PETROL 4WD MYTHS BUSTED - are Diesel 4WDs being phased out?
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- Jock & Graham are back with another Beers in the Shed with an age old hot topic that’s sure to stir the pot… PETROL vs DIESEL! ⛽
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A topic of discussion that has been around for DECADES but is becoming even more relevant in today’s world with the rise in petrol 4WDs.
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Jock & Graham go through fuel availability, which fuel is thirstier on your rig & running costs!
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In the past, petrol used to be a bit of a dirty word in the 4WD industry - but what do you think of petrol 4WDs now? Let us know in the comments below!
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A diesel 30-40 years ago required basically no wiring and had very little emissions gear to strangle it, it’s a totally different story now. A modern diesel has just as much sensitive electronics and wiring to go bad in a water crossing as petrol and blowby combined with EGR and DPFs chokes them up. One other factor is that diesel is a safer fuel to store and carry extra in Jerry cans…
Yep old diesels make great 4wds but new ones are worse than modern petrol engines
The point was the negative aspects of petrol were always over emphasized and the simpson trip absolutely confirmed it. Petrol evaporates at a lower temp fact, however it's not what people think it is (refuelers are actually issued phones to use around all types of planes).
I have an old pushrod v8 diesel but after driving a Y62, i'm interested.
The early diesel were gutless , I bought the petrol models , I have had 3 more modern diesel but 5 years ago bought a Y62 because I was over diesels ,
@@Jacobtheunwise old diesel motors suck. They are gutless and terrible
What a load of rubbish, modern electronics are extremely reliable, and all modern engines ,diesel or petrol are so much more powerful, economical and reliable
I think one of the most common arguments that was missed was longevity of a diesel engine over a petrol engine.
I'm sold on the 5.6L V8. Previously had a V6 Amarok and loved it too.. Plenty of power still but now, no more DPF burns, AdBlue, turbo lag etc.... just raw, beautiful N/A power!!
They are a beast, and cheaper to run than a Cruiser too 😆😆
I’m a convert to petrol. Had nothing but diesels for 30 years and now in a Y62 Patrol. I believe tyre size is most Important. I run 33’s in sand and average 16 on road and 20 off. Towing a 2T trailer up the beach. Power on demand has been a new experience.
Ahhhh father and son back together again they get along so well ❤
I live in Venezuela and here is actually very rare to find diesel vehicles in general, and is no different for 4x4s. For example, all the land cruiser 70 series burn gasoline in inline 6 and v6. They are tough and strong, used and abused every day in any kind of terrain, conditions and distances. Gasoline engines are not bad, is the same with other good 4x4s, I haven´t heard anyone here thinking that they need diesel variants.
I own a 92 gq 4.2 efi petrol, my bro in law has a 91 gq 4.2 natural aspirated diesel, when we went to the cape I was using 17L/100 on the highway, he was using 13L/100, yes I have more power than his and used more fuel but my service costs are less than half that of the diesel, so that's a whole lot more petrol to go more places, go the petrols.
Bloody great to hear from Graham again, missed ya mate, love ya work keep it up 🍻🍻👍👍🍻🍻
Funny it was the opposite with me and my mate his td was thirsty and my tb was thirsty to but not as bad
Guess it depends on how heavy the vehicle is and how it's driven
what maintenance costs? in a '92 mod petrol you would have spark plugs .rotor button ,distributor cap ,leads , injectors and filters , the n/a diesel ? umm injectors and filters , same interval time/distance , maybe 4 ltrs extra oil , cant see how it was much more expensive , being n/a means it wont pull the skin off a rice custard , diesels need turbos ! brings them alive
Just for laughs, go buy what you need for an oil change for both and compare cost, just 1 example
my s/duty, 4.2tdi, gets 14 lt 100, has 700nm, td06,, 35'' tires, 4.11 diffs. tows 5t.. in 5th.. 280,000 ks, no probs..no computer, no glow plugs... german tractor engine built in brazil sold by ford.. a 7.3tdi s/duty gets 13 lt 100.. go figure..
