I think the clue is in the name podcast. But they never mention finding them wherever you get your podcasts. 😅 Tbh I have to watch I couldn’t just listen
@@travelwell6049 Agreed, I can't stand just listening to podcasts but i'm a 45yr old. But I also generally do not like podcasts in general. These 2 seem to have a strong focus to what they are discussing rather than the aimless nature I usually here or some angry political propaganda. Plus Richard is a handsome fella and Marina is of course gorgeous and a spectacle herself with her animated discourse. ❤
I watch this podcast on UA-cam on my smart TV, in fact I only ever watch UA-cam on my TV! I record TV shows on the traditional linear channels but I never watch them live as they air. I think the future of TV will be more like the streaming model, even if programmes get released one episode per week (eg Agatha All Along on Disney+) you don't sit down at 8pm on a Thursday to watch live, you watch whenever is convenient for you, knowing the episode will be waiting for you.
my question would be who wrote Michael Parkinson's questions? not being contrary and I don't know but that surely is the key here - is the AI a facsimile of Parky or is it trying to craft Parkinson like questions?
'Traditional' viewing of terrestrial TV is at risk because rather than scheduling a programme for every Monday night at 7:30pm, thus creating a 'family' event and a reason to tune in each week for the duration, they tend to broadcast the programme's first episode then instantly offer the remaining episodes to stream. This negates the 'traditional' regular viewing habits and encourages ad hoc binge-watching. Perhaps if broadcasters made the on-demand version only available after broadcasting the final episode they could address both viewing preferences.
The problem with saying “the press didn’t tell us this” about what the ai Parkinson thing really was, is we all just heard the message Richard got to begin with, and that didn’t explain it properly either. It stinks of being a way to make what they’re doing more palatable, rather than anything earnestly using Parkinson as a vehicle to discuss AI
Thanks for the extra information on the AI Michael Parkinson. It does completely recontextualise the matter. I’m all in favour of supporting ethically trained ‘AI’ (and damning - or ideally seeing their trainers sued for compensation - unethically trained ones) and for debunking the highly exaggerated horror stories about what these generative algorithms are actually capable of. I’d certainly fully support Richard being a guest on the podcast and would be interested to hear both that and his feedback here about the experience.
Ah, i learned today that Parky was dead. Not sure how i missed that one. lol. Since i didnt know, i was very confused why the invite for the interview was declined. I would have been fooled. Thats a bit worrying.
One thing not mentioned about the demise of TV is that here in Canada cable TV is really expensive. When I moved here from the UK ten years ago, I found myself paying $60 a month to watch mostly ads and got rid of it almost immediately. I think the only people who still have cable are my elderly neighbours. Also, my kids don't even watch Netflix or Prime. They pretty much only watch UA-cam and TikTok.
On the topic of podcast on UA-cam, I prefer watching people chat as opposed to just listening to them. It makes it feel like I’m part of the conversation or present as opposed to just listening into someone’s conversation
As someone who watched the birth of the 4th and 5th terrestrial channels live, I still watch almost all of my TV as it's broadcast on an actual telly, only streaming something afterwards if I missed it. "On demand" is often flaky or broken, and some of the UI's are utterly hopeless. I never binge anything. And it's all Freeview, I don't subscribe to anything. I'm stuck in front of a laptop 12 hours a day for work anyway, so UA-cam is the only place I get all my podcasts, sometimes I'll do that on the big telly too. Never watched or listened to anything on a phone.
One bit which is glossed over a little on the Parkinson bit is around consent. I understand the view that his son owns the tapes and he consents to it being used, but is that really a substitute for consent from the actual person, which of course is not possible in this case and as such should be left well alone. Unless I am missing something where it was discussed prior to his death last year.
I don't know if there is a good time to revive a dead celebrity with an AI version, but a year after his death doesn't feel right, but only slightly less disrespectful if it was done 5+years later? If this was a wip before he passed away, it's only a little better than if he had no knowledge of it at all. It's freaky and uncanny af regardless, i don't like it.
You should ask AI Michael Parkinson a question you would ask an actual AI, ask him to write you a macro for excel to show a message box that says "Press OK if you want out of this interview!"
Very on point discussion about the melange of TV/Streaming/AI/Youtubification of podcasts, then present a podcast on YT that is edited by AI. You can catch an edit around 22:55 that was not made by a human editor. Richard and his arm seem to change position in his chair mid-sentence. If a human (or a competent human) made that edit, they would change from close shot to wide shot to cover the cut. This was not the only instance, there were several other earlier in the episode.
I introduced my 93-year-old father to UA-cam..He now very rarely watches anything on terrestrial TV. I haven't watched terrestrial TV for years now spending my time watching Netflix & youtube. I think you haven't forgotten how much gaming has gotten over the years it's really huge now.
I haven’t watched live TV for about 6 years 2:38 and don’t have a television license because I don’t need one. I always happily wait for a four part or 6 part drama to finish up so I can binge it. Last week I binged The Nautilus in one day (10 hours). I love a bingeable boxset. But I have watched thing episodically on Amazon and Disney but only because I started watching it not realising it was being released like that. Picard being one that comes to mind.
