First, great video. Clear voice-over, simple camera angles, and very informative. Second, in my opinion people should start calling out the predatory companies like the one that tried to charge you triple of what another store charged you. Hell, mention them both so local folks know where to shop and where to avoid.
Clearview cyclones are great. I have had one for about 15 years. Best tool in the shop. One addition, be sure to add a magnet to your floor sweep pickup. You do not want metal parts sparking in a dust cloud. Good ideas here, thanks!
I've given a lot of thought recently to updating the layout of my shop, including the addition of better dust collection. I have the Dust Right 650 wall-mounted with just the 4" expandable hose that I swap between tools. I'm watching this almost four years to the day you posted it, and this has given me some great ideas on a direction to take. Thank you!
mounting that quick change to the wall is brilliant. No blast gate or cap needed, it never passes air until you pull it from the wall. Great idea, and I will do the same (setting up mine over the next couple weeks).
In my experience, if you drop straight down to each tool (as in the example above), they each act as interceptor collecting bin (you've basically built a venturi port). Dust from the farthest tool can't jump that gap and ends up pooling in the adjacent tool drop. The trick is to have at least a short horizontal section at each fork, so dust heading to the collector doesn't have to jump across any down-pipes... cause it won't! A buddy of mine, who built his as shown above, has to now run around his shop, starting from the farthest tool, and open and close each gate to get the dust to hop from one tool drop to the next on the way to the collector!
I just finished building a 4" thin wall PVC system for my shop. Just using a 2hp HF collector, but it's a tiny shop and on a budget. Still feels awesome!
Great video as always. I've cut a lot of large PVC pipe on a table saw. The easiest way is to use a sled and a stop block. Push the sled and pipe into the blade and then rotate the pipe slowly with your fingers and you get a perfect 360 degree cut.
Nice job. I just finished my system... 6" main run to the center of my shop, a 6" to dual 4" y-pipe (came with my Grizzly) for sub-runs to my two main tool areas and then with blast gate controlled branches to each tool's flex hose final (4" and 2.5"). I used SDR 35 pipe and found the easiest way to cut it by drilling a small hole and using a jigsaw. SDR 35 pipe and fittings are so much cheaper than schedule 40... about half the cost. My system works great... Grizzly G0944 with an Oneida Super Dust Deputy XL (6" inlet/outlet), wall mounted with easy to remove bin under the Oneida.
Really nice install, and great shop layout -- wish I had that much space. I built a 4" system last year (my vacuum could never handle 6" ducting), and, all the parts came from Rockler as well (I'm lucky to have one just a few miles away). I did find one issue with the 4" plastic blast gates, that you may or may not run into with the 6" version. On the gates that service the more heavily used equipment (table saw, universal port, chop saw) the dust would collect in the groove that the gate slides into. After a while the gate wouldn't close completely, and suction would suffer, so I'd be constantly cleaning out those grooves with a screwdriver, or awl... Finally, I replaced the plastic gates with metal, self-cleaning blast gates from Lee Valley. Pricier, but worth it to me. No more issues. Anyway, great video... enjoy the new system.
Ah man this is a great install I’ve been putting mine in to my basement shop with low ceilings. It would be so nice to have this much headspace for routing pipes! Thanks for your show!
I just came across your channel. I love it! I'm taking one end of one of the buildings of the dairy farm I recently bought and turning it into my woodworking shop, 36' x 36'. (A guy needs a get-away.) I have questioned my dust collection from day one. I think you just answered it. Great job. I look forward to your content.
I enjoyed this video. Well executed, no waste of time and you actually showed the results with each of your machines. I appreciate that. I am trying to figure out how to set up a dust collection system in a new shop I am having built. It's a 50x60 workshop and my first project is dust collection. This video will help me with that project. Thank you for posting and you have earned another subscriber.
We live in a world with instant messages, we watch instructions seconds on our computers from across the globe.. But dust collection.. We still live in the stone age here in Sweden with our shopvacs and the old hose-impeller bag/filter bag.. Showed my cyclone for a 2" pipe to my dad and he couldnt belive his eyes.. It was like magic..
Great job love the way you made the brackets it's like having a giant wet vac for the whole shop. Being that saw dust is flammable I would look into some fire prevention system just in case. Love you're shop.
