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TOURER vs OFF-ROADER. I went too far towards Tourer.
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
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The title of this video is "TOURER vs OFF-ROADER. I went too far towards Tourer"
A full-length presentation as I walk around the Aussie dream Tourer and deliver my verdict. And I bet it's probably not what you expect.
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After watching this video. And many others of yours. I have come to 2 conclusions.
1/. You are correct. The electronics running your system is way to complex. I believe very much in the K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) policy for off roading and camping/touring.
2/. You seem to run like a bull at a gate with your builds. You have a preconceived idea b4 you start. And you will not deviate. Instead of letting it come slowly and naturally. In other words letting the project develop a life of its own.
And most importantly this is not a criticism of you. ( as i know I will get a lot of negative feed back ). Just my opinion/observation.
Please don't confuse not agreeing with everything you say with 'negative feedback'. You'll only get an honest response from me. Some people confuse that with intolerance. It isn't.
Okay . . . "bull at a gate with your builds". I think that's a bit unfair. " You have a preconceived idea b4 you start." Yes, I definitely do. It's this that motivates the project. "And you will not deviate." No I won't - not much anyway. Way too expensive. I have a plan and I go for it. but I do learn and adapt. Not every concept, idea and change is shown on screen. You only see part of what really happens and you have to make your judgements on that. Much of the reality is invisible to you. "Slowly and naturally." It sounds okay, but I have no idea what that actually means. What you may be saying is that I don't spend enough time trying things before committing to them. But how does one test an idea? Fit it, test it, try and and decide. And I did. Every decision affects every other decision. Not everything turns out the best way, and for better or worse, I'll show that on my channel. No hype to be found here!
I disagree with the "bull at a gate" comment. If you watch a build from start to finish, you will see how the ideas develop and, quite often, change as challenges and/or solutions present themselves. Do I agree with everything Andrew does or says? Of course not! But I have yet to come across a reviewer/vlogger/enthusiast that does not try to BS you with marketing fluff. If something works, he says so. If it doesn't, he also says so - even if it's his own stuff or ideas that don't work... That's a rare commodity!
@@4xoverland. Thanx for the reply Andrew.
Not sure where u got the comment about "way too expensive" from. Maybe it was to do with the "way too complex electronics" comment I made. Even so. It is neither here nor there.
Im glad you were honest in your response. And no offence or intolerance on my behalf was taken.
Keep up the good work. As I do enjoy your videos.
@@flysoutbackadventures I meant, way too expensive to deviate from a plan too much.
I think Andrew has built so many vehicles over the years, not just for his personal use but for others also; so yes he has a preconceived idea which has come from years of experience.
The feeling I’ve had from his early trips in this vehicle is that he likes so much about the vehicle & its build but he hasn’t fallen in love with it like he has with his last two Troopys; maybe it will grow on him when he does more trips in it, but I’m just not sure he will......🤔
This guy’s passion and brutal honesty is remarkable. He put together an overlander’s dream build and was like: “ehh, not for me”. After all that work, a typical person might have a bit of bias and overlook flaws. Not this guy. Awesome video
Well selling full price a vehicle on which almost everything was free, to build a new one where almost everything will be free again is a good incentive compared to a regular people that would lose a lot of money doing the same thing.
@@Fe_lix can’t argue much against that thought
@@Fe_lix,, I really don't think Andrew received the L/c for free or the tray & camper. I could be wrong 🤷♂️, but obviously a good portion of the extras were sponsor donated. Maybe ASPW could chime in and clarify. Happy new year friends 🍻👍.
@@PaydayGabeBCNV He doesn't need to chime in and clarify here, he states on the video what he was given and what he bought himself because it works.
The next build should be a minimalist off-road overlander. The challenge of taking less- without impacting on the enjoyment of the trip.
The challenge of taking less- without impacting on the enjoyment of the trip. YESSSS.
Andrew watch Ronny Dahl's Modified Ep 88 for ideas. Masterclass, it'll help you no end
@@jowly1462 is that the latest one with the patrol? If so. That’s the best build I’ve seen- I really like the guy (and his wife!)’a approach to the truck and travel.
@@iansmith5601 Yes, that's the one. I was amazed at the detailed level of planning and disciplined build. No superfluous crap. Even Ronny was floored at times. Andrew, seriously go see how it's done
Andrew should view the latest modified episode on Rohny dahls channel, similar build but simpler
I have always truly appreciated your honesty. Especially when being critical of your own decisions. That requires a huge level of humility. Thanks.
People, go back and watch Andrew's intro tag that's on every video. Two keys: 'Watch me build trucks' and 'travel to the remotest parts of the world'. Well, the second is hyperbole given the world we now live in, but if the vehicle Andrew builds (with sponsorship) can't achieve that second key task, it's gotta go bye-bye, preferably while it can command the highest possible resale price. Andrew has tried and tried again to create the perfect do-it-all vehicle, and until Toyota, Quick Pitch, ARB, or someone else markets a magic wand that overrides the rules of physics, building a long-haul 4WD is going to be about determining what compromises the owner is willing to accept. The 'Dream Tourer' proves there's a limit. Maybe Andrew needs multiple vehicles for different objectives? And multiple aircraft? :-)
I feel like the last troopy build was the best one I’ve seen of all your different builds. Thing was just perfectly set up. Great mix of off road and tourer.
I said months ago that this was too big and heavy and didn't have enough off-road capablility and was told I was being too critical by other commenters. Months later Andrew arrived at the same conclusion.When you put a GVM upgrade on a vehicle and its still too heavy...well the message is pretty clear.
The only surprise is it took him that long to realise.
There are some massive fanboys in these comments who get super defensive if you speak ill of him or his projects. The reality is they want to camp and travel in comfort so they take everything bar the kitchen sink. Everything about this build is excess. Maybe they should get back to basics, or just tow a camper.
I agree I was one of them and the fanboys are frustrating with defensive comments these guys think Andrew Can't do wrong the cab guard should NEVER have been installed in the first place as a example and plenty of comments were made at the time regarding this.
It's not only the weight but the functionally of the rig that I didn't agree with but Andrews brutally honest content is appreciated.
could have turned it into a 6 wheeler and restored any capability lost due to its weight and length
Andrew said that the double cab platform didn't work for him as a good off roader when he bought the first double cab and sold it for a troopy. " too much weight over the rear axle" This new one is just too big and heavy.
Look, to invest nearly $250k in this project build and then after hardly using it decides that it isn’t what he needs and that it has a number of shortcomings is just plain dumb. How could anyone have any confidence in his ability to deliver an autograph vehicle that is any good. Andrew is fast becoming a bit of clown with his constant miss steps and cocky ups with vehicles.
That's the third time you've owned a double cab 79 and each time it's been a compromise too far. I can't think of a vehicle that suits you better than a troopy. However it would be cool to see you take on something other than a land cruiser just to see what you would do with it! What about a more affordable vehicle? People really enjoyed you Africa 105 build, partly because of Paul Marsh but also because it was more attainable.
For an ordinary person like me its a $200k rig... way out of the limit of 99.9% driver. But i like to watch these type of enjoyable video coz its free. Good luck andrew . Merry Christmas & happy new year .
