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- Опубліковано 20 бер 2023
- Does a beloved professor have a mind for murder? "48 Hours Mystery" correspondent Richard Schlesinger reports. Watch more full episodes of "48 Hours" on Pluto TV.
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Great verdict
@@karenhouser4123 Add
#1 He was a teacher and she was a student # 2 He was a teacher and she was a student
I wasnt sure how this one was goin to turn out. I believe the worst thing he had going for him were the internet searches. His interrogation didn't help him much either. So many killers mess up by not asking how their victims died when the police inform them of the deaths. Not quite as smart as they think they are.
Anyone else addicted to these real life crime docs?? It's eating up my time but I can't stop 😶
I watch these while cleaning my house, doing the laundry, when I'm in line to pick up the kids from school, even in the background when I take a hot relaxing bath😂😂😂
@@JessicaBlaze89Same! I can't get started on the chores until I find a good episode to listen to 😂
Oh definitely
I can't sleep without watching one 😵
I’ve been addicted to true crime for absolute years! Especially serial killers. That’s all I watch. I told my husband he better never cheat on me, or God help him 😂
Narcissists always think they're the smartest person in the room. It's very satisfying when they're proved wrong.
She's the one who had an affair. Not only an affair, but wanted to take the daughter away. Not even the family had bad things to saw about him.
@@SidewaysInTraffic braindead buffoon lmao I bet you worship Andrew Tate
@@SidewaysInTraffic You do know both things can be true, right? He can be a narcissist and she cheated. Cheating happens for many reasons. Many times it’s because a spouse refuses to acknowledge and address a problem in the relationship. Humans always want to make this a black and white, one-sided problem. Marriage is way too complicated for that. You never know who people are behind closed doors.
@@SidewaysInTraffic What's your point?
@geeneebear By far, the stupidest comment I've read in a long time. Either you cheat or you don't, that's black and white. She told her parents, "Have you ever looked at someone in their eyes and felt like they're the one?" . What excuse for cheating is that lmao.
The fact that he wanted nothing to do with the child until she was leaving makes me so mad. So many parents like that, making it so much harder on the other parent and the child!
He still did not gis daughter, it was a form of control for her mother, that seems obvious to me.
Lawd have mercy you are beautiful 😍
This was filmed in 08, the production of the episode seemed biased towards the victims family. Compared to the new episodes aired
We only hear one side and it's alway skewed towards the victim.
@@Mazebarber5353 Agreed, she's still the victim and of course didn't deserve to be murdered, but she was a pretty terrible person. She had a baby her husband didn't really want and then immediately started cheating on him and decided she wanted a divorce so she could be with her New Age boyfriend from her pseudoscience cult...not really a good look.
Reminds me of my ex. That's a no. The eyes, the smile....
My ex was the first person to teach me that not everyone feels empathy or has a conscience.
Narcissists do walk this earth. HARD lesson I had to learn. They are almost not even human.
The first huge red flag.. he never even asked about Carmen’s demise.
Exactly! It could have been a car wreck or suicide but he didn't ask!
definitely
First red flag…… he wouldn’t shut his mouth.
@@phillipsmom6252 Second .. Those clothes!!
@@tessaducek5601 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I kept being late with my house chores watching this kinds of crime documentaries 😵 is it just me or most of us who are hooked? 🥴😵
You should listen to podcasts during chore time 😂 that way there's no need to watch the screen. It's a win win! 😉
@@GingerNinja1 great idea. My problem is night time when I should be sleeping. I say "one more episode" but it goes on and on.
Welcome to the club 😂
You are not alone.
You are not alone! I try and watch WHILE I’m cleaning but often find myself too riveted.
He didn't want her dead. He just wanted her "reasonable." Creepy line! He also had the creepiest eyes in all of the photos!
crazy eyes.
I thought that line was an admission of guilt. The police overlooked that statement. In his mind, Carmin was not reasonable so the logical conclusion is death
And creepy smile
The two men she chose were too creepv.
“I will never let you go, do you hear me? No matter how long it takes, I will keep you safe. And I will find a way for us to be together.”
― Wendy Ownes
I will NEVER understand people who talk to the police without an attorney. If you're innocent you need a lawyer and if you're guilty you definitely need a lawyer.
Or agree to take a polygraph. Guilty or not those things are like contacting a psychic.
@@naptime7053 never agree to take a polygraph if your guilty.
Cops play that mind game and most people terrified but I agree 👍🏻
@@naptime7053 Polygraphs are bunkum. But yeah always have legal rep before saying a word.
It is typically arrogant narcissists like this killer Tom Murray who will talk to police without a lawyer, believing themselves smarter than everyone else - including seasoned detectives! Thankfully it usually gets them caught faster.
" I am tickled to death to participate in this.." couldnt hide the glee
I couldn't get over the phrasing! "Glad to help" ok, but tickled? To death?
Yrs! That was a very telling and creepy thing to say! Also never asked what had happened before and cuts and bruises on both BOTH hands. Guilty!!!
Yes, that's all kinds of messed up. That guy is sinister to the bone.
You are dead???
If someone informed me that my Ex partner was dead, the first thing out of my mouth would be 'how, what happened?', during his 10 hour interview with the police, not once did he ask how she died. No wonder he was the number one suspect right from the start!...
The first thing that would come out of my mouth is silence. My EX is none of my business.
