Intel i7 12700 vs 12700k - Is the 'K' version worth it over the 'non-K' ?
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- Intel i7 12700k vs 12700 - almost Identical CPUs, but worth the price difference? How much difference is there?
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This is because of the binning of silicon. In fact the biggest drawback of 12th gen is that it uses traditional quad patterning technology rather than the highly accurate EUV technology. Because of that the CPUs cannot perform at its best possible frequency. The power consumption actually increases dramatically with clock.
Golden Cove core in alder lake is actually a brilliant design and the thing that holds it back is the node. Moving to intel 4 EUV process in 2023, you will see the actual performance of those cores when meteor lake launches. The clock speeds won't be held back like what you see in 12th gen.
Price in India ... In my city here its ₹29000 for Intel® Core™ i7-12700KF Processor version and ₹32000 for Intel® Core™ i7-12700K Processor version. Im a video editor. Primarily i use premiere pro for stuff. So im going for K version
Hi, I will buy 12700k. What is the max frequency of the 12700k in stock? Not sure if I want to overclock
At this moment the i7-12700 / 15 % US$349.99
and the i7-12700K -12 % US$304.99
what I do ?
I want to upgrade my pc, from the i5-9400f, RTX 2060 and RAM 96gb
I use my pc for editing weddings, and other events... Premiere Pro, Lightroom, Audition are the programs that I use the most
Thank you - professional presentation and great content. Will watch more of your vids Cheers from Australia!
Early may 2022, PL, 1759PLN for non-K. For the K versions it was about 300PLN higher.
On 6th may rates was like: 2022, 100 PLN = 22.368 USD
So in USD it was: 12700 for 393USD and 12700K for 460USD. No hesitation with choosing 12700 :)
Great info, thank you.
Here in UK the 12700 is £329 vs the 12700K which is £385 that's from SCAN. Other retailers will probably be different.
Thank you for this video ☺️
Another great content, watching.
Sample variation is huge with the 12 series. I just built 3 computer using the 12900KF, identical computers. They have the same bios settings applied for power delivery limits(basically unlimited power draw and time), slight undervolt and max boost. The worst hits 100 C and only boosts to 5ghz P-cores while drawing 280W total package power, while the best only hits 90 C while maintaining 5.1ghz p-cores and draws 235W max. The middle one is…….well somewhere in the middle. I even switched motherboards, and got the same results. That’s a huge difference between two chips, Cinebench R23 results in over 1000 points difference.
Wow, very interesting!
Really awesome information, thank you for sharing this experience with us! I think there is a big difference not only because of "silicone lottery", in 12th gen they use solder between CPU crystal and CPU Lid, and maybe sometimes solder was putted with a bigger layer or something. I think if someone will be able to delide 3 CPUs and install a water block directly on the CPU crystal - we will understand the real silicone difference between the same model of CPU, but it's too risky)
@@vic2net I’m sure that’s correct. I also stopped using contact frames after getting almost no difference when I tested the same VOU with it and without.
Good producitivty benchmark comparison. That small difference is worth the pricing difference all the way up from 12700F/12700/12700KF/12700K can be quite steep if you keep adding $10-25 each step and then you need to buy better cooling/RAM for OCing to increase beyond 10-15% range. I just went with the cheapest 12700F (no video encoding on this machine) with a motherboard that can bypass PL2 limits for now as I expect massive improvements from next year's CPU releases and a less early adopter taxed DDR5 market.
Here in Iran, 12700 is 13,200 tomans, Which is around 425 USD, Then 12700K is 15,100 tomans, Which is around 488 USD, So the difference here is around 63 dollars.
In India 12700K is 28500Rs which equals to 348USD, damm it's pricy in Iran
@prudhvisai1436 Here in Russia, 12700f OEM cost 14000RUR (160USD) on Black Friday Sale. So i think it's very expensive in Iran and India ;)
@@Idi_Nahui_UA-cam yeah now it's reduced to 310USD, I will get i5 12400F for 160USD.
An i7 12700F and RTX 4070 12Gb with 32GB DRR5 full gaming pc (including mouse,keyboard,monitor) setup costs around 2110USD lol 😂
@@Idi_Nahui_UA-camit costs 31000 on yandex market where did you find for 14000😂
Looking to get the non K version because thw Z690 Asus board is $200 more than the B660. Would power limits of the board effect these results? I’d rather have stability & also put the $200 saved towards DDR5 RAM. Mostly gaming build but the occasional workload too.