Thank you! I'm watching from outside the UK and have never heard about this show, even though I love steampunk adventures. You gave a few hours of entertainment to two strangers, because me and my girlfriend immediately started watching it. Awesome show. This made me wonder if watching on the high seas (Arrr!) is included in the statistics Richard mentions in this video.
My grandmother just died of Alzheimer’s/dementia and imagine if she could have had comfort listening to her own mother or father, who had long passed, talking back to her responsively when she needed reassurances. In the future we could offer those sorts of benefits. AI therapists-not ones currently marketed by therapy sites, but really personally trained ones I’ve seen in work already-could also be so reassuring to patients, and they could also inform medical providers and family of a patient’s status and needs. It can also slow down those degenerative diseases by increasing elasticity in patients’ minds. Alzheimer’s/dementia can be so distressing and exhausting to families-my mother didn’t mean to but she horribly resented that my grandmother remembered me, but forgot her. It was very tragic for her to lose her mom long before we lost her physically, and to actually be rejected by her mother. There are so many patches for these types of problems. With consent etc. I see a lot of wonderful potentialities. I understand everyone’s knee-jerk reactions to AI but we also won’t stop the future so we should embrace ethical and good solutions to usage.
I just started a UA-cam food and kitchen equipment review channel at the age of 70. I never watch BBC or any of the terrestrial channels and do not have Netflix but still pay for Prime, mainly for free delivery. I was amazed when UA-cam told me this week that even for my small but growing channel, 19% of my viewers watch on a TV and almost ALL of my current demographic are over 40. So, even us OldieWonks are moving away from linear terrestrial TV since it is quite clearly NOT free to view if you need to have a TV licence to watch live TV or BBC iPlayer. Watching recorded content supposedly 'live' is nonsense of course.
I still tune in every week for my scheduled shows. Thursday's are very special to me for Taskmaster reasons. My friends and family know to leave me alone that day or come over and watch it with me. Thursday's are for Taskmaster.
Almost 60 something here. Cancelled TV licence as don't watch terrestrial linear TV ever. Most of what I watch is either uTube, streaming services or occasional catchup TV like Taskmaster on the 4app. I watch you guys on my big telly. It's good to be able to watch a vid and have the comments up on the screen at the same time. Nicer than squinting at my phone.
I cancelled my TV license before they changed the rules that you need it for BBC iPlayer. So I have it again, but if I didn't watch anything on iPlayer then I wouldn't. I don't think that should be controversial. I cancelled my gym membership too
The question this brought to me when they were talking about iplayer, is wtf did the beeb get rid of iplayer downloads ? I would consume probably most content from that. and as netflix and prime have both gone in opposite direction of adding download versions to streaming services, I dont believe the bbc reason of lack of demand for download
At 32 I don’t consider myself to be particularly young but looking at my screen time UA-cam is far and away my biggest entertainment provider. I really mostly watch Law and Order and F1 on TV.
I'm 39 years old, plus an additional 11% tax. Whilst there's a lot of concentration on the viewing habits of children, teens and young adults, and their shift away from traditional linear TV towards streaming, as an older person I have to mention that I have moved entirely to streaming content and choose to watch zero broadcast TV. I don't even own a TV, and haven't for over eight years. It's not just young 'uns whose habits are changing, linear TV is becoming less popular with many older folk too. And, to me, that is equally, if not more worrying for the future of TV as the changing habits of younger people.
Re Parkinson AI: who is it meant to appeal to? Those of us who grew up with him (and Harty) are likely to be appalled... younger audiences arent likely to be lured by an elder yorkshire voice.
Stephen Fry would be a great guest for the Michael Parkinson podcast. He has been interviewed loads by him in the past and is thoughtful and very into technology
So I'm Irish and with the discussion about the iPlayer we can't access it because Ireland. We can't subscribe because no subscription. We also in the case of Disney plus can't access Dr Who because apparently we are part of the BBC exclusive area. We can also no longer record BBC programmes on our TV boxes. I know there are issues that you spoke about but if Disney+ can geoblock us and BBC van geoblock us surely there is some type of subscription that could work?
I'm interested in the AI interview and what has been talked about here but a question I do have for Richard is are you receiving a fee for it? I don't believe it was mentioned but would like to know before buying into the arguement here.
I moved house 2 years ago and there was no aeriol or dish so we always watch on the broadband instead. I always turn the volume off for any adverts. I forward your podcast 'til i hear the music but here on yutube I pay for premium so that's another reason to listen to it here with no ads...love you bye
Endless reruns of Frasier, Big Bang etc tell you Channel 4 gave up on terrestrial TV years ago. Presumably advertising still makes their secondary channels viable, but they can't last much longer.
I like to watch the podcast for similar reasons as I liketo read the physical book along with the audio book. Immerse your self across sensory modalities :)
BBC could be a global brand. They have the brand recognition. They have the streaming platform. They have a huge back catalogue. They need to be unshackled.
