I’m Gay, I stopped dating 15 year olds when I was 15. It’s not homophobia it’s grooming and completely predator. Even at the age of 30, what interest would I have in dating an 18 year old? It’s not “normal” in the gay world, how would he know? it’s only normal in the world of abuse and unbalanced power dynamics across all orientations. The homophobia is coming from inside the house Phil.
Yeah, though the age of consent is 16 in the UK, when you're dating someone with such a huge age gap you're denying that young person the chance to grow and develop in relationships with people their own age. At the very least it's unethical, and at the very worst borderline abusive. *Edited to correct the age of consent, I always thought it was 18. 16 blows my mind, many people haven't really fully matured by then and the idea older people in their 40s and 50s would want to sleep with someone that young is extremely uncomfortable, I don't give a fuck what people say.
@@JOXCY the age of consent is 16 in the UK. Which is why he keeps peddling the line “it was unwise but not unlawful” Still morally bankrupt regardless. The fact his brother was sentenced for molesting little boys the same year just makes the whole situation even darker.
I think to say there isn't a culture within the gay male community of older men dating considerably younger men than themselves is a bit of a fib, there definitely is, it's not that uncommon at all, and by younger I mean younger not underage, though I believe there was a fair number of gay men who sighed relief that it wasn't them in the spotlight when Phil got called out. Phillip isn't grasping that unlike other age gap relationships with other gay men, he knew this kid for such a long time which made the whole thing disturbing.
I refuse to watch it so I'm happy to see discussions like this because it allows me to be able to stick to that. Phillip Schofield's arrogance is astounding.
I think we were all blown out that their was little genuine pain for his wife and family who stuck by him. Now he’s still all about himself. An incredible narcissist who would do the same again
I still do not understand what he has done wrong, apart from being unfaithful to his wife. The young fella was not underaged, so what was the problem then?
@@subraxasARE YOU FOR REAL ?? HE STARTED GROOMING THAT YOUNG BOY AT THE MEAR AGO OF 14.. PLEASE COULD YOU DO SOCIETY A FAVOUR AND GO AND PLAY ON THE M6 PLEASE 👍👍👍
@@subraxas "Young fella" was fourteen when Pip met him. Some people call it grooming - the long game, with manipulation of an impessionable or vulnerable person by use of a position of superiority. Oh, and he's a liar. And, to top it all, he's not a very nice person. Are you also a fan of Barrymore?
So many people throw in the word narcissism on too broad a basis. Not the correct word I'm afraid for his particular pity party. What I can say is that surprisingly I managed to watch his three episodes but six minutes into this feature and I'm out. Talk about self importance to make one's own bread and butter.....
I am a gay man in my early 40s - and resent Phillip Schofield so much. He has perpetuated an awful stereotype of ‘the predatory older gay man’ which simply isn’t representative of me and my fellow middle-aged gay friends and it infuriates me, because he has lived a life most gay men couldn’t and wouldn’t live. He simply doesn’t represent the majority of gay men! Yet straight people will be saying “well of course, you know what they’re all like.” Over the years, he has presented himself to be catty, bossy, unlikeable - I just think he’s very selfish and not a nice person, and I hate that he continues to have a public platform - he needs to get a quiet little job somewhere behind the scenes, live a humble quiet life. I have a few gay friends, some single, some enjoying long-term committed relationships (one couple having been together for 24 years now). WE DATE AROUND OUR AGE - why? Because most people want someone to relate to, someone who knows what it’s like to care for an ailing parent, loose a parent, have made mistakes, learnt tough lessons - most people look for someone who will understand them, how is someone half my age going to understand me? And even sexually, what on earth do I have in common with someone in their 20s? Physically, I want someone to have experienced the middle-age like me and again, to relate to where I am on my life's journey both mentally and physically. Phillip’s brain is not representative of most gay men. Phil played mentor to a young person and then allegedly got into a relationship with them when they came of age - that doesn’t sit right with me, ethically - nor did it sit right with the gay friends I keep. He is so unlikeable (his sassy and superior attitude in a car-crash interview with a medicated Kerry Katona springs to mind) he has never come across as genuine, warm or relatable. I resent him and this attempt at a career comeback. I want to see positive representations of gay men on television, not narcissists with victim-syndromes.
@@jayne1126 that doesn't equate to proof of anything though, you would need to actually conduct studies and do research rather than 'some old guys contact a friend/relative'. If you were an older gay man who liked to have it on with younger gay men (and that could be anything from 24-34 mind you) then you would go on dating apps like grinder! And therefore.... All of them are on grinder, and therefore you see a disproportionate amount of them. I'm not saying this isn't true or this isn't a phenomenon. But I would also point out that this happened whether you are gay or not. And older women also take part in it, to what extent, again, I do not know. What I do know is that a lot of closeted older men on hook up apps hook up with younger men to 'live out their fantasies' that they couldn't when they were younger. It's pretty sad really. People who feel they can never come out and have a family. I feel for their wives a lot. In those situations, everyone's a victim of Queerphobia, which is still strong nowadays. If they had been able to come out no one would be in that situation.
@@jayne1126 Dating apps are where predators (and sad, lonely old men) tend to gather, though. You're getting a skewed impression of the gay community by only going off dating app info. If you did the same for Tinder, you'd think the majority of all straight men just send unsolicited pics of their genitals to women or ask for nude selfies and then throw a tantrum when women refuse.
Men are men, heterosexual or gay. As a hetero man I was groomed by two gay men, with a massive disparity in age. I appreciate that not all gay men are like Schofield, however, stereotyping IS a thing, and the predatory gay older man is most definitely a reality, sorry. Hetero men would definitely do it, but other men find it disgusting also, and history has shown this - even the ancient Greeks, who had a reputation around these things. In modern Britain gay men get a ‘pass’ over such things in the media, precisely because so many gays work in this industry. Schofield may not represent you, but her does represent gays in entertainment, the media and a number of professions. And it IS a phenomenon which is distinctively gay.
Poor me, poor me, pour me another. He got found out, he screwed up, abused his position and lied to those around him. He was the architect of his own downfall, but seems to blame others. If he's not been asked to do I'm A Celebrity, then he really is persona non grata, esp when you see some of the "so called celebrities" asked to appear on that waste of screentime.
Yeah. I have no problem with him being in a relationship with someone much younger than him. Love is something nobody should judge others on. But his behaviour was creepy. Lying about it to his colleagues, because he knew it was a terrible look, rather than just being a grown-up about it and saying "screw what people think, I love him, I'm gong to be honest about it." I know it's difficult for a gay celebrity to be truly honest about their lives when they're going to be constantly picked apart by the media and the revolting elements of our society, but I look at Stephen Fry, who married his much younger partner. He went through hell getting himself to the point where he felt safe to announce their relationship, but because he was honest with his friends and colleagues, they all had his back. I do think Richard's point about how you treat people around you was remarkably interesting. Nobody apart from the usual suspects cared that Stephen was marrying a much younger guy, and we didn't care because we know (we hope) Stephen to be a nice guy. But Schofield wasn't a nice guy. He lied o everyone, and god knows what he put the poor guy he was dating through by constantly swearing him to secrecy because Schofield was more scared about his job than about his partner's happiness and safety.
I think the show would have been much better if Holly Willoughby arrived at the island a day later and hunted him down with a Bear Grylls pocket knife.
I can’t stand Hollie she’s so fake and didn’t even support her so called best friend She just wanted to stay on too As when her husband who earned 4 million as a hold per yr had the cheek to claim furlough for months Like he needed the money I’ve always found her fake and never genuine Hope Phil stays on the island 🏝️ with no crew
Intestedting that Schofield has been given an opportunity to give his side of the story but the lad was made to sign a NDA … so we will never have the other side
@@MrsBillings2001 there is no proof of this NDA, it's all gossip at this stage, but if he wanted to speak out, he's had years to do it. He could have gone to the papers at anytime. He hasn't. You seem to think that Philip is some devious groomer, but not clever enough to get his 'victim' to sign an nda before now? You're having a laugh.