Very intersting and important advice. Here in Argentina there's a price difference over 100usd between the 12700 vs. 12700K. AND you can't get coolers for the 1700 socket. So we are pretty much stuck with 12700... if you can find one!
One major drawback with non-k is locked SA voltage meaning ram oc in gear 1 on DDR4 is 3400-3600 vs 4000-4300 on K, on DDR5 mid 6000 in gear 2 is max, while K can do 7000+.
yeah but no one needs over 3600 mhz at this point to be honest
@@DoodleDoo can give a bit of boost on high fps gaming, gping from 3600 to 4200 G1, both tuned can net you over 5%. More of an isdue for thise struggling to run 3000 xmp at G1, one guy I talked to got below 0.9v SA voltage stock on his 12400F, 2933 was the best he could run stable. Going from 2933 to 4000+ can make a huge impact!
@@Taraquin83 either the board or cpu was the problem
@@DoodleDoo both worked fine, but combo seemed the isdue as a 12600K on same board ran xmp fine due to unlocked SA voltage, xmp worked with G2, bit that is slow. Cpu got slightly higher SA voltage on a different board and worked fine at xmp then.
@@Taraquin83 what was the board that didn't work and the newer board where it did work?
Thanks for the video - I was really interested in seeing the performance of the K vs the non-K variant. The results of that second Blender benchmark were very confusing.
Indeed!
thx for review!
In the past, there were some good benefits to overclocking for creatives. For example, the 8700K was an amazing overclocker after you popped off the IHS and added liquid metal to the die. Things have sort of leveled out since those days because intel now solders the IHS on. There's pretty much no benefit doing a subtle overclock and an aggressive overclock will more than likely leave you with an unstable machine. Not good when you're trying to be productive.
Are you saying there are no benefits to overclocking modern CPU's?
@@turtlepeak6130This is purely my opinion so I'm not saying for a fact there's no benefits but I've personally found the pay off in modern CPU's to not deliver the performance increase to make it all worthwhile. If you take the 12900K for example, an experienced overclocker can get around a 10% performance increase and still be fairly stable. That may seem like a decent margin on paper but like I said, that's from an experienced overclocker who's interested in what they do to the CPU as an enthusiasts. In reality, creatives will want to shoot below that to maintain decent temps.. so you're going to get maybe a 5-6% increase pus a certain rise in heat output? Also, at this point you've now have created a new job for yourself that'll waist time. You now have to constantly monitor temperatures and hope that your system is stable enough for long overnight renders if need be. And all that for what? So that you save a couple of seconds per frame on your renders while your system acts like an unwanted space heater? No thanks.
@@timotmon You are right. Modern processors that have suitable cooling will boost to acceptable speeds on their own. Sure you can push them further, but like you said at some point it becomes more work than its worth for a 5% increase in FPS, especially if you are getting FPS beyond your monitors refresh rate. If you did want to OC, and don't want to set world records, just get a k model and use the Intel tuning utility. It will find and apply a stable OC. Really this is all you need, if you even need that. Same with a modern GPU. They boost just fine and you wont get huge increases in FPS by pushing them harder. Id much rather have high frame rates on a stable system compared to slightly higher frame rates on a marginally/non stable system.
12700K vs 12700 cores speed are 4.7 vs 4.5 for p-cores and 36 vs 34 for e-cores, so 12700K should be about 5% faster in multicore performance. 12700 power limit is set by some cheap motherboards to 65Watt, but this will kill the performance and there is no point to buy 160Watts I7 to run it at 65Watts. On quality boards cpus are running without power limits, so with max speeds. My 12700 is working at 160 Watts so same as 12700K presented in this video.
The main problem with 12700 I have is not working undervolting. I tried on 2 boards and after setting minus offset performance is droping like crazy. On same boards 12600K, 12400 and 12100 are underwolting just fine and keeping same performance with 20% less power draw.
What motherboard did you go for?
I have the same experience with the 12700 regarding undervolting: it’s completely useless. Even setting LLC to a lower level, performance tanks. Very curious behavior compared to most other chips.
@@kasimirdenhertog3516 Can you give me a B660 mobo that will allow for bclk adjustments on a 12700 please :)?
My 12700F is not undervolting well on Strix B660-G and hits PL2 quite early at 4.9 all cores.
@@TheGlobuleReturns Strix B660-G I’m using it works but only 10% gain on multi core performance. Price difference of Mobo + DDR5 is quite a lot more though. Is it worth it? I’m not sure.