I understand Richard's view but I'm not keen on that complacent acceptance that 'this is the way things are moving' - I agree with Marina that we need to fight for public service broadcasting, and I'd go further in saying that we should be fighting for linear TV. Yes, people (young people such as myself in particular) are moving away from it, but I think we shouldn't be ashamed to say, 'actually, this linear form of broadcasting is valuable and beneficial for society and communities'. I don't think it's helpful to just accept the move to streaming as though it's completely inevitable - it will only be inevitable if we don't do anything to resist it.
I love regular old TV, mostly because I don’t want to have to scroll through thousands of options to find something to watch. I think I was the only person who loved that random button on Netflix. 😊
A couple of points: First, Richard said that "it is easy to make money on UA-cam" I don't think it is easy but it is probably far easier than making money on linear television. Second, how do live major sporting events buck the general trend?
Re the Michael Parkinson interview, I think as long as it is framed as an exploration of the state of AI right now, that is fine. Longer term, I think we will have to see how our ethics toward AI personalities develop.
I'm 34 and in the past 10 years Maybe I've watch 1 hour a week of tv. I mainly watch streaming or youtube. there is nothing on tv for young people . Tv abandoned young people when they got rid of TOP OF THE POPS.
I disagree with Richard's assessment. With streaming services being so geared towards pure viewer numbers for data acquisition and the predatory way algorithms are built to basically addict users to never leave their platforms. I think in that 5 years, there will be a backlash against these practices and see a return to a more passive viewing experience. You'll watch a BBC, or an ITV, or a Channel 4 because the show interests you. Not because an algorithm has been designed to make you addicted to whatever new hook has been created to keep you tuned in.
So putting a dead person's voice out there in a new context is acceptable because it's within the confines of "experimental"? It doesn't wash with me. I think it's unethical in the same way that I thought it was unethical that they made a CGI version of Audrey Hepburn to advertise Galaxy chocolate. These people haven't consented to their likeness being exploited and it changes the perception we have of them if that is what is done to them over time. And it's a slippery slope. If this is being discussed now, what will happen in 50 years? Human legacy will be distorted and time will be shifted.
Didn't local radio shows in the early days have "interviews" with famous guests. A tape would be sent out to the radio stations with blanks in the tape so the DJs would ask predetermined questions and the guests answering questions as if they were in the studio.
Social viewing is a weird category to lump together. Twitch has a huge following, as does UA-cam for video games but that is very different from tiktok. Only thing similar is UA-cam shorts that is like tiktok, but UA-cam I mostly watch live streams and video essays the length of films so it seems like a bad grouping. Would love to see the data more detailed for my age group as that to me is more telling.
I really hope regular Tv survivies and I don't see why it can't. People as you know do tuen in when they make something good. And if they don't it still proves its worth when people catch up on streaming. Not to sound like an arse becasue I love normal TV, but they just don't make much that I enjoy and nothing I'm racing to watch. I think they can do better, I think we aren't factoring in how much the BBC got gutted in the last 15 years, which can be repaired. I think they need to go back and look at what was working back around 2004-2010 because I think everyone was knocking it out of the park then...Yes some shows are of the past now, but there's much to learn from that era - And I personally think it begins with with trying to bring saturday night back to life. As with many Saturday Night shows I think TV needs to do more live stuff...Take Ms Browns Boys, a disaster I know, but there is fun in feeling like it a live recording...I would love a sitcom that had to go out live. Live shows are best watched live, so I think they can draw more people back to the TV....One good live show a night could be the show to draw the audience back in and hopefully to stick aroudn to watch something else..
Regarding Virtually Parkinson. I understand why you would want a name, and likeness, such as Michael Parkinson, to host the show. But I wonder, would the show still work, even get the same traction and coverage if it was announced without a famous host? I would be fascinated to know what the initial prompt would be to start the actual interview.
In Canada, at least, tv is not only super expensive but terrible repetitive nowadays. Even in the 2000s one channel would have many different programs. Now one channel has the exact same show and the same 5 episodes playing over and over again. The second the comedy channels started playing Big Bang Theory in December for two weeks straight, is the moment tv died for me. But on the other hand, people are also getting real tired of paying for every streaming channel/app. Even youtubers started having their own channels apps (looking at you Watchers) that you have to pay for. Edit: didn't quite a few actresses say that Michael Parkinson was very misogynistic? Or was that another interviewer?