First thing that would pop of my head would be "okay" so🤷
I mean as messed up as it is, he wasn’t going to pretend to care. In all honesty if my ex was being “inappropriate” while we were married than asked for a divorce so they can be with the person they were inappropriate with and then wanted to take our child out of the state I wouldn’t have warm and fuzzy feelings for that person either. She was either naive or stupid to think they would eventually be friends.
This is not about how you would feel if your ex died given the experience you'll once had together but it's pretty common sense to at least inquire as to how she died. It's not normal not to bring up that question up at least once
@@user-mv7kh5sv9z it’s actually not normal especially if they were not on good terms with each other. There are some people who just don’t care about people anymore once the relationship is over. Not asking about an ex doesn’t make you guilty, it just means you don’t care. That’s what common sense tells you.
Amen on what the dad said in the beginning. “This case will be solved….I will spend every last penny!” I would do the same!!!!
I've been watching Unsolved Cases, Cold Cases and 48 hours for YEARS. I have also cried many many tears. In this life we as humans have choices and decisions we ourselves alone get to make, and brutally killing a loved one should NEVER EVER be good choice . My heart goes out to the family, to Kiara, and also to Larry.
Wow !
Neither should we cheat. If you wanna be open to a new r/s, at least get a divorce and don’t rub your new r/s in your ex-partner’s face. Be sensible.
His eyes are wild and frightening. And the hatred in his eyes when holding his daughter. Wow.
A very intruiging face. Hardly ever seen anything like it.
@@sofie1065 He looks like David Bowie to me.
And the fact that the daughter looks JUST LIKE her mom I’m sure didn’t help😢
A monster
I have seen it too. Real hatred! I do not understand why they fight for their kids. Must be about power. Creepy narcissists.
Larry volunteering with victims of domestic violence absolutely sent me over the edge 😢
Me too, he is/was honoring her memory by doing that, very touching & shows that he is/was a very GOOD MAN!!!!! May they BOTH be Resting In Heaven surrounded by the Angels 😇 ✨️ 🙏 ❤️....
Such a good man he’s willing to date a married woman with a family. Wish we all could be as good as him.
@@furball192 I think you did.
@@furball192 Gr8 b8 m8
@ivermectin1974 yes. It's called adultery. They were both dishonest.
I loved when her dad said “I would hurt him right then badly” 👍🏻👏🏻 she was daddy’s little girl for sure , bless them all 🙏🏻
So would I have!!🙄🙄🤬🤬
She hurt Tom by being passionately in love with Larry while still married to Tom. She got what she deserved.. Her family knew about the affair too..
This is such an incredibly heartbreaking case! 3 things that I took away despite the horror:
1. Ciara will grow up in a family of love despite losing BOTH parents
2. Angela - you're a rock star! You fought as a NEW prosecutor and won 🙌
3. Larry - turned his tremendous loss into the gift of helping others and asking nothing in return by volunteering.
NOTHING can bring a loved one back, but the cycle of moving forward in grace and stewardship will definitely make an impact on the world.
So true
Kiara not Ciara, and you are correct.
@@brandyyolidio4213 no she’s actually correct it is with a C pay attention to the video “ciara”
He actually said He was “ Tickled to death” to help the police a few hours after he learns his ex has been BRUTALLY murdered. That’s not too much of a red flag.
I had the same reaction
Really odd choice of words. An immediate red flag to me
Very odd choice of words. He was a linguistics professor. Unnerving!
Very cold person ! 😡😡
Recipe for disaster from the start.
He married his student.
Power tripper. He broke 'rules' from the start.
Who wouldn't get tired of being controlled?
Look at her pics with her professor husband verses her new fiance.
She looked like 2 different people.
She looked stifled with the husband, and looked loved and free with the fiance.
The smallest detail of his pink sweatshirt and purple sweats was so odd..
I’m glad he acknowledged that his daughter was with a family that loved her.
The moment he talked to police for hours and "wanted her to be reasonable" were two huge red flags. And his first reaction of being inconvenienced.
Even if you hate your ex you would at least ask about your child and their safety. And about what happened.
He is probably guilty but It is extremely scary to see that you can get convicted without a shred of convincing physical evidence when there are plenty of other possible conclusions by 12 amateurs without any qualifications because they feel you are guilty.
True. That's scary
I was wondering if I was going to see this comment.. because I’m not convinced he did it.. it was a violent crime, and he didn’t leave not one drop of sweat, blood, one strand of hair, and eyelash? C’mon…
I have a family member who got sentenced to almost 50 years by this very method. There was ZERO forensic evidence, the flawed testimony of one "expert" whose opinion was that it was "possible", and testimony by someone who had been coerced. It is my belief that no crime actually ever took place at all, and that this was just a witch hunt in a country backwater.
Before all of this, I thought gross mistakes were an anomaly. Now my eyes are open.
You have a gross misunderstanding about the law.
Circumstantial evidence is equally as relevant as physical evidence.
So to say that the Prosecution brought a case against this man without a shred of evidence is totally inaccurate.
@@frank1903 it is self evident and goes without saying that circumstantial evidence can be extremely relevant and the case proves just that. Maybe instead of of being rude just think about what I meant by real evidence. I am sure you can figure this out as plenty of people have before you. Maybe writing “convincing physical evidence beyond a reasonable doubt” would have kept you from writing your little lecture.
I've noticed one thing from watching these types of shows , the guilty never ask how the victim died.
Sometimes the innocent don't ask because they don't care I wouldn't have asked
If my spouse cheated on me and then tried to take my child... I wouldn't care if or how he died. I wouldn't ask. I would not want to be bothered to go to the police station. I would probably say, "He isn't my problem any longer. Go ask his lover..."