Great video. I just built my own 810sqft shop for woodworking. I started with a cyclone dust collection for my shop vac. So so results. I have been think about a more polished functional dust collection system and your video has me inspired. Love the wooden brackets over metal strapping. Keep the videos coming. Subscribed.
Great build. I worked in a dry food plant, we had metal vacuum system from Hoffman, went to PVC system then back to metal.The biggest problem was static electricity, we solved that with sheet metal screws into the vacuum stream, then attached to copper wire & grounded on conduit or metal poles. The PVC pipe got holes in it much sooner the metal pipe, that the reason we went back to metal. That may not be a problem for you, because we had truck load of salt & sand like waste that cut/ground though the pipe. You have saw dust & wood chips, but I wanted to make you aware of the potential problems. I have never worked in a wood shop with PVC systems, all I worked in had no vacuum system or they had all metal. I am building a small shop for a friend on his farm & we will look at Rockler when we do.
It's Feb 2021 and I've been dealing with shortages of just about everything. I checked over a half dozen local plumbing pipe distributors and no one had 6" thin wall PVC. I finally found SDR 35 at a yard specializing in sewer and drain, mostly used for road construction. They had a great price too.
I know you said your router table already had great DC, but you can make it even better by using an insert with a bigger hole. It won't affect the safety unless your working with really small wood
12:31 The silicone tape is the real hero here and looks like it came in handy.....quite handy indeed. Fantastic for re attachment of.. separate tissues. Its properties make it effortless due to the unique way in which it adheres to the human cells. Not only is it effective and inexpensive but its also sexy. The air cleaner was great too. Thank.
I am so envious of your shop and this dust collection. Though I couldnt use it myself (handicapped), I know that I would if I could AND I know you are going to be very happy with it. Enjoy the extra time woodworking instead of raw cleaning!
Hello my friend. One of the most important systems of the workshops is dust collection. Dust and shavings are also a big problem in my workshop. Improving the dust collection system will create a comfortable workspace for you. Thank you for the system and information. Congratulations. Good ideas. Thank you for sharing. Warm hug. Great greetings....
Nice job. My old system used the thin wall 4” PVC pipe but I never figured the 6” would be so effective. It must be a volume thing 🧐 I’m with Katz Man…love that tape!
To elevate the static buildup on the PVC, Buy a roll of #18 stranded bare wire and tie one end onto a tennis ball start your dust collection up then feed the tennis ball into the farthest end of your system and feed the wire as the ball travels through the system. When it come out the end at your collector tie the wire off to ground. this will drain off the static and keep your shop safe from fire.
Your dust collection system is ideal bro. Crafted workshops recent dust collection setup is completely laughable. He spent money everywhere he could (took sponsorship) and had so many ceiling drops with expandable hose that it looked like a Slinky action zone. Yours is clean looking and it seems to work good.
Awesome video! Ive got my dust collector plumbed with the same pvc material, I’ve ran into a little problem with static electricity building up on the pipe. I was worried about how this could possibly be a fire hazard so I thought I’d try to remedy it by drilling a small hole (3/16) or so every 8’ and installing a ground wire into the inside of the pipe about an inch or so. I then silicone the hole shut and run the other end of the wire to a grounded surface (I used metal conduit for my shop wiring so I grounded to that... works perfectly. Thanks again for all the great videos
Great video ! Six inch is the way to go. Original dust collector also works great with 6 inch pipes. Plumbing supply in Belleville Ontario Canada selling one 4" by 6" reducer for $56 Canadian . Using 10 ft flexible until I can source reasonable prices on earth.
if you place some small casters upside down on either side of the cut and pipe, then you can create a roller for the pipe to roll on as you cut the pipe on the saw. Makes easy work out of that .
Nice system and not sure if anyone mentioned this, but when you use PVC for dust collection, you should ground the PVC, PVC is very prone to generating a static charge when air is moving along the inside of it, along with charged particles of wood and other debris. This static can build-up to the point where it arcs to ground unexpectedly. With the right combination of materials and oxygen levels, this can cause a dust fire or an explosion to occur.
@@chrisjohnson6482 I can confirm this is not urban legend. I do not know about USA but I have personally spoken to the electrical certification person that was part of explosion investigation. MDF dust especially is a problem. Small shops like this might get away with this but anything bigger like a 5 person shop will generate enough of static to be a potential problem. Ground it or use spiro metal tubing and groud that. I personally would use the adaptors reducers traps and go with metal spiro tubing. easy to ground no shocks fire proof.