@selenacaemawr or maybe I just don't jump to conclusions when there there is no evidence to support something or let any prejudices get in the way of facts. It's like saying every man who plays Santa at Chrostmas must be a groomer because he wants kids to sit on his lap all day....
Agree about Scholfield. He should stay on that island. 😂 I went to the Van Gogh immersion experience (Beyond Van Gogh) in Liverpool in July. I have to say, I loved it and found it very moving. It is so easy to say we should just get on a plane to have exciting experiences but that isn't possible for those of us who are disabled/chronically ill and struggling to make ends meet, We would love to be able to have that level of privilege.
I saw a disabled girl review it. For those who couldn't get up the stairs they were ushered behind a curtain to a space that had a video playing and some van gogh colouring sheets. Being a little ambulatory she ditched her chair and hauled herself up the stairs to see the rather underwhelming spaces with elements of his paintings projected onto the walls and ceilings. It looked really crap. Less crap than the dreadful experience wheelchair bound ppl got though.
The biggest narcissist, oh wow me. Philip blames everyone else but not take responsibility for his grooming of a 12 year old boy. He threw so many people under the bus. Plus they all had to sign an NDA. Shameful man, he can’t stop talking about it!
He was NOT a 12 year old boy, he was an adult and capable of thinking for himself. Be very careful; you could end up in court for making such a comment.
@@buzzukfiftythree Pretty sure they said the lad was 10 in that photograph, whether they met or not is unclear, that said, Philip Scofield was a patron and there isn''t a lot of people in the photo.
So happy to find people on UA-cam who speak their minds without putting blowtorch of ‘propriety’ on their words to avoid UA-cam’s bizarre strictures and demonetization. Thankyou!
It's not my business if anyone comes out as gay. It's not by business if anyone wants to take a much younger lover. What does concern me is someone in the public domain abusing his position of power. What does concern me is when anyone blames everyone for their shortcomings but themselves. I've always been completely indifferent to Schofield but I watched all three episodes. He was full of bitter, twisted resentment calling others toxic, saying he was thrown under the bus. He is the toxic one. He threw himself under the bus. His defence of - he's not doing anything different to other people - was childish. This show was about him. If he had been humble, shown remorse for how his behaviour has impacted on others....if he had focused on his recovery and what he is putting into place to improve himself he may have found some sympathy from viewers. But heck.....he burned every bridge possible with as much venom as he could. I don't think we need to see him on British TV again!
A genuine question - how did he abuse his position of power? By getting him a job on This Morning?- he wasn't doing anything different to anyone else. It he was straight and it was a younger woman, the paper wouldnt have forced him to come out and it wouldnt have been anyone's business. Then allegations were clearly thrown around, that made it into something far more sordid than it was. So he lied to his work colleagues about his private life? So what? Do you tell your work colleagues everything? The fact that you think he should be humble, show remorse, recovery, improve himself... for what? If you think of every person or couple that had affairs during their time on Strictly, and there's alot of them,Why didn't they have to do the whole mea culpa, forgiveness beg, for how their behaviour and actions impacted others?
He held power in the media - specifically in the programme he was working on - as he was a presenter who draws public interest. He abused the position because he brought a young person, with whom he had a professional relationship, into the spotlight by entangling himself with them romantically. This causes a big problem for ITV because they now can't fulfill their duty of care towards their junior staff member - a massive breach of trust between Phil, ITV and the young employee. None of this is to say it is also obviously creepy to be hitting on and sneaking around with a 17(?) yo at work when you're married with kids. I think the worst damage seems to have been self inflicted as he was caught lying and appealing to the defence "everyone else does it" ( ie. Accusations of homophobia, "it's not illegal"). As they pointed out in the podcast, he showed how powerless he was in many ways as no one came to defend him in the end. He did fail to protect his "friend" from damaging their career and bringing them into the publics attention and needs to take some accountability for that given his profession and personal relationship with them.
Noone is forcing him to perform a mia culpa.. he just works in a job where image does matter - so he likely won't work until his image is laundered. His desire for legacy and redemption is a luxury no one owes him.
I agree in general but there is also a duty of care and responsibility for senior and public facing employees to protect juniors. The big dereliction of responsibility is lying about it and then blowing it up into a large news story. That is I think what most people mean by 'abuse of power' in this context.
I've always "loved" this kind of disparaging quotations that usually tend to be used by self-assured, judgmental smart-XXXes AS IF they and the wisdoms they bear were meant to be applicable for all people, for all superficially akin situations and states, "miraculously" taking into account all the possible variables the life can and does present us with. Yeah, "as if"! At the end of the day, these 'quippy' quotations are often very good for the so-called "average Joes" to feel clever and superior about themselves. That's like their main contribution to the society, I dare to opine.
Absolutely banger episode. Marina was on one, "we need to talk about Kevin", "Edgelord of the Flies" and calling out This Morning on their lack of relevance. Great stuff.
Phil needs to get into his head we don't wake up on a morning and wonder how Phil Schofields doing ,your not on anyone's mind but this show proves you want to be on everyone's mind ,Phil you did a job and when you leave any job your soon forgotten.
Totally. The reason Holly Willoughby was mocked for her ‘are you okay?’ question was because she shares the same self importance as Schofield, if little else these days like their phone numbers! That she thought it was a moment everyone would watch and care about is delusional. They both seem to think a bland, inconsequential daytime show watched by no one who works, is of great import. Quite where they got that idea, I don’t know.
I remember when he first came out as gay. Because I've never watched This Morning or particuarly liked Holly or Phil, I had no idea about his private life and genuinely thought he was already out! I was stunned to learn he was married with almost adult kids!
What’s worth considering is that paedophilic men who like to fiddle with boys aren’t actually gay. Philip only came out as gay when his brother was about to go on trial for underage relationships with boys. And Philip has remained married to his wife with whom I would say he is sexually attracted to in a heterosexual way.
It is strange that Philip Schofield who was the star of a low rated daytime show that, perhaps, only two per cent of the population ever watched and of those, I suspect, many found him rather creepily self important, so why does he think anyone cares less about him or his future. Many ordinary people lose their jobs from no fault of their own and have to suffer in silence. Schofield should come to terms with the fact that nobody needs him and nobody cares about him.
The fact that these characters believe we the public still want to watch them, says everything… I just think I would slink off to obscurity and get on with a quiet life, rather than keep reminding people what a slime ball i am
@@JariTime01if people don’t watch him the channel 5 won’t be able to screen it for long , though I suspect some will, I don’t know where there heads are and I don’t know how schofield dare, it’s quite sick really
Being a 71-year-old man from the UAS, Taskmaster is the best show I've seen in a very long time. I have rewatched all episodes several times and still see new things. Love so many British shows.
There's some taskmaster boardgames out that are great for a family party. Or you could honestly make up the tasks yourself/ get ideas from the internet. You'd be surprised how inventive family members can get when they get competitive and have a drink 😂
His defenders keep pretending that didn't happen and say that when he meet him when he was 15 it was at a school with lots of other children. I strongly suspect it is paedophiles covering for the behaviour of others.
G'day from Australia. Just got onto your pod last week and have binged non stop. Great show. I love the Questions show, the Answers Show and The Questions and Answers Show. 😂😂😂
PS has no understanding of why his behaviour is unacceptable . The desert island programme was a study in narcissism . The DARVO is off the scale ,he denies hes done anything wrong ,is aggressive and makes himself the victim rather than the offender.The lack of empathy for those his "unwise" behaviour affected. is astonishing He groomed a teenager from a position of power and that person lost their dream job. thats repugnant to most people. His smutty inuendos were cringeworthy, Every time he said poor me ,i thought about the poor young man who lost everything because of PS.......
