@@DerekDavis213 That's the KF version ;) and right now the 12600K is about $280USD, you can use that difference in price with the 12700KF for a good CPU cooler, SSD etc. Either way, two very good CPUs
@@mrlmaokun You are right, $350 is the KF version. But who is going to use the weak onboard graphics anyway? Right now, 12700KF is about the same price as Ryzen 5800x. But 12700KF is 40 to 50% faster! Ryzen is no longer the smart choice. Intel is back on top!
A decent size heatpipe tower can easily dissipate 300-500W effectively depending on a number of factors. Mainly, if the thermal density isn't too high to be a bottleneck. The real bottleneck for most coolers is not the size of the cooler but the interface to the CPU. A 120mm rad can also easily dissipate that much power, again, if the interface is large enough to transfer heat efficiently. The advantage of bigger radiators is not the ability to dissipate more heat. A 360mm radiator can dissipate 1-2KW of power given a large enough thermal source, but we only need to dissipate hundreds of watts on a build like this. The advantage of the bigger coolers is that they are so oversized, that they can return near ambient temperature liquid to the socket to help overcome the thermal density bottleneck.
Using a 12700 and 4070 super, this cpu is faster than a ryzen 5900x closer to ryzen 7000 series plus it doesnt have bugs like 14th gen, 12th gen is a legendary cpu
i got i7 12700 with b660-g strix - it's bclk overclocked to 5.2ghz, ram 7000mhz cl32, ring 4750mhz, ecores disabled - no need upgrade for at least 2-3 years.
1:16 OMG i remember these!! well not exactly like THIS but like this. darker body with silver pins. maybe that was 50yrs ago, i remember from 20-30yrs ago or something like that.
tbh i always had my sights set on the 12700k - i wanted eight of those new 10nm big cores, the e-cores are just a bonus to me tbh, at this point i have a 7700k and a 6800xt, saving for that alder lake upgrade to finally stop bottlenecking my card
yesss. I mean i wish I had that gpu but ive had a gtx 1080 since 2016 along with my i74790kOC. Finally getting that new cpu 12700k with new ram and architecture is always awesome.
@@TristanTormey currently Ddr5 is bad lol. Twice the price but performance is same in most workloads. Ddr4 4000 cl16 is as good as even the best and super expensive Ddr5. In games ddr4 usually even wins.
was having drops in kill zone rpcs3 10k resolution with my 12400, and my fps would drop to 40s and back to 60. With my 12700, I hardly get any drops using the same resolution. Timespliters dolphin 8k I got drops using 12400. I no longer get those using the 12700. LFD2 would give me drops to the 60s from 120fps using multiple graphic mods using a 3080 RTX/12400. I no longer get those big drops with the 12700. This cpu is a monster. I didn't expect it to stabilize my FPs so much, but I was hoping it did.
As Ryzen 3700x owner, I think Intel still makes the beter cpus for ordinary everyday use. Having 8 cores / 16 threads being populated is just too rare in daily tasks. Having 1/2/4 fast cores is generally better than 8 slower ones of which about half sit idle because of poor multitreading.
its not that intel does a better job! AMD is too advanced and its because both MS and game editor prefer to focus on max 4 cores and are looking for the broader spectrum to sell more games. But things changed since ryzen 5000 series and you can bet that more V cache will benefit a lot in games. This Intel gen is just another placeholder. 14 gen is looking to be amazing though.
Who needs ddr5 when the AlderLake performs pretty good with ddr4. And in gaming the perf is gimped by the e-cores. Looking forward to the lower end alderlake cpus.
It is not gimped by the e cores. I haven really had much of an issue with games using e cores. I use process lasso to make sure certain apps only use certain cores anyway. I found better CPU utilization on windows 11 also, on windows 10 a lot of cores are parked but on 11 they're all used and it shows in using the OS in general.
@@ChrisB-vb9hh how many times did you have to replace that defective cpu,I was going to get 13600 an upgraded 12700, but then I read 13/14 has defective chips that crash and will die and need to keep being replaced, so that turned me away. I just went ahead and bought a 12700 last week instead.
Thank you, Leo! Yes, just wait for the B660 motherboards, ditch the PCIe 5.0 (completely unusable), and use DDR4 for your 12600K and 12700K. I don’t understand why everyone is jumping onto the Z690 motherboards.
@Dr_b_ Nah, disagree, because moores law won't go forever a, and b, even in 3 years from now, people will still b using the bords on older systems, whilst maybe thinking to upgrade the GPU. The systems back then were slow, today they are fast, faster won't make the fast slow, and physics will slowly always make it harder and harder. pcie5 stuff will be out in 1-2 years at max, look how fast the digital world is changing. And imagine now buying a board without that and in half a year or year, after spending 2 grand on a setup, needing to replace the fkin board for a new gpu upgrade.. 🤦
@Dr_b_ Yes but it is not same companies mate. It's not Intel dropping the GPU's, yet they are futurproofing their bords for their expected next upgrade cycle of the market. If they don't bring it now and November Nvidia drop it matching AMD drop it with their new Zen4, they are the half year behind. Look how fast this market is moving atm... Look at the leap from the 9900k to the 12900k now in just 2-3 years, it's crazy. So if they don't jump on pcie5 now and then need to come with it the following year as the underdog, all z690 bords will be lacking the new tech form in 2022/2023, with a need to maybe feel like switching to AMD for the last 2022 for the absolut geeks. And again, it's all seperate companies, so who's the first mover.. Gotta be one, and imo it makes perfect sense for that to be the motherboards who futur proof their stuff and are the first movers for connectivity, else than gpus/devices being a first mover where the whole product defines itself over that connection and basically then would be totally useless until a bord pops up for them to even make their first sales
OP, some gamers are disabling E cores and raising frequency on P cores at much higher number, have you tried that yet? I Would like if you made a video on that.
If you have seen specific gaming benchmarks that show P cores alone give higher frame rates then do please post a link. In Windows 11 we can see the benefit of the Hybrid Architecture approach.
Both the 12600k and 12700k make Zen 3 look silly. They cost less than Zen 3, have more performance, and both use less power in gaming. Also on a better platform with PCIe 5.0, otpional DDR5 with on-die ECC, USB 4+Thunderbolt 4, and LGA1700/Z690/B660 have an upgrade path to 13th gen, while AM4 will not support Zen 4. Also you dont even need DDR5 to beat Zen 3, dont listen to Leo about that one, every other review shows 12th gen on DDR4 performing similarly, still beating Zen 3 handily in games
yes 12th gen is great but zen3 is one year old already. Zen3D will arrive q1 2022. I think That will be much more in line as a competitor to intels 12th gen. Also, AM4 has supported many generations of ryzen cpus and will most likely support the upcoming Zen3D. Lets not forget AM4 beat intel to pcie4 ;-) I'm sure AM5 will support pcie5
my cl14 Samsung b-die @ 4000mhz easily sweeps any ddr5 kit on the market and I can still push it more. even if you wanted ddr5, it's not even available anywhere.
@@pistachiobandanos904 Zen3D will not beat alder lake. It is not a competitor it was planned generations in advance. It will tighten the gap, but it's not gonna be a game changer. Intel has won this round even though 11th gen was supposed to compete with Zen 3. Intel 13th gen will get obliterated by Zen 4 though. It's only supposed to be a refresh, meanwhile AMD will have its Alder Lake moment with Zen 4. Intel's gonna be in trouble come Q2-Q3. 5nm Zen 4 vs 10nm 13th gen.
