Grab a PC building modmat (anti-static work surface) on the GN store! store.gamersnexus.net/products/modmat-volt-large Watch the latest roundup of Intel’s B&H motherboards: ua-cam.com/video/EilX422zl9I/v-deo.html Check out the coverage of Z690 motherboards: ua-cam.com/video/VEkDVlv1FFg/v-deo.html AMD B550 chipset explained: ua-cam.com/video/qfTPLF8OKK4/v-deo.html These chipsets are designed for Intel’s latest CPUs. Check out our reviews. i9-12900K: ua-cam.com/video/fhI9tLOg-6I/v-deo.html i7-12700K and 12700KF: ua-cam.com/video/B14h25fKMpY/v-deo.html i5-12600K: ua-cam.com/video/OkHMh8sUSuM/v-deo.html i5-12400: ua-cam.com/video/_P_AGv-DJbU/v-deo.html i3-12100F: ua-cam.com/video/xBDFCoGhZ4g/v-deo.html
If my pre-built acer claims a h670 chipset but mother board says acer on it And acer claims the computer is upgradable dyi and can be take apart with no tools.. does this mean the case can let me put any mother board i want ?
I haven't build a PC in about 8 years... and now trying to get back into it.... I really appreciate the effort in simplifying the info. People really underestimate how much you lose if you're not constantly updating your knowledge on tech.
Bro. Same. Kinda why I follow and just watch Linus, jays2cent, and a few other UA-camrs that break everything down every season. Gives me just enough info to not be completely out of the loop.
@ZyklonBeezy I've been in the same place, so I suggest you to try to research part by part. Start with you budget, then depending on that, get a GPU. From the GPU, decide on the CPU (nowadays its either ryzen 5 5600 or intel i5 12400f for a budget build). Then for the mobo and the others, just research one by one, that fits into your budget
I wish PC's building was like in the old days , you could pop your vga card because you did not set the jumper to the right voltage or you would plop your Cpu in and your computer would just beep or not post at all because you never set your clocks and bus speed for your cpu and your expansion to match your cpu and the bus ( not that thing you take to School in the morning ). Plug and Pray was a thing and it also kept all the Wana be techies out of the game. Today everyone that builds a PC thinks they a techie now, because everything goes in one way and one place and it's all color coded. Bunch of amatures. XD
Just one thing about the comment at around 2:30 that if you have a K SKU CPU, Z690 is all you should be looking at. It's true for the reasons he says, that the K means it's an unlocked chip and you need a Z690 to take advantage of that, but for at least one set of SKUs in Alder Lake there's a bigger difference than just the K SKU being unlocked. The 12600K has 4 efficiency cores, the 12600 has 0. I can think of a definite niche of people who might want to have those 4 extra cores but not care about overclocking. When you look at the benchmarks of the 12600K vs less expensive Intel Alder Lake CPUs, like the 12400, that have no efficiency cores, it becomes clear how big of an impact those extra cores have in productivity workloads, even if they have almost no impact on pure gaming. For someone who wanted bang for the buck in productivity, I think the 12600K seems like a really strong choice in the Alder Lake lineup, but not everyone who wants the chip for that reason is going to care about overclocking, or even know how to overclock a CPU proper. Those people might not want to spend the extra money on a Z series board.
Also, K versions have higher clocks. If you can have it for the same price as a non K, you have some pre OC for free. I got a 10600K for the price of a 10400. Nice bump in GHz for the best B460 :)
@@Spido68_the_spectator K version have higher clock, but ADL i5 have 4 extra E-core, so it's worth go 12600K (and 12600K is like $70 more than 12600 non-K on the street here)
12600 is just 100mhz less than k. If you strictly game and don’t want windows 11 the 12600 does 4.8Ghz on a cheaper b660 platform and thus the fastest 6 core. The 12400 is enough for 1440p/4K gaming, though the 12600 should be more capable to generate 10-25 frames more due to 400mhz higher boost. The 12600 will need a better cooling. In my country the 12400 is only 35€ cheaper. The 12400f is about 180, 12400 ~205, 12600 ~240, 12600k ~300
There is 12700 non-k CPU which cost a little bit more but faster than 12600k. 12700 non-k with good b660(h670) DDR4 motherboard will be the best for rendering or video editing kind of work for that amount of money. Obviously you'll need to remove power limits from 65 watts because its limiting performance of non-k CPU and buy good CPU cooler.
I know this is late in the year but thank you for breaking this down. I have been out of the building game for a few years since x299. Finding all these older videos makes my choices easier in knowing what to get.
this is perfect, as a long time user of Ryzen systems, ive pretty much let my knowledge of Intel chipsets escape my brain in favor of the competition, seems like the rivalry is heating up and its time to add some wrinkled to my brain and remember how the hell Intel chipsets are even divided by chipset class (with ryzen it was fairly straight forward: A series was entry level "i just want it to work on a shoestring budget" B series was "id like a little headroom without spending a lot/i want to overclock and want a few bells and whistles without going crazy for stuff ill rarely use" X series was "just give me everything even if i wont use it" (yes i know these are simplified assumptions, its ok to not be 100% accurate in a YT comment, embrace the jocularity)
I've even kind of dumped AM4 board information at this point. I forgot about the A series. B550 PCIE gen 4 only to the x16 slot. X570 has 4.0 chipset link so more 4.0 available. Probably some other stuff but that is all I can think of. No insane support mattix.