It's unbelieivable that someone can drop that much cash on a rig only to find it isn't what they wanted. LIke, how do you know do some analysis beforehand? It's up for sale for 235k at the moment. You can buy a whole house for less than that in some parts of australia.
@@andrewford80 ok, 235k Australian $ is around 2, 84,93,750 Pak Rupees and that is a huge bargain. Why ? Because my 05 Prado stock is around 5 million rupees. So just imagine the taxes we pay here in my country 😌
@@andrewford80 it was for 180K a couple of days back, price went up after the video was released.
@@andrewford80 Design it, Build it, Use it, Change it. And in Andrew's case, Sell it.
I also enjoy whatever build Andrew does but from a $ perspective one makes more money selling expensive toys to rich people.
The fine print comment about Alucab makes me reluctant to buy any of their products. I know they have a lot of great products but if they or their distributors don’t encourage negative comments about their products it worries me that they don’t care for feedback or customer satisfaction.
There are two side to each story, its better not to jump to conclusions.
I thought the same. As I recall Andrew was always positive about his troopy alu-cab roof. It’s not like he’s out to bash them unfairly.
@@jimblackburn3182 Yes, Andrew has probably lifted their business so that's quite nasty to threaten court action.
Based on Andrews statement about the fact Alucab would sue him if he made “any negative comments” about their products, then “l wouldn’t buy anything from them”. So much for free speech.
Alu-Cab never threatened to sue Andrew, its between Andrew to the AU Distriboture, and for my knowledge it has nothing to do with a comment regarding a product and more about the professional work of the Distriboture. Like i wrote there are two side for the story, and man shell ask himself why the a great working relationship between ASW and Alu-Cab came to an end. Although I'm the European distributor and share holder at Alu-Cab im not sure i can even explain myself why it came to that and for my point of view it should never came to that point, but for this story there are even more then just two sides, and sometimes some one take a side without really understanding or knowing what is going on the other side.
It'd be nice if one of your next builds were built to a price perhaps more realistic to a greater number of people. It's easier to do anything or everything when sponsors are throwing gear and kit at you, either for free or at a discount. (Good on for you for that, I must say. You've shown so many products I didn't even know were on the market.) To place a dollar limit on the mods for whatever the donor vehicle is, and decide from the outset the main purpose, would be a very worthwhile exercise. You have enough audience base, even if it's only your Patreons, to allow input from others in the direction of such a build.
But why? His primary goal of building it is to do his job of overlanding & making documentaries, & have the vehicle make that job easier for him. Trying to see how to build a vehicle with a certain budget to teach others isn’t his primary goal; he’s actually done similar projects like that or at least shown it on his channel several other times.
you can build a great tourer out of a pajero or prado, his needs are different to most but similar to others. Everybody has different goals in this space
I'd rather see Andrew do his own build as the whole point ( at least for me) is to get inspiration not a piece to copy as at the end we all have different needs and Andrew's time and budget are limited.
Buy a Toyota Hiace, throw a Coleman burner and an esky in the back along with camp chairs and table.
@@davidhamad6125 exactly.. why would I watch a channel that's literally doing something I'm doing or really what 95% of us are doing? Nobody wants to watch Joe Soap talk about slide out drawer and a fridge 😁
I'll say it because no one else has. You really haven't gone where a truck and trailer can't with this truck. A heavy land cruiser is in some aspects compromised just as much as if you were towing. The camper is more weight higher up on one axle. You could save yourself over $100k by buying an off the shelf duel cab and an off-road trailer. And if you were travelling in competition level tracks you wouldn't have neither, you'd have a cheaper truck, a swag and a bunch of spares.
If you had unlimited money you'd be never satisfied with any truck. It'll be too heavy, too slow, too uneconomical or not ergonomic. Make a budget, make a plan, and and aim for the stars.
I agree. I won't tow. So, the only things to do is go smaller.
Why not tow though? Best of both worlds. I towed for a year and we went everywhere except the Cape and only because we ran out of time. And the two days we spent bunkered down with massive winds I was sure glad I had a little bit of room and wasn't stuck in a tray camper.
@@telebrettable I like towing, and in many ways they are ideal, but as Tom Sheppard points out in his book (which I'd wholeheartedly agree with him on this), you need two or three helpers to move a trailer around when you get stuck. If it's just one or two of you, it becomes a pain. Also, reversing a trailer off-road is not good fun either.
Yeah I agree re recovery but its not life threatening as you can just leave it. The ability to base camp as well is a huge plus for the trailer.
@@telebrettable Also, what is the vehicle rated to tow wise? Some manufacturers stipulate different limits for on- and off-road use. For example, my vehicle is rated to just 1000 kg off-tarmac, yet is plated to 2000 kg for on-tarmac use (4000 kg if you have driver controlled as opposed to overrun brakes, not that I'd want to tow 4000 kg with a Series III Land Rover with just 47 kW/ 62 bhp).
Back to basics. When is enough - enough? The electronics, battery management systems, radios, .... You mentioned Snow master. When I looked them over at the 2018 Overland West Rally there were 3 factory engineers from the snow master factory standing over our shoulders listening to our questions, and comments. Everything from door access, handles, the remote control, weight, etc. was being recorded. All for ideas on improvement. KISS - and something you can fix on your own. Whether touring or remote off-road travelling - being able to trouble shoot and fix is way more important than having a remote app to fire up the water heater or travel buddy. KISS
Almost an hour of Andrew thoroughly going through his build made my day !
Professional designer/builder like Patriot or others uses Auto Cad with 3D drawings and scaled measurements.
They can explain weight and weight distribution, height of the tray for access also show and fill wasted space all before you buy the platform to build it on.
Andrews method is buy, design in his head (Didn't see any drawings) then
Pay or have sponsors build the tourer.
Final product shows shortfalls in DESIGN not the quality of the build.
So this is the difference between true experience in designing and building a product that is usable, functionally, no wasted space, balanced,
all within budget for owner and builder.
His choice he can do what he wants and this must work for his channel dollar wise with UA-cam and sale of the trucks being profitable due to freebies.
But in the real world if you follow this content providers ideas it wouldn't be a dream tourer just a nightmare.
C'mon, firms like Patriot have small production runs of vehicles whereas this vehicle is a one off. Hardly surprising that they do 3D modelling and the amateur builder doesn't.
Patriot don’t explain the weight, they just go for more weight and bigger vehicles. The things they’re best known for are massive trucks that practically cause small landslides.
Love the second last scene, with household appliances plugged into power board, clearly filmed in a caravan park or group camping location with some ones else's tent in background. For a pure overlanding vehicle it often ends up in 2 wheel drive accessible paid campsites. None of this feels like 'camping' to me. AND if we are going ALL the way with honesty, UA-cam channels never don't move on to build another vehicle, no content = no revenue.
Just my 2 cents worth, many won't agree, that's fine too.
I watched part 2 yesterday. Part 1 today.
To say the least I was completely overwhelmed by the amount of time, money and technology in the Tourer. Least the size and weight. At 55 minutes into the vid watching you rationalize the validity of both platforms I 💯 concur with your decision to go to the " Offroader Touring" version.