It only took a beat down from AMD for Intel to finally get back in the game! More interested in their GPU line. I hope they bring some competition there!
AlderLake is good, but I am glad I returned my 12600k for a stonking deal on the 10700k for $150 at Microcenter. I built a CPU/Mobo combo for half the cost of my 12600k deal and my frames are near identical in gaming...
For the most part it will be like that for most fames unless you play alot of rts or other cpu damanding games. Otherwise the performance difference wont be much of a difference between close generation cpu
@@BBWahoo "single core performance" is a lie for _gaming_ . I can tell you right now, my 3600 was 20fps below my 10700k in all scenarios in Escape from Tarkov. And the 10700k is identical to 12th gen Intel. The way these cpus use boost and multi core in gaming along with the combination of GPU and Memory is very complex.
12700k(KF) is the way to go this round with Intel IMO. The 12900k is just too much of a power hog and a space heater. The 12700k can is almost as fast; it is not even noticeable unless you look at benchmarks which does not reflect real work usage anyway. A few frame rates here and there is not noticeable when playing games anyway no matter what people claim based on FPS. You will never know you are on a 12700k or 12900k just by playing games alone. IMO the 12600 and 12700 makes far more sense then the 12900. Based on power consumption and heat, the 12900 is just not a good buy IMO. Some may disagree which is fine, I'm just looking at data. I picked up a 12700KF from Best Buy and I love it. Got a DDR4 MB for I could keep using my 64GB of DDR43600 and I am good for the next several years. I'm using my trusty Noctua NH-D15S running cool and quiet with a Fractal Design Torrent because I'm using air cooling.
DDR5 is the biggest paper launch of the year, have yet to see it in stock everywhere. Good thing they had plenty to send to these influencers cause of course they did.
Why would you want current Ddr5? It's just straight up bad lol. You pay twice the price for same performance in majority of workloads compared to ddr4. Ddr5 needs at least a year and half to become competitive.
@@damara2268 because it is superior to ddr4? Because you won't have to swap your motherboard to love to it later when the timings get better? Quit crying
almost 3 years later I went with a i7 12700k and the ASRock z690 Taichi ( at 199.9 vs the launch price of 589.) and CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) to test the intal ARc a770 in a balanced built I then moved my old 3090 T.i Fe card over to it and its been a fun machine I don't see me replacing it any time soon If I need to it ca nbe upgraded to 13th and 14th gen but why bother after al lthe hoopla that went on with those
/What does the MSI z690 unify's BIOS have to do with this review? The bios will look different with different capabilities and settings on diffferent motherboard models and brands. Right?
Thanks for your video! You are very well spoken and articulate, of which I immensely appreciate. I also appreciate you integrity when recommending a particular product, in that you do so as a consumer and not necessarily a enthusiast. I have a couple of questions, that I hope you have the time to answer for me, but if you dont, I completely understand. My first being, why is such a big emphasis being put on power efficency in the chips? Its almost like AMD, everytime Intel beats them in performance, they say " well we have great power efficiency". thats great but intel still wins. they say "we have better IPC" Intel still wins though. why do they do this? My second being, I am a contractor. In a month or month and a half I will have enough money to upgrade my system. This upgrade will involve a new, monitor (high refreshrate 1440p bigger than 27"), keyboard (rgb), VR headset kit(valve index), and PC, with everything in the PC being new except for the GPU(3080Ti), of which I will transfer over. The PC will have a custom waterloop to cool the CPU(i912900k), and GPU as well. the PC will also have all RGB fans, 2x 2TB 980 pro SSD's, and RGB, GPU plug in extensions, and run on Windows 11 pro. I have been trying to source parts for over a month, and find myself banging my head against the wall. Have tried Newegg Pc builder but there are nuances that that system doesnt understand. I just need someone to just spell it out for me. A list for a case, all the way down the line to get everything, and I would get it. but it has to be thorough and account for everything, even potential screws. Can you advise on this? any full build suggestions? my budget is about 5-6000.00 USD
Noctua D15 and a handful of other air towers can handle impressively high levels of power. Box coolers that come with the CPU are a completely different story.
Just a thought, what if we saw a 12650K but it was missing the e-cores? Might not be possible given the 12600 would have "2" more cores so there isn't room, but maybe eventually we'll see higher P-core variants without E-cores, the 12400/F will be interesting too whenever it appears.
Why would you not want the E cores? It’s what’s made the iPhone 13’s battery last so much longer and given the phone a 120hz refresh rate. The E cores are no joke.
I laughed at the 450 price tag when it launched. But I just found the 12700K for 370 on newegg and had to go for it. At only $70 more than the current $300 for 12600K for an extra 2P core 4 thread plus more cache it's much easier to recommend at that price gap vs the $130 initial launch price gap.
I got a 12700K for $350 at Best Buy by price matching Microcenter. It is a beast. I am going to need to upgrade my cooler. 240mm doesn't quite cut it with some OC under the hood.
I like how Intel has bounced back, but I have to see how it matures. Ryzen, specifically Zen 1, had some memory timing issues that gave me pause but those did eventually get worked out - it was at that point I jumped into the platform - it matured nicely and quickly. I'll have to see how well and how quick 12th gen matures before I could switch back to Intel even if it has the performance, the E-core - P-cores and scheduling problems (in Windows and Linux) are slightly more serious then Zen's initial memory timing problems. Well, at least I'm in a good place with my system that I'm not in need of an upgrade. :-)
The scheduling issues are way way less concerning than people originally predicted. I have a 12600kf since launch, I've yet to run into a single application or game that behaved incorrectly, no stutters in games no lag, no performance loss. Out of the hundreds of games Intel there is only like 12 games on W11 that have issues, and those can be fixed by pressing scroll-lock to sleep the E-cores while playing those games until they are patched. And since this is a software issue, unlike Zen1's memory, it will be constantly improved. I would have zero concerns recommending 12th gen to anyone based on the scheduler.
@@__aceofspades Depends - it's a rather big concern on Linux esp if one enables XMP - Wendel did a video on it a few days ago. Yes I'm a Linux user... :-)
@@__aceofspades I also have a big game collection - rather worried about the older titles I still play that are very likely to never get updated to recognize the CPU cores properly.
@@atlantic_love i have my games on both platforms (so I game in both). Otherwise I'm squarely in the Linux camp for all other computer use cases, and it works out far better for me. :-)
Bro will the NH-U12A chromax which i already purchased. But have option to return and buy nh-d15 chromax. Is it good for 12700k ? My work is 3d modeling and rendering. Thank u
Will the 240/280mm aio cooler be enough for no thermal throttling for 12700kf? I am planning to use it for gaming streaming @3440x1440p with lancool 215x and rtx 3070
Yeah, its more than enough especially for gaming. Just pick a good one, plenty of reviews on UA-cam. Going up to a 360 allows the fans to spin slower since there is a bigger area for heat dissipation so it runs quieter, thermal difference is minimal
@@ij6708 I've gone with 280mm.. nzxt x63...still not delivered due to lga1700 kit unavailability. Hope it will keep the 12700kf under control under heavy loads 🤞
Looking at those charts, I'm highly intrigued by the results showing the stock 12600K beating the stock 12700K, and by some margin, at least in a few cases. I don't know how that would happen given their respective features, power levels, and clocks. Personally, I think those results warrant a closer look and exploration of exactly what is causing them.
Probably a tighter thread distribution being more efficient on the lower core 12600K. Disable 2 P-cores on the 12700K and let's see if there's a change.