I've just left the 16-35 yo bracket 😂. I don't watch the BBC because I don't have a TV licence. It's funny because if I could subscribe to the BBC I probably would 😂. Also I watch podcasts when I find them on YT but if I listen to them only first I can't watch them as I find it annoying 😂😂
Deep fake AI, it would really be interesting to hear Mark Hamill’s take on this as he is still very much with us but most likely to be the one who this tech gets used for to tell Star Wars stories that include Luke Skywalker beyond the time when Hamill is no longer with us. Harrison Ford for the same reasons
If you tolerate this Parkinson thing you lose all ground to oppose the use of ai to replace (voice)actors with or without their consent. It really disturbs me.
that conversation should have stopped at 'there is no point'....I get the point that Richard is making, and it could be intersting as a one off, an experiment but that's about it. Because all it's doing is opening the door for the thousand of fake AI beloved national treasures to come instead of developing new talents. And there is no point in being interviewed by a fake Parkinson other than cashing in on people's nostalgia. All it is is a very good Rory Bremner. for example, I am an f1 fan, but i have zero interest in watching races created by AI, in wich, let's say Ayrton Senna won races that he did not win in real life. I see no point in that whatsoever.
@lakrids-pibe and it's opening a very dangerous door... Because once you've got that, the thinking becomes 'why should we put on very expensive live events, like big sports events, when we can create them with AI?.
@@dibdab101 That's basically how reality TV started, or at least how it became so prevalent but without AI. The big wigs said "Why should we pay big money for stars, scripts and so on, when we can shove 'real' people into a situation and film it." Now it's everywhere.
The Michael Parkinson podcast sounds like it might be interesting as a one-off, but I don't see how it would work as an ongoing podcast. Once you've heard the AI once, you've heard it. After that, it becomes a podcast about AI and that is only interesting if the people on it have something interesting to say on the subject. Random celebrities won't.
People do not like liniar tv, it was all they had. Marina seems to unquestionably love the bbc etc. I'm almost 50 and haven't watched bbc or any other tv in 10-15 year (I have no idea where my remote is located). Why don't we have a tiered licence option - i'd happily pay for radio 4 and 6music, I could not care less about seeing bbc1, 2, etc
The thing with the AI Parkinson is that it is not Parkinson, it is an allusion and is just taking advantage of nostalgia. I would rather watch real humans have an actual interactions.
The set of Use cases for Michael Parkinson AI has barely been scratched. How about we get AI "Johnny Carson" to interview Donald Trump but we tell the AI to remove all combatitive questioning and steer the interview to give Trump the best outcome. Now take that a step further and have AI Johnny Carson interviewing AI Donald Trump. Now go further and have each of those interviews individually tailored to the listener.... The possibilities for weaponising this technology are endless.
The Parkinson thing is morally repugnant. A person isn’t a voice and a face, they so much more. Putting words in his mouth is grotesque and should not be encouraged or endorsed. 😡
Thank you for being a little pocket of calm and reason on the internet today
I've been a YT subscriber since the beginning and it was probably about a month ago when I realised it was also an audio podcast.
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I think the clue is in the name podcast. But they never mention finding them wherever you get your podcasts. 😅
Tbh I have to watch I couldn’t just listen
@@travelwell6049 The podcast experience is ugly on lots of levels.
@@travelwell6049 Agreed, I can't stand just listening to podcasts but i'm a 45yr old. But I also generally do not like podcasts in general. These 2 seem to have a strong focus to what they are discussing rather than the aimless nature I usually here or some angry political propaganda. Plus Richard is a handsome fella and Marina is of course gorgeous and a spectacle herself with her animated discourse. ❤
AI Parkinson is a gateway drug.
To AI dot cotton.
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I watch this podcast on UA-cam on my smart TV, in fact I only ever watch UA-cam on my TV! I record TV shows on the traditional linear channels but I never watch them live as they air. I think the future of TV will be more like the streaming model, even if programmes get released one episode per week (eg Agatha All Along on Disney+) you don't sit down at 8pm on a Thursday to watch live, you watch whenever is convenient for you, knowing the episode will be waiting for you.
Rolls-Royce cars are indeed owned by BMW. However, the true Rolls-Royce that make jet engines are still very much a UK company.
It took me a long time to enjoy audio only podcasts. I've always preferred having a video to go along with the audio.
That Michael Parkinson 'thing' is monstrous.
Didn't even get a free Parker pen for signing up 😂
It’s terrible.
Abominable
my question would be who wrote Michael Parkinson's questions? not being contrary and I don't know but that surely is the key here - is the AI a facsimile of Parky or is it trying to craft Parkinson like questions?
'Traditional' viewing of terrestrial TV is at risk because rather than scheduling a programme for every Monday night at 7:30pm, thus creating a 'family' event and a reason to tune in each week for the duration, they tend to broadcast the programme's first episode then instantly offer the remaining episodes to stream. This negates the 'traditional' regular viewing habits and encourages ad hoc binge-watching. Perhaps if broadcasters made the on-demand version only available after broadcasting the final episode they could address both viewing preferences.
Welcome to 2011
Best thing about BBC iPlayer is, the volume goes to 11
Although is it a bit dark? The brightness seems to be darker than say Netflix, UA-cam etc?
Thanks for providing something to watch over breakfast that is not to do with the election! 😂
(Hopefully you’re not going to mention it?!)
Just binge watched Wolf Hall again on iplayer waiting for the new series beginning this weekend. TV is not dead!
