The Norse Underworld with
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2022
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Start, thank you Tom for having the exciting discussion. Not just for Tom, but everyone else, I hope your Solstice was wonderful and if you celebrate Christmas, the same! Check out Survive the Jive's channel and related video's in the links bellow. Thank to Everyone that chimes in, Yule all rock!
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Hel (Old Norse: [ˈhel]) is a female being in Norse mythology who is said to preside over an underworld realm of the same name, where she receives a portion of the dead. Hel is attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century. In addition, she is mentioned in poems recorded in Heimskringla and Egils saga that date from the 9th and 10th centuries, respectively. An episode in the Latin work Gesta Danorum, written in the 12th century by Saxo Grammaticus, is generally considered to refer to Hel, and Hel may appear on various Migration Period bracteates.
Happy to see Survive the Jive over here on your channel! I've been watching him for years!
Tom has a habit of coming out with ridiculous theories quite often. Slow worms do not live in the soil and do not appear when you dig the earth. They are very rare and live like other lizards, under rocks etc and bathe in the sun.
@@richardcook2970 actually, you’re wrong. Slow worms do nest and burrow underground, especially during times of intense heat and during hibernation. They do not just hide under shelters or in compost heaps such as is often stated. Where there is no human interference to their habitat, they will burrow underground in groups and have been found to take nesting material with them.
Here in the UK, they are probably our most common lizard related reptile and are not that rare at all.
@@ce.d8333 ok, maybe I live in the wrong part of England.
Big thanks to the Yule Father for putting this under the tree.
Soooooooooo stoked you and Jive have joined forces here! Together, we are stronger : )
Good to see you chatting to Survive the Jive. Followed him for ages. Good to see 2 of my favourite pagan channels chatting together.
The crossover we needed
The crossover we've been waiting for
My two favorite channels! This is awesome. Thanks!
love seeing my two favorite channels link up like this!
Full support from Indo aryans with Vedic heritage
Great talking to you both!
Regret that i neglected to mention many other rivers of hell are in fact named by Snorri
What a collaboration 👌🏻
Instant thumbs up 👍
Hello Thor & Tom and thanks for this very interesting video podcast.
I´m amazed of the amount of cultural and mythological amnesia the Christian religion heritage has led to. Even simple ancient astronomic, cosmologic, and cosmogonic facts and descriptions have been suppressed into oblivious in our cultural minds.
Once upon a time, our ancestors had a very precise cosmogonical and cosmological description of their entire world perception and of “all things connected”, inclusive the life and death cycle of humans.
No matter how “childish” the Norse Ask Yggdrasil is depicted, it contains a factual scientific description of the Earth, (Midgaard) and the realms above and under the Earth, Asgaard, representing the day- and nighttime celestial scenarios, and Utgaard, representing the Milky Way and its contours which participates specifically in the very similar cultural Stories of Creation.
This Ask Yggdrasil tree is the physical observable “Tree of Life” in the biblical term, and it is rooted according to the Earth´s rotational axis with its top on the northern hemisphere and its roots on the southern “underworld” hemisphere, having a variety of starry constellation images connected to this tree.
Again, in the biblical term, we also have the Tree of Knowledge which only can be observed physically on the southern, for us “underworld hemisphere” - or visited spiritually by meditation or in personal vision quests.
This Tree of Knowledge-realm is mythically symbolized, depicted, and made as a Mound with a chamber on tribal locations, but its cosmogonical and mythical meaning is connected to the Milky Way and its whirling/spiraling (snake-like) center, in where this tree is located in the Sagittarius Constellation.
This center is also mythically called the “Cosmic Womb”, connected to the great cosmic Mother Goddess, who represent the southern hemisphere Milky Way contours, and to the cyclical telling of life and death.
BTW: The entire Milky Way band around the Earth constitutes the Midgaard Serpent Jörmungandr, encircling the entire Midgaard/Earth, observable on the night Sky on the darker seasons, and the mythical ship is also connected to the Milky Way contours on both hemispheres with each it´s ships.
More BTW: The so called ancient Sun-Wheel symbol is really a Polar Wheel.
OK, I have lots of information and illustrations here: Google: native-science (dot) net as UA-cam hates linking, even the most relevant ones. I can be personally contacted from this site too.
Regards
Ivor Nelsson
Legendary combo
Tuonela is what we call the place of the dead in finnish mythology/folklore(Kalevala) and you get there by boat as well but it is steered by a specific person i assume its some type of " grim reaper" aiding you on the journey to the realm of the dead. Apparently shamans were able to get to Tuonela to learn new spells and gain some very important knowledge.
It's a Yule miracle :))
Yule season, yes! But Yule starts on the full moon of Jan 6th this year and goes for 3 days. I hope you know this. It seems most practicing Heathens have no idea when Yule is, and somehow believe the Solstice or Christmas is/was Yule. Yule was never in December. That is a Christian thing only when they stole our holiday as an effort to convert the "pagans." Yule is always in Jan or Feb depending on the full moon after the new moon after the Solstice, per the source material and historical records. Spread the word to our fellow Heathens and Pagans! We need to end the Abrahamic influence that has poisoned our ancestors and People and Tribes for thousands of years.