Finally ! A chipset review in detail. Very few "reviews" have much to say about the subject. I might add that there are times when the K vs non K prices are within $10 of each other which means...buy the K because, sources say, it is about 10% faster out of the box than the same non K CPU. The Intel printed specs between them suggest they are the same however, there are sources suggesting that is not accurate. However, folks never talk about the K cost factor requiring a CPU cooler and that expense which will add a fair $50 to the K cost vs non K that comes with a cooler.
$170 Australian for a NH-D15 and core temps below 70oC for a 5Ghz 10600K everyday oc is not a major cost when you consider the big performance difference vs a stock 10600 non k, also a good cooler coupled with raised limits means you don't need to worry about thermal or power throttling so you ride max turbo boost on non K CPUs with a mobo that will override the limits like the asus mobos (strix z690 disables them 😀)
@@LuxTheSlav That is true however, Intel has improved them as of gen 10 I believe. They usually do just fine for the slower non k models but for those with upper non K models such as the xx500/xx600, the stock coolers are noisey. I have no experiences yet with the newer Intel coolers as we typically use K models.
I bet H610 will be the most used chipset by OEMs. I can already see a Dell machine with it, with huge marketing banner over it, claiming: "We no longer use proprietary custom hardware!"
I'm glad i found this breakdown, no one ever talks about the H610 chipset in any of the CPU reviews so i didn't understand the difference. H610 was $40-50 cheaper so i bought that. Fortunately despite all the huffing and puffing about it the H610 will actually still be fine for my gaming computer since i'm gonna put a gen3 nvme in it and can't imagine needing 20gbps USB when every USB device i own can't saturate 5gbps USB. I seriously think you overblow the difference between the B660 and H610 here with the 'not suitable for gaming PCs' talk.
It's always like that. I haven't used any form of RAID for my private computer in decades either. And tech reviewers treat it like most of their viewerbase has RAID5 on their grandma's media center. Like no, fam. The H610 itself is already priced from €90 upwards in comparison to older socket cheap MOBOs that I could find from €55+. I am not paying another €20 premium on top of the inflated €90.
I built an entry level gaming rig for a friend with an i3-12100F + H610M + RTX2060 (old card), it plays Elden Ring, Valheim whatever they throw at it without issue. So yeah, I think tech reviewers get caught up comparing all the current hardware, but the lowest end chips, mobo's, etc are often way better than what was top end a few years ago, and the software takes years to catch up.
Great content, I started watching your videos recently to select what components to buy on my PC (my last build was in 2016). Your channel provides a lot of good information directed to consumers and the advice given it's always amazing.
As someone who used to watch every one of your videos to build my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd PCs but has since fallen off since life got in the way, I appreciate you dumbing it down a bit for people like me who are just getting back into the hardware world. Super helpful to get back up-to-date on all of it.
H610 is fine for basic office machines. I built 12100F rigs for both of my parents, and they work quite well. Paired with RX 460 2GB cards(the OEM ones that were $50 for a long time some years ago) 16GB in 8x2 configuration and 500GB Gen3 M.2 drives. They love them.
H610 boards are perfectly fine for running 12400f since they give the same performance as any other more expensive boards with that cpu. Only reason not to go with them is if you dont like IO options. As for B660 boards In my country Asus TUF B660-plus D4 costs same as Gigabyte z690 UD and MSI B660M Mortar costs same as MSI z690-A pro. Zero logic to go for higher end B boards no matter the cpu choice. You should look into ASRock B660 Pro RS which is widely available, costs $120-150 and can support 12700 without thermal throttling.
It be nice if you and every other hardware reviewer could come up with a motherboard list of B660 boards that are capable of BCLK overclocking locked CPUs like the 12400f. Like der8auer showed how it's possible to OC a locked 12400 to like 5.2GHz on a B660 Strix. But I think most people would like to know if there are cheaper B660 boards out there with external clock gens, or have the BCLK feature enabled by some other way.
H610 is not as bad as you make out. At all. You get M.2 PCIE 3.0 x 4 (on most boards), which is the same as any budget M.2. You get 1 DIMM slot per channel, which is just fine - 2 x 8GB is sufficient for any user considering this level of board. You get a PCIE 4.0 x 16 slot for the GPU, which works with all GPUs in existence at full speed. And the USB ports are more than adequate. Ok, you will have to run your RAM at DDR4-3200, but that's more than fast.
i really didnt get the difference between 660 vs 610, is it only overclocking? i m trying to get build with i7 12700, rtx 3060, 8*2 ddr4 ram , 1tb ssd + 250gb ssd any advise?
This is just so much information that passed so perfectly. The first time i actually understood a video of this kind with ease. Earned a like and a sub
I've always been confused by the H-series board names. What makes H670 and H610 both "H" boards? what's the common link? why isn't H670 a "B" series board for example?
H series has double the dmi link between chip and chipset. So you can get more IO. Basically if you don’t need overclocking but need all the extra usb, thunderbolt and use expansion cards. But the price difference between h670 and z690 means you can always find a z690 at a similar price where you still get the same amount of IO on the z690, but also have overclocking unlocked if you ever do get a k sku. Basically unless you see an h670 at $50 or more less than z690 AND have no plans to overclock go with h670. But if you need the IO most likely you can find a z690 at a similar price of h670
H series has been around longer than b series. Hx7x was the best non-overclocking board you could get, basically all the features of Z just no overclocking. This is good for high end business and office PCs where they may need lots of IO but don't want to mess with OC stuff. Hx1x was also not overclocking but was more aimed at budget builds really stripped of high end features. Think of running a cash register. It's the number that differentiates these non-overclocking H boards. H77 vs H71, H87 vs H81, H97 vs H91, H170 vs H110. B series is newer. It is a more budget focused option between the two H series. It has recently been marketed mainly towards gamers. Before B series existed, I bought Hx7 boards for regular non-K Intel cpus. There's also Q series motherboard chipsets from Intel which is sometimes similar to the Hx7x. It's even more business and oem focused though.