Interesting review ! In Hungary right now the lowest price I could find for the 12700 is 376 USD. For the K variant it's 470 USD.
Good knowledgeable video.
I just got mine from amazon and was kinda spooked cause my 12700k looked slightly different than all the others I've seen. Yours is the first video I came upon that shows the CPU I have with the bar code on the bottom and the little square on the top left corner instead of the circle. Why the heck are some of these different?
thank you for the help.
US I am seeing about a $25 difference. I would go with the K to future proof my system. But now that I think of it I may even go down to a 12600k and buy a used 12900k in a few years when prices drop (assuming they drop).
Good review! I was just choosing between 12700 and 12700K, in the end I bought myself - 12900k, water cooling is a must!
Hey i just watched your 1year old video about gpu for content creation nvidia vs amd...now i want to know that in content creation and 3d which one will be better amd or intel? And my budget is around i7 12th gen price
Many thanks for the review!
My Intel i7-12700 cannot drain more than 166W on MSI Mortar B660M (with no power limits) which is strange. In the past, I decided to go with non-K version because of power efficiency and your results surprised me a lot. In terms of pricing, K version costs 10-15 EUR more.
However, it would be great if you can compare 13900 & 13900k the same way.
Back in the Sandy Bridge era, both the non-K and K variants had the exact same specifications. They both came with stock coolers as well
lol im going from sandy bridge to this rn
off topic question, just curious about those icons on intel chipsets, others have that oval swirl, and some have those two, big and small boxes? is there any meaning regarding those? K or non-K, maybe?
I've been looking everywhere for such a video. Please do also 12600 vs 12600k.
12600K is much faster in production loads. It has higher all core and singel core turbo plus 4 additional e-cores. 12600K is 35-40% faster than 12400 in Cinebench R23 or Blender and 12600 is not much faster than 12400.
@@wattafps894 thank you for the reply. I have a friend who's looking to build a gaming PC, but is not sure if to pick a z690/12600k or a b660/12600. He doesn't care about production etc. Budget is a key factor, which one could be the best?
@@gabrieleguarise4129 12400/F +B660. 12600 is pointless - it is more expensive and maybe 5% faster
I have a question for the 1200 K were you using the overclock speeds or no
Interesting video. I thought the benefits of the "K" version are just that they can overclock. I'm looking at building a new PC and was considering just going with a 12900 at $899 vs 12900K at $1029 to save $130 but am not sure now. This PC would be for After Effects work. Those are New Zealand prices from a local small shop. The 12700 goes for $599 whereas the 12700k goes for $699 - so way more than $20 here.
Are sheep in pink skirts still cheap there?
New Zealand ,,, do you get a BONUS sheep with pink lipstick? :)
Please reply, I bought a 12700 non K and on the cpu there are 2 squares instead of a circle like the 12700k in this video, why I have those squares instead of the circle?
Hi. Some bios settings for my new 12700? I took it after your wonderfull this video.
Is there a big difference between the temps of an i7-12700 and an i7-12700K (That runs stock with no OC)?
Recently paid around £354 for the 12700k on Amazon and when the package came, the cpu was missing! Had to get a refund and I ordered from curry’s for £390 and I’ll be picking it up in store just to make sure everything is okay
🙂 4:16 that kinda makes sense, the better silicon requires less power and they make it a K version
This video is what i needed because i am building a pc with i7-12700. thanks
Me too... Actually I would like to buy i5-12600k but due heavy demand for i5-12600k in dell workstations these processors are sold out so I don't have another option other than buying i7-12700 (I eagerly waited for 12th gen now I can't wait for top of the line 'K' processors)
So which cpu is better now for gaming 11700K z590 aorus pro ax or 12700 with z690 gaming x ddr4? Price is so close between them, about 70€ difference. And motherboards have similar price as well.
Good review. Prices where I live in Germany are all over the place... i7-12700k EUR 444 , i7-12700 EUR 366 . I'm looking to do a new build from an old i5 7600k the 12700 non-K is better in price for sure. Maybe I will check the i5-12600k performance to the other two, it's currently at EUR 304. I use my PC mainly for internet, gaming (non-AAA) and some video editing.
Are you saying that 12700 draws more power based on HWInfo and while rendering graphics ??? Do you have an actual reading from a multimeter ?