Cheers 🍻, and a safe healthy New Year to you and Gwen. 🙋♂️, G. in beautiful Boulder City Nv.USA 🇺🇸
I actually really liked the most recent vehicle you built and sold in Africa. I think something like that vehicle here in Aus is what you want.
did he sell the 100 series in africa??
@@EddyCullen yup. It's sold
Do 20 year old Nissan Patrol, that would really lift the channel.
@@DaciaProject Just a little trip. I enjoyed it.
@@DaciaProject yep, completely agree. he wants comfort and offroad ability, needs to be a 200. stop buying 70s!
I’ve always thought that you’ve gone full tourer when you completed this rig. Bring back the Troopy with a fully modified rear camper space.
That space ship truck has more stuff than my house!!... flux capacitor and all!
Andrew not knocking you....this is primarily a filmaking channel that just happens to have 4WD content. Prior experience of decades past can be easily confused for dining out on former glories. Building vehicles is one aspect, actually using them for the stated goal is another. That's ok if you're happy to take the "Men's shed, telling war stories" direction with the channel. Limited appeal after a while. As time passes, taking every comfort and convenience on a trip, defeated by flies etc, begs the question, "why not just get a caravan"?
It hurts to say. But I have also had that feeling for about a year.... The "Men's shed, telling war stories" direction...
Hi Andrew SPW! I'm a bit late on this comment, but figured I had something relevant to add: based largely on your earlier reviews my wife and I bought ourselves a Tommy Camper (an early onset midlife crisis likely provoked by COVID lockdowns)! We had the 1st of two Tommy Campers brought into NZ and we've just returned from our maiden voyage around the South Island.
After our first trip in this camper the ONLY thing we can think about is how to get back out in it. I've never slept so well or enjoyed such an easy camp set up, I've also never spent so much money on recreational equipment, but despite that neither myself nor my long-enduring wife had the least regrets after our first trip.
Now this brings me to my main point: how can you sell your beautiful new rig?! I won't use the words "betrayal" or "heartbroken" or "full of a blind, all consuming rage", but I was looking forward to more Tommy Camper content from you! That being said *sigh* I respect the decision, and I understand the need for hardcore off-roading ability in your hardcore and sun baked neck of the woods; NZ is a touring rig country for sure. OBVIOUSLY you're making a huge mistake selling the Tommy Camper, but terrible decisions make for great content anyway, so should be good as gold (just busting your chops) :-)
I will end by saying that: despite the relentless nitpicking and what I suspect is clinically diagnosable "fussiness" when it comes to your rigs, you've been right about literally EVERYTHING that's overlapped with our own build, and you've saved us from a number of expensive disappointments, so thank you. I only wish you were 2 meters tall like me so you'd solve a number of "tall guy problems" that I end up having to deal with (the biggest being that the Land Cruiser utterly fails for taller drivers as the left leg has no place to rest as there's no centre console).
All the best from an ex-pat NY Yank living in NZ, maybe we'll see you on the trail some day.
hey mate it seems as though you have put much thought into your decision however I am somewhat disagreeing with you on your conclusion that this ute is not offroady enough. As someone who lives and works out of a Landcruiser belting it through some of the worst country imaginable with hundreds of kgs of equipment( chemical spray unit with 600l of water + chainsaws and all other associated equipment) its my belief that your possible not giving it a fair shake. When i think of the polar opposite to this ute a swag thrown in the back, an esky and a cooker, yes its lighter and more robust offroad but its nowhere near as enjoyable as it possible could be with just a touch more gear. My suggestion is trim the fat. cut back to the bare essentials. We are all guilty of loading down to the bumps stops and arriving home with a bunch of stuff that wasn't touched all trip. they are in credible capable cars such that i am constantly suppressed. What ever you choice mate i look forward to seeing what you do next thanks for the entertainment.
Other side of the world but after over 20 years in the bush we're down to three totes for our family of five. Little context, here in Canada the wife and I started doing canoe trips over 20 years ago. We were young and started with relatively short 4 or 5 day trips. After each trip we would look at the gear we used and the gear we didn't. Eventually we got to the point where we could do a portage in a single go. Canoe and small backpack with wife carrying the food and tent (It's a bit more complicated but whatever). We eventually started doing 120 km canoe routes and would add a couple extra days on top of what we figured we would need. Two high quality hammocks, nemo sleeping pads, down sleeping bags and the best waterproof/resistant ultralight tent money can buy (with lots of space). It's pretty amazing what we can get away with now after years of dialing things in... Kids now so epic canoe trips are over but we can grab a couple bins, toss them in the SUV and be gone in no time. We just plan for the food, I do the maps (GPS, Phone, Paper and compass) then off we go. BTW, back in the day it was a Subaru Impreza hatch, now it's a Honda Pilot. Plenty capable of hitting the logging roads and abuse them each trip. Maintenance and a good mechanic is key, also, doing your own basic work is essential. We'll go two weeks in the middle of nowhere and have a blast. When the kids came along at first I brought way too much stuff, didn't take long to get back to basics and keep it simple. One thing we don't have to worry about up here is water though, a quality gravity filter and lakes all over the place. The Happy Camper by Kevin Callan is a good start, from there you can build on his ideas and research what works for you. Replace canoe with vehicle and the gear falls into place. I think the best Canadian canoe books are a good place to start if you are looking for the essentials to pack and then build on that. Backpacking is a little too sparse on gear.
@@antonioarroyas7662 our gear evolution has followed a similar pattern to much gear initially then dialing it in. when we go away we go for hunting trips specifically targeting feral pigs you lose a lot of space just in the ute tray room required for the dogs so you pack simple, also its generally very rough where we go so you have to pack fairly light typiclly swag, engle , food and beer is all we pack could defiantly be more comftable in a big roof top camper but a decent swag and a busy day make for a good nights sleep.
@@ultrafarmer3069 Hunting is certainly a different ball game :) I'd say Moose requires the most gear and is best done as a team effort. Some people just pay a guide and go pull a trigger. We do it all from start to finish, it's not about the "trophy", it's about so much more. In the end, a good size moose gets a group of fifteen of us 20 or so lbs of meat each. As for other game like ducks it's much less prep. Like anything in life, the more effort you put in, the better your chances of success. That being said, there are plenty of days where we came up empty. There are certain animals I just won't hunt though, Bears being one of them. The meat sucks and people generally just hunt them for the fur and usually claim the meat is "tasty" (it's not). One guy I know bow hunts Moose, he's pretty hardcore and fit! Ice fishing is pretty fun too. I'd say winter stuff much like your summer adventures are more dangerous and extra weight is a small price to pay when it comes to a life or death situation. Cheers bud, looking forward to heading down your way one day!
@@antonioarroyas7662 sounds like you living the dream up there mate. Likewise hopefully once the world sorts its self out I can visit your neck of the woods 👍🏻
If you come up here I'd recommend Vancouver and Vancouver island. Like Australia Canada is pretty massive, 3 weeks in British Columbia is a pretty sweet trip. Also, come up in the summer...