@@CheeCheeMcFee Hi. Yes, the episode is entitled "How Will Smith Saved His Career After 'Slapgate' & The Secrets of TV Debates" and is about halfway in.
I’m a HUGE believer in redemption, always believe in giving people the opportunity. But when you have abused your position of power and influence in any form you should not be given any kind of platform again. There are other ways to redeem yourself, none need to involve being on TV or any other form on mainstream media. Which of course is all he’s interested in because there’s zero protection in social media and he doesn’t want to be challenged for his behaviour. I won’t be watching him, as far as I can see there’s no contrition, only regret at finally being held (sort of) accountable.
like panicing over technology, sixth form rants about landlords and spewing nonsense about tech leading to the end of society shrieking and sneering is what she does
The world of TV is not unlike Westminster - detached from the real world, a school for arrogance, and a culture which will always turn a blind eye to indiscretions.... until you do something stupid and threaten to bring the house down. After 40 years in that environment, Schofield has fallen for it and the worst thing he could have done is take part in a show where the spotlight is solely on him, warts and all. I hope he's right and this is the last thing he does on TV. He's got enough money to give him a comfortable life, however long that may be. Fade away, son. Fade away....
The icing on the "detached from reality" cake that they consume is their televised award shows. Don't just watch us congratulate each other for doing work that we got paid for but hear us give a speech about it too.
I would rather watch the paint dry on my newly painted landing window sill, than watch mr scofield, I'm even struggling to listen to this talking about him
Not only had he had an affair, but he had hidden his sexual proclivities from the person he was supposed to be closest to in the world: it's like being kicked in the teeth twice. The sudden realisation that the person you thought was your life partner/soul mate has been hiding the desire to have sex with someone who is so much younger and of the same sex must be very hard to come to terms with.
None of what you said to start with matters thats his Business WHAT MATTERS Is he met the feller at 12 & Groomed him if you then believe he waited till hes 18 your mad
Yes for me it is the underage thing that is the most important thing. By far. I am less worried about him being gay or unfaithful to his wife. This kind of thing is so common, but maybe you have to be a bit more careful when you are a huge public figure. Grindr is chock full of married men having secret gay affairs. If only people knew! But the underage thing is the unforgiveable part.
@@tomwilko7841 - I'm not saying you're wrong - I don't know one way or the other - but really? Do you know this or are you assuming it for some reason.
Destroys his entire family pretending to be straight his whole life and lying to his wife and kids then nuking everything by coming out. Grooms a teenager and eventually has a relationship with him. Never apologises, plays victim.
He had in his contract with channel 5 that he is to have one 12-15 year old boy delivered to his hut every other day, or he wouldn’t sign the contract.
Marina has been banging them out in her Guardian column for nearly 20 years. Racist Katie Hopkins being thrown out of South Africa- Bluejean Terrablance. Boris Johnson - Chucky if he borrowed a suit for a court appearance / A Yewtree version of Worzel Gummidge / Fred Pestminster Theresa May - A Quentin Blake drawing of an unraveling postmistress. Venal, deluded celebs get the ‘bad cop’ treatment.
All these people need to remind themselves that they're JUST MAKING TV. It's a skill, but not very important. You're not saving people's eyesight, you're not finding a cure for cancer, you're saving people and property from fire, you're not trying to help solve climate change. You entertain us. And we thank you. But that's absolutely it. It's a massive game of self congratulation and perpetuating viewers. Why does This Morning appear in papers? Because it sells papers and promotes the show. It's not news. It's advertising. Yet people like Schofield thinks the paper is interested and therefore people are interested. Stupid mistake to make.
Let's look from this perspective, if your child was 16, dating a man his age, would you be okay with it? Or would you look at said person as taking advantage? Or even as grooming /predatory? Makes me sick, feel so much for the young man.
Schofield is the last of 90s naff that believes so much of his own hype. How or why "This Morning" seems to be a key topic for news is beyond my comprehension!
Phils had 'friends' stuck to him when he was the top man, not a peep out of them when he was the target. Fun and games at their houses after award shows, buying holiday homes together etc.
I watched 20 mins of it, its not just about the fact he cheated on his wife and kids, take that away and had he not done that, its still a very rich bloke moaning at a camera. He will have people on stand by in case something went wrong they wont let him starve. It was to me someone just saying how fantastic they are and how great their life has been but trying to tap into this trend of sufferance equals depth. Phillip your not an Artist, you hosted as show sat in a cupboard talking to a puppet, then hosted This Morning with a puppet..... You are utterly throw away.
Fern Britton. He's got short memory he only got the Gig full time because of the events around John Leslie, When he joined full time the chemistry between him and Fern was amazing then as time passed you could see the arrogance on full display. IMHO I think this was a tester to see if a possible stand in for the C5 daily show? This morning has been in dire need of a massive reboot for years, everything about it needs to change.
I remember when Jonathan Ross was disgraced and he lost his job, and rightly so. But guess what, he’s creeping back into television. Everyone seems to have short memories.
I blooming love Wynn Evans. Me and my dad bumped into him on a train from Bristol to Paddington. Wynn had overdone it the night before, and missed his flight to France to watch Wales play Australia in the Rugby World Cup. He was going to catch a flight from Gatwick or Heathrow. He was so blooming affable.. Me and my dad were on our way to a football game. And mentioned "oh, have you seen the new Spurs stadium?" He said "It's funny actually, I closed the old one. and opened the new one". My dad didn't recognise him.
I watched all three episodes. It was a pity party for one! He may not have done anything illegal with his relationship with the runner, but there is something VERY wrong with having a teenage boy in your life and watching them grow up, and to then have a sexual relationship with them! Nothing is ever his fault. That's what is called a narcissist. It has nothing at all to do with homophobia. If it had been a straight relationship, it would still be wrong, and there would be backlash. And as for the "community" turning against him, we don't like having people who behave in that way being part of our gay community.
This is a quality podcast, genuinely valuable insight. I find it so fascinating listening to you two. It’s the cherry on top that your takes are rooted in research.
This doesn’t mean Phil is guilty of a crime - but people forget his brother was found guilty and sentenced to 12 years in jail for sexually abusing a young boy. It seems strange that both of these men clearly have a preference for young boys. So Philip may claim he only started a sexual relationship with him when he was 20, but it all sounds very fishy. It isn’t illegal if he was 20, but it’s a massive power imbalance. Getting a young boy a job on your show so he feels he owes you something and natural gravitates towards you whilst you’re 40 years his senior. Very murky waters.
The fact that shows carry on regardless of who is presenting them lends me to assume that presenters are generally massively overpaid, which leads them to all sorts of Schofield traits. Am I wrong in this?
A little message of appreciation: I found this podcast last week Saturday, with the goal of having "something" on while reading a book. This has turned out a little different though, the topics you talk about are so interesting I found myself putting my book aside to focus on the discussions. I have seen every single episode in just over a week. Before finding this podcast, as a non native English speaking person, I had never heard of the expression "By and large" Thanks to Richard, it is now one of the expressions i know best! Keep up the good work guys! Just a little note on the camera work maybe, if doing a split screen like this, any hand gestures are quite screen filling, if that makes sense. Maybe put the camera's a little further away? Or, and this is personal preference, have both Marina and Richard in the same shot.
People always ask me why I love shows like Survivor, Alone or Castaway etc and my reply is always the camera shows all, people can try and show a persona or what they think they want people to see but give them enough rope…. Their true nature shines through
Bit of the 'Blockbusters/Countdown Effect' in this studio setup. Split screen is what is comfortingly routine for the regular viewer, actual studio layout isn't something you'd easily predict.