@@majstrujeme8352 hard to say what the causing factors were in that anecdotal third party telling of a tale. You cannot ground pvc even if you wanted to. And there would need to be a concentration of fine dust that is so thick you cannot see through it for it to be dense enough to combust. Plus again there are zero reported proven cases of it ever happening. That you heard about something like it happening maybe once doesn't concretely prove anything Then again, I am not here to tell you what to do in your own shop. If you want to wrap wire around your pvc and pretend you are "grounding" it be my guest
@@chrisjohnson6482 I would use metal round duct pipe and you are mistaking sawdust for MDF particles. It is not anecdotal. The plan is to test again in lab and possibly classify wood shops processing MDF as explosive area for electrical wiring. Because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's not real. I am perfectly aware that grounding PVC pipe does nothing. Unless you would completely wrap it in aluminum foil. I am not wood worker I am electrician that was at the electrical wiring safety board recert.
@@majstrujeme8352 I meant any fine dust particles. Again there have been zero substantiated cases. But you should still feel free to do whatever you want to do
If you want to supercharge your system, make an outside dump for your exhaust air. I did it for my 3hp cyclone system, and used 8" pipe to make an outside dump. Built it like a dryer vent, so it doesn't leak rain in, and made a 8" blast gate so I can use the filter on really cold or really hot days. Doubles your air flow when you don't use the filter. And only time it puts dust outside is if you run your barrel over. Puts that really fine dust outside so you don't have to breathe it.
Dude, you had a little General dust collector. Haha. It’s to bad they when out of business. They use to be the go to for us north of the boarder. What a HUGE upgrade. Looks great.
Looks like it all turned out fantastic. I was watching to the end to see if you would have enough velocity with 6" drops but you have enough cfm that it worked out great. For others adding piping like this make sure the piping is sized for the cfm, for dust collection you need enough velocity to keep the dust and chips airborne and not have them drop out and start clogging the duct. The length of the duct along with every turn and the amount of vertical rise all reduce system capacity so calculate before shelling out for parts!
Nice looking system. Only issues I have is those gates. They are prone to collecting dust and chips and will sooner or later block up making the gate not shut correctly. Also static is a big thing to think about.
Very nice. But would it be easier to either have a portable collection system or on flexible hose that hooks up to the machines? I'm looking at a collection system myself. This is more extensive than what I would need
That’s what my old system was. It’s definitely a good entry point, but after a while it’s cumbersome. This is my upgrade and I don’t even have to think about it now. Never had a clog
That cyclone system is very nice! I had the same issue on my sander, I just have a 4" blast gate that rests on top of the dust port and it collects pretty much all the dust.
@@MichaelAlm have you guys seen Colin Knecht's (WoodWorkWeb) dust collection upgrade for the oscillating spindle/belt sander? ua-cam.com/video/Kes9AHLX96M/v-deo.html
Michael, Well done!! I know this is just minutia, but you did a good job using good grammar. No one pays attention to that any more, but you do....thank you. Also, I liked your background music, not heavy metal, or rock. I want to pay attention to what you are doing and saying without distracting background music...thank you. Thanks for the details. :-)
Nice work, it looks super; I got the clearvue max with 8" outlet, I couldn't be happier, that thing works just like the 30K big monster I use to have outside of one of my past shops; people chime in about the static, there might be some truth to it, I never had an issue, one time my guys forgot to empty the drum and it backed up into the filter it was that much stuff in it, never burst into flames or exploded like some claim it might, I did pay the 1000+ for all the piping with thicker walls, I had the experience in my other setups to have the thin wall vibrate somewhat so I went with the thicker material, pretty pricy, especially once you climb to 8" diameter in pipe and some elbows until you drop to 6" and 4"; I also caged my cyclone for noise purpose, very minimal noise to deal with; I got quite a lot of stuff attached to it, the favorite is my back to back 5Hp rip saw and 3Hp dedicated dado station, both sawstop units, I love those things, I was a powermatic diehard for a long time, still have a bunch of them but the saws, switched to sawstop saws, piece of mind for me when I have my guys working on them, not the the rest of the tools are not as dangerous, I guess is just a mental thing. Congratulation on your setup, very nicely done. Dan
Great system. I wish I had the room for such a tall unit. I found for my bandsaw and drill press flexible drain pipe is great for getting the dust on the surface. I actually got one in silver instead of white for $5.00 on eBay. I made some homemade clamps to hold it in place and on the end that is closest to the workpiece is a small rectangle port that actually came with a vacuum cleaner. They do sell them though at Rockler if that is your go-to place.