I've owned 4WD vehicles since 1968, never been without one, worked in the bush, remote areas, etc. I watched every episode of your build and I was impressed with your passion and fascinated by the technology and attention to detail. About half way through the build I couldn't help feeling that it was getting away from you. Armed with the lessons you've learnt from this project I think your next vehicle will be exactly what you need and I look forward to watching the process.
Love your videos! Want to say I think the sliders are the best Idea for these reasons,
1. You have extended out your wheel base and only lifted it 1in... So if you go over something you are more likely to hit the rockers on a fast drop.
2. You want a step, why not add just a few pounds for added protection.
3. The weight is down low! Much less to worry about than on the roof.
An Aluminum Slider could be an option but you loose strength, add price, To Loose only a few pounds down low... Better to save your money for slightly extra fuel or buying lighter gear (Especially if you were going to add that to the roof)
I knew this vehicle was on the chopping block as soon as you said you didn't love it like the troopy.
Another fantastic, honest review of what works and what doesn't. Thank you! Wishing you and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas and prosperous 2021! Cheers!
Best off road video I’ve seen in years.
The reality of getting out there and doing it and sitting in your den designing it are two different things.
The outback is a harsh mistress..
I’ve learned over years of working remote, that simple is best.
I will always choose a lever over an electronic switch , a cable over a relay .
The manufacturers have in my opinion gone down the wrong road in their journey of trying to soften the tool that is a 4x4 .
I understand their rationale because the majority of buyers will never take their product to the limit of its capabilities, but when you do actually go remote and it all goes “ Hell West and Crooked “ you need to be able to sort it there and then with the basic tools that everyone carries.
Everyone that has visions of getting out there should get a job running the boundary fences of a large property, or work for a survey/ exploration company for a while.
Flash Harry gear doesn’t cut it if you properly get of the beaten track.
You could build a better rig for $70k less. Your 79's are cool if you like bulk, however way to heavy & cluttered with unnecessary tech, fabrication & cargo, for a serious tourer or offroader. Why items such as scrub rails (+30kg), tray & camper instead of all in 1 unit(+200kg & it's 100mm+ to high), fridge slide (20kg), wheels (20kg), & so much unused cargo in draws. Great vid content but your cars are so busy with afterthought sponsor looking extras. Sponsorship is great...well done but, unnecessary items & complexity reduces outback enjoyment. Keep up the good work Andrew, & pls post some remote 🇦🇺 tracks.
Sell it. Do a 200 series with drawers in the back. Keep it simple. Get a GVM upgrade. Leave out all the unnecessary gadgets and simplify the 12v setup. Sleep on a stretcher using a swag covered by a rhino 270 awning and walls. In my opinion this would be the ultimate setup for you.
This, no condensation issues in a simple swag vs roof top tents that people spend 5k+ on
@@KaizenOz exactly. Never get wet. Swag doesn't even get wet.
He wants a vehicle to be able to edit content while on a trip. He has said this many times. Swag is terrible for that.
@@jeep6242 the awning and walls create the perfect space to eat, sleep, edit etc out of the elements.
@@jeep6242 so this current set up works for editing ?
I’d still really like to see a Mercedes G-wagon chassis cab build. The Offroad capability is really great and the back allows you to build whatever you want.
@@DaciaProject I think the main problem with a Mercedes build is sponsorship. Not many accessory companies have the equipment so the ‘pool’ is a lot smaller to choose from. Second most Aussies have or want a land cruiser so to promote products for a land cruiser is really good business.
So I understand the ‘business challenges’ of a Merc build but man would it be something so very special!!
I know Andrew doesn’t like the single cab but that’s where the build can really be different, you extended the chassis of the cruiser...extend the cab of the g-wagon! Make it an extended cab or possibly if you really want a double cab. But I say an extended cab with access hatches on the outside. So camera gear is accessible from both inside and outside.
Then two options for the back...either a tray with canopy and standard 4x4 kit out or another camper canopy but smaller and lighter to avoid the dream tourer weight and size issue?
I’m sure Andrew would have great ideas for it and most importantly he’ll fall in love with it. But he’ll need some decent companies to work with and just don’t think there is anyone to back a G-wagon build.
I enjoy your honesty with all of your reviews. Also your attitude. You really don't care. "I've been doing this my entire life. I know how to drive and what are the good points and bad points of a vehicle." Folks today are way too sensitive and if you give them solid advice of their preconceived notion of what is right, even when they are wrong, you become the jerk or enemy. I can not tell you how many times I've told people don't do that with all my heart. They do the exact thing I warned against and get stuck, break something or really struggle. And then when you try to help them with the situation they are in they get double mad. Best is when they do it over and over again and you just sit there watching. I gave up. But after all these years you did not and it seems you make a living with this stuff. Surprised you haven't gotten dropped by the sponsors.
I don't think there is one all around perfect overland vehicle. Unless you are building a few rigs for the specific terrain and climate. The one featured would get crushed in a cold winter setting. Might even kill someone from exposure.
👍 Like you Andrew, i also built a “beast” and based on that experience i was able to learn what works and what doesn’t, i realized i needed to have a smaller footprint 🦶. But it is only thru experience i could have known; we have to build it or rent it and get out into the wild to know how we feel about our wilderness lifestyle....so many things i thought i needed, in the wild i don’t live like i do in the city....well done Andrew, i understand your approach and life is meant to be lived and experimentation is part of it.
Glad I watched the whole video. Can't wait to see what you build in the future
Are you considering waiting to see how the Ineos turns out when its finally released?
Personally I think your last Troopy was almost perfect. The full length wedge camper roof gave it the perfect balance of comfort and low bulk.
There’s no point him waiting that long I reckon. It won’t come earlier than promised, but it might be delayed, it will take some time to get any to Australia for people to buy, there will be fewer parts for it, and if you want a reliable vehicle never buy the first year of a new model.
Andrew, you know what, I follow your channel for the past 5 years, and when I saw this vehicle finished I thought that it was not the right fit for you something was off, I thought well he is in another stage in life and this is what he needs right now, so glad you are selling it and building your true nature wish is offroad overland this is what inspired me to build my rig 5 years ago thanks, and happy holidays to you and your loved ones
The David Attenborough of the Landcruiser 4x4 world. .... Just brilliant🇦🇺🤠👍
Wow!! Im really early For this one!
Absolutely live your narration style Andrew! One can tell that a lot of thought has gone into what shall go onto the video.... Unlike the younger "influencer types" who just go through the vehicle like its some type of shopping list...without nuance or pause For more "conversational" detail, eg the stock mirrors vs clearview.
Absolutely brilliant.
I will say it every single time, not being able to have a new troopy in the USA is the biggest disappointment to me in the off road world! Green with envy! I would rather spend the money on old tech any day than a new jeep
The motors have complex ECU's, DPF's and other emissions controls on them so they really aren't old tech at all. The only reason they are so popular in Australia is that Toyota and Nissan no longer make a dual solid axle wagon, if they did then you would see every Australian in a new version of an 80 series Landcruiser not a 79 series.