As someone who has ridden a motorcycle all over and through Australia, petrol definitely isn't an issue. Even the remote stations have it. As you guys saw on your US trip, diesel is non existent off road there, and the tracks are harder than Oz.
More anecdotal vomit - seriously, use some data to backup your stats.
Talk about pushing your own barrows
4wdaction has become an absolute punish for anyone with half a brain
It's not about spinning wheels. Diesels traditionally had much more low rev torque which is what you want when hill crawling. And there is plenty of overtaking power in a V6 turbo diesel. Throttle controllers make it even better (for both petrol and diesel).
The TB42e 4.2 petrol engine in my dear old GQ Patrol was a cracking good engine. Stunningly good off-road.
Slap a turbo on it and they are even better all my mates sold there tds and got the lol more fun if it brakes its cheap to replace and it actually moves on the road dosent take 4 to 6 buisnes days to get to the track lol
They are underrated mate for sure.
I just sold 2 diesels, hilux and Mitsubishi. The maintenance on these diesels was just insane. Fuel savings were not enough to justify the maintenance and extra purchase cost. I bought a 4l V6 hilux, maintenance costs have plummeted, and fuel costs are maybe 5% more. Zero turbo lag, plant the foot, and she screams. Never go back to a diesel. Australians have been scammed with diesels.
Yup. I hate diesel and refuse to buy one. Petrol only.
Bleak the new Prado is missing the 1GR. I have a Prado 120 with 476000 km. She's been good to us but she's started giving us problems. It also wasn't the typical footy mom mobile. She Towed a lot, worked on our farm and travelled all over Southern Africa In some rough conditions.
What are all the extra maintanence costs you talk about?
Would have loved to get one but they didnt offer a manual v6 on the 2015+ Luxs
I keep hearing people say diesels cost more for maintenance, out of curiosity what actually cost more in term of maintenance for the diesels? All i can think of is just the fuel filter needs doing ever 30k for diesels instead of 100-150k for petrol's...
When I bought my first Jeep back in 2014 one of the main reasons was because it was one of the only 4WDs available in petrol. I also worked out that the difference in fuel usage vs the extra cost of the diesel equivalent meant that I'd need to do around 80,000km before the diesel payed itself off. On top of all that, fuel systems on a petrol are a lot less fussy about fuel quality and a heck of a lot cheaper to replace components. I've always said, unless you plan on towing at maximum capacity every day where you want peak torque lower in the revs then you don't need a diesel.
First 4wd was a 90 series prado with the 3.4l 5VZ petrol. Took us everywhere - I never had any issues with the petrol. It was simple and easy. Wouldve gone the same style in the 150 2021 but no choice - ended up with a super complex modern diesel. I'd go back to the old girl if I could buy it new
All modern cars a super complex champ. Old diesel’s included. Diesels are just more expensive and harder to access when sh!t hits the fan 🤙 had both and now two diesels and a Kluger V6 and the V6 petrol is thirsty af when towing the boat. My discovery and LDV barely notices it. That’s my biggest difference. But I love the power for the V6 petrol. And smoothness. 🤙
Had the same, 90 series VX Grande. Only issue was the power vs economy in the 4speed auto. If it was a manual, I'd probably still have it!
Get a 100 series v8, you won’t regret it.
Here in Kowanyama in FNQ the servo has run out of diesel. The closest servo is 5.5hrs away in Chillagoe on a dirt road that trucks won't be able to drive on to deliver more for 5 weeks. Still got unleaded though so out here the availability argument is reversed because everyone drives diesels. If you were to drive out here now with a diesel you might not be able to get back home
I have not paid more that $1.90L for diesel in Western Sydney all year. My modded 100 series with the 1HD-FTE manages an average fuel economy of 10-11L/100. When compared to 16-17L/100 for the V8 and the 24+L/100 for the 1FZ-FE... I think the FTE is still the motor of choice...
I think that comes down to the purchase price of the cars especially now days with FTE fetching usually 10-20k more than an fz or uz engine. Especially with the cost of a turbo, and a set of injectors along the line you just keep going backwards.
Not saying diesel isnt worth it but looking at the premium priceson a diesel, v8 1uz sounds pretty good
Love my FT converted 105 mate!