I am confused because the base clock speed of P cores and E cores in non - k version is low. It makes me worried whether I would be able to run the processor on its full potential or not. On the other hand K version has higher temperatures which is not worth considering cpu longevity. Any help or suggestions are appreciated
high temps only really matter if you cant cool those temps. if you can disperse of it, its fine, especially if you are not running the CPU at full load the entire time. if price does not matter and only performance, then go and grab the k version, because if you can afford that you should be able to grab a good cooler
Thank you very much for this video. I'm gonna choose 12700k version as I work in premiere pro and I need to work in 4k resolution. But the difference of the price in my country is 45 dollars between two processors. I'm waiting 14th gen to appear for the price to be a little bit lower because everything is really expensive.
can you recommend a B660m mobo? I'm planning to get the non K 12700
If I wanted to buy i7-12700 non k version for virtualization is there any performance issues?
Can i run a 12700kf to a b660 strix motherboard because i don't intend to overclock but want the extra base speed and power efficiency?
Fro those in doubt still . I actually have both in essentially the same overall configuration , bar different cases . With the exact same z690 motherboard the performance difference outside benchmarks is in honesty negligible. In games for example the K may have 1 to 2 fps advantage but it is not even guaranteed ( maybe I was lucky with my 12700) . Outside "pride" in having the faster chip or for those that like to play around with OC settings, generally speaking the close to 70 euros difference between them is not worth it. the k was acquired for 410 euros 29th march while the non K went for 342 during a easter promotion on the 12th april . At the time i write this they the pricing (Amazon de) is 415 for the K and 360 for the 12700 and the 12700F is being sold 335 (giving it the best euro- performance ratio), if conflicted, get one of the non k's and apply the saving in better RAM or cooling.
How about i5-12600K? Save there by getting i5-12600K and get a slightly better GPU.
@@shreyasdharashivkar8027 i think the difference between the i5-12600k and the i7 12700 is around 40 dollars i think. I honestly do not think you will get any signficative gpu increase based on 40 dollars difference. If you point is get the i5-12600k and use the money to get something better... i guess that kind of works.. but before that you need to decide if you are an i7 type of person or an i5 type of person. For i7 type of person, I still think that my advise is valid, get the 12700 or 12700 F , use the spare in more or better ram or better cooling, both will provide better outcomes than the 12700k. Iwould love to live in a world where 50 or even 75 dollars would make a difference in terms of gpu, but that is not the case anymore.
When you compare the 12700's performance to 12700k, are you talking about the OCed 12700k? I'm looking to create my first rig with 12th gen i7 but I'm confused about which one to take. The price difference in my country for a 12700+MSI B660 TOMAHAWK combo and 12700K+MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK combo is like $150, with the former costing around $630 and the latter around $780... What would you advice?
@@abrarw99 essentially unless you have a real defined goal (lets say you specifically want to overclock , or you have specific video rendering needs) where the extra horsepower of the 12700k will be used on a regular basis , you will want the normal 12700 or the 12700F (this one does not have an integrated gpu so it is some 20 or 30 dollars cheaper). The 12700k in theory gives you more performance, but the thing you have to think about is .. will you notice that performance? For a VERY large majority of users the answer is no. I have both of them , built around the same time, one for me one for my partner, with the only difference being the case, rest is essentially the same exact memory, ssds, psu etc. I can switch from one to the other without noticing any difference unless i am irunning benchmarks. to give a clear example When running red dead redemption 2 the difference between the 12700 and the 12700k , both using the same exact same gpu model ( for reference a EGVA 3070 ) and the same SSDs (980 pro) is of 1 to 3 frames. Now ask yourself is 1 to 2 frames is worth 100 dollars- only you can decide that. If i decide to run benchmarks, then the 12700k may provide about 5 to 7 % better outcomes but on day to day use the reality is 98% of the users are not running benchmarks or constantly using the computer in a way where the extra bit of performance from the K has any real impact. As mentioned, unless you have a real defined task where the extra horspower of the K plays a role, you will get more bang for your bucks if you apply the difference on a faster ssd or more ram than by going from the "normal 12700" to the 12700 k . The non k's also consume less power (About 30 to 35 % less*) and by extension produce less heat, what also means you can "save some $" on the cpu cooler . ps edited energy consumption*
@@Solrac-Siul great advice, leaning towards the non-K version now. Thanks!
for 2024 which is the most budget motherboard you'd recommend to fully utilize the i7 12700?
which one to choose if you getting i7 12700 with 6gb gpu and 12700k with 4 gb gpu ?
I love those kinds of videos, keep 'em coming.