@@lulu-iz7bv exactly not my monkeys not my circus
Keen observation.
Spot on.
The few times I've seen it happen, they come across as very fishy. Maybe that's one reason why they avoid asking.
Found it impressive that the entire extended family from across the country attended court. One lucky little lady despite the horrible circumstances.
I also liked the Law they have in Kansas ,where the family can privately hire a special helper prosecutor . I would have done the same as her parents did. I think this couple were married way too long before adding a child to their lives. Larry was at retirement age & she quit her income so he was looking on not being able to retire until the child is grown. Had they thought things through they should have broke up when she decided she wanted to be a mom. She could have found a man who was young enough to commit to supporting her & child while she quit her job. It also easy to wait for the divorce is over with before you find a new person to allow around the child and family. This was a older man enraged he was loosing his wife & child. Not because he wanted to love them ,but he is enraged because they are HIS in his mind. This dear child has lost both her parents , this is a terrible crime.
One lucky little cheater.
She is terribly lucky, except for the breathing problems. There's none.
She's dead
@@redacted2275 they were referring to the child! Great for you to be so nasty! I hope someday you get into a relationship that becomes abusive with a narcissist, and face violence...then maybe you won't be so judgemental.
Isn’t amazing how Carmen’s family was united and there for the entire trial! You didn’t see a soul representing or supporting Tom. Other than his highly paid lawyers. Of course! That alone says a lot about the type of man he is. Narcissist tend to alienate people.
Most intellectual ppl don’t have lots of friends. Just because you have lots of friends doesn’t mean much. Some ppl just have a big family and lots of church friends. Intellectual ppl like a professor tend to be atheist so they won’t have any church friends.
Carmen was a failed lawyer and held a few patchy jobs. Some ppl like her are extroverts and can’t settle down, which explain her cheating ways anyway. She also made lots of bad decisions, cheating being one of them. Her whole family supported her cheating on Tom. Says a lot about them. Instead of divorcing him first, she went out and date some other guy under his nose. Tell me which married man won’t feel insulted and upset?! Would you if your spouse acted in this manner?? Who’s the narcissistic one here?
Rest in peace, Larry, you are now with the woman you loved. ❤️ My sincere condolences to the families involved and especially her beautiful little girl. 🙏🙌
Oh, has Larry passed away. He sounded like a beautiful caring Man.
@@auntyshakira747Larry seemed like a great person. I agree. Yes, Larry passed in 2011.
I truly believe, he passed of a broken heart...
" soul mates " 😔😔
Once her k!ller was brought to justice, he was able to join her. 🕊🕊
@@auntyshakira747 His obituary (2011) says he is survived by his 2 daughters amd describes him as a loving family man, so he must have married, though it doesn't mention a wife. The obit was clearly written by those who loved him.
The fact that Tom didn’t ask “how did she die?” pretty much proves he did it, for me. If Tom was innocent, he might have thought she died from natural causes, like a heart attack.
Maybe he discovered *she was cheating on him since forever before ending things* and he just didn't care anymore. tHe fAcT tHaT she cheated on him is disgusting, no failed marriage give you the right to do that.
So having actual evidence doesn’t really matter? Good grief that’s a ridiculous statement.
That is a common thing that murderers somehow seem to forget.
@@j.akelly9775 well she isn’t on the jury so i think she can express her opinion.
@@itsemeinin that isn’t evidence. Not at all.
Tom eyes look crazy,I don’t care how nice he want to portray himself,he’s eyes says otherwise
I always look at the eyes. Some people just have that unhinged look. I remember I said that about a guy with dark eyes and got attacked in the comments that I said his eyes look crazy and dark, that it was some kind of prejudiced comment because he was middle eastern. I say that about light colored eyes too. Crazy eyes are crazy eyes. Alex Murdaugh the guy that just killed his son and wife, had dark looking eyes like a shark I didn’t even realize they were blue until they showed a close up of him when he was more calm. It was amazing how a red headed light eyed person eyes go dark like that when he was angry. When he would get angry in court his eyes looked dark. I have seen nice looking people but when they get close enough I then see their eyes and say uh oh, crazy psycho eyes! I saw a good looking guy one night at this Restaurant bar place and when he got close to me and a friend, I said psycho eyes, and some girl sitting next to me said oh my God how did you know that, he is crazy. She has gone out with him and found out he was nuts. I said I just looked at his crazy eyes. He looks unhinged.
Serial killer eyes😮
I can't believe nobody in her family ever saw through his nice guy persona.
@Elvia L. Hernandez maybe he was really a nice guy that was broken by his cheating wife who wanted to take his child away. She broke his heart so he stopped hers. All is fair in love and war
That's what jm saying!! Every picture is terrifying!! It would be so hard tk look into those eyes. How did he fool her family so well?
These videos have the perfect tile, because I put one on to watch, fall sleep and I swear another 48 hours worth play while I sleep! 😂 I got back to my history to find where I left off and loads have played without me knowing 😂
Thank you 48 hours , so much to cover, and yet 48 hours has allways delivered true fact and clear speaking journalist!