It's his knowledge of what his brother was doing and the fact that Schofield did NOTHING, that repulses me. The brother was convicted of 11 charges against a child.
I have only seen the promo clip that lasts a few seconds where he suggests he doesn't deserve what's happened to him. That says all you need to know - arrogant, completely without remorse, thinking he's the victim, completely detached from reality. And at the same time, completely unaware of how he's coming across. I think this is what happens when you become so big. Reminds me of Noel Edmonds who's also lost the plot. Read the room!
The kid may have been of legal age at the time he was working at the channel, but nonce-bollocks was wining & dining him long before. The age gap is still fucking creepy, how can a man knocking on 60 years old have anything in common with a kid of sixth form age with no real life experience, what could they possibly have in common? Also remember how outraged he was when the BBC stuff broke, he was the nonce hunter General.
*New Subscriber* : I didn't know this podcast existed. Very insightful comments, with intelligent turns of phrase ( no surprise with Marina ). The insights here are I'm sure applicable to most media markets in most countries. Watching from here in Prague, CZ where they used to have the weather forecast on one of the more serious commercial channels read by a woman in business blouse, skirt and stockings who would undress to being naked while giving the forecast. I kid you not ( you can probably find it online somewhere ).
I hadn't heard of Marina, but I'm now a superfan. She does not like Schofield. She has eviscerated him...well done her. Richard came over as her barrister.
I recall going to Van Gogh Live in Edinburgh and it was this sort of three room experience each playing a looped projection of a part of his life and the art produced during that period. It was actually quite engaging and I recall vividly being drawn in my the heart rending depiction of the end of his life as the music faded out to empty silence. And then an incredibly loud peppy ad for Johnny Walker who was a sponsor started blasting, which erased any goodwill they might have created.
The ratings for This Morning are propped up by the dog owners who have left the telly on for their pets whilst they’re at work.
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hahahaha! That explains a lot!!
Don’t forget the people who walk dogs for a living and they leave their TV’s on too
@benrogerson3073 that's animal abuse 😂
My dog refuses to watch it.
I’m Gay, I stopped dating 15 year olds when I was 15. It’s not homophobia it’s grooming and completely predator. Even at the age of 30, what interest would I have in dating an 18 year old? It’s not “normal” in the gay world, how would he know? it’s only normal in the world of abuse and unbalanced power dynamics across all orientations. The homophobia is coming from inside the house Phil.
♥️🙏 Brilliant comment
Yeah, though the age of consent is 16 in the UK, when you're dating someone with such a huge age gap you're denying that young person the chance to grow and develop in relationships with people their own age. At the very least it's unethical, and at the very worst borderline abusive.
*Edited to correct the age of consent, I always thought it was 18. 16 blows my mind, many people haven't really fully matured by then and the idea older people in their 40s and 50s would want to sleep with someone that young is extremely uncomfortable, I don't give a fuck what people say.
@@JOXCY don't forget the power dynamics of Phil essentially being the guys boss
@@JOXCY the age of consent is 16 in the UK. Which is why he keeps peddling the line “it was unwise but not unlawful”
Still morally bankrupt regardless.
The fact his brother was sentenced for molesting little boys the same year just makes the whole situation even darker.
I think to say there isn't a culture within the gay male community of older men dating considerably younger men than themselves is a bit of a fib, there definitely is, it's not that uncommon at all, and by younger I mean younger not underage, though I believe there was a fair number of gay men who sighed relief that it wasn't them in the spotlight when Phil got called out. Phillip isn't grasping that unlike other age gap relationships with other gay men, he knew this kid for such a long time which made the whole thing disturbing.
He rubbed his two faces together to make a fire.
Nice one
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Yeah, it's called acting.
I refuse to watch it so I'm happy to see discussions like this because it allows me to be able to stick to that. Phillip Schofield's arrogance is astounding.
I've never met the guy
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She got it right about his OG stance 'this will die down at some point'. Why I tune in
@@sianwarwick633not this one
@@sianwarwick633he was not much liked anyway nor his false co host
I think we were all blown out that their was little genuine pain for his wife and family who stuck by him. Now he’s still all about himself. An incredible narcissist who would do the same again
Wife stuck by his credit card more like. Hadn't he been cheating on her with teenage boys? Nice...
I still do not understand what he has done wrong, apart from being unfaithful to his wife. The young fella was not underaged, so what was the problem then?
@@subraxas The power dynamic, the age gap, the abusive behaviour towards the young man. Wtf is wrong with you?
@@subraxasARE YOU FOR REAL ?? HE STARTED GROOMING THAT YOUNG BOY AT THE MEAR AGO OF 14.. PLEASE COULD YOU DO SOCIETY A FAVOUR AND GO AND PLAY ON THE M6 PLEASE 👍👍👍
@@subraxas "Young fella" was fourteen when Pip met him. Some people call it grooming - the long game, with manipulation of an impessionable or vulnerable person by use of a position of superiority. Oh, and he's a liar. And, to top it all, he's not a very nice person. Are you also a fan of Barrymore?
Nothing could have made me watch Philip Schofield on an island
Alcatraz in it's heyday? I'd watch that!
I don't know, if it had been Anthrax island or Christmas Island I'd have been interested
Should be a punishment doled out by the Courts.
So many people throw in the word narcissism on too broad a basis. Not the correct word I'm afraid for his particular pity party.
What I can say is that surprisingly I managed to watch his three episodes but six minutes into this feature and I'm out. Talk about self importance to make one's own bread and butter.....
Wild bears?
I am a gay man in my early 40s - and resent Phillip Schofield so much. He has perpetuated an awful stereotype of ‘the predatory older gay man’ which simply isn’t representative of me and my fellow middle-aged gay friends and it infuriates me, because he has lived a life most gay men couldn’t and wouldn’t live. He simply doesn’t represent the majority of gay men! Yet straight people will be saying “well of course, you know what they’re all like.” Over the years, he has presented himself to be catty, bossy, unlikeable - I just think he’s very selfish and not a nice person, and I hate that he continues to have a public platform - he needs to get a quiet little job somewhere behind the scenes, live a humble quiet life. I have a few gay friends, some single, some enjoying long-term committed relationships (one couple having been together for 24 years now). WE DATE AROUND OUR AGE - why? Because most people want someone to relate to, someone who knows what it’s like to care for an ailing parent, loose a parent, have made mistakes, learnt tough lessons - most people look for someone who will understand them, how is someone half my age going to understand me? And even sexually, what on earth do I have in common with someone in their 20s? Physically, I want someone to have experienced the middle-age like me and again, to relate to where I am on my life's journey both mentally and physically. Phillip’s brain is not representative of most gay men. Phil played mentor to a young person and then allegedly got into a relationship with them when they came of age - that doesn’t sit right with me, ethically - nor did it sit right with the gay friends I keep. He is so unlikeable (his sassy and superior attitude in a car-crash interview with a medicated Kerry Katona springs to mind) he has never come across as genuine, warm or relatable. I resent him and this attempt at a career comeback. I want to see positive representations of gay men on television, not narcissists with victim-syndromes.
I have a young gay male relative and the amount of old men contacting him via a dating app is shocking.
@@jayne1126 that doesn't equate to proof of anything though, you would need to actually conduct studies and do research rather than 'some old guys contact a friend/relative'. If you were an older gay man who liked to have it on with younger gay men (and that could be anything from 24-34 mind you) then you would go on dating apps like grinder! And therefore.... All of them are on grinder, and therefore you see a disproportionate amount of them.
I'm not saying this isn't true or this isn't a phenomenon. But I would also point out that this happened whether you are gay or not. And older women also take part in it, to what extent, again, I do not know.