Also, I bought the ASUS ROG STRIX B660-A with the intention of pairing it up with the 12700, I really do not know how in the UK the price difference between it and the 12700K is so low. Here in Bulgaria the 12700 box is 800BGN (342£), while the 12700K is ... 980BGN (419£), so the price difference as you can tell is HUGE. Prices are off the GPlay vendor, 2022-04-05.
Can you tell me how are you able to give Euro Currency Symbol in comment section?
I am using TenKeyless Keyboard.
@@shreyasdharashivkar8027 Cyrillic, Shift + 6 (or just copy paste it)
Looking forward to you doing a video on the K vs KS. Thank you so much for all this great information! :)
Done, have a look at my 12900KS review :)
@@theTechNotice I *thought* I had specifically looked for it before. Now I'm just ashamed of my searching skills. :(
the 20 watt plus on the 13700 maybe because of the APU on board that chip? the k version has no APU ?
Im glad i bought mine a few week ago the prices are going up
Interesting results. Thanks for posting! Recently my i9-10850k system died. I replaced it with a z790 board with an i7-12700k. I was pleasantly surprised that the K version was cheaper than the non-k version as it was only $252.73 from Amazon. I am very pleased with the new system!
Just bought an i7 12700 from it's previous owner @ 175$. It's a beast. For me K is not worth the hassle. Just plug n play.
@@kapilr.4768 If you don't overclock the K version is no different than the non K, other than cost. You don't have to do anything, only if you want to overclock do you need to mess with the BIOS, other than enabling XMP, if you want. Intel even makes a tuner application that will automatically apply a stable OC. But the 12700 is a great CPU, if you don't plan on overclocking there is no reason to purchase a K model. Silicone lottery, overclocking, none of that is going to make a tremendous difference in FPS anyway, and with higher clock speeds come higher heat, which needs increased cooling solution. I went with a 12600k, used the Intel Auto OC, but I am thinking I should have spent the extra money and gone with either a 12700k or 13700k, just to add a bit more future proofing. But as it is I am very happy with the performance of the 12600k/RTX 4070 combo. Its a huge step up from my Frankensteined i3 9100f/GTX 1080 setup.
So the tdp is completely off from the specs to start off with?
Nice review and not expected result .Same story as with AMD 3600 processors family,3600x has only 1-2 percent benefit with 50 euro overprice.:).But for Intel its a bit strange while their overclocked versions was more effective as in this test.
I think the comparison is lackluster, as the 12700k actually has some advantiges. Like, better tuning, OC and higher RAM speed
Hi can I know the Intel logo difference with 2 processor metal cap
Nice video! I took an i7 12700 with a B660 motherboard, since the k version with a Z690 board was 100€ more expensive in total.... That's 100€ I could spend on a GPU lol
Im about to get a kit like that
Hello, i have a i7-12700 and 3070 can you help me make a better performers ?
I could get the 12700k as the same price as the 12700 should use that opportunity or should I go with the 12700?
Спасибо! Объяснил все как надо. Я выбрал i7 12700k. Думаю в больших рендерах на vray или corona он даст большой прирост в скорости.
Can you use XMP Profiles for 3600 RAM with the non K Versions of the 12th Gen CPUs?
Yes
Just got my brand new 12700 for 265$, still sealed and has personal 3 month warranty from Facebook market. Now im checking what could be a good mobo for this.
One major advantage of the k-version over the non-k obviously is: You can fine tune it better, eg. with undervolting.
You can also undervolt a locked intel CPU with Intel XTU or ThrottleStop.
@@ZealousPumpkinTV I think you can't for Alder Lake, that's why i have a 12700K desktop system instead of a 12700H laptop.
@@ZealousPumpkinTV I tried Throttlestop and it gives me a BSOD for my chip and Windows 11. Only Intel XTU worked for me.
Going for a 12700+RTX 3070(really want to keep both my kidneys), can I get a decent overall 2k gaming experience? Keeping most the parts from your testing rig, ram maybe going for 3600. Great vid btw 😀
Hi, a question a bit off topic: I just built a PC with the 12700k, (Aero g ,32gb ddr5600 fury) + 1660 gtx + firecuda os drive. I mostly work from Adobe bridge, batch process presets, refine in camera raw & blend or difficult editing in Photoshop. I am amazed at the bluetooth sound from the Aero ( Thanks for the recomendation.) but i am suprised with 4 eficiency cores + 8 power cores I cannot listen to music off UA-cam while editing without getting glitches,jumps etc???? Is there anything I can do to listen to music while editing without all these jumps,glitches,etc???