The problem with saying “the press didn’t tell us this” about what the ai Parkinson thing really was, is we all just heard the message Richard got to begin with, and that didn’t explain it properly either. It stinks of being a way to make what they’re doing more palatable, rather than anything earnestly using Parkinson as a vehicle to discuss AI
Thanks for the extra information on the AI Michael Parkinson. It does completely recontextualise the matter. I’m all in favour of supporting ethically trained ‘AI’ (and damning - or ideally seeing their trainers sued for compensation - unethically trained ones) and for debunking the highly exaggerated horror stories about what these generative algorithms are actually capable of. I’d certainly fully support Richard being a guest on the podcast and would be interested to hear both that and his feedback here about the experience.
Ah, i learned today that Parky was dead. Not sure how i missed that one. lol. Since i didnt know, i was very confused why the invite for the interview was declined. I would have been fooled. Thats a bit worrying.
One thing not mentioned about the demise of TV is that here in Canada cable TV is really expensive. When I moved here from the UK ten years ago, I found myself paying $60 a month to watch mostly ads and got rid of it almost immediately. I think the only people who still have cable are my elderly neighbours. Also, my kids don't even watch Netflix or Prime. They pretty much only watch UA-cam and TikTok.
Probably because this isn’t a Canada podcast
On the topic of podcast on UA-cam, I prefer watching people chat as opposed to just listening to them. It makes it feel like I’m part of the conversation or present as opposed to just listening into someone’s conversation
As someone who watched the birth of the 4th and 5th terrestrial channels live, I still watch almost all of my TV as it's broadcast on an actual telly, only streaming something afterwards if I missed it. "On demand" is often flaky or broken, and some of the UI's are utterly hopeless. I never binge anything. And it's all Freeview, I don't subscribe to anything. I'm stuck in front of a laptop 12 hours a day for work anyway, so UA-cam is the only place I get all my podcasts, sometimes I'll do that on the big telly too. Never watched or listened to anything on a phone.
One bit which is glossed over a little on the Parkinson bit is around consent. I understand the view that his son owns the tapes and he consents to it being used, but is that really a substitute for consent from the actual person, which of course is not possible in this case and as such should be left well alone.
Unless I am missing something where it was discussed prior to his death last year.
I don't know if there is a good time to revive a dead celebrity with an AI version, but a year after his death doesn't feel right, but only slightly less disrespectful if it was done 5+years later? If this was a wip before he passed away, it's only a little better than if he had no knowledge of it at all. It's freaky and uncanny af regardless, i don't like it.
You should ask AI Michael Parkinson a question you would ask an actual AI, ask him to write you a macro for excel to show a message box that says "Press OK if you want out of this interview!"
I love your guys show... !!! But id be interested to hear to hear if in this day and age should we pay for a tv license?
Very on point discussion about the melange of TV/Streaming/AI/Youtubification of podcasts, then present a podcast on YT that is edited by AI. You can catch an edit around 22:55 that was not made by a human editor. Richard and his arm seem to change position in his chair mid-sentence. If a human (or a competent human) made that edit, they would change from close shot to wide shot to cover the cut. This was not the only instance, there were several other earlier in the episode.
Very good point. Id missed that
I can listen to Podcasts at work, so I came across yours and have been listening for a few months
Thanks for bringing this early!
The Rest is Entertainment subscriber # 13 checking in from Canada. So 16 of us now...
I hope they make AI Parky glitch like Max Headroom.
I discovered this podcast on UA-cam and I watch every episode on my TV 👍
I introduced my 93-year-old father to UA-cam..He now very rarely watches anything on terrestrial TV. I haven't watched terrestrial TV for years now spending my time watching Netflix & youtube. I think you haven't forgotten how much gaming has gotten over the years it's really huge now.
I haven’t watched live TV for about 6 years 2:38 and don’t have a television license because I don’t need one. I always happily wait for a four part or 6 part drama to finish up so I can binge it.
Last week I binged The Nautilus in one day (10 hours). I love a bingeable boxset. But I have watched thing episodically on Amazon and Disney but only because I started watching it not realising it was being released like that. Picard being one that comes to mind.
Thank you! I'm watching from outside the UK and have never heard about this show, even though I love steampunk adventures. You gave a few hours of entertainment to two strangers, because me and my girlfriend immediately started watching it. Awesome show.
This made me wonder if watching on the high seas (Arrr!) is included in the statistics Richard mentions in this video.
My grandmother just died of Alzheimer’s/dementia and imagine if she could have had comfort listening to her own mother or father, who had long passed, talking back to her responsively when she needed reassurances.
In the future we could offer those sorts of benefits.
AI therapists-not ones currently marketed by therapy sites, but really personally trained ones I’ve seen in work already-could also be so reassuring to patients, and they could also inform medical providers and family of a patient’s status and needs.
It can also slow down those degenerative diseases by increasing elasticity in patients’ minds.
Alzheimer’s/dementia can be so distressing and exhausting to families-my mother didn’t mean to but she horribly resented that my grandmother remembered me, but forgot her. It was very tragic for her to lose her mom long before we lost her physically, and to actually be rejected by her mother.