What I do know is that a lot of closeted older men on hook up apps hook up with younger men to 'live out their fantasies' that they couldn't when they were younger. It's pretty sad really. People who feel they can never come out and have a family. I feel for their wives a lot. In those situations, everyone's a victim of Queerphobia, which is still strong nowadays. If they had been able to come out no one would be in that situation.
Very well said a great post somebody who clearly understands - have learnt a lot Thank You.
@@jayne1126 Dating apps are where predators (and sad, lonely old men) tend to gather, though.
You're getting a skewed impression of the gay community by only going off dating app info. If you did the same for Tinder, you'd think the majority of all straight men just send unsolicited pics of their genitals to women or ask for nude selfies and then throw a tantrum when women refuse.
Men are men, heterosexual or gay. As a hetero man I was groomed by two gay men, with a massive disparity in age. I appreciate that not all gay men are like Schofield, however, stereotyping IS a thing, and the predatory gay older man is most definitely a reality, sorry. Hetero men would definitely do it, but other men find it disgusting also, and history has shown this - even the ancient Greeks, who had a reputation around these things. In modern Britain gay men get a ‘pass’ over such things in the media, precisely because so many gays work in this industry. Schofield may not represent you, but her does represent gays in entertainment, the media and a number of professions. And it IS a phenomenon which is distinctively gay.
"Picnic of Narcissism" is a great name for a band.
It's a Morrissey album isn't it?
@@peterc62 😆😆😆😆😆
Also the name of my sex tape.
Wasn’t this Marrillion’s difficult second album?
‘In the park of vanity’ should be one of their album titles. It has to be at least a double album.
Poor me, poor me, pour me another. He got found out, he screwed up, abused his position and lied to those around him. He was the architect of his own downfall, but seems to blame others. If he's not been asked to do I'm A Celebrity, then he really is persona non grata, esp when you see some of the "so called celebrities" asked to appear on that waste of screentime.
Yeah. I have no problem with him being in a relationship with someone much younger than him. Love is something nobody should judge others on. But his behaviour was creepy. Lying about it to his colleagues, because he knew it was a terrible look, rather than just being a grown-up about it and saying "screw what people think, I love him, I'm gong to be honest about it."
I know it's difficult for a gay celebrity to be truly honest about their lives when they're going to be constantly picked apart by the media and the revolting elements of our society, but I look at Stephen Fry, who married his much younger partner. He went through hell getting himself to the point where he felt safe to announce their relationship, but because he was honest with his friends and colleagues, they all had his back.
I do think Richard's point about how you treat people around you was remarkably interesting. Nobody apart from the usual suspects cared that Stephen was marrying a much younger guy, and we didn't care because we know (we hope) Stephen to be a nice guy.
But Schofield wasn't a nice guy. He lied o everyone, and god knows what he put the poor guy he was dating through by constantly swearing him to secrecy because Schofield was more scared about his job than about his partner's happiness and safety.
I think the show would have been much better if Holly Willoughby arrived at the island a day later and hunted him down with a Bear Grylls pocket knife.
Lol perfect except for the Bear Grylls knife...any other brand. Grylls is a con artist and creep
😂
I can’t stand Hollie she’s so fake and didn’t even support her so called best friend
She just wanted to stay on too
As when her husband who earned 4 million as a hold per yr had the cheek to claim furlough for months
Like he needed the money
I’ve always found her fake and never genuine
Hope Phil stays on the island 🏝️ with no crew
Holly has caused enough damage with her lies.
Nasty piece of work
In that case get Charlie Brooker involved for a real immersive dystopia ?
Intestedting that Schofield has been given an opportunity to give his side of the story but the lad was made to sign a NDA … so we will never have the other side
Good point.
Exactly that
@@MrsBillings2001 there is no proof of this NDA, it's all gossip at this stage, but if he wanted to speak out, he's had years to do it. He could have gone to the papers at anytime. He hasn't. You seem to think that Philip is some devious groomer, but not clever enough to get his 'victim' to sign an nda before now? You're having a laugh.
@@DDTC73 either you are incredibly naïve as to how ppl like him behave or you're telling on yourself.
@selenacaemawr or maybe I just don't jump to conclusions when there there is no evidence to support something or let any prejudices get in the way of facts. It's like saying every man who plays Santa at Chrostmas must be a groomer because he wants kids to sit on his lap all day....
Agree about Scholfield. He should stay on that island. 😂
I went to the Van Gogh immersion experience (Beyond Van Gogh) in Liverpool in July. I have to say, I loved it and found it very moving.
It is so easy to say we should just get on a plane to have exciting experiences but that isn't possible for those of us who are disabled/chronically ill and struggling to make ends meet, We would love to be able to have that level of privilege.
I saw a disabled girl review it. For those who couldn't get up the stairs they were ushered behind a curtain to a space that had a video playing and some van gogh colouring sheets. Being a little ambulatory she ditched her chair and hauled herself up the stairs to see the rather underwhelming spaces with elements of his paintings projected onto the walls and ceilings. It looked really crap. Less crap than the dreadful experience wheelchair bound ppl got though.
The biggest narcissist, oh wow me. Philip blames everyone else but not take responsibility for his grooming of a 12 year old boy. He threw so many people under the bus. Plus they all had to sign an NDA. Shameful man, he can’t stop talking about it!
He was NOT a 12 year old boy, he was an adult and capable of thinking for himself. Be very careful; you could end up in court for making such a comment.
@@buzzukfiftythreeHe became friends with him when he was under age. That could look like grooming
Absolute bullshit.
14 or 15 to start with I believe when they met…. But nothing sexual happened until legal age….. hmmmmmmm 🤔 unwise … but not illegal hey ☝🏻
@@buzzukfiftythree Pretty sure they said the lad was 10 in that photograph, whether they met or not is unclear, that said, Philip Scofield was a patron and there isn''t a lot of people in the photo.
So happy to find people on UA-cam who speak their minds without putting blowtorch of ‘propriety’ on their words to avoid UA-cam’s bizarre strictures and demonetization. Thankyou!
It's not my business if anyone comes out as gay. It's not by business if anyone wants to take a much younger lover. What does concern me is someone in the public domain abusing his position of power. What does concern me is when anyone blames everyone for their shortcomings but themselves. I've always been completely indifferent to Schofield but I watched all three episodes. He was full of bitter, twisted resentment calling others toxic, saying he was thrown under the bus. He is the toxic one. He threw himself under the bus. His defence of - he's not doing anything different to other people - was childish. This show was about him. If he had been humble, shown remorse for how his behaviour has impacted on others....if he had focused on his recovery and what he is putting into place to improve himself he may have found some sympathy from viewers. But heck.....he burned every bridge possible with as much venom as he could. I don't think we need to see him on British TV again!
A genuine question - how did he abuse his position of power? By getting him a job on This Morning?- he wasn't doing anything different to anyone else. It he was straight and it was a younger woman, the paper wouldnt have forced him to come out and it wouldnt have been anyone's business. Then allegations were clearly thrown around, that made it into something far more sordid than it was. So he lied to his work colleagues about his private life? So what? Do you tell your work colleagues everything? The fact that you think he should be humble, show remorse, recovery, improve himself... for what? If you think of every person or couple that had affairs during their time on Strictly, and there's alot of them,Why didn't they have to do the whole mea culpa, forgiveness beg, for how their behaviour and actions impacted others?
He held power in the media - specifically in the programme he was working on - as he was a presenter who draws public interest. He abused the position because he brought a young person, with whom he had a professional relationship, into the spotlight by entangling himself with them romantically. This causes a big problem for ITV because they now can't fulfill their duty of care towards their junior staff member - a massive breach of trust between Phil, ITV and the young employee.