It's nothing to do with your PC I think it's a limitation of BT I've had the same thing with almost every PC, can't edit with wireless headphones, even Mac Studio with Airpods Max, doesn't work...
@@theTechNotice Thanks, but tried it also by conecting via rca cable & preety much the same, kind of bummer, impressed with the sound quality of the G. Aero but end up having to listen to inferior quality with my phone. Thought the efficiency cores would have sorted it out :(
Any fix?
Are these results applies to 12600 vs 12600k? I probably save on the cooler side between the two and not going for k version. Im not planning to overclock either.
I don’t think so due to the lack of E cores on the 12600. Different core configuration between those 2 CPU
Have the k, oc at 5100 mhz it’s solid, it will do 5400 mhz, but dropped it back to insure stability, also the memory speeds on this cpu is running the memory controller at 5800 MHz, ddr5 no issues. Never even knew the 12700 existed, did not see it when I built my pc, and needed the igpu K , at the time as finding a gpu was umm interesting and expensive, so I used the igpu for awhile. Happy with it, runs well, oc well, and runs cool on air , d15. 50-60c or so, under load.
Mention me some best micro-ATX motherboards (with at least 4.0x3 M.2 NVMe SSD & 64GB DDR4 Ram) for those chips
One of the main reasons for buying the K-sku is for the unlocked multiplier. Did you utilize that feature, that is did you use per core overclocking, at the minimum stable voltage to see what that extra $20 would net you?
My findings is that the 12700k overclocks quite well and is rock solid stable in cinebench for over an hour. I personally would always get K sku if I could. With per core overclocking, you could set the chip to boost to 5.3 GHz on one core, 5.2 GHz for 2-3 cores, and 5.0 or 5.1 GHz for all performance cores. Doing so raises performance in some apps by over 20 percent compared to stock.
Yes idk why ppl are shitting on alderlake overclocking potential. I basically have those settings with 4 GHz on all E-cores with -54mv on my adaptive offset and got 2065 single core and 24900 multicore on cinebench R23. (Stability tested through OCCT and Prime95). Was also scoring 17.8k-18k on Time Spy cpu
Yeah, totally good points. Just ibelieve creators working on their PC 24/7 shouldn't overclock their PC since that raises the risk of loosing your work when the overclock fails. And who knows when this is gonna happen.:)
But if I wasn't a creator, oh yeah go for it!
@@theTechNotice windows can be buggy and can blue screen for other reasons besides an unstable overclock, so you have to build in some kind of redundancy into your work flow. Also, with RAM, Enabling an XMP profile that is above the intel spec is technically overclocking the RAM, so do you also recommend to “creators” not to turn on XMP and leave performance on the table?
Finally, it is a waste to get a K-sku cpu and not utilize it to its maximum stable capability. But to each their own you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. Me personally, I like that I can extract 15-20 percent more performance, stably, by tuning the K-sku to my needs. If I didn’t want the ability to tinker with cpu frequency I’d just get a Mac, which I also have by the way.
@@theTechNotice I can get behind that. A lot of time (and money) can be lost with an unstable machine
Is there really any reason not to buy the 12700K over the 12700 - other than the 5% ($20) price difference...?
You also need to add in the price of a cooler as well as higher price for the K because no cooler supplied.
From this tow Which heat faster ?
I bought the 12700 non-K version and I have a question:
Is the stock cooler good? Or it is better to buy a better cooler like the noctua nh-d15?
Depends on how hard it’s being used but most of the time it’s worth buying an aftermarket cooler
if your case has an alright airflow, an aircooler around 50$ for the non-K would be more than enough, which is what I have on my i7-12700F. (mine is beQuiet! Shadow Rock 3)
Dont think you have to pay 100$ for a cooler, as mine is never even audible in the first place in gaming and some productivity and still keeps it cool
The stock cooler might get high temps, so atleast a cheaper new aircooler is advised though
EDIT: Just did a stress test and the CPU did peak at 79°C with 23°C room temperature.
A 190W TDP air cooler like the Shadow Rock 3 is definitively enough for this CPU
Thank you. I make the decision to save some money and bought the non K 12700 from Amazon after watching this video.
Will use the 12700 for work related for the next two years.
Will save the money and buy the 12900K for oc and for gaming in two three years time.