So i see a lot of guys using the green sewer and drain pipe, i would prefer the all white look also if it’s doable. Do you have any disadvantages from using the thinner walled pipe ?
Congratulations Michael. It looks great. I'm not going to preach on grounding since many others have. I have three comments. First, were 90 degree sweep elbows available? They would have been better. Second, Rockler has a dust chute for the router table when cutting dadoes. Third, it would have been easier to glue the boards together before cutting when making the supports. Thanks for indulging me.
no decent search function here so maybe already answered, but what did you do for the static electricity? I've seen copper wire wrapped around the pvc or even run through the ducting and then into a ground. Thoughts?
Great video. One question, why is it that many people use these larger pipes or hoses for their system? Wouldn't a smaller diameter increase suction power? Thanks.
It makes it look like you have a little shop for your dust collection system, all you see is the huge pvc tubing, not there's anything wrong with that, it was just my first impression when I saw the picture of your shop......wow, that's a lot of huge pvc pipe.
Had to watch again! What kind of pipe did you use? DWV? All I heard was “thin wall”. I would also love to learn more about how the motor was rigged for the lift. Thanks again!
Awesome set up, was curious as to how you'd secure the pipes to each other, but I tend to think of water lines when using PVC. My question on this setup is what will you do with the collected saw dust? just get rid of it? or is there some way to reuse it? Thanks
First, great video. Clear voice-over, simple camera angles, and very informative. Second, in my opinion people should start calling out the predatory companies like the one that tried to charge you triple of what another store charged you. Hell, mention them both so local folks know where to shop and where to avoid.
Clearview cyclones are great. I have had one for about 15 years. Best tool in the shop. One addition, be sure to add a magnet to your floor sweep pickup. You do not want metal parts sparking in a dust cloud. Good ideas here, thanks!
I've given a lot of thought recently to updating the layout of my shop, including the addition of better dust collection. I have the Dust Right 650 wall-mounted with just the 4" expandable hose that I swap between tools. I'm watching this almost four years to the day you posted it, and this has given me some great ideas on a direction to take. Thank you!
mounting that quick change to the wall is brilliant. No blast gate or cap needed, it never passes air until you pull it from the wall. Great idea, and I will do the same (setting up mine over the next couple weeks).
In my experience, if you drop straight down to each tool (as in the example above), they each act as interceptor collecting bin (you've basically built a venturi port). Dust from the farthest tool can't jump that gap and ends up pooling in the adjacent tool drop. The trick is to have at least a short horizontal section at each fork, so dust heading to the collector doesn't have to jump across any down-pipes... cause it won't! A buddy of mine, who built his as shown above, has to now run around his shop, starting from the farthest tool, and open and close each gate to get the dust to hop from one tool drop to the next on the way to the collector!
I just finished building a 4" thin wall PVC system for my shop. Just using a 2hp HF collector, but it's a tiny shop and on a budget. Still feels awesome!
Great video as always.
I've cut a lot of large PVC pipe on a table saw. The easiest way is to use a sled and a stop block. Push the sled and pipe into the blade and then rotate the pipe slowly with your fingers and you get a perfect 360 degree cut.
Having grown up pushing boards through table-saws with scraps, that little board pusher you have there is pretty neat.
Nice job. I just finished my system... 6" main run to the center of my shop, a 6" to dual 4" y-pipe (came with my Grizzly) for sub-runs to my two main tool areas and then with blast gate controlled branches to each tool's flex hose final (4" and 2.5"). I used SDR 35 pipe and found the easiest way to cut it by drilling a small hole and using a jigsaw. SDR 35 pipe and fittings are so much cheaper than schedule 40... about half the cost. My system works great... Grizzly G0944 with an Oneida Super Dust Deputy XL (6" inlet/outlet), wall mounted with easy to remove bin under the Oneida.
Really nice install, and great shop layout -- wish I had that much space. I built a 4" system last year (my vacuum could never handle 6" ducting), and, all the parts came from Rockler as well (I'm lucky to have one just a few miles away).