I can imagine that being caused by insufficient software for they hybrid architecture. I bet when Windows as well as gaming software becomes better at using the hybrid cores, we could see the performance differences increase.
The fact that the 11700k managed to perform neck to neck in gaming its pretty remarkable. Its shows that the P cores are pretty much the same just on a smaller node.
Great work. Just a fast question. I have the LG 27GP850 144HZ monitor pluged in an nvidia 1660 super. I cant turn on the G-SYNC. Is it cause i m still on windows 7 64bit? If not, what s the way to do it?
Well said, well done. You can really the difference between AMD and Intel in financial scale as AMD's Zen 3 architecture will see 4 generations of Intel processor 10,11,12 & 13. Albeit AMD will be using process to add 3D v-cache versus bringing out a new architecture. Alder Lake isn't quite a slam dunk and since AMD can still leverage their AM4 platform advantage, I can imagine why there may be a reluctance on AMD's part to dropping prices vociferously. Unless someone isn't vendor agnostic then it would be reasonable to wait for AMD's 3D v-cache response and make a build decision.
Right. There are still times where chips will be sold out on AMD's website. As long as the demand's there, why drop prices? As you said, Zen 3 has been around for 3 generations of Intel, and Intel has just now offered a great competitor. Just in time for Zen3D to step in.
A bigger cache cant compute anything, so the processing power should be the same as before, but with software that takes advantage or benefits of data in cache will be faster.
@@devinmcdrip When I'm running all cores on 12700k at 100% (Cinebench R23), it only uses about 250 watts of power. When I'm running Unigine Valley at maximum settings, it only uses about 280 watts of power. Big power supplies are over-rated, and not really necessary.
Hello everyone, how have you been? At this moment is it feasible to buy a processor? I would like to upgrade my processor and board, I have an i7 7700 and was thinking about the i7 12700k, but I don't know if it's worth waiting for something better to come out this year or waiting for the prices to drop, I don't know. Can anyone advise me? I was thinking of just changing those two things, processor and board and keep what I have (ram ddr4 2400, gtx 1060) Thanks, greetings
I'm a video editor, I bought this cpu 12700K, thinking I won't need a GPU because of the iGPU. I have a 1060 GPU, is it even worth putting it in my system? or just run off the iGPU?
The monitor doesn't factor in that equation. Perhaps you meant "how does this monitor fair with the 2070?". Or maybe you were wondering if the cpu plays well with the 2070?
I just don't like the idea that a 360 AIO was needed to make it look cooler , put a factory cooler on it like a 5600x runs and lets see that boost with some DDR 4 memory ..
Given that Intel ships CPUs without a cooler, isn't that similar to saying let's test Core i7 and Core i9 against Ryzen 9 with a basic cooler and watch them all struggle?
I work at home on RYZEN 7 3700x on x570 AsRock Steel Legend, while in the company I have i7 10700k on Asus Prime Z490 / 32 GB DDR4 3000 mhz. Ovecklocking on AMD is a horror 3.6 at 4.1 max and it doesn't work stably, while Intel boosts to 5.0 and everything slips. All applications. Photoshop, In Design, Illustrator, Corel, everything works better on Intel than on AMD ... I'm not playing
Finally, someone who understands intel chips. Too many mainstream youtubers haven't got a clue. Sponsored, scripted bs. Appreciate the content kitguru.
Well done video. I have subscribed. I was debating with myself over i9 12 and i7 12 but hey do you lose so much as to not consider i5 12 and spend the money maybe on gpu.
The max my 12400 can handle is 3080. Anything stronger than that gpu and drops and stuttering happens, I know, because I have a 4070ti and the CPU works way smoother with the 3080,4070ti is a less vram/cooler/better dlss version of 3090,which is why I bought this monster cpu 12700 couple days ago for 200 used I bought 12400 2 years ago
@@smokegames1179 I was having drops in kill zone rpcs3 10k resolution with my 12400, and my fps would drop to 40s and back to 60. With my 12700, I hardly get any drops using the same resolution. Timespliters dolphin 8k I got drops using 12400. I no longer get those using the 12700. LFD2 would give me drops to the 60s from 120fps using multiple graphic mods using a 3080 RTX/12400. I no longer get those big drops with the 12700. This card is a monster. I didn't expect it to stabilize my FPs so much, but I was hoping it did.
Power efficiency .. You're clearly not looking at actual workload, but instead you're focused solely on peak draw at peak workload. Measure the total power consumption of the AMD 5950X vs Intel's i9-12900K during a work day. The AMD is extremely inefficient at lower workloads and idle. You're absolutely going to find AMD is drawing more power and unless you're a fool, you know it. My i9 is sitting in its box. Awaiting high-end DDR5 meanwhile, my i7 with its fast low latency DDR4 is purring right along. You can keep AMD along with its buggier than hell drivers.
Leo here: Taking your last point first I seem to have two choices, either I am a fool or I am dishonest and neither of those appeals. Your point about total power draw (ie. the area under the curve) might be valid however Ryzen 9 5950X performs better and uses less power than Core i9-12900K and is a win-win. If you use your PC for light workloads for the majority of the day you may well find an Intel PC uses less total power than an AMD syetem however you need to define 'daily workload' and then replicate it time after time. In essence that is PC Mark 8, which we use to test batteries on laptops. Flipping the point around, if you are mightily concerned about cumulative power draw, why on earth would you consider either Ryzen 9 or Core i9? I hate to project but it feels like you might be experiencing a touch of buyer's remorse. Having said that you will find the new Core i9 to be impressive but you will absolutely want to strap on an effective cooler.
I'll buy the 12900K and run it stock. I've never really understood the need for overclocking chips at these levels. How much performance do you really need. Running at stock, these chips will give you plenty of performance.
The people doing the overclocking aren't doing it for performance needs, lol. They're like the Linux crowd. An operating system is an operating system. They like Linux because of the tinkering capabilities. They're not busy out on dates, lol. Same with the overclocking. It's for people who like to tinker and give their systems coronaries for bragging rights.
I bought i7 12700K and i set voltage to 1.22V @Bios, because this is HOT CPU... i9 12900K costs 200€ more, its waste of money, better get some SSD for newest games 😇
@@chalky007 ah ok , got it now...So in order to use that igpu we need to have motherboard with hdmi/DP output right? Does all the motherboards nowadays come with those ports?
@@DV-cm3tb But that's because more people, from poorer counties, have lesser systems. These people generally don't have this year's chips or GPU's as well. My point being, 1080p benchmarks are useless.
This is a CPU review. To evaluate CPU performance, you need to minimize other performance limiters like running games at resolutions that fully load the GPU used for testing.
1080p benchmarks are for picking a winner in the minds of the audience and to create buzz/hype. After all UA-cam is a marketing platform. Once you get GPU limited at 1440/4k then where's the need to buy the latest product.
@@maxwellsmart3156 I don't know why you are looking for GPU-limited results in a CPU review. They have no place here. In fact, I personally think testing 1080p is putting too much load on the GPU for the purposes of this review already.