15-16L average on my 100 series petrol V8 last trip of 4,600km's. Can't complain. It has 8 cylinders.
Petrol GQ shorty carby 4.2L. Had it for nearly 20 years and never misses a beat. Only engine mod is elec ignition. A bit of extra fuel is way cheaper than paying for / maintaining a Diesel IMO. Have done a couple of shorter windscreen deep crossings and made them without problem but was nervous each time.
I’ve owned two Dmax’s and loved them, had a 300 on order and after a stuff around from Toyota I cancelled and bought a Y62 on the spot and I must say I haven’t looked back. Love it.
I have owned a 4.0 v6 petrol Toyota 79 and currently own a 4.5 v8 diesel Toyota 79. I definitely preferred the petrol. It was much more fun to drive..
Well said mate. That 4.0 l engine is much better in many ways. Bring the 4l in 70 series to Australia!
& the 4.5,s are a chunk design. too small to be a v8 diesel. nissan titan had a 5lt tdi. with starter in the proper place & 2 diffs the same width.. plus, more room, not a pogo stik ride.. 79,s got no wheel travel, there rubbish..60k for a hard riding box.. excellent.. ill keep my s/duty. 13 lt 100, 7.3tdi.. tows 5t no probs.. same economy.. trouble with toyota owners, they change vehicles everytime a new model comes out. i had a bronco for 16 yrs. never stopped, loved it.. thrashed the living sht out of it. only draw back, was down hill, being auto. steep, downhill.. best toyota, still, is the 80 series.. all garb after that.. or the nissan gu. 4.2tdi..or 4.5 gas..
Big love from Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹
In certain outback communities you couldn’t get petrol due to it being sniffed to get a high
Those days are gone.
@@jerrymyahzcat Listerine is still behind the counter in Alice...
@@southerngentleman5321 I meant the days are gone not getting petrol. They sell low aromatic stuff now out in the far reaches.
Wouldn’t they just sell the non-alcohol mouthwashes instead. And you can’t get high sniffing it.
yep they sell the low alc purple stuff on the shelf in some places (the truth about many outback Australian places is never talked about)
Jocko and Graham need more father son time
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Lol
THAT WAS ME THAT ROLLED TJE LAND-ROVER IN THE FAILS SEGMENT!
I’ve given myself an upper cut thanks Graham!! 😂😂😂
So sad to see that. I have a Land Rover too.
I wheel a 2012 FJ cruiser with the 4L petty V6 in it. Absolute weapon and super driveable. Has 200kw on tap which has gotten up every dune it’s hit in South Australia and Fraser Island. Love the damn thing!
24 litres per 100?! Yikes!
I understand that modern 4x4's have loads of towing power, but with that kind of fuel consumption I couldn't afford to take my family on a big trip.
I'll stick with the trusty old 4.2 GU thanks. 12L/100 all day long, and 16 if towing.
Well that's a bit of a surprise!! Thank you so much, some awesome vehicles and features this week - stoked to be included. :)
this time im late, i need to move the beer fridge closer to the computer
You need to move the computer to the shed
Cheers boys for an awesome episode and some awesome topics 🍻
Loving the Next Gen Raptor with the petrol
Sick of DPF issues on my last 2 diesels
Only 4K on the clock and moving it so far, and no heavy off road yet and I don’t need to tow
Just got myself a VD30 02 Navara and absolutely loving it. Can' wait to chuck an aftermarket ECU on it and get a proper tune on it and it'll be the best 4x4 i've had.
I run a 1997 GMC Yukon 4x4 5.7ltr petrol for heavy towing .I paid under $12,000 for it. Has just turned 93000 genuine miles. I can use a lot of petrol before I get close to the purchase price of a Ford Ranger . Have no problem towing 3.5 ton wherever I need to go. Comes standard with 300hp and a 36” wide 5 core radiator, All Galvanised panels ,Leather trim, electric fwd , LSD front and rear, Rancho 9000 adjustable shocks + override air bags, running 31s. Extremely comfortable ride. Running cost is close to my old 3 ltr turbo diesel towing the same load. Very happy with my choice.