It was great to see a rookie prosecutor, Angela Wilson, cut her teeth on a case she cared so deeply about and WIN against seasoned defense attorneys. Good for her! This case was surely fantastic for her career. Tom was the perfect image of a narcissist; gloating from the very start during his interrogation and thinking he was so much smarter than everyone else. It was honestly so gross. I’m glad Carmin’s family got justice for her and can find some closure knowing that their granddaughter and niece won’t be raised by the man who took her away from them prematurely in a most grisly and cruel manner. That search history from his computer sure did prove that he’s a literature professor and not a computer scientist! HA!
For how smart these narcissists always think they are, they sure are stupid when it comes to searching the internet. It seems to get them every time.
You're happy a man was convicted and not a single peice of evidence placed him there!? Lord what a scary world we live in if we're celebrating convictions without a single peice of evidence!!
@@jayr3635 Thank you! Someone with a Brain. So many people jump on the band wagon.
@Rebecca Malone I've searched the internet for things like he did. Doesn't mean anything.
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As terrible as her death was, don't have an affair ever. Affairs are narcissistic and nothing good comes from them. Don't listen to your pals telling you how happy you look either. Get a divorce, take time to heal, and then proceed with your life.
Affairs are bad but that's not narcissistic, you people need to understand that disorder,don't confuse selfishness with narcissism
I got 4 great kids from an affair they aren't biologically mine but they're mine I got sole custody of all my kids and raised them by myself in 6 years tha youngest will graduate
@@davidwoermansr haha that’s like saying you feel off a 3 story building and didn’t break any bones - just cuz something may have turned out better than expected doesn’t mean it’s a good idea
@@WideAwakeHuman it was a great idea in fact the only reason I married the second time was to adopt the kids divorce her and get the kids safe that was her parents idea and they paid for it all
Cheating is never acceptable.
She should have left her husband, got divorced first, then started seeing this other guy.
When u take a person's world away, you don't know what they are capable of!
This is a difficult one. The guy was extremely unlikeable, but he seems to have been convicted and sentenced to life based upon very little.
He's so full of it. He didn't even want his daughter. How terrible for her.
So bc HER family. The family of the cheater, daid that. It means its true?
Let’s be reasonable here. She also shouldn’t have cheated. Tom was just getting back at her.. Would you feel angry if your spouse cheats on you? Don’t act like you’re holier than thou & won’t try to get back at him/her..
My heart breaks for Carmen’s parents. I agree with them that an affair only worsens an unhappy situation. Her husband was a psychopath.
I am a parent who’s daughter was murdered, brutally and dismembered. She was 23 in 2010. I don’t say this for sympathy, but because I 💯 understand.
So what else is new
@@sacredcoaching7332 I am so sorry for your louse! May her soul be in peace!
This story is the second one I’ve seen where the wife had a baby with a narcissist who didn’t want the child in the first place, but when it came to custody all they cared about was winning. I cannot understand why anyone would want a child with someone who doesn’t want children. Do they think that once the child arrives their mind would change?
Well, I believe many ppl would become psychopaths if their partners acted the way Carmen did-- being passionately in love with a new man while still being married. Talk about disrespect!
I worked with family courts and custody disputes for YEARS.. People change at this point. They're not the same spouse you married. Things get dirty and rough it's very sad.
Well, for one, custody disputes reach down to the pride of each individuals.
Aside from having custody of the child, it makes the losing parent suffer by being away from their child. Nothing hurts a parent than their own offspring hating them.
@@junehalog024 my ex-wife doesn't seem bothered by my kids hating her
@@davidwoermansr Well... There are people who are like that but we have to consider 3 things here... One, how old are the children. 2, how old you are and three... How much they hate your wife, their step mom...
@@junehalog024 1 the kids are now all adults the youngest 2 just turned 18 not long ago 2 my age has nothing to do with it and 3 it's their egg donar not their step mother and the oldest 2 were 10 the youngest 2 not yet 6 months when she dumped them at my parents while I was in a coma not expected to live after a horrible accident and said I can't do this and walked away for the last time they'd ever see her or hear from her by her choice her and her new hubby live less than 5 miles from me in a camper on 5 acres I had no use for so I gave her so she could be close to the kids and be in their lives she made the choice
@@davidwoermansr Well, I'm just looking out for any possible problems that may arise for you and your family.
But looks like things are still in better shape than most who maybe in a situation where the kids don't like their step mother. Your situation is different since the woman is the egg donor so she is, in all shape or form, their biological mother.
As a footnote, I'm glad for you that you got better after that incident. I may not know what you went thru to get into a coma but alas, here you are and so, I, for one, am glad for you, sir. ,👍
What a lucky little girl to have such amazing extended family.
Obviously, this guy is the most likely culprit and I do think he's the murderer, but I'm not sure if his guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt. Sketchy search histories and an enemy's death alone aren't enough to imprison someone for the rest of their life in my honest opinion. I do believe they've got the right man in this case, but this kind of trial seems very dangerous; sooner or later someone innocent is gonna end up in a prison cell.
I’m sure there are already innocent people sitting in prison for crimes they didn’t commit. Some have already been proven innocent years later. Although this man might have been guilty….I don’t think there was any evidence to prove without a doubt that he committed this crime.