Why not put the i9 9900k on these tests as well? Mine at stock settings puts up 1300 Cinebench R23 single core points. That beats the last two entries on that graph. Multi core score was 12,544 which beats the last 3 entries in your graph. This is on my gaming machine with tons of background apps and a browser open, so I am sure it would increase a little if it was just a test bench setup. All this latest generation of CPUs from Intel proves to me is that they purposefully ripped off their customers for years with minor 5% increases in performance generation by generation. So now we all want to praise them for suddenly actually doing something after AMD innovated and took the crown? I certainly don't, which is why I never upgraded to 10th Gen and won't buy Alder Lake either. Finally, I am not sure what you guys are testing in gaming and using an RTX 3080? Notice all your frame rates are basically within 5 to 10 frames of each other? It is useless. Test it with an older GPU like a GTX 1060 or something, which most of the world is still using (according to Steam user stats). But even then, I would guess the gaps wouldn't be too much different.
There is no reason not to include Core i9-9900K, apart from the time it takes for testing. In fact you can make a case for going back to 8th Gen. The thing is, if you are keenly interested in CPU grunt you would have ditched 9th Gen a while back, so we wouldn't be influencing your buying decision.
I would rather have an i5-13600K, there's really not much difference but I'd still prefer the newer Intel chip for my next build. That's the chip I will be using.
Ecores are pointless. Why would you buy a 16 core processor when half the cores are low powered efficiency core when you could buy an actual 16 core processor for around the same price and it has 16 full power cores. These are desktop processors, not mobile, efficiency doesn't matter.
i7 12700k has 8 high power cores with multithreading. Just like the 5800x, but also has E-cores that are as fast as previous generations cores. My 12600K consumes less then 4 watts mostly when watching youtube and doing desktop-stuff. I like it. Cant even hear the fan spinning on the cooler, and my highest cpu-temp right now is 24 degrees.
Alder Lake makes sense because currently 12700KF is the same price as Ryzen 5800x. But 12700 smokes Ryzen in performance: 40% faster when running Cinebench R23 multi-core, for example. And B660 and H670 motherboards are available and much cheaper than z690. As a former Ryzen fan, I hate to admit it: Alder Lake is now the way to go, for sure.
Sorry but you can't compare, do the same thing (high performance task) and use twice the energy and things done a little faster. Not worth the costs of new socket mb, all AMD have to do imo is keep with efficiency of 5000's series and same performance or more or slightly more power draw and more performance and the they've won again.
Yes we are well aware of the differences but the alternative would be to ignore AMD Zen 3 which would be ridiculous ua-cam.com/video/B5-AZReX1kQ/v-deo.html
The fact that the 12600K works almost as good as its bigger brother for 2/3rd the price is pretty amazing.
The i5 did better than the i7 in some games and it makes me think that the Thread Director still need some work.
This has always been the case for i5 and i7 when it comes to gaming. It was like that when I had Sandy Bridge, Coffee Lake and now with my Alder Lake.
12700k is 30% faster than 12600k, and 12700k sells for $350 USD at Amazon. That is amazing!
@@DerekDavis213 That's the KF version ;) and right now the 12600K is about $280USD, you can use that difference in price with the 12700KF for a good CPU cooler, SSD etc. Either way, two very good CPUs
@@mrlmaokun You are right, $350 is the KF version. But who is going to use the weak onboard graphics anyway?
Right now, 12700KF is about the same price as Ryzen 5800x. But 12700KF is 40 to 50% faster! Ryzen is no longer the smart choice. Intel is back on top!
just grabbed this 12700k with a Z690-PLUS TUF Gaming WiFi DDR4 for $350. Couldn't pass it up!
A decent size heatpipe tower can easily dissipate 300-500W effectively depending on a number of factors. Mainly, if the thermal density isn't too high to be a bottleneck. The real bottleneck for most coolers is not the size of the cooler but the interface to the CPU. A 120mm rad can also easily dissipate that much power, again, if the interface is large enough to transfer heat efficiently.
The advantage of bigger radiators is not the ability to dissipate more heat. A 360mm radiator can dissipate 1-2KW of power given a large enough thermal source, but we only need to dissipate hundreds of watts on a build like this. The advantage of the bigger coolers is that they are so oversized, that they can return near ambient temperature liquid to the socket to help overcome the thermal density bottleneck.
Using a 12700 and 4070 super, this cpu is faster than a ryzen 5900x closer to ryzen 7000 series plus it doesnt have bugs like 14th gen, 12th gen is a legendary cpu
i got i7 12700 with b660-g strix - it's bclk overclocked to 5.2ghz, ram 7000mhz cl32, ring 4750mhz, ecores disabled - no need upgrade for at least 2-3 years.
@ do you i think i can do it with a B610H
@@smokegames1179 nope, you need b660 strix g or f or b760m pg riptide
what i like about this beast is - I do not need any overclocking, it is so so fast and not even warm.
Best review of 12700k (and 12600k as as well) - very comprehensive!
1:16 OMG i remember these!! well not exactly like THIS but like this. darker body with silver pins. maybe that was 50yrs ago, i remember from 20-30yrs ago or something like that.
tbh i always had my sights set on the 12700k - i wanted eight of those new 10nm big cores, the e-cores are just a bonus to me tbh, at this point i have a 7700k and a 6800xt, saving for that alder lake upgrade to finally stop bottlenecking my card
yesss. I mean i wish I had that gpu but ive had a gtx 1080 since 2016 along with my i74790kOC. Finally getting that new cpu 12700k with new ram and architecture is always awesome.
@@TristanTormey currently Ddr5 is bad lol. Twice the price but performance is same in most workloads.
Ddr4 4000 cl16 is as good as even the best and super expensive Ddr5. In games ddr4 usually even wins.
@@damara2268 yeah I already got a ddr4 mobo 5 not worth the price
last year i got an rtx 3070 in my 6700k pc(before prices went mad). just got a 12700k this week and its a world changer. you will feel like a new man
@@WindFrozer exactly my situation right now. Idk what to choose between the 12700k or ryzen 5800x. Any advices?
How did you get to the fan selection settings screen at 5:07? You lost me there as the "bios tour" chapter didn't show very much of the bios.
was having drops in kill zone rpcs3 10k resolution with my 12400, and my fps would drop to 40s and back to 60. With my 12700, I hardly get any drops using the same resolution. Timespliters dolphin 8k I got drops using 12400. I no longer get those using the 12700. LFD2 would give me drops to the 60s from 120fps using multiple graphic mods using a 3080 RTX/12400. I no longer get those big drops with the 12700. This cpu is a monster. I didn't expect it to stabilize my FPs so much, but I was hoping it did.
Passing by, seeing the screensaver with you, the first thought came: "is Olaf Scholz going to tell me about processors now?"
As Ryzen 3700x owner, I think Intel still makes the beter cpus for ordinary everyday use. Having 8 cores / 16 threads being populated is just too rare in daily tasks. Having 1/2/4 fast cores is generally better than 8 slower ones of which about half sit idle because of poor multitreading.
its not that intel does a better job! AMD is too advanced and its because both MS and game editor prefer to focus on max 4 cores and are looking for the broader spectrum to sell more games.
But things changed since ryzen 5000 series and you can bet that more V cache will benefit a lot in games. This Intel gen is just another placeholder. 14 gen is looking to be amazing though.
@@fan2hd277 amd ryzen 5700g is 7nm consume less electricity also heats up less
@@importantsomeone153 Also useless AMD rubbish
@@fan2hd277 AMD doesn't work good because it is TOO advanced ,, LMAO ,, you AMD cult FOOL
I just love all the Ecore micro stutter fps drops good review 👍
Who needs ddr5 when the AlderLake performs pretty good with ddr4. And in gaming the perf is gimped by the e-cores. Looking forward to the lower end alderlake cpus.