HI ,Can you make a video about ram needed for resolve and other programs P.s I bought 12600k and already have rx6600 but the timeline performance in bad i make fortnite montages and using ofx like uni.ecto ,twixter, magic bullets ,sapphire any suggestion how to fix this .performance is same both studio and free version .
What codecs are you using for the footage?
The price difference is rather more when I compared as the non-K comes with heatsink/fan, the K version we pay more for the processor plus then having to add the cost of a heatsink and fan, so I went with the non-K. If you already have the cooler or don't want to use the Intel retail one, then the difference is not that great. The K versions are those coming off the production line testing with the best results, so they can clock faster and may use less power because of their better quality. Of course depending on demand, they may have more of these top quality binned processors than they will sell, so they just get hobbled a bit and then sold as the non-K version. This means it's luck of the draw and all processors tend to have slightly different power demands, and that also means they will perform slightly differently as those needing a bit more voltage also run hotter so will throttle a bit more than one that sips a bit less juice. Great review by the way.
Price difference is more than $20 since you need to buy CPU cooler for the K model. I wonder how good the stock cooler on the 12700 is. Which cooler did you use for the 12700k in your testing? Also did you keep the stock cooler on the 12700 for your testing or did you swap it with a different cooler?
He used the Phanteks glacier one 360 mp for both CPUs.
0:39 why you blur the code if you use it?
bro which is best one
12700 or 12600k
Do I still get all this better performance if I put a 12700k in a B660 motherboard? I'm not intersted in overclocking but I'm wondering about all these differences you point out still apply on a B660 ? Anyone's input would be appreciated
Answered in the upcoming Q& A episode.
@@theTechNotice hope it comes soon ! I'm building my PC late may and I'm not fixed on the components yet so I could go for the k :D who knows
Salesman: So what do you want?
customer: a cpu for my gaming rig
salesman: which one?
customer: uhh....
S: intel or amd?
C: intel
S: okay, which intel do you want?
C: uhh...one for gaming
S: i5, i7 or i9?
C: uhh...i7?
S: okay, which generation i7 do you want?
C: umm...the newer ones?
S: 12th?
C: ok.
S: which version? 700?
C: erm...sounds good?
S: which ending?
C: huh?
S: do you want the normal with the integrated graphics or the kf which doesnt have any or the f which also cannot be overclocked or the ks
C: I'm so confused i thought i was going to build a gaming pc
S: we're not even finished with the cpu yet. we'll do the ram sizes next, then their mhz and cl speeds after that. then we'll talk about the resolution you want to game in. And the gpus best suited for it. And which brand you want.
C: you mean nvidia or amd?
S: no, I mean evga, gainward, gigabyte, palit or zotac for the gpu you have already decided on. And then we'll talk about ssd vs hdd. How much space you want and over how many drives. And what type of ssd. And then the psu company, wattage and platinum, gold, silver, bronze rating. And then the proper coolers. And finally you get to pick your case and RGB options. We should be done by next month.
C: ...when new stuff comes out and makes all this look old?
S: yes.
Just took a look at one of the large retailers in Thailand. i7 12700 13,690 Baht (409 USD) i7 12700k 16,350 Baht (488 USD). I didn't search around, but you can normally find cheaper if you do.
Which Thai retailers are good? Any ideas?
@@SuperMontana2008 JIB, Banana IT and Advice are reliable, but not the cheapest. Advice will build you a PC to your specs. These retailers have branches throughout the country and also sell online. You can get better deals through Lazada and Shopee, but there is a risk element with fakes and poor quality products. Thais (Asians in general) are fanatical gamers so there is a big hardware market.
I personally went with the i7-12700F 2 weeks ago, since it was at 330€ when the 12700 was ~350€ and 12700K was at ~400€ here in germany lol
Meanwhile the KF is only 2€ cheaper than K on Mindfactory, Bruh
What are you using to cool it?
@@InkSoul I use the "be quiet! Shadow Rock 3"
Temp while cpu stress testing on a the hottest single core peaks at 78°C at 24°C room temperature, while overall core average peak temp is 75°C
@@Quisspo That actually sounds very good. I'm choosing components for my new build and I have so much trouble picking a cooler for the 12700. Judging by your temps, I suppose I can be safe with the NH-D15s.
@@InkSoul thats for sure you'll have no trouble with it, might even be overkill if you dont overclock
Did you use the same cooler on both?