@@theresabarker3522 As a lawyer with 12 years of experience litigating cases, this is a nightmare. There is nothing to say … This is almost terrifying that it was prosecuted at all. Nothing puts him at the crime scene, all they have is him spending as much time as possible to talk to them without a lawyer … There are plenty of reasonable doubts. This is a horrifying case, even if it is most likely the husband did it. Too many unknowns, and once again, the only thing to say is that this is the kind of case that puts innocent people in jail. The defense put on a better case, too. They just had an unlikeable client with a questionable internet search history (that, in my opinion, was reasonably explained). He is a professor of language and he talks a lot, has searched the internet for CSI type materials, it's not about what the prosecution thinks; it is about what they can prove. One of the worst convictions I've ever seen and when I clerked I did tons of appellate work. This is unlikely to be a conviction that holds up on appeal. I could tear this to pieces … A seasoned appellate worker is going to tear this conviction to pieces. Life in prison over internet searches in an age where all our internet searches would hang us… especially for true crime fans.
This is terrifying.
I was thinking the same thing. A whole lot of reasonable doubt was going on here - the prosecution should not have gone to trial when they did, because if I was in that jury box I would've had to vote innocent, even though I also think he did it.
Thank you, and all of you who replied to this comment, also, for restoring my faith that not everyone is so easily swayed by simple finger-pointing! I have no idea how this case even went to trial.
@@Brandon-a-writer I came here to find out if there was an appeal, and what was the outcome if so. I too believe he ought to have had a better jury, however, he has no one but himself to blame for saying anything other than " LAWYER PLEASE" from the moment police had contact with him. Without his big dumb mouth, he almost certainly would have walked. I bet he is kicking himself in prison. As an aside, couldn't bear the Father saying " she was trying SO hard to save the marriage"--when we already know she was seeing that Lima dude, lol. People are strange. Still, a tragic case all round, really felt for her sisters and how much they clearly adored Tom. Having to digest him doing what he did must be surreal.
The poor Lady's Father said "Tom couldn't have done this, he doesn't have the GUTS!! Never underestimate what people are capable of.
When the fam said Tom doesn't drink excessive or smoke or had any bad things to say over a period of what 8 years? Hmm something doesn't seem right.
@SidewaysInTraffic As soon as her father said "he was too good to be true", THAT WAS A RED FLAG RIGHT THERE!!!!!! That IS EXACTLY WHAT & WHEN everyone SHOULD be weary & watchful of & for!!!!!!
it's exactly the gutless who are capable of doing horrible things to those physically weaker than themselves
@@SidewaysInTraffic There are people that we just never really know who they truly are
That’s right.. sad when you can’t trust the people that supposedly love you 😢
I’m not a person who likes drama but give me anything with science and I’m all about it. 48 Hours has been one of my favorite crime shows. This guy is a nutter. RIP Carmen 🙏🏼🕊️🙏🏼
There is no science in this case.
Ms. Carmen made a lot of poor decisions; nevertheless, she certainly did not deserve her fate💔
"a lot"?
Thank you for uploading all these old episodes! They're old, but new to me. I've already watched all the new ones from the past few years.
The fact that he never asked what happened to her when they told him she died and took him to the police station, tells me he is definitely guilty
Well they could've edited it out; this show is about making him look guilty, since he was convicted.
@c m yeah I'm watching this and they make her sound like a Saint. She was all messed up. Couldn't settle on a career, changing her mind about kids so late in life and cheating on her husband. Everything was all about her according to this show. And they call the killer the narcissist.
@@Stephie84488 they were two narcissists in a narcissistic society. She may have been a saint, IDK, and she may have been a good mother and housewife and him too but they omit so much info that it's deceptive. I mean, all her family can say about her is a list of words and cliche's, like they didn't really know her. If I eulogize a family member, I would also have to say all the things that made them mad, that they didn't like, and tell some specific stories. Since she kept herself apart from her family, everything they are saying is cast into doubt, and this is their story. Although they do interview his students and they liked him. What excuse do the producers have for not interviewing his family, I wonder. They don't offer a disclaimer, like, ``we tried to interview his parents but couldn't.'' Very unjournalistic/deceptive.
@@quickchris10 this show is all about making men look guilty and hailing messed up, adulterer women. The people blindly believe the women. Like in this case, where was the DV? Proof? I replied to a comment on Barry Morphew which called him evil, lacking morality, that wasn't his wife the one who lacked character since she cheated? As Barry is yet to be found guilty, how can you be so sure? And I invited a ton of women giving me the same treatment they gave Barry. Calling me judgmental, psycho, murderer for pointing out that a man is not those evil traits at least until he's proven guilty without doubt.
This guy is innocent, I don’t think he did it. That’s the problem with shows like this- viewers THINK they are seeing the entire case unfold before them, lol when in fact, you are only seeing tiny scraps of the real case. In reality--You’re seeing what the producers of the show want you to see
Professor falling for his student will always be a scarlet red flag.
Well he was omly 27 at the time.
Student was a pain in the rear end.
@@granny58 it's not about age hello. It's about power dynamic ffs
Be fair. A girl with daddy issues falling for a 27 year old man is a scarlet red flag, too. Just sad.
Yea correct that whole situation seems like something left out. Any teacher married to student weird. Hate to think or reply about deceased she was not all in reality what were those jobs after lawyer. Now Tom was a murderer no doubt. It was strange seems like everyone trying to cover up unknown.
Wow this was a tough one! I’ve no doubt that he’s guilty. He had cuts to his hand, very strong motive, her injuries were very personal but was the evidence there? I’d hate to be on that jury.
A life sentence with no evidence besides circumstantial? It's outrageous really. They never pursued any other leads either.
Theres no evidence at all.
So the only outcome should be to set him free.
I have an abusive ex husband too..and one thing I learned is to put hidden cameras inside and outside my home..and got my gun license..learned how to shoot at a shooting range and purchased my first gun for safety...Never let your guard down from anyone.. especially an abusive ex
Did you cheat on your ex and take ur kids far away to live with ur new husband too?