There are so many patches for these types of problems. With consent etc. I see a lot of wonderful potentialities.
I understand everyone’s knee-jerk reactions to AI but we also won’t stop the future so we should embrace ethical and good solutions to usage.
I just started a UA-cam food and kitchen equipment review channel at the age of 70. I never watch BBC or any of the terrestrial channels and do not have Netflix but still pay for Prime, mainly for free delivery. I was amazed when UA-cam told me this week that even for my small but growing channel, 19% of my viewers watch on a TV and almost ALL of my current demographic are over 40. So, even us OldieWonks are moving away from linear terrestrial TV since it is quite clearly NOT free to view if you need to have a TV licence to watch live TV or BBC iPlayer. Watching recorded content supposedly 'live' is nonsense of course.
I'm watching this on utube because i'm indoors, usually podcasts when i'm gardening!
I still tune in every week for my scheduled shows. Thursday's are very special to me for Taskmaster reasons. My friends and family know to leave me alone that day or come over and watch it with me. Thursday's are for Taskmaster.
Taskmaster is the only show I watch 'linearly' without fail
I watch it on UA-cam and with listen on Android Podcast app.
Richard and Marina are so interesting.
Why would I limit my self ;)
Almost 60 something here. Cancelled TV licence as don't watch terrestrial linear TV ever. Most of what I watch is either uTube, streaming services or occasional catchup TV like Taskmaster on the 4app. I watch you guys on my big telly. It's good to be able to watch a vid and have the comments up on the screen at the same time. Nicer than squinting at my phone.
I cancelled my TV license before they changed the rules that you need it for BBC iPlayer. So I have it again, but if I didn't watch anything on iPlayer then I wouldn't. I don't think that should be controversial. I cancelled my gym membership too
The question this brought to me when they were talking about iplayer, is wtf did the beeb get rid of iplayer downloads ? I would consume probably most content from that. and as netflix and prime have both gone in opposite direction of adding download versions to streaming services, I dont believe the bbc reason of lack of demand for download
At 32 I don’t consider myself to be particularly young but looking at my screen time UA-cam is far and away my biggest entertainment provider. I really mostly watch Law and Order and F1 on TV.
I'm 39 years old, plus an additional 11% tax. Whilst there's a lot of concentration on the viewing habits of children, teens and young adults, and their shift away from traditional linear TV towards streaming, as an older person I have to mention that I have moved entirely to streaming content and choose to watch zero broadcast TV. I don't even own a TV, and haven't for over eight years. It's not just young 'uns whose habits are changing, linear TV is becoming less popular with many older folk too. And, to me, that is equally, if not more worrying for the future of TV as the changing habits of younger people.
.."as an older person"
Chill! You're 39. Don't be too quick to embrace that tag 😅
Marina doing this and The Rest is Politics at the same time, she's some woman! ;-)
Re Parkinson AI: who is it meant to appeal to? Those of us who grew up with him (and Harty) are likely to be appalled... younger audiences arent likely to be lured by an elder yorkshire voice.
Stephen Fry would be a great guest for the Michael Parkinson podcast. He has been interviewed loads by him in the past and is thoughtful and very into technology
So I'm Irish and with the discussion about the iPlayer we can't access it because Ireland. We can't subscribe because no subscription. We also in the case of Disney plus can't access Dr Who because apparently we are part of the BBC exclusive area. We can also no longer record BBC programmes on our TV boxes.
I know there are issues that you spoke about but if Disney+ can geoblock us and BBC van geoblock us surely there is some type of subscription that could work?
I always watch this podcast on UA-cam on my TV.
I'm interested in the AI interview and what has been talked about here but a question I do have for Richard is are you receiving a fee for it? I don't believe it was mentioned but would like to know before buying into the arguement here.
I'm still wondering when Ceefax will return. Very soporific!
I moved house 2 years ago and there was no aeriol or dish so we always watch on the broadband instead. I always turn the volume off for any adverts. I forward your podcast 'til i hear the music but here on yutube I pay for premium so that's another reason to listen to it here with no ads...love you bye
"Mirthlessly Joking" would be a good name for a politics podcast.
I listen to it alll the time, only look on UA-cam because I came across but - I can’t watch it while doing something else - but can do on audio
Endless reruns of Frasier, Big Bang etc tell you Channel 4 gave up on terrestrial TV years ago. Presumably advertising still makes their secondary channels viable, but they can't last much longer.
I was waiting for Richard to drop the bombshell that he was going to be doing this as an AI from now on and seeing Marina's reaction.
I like to watch the podcast for similar reasons as I liketo read the physical book along with the audio book. Immerse your self across sensory modalities :)
Can't wait til we have AI Michael Parkinson interviewing AI Billy Connolly
BBC could be a global brand. They have the brand recognition. They have the streaming platform. They have a huge back catalogue. They need to be unshackled.
I've only ever listen to podcasts on UA-cam. I have them on whilst i do stuff in the kitchen.