Hi Andrew, I hate to say it mate, but I think you need to bite the bullet and just tow. I used to be the same as you (and had a similar setup) but decided to tow a full blown off-road van (16ft) 5 years ago. It is the best of both worlds. Extra set of axles. Unhitch and set off with no restrictions then come back to your base camp etc.
The ute/camper setup was way too unstable to be taking on proper off road tracks so being able to unhook and have a very light vehicle to adventure in is so much better (for us). Then having the luxury of a van in very remote locations is also hard to beat too.
Keep the vids coming. Enjoy watching them all and watching someone with a lifetime of off-road experience.
What I like is the fact that he can be complimentary and critical of the 'big brand' builds, (Land rover and others), then applies the same scrutiny and principles to his own dream creation. That's integrity.
When Andrew was talking about the requirements of the new built he had explicitly stated that he wanted a place where he could edit his videos on the go. When I saw the Aussie dream tourer revealed I wondered where he could edit. Now he wants to go smaller. I wonder if able to edit on the road is still a requirement.
Did Andrew and wife not say there was less space to edit than in the Troopie? That's what I heard. So going 'smaller', where edit room is concerned, is not an option on the next build.
@@gotoylc I thought so too but the whole premise of the Aussie dream tourer was to be able to edit. So going smaller and still keeping the desire to edit on the go may translate to a different kind of set up than going smaller and abandoning the desire to edit on the go.
@@dimitristsagdis7340 I am eagerly awaiting the next build as you are too! I can't foresee Andrew giving up editing on the go.
@@gotoylc yeah, I think so too. Especially for long trips (in colder climates- as prior to COVID he was talking about a US your) editing will be a must. So I’m very curious to see his solution as this is something that interests me very much.
Dream tour correct , but a dream that will only ever come true for for most people if they win tatts. Maybe the next build should have a $100,000 budget.
that isn't going to buy a Toyota of any note except a prada
Thats why I like Seriously Series and Ronny Dahl. Old school camping with a tent and a fire place. I do not want an oven, hair dryer and sat dish in the outback.
@@mrcvry well you don't have to install a hair dryer or an oven.. the aim of a channel should always exceed the norm else I could just pop into my garage or my mates to show you what 95% of all tourers have. Won't make a good chann now would it
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His stories are that is interesting and not his gimmicks. .
@@mrcvry why did he insist you follow his lead? His builds are part of his stories. We've all done projects, maybe not all, that didn't turn out exactly like how we wanted. If one hasn't pushed the limits on has a very mundane life
Front opening fridge is the way to go IMHO. To stop stuff falling out, you need to have something like a piece of cargo netting etc inside the door that you can unclip....or, like you said, pack the stuff into baskets etc. The latter is what we do in our Bushtracker's fridge.
I have to agree with you Andrew about the balance between touring and off-road. That will always be a tricky needle to thread. The vehicle you have built is fabulous for touring and still good enough off-road to rescue Nissans but wont let you scratch the off-road itch enough.
Now you know and you have learnt a lot. A very useful exercise and I would be lying if I didn’t say I am salivating at the chance to see you conceptualize and create another off road centric camper. 2021 is starting to look very bright
I second this, Andrew.
I’m excited can’t wait to see the next build I know it will be epic. I’m with you I have to have a cruiser that is comfortable to travel but really good Offroad and in America the 80 series fits that bill for me
Caught a view of this at PCS a couple of weeks ago, despite looking to be built to a very high standard my initial thought was it’s just too big and heavy but probably great for touring.
My respect rose about that guy. Puring his heard into something and than admit that he was wrong not only shows character but also a high level of maturity! To find out the optimum you have overdue it sometimes in order to find the sweet spot. Great job, Andrew! Thanks for your honesty! It it is much appreciated! 👍
Definitely a tourer Andrew. Very nice tourer indeed. Personally I like more than 1 trick ponies so I understand. For me camping using well thought out Wolf Pack storage boxes and diesel Jerry cans and water cans provide the best solution. All usable and quite easy to pack and remove etc and then once camping and touring is over it all comes out easily for family duties and 4wd day trips. And let's face it most well set up dual cab utes that have a fibreglass canopy and wolf packs that go without heavy bar work and sliders etc are going to go better in 90 per cent of offroad situations than your 70 series based on the massive weight difference....which is crazy because they are IFS. Not to mention braking, acceleration, safety, fuel economy and crash protection all of which is quite compromised due to the weight of your rig. Cheers
Ps. 3 x 23 litre plastic diesel containers is so much more practical in Australia than a long range diesel tank unless you are constantly doing big trips through the desert, and you remove the containers after a big trip. Weight, weight, weight...that was your mantra I thought at one stage Andrew?
There's not a lot wrong with this rig.
It's just that it isn't the rig for you, or for your trips around Oz.
I bet if you spent 6 months crossing, say, Asia or South America it'd be perfect.
You're in the enviable position of having had an opportunity to bring together all the features most people only ever aspire to (and never achieve), and now you can consider how you might refine and condense those features into a more suitable vehicle.
Let's face it, you really want this: www.campervanfinder.com.au/hire/wa-family-troopy-3-5-berth/
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If you don't like clicking links in comments, google "WA family troopy". :-)
I am a bit relieved to hear some of your criticisms.
I think the LC and the extension are brilliant and I don't really think it's too big. But literally nothing about the Tommy Camper in this use and set up as it is makes any sense. I think there is less usable interior space in there than even a pickup with a camper topper like a Vagabond or Super Pacific in the US. Those things weigh less than 200KG too. For all this extra weight you get zero extra functionality. I also think there is too much storage space accessible from the outside. A lot of that stuff could have been inside the camper in storage you could sit on and thus increase living space. Finally the access height of everything on the outside is just preposterous. It's so unusable it hardly matters that you can easily get to anything if you then have to put it on a lower table or stand on a stepstool to use it.
A canopy with a hardshell sleeper and a walled annex to assemble in bad weather would have worked way better than this.
I hate to say it but a Ram with a camper would give the room and off roadabilty you seek.
I really wish you would just ditch the Tommy camper and give another camper module a try though. I think a normal camper with the bed pushed out farther over the cab would transform the sheltered living space. You should try it given you could probably borrow one just for one trip given the relative ease of swapping campers vs building an entire new vehicle. I was in love with this build until the camper. I will be sad to see it go so soon without another crack at it.
I respect this man's work and his uncompromising honesty. I have been following him since the early Nineties. Andrew, we have spoken before about how the privilege of overlanding has become a bloated industry. I continue to believe that the simplicity of travelling in the bush, has been compromised and undermined. This build represents my misgivings about the industry.. Too bloated, too heavy, too complicated, too overkill (even for a Tourer), too 'fancypants'. Thank goodness it sounds as if you have not abandoned your roots and I hope your next build represents that. And a big thank you for being willing to put your goons on the chopping block for our benefit.