Our 2009 Defender averages 12 l/100km, rising to 14-15 when towing our caravan. My BIL's 80 series uses 16-18.
I’ve got an original factory TRD 4.0l petrol supercharged Hilux and it’s a weapon off-road
My y62 is averaging the same as my zd30 GU just with an extra 300hp 😅
I still like the diesel torque offroad but would always choose a modern petrol over a modern diesel due to the issue plagued emission systems on modern diesels and service costs
My first 4wd track was in an fj40 petrol. In 35years of 4wding I've owned 3 x 4wd all petrol. Still have one. Been all over Aus, river crossings etc never had a problem.
Awesome video as always Jocko and Graham. Can’t wait for all the epic adventures this season.
I’ve got the 2020 Y62 and I brought it in Sydney and drove it to Townsville I’d get about 1000kms out of a tank on the highway not towing and now driving around town I’d get about 700 km around town
Great video! So many people in the US think they want a diesel pickup like a Tacoma (Hilux). But they’ve never driven one to see just how painfully slow they are. Pretty much every highway is 70mph (110kph-ish) speeds, most are higher. The diesels in midsize pickups just don’t have enough at those speeds to have any extra passing power. Most of them would disappointed if they had one here. We had the Chevy Colorado diesel and there’s a reason it only lasted a few years and it wasn’t emissions.
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I went from a N80 Hilux to a 2023 Y62 for towing. Obviously, there's no comparison........Ones a beast, and the other was a Hilux..........
I did a LS swap in my 80 series and obviously more power and better fuel economy than the 1fz-fe ever was
Having gone from a petrol to a diesel fourby (both 20-25 years old) i would definitely go back to running a petrol. Sure I do 7L/100km better in the diesel but that cost of fuel has been cancelled out by the cost in diesel repairs.
Diesel parts cost so much more than petrols: turbo, fuel pump, injectors are all huge cost items but there’s nothing on a petrol that’ll cost half what any of those big ticket items would
All my old Toyotas are petrol been in the vic high country for 39 years ,all my mates have diesels but still flog fuel for there chainsaws LOL I personally love petrol
I've never owned a diesel and recently just changed out from a TJ Wrangler to a 95 series Prado both have been great vehicles and yes can be a bit thirsty but for the purchase price you can't beat it
Considering nearly no modern petrol has a distributor anymore and a common rail diesel has way more sensitive fuel system components than a petrol its pretty much break even on water crossings until you swap it. Nearly always you can pull the plugs on a petrol clear the cylinders, swear a little, pray a little and it'll light back up again. Swamp a common rail diesel you'll lose your sanity trying to get the injectors out trail side when you do if it doesn't crank your done, it's repairs expensive enough to wright the car off time.
Another thing people dont think about is many diesel tanks are vented to the atmosphere. Submerge the tank for long enough and theres a whole tank of fuel contaminated with water
Ahh, this is a fun one. Over here in the US as you guys may have noticed, diesels are quite a bit more rare to see on the trail. when you do see one, its a decent chance of being a conversion from a petrol engine. I swapped in a 1.9 VW TDI into a Suzuki Samurai,. the one advantage I had with the diesel is that its governed by the injection pump rather than only human controlled. You could leave your foot off the accelerator and let it idle, then as you start loading it up the governor would maintain RPM. it would even start to build boost in the right conditions with no driver input! combine this with the incredible responsiveness of a diesel and it made technical tight driving in rocks easier. Now, there were downsides. Cost was insane. on-highway performance was the same or less than the other common engine swaps. gearing in the transmission, transfer case and axles were incorrect for a diesel and no way to improve it without some serious cash. I'll tell you this; i sold that rig and bought another. the new one will not be getting a diesel, but rather a petrol.
Sand or mud, go for a petrol as you'll thank the wheel speed for getting you out of a bog or up a dune. Rock crawling and off-cambered ruts, go for a diesel, as you'll thank the torque down low in the rev range to pull you up and over obstacles at a slow and controlled pace. Towing, go for a diesel. Mostly city driving, then go for a petrol. Unless you do many kms per trip, then the fuel price and consumption savings a diesel can get you can be outweighed by its higher maintenance costs.