I understand Richard's view but I'm not keen on that complacent acceptance that 'this is the way things are moving' - I agree with Marina that we need to fight for public service broadcasting, and I'd go further in saying that we should be fighting for linear TV. Yes, people (young people such as myself in particular) are moving away from it, but I think we shouldn't be ashamed to say, 'actually, this linear form of broadcasting is valuable and beneficial for society and communities'. I don't think it's helpful to just accept the move to streaming as though it's completely inevitable - it will only be inevitable if we don't do anything to resist it.
Television is dead. Long live videodrome!
Bring on the AI of Emu. Though I suspect robotics would be more effective
Yes ! 😂😂😂
Michael Parkinson AI podcast - absolutely not! What a distasteful way of making money, and let's be honest, that's what it's about.
I doubt Parkie is too impressed looking down on us now 😅
I love regular old TV, mostly because I don’t want to have to scroll through thousands of options to find something to watch. I think I was the only person who loved that random button on Netflix. 😊
Does Rob Brydon use the same suite?
A couple of points: First, Richard said that "it is easy to make money on UA-cam" I don't think it is easy but it is probably far easier than making money on linear television. Second, how do live major sporting events buck the general trend?
Re the AI ‘experiment’ - is it not just a AI training exercise for the algorithm which at the end will have more date on how to improve next time.
Any 'coming of rage' stories?
Richard I trust you. If you think it’s worth looking at it do it.
Re the Michael Parkinson interview, I think as long as it is framed as an exploration of the state of AI right now, that is fine. Longer term, I think we will have to see how our ethics toward AI personalities develop.
AI Parky could interview Marina in the rather creepy way he did to Helen Mirren. Would love to hear her react to that.
I'm 34 and in the past 10 years Maybe I've watch 1 hour a week of tv. I mainly watch streaming or youtube. there is nothing on tv for young people . Tv abandoned young people when they got rid of TOP OF THE POPS.
I disagree with Richard's assessment. With streaming services being so geared towards pure viewer numbers for data acquisition and the predatory way algorithms are built to basically addict users to never leave their platforms. I think in that 5 years, there will be a backlash against these practices and see a return to a more passive viewing experience. You'll watch a BBC, or an ITV, or a Channel 4 because the show interests you. Not because an algorithm has been designed to make you addicted to whatever new hook has been created to keep you tuned in.
So putting a dead person's voice out there in a new context is acceptable because it's within the confines of "experimental"? It doesn't wash with me. I think it's unethical in the same way that I thought it was unethical that they made a CGI version of Audrey Hepburn to advertise Galaxy chocolate. These people haven't consented to their likeness being exploited and it changes the perception we have of them if that is what is done to them over time. And it's a slippery slope. If this is being discussed now, what will happen in 50 years? Human legacy will be distorted and time will be shifted.
Today perhaps isnt the day for hoping people fight for what they care about...
This is the same set as Rod Brydon uses/used. Oh there was an edit at Richard's '10' year prediction, because he doesn't want to say '5', or even '7'
Didn't local radio shows in the early days have "interviews" with famous guests. A tape would be sent out to the radio stations with blanks in the tape so the DJs would ask predetermined questions and the guests answering questions as if they were in the studio.
Ai Michael Parkinson seems like a Tv producer has found a way to monetise his famous dad.
Gutted Big Meeks wasn't there to represent The Rest Is Football on the US Election coverage
I'm watching 49 minutes of Richard, here, but only 30 minutes later on House of Games. UA-cam Wins...?!
Radio 4 had a program with deceased celebrities invited to a dinner party using audio clips to simulate a conversation.
I'm a 52 year old who hasn't watched linear TV for well over 10 years. UA-cam FTW! Feel free to blame me for all this!
Social viewing is a weird category to lump together. Twitch has a huge following, as does UA-cam for video games but that is very different from tiktok. Only thing similar is UA-cam shorts that is like tiktok, but UA-cam I mostly watch live streams and video essays the length of films so it seems like a bad grouping. Would love to see the data more detailed for my age group as that to me is more telling.
We watch the "podcast" on our TV every week (twice a week 🙂).
So sad about the way TV is going. So much of online content is a genuinely terrible influence and is in dire need of regulation
Now talk about the future of drama.
I really hope regular Tv survivies and I don't see why it can't. People as you know do tuen in when they make something good. And if they don't it still proves its worth when people catch up on streaming. Not to sound like an arse becasue I love normal TV, but they just don't make much that I enjoy and nothing I'm racing to watch. I think they can do better, I think we aren't factoring in how much the BBC got gutted in the last 15 years, which can be repaired.
I think they need to go back and look at what was working back around 2004-2010 because I think everyone was knocking it out of the park then...Yes some shows are of the past now, but there's much to learn from that era - And I personally think it begins with with trying to bring saturday night back to life.
As with many Saturday Night shows I think TV needs to do more live stuff...Take Ms Browns Boys, a disaster I know, but there is fun in feeling like it a live recording...I would love a sitcom that had to go out live. Live shows are best watched live, so I think they can draw more people back to the TV....One good live show a night could be the show to draw the audience back in and hopefully to stick aroudn to watch something else..