I think that you summed up the entire episode with the roof rack, all of the new stuff with the rails and tie down points, the mounts for treds and maxtrax (how good are the original Rhino Baskets). There comes a point when we want to go and travel and we should not be discouraged from travelling simply because you don't have a redarc system or a lithium battery or a chopped 200 with a lift. These things don't dictate where you can go, what does is your ability to adapt and understand where you are and what is required. At the end of the day a standard Hilux might parked next to the 150k 79 at camp, they may get there slower and their set up might be slower but the sunsets and beers are the same. I love people that modify and innovate and thanks for the honesty in this video. Keep up the good work and safe travels
Any decent fabricator could resolve your tray bar height issue with minimal fuss and cost, and lower that heavy canopy 50mm in the process.. maybe worth doing if you plan keeping the truck for any length of time.
Andrew, I think your issue is trying to adapt your vehicle to spend time inside it when the weather is bad. That’s just not possible whilst keeping your rig small. The concept of a camper trailer is out of the question for you (but that doesn’t actually solve the problem). Best bet is to put the sides on your awning when the weather turns poor. Yes that’s a hassle, but it’s not a hassle you go through everyday.
This guy builds the best touring overlanders I've ever come across , that rig right there is my dream rig rights down to the color I've learnt so much from this guy building my 80 series ,
Open top fridges are much better when you open the door as cold air stays at the bottom!
I saw your car up on Carsales last weekend and I'm not surprised you're selling it. You never seemed quite happy with it and seemed to be trying to convince yourself that it was the right car for you. Even just minor things like trying to park it get quite tedious when it's as big as it is.
I'm looking forward to seeing what you do next!
I have always seen you as a TOURER, never as a OFF-ROADER. This is not a bad thing at all, I believe MOST (not all) of young people tend to be a HEAVY OFF-ROADER, keen to put their rigs on sticky and expensive situations. When comes to older (30...35+) they tend to focus on the destination more than on the track itself, which means, if there is the hardcore and the chicken track, they will go for the chicken track to avoid Stupid waste of money. Then comes the 50+ which will do tracks and trips based on experience an d reliability, which I believe it is you. Love your videos mate, keep it up!
The reason why I like your channel is because I can live out my fantasies through your camera lens. Its so much cheaper to learn from your mistakes then from mine. :) Thanks for the awesome content and keep it up! I also admire you and Ronny Dahl for keeping it real and being honest. I've grown to hate some other channels (247) for ALWAYS shoving their sponsors' equipment down our throats! Its not real and leaves me not listening to a word they say.
You always say you hate the Land Rover, too many sensors, electronics. Builds a rig with space station capabilities.
When a sensor brakes in a LR, it stops the car. In this camper, its a minor inconvenience.
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Come now Andrew...that’s not entirely true. On any NEW car broken sensors can do any range of things from stopping to limp mode. LR is no worse than any other.
@@marka6591 It worse when the suspension and gearbox are all interconnected by a computer running a fussy program. I've seen a Discovery trapped, the owners were being brought food by passing travellers until a man arrived 10 days later, plugged in a laptop and turned off a damaged airbag sensor. It wouldn't even go into limp mode. The owner could not engage Drive until it was fixed, which took less than 5 minutes. 10 days + 5 minutes.
@@marka6591 Totally agree.
@@4xoverland Come on, this is no different than any modern vehicle with electronics. Same thing could happen on any new 4x4. That thing you just built could have some electronic issue with the engine and shut right down until a "laptop" saves the day. You really should stop the LR attacks. Be an equal opportunity hater.
At $235,000 I cannot discern wether you actually really built it to make some coin or you were miles off deciding what it is you actually wanted.
How does one toss real money into a project before giving a "relevant" amount of thought to the outcome. Or, is it easy to go over the top when sponsors throw all sorts of superfluous junk at you and you feel obliged to bolt it in somewhere. I think I have it. Cheers and good luck unloading it.
Mmmm - advertisement for the vehicle offload?
Your honesty and being real you about what you want & do has really changed many of us on our daily lifestyle......I love being me thank you such an inspirer...
Beautiful Rig. Now where's the Jimny build Andrew?
May-be Andrew has been following Mighty Car Mods the JIMNY BUILD
Now he's starting to get worried they are getting more UA-cam KICK regards being the experts in 4xAVD (LOL) than he has getting.
Envy is a cruel master.
That would be funny! 😂
Andrew please don't take this as an offence but I thought the camper was a bit "heath Robinson". When your wife first saw the camper in the field it was obvious that she was not impressed and I share that view. With the new Land Rover Defender you shout from the rooftops about tech not being compatible with the bush. The Redarc electronics, complex water system, remote for this and that, differing lighting solutions for camper, differing lighting solutions for vehicle, the impracticality of a chest fridge that high (I am 6' 4''), et al means that this was a trial piece. If you want to go off road then this vehicle would take you to most places. You do not love it because it does not meet your personal criteria - it was a failed build. There are companies who build tray top campers in Australia for the 79 series that work better.
Ah, yes, Health Robinson. Very apt, to say there's a bit of him in this build.
I always thought Redarc sells fear to the non-engineers. There are plenty of cost effective solutions to what they are selling as a black box.
Andrew-you're fearless about making objective decisions. Can't wait for the next build.
Thanks for the video. This is the way I am going. Simple bcdc charger. 240 inverter 120 battery lithium . 180 degree awning with walls, arb double swag with camp stretcher no center bar. Thus gives me cover for swag and living area and lighter. I got the same ensuite tent. No water heater. Go bag, got s/s bucket. I have fuel containers and water tank. Got fire stand. Got removable wok dual cooker. So to cook on park bench. Now I have a cheap old van. Going to go to base. The bottle that I use wok cooker is spare for van. 120 lithium in van. Look at seek adventure removable panel bracket that looks max tracks. And more. Giving a tourer with van, leave van, simple camping out fit. I hope this make sense. It's my ideas and thanks for yours. Russell sorry, the base is going to be a dmax. Simple light
Sounds like a top set up. Nice and simple, with everything you need.
I think you missed a basic point. Is the ute-camper compromise worth it in real life?
How often do you use it as a ute? How often do you use it as an overlander? How often do you use it for driving around town, where it doesn't matter which kind of vehicle it is?
Wow ... interesting conclusion - 🤔maybe an FJ Cruiser with a small trailer - touring & 4wding in one ... ok, maybe that’s two but it gives you plenty of options 😁
I can’t imagine he would ever consider a petrol vehicle in Australia. That and he is pretty vocal about his dislike of towing.
Hi Andrew. keep on doing what you are doing. Yes, some of your set ups are too expensive, lavish for me but i still enjoy seeing what you do and what is possible. I know you can take a stock vehicle and tour and have a good time and i also know that one can spend a fortune. You push the boundaries and it is for a discerning public to get ideas from you and incorporate them into their builds. Keep up the good work and i look forward to what’re ever it is you are busy with.