I did find one issue with the 4" plastic blast gates, that you may or may not run into with the 6" version. On the gates that service the more heavily used equipment (table saw, universal port, chop saw) the dust would collect in the groove that the gate slides into. After a while the gate wouldn't close completely, and suction would suffer, so I'd be constantly cleaning out those grooves with a screwdriver, or awl... Finally, I replaced the plastic gates with metal, self-cleaning blast gates from Lee Valley. Pricier, but worth it to me. No more issues.
Anyway, great video... enjoy the new system.
Ah man this is a great install I’ve been putting mine in to my basement shop with low ceilings. It would be so nice to have this much headspace for routing pipes!
Thanks for your show!
I just came across your channel. I love it! I'm taking one end of one of the buildings of the dairy farm I recently bought and turning it into my woodworking shop, 36' x 36'. (A guy needs a get-away.) I have questioned my dust collection from day one. I think you just answered it. Great job. I look forward to your content.
I enjoyed this video. Well executed, no waste of time and you actually showed the results with each of your machines. I appreciate that. I am trying to figure out how to set up a dust collection system in a new shop I am having built. It's a 50x60 workshop and my first project is dust collection. This video will help me with that project. Thank you for posting and you have earned another subscriber.
We live in a world with instant messages, we watch instructions seconds on our computers from across the globe.. But dust collection.. We still live in the stone age here in Sweden with our shopvacs and the old hose-impeller bag/filter bag.. Showed my cyclone for a 2" pipe to my dad and he couldnt belive his eyes.. It was like magic..
Great job love the way you made the brackets it's like having a giant wet vac for the whole shop. Being that saw dust is flammable I would look into some fire prevention system just in case. Love you're shop.
Great video. I just built my own 810sqft shop for woodworking. I started with a cyclone dust collection for my shop vac. So so results. I have been think about a more polished functional dust collection system and your video has me inspired. Love the wooden brackets over metal strapping. Keep the videos coming. Subscribed.
Not sure what is about this video but its so clean, precise and clear information. Very effecient! Thank you, a project I need to tackle👍🏻
Great build.
I worked in a dry food plant, we had metal vacuum system from Hoffman, went to PVC system then back to metal.The biggest problem was static electricity, we solved that with sheet metal screws into the vacuum stream, then attached to copper wire & grounded on conduit or metal poles. The PVC pipe got holes in it much sooner the metal pipe, that the reason we went back to metal. That may not be a problem for you, because we had truck load of salt & sand like waste that cut/ground though the pipe. You have saw dust & wood chips, but I wanted to make you aware of the potential problems. I have never worked in a wood shop with PVC systems, all I worked in had no vacuum system or they had all metal. I am building a small shop for a friend on his farm & we will look at Rockler when we do.
It's Feb 2021 and I've been dealing with shortages of just about everything. I checked over a half dozen local plumbing pipe distributors and no one had 6" thin wall PVC. I finally found SDR 35 at a yard specializing in sewer and drain, mostly used for road construction. They had a great price too.
Great video bud. I wish I had known about that silicon tape when I did mine.
Thanks dude! Yeah that was a tip from someone on instagram, and he told me just in time. I really didn't want to foil tape it. See you at WBC?
@@MichaelAlm yeah. Come to my talk!
same
@@katzmosestools If only we knew then, what we know now... I'm guessing the conference didn't happen?
Great job buddy, not seen to many 6” main track too often....looks awesome too..😎
I know you said your router table already had great DC, but you can make it even better by using an insert with a bigger hole. It won't affect the safety unless your working with really small wood
@Yo MamaWhy is that incorrect?
Don’t know how you don’t have more subscribers. This video was a great watch!
New woodworker here.... definitely taking notes!! Nice work! Thanks for all the content!
12:31 The silicone tape is the real hero here and looks like it came in handy.....quite handy indeed. Fantastic for re attachment of.. separate tissues. Its properties make it effortless due to the unique way in which it adheres to the human cells. Not only is it effective and inexpensive but its also sexy. The air cleaner was great too. Thank.
I am so envious of your shop and this dust collection. Though I couldnt use it myself (handicapped), I know that I would if I could AND I know you are going to be very happy with it. Enjoy the extra time woodworking instead of raw cleaning!
Really awesome system, really satisfying to watch it come together and work. I can't wait to have something like this in my factory one day
Very satisfying to watch...
I think things getting cleaned is also satisfying to watch :)
"Leave it cleaner than you found it".