Yep, like mentioned on the test setup :)
Brasil aqui amigo tudo de bom otimos videos os teus
Single major difference between 12700 and 12700k is that the former falls back (stock) to 65W power draw after 56s. I assume you ran R23 only one round in multi? If you really need performance you should run R23 10 or 20 minutes. This will show you the real performance difference between K and non K CPU.
How about audio production ?
12700 - 30800/- nd 12700k - 37200/- huge price difference for little to no performance difference
does non-K can oc now?b660?
i7 12700 or i5 12900k? which is better? I'll be using it to edit videos using premiere and davinci resolve.
Check 9:00
The difference between the two is 60 bucks in my place. I opted to buy the 12700 instead. Thanks for the video
Very interesting content again! The price difference in Bulgaria is roughly 80$, not 20$... I myself bought the 12700k a while ago and now I'm wondering whether it was a mistake.
Depends which mobo you have ;)
@@theTechNotice I got myself a z690 so I can maximise the potential of that combo.
@@theTechNotice can you please explain why? I am a bit confused. Thanks.
@@JayPandya a cheap mother board will usually have cheaper VRM's. VRMS can throttle performance. Also you can only over clock on Z boards
If you get the 127000 (instead of the K version) can you save money by buying a b660 motherboard and a less expensive air cooler (instead of a z690 mb and an AIO cooler)?
how was it now? planning on it and what ram speed does this cpu support?
The K is worth the extra price and less power draw is always a plus. I've seen your other videos on this cpu. There is the 12700, 12700k, & 12700ks which you recommended for creators and video editing as the one to go with. Do you still feel the 12700ks is the best of all 3?
Thanks...I appreciate all you do to inform everyone on pc specs, tips, etc...
Hi, Why this both processor have different intel logo on the metal cap, please clarify for my question it will be a great help?
same question...did you got the answer
That means your chip lacks AVX512 instructions. I bought an early 12700K from 2021 that has the original oval logo, that means it has AVX512 instructions.
Hi Tech Notice, I'm in between choosing an i7-12700 (non-K) and i7-12700K, I want to pair it with a B660 motherboard, the MSI Mag mortar DDR4 wifi specifically, don't plan to OC but the K version runs faster than the non-k i7-12700 even stock without OC, I'm limited to 240mm AIO h100i xt pro from corsair and my room temp can get as high as 33C, would there be a big difference in thermals between an i7-12700 and an i7-12700K (That runs STOCK?) I've heard from someone recently that due to binning, the i7-12700K runs cooler than the i7-12700 (non-K) at stock speeds. is that true?
AFAIK you can't oc on a b660 anyways. you need a z690 board to oc, so any k versions is moot.
@@respite2061 I'm not interested in overclocking, I don't have the necessary temps/gear to do so, but pairing the B660 with a K processor in this case the i7-12700K is not a bad idea, even at stock without OC, the i7-12700K runs 3-8% faster than the non-K, plus due to binning it might even run cooler and use less watts, I also can adjust the power limit from 125-190W to something more manageable like 85W - 140W and should reduce temps with just a little performance hit. the B660 Im thinking about is the msi b660 mag mortar, its a quality board with the features I need.
@@ZealousPumpkinTV hmm interesting. I'm thinking about upgrading to 12700 myself and wondering if I should get the k or non-k. since it's an mini itx, thermals going to be important for me.
@@respite2061 I had the same thoughts if I should go K or Non-K, apparently the 65W TDP on the Non-K version means almost nothing, there isn't much temp difference and it's easier to overclock your RAM with a K processor.
At this moment the i7-12700 / 15 % US$349.99
and the i7-12700K -12 % US$304.99
what I do ?
I want to upgrade my pc, from the i5-9400f, RTX 2060 and RAM 96gb
I use my pc for editing weddings, and other events... Premiere Pro, Lightroom, Audition are the programs that I use the most
very nice benchmark
I love watching and listening to you. I'm 70 years old and you are talking so far over my head I can't even see it as it goes by. This video, however, made some sense to me, at least a little bit.
Oh well, I could not build build a computer to save my life.
I need to mention I liked your videos on the Mini PC group. Think you talked me out of buying one.
I'm from California USA
You can undervolt the K version, improving the efficency even more while you get infinite, maximum and consistent turbo at the same time.
here in the netherlands (europe) the price difference is like 60 €/$. thanks for helping me choose, i think i am going for the non K.
Power cost is no case?
In Croatia 12700 is around 450Euros while 12700k is 560euros....so the price difference is more then a 100euros...nice vids and thank you for getting us the info we all need :