Latency is horrendous. I remember my own DDR4 on X99 transition being a bios tweaking nightmare, but at least we got a performance leap for it.
It is not gimped by the e cores. I haven really had much of an issue with games using e cores. I use process lasso to make sure certain apps only use certain cores anyway. I found better CPU utilization on windows 11 also, on windows 10 a lot of cores are parked but on 11 they're all used and it shows in using the OS in general.
Thanks for including Blender benchmark!
Switched from 3700x to 12700k and I don’t know if anyone else noticed how stable it feels in comparison
What do you mean by saying that? I have a 3700X and it definitely bottleneck’s my 12GB 3080!?! Is the 12700K worth it?
@@ChrisB-vb9hhyea
@@cmoneytheman that’s old, I have a 4080 super and a 14700K so life is good now!! Lol
@@ChrisB-vb9hh how many times did you have to replace that defective cpu,I was going to get 13600 an upgraded 12700, but then I read 13/14 has defective chips that crash and will die and need to keep being replaced, so that turned me away. I just went ahead and bought a 12700 last week instead.
@@cmoneytheman just upgraded, didn’t have to switch any parts out. I just wanted a rig that will play 4K games effortlessly and that’s what I did!
The Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 EVO hold on an i9 12900K? For gaming and Adobe programs.
Yo I died when he said "you made advancements in 50 years and jolly well done" lol
Thank you, Leo! Yes, just wait for the B660 motherboards, ditch the PCIe 5.0 (completely unusable), and use DDR4 for your 12600K and 12700K. I don’t understand why everyone is jumping onto the Z690 motherboards.
@Dr_b_ Latency is horrendous though. Do you figure it'll be tightened significantly with maturation/tweaking of the process?
@Dr_b_ so what makes more sense, pcie5.0 devices with no boards that support it?
One simply has to start ;)
@Dr_b_ Nah, disagree, because moores law won't go forever a, and b, even in 3 years from now, people will still b using the bords on older systems, whilst maybe thinking to upgrade the GPU.
The systems back then were slow, today they are fast, faster won't make the fast slow, and physics will slowly always make it harder and harder. pcie5 stuff will be out in 1-2 years at max, look how fast the digital world is changing. And imagine now buying a board without that and in half a year or year, after spending 2 grand on a setup, needing to replace the fkin board for a new gpu upgrade.. 🤦
@Dr_b_ Yes but it is not same companies mate. It's not Intel dropping the GPU's, yet they are futurproofing their bords for their expected next upgrade cycle of the market. If they don't bring it now and November Nvidia drop it matching AMD drop it with their new Zen4, they are the half year behind. Look how fast this market is moving atm... Look at the leap from the 9900k to the 12900k now in just 2-3 years, it's crazy. So if they don't jump on pcie5 now and then need to come with it the following year as the underdog, all z690 bords will be lacking the new tech form in 2022/2023, with a need to maybe feel like switching to AMD for the last 2022 for the absolut geeks.
And again, it's all seperate companies, so who's the first mover.. Gotta be one, and imo it makes perfect sense for that to be the motherboards who futur proof their stuff and are the first movers for connectivity, else than gpus/devices being a first mover where the whole product defines itself over that connection and basically then would be totally useless until a bord pops up for them to even make their first sales
@@phillipshaku1046 Are you in the PC building business?
OP, some gamers are disabling E cores and raising frequency on P cores at much higher number, have you tried that yet? I Would like if you made a video on that.
If you have seen specific gaming benchmarks that show P cores alone give higher frame rates then do please post a link. In Windows 11 we can see the benefit of the Hybrid Architecture approach.
Both the 12600k and 12700k make Zen 3 look silly. They cost less than Zen 3, have more performance, and both use less power in gaming. Also on a better platform with PCIe 5.0, otpional DDR5 with on-die ECC, USB 4+Thunderbolt 4, and LGA1700/Z690/B660 have an upgrade path to 13th gen, while AM4 will not support Zen 4. Also you dont even need DDR5 to beat Zen 3, dont listen to Leo about that one, every other review shows 12th gen on DDR4 performing similarly, still beating Zen 3 handily in games
yes 12th gen is great but zen3 is one year old already. Zen3D will arrive q1 2022. I think That will be much more in line as a competitor to intels 12th gen. Also, AM4 has supported many generations of ryzen cpus and will most likely support the upcoming Zen3D. Lets not forget AM4 beat intel to pcie4 ;-) I'm sure AM5 will support pcie5
my cl14 Samsung b-die @ 4000mhz easily sweeps any ddr5 kit on the market and I can still push it more. even if you wanted ddr5, it's not even available anywhere.
@@pistachiobandanos904 Zen3D will not beat alder lake. It is not a competitor it was planned generations in advance. It will tighten the gap, but it's not gonna be a game changer. Intel has won this round even though 11th gen was supposed to compete with Zen 3.
Intel 13th gen will get obliterated by Zen 4 though. It's only supposed to be a refresh, meanwhile AMD will have its Alder Lake moment with Zen 4. Intel's gonna be in trouble come Q2-Q3. 5nm Zen 4 vs 10nm 13th gen.
@@mycelia_ow Zen 4 will be too close to 14th Gen Meteor Lake release to have any kind of relevance.
It only took a beat down from AMD for Intel to finally get back in the game! More interested in their GPU line. I hope they bring some competition there!
AlderLake is good, but I am glad I returned my 12600k for a stonking deal on the 10700k for $150 at Microcenter. I built a CPU/Mobo combo for half the cost of my 12600k deal and my frames are near identical in gaming...
For the most part it will be like that for most fames unless you play alot of rts or other cpu damanding games. Otherwise the performance difference wont be much of a difference between close generation cpu
The 10700k has near identical single core perf as my 3950X, that being said, that is a steal for that processor!!
@@BBWahoo "single core performance" is a lie for _gaming_ . I can tell you right now, my 3600 was 20fps below my 10700k in all scenarios in Escape from Tarkov. And the 10700k is identical to 12th gen Intel. The way these cpus use boost and multi core in gaming along with the combination of GPU and Memory is very complex.
@@drewmorg.
I agree
12700k(KF) is the way to go this round with Intel IMO. The 12900k is just too much of a power hog and a space heater. The 12700k can is almost as fast; it is not even noticeable unless you look at benchmarks which does not reflect real work usage anyway. A few frame rates here and there is not noticeable when playing games anyway no matter what people claim based on FPS. You will never know you are on a 12700k or 12900k just by playing games alone. IMO the 12600 and 12700 makes far more sense then the 12900. Based on power consumption and heat, the 12900 is just not a good buy IMO. Some may disagree which is fine, I'm just looking at data. I picked up a 12700KF from Best Buy and I love it. Got a DDR4 MB for I could keep using my 64GB of DDR43600 and I am good for the next several years. I'm using my trusty Noctua NH-D15S running cool and quiet with a Fractal Design Torrent because I'm using air cooling.
I have a 12900k and it runs very cool with no issues. Not sure what you are talking about
I would not choose a KF version when I am going for an creator pc build. If it’s going about an gaming setup I would agree
@@mikerzisu9508so he made it up
Great video, thank you.
Liked/Subscribed.
Have a nice day.
*WHICH CPU to go with ??? 12900k or 12700k so I don't bottleneck the 6900xt* ???
DDR5 is the biggest paper launch of the year, have yet to see it in stock everywhere. Good thing they had plenty to send to these influencers cause of course they did.