None of this is to say it is also obviously creepy to be hitting on and sneaking around with a 17(?) yo at work when you're married with kids.
I think the worst damage seems to have been self inflicted as he was caught lying and appealing to the defence "everyone else does it" ( ie. Accusations of homophobia, "it's not illegal").
As they pointed out in the podcast, he showed how powerless he was in many ways as no one came to defend him in the end. He did fail to protect his "friend" from damaging their career and bringing them into the publics attention and needs to take some accountability for that given his profession and personal relationship with them.
Noone is forcing him to perform a mia culpa.. he just works in a job where image does matter - so he likely won't work until his image is laundered.
His desire for legacy and redemption is a luxury no one owes him.
It's not 'abusing your power' to date a co worker 🤣😂🤣
I agree in general but there is also a duty of care and responsibility for senior and public facing employees to protect juniors. The big dereliction of responsibility is lying about it and then blowing it up into a large news story. That is I think what most people mean by 'abuse of power' in this context.
I was glued to this episode. Thank you so much for such an interesting conversation.
This makes me think of a great quote from Nietzsche “If you think someone’s ruined your life, you’re right. It’s you.”
@@petelefreq4211 Oooh thank you. I WILL use this. 😏
I've always "loved" this kind of disparaging quotations that usually tend to be used by self-assured, judgmental smart-XXXes AS IF they and the wisdoms they bear were meant to be applicable for all people, for all superficially akin situations and states, "miraculously" taking into account all the possible variables the life can and does present us with.
Yeah, "as if"!
At the end of the day, these 'quippy' quotations are often very good for the so-called "average Joes" to feel clever and superior about themselves. That's like their main contribution to the society, I dare to opine.
@@subraxas oh
@@SarahDixon-tx4zx ah
@@subraxas probably best to take that up with Jimmy Carr then…. Because that’s where I heard it. And in this case , it feels pretty appropriate.
Thank you for this.
I will never be watching on TV, anything involving Schofield the Narcissist.
I'm in your team
I’d put a full stop after TV in your sentence. It’s the fountain of all misery lies and b** sh**t
Absolutely banger episode. Marina was on one, "we need to talk about Kevin", "Edgelord of the Flies" and calling out This Morning on their lack of relevance. Great stuff.
“Daytime Coriolanus” 😂
😂
Never seen Marina so animated as she is here in her disdain for Philip Schofield on an island. Wonderful to watch!
Was just thinking the same.
Excellent stuff!
Ppl with low iqs get angry about things they shouldn't all the time .. I'm sure u know first hand 🤣
Nothing like an unbiased journalist !!!
Phil needs to get into his head we don't wake up on a morning and wonder how Phil Schofields doing ,your not on anyone's mind but this show proves you want to be on everyone's mind ,Phil you did a job and when you leave any job your soon forgotten.
Totally. The reason Holly Willoughby was mocked for her ‘are you okay?’ question was because she shares the same self importance as Schofield, if little else these days like their phone numbers! That she thought it was a moment everyone would watch and care about is delusional. They both seem to think a bland, inconsequential daytime show watched by no one who works, is of great import. Quite where they got that idea, I don’t know.
Edge Lord of the Flies 😂
Marina was in absolutely
savage form 💀
You win the Internet today 😂
"Edge Lord of the Flies" should win an Emmy. Marina is God.
Nothing savage about it. Succinctly accurate assessment.
@@ronniepye You need to learn the vernacular. Or get tested for what level on the spectrum you are
His family must have been mortified by it all in the first place. His digging it all up again puts them through it twice, we had forgotten about it.
He doesn't care!! That's why they are calling him a narcissist he has every trait.
I remember when he first came out as gay. Because I've never watched This Morning or particuarly liked Holly or Phil, I had no idea about his private life and genuinely thought he was already out! I was stunned to learn he was married with almost adult kids!
I was surprised that anyone was surprised
I love the way Marina gets to the crux of the matter with her analyses around media public relations matters
She’s amazing at getting to the crux of all kinds of matters. Her Guardian column is a delicious picnic (🙏🏻) of consistent spot-on matter cruxing.
The sense of self entitlement is titanic.
The palm trees would be saying "get me out of here"
Haha this comment for the W! that gave me a nice little chuckle 😂😂🫡
Philip Schofield's accusations of homophobia is somehow simultaneously homophobic and misogynistic.
What’s worth considering is that paedophilic men who like to fiddle with boys aren’t actually gay. Philip only came out as gay when his brother was about to go on trial for underage relationships with boys.
And Philip has remained married to his wife with whom I would say he is sexually attracted to in a heterosexual way.
He IS skilled at what he does.
@@colmhayes7750 That is one of the countless paradoxes of our shit liberal society
The nonce go to
@@Paul-tk2my Since when was it 'liberal' to approve of an abusive relationship?
It is strange that Philip Schofield who was the star of a low rated daytime show that, perhaps, only two per cent of the population ever watched and of those, I suspect, many found him rather creepily self important, so why does he think anyone cares less about him or his future. Many ordinary people lose their jobs from no fault of their own and have to suffer in silence. Schofield should come to terms with the fact that nobody needs him and nobody cares about him.
I would only watch it if Lions and Tigers were released onto the island
...and Barrymore suddenly arrived. (-;
The fact that these characters believe we the public still want to watch them, says everything… I just think I would slink off to obscurity and get on with a quiet life, rather than keep reminding people what a slime ball i am
It's because of the money
They wouldnt give Barrymore a show the lad drawned in his pool he wasnt standing watching!! Scofield groomed a kid from 11
@@JariTime01post-modern culture cares very little for children.
@@JariTime01if people don’t watch him the channel 5 won’t be able to screen it for long , though I suspect some will, I don’t know where there heads are and I don’t know how schofield dare, it’s quite sick really
1.5 million people watched it. There's a world outside your own front door...
For God's sake! Will no-one think of how this affects Gordon The Gopher?
Gordon and Phill haven't spoken in years and there have always been rumours...I'm waiting for Gordon's tell all biography.
😂😂😂😂
@@sjchandler8141😂😂😂😂😂
@@sjchandler8141 wandering hands?
He is still in therapy
This episode is so spicy the Scoville Scale should be renamed the Schofield Scale.
Being a 71-year-old man from the UAS, Taskmaster is the best show I've seen in a very long time. I have rewatched all episodes several times and still see new things. Love so many British shows.
Nice
Have you tried the "taskmaster Virtual reality game on occulus? It really makes you think you are character on the show
There's some taskmaster boardgames out that are great for a family party.
Or you could honestly make up the tasks yourself/ get ideas from the internet.
You'd be surprised how inventive family members can get when they get competitive and have a drink 😂
Please could we acknowledge that he met the boy when he was 11 ! There is a photos to prove it. 11 !
Fabulous episode thank you.
His defenders keep pretending that didn't happen and say that when he meet him when he was 15 it was at a school with lots of other children. I strongly suspect it is paedophiles covering for the behaviour of others.
@@tallulahb1586 he gave a talk at a stage school,so what.
@@Nick-q8k Well if I have to explain I can’t help you.
@@tallulahb1586 I didn't ask you to,and I already knew that,he gave a talk at a stage school.
G'day from Australia. Just got onto your pod last week and have binged non stop. Great show. I love the Questions show, the Answers Show and The Questions and Answers Show. 😂😂😂
PS has no understanding of why his behaviour is unacceptable . The desert island programme was a study in narcissism . The DARVO is off the scale ,he denies hes done anything wrong ,is aggressive and makes himself the victim rather than the offender.The lack of empathy for those his "unwise" behaviour affected. is astonishing He groomed a teenager from a position of power and that person lost their dream job. thats repugnant to most people. His smutty inuendos were cringeworthy, Every time he said poor me ,i thought about the poor young man who lost everything because of PS.......