Regarding Virtually Parkinson. I understand why you would want a name, and likeness, such as Michael Parkinson, to host the show. But I wonder, would the show still work, even get the same traction and coverage if it was announced without a famous host?
I would be fascinated to know what the initial prompt would be to start the actual interview.
In Canada, at least, tv is not only super expensive but terrible repetitive nowadays. Even in the 2000s one channel would have many different programs. Now one channel has the exact same show and the same 5 episodes playing over and over again. The second the comedy channels started playing Big Bang Theory in December for two weeks straight, is the moment tv died for me.
But on the other hand, people are also getting real tired of paying for every streaming channel/app. Even youtubers started having their own channels apps (looking at you Watchers) that you have to pay for.
Edit: didn't quite a few actresses say that Michael Parkinson was very misogynistic? Or was that another interviewer?
Most of the broadcast TV I watch is sport.
I've just left the 16-35 yo bracket 😂. I don't watch the BBC because I don't have a TV licence. It's funny because if I could subscribe to the BBC I probably would 😂. Also I watch podcasts when I find them on YT but if I listen to them only first I can't watch them as I find it annoying 😂😂
I watch this on UA-cam on my 4k tv. In fact I ONLY watch it on my tv - if it was podcast only I wouldn’t ever listen to it.
We're heading to the point where the AI Michael Parkinson is interviewing an AI tailored celebrity. 😐
Deep fake AI, it would really be interesting to hear Mark Hamill’s take on this as he is still very much with us but most likely to be the one who this tech gets used for to tell Star Wars stories that include Luke Skywalker beyond the time when Hamill is no longer with us. Harrison Ford for the same reasons
If you tolerate this Parkinson thing you lose all ground to oppose the use of ai to replace (voice)actors with or without their consent. It really disturbs me.
that conversation should have stopped at 'there is no point'....I get the point that Richard is making, and it could be intersting as a one off, an experiment but that's about it. Because all it's doing is opening the door for the thousand of fake AI beloved national treasures to come instead of developing new talents. And there is no point in being interviewed by a fake Parkinson other than cashing in on people's nostalgia. All it is is a very good Rory Bremner.
for example, I am an f1 fan, but i have zero interest in watching races created by AI, in wich, let's say Ayrton Senna won races that he did not win in real life. I see no point in that whatsoever.
Yeah I don't see the purpose of burning so much electricity and computer power on developing these AI models.
I just don't get it.
@lakrids-pibe and it's opening a very dangerous door... Because once you've got that, the thinking becomes 'why should we put on very expensive live events, like big sports events, when we can create them with AI?.
@@lakrids-pibe In some cases their is value in training AI models but this isn't one of them. Bringing Parkinson back is nothing more than a gimmick.
@@dibdab101 That's basically how reality TV started, or at least how it became so prevalent but without AI. The big wigs said "Why should we pay big money for stars, scripts and so on, when we can shove 'real' people into a situation and film it." Now it's everywhere.
The Michael Parkinson podcast sounds like it might be interesting as a one-off, but I don't see how it would work as an ongoing podcast. Once you've heard the AI once, you've heard it. After that, it becomes a podcast about AI and that is only interesting if the people on it have something interesting to say on the subject. Random celebrities won't.
Don't attend parties on boats because of the implication.
People do not like liniar tv, it was all they had. Marina seems to unquestionably love the bbc etc. I'm almost 50 and haven't watched bbc or any other tv in 10-15 year (I have no idea where my remote is located). Why don't we have a tiered licence option - i'd happily pay for radio 4 and 6music, I could not care less about seeing bbc1, 2, etc
Why hasn’t an impersonator done this already?Plenty of folks don’t need visuals for a podcast.
Is there a word explaining why young people have Linear tv on in the background , just one channel and with subtitles?
I prefer to watch TRIE than listen only, which is why it's infuriating that the Tuesday episde is now not made available on YT until Wednesday.
The thing with the AI Parkinson is that it is not Parkinson, it is an allusion and is just taking advantage of nostalgia. I would rather watch real humans have an actual interactions.
The set of Use cases for Michael Parkinson AI has barely been scratched. How about we get AI "Johnny Carson" to interview Donald Trump but we tell the AI to remove all combatitive questioning and steer the interview to give Trump the best outcome. Now take that a step further and have AI Johnny Carson interviewing AI Donald Trump. Now go further and have each of those interviews individually tailored to the listener.... The possibilities for weaponising this technology are endless.
You mentioned 'why do people want to watch podcasts'
We all watch this one to see what clothes Marina has found in a dead woman's skip.
Question, how did you feel what was the atmosphere like after the show when Billy threatened to break Emu's neck and Rod Hulls wrist?
The Parkinson thing is morally repugnant. A person isn’t a voice and a face, they so much more. Putting words in his mouth is grotesque and should not be encouraged or endorsed. 😡