Hey guys, great video, thanks for explaining this! This topic is probably the single greatest source of confusion for people (both new and experienced) in building PCs.
Thanks for taking it down a bit, I needed a refresh on the terms and acronyms. Got back into the "master race" last year, luckily had a nerd friend upgrading so I got some parts for cheap, and hunted down a used 2080ti for around 450$. I have a scrap rig going and am looking forward to getting into the game of upgrading down the years to come. You guys have helped me understand a lot of the things that have gone under my radar the past years. What products to avoid like the plague that's been rolling around and others to keep an eye on for sales. Dropped out of the game around 2010/2011. Love the videos and the way you lay down harsh facts. Keep the good work going and hope this year brings less disappointments then the previous year. Love from Norway
Wow Steve you just saved me so much headache! I have been trying to put together a new PC for weeks, after being stuck with apple for the last 6 years. I had totally forgotten K-series chips are wasted on non-Z boards. I was about to buy a B660 board for a 13600K.
Just wanted to say thank you so much for going over the basics in this video. I haven't built a machine in nearly 10 years and it was really important to hear you spell out the fundamentals like what boards and chips support OC as I try to look at my options for upgrading.
Thanks for interpreting what the differences between each chipset would mean to our systems. I like how he stands with the community in terms of getting the best motherboard configurations for our use, not encouraging the OEMs to add more gimmicky stuff
It isn't tough though. For 99.99% of applications, B550 is plenty. It's still an Unlocked platform, not that AMD's CPUs have that much manual OC head room.
I wonder if part of their business plan is to confuse as many as possible with all the alternatives to just make people buy the Z chipset because it is easiest to know you get everything rather than researching exactly which chipset you need for your use case.
When I was building and fixing computers a lot more than I am now I’d ask the customer what are you trying to do with the machine. If you ask them what they want most just say what’s new? So a lot of people that didn’t need it spent $300 instead of $1k+.
Intel licensing fees are absolutely insane... I know the 12600k is technically faster, but I bought the 5600x purely because it was more efficient, cheaper, and the motherboard was literally a 1/3 the cost of the same quality Intel board.
@@weasle2904 5600x is a slower CPU, so of course it is cheaper. But the 5600x is actually the one that has bad value for money. In terms of performance, the 5600x is closer to the 12400 than it is to the 12600k. The 12400f is significantly cheaper than the 5600x, and you will pay less for the intel system (CPU + motherboard + ram) than you will for the Ryzen system. AMD is no longer the budget option like they were in 2017 and 2018. They are no overpriced compared to intel.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior AMD recently reduced their pricing recently, and their motherboards are so much cheaper it's actually a better value to get AMD. Not to mention AMD CPUs are waaaaaaaaaay more efficient
Thank you so much for this explainer! I'm currently in the process of getting my things in order to start building a new computer and this was exactly what I needed. Even though I'm looking at 11th gen Intel CPUs, this still mapped perfectly with the chipset numbers I was seeing (Z590, H570, B560, H510). I dare say this wasn't "dumbed down" at all, just "distilled" into the key differences.
@@MitternachtAngel I bought i3 12100f with h610 mobo gigabyte for 215 dollars . Which has almost the same price for i3 10105f but more expensive for 25-35 bucks , (10105f plus h510 = $175) . Hahhahaha that was a very good deal , and now it's out of stock. The performance of i3 12th from 10th gen is kinda huge.
Yo GN, when you zoom in on specific parts of the graph shown at 4:30, can you not blur the list of specification names in the left column? Maybe zoom that column as well so it stays lined up.
@@GamersNexus when we are having some B660 and H670 motherboards comparisons and benchmarks? I can’t find any videos on UA-cam and the motherboards are already launched.
@@GeekNerdNoir Remember that GN benchmarks to the intel spec; meaning any weird mobo settings like 101mhz bclk or unlimited power budget would be ignored. mobos should function identically until you start messing with settings (which most mobo manufacturers already do out-of-the-box). This is probably a main reason why performance tests aren't done at GN... because most mobos are preset to run out-of-manufacturer-spec when you plug them in, meaning it's not a manufacturer benchmark comparison; it's a mobo default settings comparison.
@@GamersNexus maybe making it darker on the ones you want to keep the viewer from being distracted by, blurring can mess with my eyes but thats a me thing so if not or if that messes with some other type of eyes that's fine cause I already enjoy the channel and it would just be a nice to have in my perspective
You should have tagged a few major sites providing specs for all this . It's much easier to see in a long detailed list how this stuff goes together plus the spec sheets are essential .
Hey, could you please make a list of good B660 mobos which have good thermals, VRM etc so we can go for a budget build. Really looking forward to it! Love the channel! Thank you
The problem is that most of the B660 boards with good VRMs cost as much as cheapest Z690 boards but still dont have better VRMs than their counterparts.