Hello my friend. One of the most important systems of the workshops is dust collection. Dust and shavings are also a big problem in my workshop. Improving the dust collection system will create a comfortable workspace for you. Thank you for the system and information. Congratulations. Good ideas. Thank you for sharing. Warm hug. Great greetings....
Your an artist/craftsman with everything you do.
Cool system have a feeling this would work great in my shop.... start saving now...
impressed by the system. i am gone make it soon to my workshop. thanks for idea.
Just installed my CV1800 over the weekend. Great unit
Nice job. My old system used the thin wall 4” PVC pipe but I never figured the 6” would be so effective. It must be a volume thing 🧐
I’m with Katz Man…love that tape!
Michael Alm you lucky mo 😀👍👍👍🍻 Awesome workshop and video you have made!!
Real nice review and video my friend! Thanks for sharing. BTW, great looking setup for that dust collector too!
To elevate the static buildup on the PVC, Buy a roll of #18 stranded bare wire and tie one end onto a tennis ball start your dust collection up then feed the tennis ball into the farthest end of your system and feed the wire as the ball travels through the system. When it come out the end at your collector tie the wire off to ground. this will drain off the static and keep your shop safe from fire.
Fantastic video and great timing as we’re tackling dust collection in my shop this weekend!!
Awesome! Good luck!!
That is looking slick! Using the silicone tape for the seams is such a good idea. It looks so clean!
Thanks Sharon! Yeah that stuff is pretty perfect. I really didn’t want to cover the pipes in foil tape 😬
Your dust collection system is ideal bro. Crafted workshops recent dust collection setup is completely laughable. He spent money everywhere he could (took sponsorship) and had so many ceiling drops with expandable hose that it looked like a Slinky action zone. Yours is clean looking and it seems to work good.
Sweet System and Install ! What a huge improvement nice work om all the Custom brackets
Awesome video! Ive got my dust collector plumbed with the same pvc material, I’ve ran into a little problem with static electricity building up on the pipe.
I was worried about how this could possibly be a fire hazard so I thought I’d try to remedy it by drilling a small hole (3/16) or so every 8’ and installing a ground wire into the inside of the pipe about an inch or so. I then silicone the hole shut and run the other end of the wire to a grounded surface (I used metal conduit for my shop wiring so I grounded to that... works perfectly. Thanks again for all the great videos
Hows your dust build from your static electricity remedy?
Great video ! Six inch is the way to go.
Original dust collector also works great with 6 inch pipes.
Plumbing supply in Belleville Ontario Canada selling one 4" by 6" reducer for $56 Canadian .
Using 10 ft flexible until I can source reasonable prices on earth.
Bravo!....looks great!...love that floor collector
if you place some small casters upside down on either side of the cut and pipe, then you can create a roller for the pipe to roll on as you cut the pipe on the saw. Makes easy work out of that .
very nice install. rollin easy is hard to beat.
WOW....what an awesome video. I'm impressed....and I seriously appreciate your time and information.
Nice system and not sure if anyone mentioned this, but when you use PVC for dust collection, you should ground the PVC, PVC is very prone to generating a static charge when air is moving along the inside of it, along with charged particles of wood and other debris. This static can build-up to the point where it arcs to ground unexpectedly. With the right combination of materials and oxygen levels, this can cause a dust fire or an explosion to occur.
There are zero reported cases of this ever happening. This is an urban legend. At most you get a little shock when you touch the pipe.
@@chrisjohnson6482 I can confirm this is not urban legend. I do not know about USA but I have personally spoken to the electrical certification person that was part of explosion investigation. MDF dust especially is a problem. Small shops like this might get away with this but anything bigger like a 5 person shop will generate enough of static to be a potential problem. Ground it or use spiro metal tubing and groud that. I personally would use the adaptors reducers traps and go with metal spiro tubing. easy to ground no shocks fire proof.
@@majstrujeme8352 hard to say what the causing factors were in that anecdotal third party telling of a tale. You cannot ground pvc even if you wanted to. And there would need to be a concentration of fine dust that is so thick you cannot see through it for it to be dense enough to combust. Plus again there are zero reported proven cases of it ever happening. That you heard about something like it happening maybe once doesn't concretely prove anything
Then again, I am not here to tell you what to do in your own shop. If you want to wrap wire around your pvc and pretend you are "grounding" it be my guest
@@chrisjohnson6482 I would use metal round duct pipe and you are mistaking sawdust for MDF particles. It is not anecdotal. The plan is to test again in lab and possibly classify wood shops processing MDF as explosive area for electrical wiring. Because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's not real. I am perfectly aware that grounding PVC pipe does nothing. Unless you would completely wrap it in aluminum foil. I am not wood worker I am electrician that was at the electrical wiring safety board recert.