Modern turbo petrol have torque down low. Mine starts at 1750rpm.
@@jerrymyahzcat Yeah I think they do these days, whereas petrols of yesteryear were really gutless on the low end.
It would still be less torque down low in the petrol compared to a similar size diesel engine
my 2UZ V8 petrol crawls up and down with low range. Cant say it does it worse than my previous Diesels did.
@@MrHarey31 yes because in similar size engines the diesel will have more torque overall (Nm) while the petrol will have more power (kW).
A point i feel has been missed, in the outback alot of farms have on station fuel stores in decent amounts for tractors and other items, it was common to have a diesel vehicle so you could also fill up to travel around the property. Pumps, generators etc where in much lower quantities.
I'm getting 10 - 11 litres per 100 with my GQ TD42T and living it!
Been driving an FJ Cruiser from 2013 with 167000K’s. GVM upgrade, snorkel & a bar. I tow a Jayco and when I need to pass a roadtrain - no probs. Love it.
last time I was in Licola petrol was $1.90 and diesel was $2.57. my tb45 loved it
In the U.S. almost nobody wheels with diesel. Jeep just came out with their first diesel a year or two ago and I think I can count on one hand how many I’ve seen.
Diesel is more of a work horse in the US. Plus they are heavy
petrol is cheap in the US compared to Aus
US emissions laws really stop diesel manufacturing tbh
You need the other hand to count how many times the motor has been replaced under warranty
Might be the first time they've done a diesel wrangler in the U.S. but Jeep have been selling diesel wranglers in other countries for decades
When buying my 100 series 5 years ago here in NZ I was in this exact situation to decide between diesel and petrol. I was set on the FTE until I started working out the cost compared to the 2UZ. Yes the petrol uses 4-5 litres more fuel but servicing cost was almost half and the initial vehicle cost for the petrol was around 15k less than the diesel. Took both for a drive and the 2UZ blew the FTE away in standard form. I could not see where the extra value for the diesel was. All I found was the very image portraying people were the ones saying the petrols are no good and need to get a diesel to be proper 4by… oh I feel so sorry for those people
2 years ago, no petrol at Lyndhurst SA at the start of the Strezlecki, only Diesel
You guys make so many great points, especially the crossing of deep water. The other benefit of a petrol in a water crossing is if it hydro locks, you are less likely to bend rods & destroy your motor due to the lower compression. They are also easier to drain afterwards.
I recently did an engine conversion to my 2004 GU because the ZD30 died. It was cheaper for me to fit an LS1 V8 than it was going to be to rebuild the 3L diesel. My LS GU uses more fuel than the ZD30 around town, but when towing it shits all over it, & has the power to safely overtake. When out wheeling, the fuel usage is within a few litres of my mates ZD30.
Bigger issue isn't petrol vs diesel. It's about regulating 4wds out of existence for the average Aussie. Costs go up, access goes down, people walk away. As always, it's for our own good.
I have a 97 Toyota Prado v6 5 speed manual 4x4 and is very good on fuel love it
Australia runs on diesel last time I checked trucks run on diesel
Graham how are you doing these days, haven't seen you for a long time... Bless you, live long and prosper....
Lol he's obviously just sitting on his ass at home
Always great to see father and son doing a vid together. Funny video from the states. The option for a diesel 4x are almost nil. And the ones that have come out got cancelled due to issues. Just not a thing here in the states. However I wish I could get an engine that sounds as good as the 30!
One thing I'd like to see is the outtakes after the regular episodes and probably even the outtakes from the off grid series.
I have a chipped 4.0 V6 petrol Navara 4x4 in South Africa. Would not change it ever!
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Cunnamulla is close to my hometown of Thargomindah. I used to go to school on Cunnamulla, have family still there. Miss being out in south west Queensland Thargomindah i miss it .
To me as long as it gets me bush i don’t mind at all! I always get asked why did i get a 1FZ 80 but with almost half a million kay’s on it,it is honestly a great engine and i love it!