@@HroduuulfSonOfHrodger I did not know this, thank you for the information:)
This guy needs more viewers
Fuck yea, thank the gods for this video!!!!!
Ths made me happier to see the 2 of you on the same video than my xmas present of santa claus boxer shorts
Jive lead me here a few months ago.... snoogins... cheers happy holidays gods bless
You two together discussing this stuff is all I wanted for Christmas. My two favorite pagan youtubers joining forces. Let the bullshit give way, these two legends are teaming up
Ok don't get all gay about it.
This was great! Thanks you guys!
May the Sky Gods bless you All
I Love STJ thank you for making this
Great little interview!
Wearing Hel's shoes to get to valhøl sounds a lot like we all go to Hel first before we travel to the next place
thank you it was an interesting video have a nice holiday and greetings from the Netherlands
Right on, guys! Great information, and I hope to see more of you soon.
Awesome discussion thank you!
Thank you for the video and I hope you all, your families and friends have a good holiday in whatever you celebrate 🥃 Sláinte
Extremely cool
I like how they hung suspended on the roots of Yggdrasil during their trip in hel at the ritual in the temple it was a pretty cool & interesting interpretation of the underworld in northman.
Valhoul-purgatory to enter the halls where you can finally relax ? kind of like like elyisium to the Roman the journey before the peace and relaxation never experienced.
My 2 favorites.
Good! Good…
I’ve been looking forward to this 😏
Great combo interview with Survive the Jive! He referenced "Gate" access to hell. Possible more likely, "Portal Opening " access to travel to/back, and communication in shaman journey ritual.
God Jul o Gott Nytt Ar!💙❄☃️❄💙
Merry Yule 🎄 , ( sorry no yule log emogie 😅 ) . I have both 🎄 and yule winter solstice alter in my home . Love ❤️ your channel, peace and love to you.
Yule starts on the full moon of Jan 6th this year and goes for 3 days. I hope you know this. It seems most practicing Heathens have no idea when Yule is, and somehow believe the Solstice or Christmas is/was Yule. Yule was never in December. That is a Christian thing only when they stole our holiday as an effort to convert the "pagans." Yule is always in Jan or Feb depending on the full moon after the new moon after the Solstice, per the source material and historical records. Spread the word to our fellow Heathens and Pagans! We need to end the Abrahamic influence that has poisoned our ancestors and People and Tribes for thousands of years.
Cool
Great video, been a fan of STJ for years.
In Katha Upanishad a young boy around 10 is sent to the god of death who, through certain means, basically forces the god of death to teach him the true nature of reality (Brahman). When I read it I can't help but remember reading somewhere about children in Germanic and Celtic traditions going to a burial mound to obtain some kind of knowledge. I wonder if these share a similar root
I believe that the type of Helheim that you receive in the afterlife is how you lived your life on earth. I think how you treat others and how honourable the person you were plays a big part in the afterlife as well.
Fist fight between you and Tom!
Very interesting. That actually makes a lot of sense of Valhol/Valhalla. Previously I have always read or seen that Valhol does not appear until relatively late in Norse belief, even not being mentioned in the older poems in the Poetic Eda, and previously everyone went to Hel. So that seemed kind of weird that at some point they just invented this completely different place in Asgard where warriors go. How do you suddenly tag something like that onto a pre-existing cosmology? Whereas if Hel is made of “Hols”/Halls, and this is just another Hall, but it’s one where warriors go to fight and feast until they fight for Odin when Ragnarok comes, then that seems very easy to slot into the pre-existing cosmology. Which surely is how beliefs have to evolve - organically, not jarringly. Top marks.
Jotunheimar was in Siberia, on the shores of the Arctic Ocean, and near Ural mountains.
The pit, the plate, the hall & knife are reminiscent of the four horsemen of apocalypse. I love the similarities that can be found in the Bible to all the surrounding cultures. lol I can’t think of an original idea in it.
cant call up the full interview. i get a page unavailable message
The way I would've abused the use of a Barrow would've been criminal.
example:
*calling upon parents* me: Hey it's me, quick question, would you have still loved me if I was a worm?
or
me: Hey I'm fighting with bror again, we need you to settle our argument, which one of us was your favorite?
you every think about compiling all the anglo Saxon, viking, norse, germanic, druidic, slavic pegan, Celtic imagery for a slide show or to explain stories.. all the art, jewelry, weapons, of our people are so beautiful .. perspective UA-cam channel does a great art cap on the "barbarians" from anglo Saxon to Visigoths and vandals and the art and building they did in North Africa.. also stories on the scythians and yamnaya and how that those gave birth to much of into europeanism we know and their great metal work.. (( I can only imagine all the treasures the nazi America Russia and other rich people have hidden.. theirs is incredibly little on the germanic treasures and art.. and history always tried to call them barbarians but we know by viking & Celtic jewelry they had much influence from phonecians Egyptians and Etruscans
Now I'm wondering if Stonehenge is a "stone boat" of a flying ship...