@@Nick2bad4ualthough that's morally wrong it doesn't matter, the ex was a controlling narcissist and I'm not surprised she cheated. She should have left before started a new relationship but often when with an abusive partner a new one is an escape. I'm not condoning cheating but I understand it.
Well if you don’t cheat, you’ll have nothing much to worry about.. Tom isn’t abusive. Carmen cheated right under his nose. Tom wanting to get back at her is par for the course. Her family painted her as an angel. She’s not. She’s also not a looker. Would you feel insulted and upset if your husband is happily dating someone else while still married to you?!!
@@ABC-ed8cg currently no because his snoring keeps me awake every night I'd gladly give him to another woman!
@emmalouise7884
That’s cos you will happily divorce your hubby. Tom wanna salvage the marriage. He’s not the kind to philander. Carmen was the outgoing & extroverted kind who couldn’t settle on a job and r/s. Assuming you love someone very much and he cheats on you and wanna take everything away from you, you’ll feel cornered too..
Having a psychopath in my family I know all about the “facade” they create to look good and normal. Thank God they found him guilty.
Amen to your comment. I have to remind myself that "Mercy doesn't rob justice", either in this life or the next.
Yes!
They are chameleons ,you'll never see a psychopath coming ,until the damage is done .
@@christo3635 very true, I was married to one, my life was a mess when I was with him. I didn't realize how bad of a mess until I was able to get away from him.
@@jodeeps2287 I completely understand! Most people don't realize they are tangled up with a predator like that until it's to late.. These psychopaths have a way of mimicking normalcy to get past your radar , and they tend to go after empaths ,who are beautiful inside and out.. 😊
Theres no one home behind the professors eyes, even when they were supposedly happy. That sold me.
To hear this father talks about his daughter is heartbreaking. His pain is palpable. RIP.
Eye roll
Larry is a super nice guy and he honoring her memory by helping victims of domestic violence. Thank you Larry.
If one person wants kids and the other doesn’t, the relationship is over. Period. There is no compromise in that situation. It’s too bad she didn’t walk away and find happiness the minute she decided she wanted to be a mother instead of staying with the scumbag she chose for fatherhood. 💔
But she didn't stay with him?
@@longwong8311 she definitely had a kid with him though.
@@uhsaywhatnow Had a kid, then cheated on him at some fantasy healing convention. Then tried to take his daughter away to live with the man she destroyed their family with. What a woman.
@@drewasciutto8547 the daughter who he clearly did not want otherwise *parents* would have never had custody!! Nor would he had been at the police station voluntarily for 10 hours!! Don't you think any halfway decent father would want to be consoling his daughter after her mother was brutally murdered?!!
he wanted kids in the beginning when it seems she didn't, but after thirteen years and being older I also wouldn't suddenly want children
Tom loved the sound of his own voice! a good respectful upload, I hope Carmen's child is doing well and the family are healing. Rip Carmen
his interrogation made me sick
@@pinkpugginz me too. and then this sweater.....
Larry did it 100%
I actually know several people like this.
It's so sick and invasive how they film off of this. US is such a sick country.
This is a classic example of prosecuting someone when you don’t actually have a case. Lord have mercy on any of us if we ever stand before a jury because they don’t really care about actual evidence and they will convict you based on what they think.
It’s scary! Many innocent are behind bars because of this.
I think he's guilty, but I agree ... the case was too weak
oh my gosh... they couldn't even prove he was there; none of his blood, no fingerprints, no one saw his car there etc. but yet... guilty. wow! I was so shocked at the verdict
@@bladefiresc59 but the motive was exceedingly strong. Moreover, the searches found on his computer in relation to when the crime occurred was damning. Also the bloody shoe prints should have been taken into consideration. There are enough precedented cases were people have used shoes either to large or too small to throw off investigators.
You're obviously one of those people who expects a criminal case to be handed to you on a silver platter, all wrapped with with a bow. That's not how evidence works - there is rarely ever a photograph taken at the moment the killer commits the crime! And every case is judged to the standard 'Beyond a reasonable doubt' NOT simply 'Beyond a doubt'. Legal language is very precise for good reason!
You no doubt have total faith in DNA evidence and forensics generally, and make the rookie mistake of thinking circumstantial evidence is somehow inferior. It isn't. Circumstantial evidence IS evidence, and a circumstantial case, given the right amount and quality of evidence, can be even more compelling than a forensic one. This was actually a VERY strong case - so strong, that the killer Tom Murray's 2008 appeal was dismissed!
The only potential problem with primarily circumstantial cases, is they require jurors with the ability to join the dots and do some work to put the puzzle pieces together and recognise the big picture. As your post demonstrates, that is sadly beyond the intellectual abilities of some!
I remember watching this episode years ago, a very long time ago. And what immediately stood out to me were his creepy eyes. He had an incredibly creepy, very cold look in his eyes, just look at him at 1:30 - 1:35. I'd be afraid to be with him from the get-go. Some of us just have an intuition.
The eyes is the window/ mirror to the soul.
I agree.
Very sad. What a loving family to raise her daughter.
She killed herself at 16 rip
@@DMEseter It's shocking and sad.
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@@DMEseter this is very sad! Thank you for this information. Just wondering on how did you find out.
"I never wanted Carmen dead, I wanted her reasonable."
That sounds like a confession to me.
Yup!