Why would you want current Ddr5? It's just straight up bad lol.
You pay twice the price for same performance in majority of workloads compared to ddr4.
Ddr5 needs at least a year and half to become competitive.
@@damara2268 because it is superior to ddr4? Because you won't have to swap your motherboard to love to it later when the timings get better? Quit crying
great presentation buddy !
What voltages and where do you start overclocking 12700k, Where's the safe point to start with?
On Auto you will find The P cores run at 4.7GHz in an all-core workload at 1.25V. You can add 0.1V and bump up the P cores to 5.0GHz.
What part of the UK are you from? Hubby is from England :)
almost 3 years later I went with a i7 12700k and the ASRock z690 Taichi ( at 199.9 vs the launch price of 589.) and CORSAIR Vengeance RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) to test the intal ARc a770 in a balanced built I then moved my old 3090 T.i Fe card over to it and its been a fun machine I don't see me replacing it any time soon If I need to it ca nbe upgraded to 13th and 14th gen but why bother after al lthe hoopla that went on with those
No benchmarks in 4K? What year is this?
/What does the MSI z690 unify's BIOS have to do with this review? The bios will look different with different capabilities and settings on diffferent motherboard models and brands. Right?
Thanks for your video! You are very well spoken and articulate, of which I immensely appreciate. I also appreciate you integrity when recommending a particular product, in that you do so as a consumer and not necessarily a enthusiast.
I have a couple of questions, that I hope you have the time to answer for me, but if you dont, I completely understand.
My first being, why is such a big emphasis being put on power efficency in the chips? Its almost like AMD, everytime Intel beats them in performance, they say " well we have great power efficiency". thats great but intel still wins. they say "we have better IPC" Intel still wins though. why do they do this?
My second being, I am a contractor. In a month or month and a half I will have enough money to upgrade my system. This upgrade will involve a new, monitor (high refreshrate 1440p bigger than 27"), keyboard (rgb), VR headset kit(valve index), and PC, with everything in the PC being new except for the GPU(3080Ti), of which I will transfer over. The PC will have a custom waterloop to cool the CPU(i912900k), and GPU as well. the PC will also have all RGB fans, 2x 2TB 980 pro SSD's, and RGB, GPU plug in extensions, and run on Windows 11 pro. I have been trying to source parts for over a month, and find myself banging my head against the wall. Have tried Newegg Pc builder but there are nuances that that system doesnt understand.
I just need someone to just spell it out for me. A list for a case, all the way down the line to get everything, and I would get it. but it has to be thorough and account for everything, even potential screws. Can you advise on this? any full build suggestions? my budget is about 5-6000.00 USD
I can speak from experience, the NH-D15 can do 290-300 watts, and that's on 10th gen, with thicker solder and silicon
Noctua D15 and a handful of other air towers can handle impressively high levels of power. Box coolers that come with the CPU are a completely different story.
@@KitGuruTech yeah true, the box coolers being rated for that wattage was pretty funny
Just a thought, what if we saw a 12650K but it was missing the e-cores? Might not be possible given the 12600 would have "2" more cores so there isn't room, but maybe eventually we'll see higher P-core variants without E-cores, the 12400/F will be interesting too whenever it appears.
Why would you not want the E cores? It’s what’s made the iPhone 13’s battery last so much longer and given the phone a 120hz refresh rate. The E cores are no joke.
I laughed at the 450 price tag when it launched. But I just found the 12700K for 370 on newegg and had to go for it. At only $70 more than the current $300 for 12600K for an extra 2P core 4 thread plus more cache it's much easier to recommend at that price gap vs the $130 initial launch price gap.
I got a 12700K for $350 at Best Buy by price matching Microcenter. It is a beast.
I am going to need to upgrade my cooler. 240mm doesn't quite cut it with some OC under the hood.
Just bought a 12700k for 250 on Newegg.
I like how Intel has bounced back, but I have to see how it matures. Ryzen, specifically Zen 1, had some memory timing issues that gave me pause but those did eventually get worked out - it was at that point I jumped into the platform - it matured nicely and quickly. I'll have to see how well and how quick 12th gen matures before I could switch back to Intel even if it has the performance, the E-core - P-cores and scheduling problems (in Windows and Linux) are slightly more serious then Zen's initial memory timing problems. Well, at least I'm in a good place with my system that I'm not in need of an upgrade. :-)
The scheduling issues are way way less concerning than people originally predicted. I have a 12600kf since launch, I've yet to run into a single application or game that behaved incorrectly, no stutters in games no lag, no performance loss. Out of the hundreds of games Intel there is only like 12 games on W11 that have issues, and those can be fixed by pressing scroll-lock to sleep the E-cores while playing those games until they are patched. And since this is a software issue, unlike Zen1's memory, it will be constantly improved. I would have zero concerns recommending 12th gen to anyone based on the scheduler.
@@__aceofspades Depends - it's a rather big concern on Linux esp if one enables XMP - Wendel did a video on it a few days ago. Yes I'm a Linux user... :-)
@@__aceofspades I also have a big game collection - rather worried about the older titles I still play that are very likely to never get updated to recognize the CPU cores properly.
@@nukedathlonman If your gaming collection is on Linux, you have much bigger problems than discussing anything Windows, lol.
@@atlantic_love i have my games on both platforms (so I game in both). Otherwise I'm squarely in the Linux camp for all other computer use cases, and it works out far better for me. :-)
Bro will the NH-U12A chromax which i already purchased. But have option to return and buy nh-d15 chromax.
Is it good for 12700k ?
My work is 3d modeling and rendering.
Thank u
Is an NZXT Krakrn X62 280mm AiO enough to cool an i7-12700K?
Will the 240/280mm aio cooler be enough for no thermal throttling for 12700kf? I am planning to use it for gaming streaming @3440x1440p with lancool 215x and rtx 3070
Yeah, its more than enough especially for gaming. Just pick a good one, plenty of reviews on UA-cam. Going up to a 360 allows the fans to spin slower since there is a bigger area for heat dissipation so it runs quieter, thermal difference is minimal
@@ij6708 I've gone with 280mm.. nzxt x63...still not delivered due to lga1700 kit unavailability. Hope it will keep the 12700kf under control under heavy loads 🤞
Excellent review!
Looking at those charts, I'm highly intrigued by the results showing the stock 12600K beating the stock 12700K, and by some margin, at least in a few cases. I don't know how that would happen given their respective features, power levels, and clocks. Personally, I think those results warrant a closer look and exploration of exactly what is causing them.
Probably a tighter thread distribution being more efficient on the lower core 12600K. Disable 2 P-cores on the 12700K and let's see if there's a change.
I can imagine that being caused by insufficient software for they hybrid architecture. I bet when Windows as well as gaming software becomes better at using the hybrid cores, we could see the performance differences increase.
Straight to it. Thank you. Good stuff
I have excellent temps on my 12700k and wc Asus ll360 with kingpin cooling, idle 18 20°c and gaming max 50°c., stress tess 62°c. Everything is stock.
Leo should have more videos here kin kitguru
The fact that the 11700k managed to perform neck to neck in gaming its pretty remarkable. Its shows that the P cores are pretty much the same just on a smaller node.
Great work. Just a fast question. I have the LG 27GP850 144HZ monitor pluged in an nvidia 1660 super. I cant turn on the G-SYNC. Is it cause i m still on windows 7 64bit? If not, what s the way to do it?