@@benderbg Not really a problem. You don't need good VRMs on B660 because Alder Lake is much more efficient than Comet/Rocket Lake. You just need VRMs that aren't absolute trash. Anything with a VRM heatsink and at least 3 MOSFETs per phase should be fine for up to an i7-12700. If you're looking for a cheap B660 motherboard, the Gigabyte B660M DS3H, ASUS Prime B660M-A, and MSI Pro B660M-A all have VRMs that would easily be good enough for an i7-12700. (MSI, why did you change your naming scheme to be basically identical to ASUS?). Prices seem very variable between regions.
I'm thinking about a Z690 build in the near future so this helped! It most re-affirmed what I already knew, I didn't realize B660 was quite as cut down though. Z690 it is!
I went strix z690 gaming A (ddr4), 32gb g-skill 4000cl16, 12600k, samsung 980 evo+, strix 3080ti oc. CPU @ 5ghz, gpu power limit +12% & undervolt (strix already had massive factory power lim so it's around 450W now). My rig smashes my mates 5950x in multi threaded benchmarks and gpu benches better then most 3090's. Thermals are great too. Cost and arm and a leg but I don't regret it.
I got an H610M S2H from gigabyte, and as far as I can tell the only drawbacks are the single m.2 slot (pcie 3.0) and there only are two memory channels. I was surprised to see the 4.0 pcie x16 slot honestly. It was really cheap too, and with two 8gb 3200 mhz ram sticks I don't think I will need more memory slots.
Thats what I was surprised about the gen4 x16, Is it that different than the others, did you notice if it caps the cpu? Cause I found an itx h610 for 80eur (asrock) and was thinking about upgrading from my z170, to a locked 13th gen i5 or i7... Cause I already got 32gb 3200 ram and 1tb nvme pcie 3, could save a bit.. was either this or b660, maybe b550
@@dragoljubzdravkovic1737 get a b660, a good one, most boards can handle the good cpus of this generation if you decide to upgrade later... which is the main point of these. right now.
@@TrikipumI've heard the same advice back when 10th gen was released, fast forward 3 years later when i need to upgrade, now people said there's no point upgrading withn 10th gen, go 12th gen instead, so this whole idea of getting better board so that we can upgrade to better cpu down the line become falls apart when i have to change motherboard as well upgrading to 12th gen, though for me i was aiming at best an i5, if one decided to get i7 then there's no point getting a budget board
Thank you THANK YOU for including a few moments of simple, non-electrical-engineering-degree language in this video! The only problem I've ever had with this channel is that you get into the nitty gritty details without summing it all up for the rest of us. Example: I was "today" years old when I found that Intel "K" should be used with Z690 boards. Steve even said "most of you probably know that ." I was like REALLY.
that's usually (kinda) true, because you pay a premium for 'K' which gets you overclocking, as well as a 100 MHz speed boost (which you won't notice). Confusingly it's not true for this generation, because the 12600K is basically an 'i6', because it has more cores than the 12600, and the overclocking support is almost completely incidental to the fact that it's a much better CPU than the 12600, whereas the 11600K was NOT much better than the 11600. So if you want 10 cores for streaming or programming or whatever, then there's no need to get Z690 if a particular B660 or H670 board meets your need.
You are my new favorite! Truly a well-spoken professional that absolutely knows his stuff, especially relating to board architecture, but without any of the typical tech egomania or useless personal rabble-rant. I just graduated to a Z-690 Alder Lake system with an RTX 3070ti, after a decade of being a die-hard x79 Geekstress, with my wonderful little m-atx Patsburg-Romley PCH powerhouse which was worth every bit it’s weight and then some working for me … it was really hard to say goodbye! Thrilled to find an awesome new resource, and you are a pleasure to listen to - never once while watching your content do I find myself wishing to God it would just be over! 🤣😁 Thanks Steve!
And remember that Amazon usually never ships Mobos in boxes. The only way they'll use a box is if you combine it with other items & choose the the "get your order in fewer boxes" option (which is usually slower)
Stock of some stuff is still hard to come by, I have a friend who has been wanting to build for a while. He was able to snag a 3080ti FE at MSRP which blew hes budget considering he has a 1080p 240hz monitor and only plays warzone. He can't find a 12600 in stock so is going with a 12600k even though he doesn't plan to overclock. Pairing with a $180 B660 Asus tuf because checks the other boxes. It still has PCIe 5.0 top slot, 2x PCIe 4.0 M.2, etc. Not a perfect pairing by any means but he's excited to build his first pc.
The 12600 is a weak choice due to the extra $$$ compared with a 12500 and just a tiny 200 MHz speed bump, so it's probably a good thing he got the much stronger 12600k with the 10 cores
@@thelawnet good to know thanks. At least there are options available and happy to see Intel hitting back against AMD I hope it encourage the choices when they release AM5.
Relatedly I had a request for a video series A straight forward actual setup guide in bios settings and windows options for the new alder lake CPUs and these newer mobos. As a lot of us have been out of the hardware game for 3 years due to "Incidents" and that is roughly the time frame the Ryzen dominated the charts. That and 99.9 percent of videos are overclocking guides when most just want to know if they have the baseline setup right in the first place.
Still wishing for a budget B660 board with BCLK OC support, I wanna shove some celeron and i3 in and just cramp unholy amount of voltage in and overclock them to death in stock cooler.
Given that my 11400 thermal throttled with the boxed cooler, on "Asus default out of the box" settings, I suspect that wouldn't take very much at all. Just enable MCE and run AIDA for 30 seconds.