Love the honesty and not trying to force yourself to like what was going to be the dream vehicle
I had a feeling you’d sell it....it’s a beautiful 4wd but it’s too “bulky” looking in my opinion......in the mean time, I’d like to say Andrew that I’ve had many many hours of enjoyment watching your videos . Keep rolling away. Happy wheeling. Steve 🇦🇺
Your truck is beautiful, too nice
Agree 100% about the fridge button on the system and yes, I have accidentally turned the fridge off remotely. In my 76, I just turn it off manually at the fridge when not used - best option agree.
hello Andrew, I'm so glad you did this video, I've been forced into retirement, watched every video on this build, have taken the plunge purchased a Jeep Gladiator to start my build, have been watching so many videos I'm standing back and just taking it to step by step slowly, but two things I'm doing is rooftop tent old school cooking and storage, the rest will come as I tour and see what I use the truck for, but one thing I'm looking at is the dealer tub or a tray! but I've got to say this Jeep has wonderful comfort and ride! the seats are 1000 KLM a day with ease.
love the videos I'm sure more people like me are now watching with C19 just not going away! all the best
John Sydney
Doesn't want to tow a trailer because it limits where you can go off road, invests a quarter of a million $ in a vehicle which was supposed to be better. Probably should have went with an off road trailer in hindsight. Would have had the capability to tour, go off road or both. And I mean off road trailer, and not a caravan, or a hybrid, or even one of those fold out tent things that you see all in caravan parks or the likes. Something like a DOT or Patriot. No doubt you could get pretty creative, especially when you look at what has been built here.
Yeah, when you consider where he's been in this rig you could have taken taken any 4WD and a camper trailer, it seems the "I won't tow" argument doesn't stack up much versus the actual use.
Honestly I hate trailers too.
But if I were him I think a viable path would be to set up the vehicle to be a one man palace of an offroader and then tow a trailer for when the wife comes along and the trip will be more for touring.
Would have been fun to see him try it out before he sold the Troopy.
Yes but won't tow but this rig is worse any many ways I have mentioned before he hasn't gone anywhere you can't take a trailer so his argument doesn't make sense.
Hi Andrew just an addition to my previous post. Something that i have been very particular about my build on my tourers. They have all been built with emergencies in mind. Can i or my wife set up, take down, operate by oneself. Most rigs in my opinion do not lend themselves to ease of operation in emergencies. ( case in point in your latest video ) In my instance, i hurt my neck and was unable to assist my wife which made me look at my set ups from then onwards in a completely different light. Now my wife must be able to do everything on her own should the need arise.
And in some cases, fairly quickly too...
Hello from USA. I was concerned about this build from the beginning. ASW had previously mentioned his concern about such a vehicle when he was considering options - in which he chose the Troopy. I am not surprised by his decision to part ways with the ADT. This is real life and I love it. ASW has always connected with his audience and kept it real. He feels more like a family member with his honestly and willingness to take us along for the ride.
I have to admit that the Troopy is my favorite vehicle of all time.
I cannot wait for the next build.
AND, if I ever invented a product, I would want ASW to test it and uncover every fatal or annoying flaw. Manufacturers should appreciate the feedback if they want to produce an extremely high quality product. With the type of access we have today, manufacturers can easily address negatives with their products and let buyers know they will be improving it based upon the feedback - so stay tuned for XXX product 2.0.
The rear of the Troopy could have been redesigned a little to give a little more space for editing. I felt there was ample room.
What a gorgeous vehicle! The colour - absolutely beautiful. Extended wheelbase - apart from its practicality - way better-looking than the standard etc.
Glad you changed to a different Tyre Manufacturer. BFG had a good run but there is no such thing as a free lunch 👍🏼
Ex-Army Unimog camper is in your price range. Amazing offroad and ample interior space.
Utterly yes !
Yes, A Mog have enough to have a shit a shower and a shave while the wife relaxes on the couch or in the kitchen.
And so easy to get parts for in remote areas.!!!!! (But it would be a weapon!)
@@davidshannon4854 . An older Mog is easier to service and repair off the grid than Andrew's new Toyota.
@@scamdemicusmaximus5109 True. But if you need parts????? At least Toyota parts are readily available.
I love how you've done 4 trips in a car that's worth probably 200k, and you're like nah I think I'll do something different 😂 I think it's safe to say you'll never build a vehicle you're completely happy with but it's fun for all of us to watch you do it!
Thank you for posting this and being thorough and honest. You just saved me a bunch of money and headaches. I have a 2007 fj cruiser and i will be leaning hard to off roader with a few simple luxuries.
Thats crazy. You just build it. I was sure that you are old enough for this but yep. The hearth need some fun :)))
Buy a motorhome and tow a Jimny 😉
You can watch TV from your couch whilst your dinner is roasting, wander off to your en-suite, then jump in the Jimny and conquer the trails/beach.
Some observations regarding Off-Road vehicles vs Overland vehicles:
Hey Andrew,
Great review as always, and very insightful and honest rather than another marketing session of which there are too many already!
I will take this opportunity to share some of my views on Off-Road (not Rock Crawl!) vs Overland vehicles:
Partially inspired by your latest LC105 build in South Africa I just completed the build out of our 20 year old 100 Series Landcruiser. Yes, it only comes with the 4.7L Petrol V8 in the US, and no it doesn't have an RTT (yet). A few weeks ago I completed a shake-down trip through Death Valley on some of the roads you mentioned in your video (Mengel Pass - Racetrack - Lippincott Road - Steele Pass - Dedeckera Canyon). For this trip I was just by myself (rest of the family had other plans), I slept on a simple platform that I rigged in the back, and the vehicle performed brilliantly. Yes, I encountered two full size trucks on the Lippincott Road (1 2500 RAM, 1 Ford F250), and they were definitely moving slower than the many Jeeps and Tacomas, but still got through. With our family of four (two teenage boys) this trip would not have been enjoyable in the LC.
Therefore I have also started a new build on an 2002 F250 4x4 crew cab short bed with the venerable 7.3L Powerstroke (yes, the one before all the emission headaches started!). It will receive a number of upgrades including a pop-up camper (spoiler alert: it won't be a FWC, although they are quite popular in the states), but more about that build another time.
I plan to keep both vehicles because they serve a different purpose. Regarding Overland vehicle setup I have learnt a few lessons from owning and building up an old 1985 F350 4x4 7.3L IDI Diesel over the course of 20 years:
- As you have pointed out in many of your videos a good suspension is key and I couldn't agree more: Eventually I upgraded to custom Deaver Springs with remote reservoir shocks, but it was still a 35 year old truck with solid axles and leaf springs. Certain setup can only be improved so much, before the changes get cost prohibitive! Since the old F350 also had a "family unfriendly" regular cab I eventually sold it to a young couple who is traveling all over North America.
- The other key point to consider is adequate power (and torque) from your engine, and a transmission and drive train that can handle all the power upgrades. Nothing is more tiring than a rig that will slow to a crawl at the slightest incline on a long trip.
- You mention maneuverability (or lack thereof) for larger overland vehicles. While they will never be as nimble as a short wheelbase Jeep, with the right steering set up, larger rigs can be surprisingly maneuverable. Some of the steering upgrades can get quite pricey, but totally worth it, if you are keeping a vehicle for a long time.
Bottom line: At least for the Americas full-size pick-up trucks make great base vehicles for overlanding as long as they are setup properly. This can be different in other parts of the world, but in the Americas lots of Forest & Park Services use full-size pick-ups and most trails are laid out accordingly.
Just wanted to share a few thoughts, and of course, like everyone else, now I am curious what you are going to build next.