Something that wasn’t discussed, compare the weight of the 4 cylinder diesel 1kd engine in the n70 hilux to v6 petrol 1grfe engine - a lot of people would assume a v6 would be heavier, but try 70kg lighter… that’s a whole lotta extra payload capacity
120 Prado with the 1GR-FE, giddy up!
In the old days ...diesels would run on steep slopes unlike carbies, diesels went further on a tank, diesels were more economical, diesel was cheaper per litre, diesel was easier to get, petrol went off when stored for long times, diesel ran under water, diesel had better torque down low.
I am in the States and was comparing the Amarda (USA Patrol lite) and the Grand Cherokee Trailhawk Ecodiesel. I ended up going with the Ecodiesel only because of the unladen mileage. The Nissan was only going to do 18MPG US at best vs, the 28MPG on the Jeep.
It would be a dream to have a chance to hit some tracks and have some beers with you two, you two cracking eachother up cracks me up. I've watched you guys in canada for the past few years, just moved to perth a month ago and can't wait to get a proper 4x4 and get out there.
For those who say petrol can’t tow, I 100% agree with Graham. I would only tow with petrol.
The only reason the top 3 selling vehicles are diesel is because as you say, you can’t get them in petrol. But 4x4s and Utes are slowly coming out in petrol - Raptor. And the big U.S. ones.
Petrol is King.
Dunno about WA but those Spotties on top of the bull bar are highly illegal in QLD. Lights must not protrude forward of the bar or above the bar, unless they can’t been seen over the bonnet (say on a low nudge bar).
Every state has different rules for lights.
@@tareskisloki8579that’s why I said dunno about WA. And that it’s illegal here in QLD. I deliberately didn’t mention other states or territories.
@@jerrymyahzcat Lights above the bullbar illegal in Victoria too.
Diesel have the best fuel mileage longevity and torque for towing. I hate what the government is doing with the diesels with all this emissions crap I’ll keep my old diesel.
I had a 1KZ Prado in Botswana. And a 1HDT 80 here in Miami. Old diesels are king in this house. 😊😁😆😉
Graham, Next time someone asks about a Y62 fuel economy, give ‘em this chestnut…”100 smiles per Gallon”!!😂
i here 26 lt 100..bs y62, ifs crap.. a s/duty, 7.3tdi , gets 13 lt 100, in a 4t truck.. jap sht is sht..plus, the s/duty, will tow 10t, with same economy.. as they do in u.s..
Petrol for me. I had my ever reliable turbo diesel prado for 12 years with many beach trips and never missed a beat, I loved that car. Took the plunge and bought a Y62 a year ago and it’s a totally different experience, great power, effortless on the beach. Get about 16l per 100 on the road and 20 on the beach or towing. Petrol and y62 for the win.
I should mention every service on the Prado for the last year I had it was costing $1000 minimum.
Interesting you didn’t cover service costs specifically. Diesel twice as often and more expensive each service. Graham touched on it but it’s very relevant
If you get the right modification i don't think petrol vehicle's are bad for 4wd off-roading ....
Petrol cars are objectively better at 4x4. If you don't consider cost.
Well I'm a bit of an old school 4wder, always had diesel( running a 2013 Mazda BT50 XTR dual cab, absolutely love it, tows my off road hybrid van no problems, but the way things are going love Graham's Y62, maybe that's the way to go 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️, we will see, love the beers in the shed, keep them coming boys.
The last of the petrol V6 Hilux, Trion etc are the way to go. No catch cans, no EGR blanks, no secondary filters, no DPF, no splitting intercooler hoses. Change oil every 15k and send it
The mitsi petrol v6 is bulletproof. In the triton and the pajero, ive rarely seen any with issues unless it literally has not been maintained in its life
15k too long..less than 10k, as oil is sht.. specially synthetic.. oil, filter same time. CI4. or better. shell T4.. 15k??.. fk that..
Hi Guys, I own a lc300 and I tow a 20ft van it is a absolute rocket ship. The litres. Per hundred when towing is 15lt per 100
Happy to see the penny has finally dropped, I never understood the how a lack of power and revs was great for overall performance. Currently have a ram trx (6.2 supercharged) weighs 3100 kg plus towing a 3050 kg van. average 21.5l/100, what hills...