@@fermitupoupon1754 12th gen stock cooler is substantially better, it can actually handle a 6 core locked CPU at full turbo, I heard 8 core require some undervolt to maintain 100% turbo though.
Very detailed 👍. Even tho most of viewers only needs a few seconds of this video telling them what is appropriate to consider before they buy. I watched this over 4 times because I was sleepy to listen to everything
Hello from the future. This video was very helpful because I didn't know what the difference was between Z,H, and B. While I don't plan to ever overclock I did buy a MSI B760 Gaming Plus WiFi with an I7 12700KF on Cyber Monday. Though if I watched this sooner I would have gotten a Z board instead since they were on sale then.
SLI/Crossfire always been hyper confusing, 2022 and still we can't get full hyper-speed on each hyper-PCI-Express connector. So the extra PCI-E are mostly hyper cut on performance and the extra hyper lanes provided by the CPU are hyper limited.
When showing the spec table for H610, in the row for Mem channels/DPC you show h610 as having 2/1, which I'd read as 2 memory channels and 1 DPC I thought H610 had 1 memory channel and 2 dims for that channel? That's certainly what you said out loud earlier in the video
Great information to recap just before black friday/ cyber monday deals! Bought i5-12600K/ B660 combo for ($240+$100)to replace my >10 years old i5-2500/H61M. What a great save from 13th gen!
Before I dropped an additional 30 pounds (once, well worth it imo) for a PCI-e sound card, I used to stick to the strix B-series boards because they fairly reliably had no/little crosstalk on the analog audio lanes. Something to consider if one does not want to buy a sound card and isn't using a cheap USB headset anyway.
I'm glad Steve thinks this video will be understood by new or rusty PC builders. He clearly needs to get out more because most newbs would have been completely lost after his first sentence.
I was literally about to buy a B660 for 240. So I'm very happy to have seen this. Z690 are the same price if not some are cheaper! Thank you for the great info
Great coverage of all these crucial specs. Although I found by trawling through a few manuals that you can so be overcloking a K series CPU on the H670 chipsets. For example with the PRIME D4, generally within the BIOS and with the Steel Legend you may attenuate the CPU voltage in the BIOS and use the A-Tuning software in Windows at the least to boost the BCLK frequency.
So folks 100 MHz default base clock to play with and the, "Multiplier", of the CPU gives the total base clock frequency. I must point this out as some folk may think that the BCLK figure is something else.
Some chipsets and BIOS like my AMD X570 Pro4 uses the method of attenuation of the figure for the total base clock speed as I've overclocked my 3900X by 250 MHz from 3.8 GHz base speed to 4.05 GHz which allowed for my Crucial Ballistix Gaming Elite 3600 MHz to be overclocked one more notch by XMP to 3733 MHz. This 3900X overclock I gathered would be possible with a 100 mV CPU cache level boost or 0.1 more Volts.
It was a big help to break this mess of boards with all kinds of features being flashed around on them. There are several logic points of goals that seem to automatically dial up the board to use without much fuss. The only thing I would have like to have at this point is whether to go with DDR 4 half the price of DDR5 and it seems that DDR4 actually is faster until faster DDR 5 is available. So some talk on that decision tree DDR4 or DDR5 and what points between them have relevance to actual real world use. Thanks!
I struggle to find meaning in the lower tier boards.... The amount of money saved on tooling/production by NOT making H610's could easily subsidize the costs of the higher tier boards, resulting in cheaper higher end components. Plus less e-waste. I get that they want to hit that lower price bracket, but by not making it at all, the B660 could fill that gap with a lower price, and just better hardware for everybody.
Excellent guide. I don't have any current plans to move off of AMD, but if AM5 doesn't impress, I may look at Intel. This will be my bookmarked video to review if I end up switching back to the blue team. Thanks!
I just finished an Alder Lake build, and it's fantastic. However, I can honestly say AMD's Zen 4 on the new AM5 platform will definitely be better. According to Lisa Su, they're running over 5 GHz on all cores while stable. That's gonna be a game-changer.
there's another reason to go for Z690 over the rest, the number of SATA ports I want to build a home NAS with TrueNAS and the number of SATA ports diminishes with the B, H and Q boards the other major caveat is PCIe lanes, you'd want one or two 10gbe card, a HBA for future expansion
H670 has the exact same number of possible (will vary by manufacturer) SATA ports. You can always throw a cheap IT mode controller in it and add another 4 or 8 ports.
No offense, but this paper specifications is not much helping unless you test it in real life. I was thinking that you will going to test to show how good is the power delivery and VRM section because that's the most thing matters. This thing you explained can easily be taken out from Google, but how well the performance difference can be seen only when it would be tested. Supposed, I was going to buy i5 12400f but got confused between h610 and b660, so a benchmark test would have clearly shown me the difference, also which brand because I have seen same board performs different depending brand to brand, even if both are H, B or high end Z series.
Grab a PC building modmat (anti-static work surface) on the GN store! store.gamersnexus.net/products/modmat-volt-large
Watch the latest roundup of Intel’s B&H motherboards: ua-cam.com/video/EilX422zl9I/v-deo.html
Check out the coverage of Z690 motherboards: ua-cam.com/video/VEkDVlv1FFg/v-deo.html
AMD B550 chipset explained: ua-cam.com/video/qfTPLF8OKK4/v-deo.html
These chipsets are designed for Intel’s latest CPUs. Check out our reviews.
i9-12900K: ua-cam.com/video/fhI9tLOg-6I/v-deo.html
i7-12700K and 12700KF: ua-cam.com/video/B14h25fKMpY/v-deo.html
i5-12600K: ua-cam.com/video/OkHMh8sUSuM/v-deo.html
i5-12400: ua-cam.com/video/_P_AGv-DJbU/v-deo.html
i3-12100F: ua-cam.com/video/xBDFCoGhZ4g/v-deo.html
Currently 12600k is cheaper than non k in Europe
Hey, are you, or have you, doing this for AMD chipsets?
can the ddr4 be compatible with ddr5 Asus boards
Buena capo!