I thought we’d reached peak Marina in the episode about the Bailie Gifford award, but her take on Schofield here is tremendous. Great podcast. 👍
I’m new to the channel, is it a recent episode? I’d love to hear it if you remember the title of it
@@CheeCheeMcFee Hi. Yes, the episode is entitled "How Will Smith Saved His Career After 'Slapgate' & The Secrets of TV Debates" and is about halfway in.
I’m a HUGE believer in redemption, always believe in giving people the opportunity. But when you have abused your position of power and influence in any form you should not be given any kind of platform again. There are other ways to redeem yourself, none need to involve being on TV or any other form on mainstream media. Which of course is all he’s interested in because there’s zero protection in social media and he doesn’t want to be challenged for his behaviour. I won’t be watching him, as far as I can see there’s no contrition, only regret at finally being held (sort of) accountable.
Marina's best episode
The subject matter really allowed all of her skills to shine
like panicing over technology, sixth form rants about landlords and spewing nonsense about tech leading to the end of society
shrieking and sneering is what she does
@@alansouthall8221yep,totally agree with you
@alansouthall8221 let's not pick on Marina for being clear on calling out a nonce eh!
@@piganeiros i'm positive i didnt, but thanks :D
@Nick-q8k getting ready for volleyball ?
The world of TV is not unlike Westminster - detached from the real world, a school for arrogance, and a culture which will always turn a blind eye to indiscretions.... until you do something stupid and threaten to bring the house down. After 40 years in that environment, Schofield has fallen for it and the worst thing he could have done is take part in a show where the spotlight is solely on him, warts and all. I hope he's right and this is the last thing he does on TV. He's got enough money to give him a comfortable life, however long that may be. Fade away, son. Fade away....
And not unlike the public schools that spew them out.
The icing on the "detached from reality" cake that they consume is their televised award shows. Don't just watch us congratulate each other for doing work that we got paid for but hear us give a speech about it too.
I would rather watch the paint dry on my newly painted landing window sill, than watch mr scofield, I'm even struggling to listen to this talking about him
Not only had he had an affair, but he had hidden his sexual proclivities from the person he was supposed to be closest to in the world: it's like being kicked in the teeth twice.
The sudden realisation that the person you thought was your life partner/soul mate has been hiding the desire to have sex with someone who is so much younger and of the same sex must be very hard to come to terms with.
This is true but self absorbed Phil wasn't bothered. I do wonder ,on reflection, if his wife knew and decided to accept it for a good lifestyle.
None of what you said to start with matters thats his Business WHAT MATTERS Is he met the feller at 12 & Groomed him if you then believe he waited till hes 18 your mad
Yes for me it is the underage thing that is the most important thing. By far. I am less worried about him being gay or unfaithful to his wife. This kind of thing is so common, but maybe you have to be a bit more careful when you are a huge public figure. Grindr is chock full of married men having secret gay affairs. If only people knew! But the underage thing is the unforgiveable part.
Not for a moment have I ever thought his wife was in the dark about his lifestyle
@@tomwilko7841 - I'm not saying you're wrong - I don't know one way or the other - but really? Do you know this or are you assuming it for some reason.
Destroys his entire family pretending to be straight his whole life and lying to his wife and kids then nuking everything by coming out. Grooms a teenager and eventually has a relationship with him. Never apologises, plays victim.
Don’t believe he’s alone on that island for one minute.
Wilson and Tom are not far away. They are the ones filming
The film crew are there most likely to keep him company 😂
He had in his contract with channel 5 that he is to have one 12-15 year old boy delivered to his hut every other day, or he wouldn’t sign the contract.
There are young trees on that island ffs
@@paulhargreaves9103Young but legal though. Unwise not illegal, as Philip is keen on saying!
Think Maria has rethought her role as president of the Phillip Schofield fan club :)
Edgelord of the Flies is amazing!!😂
Marina has been banging them out in her Guardian column for nearly 20 years.
Racist Katie Hopkins being thrown out of South Africa- Bluejean Terrablance.
Boris Johnson - Chucky if he borrowed a suit for a court appearance / A Yewtree version of Worzel Gummidge / Fred Pestminster
Theresa May - A Quentin Blake drawing of an unraveling postmistress.
Venal, deluded celebs get the ‘bad cop’ treatment.
Richards reaction summed it up nicely
All these people need to remind themselves that they're JUST MAKING TV. It's a skill, but not very important. You're not saving people's eyesight, you're not finding a cure for cancer, you're saving people and property from fire, you're not trying to help solve climate change. You entertain us. And we thank you. But that's absolutely it. It's a massive game of self congratulation and perpetuating viewers. Why does This Morning appear in papers? Because it sells papers and promotes the show. It's not news. It's advertising. Yet people like Schofield thinks the paper is interested and therefore people are interested. Stupid mistake to make.
Let's look from this perspective, if your child was 16, dating a man his age, would you be okay with it? Or would you look at said person as taking advantage? Or even as grooming /predatory? Makes me sick, feel so much for the young man.
Marina dont hold back, tell us how you feel :D that was scathing!
I wish Marina would get off the fence and say what she really thinks.
Hahaha 🤣
Just stumbled across this. Immediate subscribe. So interesting and informative.
I think Richard enjoyed watching Marina let loose in this episode 😂
Schofield is the last of 90s naff that believes so much of his own hype. How or why "This Morning" seems to be a key topic for news is beyond my comprehension!
Extra bonus length episode, fantastic duo, thrback and forth banter is sparkling this week
Phillip says “ Me , me , me , me , me , oh yeh me as well “
Phils had 'friends' stuck to him when he was the top man, not a peep out of them when he was the target. Fun and games at their houses after award shows, buying holiday homes together etc.
22 minutes in and I've just realised its split screen.I thought it was quite rude of Marina not to be looking at Richard.
Yes, I didn’t realise it was split screen too and my first thought was “ oh they’re sitting awfully close to each other!” 😂
@@rebeccamulkern1051😂 I thought that too!
Same! 😂
😂
😂🤣😂🤣
If Schofield thinks the gender of the junior is significant, he must be the only person in the media who has never heard of the Try Guys.
Met Schofield and worked for him. I can confirm, he was right up his own arse. Loves himself!
From 'Philip Schofield in the Groom Cupboard' to 'Edgelord of the Flies.'
I predict Schofield will have a Christmas show on GBNews.
I watched 20 mins of it, its not just about the fact he cheated on his wife and kids, take that away and had he not done that, its still a very rich bloke moaning at a camera. He will have people on stand by in case something went wrong they wont let him starve.
It was to me someone just saying how fantastic they are and how great their life has been but trying to tap into this trend of sufferance equals depth.
Phillip your not an Artist, you hosted as show sat in a cupboard talking to a puppet, then hosted This Morning with a puppet..... You are utterly throw away.
..” hosted This Morning with a puppet “
Brilliant 😂
Fern Britton. He's got short memory he only got the Gig full time because of the events around John Leslie, When he joined full time the chemistry between him and Fern was amazing then as time passed you could see the arrogance on full display.
IMHO I think this was a tester to see if a possible stand in for the C5 daily show?
This morning has been in dire need of a massive reboot for years, everything about it needs to change.
Has Gordon the Gopher spoken out yet?
He has remained silent though people suspect he had a hand in it
He was forced into signing an NDA
About the hand up his…
One day that tired and obvious joke will be told for the final time. Do people genuinely still tell it in the hope that they've been the first?
@@andrewyoung4844one can really tell the nonces on this thread.
I remember when Jonathan Ross was disgraced and he lost his job, and rightly so. But guess what, he’s creeping back into television. Everyone seems to have short memories.