Got a 1989 2h 60 series sitting waiting as a project. Wasnt started for 5 yrs. Replaced the hand primer. New battery. Kicked it over and it ran straight away. I bet if i let my 06 hilux sit 5 yrs it wouldnt start. To many electronics that wouldnt survive i’m guessing. Thats what i like about the old diesels. Simplicity.
Octane rating... Carry octane booster as a back up
I run a 200 series with the 4.7 petrol. I tow with it daily and go off road with it too. It is a smooth drive and it is cheaper to work on and purchase than the equivalent diesel. The main reason I go petrol over diesel though is, I like it and it sounds awesome.
I have a f150 , Colorado and New Raptor ranger , the f150 tows like a monster. Towing same horse trailer with colorado its doing 36L per100, f150 does 23. Cheaper to service. Safer smoother, Raptor also tows well. Still love my diesels though given my hino truck runs around 18L per 100 at 10ton on long runs. Keep up the good vids fellas
Myself and my daughter have 60 series Land Cruisers, mine a FJ with 3F hers a HJ with 2H. We went from SA to FNQ a couple of years ago, all loaded to gvm, both on "33, the difference in fuel use was around 2 to 4 litres/100 depending, but no more. But then there is service costs, the 3F is much cheaper and less frequent than the 2H.
When we got to Qld she had a bad batch of fuel and the thing was smoking black crap bad, needed new filters, injector cleaner etc. I bought a litre of metho. In the end there is actually very little difference in between the two. Apart from the 3F having more power. The 3F has done more than 700k km 60% on LPG. The diesel around 400k km.
If I had a choice, I would have gone for a petrol 4-wheel drive in my last purchase. I had a 1990 Hilux 2.4L for 20 years and it never not got me where I wanted.
We have a Suzuki GV 2.7l v6, been through the vic high country without a problem, windscreen deep water crossing, tows our camper no worries, but did run into Bollon on empty only to find no petrol only diesel
If the concern of octane rating, you can always fill 91 and use octane booster.
A massive welcome Jock to the Land Rover club it’s the only club in the world where owners 100% support each other world wide 😂😂😂
Toyota stopped the V6 in the Prado in Australia for some reason.
I had one in a 120 series, and it had the berries.
The new 250 and 300 series LC should've had a petrol option!
Why didn’t they talk about maintenance/break down or bush repairs for diesel and petrol?
Good point modern common rail diesels are expensive to repair and on maintenance
@@bobmarli6095I own a d22 Navara that's just over 10 years old
Injectors are quoted at over a thousand dollars for a set
The highest octane gas/petrol that we can get here in the States at a regular filling station is 93, 89, and 87. Some farming co-ops have higher or Av. Gas is 110 low lead. Those choices are very expensive.
i’m living in japan at the moment, due to the emissions we don’t get much diesel choice, so i bought a petrol 70 series, to be honest the GRJ76 is just as good as the VDJ76 i drove back in melbourne
Just bought a diesel grenadier, but the petrol drives nice too.
Greame you say that you haven't come across a remote fuel station that doesn't have petrol, I've just done the gibb river road and only had 1 station that had unleaded. Barnett river was the petrol we could get on the track
Emission restrictions are killing both petrol and diesel. A lot of people are worried about the cost of omponent failures of these newer vehicles outside the warranty period. I'm not sure leasing a new 4wd every 3 or 4 years is better for the environment than our 23yr old hilux....
Bad engineering is killing vehicles
Engine braking, or more specifically lack of it in petrol compared to diesel when coming down steep greasy tracks.
Good discussion. The Y62 is great to expose the myths. Old school diesel, sure simple and reliable, modern the opposite vs petrol.
They do call them common fail for a reason.
I have had diesel and petrol 4wds now I got a v6 120 pardo smooth power and can't be more happy with her
One consideration is RPM when crawling a petrol will need higher RPM to get to a reasonable output, this can be mitigated with lower gearing but something to be mindful of.
Modern turbo petrol gets low down torque. My peak torque starts at 1750rpm.