I would wager yes. Absolutely yes.
thanks for the video, I'm going for i9
Well said, well done. You can really the difference between AMD and Intel in financial scale as AMD's Zen 3 architecture will see 4 generations of Intel processor 10,11,12 & 13. Albeit AMD will be using process to add 3D v-cache versus bringing out a new architecture. Alder Lake isn't quite a slam dunk and since AMD can still leverage their AM4 platform advantage, I can imagine why there may be a reluctance on AMD's part to dropping prices vociferously. Unless someone isn't vendor agnostic then it would be reasonable to wait for AMD's 3D v-cache response and make a build decision.
Right. There are still times where chips will be sold out on AMD's website. As long as the demand's there, why drop prices?
As you said, Zen 3 has been around for 3 generations of Intel, and Intel has just now offered a great competitor. Just in time for Zen3D to step in.
A bigger cache cant compute anything, so the processing power should be the same as before, but with software that takes advantage or benefits of data in cache will be faster.
Friend would an 850w seasonic work with 3060 ti and 12700k z690 fractal torrent and cooler?
Yes, should have some wattage to spare
Yes
I have 12700k with RX 6600 XT and it works fine with 600-watt power supply.
@@DerekDavis213 you have to be pushing it. Definitely if you're overclocking
@@devinmcdrip When I'm running all cores on 12700k at 100% (Cinebench R23), it only uses about 250 watts of power.
When I'm running Unigine Valley at maximum settings, it only uses about 280 watts of power.
Big power supplies are over-rated, and not really necessary.
Hello everyone, how have you been?
At this moment is it feasible to buy a processor? I would like to upgrade my processor and board, I have an i7 7700 and was thinking about the i7 12700k, but I don't know if it's worth waiting for something better to come out this year or waiting for the prices to drop, I don't know. Can anyone advise me?
I was thinking of just changing those two things, processor and board and keep what I have (ram ddr4 2400, gtx 1060)
Thanks, greetings
Would a 240mm liquid cooler suffice for an non-overclocked i7-12700K (on a DDR4 mobo) ?
e.g. Corsair H100i ELITE CAPELLIX
Yes
Yes. I have a stock 12700K and DDR4 with that very cooler and it stays mid to high 70s temp wise in R23. Definitely sufficient for stock speeds.
Hands up if Leo needs RGB on his test bench 🤣✋✋✋ Great content as always.
Glad you enjoyed it (and really should check how muhc CPU is required for iCUE)
Just got my 12700k paired with Asus rog z690 maximus hero and DDR 5 T-force delta 32gb kit 6400 xmp 3.0. Super happy ))
I was going to go with an i-9 12900 paired with an msi z690 and ddr4... honestly now after seeing this don't know what I should do...
@@ilreideimostri the i9 is the best cpu on the planet. Use it
was looking at the 5800 X but now see this one for £700 in a bundle deal is this good looks better and is cheaper to.
I'm a video editor, I bought this cpu 12700K, thinking I won't need a GPU because of the iGPU.
I have a 1060 GPU, is it even worth putting it in my system? or just run off the iGPU?
1060 is more powerful than the integrated graphics even in 12th gen
Dumb question but can I use DDR4 3200 ram with this and will my Msi b450 tomahawk mobo support this cpu?
You need a motherboard with an LGA1700 socket and (at the moment) a Z690 chipset. Some of those boards support DDR4 while most support DDR5.
Selected the 12700K but a board with DDR4 support. DDR5 is useless most of the time and soo expensive.
Same. $350 for 32gb ddr5 Corsair rgb ram vs getting 64gb of ddr4 at 3000mhz from my dad for free. I’ll go with the free option lol.
Best ram there is on the planet is hardly useless. I am running it and it is stupid fast
Micro center here in SoCal is selling that bad boy for $349
How would this cpu pair with a 2070 ? Montitor is a 1080p 144hz 1ms
I have just bought a 12700KF and I have a 2070 Super. I play BF2042 at 130 fps (all low) @1080p. 32 GB DDR4 3200 Mhz.
@@SiraSWAT thanks for the feedback !
The monitor doesn't factor in that equation. Perhaps you meant "how does this monitor fair with the 2070?". Or maybe you were wondering if the cpu plays well with the 2070?
I just don't like the idea that a 360 AIO was needed to make it look cooler , put a factory cooler on it like a 5600x runs and lets see that boost with some DDR 4 memory ..
Given that Intel ships CPUs without a cooler, isn't that similar to saying let's test Core i7 and Core i9 against Ryzen 9 with a basic cooler and watch them all struggle?
I work at home on RYZEN 7 3700x on x570 AsRock Steel Legend, while in the company I have i7 10700k on Asus Prime Z490 / 32 GB DDR4 3000 mhz. Ovecklocking on AMD is a horror 3.6 at 4.1 max and it doesn't work stably, while Intel boosts to 5.0 and everything slips. All applications. Photoshop, In Design, Illustrator, Corel, everything works better on Intel than on AMD ... I'm not playing
Thank you
Léo est éloquent et il le serait davantage avec des vêtements de mode. Du sur mesure avec sa diction coupé au rasoir ca percuterait puissance 10.
Yes you always need RGB.
That 5800x runs hot to the 126k I got mine at 220
Hello my love can u do a case Review and build:
G.SKILL Z5i Mini-ITX Curved Tempered Glass Case - Black Tnx!
Didn't that case suffer badly in its review by Canucks?
In the middle of the chart. Talking about 1-2-3 fps difference LOL.
Finally, someone who understands intel chips. Too many mainstream youtubers haven't got a clue. Sponsored, scripted bs. Appreciate the content kitguru.
it's leo
Well done video. I have subscribed. I was debating with myself over i9 12 and i7 12 but hey do you lose so much as to not consider i5 12 and spend the money maybe on gpu.
The max my 12400 can handle is 3080. Anything stronger than that gpu and drops and stuttering happens, I know, because I have a 4070ti and the CPU works way smoother with the 3080,4070ti is a less vram/cooler/better dlss version of 3090,which is why I bought this monster cpu 12700 couple days ago for 200 used
I bought 12400 2 years ago
Does itbottlenecka 4070ti? Im on a 12700 non k and 4070 super now and works flawlessly
@@smokegames1179 I was having drops in kill zone rpcs3 10k resolution with my 12400, and my fps would drop to 40s and back to 60. With my 12700, I hardly get any drops using the same resolution. Timespliters dolphin 8k I got drops using 12400. I no longer get those using the 12700. LFD2 would give me drops to the 60s from 120fps using multiple graphic mods using a 3080 RTX/12400. I no longer get those big drops with the 12700. This card is a monster. I didn't expect it to stabilize my FPs so much, but I was hoping it did.
Power efficiency .. You're clearly not looking at actual workload, but instead you're focused solely on peak draw at peak workload. Measure the total power consumption of the AMD 5950X vs Intel's i9-12900K during a work day. The AMD is extremely inefficient at lower workloads and idle. You're absolutely going to find AMD is drawing more power and unless you're a fool, you know it.
My i9 is sitting in its box. Awaiting high-end DDR5 meanwhile, my i7 with its fast low latency DDR4 is purring right along. You can keep AMD along with its buggier than hell drivers.
Leo here: Taking your last point first I seem to have two choices, either I am a fool or I am dishonest and neither of those appeals. Your point about total power draw (ie. the area under the curve) might be valid however Ryzen 9 5950X performs better and uses less power than Core i9-12900K and is a win-win. If you use your PC for light workloads for the majority of the day you may well find an Intel PC uses less total power than an AMD syetem however you need to define 'daily workload' and then replicate it time after time. In essence that is PC Mark 8, which we use to test batteries on laptops.