If my pre-built acer claims a h670 chipset but mother board says acer on it
And acer claims the computer is upgradable dyi and can be take apart with no tools.. does this mean the case can let me put any mother board i want ?
I haven't build a PC in about 8 years... and now trying to get back into it.... I really appreciate the effort in simplifying the info. People really underestimate how much you lose if you're not constantly updating your knowledge on tech.
Bro. Same. Kinda why I follow and just watch Linus, jays2cent, and a few other UA-camrs that break everything down every season. Gives me just enough info to not be completely out of the loop.
Same here bro…. My build is so damn old
@ZyklonBeezy I've been in the same place, so I suggest you to try to research part by part. Start with you budget, then depending on that, get a GPU. From the GPU, decide on the CPU (nowadays its either ryzen 5 5600 or intel i5 12400f for a budget build). Then for the mobo and the others, just research one by one, that fits into your budget
Same. its like you came out of a hibernation everything's changed
I wish PC's building was like in the old days , you could pop your vga card because you did not set the jumper to the right voltage or you would plop your Cpu in and your computer would just beep or not post at all because you never set your clocks and bus speed for your cpu and your expansion to match your cpu and the bus ( not that thing you take to School in the morning ). Plug and Pray was a thing and it also kept all the Wana be techies out of the game. Today everyone that builds a PC thinks they a techie now, because everything goes in one way and one place and it's all color coded. Bunch of amatures. XD
Just one thing about the comment at around 2:30 that if you have a K SKU CPU, Z690 is all you should be looking at. It's true for the reasons he says, that the K means it's an unlocked chip and you need a Z690 to take advantage of that, but for at least one set of SKUs in Alder Lake there's a bigger difference than just the K SKU being unlocked. The 12600K has 4 efficiency cores, the 12600 has 0. I can think of a definite niche of people who might want to have those 4 extra cores but not care about overclocking. When you look at the benchmarks of the 12600K vs less expensive Intel Alder Lake CPUs, like the 12400, that have no efficiency cores, it becomes clear how big of an impact those extra cores have in productivity workloads, even if they have almost no impact on pure gaming. For someone who wanted bang for the buck in productivity, I think the 12600K seems like a really strong choice in the Alder Lake lineup, but not everyone who wants the chip for that reason is going to care about overclocking, or even know how to overclock a CPU proper. Those people might not want to spend the extra money on a Z series board.
Also, K versions have higher clocks. If you can have it for the same price as a non K, you have some pre OC for free. I got a 10600K for the price of a 10400. Nice bump in GHz for the best B460 :)
@@Spido68_the_spectator K version have higher clock, but ADL i5 have 4 extra E-core, so it's worth go 12600K (and 12600K is like $70 more than 12600 non-K on the street here)
I think its true. I dont care about OC anymore and ordered a B660 motherboard and the 12600k.
12600 is just 100mhz less than k. If you strictly game and don’t want windows 11 the 12600 does 4.8Ghz on a cheaper b660 platform and thus the fastest 6 core. The 12400 is enough for 1440p/4K gaming, though the 12600 should be more capable to generate 10-25 frames more due to 400mhz higher boost. The 12600 will need a better cooling. In my country the 12400 is only 35€ cheaper. The 12400f is about 180, 12400 ~205, 12600 ~240, 12600k ~300
There is 12700 non-k CPU which cost a little bit more but faster than 12600k. 12700 non-k with good b660(h670) DDR4 motherboard will be the best for rendering or video editing kind of work for that amount of money. Obviously you'll need to remove power limits from 65 watts because its limiting performance of non-k CPU and buy good CPU cooler.
This Gamers Nexus video is rated E for everyone.
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Tactical! xD
Fuck that
E for Entry-level friendly
Rated Zeeeeee for... Error 101 joke not found.
This is how u get millions of views work at 9pm on Saturday night. Keep grinding good stuff
Slow but steady growth for sure!
I know this is late in the year but thank you for breaking this down. I have been out of the building game for a few years since x299. Finding all these older videos makes my choices easier in knowing what to get.
The last pc I built had a Cyrix 686, so I really appreciate the beginner info. It's helped a lot in my recent build. Thank you.
this is perfect, as a long time user of Ryzen systems, ive pretty much let my knowledge of Intel chipsets escape my brain in favor of the competition, seems like the rivalry is heating up and its time to add some wrinkled to my brain and remember how the hell Intel chipsets are even divided by chipset class
(with ryzen it was fairly straight forward:
A series was entry level "i just want it to work on a shoestring budget"
B series was "id like a little headroom without spending a lot/i want to overclock and want a few bells and whistles without going crazy for stuff ill rarely use"
X series was "just give me everything even if i wont use it"
(yes i know these are simplified assumptions, its ok to not be 100% accurate in a YT comment, embrace the jocularity)
pretty accurate lol
I've even kind of dumped AM4 board information at this point. I forgot about the A series. B550 PCIE gen 4 only to the x16 slot. X570 has 4.0 chipset link so more 4.0 available. Probably some other stuff but that is all I can think of. No insane support mattix.
@@pkt1213 b550 can have a 16x pcie and slot while having a nvme 4.0 slot too
Dude. I’m looking at building an intel PC and this helps a ton. PCIe lanes get confusing fast. Great vid!!!
Finally ! A chipset review in detail. Very few "reviews" have much to say about the subject.
I might add that there are times when the K vs non K prices are within $10 of each other which means...buy the K because, sources say, it is about 10% faster out of the box than the same non K CPU. The Intel printed specs between them suggest they are the same however, there are sources suggesting that is not accurate. However, folks never talk about the K cost factor requiring a CPU cooler and that expense which will add a fair $50 to the K cost vs non K that comes with a cooler.
Intel stock coolers are trash anyway.
$170 Australian for a NH-D15 and core temps below 70oC for a 5Ghz 10600K everyday oc is not a major cost when you consider the big performance difference vs a stock 10600 non k, also a good cooler coupled with raised limits means you don't need to worry about thermal or power throttling so you ride max turbo boost on non K CPUs with a mobo that will override the limits like the asus mobos (strix z690 disables them 😀)
@@LuxTheSlav That is true however, Intel has improved them as of gen 10 I believe. They usually do just fine for the slower non k models but for those with upper non K models such as the xx500/xx600, the stock coolers are noisey. I have no experiences yet with the newer Intel coolers as we typically use K models.
I bet H610 will be the most used chipset by OEMs. I can already see a Dell machine with it, with huge marketing banner over it, claiming: "We no longer use proprietary custom hardware!"
Then perhaps Dell themselves will win an It’s Better Than Dell™️™️ award.
I'm glad i found this breakdown, no one ever talks about the H610 chipset in any of the CPU reviews so i didn't understand the difference. H610 was $40-50 cheaper so i bought that. Fortunately despite all the huffing and puffing about it the H610 will actually still be fine for my gaming computer since i'm gonna put a gen3 nvme in it and can't imagine needing 20gbps USB when every USB device i own can't saturate 5gbps USB. I seriously think you overblow the difference between the B660 and H610 here with the 'not suitable for gaming PCs' talk.
It's always like that. I haven't used any form of RAID for my private computer in decades either. And tech reviewers treat it like most of their viewerbase has RAID5 on their grandma's media center.
Like no, fam. The H610 itself is already priced from €90 upwards in comparison to older socket cheap MOBOs that I could find from €55+. I am not paying another €20 premium on top of the inflated €90.
@@rokosoldat9912 I, and many, many others, do use RAID and this is a video about the latest tech available not your grandma's media center.
I built an entry level gaming rig for a friend with an i3-12100F + H610M + RTX2060 (old card), it plays Elden Ring, Valheim whatever they throw at it without issue. So yeah, I think tech reviewers get caught up comparing all the current hardware, but the lowest end chips, mobo's, etc are often way better than what was top end a few years ago, and the software takes years to catch up.
@@Alford425 Why did you buy an i3-12100F + H610M instead of just buying an i9-12900K + Z690?
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior wtf
Awesome video. Thanks for explaining. I was going stir crazy trying to figure the difference between these boards.
Bought a Z690 mobo. Bigger number, betterer, right?
Imagine how much easier this video would have been to make!
Yep and mobo is an extra 100hp
Bigger number not better H610 vs Z590 which mainboard would you buy ? XD
And it has 69.
NICE!
Great content, I started watching your videos recently to select what components to buy on my PC (my last build was in 2016). Your channel provides a lot of good information directed to consumers and the advice given it's always amazing.
Thank you Steven for bringing it back to basics as i needed a refresher,it has been two years since i last kept up with tech improvements
As someone who used to watch every one of your videos to build my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd PCs but has since fallen off since life got in the way, I appreciate you dumbing it down a bit for people like me who are just getting back into the hardware world. Super helpful to get back up-to-date on all of it.
I appreciate you “dumbing the language down” for us n00bs to PC building…and appreciated the structured approach to the video, thanks.
I think it's great you cover the basics. Excellent Customer Service!
Steve really shampoo’s his hair well today, he looking fly as heck
H610 is fine for basic office machines. I built 12100F rigs for both of my parents, and they work quite well. Paired with RX 460 2GB cards(the OEM ones that were $50 for a long time some years ago) 16GB in 8x2 configuration and 500GB Gen3 M.2 drives. They love them.
H610 boards are perfectly fine for running 12400f since they give the same performance as any other more expensive boards with that cpu. Only reason not to go with them is if you dont like IO options. As for B660 boards In my country Asus TUF B660-plus D4 costs same as Gigabyte z690 UD and MSI B660M Mortar costs same as MSI z690-A pro. Zero logic to go for higher end B boards no matter the cpu choice. You should look into ASRock B660 Pro RS which is widely available, costs $120-150 and can support 12700 without thermal throttling.
i agree , it was an overly offhand dismissal , gaming performance can easily equal and sometimes exceed more expensive boards with the 12400f
Can I go for h610 with i3 12400f? I don't have any future plans for upgradation.
4:30 We're all waiting on that external clock generator list.
Great review as always. Thank you. Still waiting on my awesome GN T-shirts.
It be nice if you and every other hardware reviewer could come up with a motherboard list of B660 boards that are capable of BCLK overclocking locked CPUs like the 12400f. Like der8auer showed how it's possible to OC a locked 12400 to like 5.2GHz on a B660 Strix. But I think most people would like to know if there are cheaper B660 boards out there with external clock gens, or have the BCLK feature enabled by some other way.