Me, too. Like, wtf?!
Coercive control.
@@ivydickson7596 sounds like it.
Absolutely! Also sadly sounds like something my ex would say.
I’m actually shocked that he was found guilty with absolutely no evidence that he committed a crime…this is a scary presidency to move forward with in the legal system
Thank you for sharing! So glad they got justice!!
Dude had nerve to say, “I am tickled to death…”
The murderous husband's grandiosity in the interview is something else!
Carmen came from a beautiful family. Wow! Carmen and Larry looked like soulmates.
Horrible situation. It's always best to leave without warning. Sad
By the way how's OJ doing with his search for the real killer? I remember him vowing to never rest until they are found and he'll do everything he can to find them and bring them to justice.
Anyone else find themselves struggling to hold back tears by the end of these ?😩
RIP Carmen & Larry Lima 🤍 & to the rookie prosecutor for absolutely CRUSHING that case 👏 Amazing
Yea, usually after a few episodes I need to pet my cats or watch cute animal videos. Take care of yourself 😊
Me
Lmao, calling that a "absolutely CRUSHING that case" is extremely embarrassing. She was choking, stuttering, and being over dramatic. The only reason that she won the case was not necessarily because of how "she presented herself", it was literally below par btw. But because of the computer forensics and the emotional/biased jury and people involved in it. Saying that she "absolutely CRUSHED that case" is worse than an over-exaggeration.
@@dinuxplay8003exactly lmao
they died?
What a scary point in any womans life. So very sad. Any relationship started before the previous one is over is a bad situation.
Except that it happens all the time.
If only there was a thing called accountability or something 😂
@@Tero92 truth. I neglected to mention.. leaving a relationship is the scary point. Personally i have never left my husband nor even had a point i even thought to, but in a bad relationship the leaving point is the bad part.
Yes, it isn't wise.
Yes, yes, yes! I just don't understand how otherwise smart women do something so dumb. When you cheat and then rub salt into the wound by moving the child away--and then you move the boyfriend you cheated with and dumped the husband for into the home with the child... It is like swimming in the shark tank with a bloody finger.
That’s a messed up verdict . Scares me for my “justice”
Wow! I feel like he did it but there was so much reasonable doubt!
As I continue watching these true crime documentaries, I realize 2 things:
1) horrible/ tragic murders happen to the most nicest, wonderful people
2) it’s always the people closest to you that commit the horrible act.
It’s scary…..
It’s not always people closest to you. I would say half and half. Also, a lot of those people are innocent… every single one of us should be scared to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, or just happen to be mad at someone and they god forbid get killed.
@@diaryofarealmom3264 Sure, be a convicted murderer apologist. Make you feel better???
A cheater is a nice person?
3) If a person seems to good to be true, he/she probably is...
How was she a good person?
The way he is staring in the camera and smirking in all the wrong moments gives me the creeps.
Feel happy that I came across these documentaries. The narratives are more investigative, than gory. More mind than brazen brawn. Addiction that I love . For sure.
The worst thing that can happen to a mother is to bury their child. I speak from experience.
I’m so sorry… 💔
I knew he was guilty when he broke his mask and smirked when the fiancé said he was about to move to town to be with her. It was like he was saying “haha and now you can’t”. The fiancé was ready to drop everything for her like she truly deserved and honestly that’s what got to that loser. He was losing her, possibly his daughter and control he wishes he still had. She was so brave to move on and find happiness away from a man like that because he probably tried to break her down for years and you can just tell from his interrogation he gets off on feeling like he is intellectually superior. He loves to gaslight and run circles for hours feeling like he’s a cat with a mouse on the run. No matter what he thinks he did to her she is and always will be free from him while he rots in prison because guess what. Now that basket case can’t do to his daughter what he tried to do to his wife. She will always be her butterfly and flying angel 💜
Not asking how she died, or ask for any details, when the police informed him of her death.
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🤲 🙏 🤲 🙏 🤲 🙏 🤲
That's just editing film to fit the narrative. I'm not convinced with zero physical evidence. I think they had tunnel vision and locked him up so they wouldn't have to bother looking for whose blood and shoe print at the crime scene that was.
Seemed to me that he wanted his daughter just to thumb his nose at the family. I've known people like that, more interested in spite than what's right.
@@NiecieSavo Bruised wrists from cutting a pineapple?
Not the first time we've heard the murderer was googling stuff like that for a book!!😂 Just Saying. 😮😳🤔🤦♂️🤷♀️
I immediately thought of Nancy Brophy. Haha. She was something else!
And surely he's never published fiction before or we would have heard about it
Seems to be a theme in real crime
Doesn't prove anything without additional evidence.
God bless the prosecutor for her very hard work. God bless the family and blessing on them for being able to raise the victims daughter. Rip Carmen
Should have never gone to trial
Tom said he cut his fingers and bruised his wrists cutting up a pineapple. That's enough for me.
I've watched a metric ton of true crime documentaries. Some have taken place in places I lived or very close to where I live currently. This is the first to actually occur where I was, when I was there. Strange feeling, knowing you may have sat in a booth across from them at the local diner or given them a polite smile in the grocery store. I hope Carmen is able to rest peacefully, knowing her beautiful daughter is being raised by her loving and dedicated family.
Aaraar😢@4xfeqqq 41:31 41:31 41:31
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🤲 🙏 🤲 🙏 🤲
Her family just wanted the kid and they didn't care who they locked up to meet that end. This case was flimsy at best.