Flipping the point around, if you are mightily concerned about cumulative power draw, why on earth would you consider either Ryzen 9 or Core i9?
I hate to project but it feels like you might be experiencing a touch of buyer's remorse. Having said that you will find the new Core i9 to be impressive but you will absolutely want to strap on an effective cooler.
@@KitGuruTech Boom!
@@oddballhippie7363 no... not boom. He was right. The i9 is superior and the AMD garbage has terrible drivers
I'll buy the 12900K and run it stock. I've never really understood the need for overclocking chips at these levels. How much performance do you really need. Running at stock, these chips will give you plenty of performance.
The people doing the overclocking aren't doing it for performance needs, lol. They're like the Linux crowd. An operating system is an operating system. They like Linux because of the tinkering capabilities. They're not busy out on dates, lol. Same with the overclocking. It's for people who like to tinker and give their systems coronaries for bragging rights.
Weird how 12600k out performed 12700k in some tests. 😲
I bought i7 12700K and i set voltage to 1.22V @Bios, because this is HOT CPU... i9 12900K costs 200€ more, its waste of money, better get some SSD for newest games 😇
The i9 smoked the i7... get educated
@@mikerzisu9508 Nop 😊
@@KOT-ANGRY you are wrong
@@mikerzisu9508 Your 4 energy cores are not worth 200€, look normal benchmarks - no difference in games at 4K (5fps lol)
@@KOT-ANGRY not sure what you are looking at but everything I have seen shows it crushing the i7. Inferior chip in comparison
Hmmmm. How strange. My Time Spy score is 19 826 with my 10900KF at stock vs your 12900k OC score of 19 180 Are those combined scores or CPU Scores?
Why do gamers prefer k instead of kf? Why do we need that useless igpu for more cost? I don't get it
@@chalky007 ah ok , got it now...So in order to use that igpu we need to have motherboard with hdmi/DP output right? Does all the motherboards nowadays come with those ports?
@@JosephKarthic Hi yes most modern motherboards do but some of the cheaper ones may only have a HDMI port
the K chips have better resale potential than the KF varieties. If you sell on eBay, many people want that onboard gpu.
Jump to 4 minutes to bypass the geek-salad
Does anyone game at 1080p? Need 4k/1440p charts (to see if a upgrade is actually worth it.....)
Statistically most people game at 1080p on PC per the Steam survey.
@@DV-cm3tb But that's because more people, from poorer counties, have lesser systems. These people generally don't have this year's chips or GPU's as well. My point being, 1080p benchmarks are useless.
This is a CPU review. To evaluate CPU performance, you need to minimize other performance limiters like running games at resolutions that fully load the GPU used for testing.
1080p benchmarks are for picking a winner in the minds of the audience and to create buzz/hype. After all UA-cam is a marketing platform. Once you get GPU limited at 1440/4k then where's the need to buy the latest product.
@@maxwellsmart3156 I don't know why you are looking for GPU-limited results in a CPU review. They have no place here.
In fact, I personally think testing 1080p is putting too much load on the GPU for the purposes of this review already.
What kind of tower cooler does 288 watts? A Noctua NH-D15
Exactly why I got it lol
Why not put the i9 9900k on these tests as well? Mine at stock settings puts up 1300 Cinebench R23 single core points. That beats the last two entries on that graph. Multi core score was 12,544 which beats the last 3 entries in your graph. This is on my gaming machine with tons of background apps and a browser open, so I am sure it would increase a little if it was just a test bench setup.
All this latest generation of CPUs from Intel proves to me is that they purposefully ripped off their customers for years with minor 5% increases in performance generation by generation. So now we all want to praise them for suddenly actually doing something after AMD innovated and took the crown? I certainly don't, which is why I never upgraded to 10th Gen and won't buy Alder Lake either.
Finally, I am not sure what you guys are testing in gaming and using an RTX 3080? Notice all your frame rates are basically within 5 to 10 frames of each other? It is useless. Test it with an older GPU like a GTX 1060 or something, which most of the world is still using (according to Steam user stats). But even then, I would guess the gaps wouldn't be too much different.
There is no reason not to include Core i9-9900K, apart from the time it takes for testing. In fact you can make a case for going back to 8th Gen. The thing is, if you are keenly interested in CPU grunt you would have ditched 9th Gen a while back, so we wouldn't be influencing your buying decision.
I mean, you could test these things to eternity, but at some point one has to define some constraints and go with it.
12600k is just the best cpu ever made in a long time!
Cool ..
Good performance...
Good price..
Plays games good at productivity 👌
Shame that Intel basically gave the middle finger to its entry level segment buyers. Nothing interesting at all on that front.
At CES we will see the rest of the 12th Gen line-up plus mainstream chipsets
I would rather have an i5-13600K, there's really not much difference but I'd still prefer the newer Intel chip for my next build. That's the chip I will be using.
Bro this came out 2years ago no duh
You rather have a card that has permanent crashes? Yea that makes sense
@895takashi that's a troll
F I R S T.
Lol…….just look at AMD’S POWER CONSUMPTION. Just a better architecture.
Omg wow
Buy the 12900k....don't fall for the value nonsense. Buy the best for highest resell value and highest gaming frame rates.
Makes little difference at anything at or over 1440p, Better off with 12700k easier to cool, Not a power hog and won't make your room a furnace.
@@ShaneMcGrath.That's a troll
My Ryzen 5950x runs at 28c idle. ☺
And hardware unboxed demonstrated that E-Cores are useless...
HUB is a pro-AMD/ biased towards AMD channel, they'll say anything against Intel.
G Skill are overrated
first
goodness, people still care about this "first" comment BS 😂
now intel just needs to double the p cores and everything's fixed
Ecores are pointless. Why would you buy a 16 core processor when half the cores are low powered efficiency core when you could buy an actual 16 core processor for around the same price and it has 16 full power cores. These are desktop processors, not mobile, efficiency doesn't matter.
i7 12700k has 8 high power cores with multithreading. Just like the 5800x, but also has E-cores that are as fast as previous generations cores. My 12600K consumes less then 4 watts mostly when watching youtube and doing desktop-stuff. I like it. Cant even hear the fan spinning on the cooler, and my highest cpu-temp right now is 24 degrees.
Alder Lake makes sense because currently 12700KF is the same price as Ryzen 5800x.
But 12700 smokes Ryzen in performance: 40% faster when running Cinebench R23 multi-core, for example.
And B660 and H670 motherboards are available and much cheaper than z690.
As a former Ryzen fan, I hate to admit it: Alder Lake is now the way to go, for sure.
Ryzen 5800x King All day -40% wat for les than -10% Performance on 1080p. price 5800x 300$ vs 450$ 12700k
Sure. But they suck for gaming: ua-cam.com/video/pWxMyundiZY/v-deo.html
In this context 'they' referes to the Efficient cores. Core i7 has more Performance cores than Efficient cores. You checked our gaming results, right?
Sorry but you can't compare, do the same thing (high performance task) and use twice the energy and things done a little faster. Not worth the costs of new socket mb, all AMD have to do imo is keep with efficiency of 5000's series and same performance or more or slightly more power draw and more performance and the they've won again.
Yes we are well aware of the differences but the alternative would be to ignore AMD Zen 3 which would be ridiculous
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Until Intel releases 65w or 95w. Alder Lake is a big no from me.