Wishing everyone a good start into 2021,
Chris
Really enjoyed the video. It is good to hear honest opinion. Sometimes an idea seems better than reality, sometimes its just fun doing the build, and that's good enough as well. I am not for the electrical heating in an offroad vehicle personally, purely because of reliability and energy density. Gas has never let me down in 60 years and it is so simple.
Clearview came up with smaller mirrors recently. Might be suitable for you, Andrew.
17:20 you can use the Middle East version of the land cruiser mirrors .
Exactly, I have a GRJ 78 with these mirrors. Imported from the Middle East to Germany. The mirrors are big and stable. No problems at all.
My Troopy (GRJ 78) is just fine. Rooftop tent (iKamper Skycamp 2.0), Engel fridge, IBS Double Battery System, quality offroad modifications, no useless tech...it is an off-road-beast, a superb overlander and much lighter than Andrew's 79.
Go for a six wheeler.
Keep the wheelbase short as is,but add on a driven,but lifting rear axle.
You then have the best of all worlds,a tighter turning circle,two extra wheels,carrying and driving,a nice load bed that doesn't have any overhang.
The most important bit.
Very,Very cool looking.
I think many of your followers would like to see a built based on a Hilux or Ranger (extra Cab) and a custom made canopy with a pop up roof like the Tommy Camper, but smaller and simpler. For example in Ronny Dahls Ep 88 (The Patrol Camper). If you don't like it, sell it ;-)
Anyway, I always enjoy your content and sometimes wish I'd live in Australia as well.
A 4x4 is like a motorbike, you cant have everything in one, everything is a compromise. But from watching your shows im not sure ive seen you really test this ones ability? Im sure you obviously have just would have been great to see. Only one that comes to mind is when you got stuck in the sand and had to get the traks out.
I’ve never seen him in any extreme off roading..just flat desert or dirt
I agree with your comments about the red vision...too complicated and expensive...stick to the BCDC chargers.
Congratulations Andrew on another great video, not as entertaining as when your better half has more reality check input, but this kind of review is long overdue as the Industry behind this type of vehicle fit out this is rather afraid of any review or the slightest negative comment designed to improve or innovate the products.
I know where you are now. had my cruiser kitted out turned out weight was the enemy . Unexpectedly I latter went smaller but more capable 4WD based on a 2019/2020 GLS Mitsubishi premium, best suited as sandy costal areas being my focus . with a locked hard top which angles the super light flexible solar panels, along with lighter slides & gear under the hard top.
So essentially I’ve focused my build set up on a more modular and light weight, single awning with walls slide and annex tent etc with sacrificing a little amenity but just keeping my partner happy in comfort level, this is not an easy task and it involves much research and trial.
Good luck 😂 Happy to help if you need a list of trials and failures, I’m sure you don’t need it .
To others reading this, I’m not critical of this he’s done a superb job for a 4WD touring rig thanks a lot to his personal innovations demonstrated within this video, it is now more possible to keep GVM LOW with a high level of functionality with few exceptions to your partners 4 star list, don’t ask your local 4WD accessories place to help in this as it is not their or main stream industry focus.
Yes going GVM ultra light the camp set up & functions can take a few seconds to minutes more for most things. eg the evershower ( shower in a case).
When you think about it, like myself and many others updating via technology & innovative progression over the last 30 years in say domestic devices have upgraded from a large cabinet computers, briefcase portable mobile phones & filing cabinet speakers along with analog audio gear to the universal EarPods,iPhones, and of course the iPad Air which in my case now does 99% of my computer work, the exception being hi end video edit.
( waiting on apples M processor MacBook I’m going to use for future portable video production ) So not that the older gear didn’t work well but it’s now smaller , portable & usually lighter.
To Australia’s latest outdoor exploring acquisition, Andrew our newest and increasingly popular adventurer, you are a welcome change from the often less prepared tube productions that stumble into GVM etc whilst attempting an easy tour of Cape York often with 3 kids and a caravan.
FYI I think build process & functionality for touring is well thought out the next owner will be happy as.
Hey Andrew Re your new project, weight space etc of your camera gear although currently excellent no doubt it seems to occupy a lot of useful rear cab space, My thoughts are If you have/had the opportunity to repurchase, it could now be significantly lighter cheaper, less dedicated space & often pocket sized gear, I.E. manufacturers confidently claim it to be professionally capable , No doubt your UA-cam would not be noticeably different if it was exclusively shot on say go pro 8s,Sony ZV1 & Rode wireless mics etc, most of the new light weight setups are up there within 90% of the capability of the typical 10k set ups.
Andrew, just want to add- i think youve nailed it in this video. I was just saying to my wife “theres nothing you cant have now in a build”. Like you ive had many 4x4s. A favorite was our trakka troopie. However, i need a ute as we have horses etc. so ive bought a dual cab. I considerd chopping a 200 (as i had one), but instead sold it for the 79. So glad i did. So my “build” has to be minimalist, flexable and using the truck in its original form. Keep up the great videos. They are real. (None of this “lets smash a vehicle up to the cape nonsense”). Merry Christmas
Take a Land Cruiser 200 before production is stopped...much more comfortable than a Troopy...
LC200, too much electronics which deafeates remot Offroading. The simpler, the safer
@@rahalati but that also means you can't buy a common rail turbo diesel, now who sells/makes a mechanical diesel these days??
Most of the parts have been gifted to you and you are asking retail pricing for your rig. A bit steep don't you think?! Besides you have entered a special league. Which "normal" person can afford a $250'000 setup to go exploring and camping? Would be great if you could come up with a built which main stream people could afford and not only the rich...
Go watch any “Modified” episode.
one thing I've learned from 4WD247 is that you should not snatch/pull a vehicle using reverse because gears are not meant to take stress in reverse, and things are more liable to break. Good thing nothing happened in that clip you showed in this video :) love your channel
the ending has been super honest and surprising despite the revealing title. Though I am not a minimalist, this looks too complex to me as well. And IMHO the camera shelf was a giant waste of precious space, but to each their own! Hope you get most of your money back and continue making cool builds!
Obviously UA-cam has been good to our host. That vehicle has nearly every item you could put on it. I have a job and a pretty good one at that. I am not sure I could afford to buy all that stuff. I suppose that there are people who say " If there is a place for it I want it mounted, what ever it is". Quite frankly I doubt that many people really will have all this gear. I am sure that most of this is supplied by sponsors, if not than it must be Patreon money at work. I understand that there is a matter of convenience to the gear. This is not very realistic for the average person. Where is the fun in this really? Just another site that started with adventures and ends up as an advertisement show for off road-overland products. Gilding the lily comes to mind. In my opinion the show has lost something along the way. Certainly it has not slowed the addition of various pieces of equipment. Yes the vehicle has too many complicated systems and electronics. Superfluous indeed.
I was thinking the same thing and decided to read some comments first. At first the video was interesting and then after a while it was like whine, whine...poor me I can't get comfortable in a $150,00+ rig (most likely a lot more! ) Seriously, try going out in a sub $10,000 rig and get back to reality. This is ridiculous. The more you have the more you want and the more you realize nothing is going to satisfy. The channel has become unrealistic.