if it´s anything like in
uralics the rivers should match
the main rivers of the
tribal areas (they´re like
otherworld mirrors through which
the souls travel, and shamans
too, looking for those
souls).
trees can of course be seen
in the exact same way (and
they were, just that it was
probably a different tree for
each tribe, or even person,
who wants to go to another
man´s tree).
it´s important to make that
connection to reality i think,
otherwise it´s just religious
theory.
also in uralics snakes usually
connected to the earth mother
(her main helpers (hel help?),
so it would be logical that they
might have demonized some of that
tradition (she is never the same
as death spirits though, she rules
the green parts of the earth,
the living parts).
also we have the same belief that
it gets worse the deeper it goes
(the first level is actually
completely good, it´s where the
ancestors live, or in other
accounts earth spirits or first
people turned into spirits).
of course only one of our souls
is believed to go to the ground
(or down the river, or to the moon,
so much local variety) because
we have many you know (not poor
people).
Hej ven.
Kan du lave en video om hvordan man ofrer og beder til vores guder?
Jeg er ny-konverteret (giver mere mening en protestant kristen) og kan ikke finde noget om hvordan vi skal gøre.
Godt nytår fra Danmark.
- Bjørn.
It is the dwarves that go swimming with little hairy women!!!!
Survive the Tavern stench
Wow what a dream collab!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Youll always be my favourite tho :)
The cringe pagans are gonna get mad over this
LOL! Two of them already have, and downvoted this. Probably the woke universalists who believe our gods can be anyone's gods. And we know who to thank for that. The Abrahamic poisons that invaded our lands have indoctrinated the majority to believe that any god can be the god of any person. Multiculturalism, diversity, and all that jazz. Sadly, it was this christian story created to enslave people by inventing a book that basically sounds too good to be true (and is difficult for many to debunk), and they wrote this book about a perfect person so that all new converts bow to the Gews. Go figure!
@@kevincounter6879 Yeah absolutely.
OMG! He has some good info, but good God the rambling, bouncing around, just too much to take in and effectively contemplate.
He needs to slow down and keep focused on the main subject, northern European mythology, spirituality and cosmology can be complex already. It's just some constructive advice, slow down
Who is this directed to? Thomas from STJ or Thor from NM&B? Just curious.
@@HroduuulfSonOfHrodger the guest speaker, the info was there but the delivery was fast, rather rambling and hard to follow, Norse mythology can be complex for beginners as it is, but when delivered rapid fire I think it can be off putting to people who are new to the path. My intentions were not ment to be disrespectful, just informative.
It's difficult to find people level headed with historical information since the northern European culture was so methodically buried by Christianity. My opinion of course.
Isn't he a bigot
No.
@@jollyjakelovell6822 oh okay thanks
His ideological and religious enemies paint him as such yes. They are not to be taken seriously.
Yes.
He used some imagery that sensationalists may considered ‘bad’ (just because it was co-opted by bad people not because it actually is bad). He’s clearly an amazing intelligent guy and that is just overzealous SjW persecution. Think for yourself.
I sat through an entire podcast with StJ on RedIceTV where they discussed some rather divisive content on race matters, and for that reason I cannot support StJ like I used to and I will not support those who have any aligning dialogue with this guy. Sorry mate, but like the big man himself I thought you were cool up until now.
Ok, that's a very, very vague reference. What did he say? What did you disagree with, and why? What was the "rather divisive content on race matters"?
STJ is a white nationalist and he doesn't even try hiding his ridiculously obvious dogwhistles, not to mention his winged othala rune tattoo. NMAB has been more subtle, but pandering to the same crowd for awhile now. It's obvious if you read the comments section of their followers when anything race, women, or lgbt related is the video topic. They cater to insecure white dudes who want to link themselves to a mythical past to feel superior instead of feeling miserable about their lot in life; the result is white nationalism/fascism and scapegoating everyone they see as different from them. Nothing new or original and easy to spot if you've seen it before.
@@Scar-jg4bn I've been down that route for a couple years, so I'm seeing exactly what you mean.
Edit: as in I was that miserable white guy who got pulled into the racist dogwhistle bullshit RedIce was peddling. Being in it, you end up finding out a lot about how this stuff works when you're coming out.
@@sethaniel1 glad you made it out. 😊
Survive the Jive... the smell of brownshirts is here... Big disappointment bro. Big disappointment.
Oh poppycock! Get your nose checked, sir!
That is the smell of renewal 😊
@@venomvandal5443 Blut und Boden is old sick of insecure people clinging on to a past that never was and a future that is unreal as well. You are fooling yourself, not me.
@@MrEnaric sorry who are you talking to? If I didn't know better it would seem that you're rambling to yourself like a schizophrenic.
You must eat pennies and have a Pete Rose haircut.
Tom has a habit of coming out with ridiculous theories quite often. Slow worms do not live in the soil and do not appear when you dig the earth. They are very rare and live like other lizards, under rocks etc and bathe in the sun.
It is not a theory it is a fact. They are not rare where I live and appear every time I dig up the soil in my garden. They hibernate in winter underground!
You should react to History Dose's video about Harald Hardrada it's really good , great discussion as always man.