Tony’s weapons of mass destruction destruction
What did he do?
Russel bland clams disappeared quicker than Randy Andy’s 12 million quid to a girl he never met
Best episode so far. I love it when Marina goes off on one 😂
I blooming love Wynn Evans.
Me and my dad bumped into him on a train from Bristol to Paddington.
Wynn had overdone it the night before, and missed his flight to France to watch Wales play Australia in the Rugby World Cup. He was going to catch a flight from Gatwick or Heathrow.
He was so blooming affable.. Me and my dad were on our way to a football game. And mentioned "oh, have you seen the new Spurs stadium?"
He said "It's funny actually, I closed the old one. and opened the new one". My dad didn't recognise him.
I watched all three episodes. It was a pity party for one!
He may not have done anything illegal with his relationship with the runner, but there is something VERY wrong with having a teenage boy in your life and watching them grow up, and to then have a sexual relationship with them!
Nothing is ever his fault. That's what is called a narcissist.
It has nothing at all to do with homophobia. If it had been a straight relationship, it would still be wrong, and there would be backlash.
And as for the "community" turning against him, we don't like having people who behave in that way being part of our gay community.
This is a quality podcast, genuinely valuable insight. I find it so fascinating listening to you two. It’s the cherry on top that your takes are rooted in research.
This doesn’t mean Phil is guilty of a crime - but people forget his brother was found guilty and sentenced to 12 years in jail for sexually abusing a young boy. It seems strange that both of these men clearly have a preference for young boys. So Philip may claim he only started a sexual relationship with him when he was 20, but it all sounds very fishy. It isn’t illegal if he was 20, but it’s a massive power imbalance. Getting a young boy a job on your show so he feels he owes you something and natural gravitates towards you whilst you’re 40 years his senior. Very murky waters.
i wonder if they were abused as children too? abused people unfortunately often repeat the cycle.
Marina nailed it!
The fact that shows carry on regardless of who is presenting them lends me to assume that presenters are generally massively overpaid, which leads them to all sorts of Schofield traits.
Am I wrong in this?
I think you’re right, they just fall into the job, wake up one morning and realise they’re getting paid a fortune
Some do, some don't.
What's the worst part is having it on the BBC and forcing people to pay for their massive salaries
A little message of appreciation:
I found this podcast last week Saturday, with the goal of having "something" on while reading a book.
This has turned out a little different though, the topics you talk about are so interesting I found myself putting my book aside to focus on the discussions.
I have seen every single episode in just over a week.
Before finding this podcast, as a non native English speaking person, I had never heard of the expression "By and large"
Thanks to Richard, it is now one of the expressions i know best!
Keep up the good work guys!
Just a little note on the camera work maybe, if doing a split screen like this, any hand gestures are quite screen filling, if that makes sense.
Maybe put the camera's a little further away? Or, and this is personal preference, have both Marina and Richard in the same shot.
Brilliant. Marina's dissection of Schofield was clinical
And vicious and unfair
@@Nick-q8kPhillip? Is that you?
@@no_one_of_that_name_here nope,still nick.
@@Nick-q8khe’s a nonce mate, hard to feel too much sympathy really.
@@lukeguilfoyle2425 that's a lie
Just wonderful, and having the water flowing in the background was delightful. Thank you
Marina is absolutely iconic in this
I love Marina Hyde, always read what you write for the Guardian… didn’t realise you had a show too. Love it! Nice work both of you 👏
Who ever choose the camera angles for this episode needs to learn about "crossing the line". It's distracting.
I just found this program! I never heard of it before! It's outstanding! Really great variety of items covered!
Marina is so savage 💀😂 9:48 poor Richard nearly choking on his morning coffee lol
ABSOLUTELY 😂😂😂
This is the first episode of this that I’ve seen! What a banger. Looking forward to watching more now!!
This lady is hilarious the way she describes Schofield and the show. Brilliant
Give Pip a show on North Norfolk Digital
Offshore. He needs to be on one of the offshore radio ships 🚢
@@sianwarwick633 it's an Alan Partridge reference mate. Sorry, my humour is often too obstuse for people.
@@stephenaskew4346 *obtuse.
People always ask me why I love shows like Survivor, Alone or Castaway etc and my reply is always the camera shows all, people can try and show a persona or what they think they want people to see but give them enough rope….
Their true nature shines through
But you only see what the editors create.
That's entertaining?! I find it boring torture.
Richard is always the smartest and says it like it is!
“Palm trees on the phone to their agents”! I actually choked laughing on my coffee 😂😂😂
First time hearing this lady. Straight to the point, great to hear.
Bit of the 'Blockbusters/Countdown Effect' in this studio setup. Split screen is what is comfortingly routine for the regular viewer, actual studio layout isn't something you'd easily predict.
I never thought of Schofield as an Alan Partridge type until now
It's his knowledge of what his brother was doing and the fact that Schofield did NOTHING, that repulses me. The brother was convicted of 11 charges against a child.
Omg!
Very disturbing.
Perhaps Philip was involved.
Gotta hand it to Marina on this one. Had me laugh out loud several times. Top notch stuff 😂😂😂
I have only seen the promo clip that lasts a few seconds where he suggests he doesn't deserve what's happened to him. That says all you need to know - arrogant, completely without remorse, thinking he's the victim, completely detached from reality. And at the same time, completely unaware of how he's coming across. I think this is what happens when you become so big. Reminds me of Noel Edmonds who's also lost the plot. Read the room!
Marina was on fire in this episode.
Apparently a 16yr old boy was mistakenly placed on the island along with Scofield. A spokesman said "This is the one thing we didn't want to happen."
@@SethMcFartlane huh?
Too old for Phil
@@Nick-q8kCome on Phillip, you don't need that explaining surely?
@@piganeiros yeah, completely baseless character assassination is always amusing to some.
Since when is joking about child sex abuse funny?
I am not a violent person, but Schofield runs me bloody close.
Me too 😡
The kid may have been of legal age at the time he was working at the channel, but nonce-bollocks was wining & dining him long before. The age gap is still fucking creepy, how can a man knocking on 60 years old have anything in common with a kid of sixth form age with no real life experience, what could they possibly have in common? Also remember how outraged he was when the BBC stuff broke, he was the nonce hunter General.
Yeah I recall when on an episode of this morning he gave David Cameron a list of known or suspected PDFiles I wonder if he put his own name down 🤐🤫😂
*New Subscriber* : I didn't know this podcast existed. Very insightful comments, with intelligent turns of phrase ( no surprise with Marina ). The insights here are I'm sure applicable to most media markets in most countries. Watching from here in Prague, CZ where they used to have the weather forecast on one of the more serious commercial channels read by a woman in business blouse, skirt and stockings who would undress to being naked while giving the forecast. I kid you not ( you can probably find it online somewhere ).
Schofield’s script - Me, myself and I
Would be a great double entendre for his autobiography lol 😂 😂 😆
I hadn't heard of Marina, but I'm now a superfan. She does not like Schofield. She has eviscerated him...well done her. Richard came over as her barrister.
She dosn't like self-pitying and exploitative creeps. Go girl!!!
I recall going to Van Gogh Live in Edinburgh and it was this sort of three room experience each playing a looped projection of a part of his life and the art produced during that period. It was actually quite engaging and I recall vividly being drawn in my the heart rending depiction of the end of his life as the music faded out to empty silence.
And then an incredibly loud peppy ad for Johnny Walker who was a sponsor started blasting, which erased any goodwill they might have created.
Having moved out of the UK rather a long time ago, I thought "Oh! Phillip Schofield from the Broom Cupboard", that'll be nice ...
Haha
He's now well and truly out the closet
😂😂
@@ByronLina “groom cupboard”
No one tell him about Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris!