I want to say that everything West of Harold interlocking in owned by Amtrak. Remember that PSCC (Penn Station Control Center) is a joint venture between LIRR, NJT and AMT, but is primarily operated by LIRR.
The Pennsylvania Railroad built all this as you can sell from the signals. Very early on the PRR was involved with the LIRR. They ran the NE corridor trains from Washington DC to Penn Station and then parked the trains in Brooklyn, hence there being both third rail and catenary. Trains to Boston were run over the New York and New Haven, which until a few years was only electrified to New Haven. New Jersey Transit now runs the local service in NJ on the former PRR routes and others they hav
These codes were all for the train infront of us, which was approaching Penn Station. When not in a rush hour enviornment, it is usually a 60mph to 1/2 of a mile before penn, then a quick downgrade to 45 then 30 to enter the PSCC switches. Then there is a solid 15 mph speed limit, usually acompanied by a clear into the platform. Let me know if you have any other questions....CHEERS Dylan
For the East River tunnels, there are four single track tunnels, two inbound and two outbound. Their sister tunnels, the North River Tunnels under the Hudson River, have just two single track tunnels, one going in and one going out. Remember, both were built in 1910, so the current level of traffic was not at all anticipated, and engineers thought the two tunnels under the Hudson and the four under the East River were more than adequate to handle all the trains.
I used to ride up front of the old M3's and look out the front window. Sometimes the driver would keep his door open and chat with me. One winter night, after a lot of snow fell, I took a late train home out of Penn Station eastward to home. We passed the Harold Interlocking and the train gathered speed. The snow on the tracks was thick and our train was being passed by an express train also heading east. The pickups below were arcing on the third rail through the ice and snow making lavender and pink pyrotechnic orbs of light in the snow dust kicked up by the trains racing east on the main line. It was stunning to watch.
The tunnel is underground from Sunnyside Yard all the way past NYP, with a brief exposure west of NYP until Amtrak and NJT trains go into the Hudson River Tunnel.
@taylorveldman3832 This is peak rush into NYC, there are many many trains in the system all heading to Western Terminals. You can see at 1:11 the signal is flashing approach (approach medium) denoting train ahead. That signal cleared (went vertical) right before we passed it. Then at 4:18 you can hear the speed control bell and see the flashing yellow again (approach medium=45 mph code). Then at 4:47 you can see the solid yellow over red (approach) which is a 30mph code.
@TurgeonFan77132 Not sure, but this is common practice on most heavy rail lines. From my understanding it is to alert people (workers and such) who are in the tunnel that a train is entering / exiting due to the low visibility.
Acela transitions from NYP to the NEC via Hellgate Bridge. Trains depart NYP and travel out to LI, then diverge from LIRR at Sunnyside Yard up to Hellgate Bridge to join MetroNorth in New Rochelle. Acela trainsets are also stored at Sunnyside in Queens.
@dneidorff Actually the signal at 1:11 is an advanced approach signal which means you have to slow down to limited speed once you pass the signal and be prepared to stop at the next signal.
4 years late on this response, but advanced approach means proceed prepared to stop at the second signal, which really means the signal after the advanced approach is going to be an approach and the one after that a stop-signal.
@dneidorff- Dylan, why do all of the trains blow the horn upon entering the tunnel? Is this mandated by the LIRR as a precautionary thing. I've noticed it on here and whenever I take the train into Manhattan.
@dneidorff No problem! There are hundreds of rules for LIRR so unless You're an engineer and study them for months it's pretty hard to remember all those rules, but i don't think You can study it from the NORAC Rule Book since I'm pretty sure LIRR isn't controlled by NORAC signals but instead has it's own rule book which is the LIRR Book of Rules which is almost like the PRR Book of Rules except a few hundred rules added and a few rules changed but otherwise not much different.
i thought the LIRR had 174 M3 cars altogether?? I saw online that 2016 is when the M9's are supposed to come out to replace the M3's and earlier this year in the paper there was a story about the LIRR and in a list thingy it said that there were only 150 M3 cars for LIRR.. Did they retire some early or something or what??.......... If anyone knows??
What is truly amazing is that no police officer came up to you and said "NO PHOTOGRAPHY ALLOWED !", then ordering you to turn off your camera otherwise you will be under arrest. More and more of that is happening these days.
@lirr56890 This would be an M-3, unfortunately with the M-7s it is much tougher to get a view like this. Also the horn at 00:38 and the speed control warning should give away the M-3. Cheers DNEIDORFF
Very, very cool video. But....do you need special permission to make a video like this? About a year ago I was given a hard time by a conductor just for shooting still photos with my SLR!
Acela transitions from NYP to the NEC via Hellgate Bridge. Trains depart NYP and travel out to LI, then diverge from LIRR at Sunnyside Yard up to Hellgate Bridge to join MetroNorth in New Rochelle. Acela trainsets are also stored at Sunnyside in Queens.
I want to say that everything West of Harold interlocking in owned by Amtrak. Remember that PSCC (Penn Station Control Center) is a joint venture between LIRR, NJT and AMT, but is primarily operated by LIRR.
The Pennsylvania Railroad built all this as you can sell from the signals. Very early on the PRR was involved with the LIRR. They ran the NE corridor trains from Washington DC to Penn Station and then parked the trains in Brooklyn, hence there being both third rail and catenary. Trains to Boston were run over the New York and New Haven, which until a few years was only electrified to New Haven. New Jersey Transit now runs the local service in NJ on the former PRR routes and others they hav
that bell is the Speed Control warning. Everytime you hear it the speed command drops.
This is great I take the LIRR all the time since I was a kid I always winder what It looked like nice video Dave
These codes were all for the train infront of us, which was approaching Penn Station. When not in a rush hour enviornment, it is usually a 60mph to 1/2 of a mile before penn, then a quick downgrade to 45 then 30 to enter the PSCC switches. Then there is a solid 15 mph speed limit, usually acompanied by a clear into the platform. Let me know if you have any other questions....CHEERS Dylan
For the East River tunnels, there are four single track tunnels, two inbound and two outbound.
Their sister tunnels, the North River Tunnels under the Hudson River, have just two single track tunnels, one going in and one going out.
Remember, both were built in 1910, so the current level of traffic was not at all anticipated, and engineers thought the two tunnels under the Hudson and the four under the East River were more than adequate to handle all the trains.
I used to ride up front of the old M3's and look out the front window. Sometimes the driver would keep his door open and chat with me. One winter night, after a lot of snow fell, I took a late train home out of Penn Station eastward to home. We passed the Harold Interlocking and the train gathered speed. The snow on the tracks was thick and our train was being passed by an express train also heading east. The pickups below were arcing on the third rail through the ice and snow making lavender and pink pyrotechnic orbs of light in the snow dust kicked up by the trains racing east on the main line. It was stunning to watch.
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East River tunnel is quite long!
The tunnel is underground from Sunnyside Yard all the way past NYP, with a brief exposure west of NYP until Amtrak and NJT trains go into the Hudson River Tunnel.
Great catch! I remember riding that train everyday as a kid, when I used to live in NY. Awesome!
@taylorveldman3832 This is peak rush into NYC, there are many many trains in the system all heading to Western Terminals. You can see at 1:11 the signal is flashing approach (approach medium) denoting train ahead. That signal cleared (went vertical) right before we passed it. Then at 4:18 you can hear the speed control bell and see the flashing yellow again (approach medium=45 mph code). Then at 4:47 you can see the solid yellow over red (approach) which is a 30mph code.
@TurgeonFan77132 Not sure, but this is common practice on most heavy rail lines. From my understanding it is to alert people (workers and such) who are in the tunnel that a train is entering / exiting due to the low visibility.
Nice video. This shows the LIRR that I didn't really see when I was in NY. I only saw Hudson Yard from the high line.
It because Lirr is from long Island 😌
The LIRR's M-3 horn almost sounds identical to the horn used on the SEPTA Silverliner IV commuter rail units.
They're nearby, check the wikipedia article on "East River Tunnels," it gives the coordinates of the other three portals.
Nicely done. Very steady.
Thanks. I use to ride the LIRR,when I lived in NYC.
Acela transitions from NYP to the NEC via Hellgate Bridge. Trains depart NYP and travel out to LI, then diverge from LIRR at Sunnyside Yard up to Hellgate Bridge to join MetroNorth in New Rochelle. Acela trainsets are also stored at Sunnyside in Queens.
@dneidorff Actually the signal at 1:11 is an advanced approach signal which means you have to slow down to limited speed once you pass the signal and be prepared to stop at the next signal.
4 years late on this response, but advanced approach means proceed prepared to stop at the second signal, which really means the signal after the advanced approach is going to be an approach and the one after that a stop-signal.
mr train driver, why u shut off the lights?
Thank you, this has been added to a playlist...
Fantastic job! Thanks.
@LIRR175 The Camera is on the window molding of the exit door.
@dneidorff- Dylan, why do all of the trains blow the horn upon entering the tunnel? Is this mandated by the LIRR as a precautionary thing. I've noticed it on here and whenever I take the train into Manhattan.
@dneidorff No problem! There are hundreds of rules for LIRR so unless You're an engineer and study them for months it's pretty hard to remember all those rules, but i don't think You can study it from the NORAC Rule Book since I'm pretty sure LIRR isn't controlled by NORAC signals but instead has it's own rule book which is the LIRR Book of Rules which is almost like the PRR Book of Rules except a few hundred rules added and a few rules changed but otherwise not much different.
IIRC, I THINK Amtrak owns it. but both LIRR and Amtrak take responsibility in maintenance. I know the East River Tunnels are owned by Amtrak.
i thought the LIRR had 174 M3 cars altogether?? I saw online that 2016 is when the M9's are supposed to come out to replace the M3's and earlier this year in the paper there was a story about the LIRR and in a list thingy it said that there were only 150 M3 cars for LIRR.. Did they retire some early or something or what??.......... If anyone knows??
@TurgeonFan77132 The rule was originally created by the PRR. It's for safety reasons.
Every single time I'm on the train I wonder what it looks like... and I finally did :)
How did you keep the camera so steady passing through so many switches?
Can I make an MSTS horn sound out of the horn? I'll give credit.
@RogerEA919 Long Island, NY....We're in Queens right now, heading into Manhattan.
Why Acela in Long island!?
Ive had that conductor before (the voice you hear entering into Penn).. Did this train come from the Ronkonkoma branch by chane?
Whoa, Dude that's epic!
@mike82140 Mike, agreed! Apologize for the confusion, need to knock off the rust on the NORAC rule book.
Were u driving the train?
Quite frankly i like the ride of the M-3 over the M-7. Every time I'm on an M-7, it just sounds so clunky.
They have 174 M3 cars in total, but only 150 out of the 174 are in service.
At the end of the video, off to the left, do I see daylight coming from one of the tunnels? Where does that lead to?
That most likely hoes to New Jersey
*goes
A year late on the response, but that's West Side Yard where the LIRR stores its trains. You can see it pretty easily on Google Earth.
What is truly amazing is that no police officer came up to you and said "NO PHOTOGRAPHY ALLOWED !", then ordering you to turn off your camera otherwise you will be under arrest. More and more of that is happening these days.
Honesty Counts Why?
what's the speed here? I'm sure there's a limitation. Looks to be about 30 mph from start to tunnel to finish.
There was a train ahead, so they were under a yellow approach signal.
is this a m7 or a m3.
Nicky D an M3
@colfamatt Yeah! all taken with iPhone 4, autofocus! Woot!
nice vid!!
@lirr56890 This would be an M-3, unfortunately with the M-7s it is much tougher to get a view like this. Also the horn at 00:38 and the speed control warning should give away the M-3.
Cheers DNEIDORFF
Nope, M-3s have a small cab and a very large window upfront.
That's the East River separating Queens and Manhattan.
@dneidorff I couldn't make a good horn out of it. Sorry.
Very, very cool video. But....do you need special permission to make a video like this? About a year ago I was given a hard time by a conductor just for shooting still photos with my SLR!
@five0fan I don't see a problem with that. Please send me the file when completed. Thanks. dneidorff@gmail.com
Acela transitions from NYP to the NEC via Hellgate Bridge. Trains depart NYP and travel out to LI, then diverge from LIRR at Sunnyside Yard up to Hellgate Bridge to join MetroNorth in New Rochelle. Acela trainsets are also stored at Sunnyside in Queens.