@Niecie Even if you're correct, it doesn't negate the fact that they love their daughter/sister and granddaughter.
Also, if you notice, I at no time mentioned guilt or innocence. Your position/opinion may be valid. Your comment is misplaced.
1000 kilogrammes.
what a phenomenal job by the prosecuting attorneys, especially the assistant DA. she was so passionate, and her caring is what won that case.
Because it sure wasn't the evidence. 😀
I cant believe they actually find him guilty without no evidence at all. Wow. This is injustice.
The ex-husband is insufferable in that police interview. I don't know how Carmen even stood him for a moment to date and marry him. I hope her daughter is doing well now.
Narcissists can be very charming when they want to be. It's easy to fall for them and not realize what's going on on the inside. At first.
@@hands-to-work1601 I don't know - I mean he has to be a narcissist, but not charming, at all.
There’s many comments saying the daughter, Ciara, killed herself at age 16 y😢
@@nicolaxoxo1 No?! Really? That is so sad. Poor child.
Maybe if you have a cheating spouse who wanna take everything away and ruin your life, you’ll become insufferable too. He doesn’t become cold and mean for no reason.
I hope you all have a wonderful day ❤️. Thank you 48 for being the voice for all the victim's 🕊️🕯️
☀️ ❤
@Meranda Smith I hope you have a wonderful day as well 💕🤗
Thanks dear, you too! Have a great day ❤❤
You all as well 😊
I hope you have a beautiful day ❤ and 48 is a voice for all
I'm so obsessed with 48 hours episodes my my !
It’s funny how parents refuse to see their children for who they truly are because we love our children so very much
There’s good, bad and ugly in most everyone and everything.
My goodness what an absolutely heartbreaking story!! But I'm so glad justice was served in the end!!
I must say that Tom's face gave me goosebumps from the very beginning!! He just had one of those ice cold emotionless empty looks!!
I thought the same. I was married to a narcissist. I can spot those cold, dead, eyes.
Very that
@@BBB-rd2qi I'd you can spot them eyes, then why did you marry him?
@@deannamarshall8894
Just perhaps, after being married to one.
And from experience, she was able to spot narcissistic energy in form.
Just sayin’…
Me too, right from the start he gave me the creeps 😖
The cuts and bruises on his hands and wrists says everything
No DNA or fingerprints
I love how they are making her out to be an angel and she was literally cheating on her husband for how long ? Nobody deserves death but nobody deserves to be betrayed by their significant other either.
Agreed
Agreed
I completely agree
And was going to take his child away, ration visitation and replace him as a father with her new man.
@@sergeantbee2503 Did you watch the part where he didn’t want to have a child and stopped being affectionate when they did conceive and he didn’t show affection towards his new born?
I am not convinced he did it. No physical evidence. Scary if someone else did it and he was sentenced to life in prison. Just sickening!
When Angela hugged Carmen’s family, I cried. Great job!
She was wrong to start a new relationship before getting a divorce.
Finally someone is talking some sense!!
@@MT-oi2ty my eyes rolled when i found out that she dating a guy far older than her. The perfect cocktail of disaster.
I'm so sorry for your loss, I have 3 sisters, and to lose one would be devastating. My sister's name is April, also. May the wounds of this situation heal.
There's definitely reasonable Doubt. We are missing tons of information
I'll never understand why folks can't just move on. You didn't even want the child in the first place. Now look!
He never wanted a child before or after he just wanted to torture Carmen once they split up!!!
Men are told to do the right thing all their lives. Just because u dont want a child doesnt change ur duty once one is born.
Good point.
It is a matter of control. Many people end up killing their partners even without having kids on their own. "If you arent mine, nobody will have you" line of thought
what if he later loved the kid? whats the problem with that?
Do I feel like he did it? Yes. Was there enough evidence for a conviction, absolutely not.
Computer searches will get you every time.
Oooooooh, I get it. The affair went well so she THEN decided she was gonna get a divorce. Got it. And the whole entire time, her friends and family are rooting her on in her cheating ways. That’s interesting.
I love this story. It made me teary eyed when you gave him the camera and how appreciative he was and worried about the cost of it. Please please maybe you can gather a few people to clean up and clear the debris outside surrounding and put a few picnic benches for them to enjoy the outdoors on sunny warmer days or just to enjoy the sky, birds and so forth. Thank you for all you do for these people that need care and attention!!!
Relevancy to Carmin's story?
Wrong video?
OG the woman gets stabbed and the ex-husband has bandages on his hand. How stupid does he think investigators are
Intellectuals think they are smarter than everyone else, hence, 'the pride before the fall'
The only problem was no dna at the scene at all. So those cuts can’t be related. If he was hurt enough to require bandages they must’ve been some blood or skin cells left behind and there wasn’t. More likely he hired someone and hurt his hands doing something else.
@@bautistalover incorrect
@@user-es9tj4xw5t not incorrect. DNA doesn’t lie.
GUILTY! GOOD JOB JURY
Absolutely no evidence yet 12 people “regular people” get to say your guilty just because they feel your guilty (that’s scary) he may of killed her but he may of not also,imo he should of been found NOT guilty till they came up with some evidence
So they are bringing this guy to trial without evidence
When her Dad said, ' Tom, you're too good to be true,' - that was the FIRST red flag 💯 of the narcissist he was.
They didn’t have any proof nor any evidence against him. That’s kind of scary 😟 that bunch of ppl feels he is guilty so he is locked up for good.
Very touching story !