@@majstrujeme8352 I meant any fine dust particles. Again there have been zero substantiated cases. But you should still feel free to do whatever you want to do
If you want to supercharge your system, make an outside dump for your exhaust air. I did it for my 3hp cyclone system, and used 8" pipe to make an outside dump. Built it like a dryer vent, so it doesn't leak rain in, and made a 8" blast gate so I can use the filter on really cold or really hot days. Doubles your air flow when you don't use the filter. And only time it puts dust outside is if you run your barrel over. Puts that really fine dust outside so you don't have to breathe it.
Very impressive installation and great job running that pipe.
I dont have plans for dust collection but this was pretty cool to see. Nice job on the video bud. I dig the VO
Thanks dude!
What about the static build up in the PVC piping? With metal piping, you can have grounding spots to arrest any ignition.
That looks absolutely amazing
Dude, you had a little General dust collector. Haha. It’s to bad they when out of business. They use to be the go to for us north of the boarder. What a HUGE upgrade. Looks great.
I was curious what happened to General. I haven’t seen the brand for a bit, so that makes sense. Thanks dude! See you at WBC 🙌
Michael Alm For sure! See you in less than a month! It’s coming up quickly
This was so amazing and satisfying to watch
This is very clean and seems to have plenty of power.
Are you concerned about static discharge?
I find that an oscillating tool cuts through the PVC very nicely. I don't like cutting round things on my saw.
Looks like it all turned out fantastic. I was watching to the end to see if you would have enough velocity with 6" drops but you have enough cfm that it worked out great. For others adding piping like this make sure the piping is sized for the cfm, for dust collection you need enough velocity to keep the dust and chips airborne and not have them drop out and start clogging the duct. The length of the duct along with every turn and the amount of vertical rise all reduce system capacity so calculate before shelling out for parts!
Yeah, I followed the suggestions from ClearVue an I seemed to be well within spec, but this is very good advice. Thanks!
The ClearVue system uses the larger 5Hp motor and 15" or 16" impeller. This is all based on the research that Bill Pentz has done over the years.
Nice looking system. Only issues I have is those gates. They are prone to collecting dust and chips and will sooner or later block up making the gate not shut correctly.
Also static is a big thing to think about.
Very nice. But would it be easier to either have a portable collection system or on flexible hose that hooks up to the machines?
I'm looking at a collection system myself. This is more extensive than what I would need
That’s what my old system was. It’s definitely a good entry point, but after a while it’s cumbersome. This is my upgrade and I don’t even have to think about it now. Never had a clog
tip i seen for the floor sweep is to add a large neo magnet to the front to catch any hardware that might be on the floor
Excellent video and great ideas many of which I will use for my shop vacuum system!
Would you mind sharing how that silicon tape has held up the last four years? I’m wondering if the dust has eventually caused gaps in the system.
DIY upgrade for sander could be a hood to help with dust directional control
Congrats! It's awesome Michael!
Can I use this for wedding dusty collection
Nicely done Michael 👍 Very functional too 😃
Excellent video and process. You must love it when a plan comes together. Thanks for sharing. I will add this project to my wish list.
I like the brackets you made much more then the ghetto nylon strapping I used with my clearvue ducting
Nice only you need to make ground kabels on the pipe's to prefents static explosions
That cyclone system is very nice! I had the same issue on my sander, I just have a 4" blast gate that rests on top of the dust port and it collects pretty much all the dust.
Thanks! Good to know! I’m going to have to do that
@@MichaelAlm have you guys seen Colin Knecht's (WoodWorkWeb) dust collection upgrade for the oscillating spindle/belt sander?
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Michael, Well done!! I know this is just minutia, but you did a good job using good grammar. No one pays attention to that any more, but you do....thank you. Also, I liked your background music, not heavy metal, or rock. I want to pay attention to what you are doing and saying without distracting background music...thank you. Thanks for the details. :-)
Very nice shop you have there.
Nice work, it looks super; I got the clearvue max with 8" outlet, I couldn't be happier, that thing works just like the 30K big monster I use to have outside of one of my past shops; people chime in about the static, there might be some truth to it, I never had an issue, one time my guys forgot to empty the drum and it backed up into the filter it was that much stuff in it, never burst into flames or exploded like some claim it might, I did pay the 1000+ for all the piping with thicker walls, I had the experience in my other setups to have the thin wall vibrate somewhat so I went with the thicker material, pretty pricy, especially once you climb to 8" diameter in pipe and some elbows until you drop to 6" and 4";
I also caged my cyclone for noise purpose, very minimal noise to deal with;
I got quite a lot of stuff attached to it, the favorite is my back to back 5Hp rip saw and 3Hp dedicated dado station, both sawstop units, I love those things, I was a powermatic diehard for a long time, still have a bunch of them but the saws, switched to sawstop saws, piece of mind for me when I have my guys working on them, not the the rest of the tools are not as dangerous, I guess is just a mental thing.
Congratulation on your setup, very nicely done.
Dan
Thanks Dan! Sounds like a heck of a setup you have!!
@@MichaelAlm you are correct my friend, and wouldn't give it for nothing in the world, lol.
Looks so amazing and love the sweeping port
Yes, the sweeping port is the slickest part of the system, IMO.
Great system. I wish I had the room for such a tall unit. I found for my bandsaw and drill press flexible drain pipe is great for getting the dust on the surface. I actually got one in silver instead of white for $5.00 on eBay. I made some homemade clamps to hold it in place and on the end that is closest to the workpiece is a small rectangle port that actually came with a vacuum cleaner. They do sell them though at Rockler if that is your go-to place.
So no metal wiring in the duct to keep static from igniting the fine dust? Or do you think there is not enough dust to worry about?
So i see a lot of guys using the green sewer and drain pipe, i would prefer the all white look also if it’s doable. Do you have any disadvantages from using the thinner walled pipe ?
I think a lot of people use the green pipe because it's cheeper in some areas. The white pipe was cheeper here. I haven't had any issues with it.
Nice system and setup.
Congratulations Michael. It looks great. I'm not going to preach on grounding since many others have. I have three comments. First, were 90 degree sweep elbows available? They would have been better. Second, Rockler has a dust chute for the router table when cutting dadoes. Third, it would have been easier to glue the boards together before cutting when making the supports. Thanks for indulging me.
and how would you propose separating the plywood once they're all cut out?
@@bs838 Only glue two groups of two together and leave the middle unglued. That way groups of two will be cut out.
Great narrative on your installation. 👍🏻👍🏻
no decent search function here so maybe already answered, but what did you do for the static electricity? I've seen copper wire wrapped around the pvc or even run through the ducting and then into a ground. Thoughts?
Outstanding video. Very informative. Thank you.
Great video. One question, why is it that many people use these larger pipes or hoses for their system? Wouldn't a smaller diameter increase suction power? Thanks.
it's time for me to upgrade my dust collection too!
That's a great setup. The shop is looking great!
Thank you!
It makes it look like you have a little shop for your dust collection system, all you see is the huge pvc tubing, not there's anything wrong with that, it was just my first impression when I saw the picture of your shop......wow, that's a lot of huge pvc pipe.
Don't think I didn't see you use your drill battery for a hammer. That's a big no no, only I am allowed to do that. Very Nice Video!
Funny!!! Me too...
Excellent job. Work great and look awesome!
Nice system.
If wood working doesn't pan out, u can always get a job as a plumber. :)
Did you ground piping and How did you ground piping?
I’m worried about static. In your vid you didn’t mention ground it etc. Can you explain how you did ?
Magnificent, BRAVO CLAP CLAP CLAP!!! good work mate. Im building mine now
Had to watch again! What kind of pipe did you use? DWV? All I heard was “thin wall”.
I would also love to learn more about how the motor was rigged for the lift.
Thanks again!
Excellent, if you need to move your machines you might look at Magports for quick connections also!
Hadn’t heard of those! They’re really cool
Can you give details of the on off receiver and switch you are using please
The sound of the fan is satisfying XD
I need to d something like this, but with a smaller machine. Why 6 inch mains instead of 4? Thanks.
Awesome set up, was curious as to how you'd secure the pipes to each other, but I tend to think of water lines when using PVC. My question on this setup is what will you do with the collected saw dust? just get rid of it? or is there some way to reuse it? Thanks
Chuck it in a bucket of resin and make more stuff