Just wait till people on Reddit make a spreadsheet.
The performance you get from an overclocked 12400 is incredible
@@mirzadaullymun7129 the price you pay makes it a waste of money
All the boards are expensive ddr5 boards
STRIX B660-G GAMING WIFI
STRIX B660-F GAMING WIFI
here is whole list of b660 boards with BCLK oc
H610 is not as bad as you make out. At all.
You get M.2 PCIE 3.0 x 4 (on most boards), which is the same as any budget M.2.
You get 1 DIMM slot per channel, which is just fine - 2 x 8GB is sufficient for any user considering this level of board.
You get a PCIE 4.0 x 16 slot for the GPU, which works with all GPUs in existence at full speed.
And the USB ports are more than adequate.
Ok, you will have to run your RAM at DDR4-3200, but that's more than fast.
i really didnt get the difference between 660 vs 610, is it only overclocking? i m trying to get build with i7 12700, rtx 3060, 8*2 ddr4 ram , 1tb ssd + 250gb ssd any advise?
i think the gpu pcie x 16 is 3.0 not 4.0
@@Chris-rr9ud nah it's 4.0 for the GPU
This is just so much information that passed so perfectly. The first time i actually understood a video of this kind with ease.
Earned a like and a sub
I've always been confused by the H-series board names. What makes H670 and H610 both "H" boards? what's the common link? why isn't H670 a "B" series board for example?
Because your mom
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H series has double the dmi link between chip and chipset. So you can get more IO. Basically if you don’t need overclocking but need all the extra usb, thunderbolt and use expansion cards. But the price difference between h670 and z690 means you can always find a z690 at a similar price where you still get the same amount of IO on the z690, but also have overclocking unlocked if you ever do get a k sku. Basically unless you see an h670 at $50 or more less than z690 AND have no plans to overclock go with h670. But if you need the IO most likely you can find a z690 at a similar price of h670
@@Jsteeeez then why h610 is called h too?
H series has been around longer than b series. Hx7x was the best non-overclocking board you could get, basically all the features of Z just no overclocking. This is good for high end business and office PCs where they may need lots of IO but don't want to mess with OC stuff. Hx1x was also not overclocking but was more aimed at budget builds really stripped of high end features. Think of running a cash register. It's the number that differentiates these non-overclocking H boards.
H77 vs H71, H87 vs H81, H97 vs H91, H170 vs H110.
B series is newer. It is a more budget focused option between the two H series. It has recently been marketed mainly towards gamers. Before B series existed, I bought Hx7 boards for regular non-K Intel cpus.
There's also Q series motherboard chipsets from Intel which is sometimes similar to the Hx7x. It's even more business and oem focused though.
Great content for us regular people. I'm really glad someone explained all this to me.
Hey guys, great video, thanks for explaining this! This topic is probably the single greatest source of confusion for people (both new and experienced) in building PCs.
Thank you for presenting some deep & sound technical stuff!
Thanks for taking it down a bit, I needed a refresh on the terms and acronyms. Got back into the "master race" last year, luckily had a nerd friend upgrading so I got some parts for cheap, and hunted down a used 2080ti for around 450$. I have a scrap rig going and am looking forward to getting into the game of upgrading down the years to come.
You guys have helped me understand a lot of the things that have gone under my radar the past years. What products to avoid like the plague that's been rolling around and others to keep an eye on for sales.
Dropped out of the game around 2010/2011. Love the videos and the way you lay down harsh facts. Keep the good work going and hope this year brings less disappointments then the previous year. Love from Norway
Wow Steve you just saved me so much headache! I have been trying to put together a new PC for weeks, after being stuck with apple for the last 6 years. I had totally forgotten K-series chips are wasted on non-Z boards. I was about to buy a B660 board for a 13600K.
I need this for the AMD too. But I was so much into AMD that I don't know about Intel mobos. And the video dropped 30 min ago! What a blessing
I'd love an updated version of this video
The best info here bar none. Detailed info and more then most can handle.
Just wanted to say thank you so much for going over the basics in this video. I haven't built a machine in nearly 10 years and it was really important to hear you spell out the fundamentals like what boards and chips support OC as I try to look at my options for upgrading.
Thanks for interpreting what the differences between each chipset would mean to our systems. I like how he stands with the community in terms of getting the best motherboard configurations for our use, not encouraging the OEMs to add more gimmicky stuff
And I thought choosing between X570 & B550 was tough. 🤯
It isn't tough though. For 99.99% of applications, B550 is plenty. It's still an Unlocked platform, not that AMD's CPUs have that much manual OC head room.
I wonder if part of their business plan is to confuse as many as possible with all the alternatives to just make people buy the Z chipset because it is easiest to know you get everything rather than researching exactly which chipset you need for your use case.
When I was building and fixing computers a lot more than I am now I’d ask the customer what are you trying to do with the machine. If you ask them what they want most just say what’s new? So a lot of people that didn’t need it spent $300 instead of $1k+.
the chipset difference in non z series boards are mostly targeted to OEM-builders where a majority of the other stuff is not needed.
Intel licensing fees are absolutely insane... I know the 12600k is technically faster, but I bought the 5600x purely because it was more efficient, cheaper, and the motherboard was literally a 1/3 the cost of the same quality Intel board.
@@weasle2904 5600x is a slower CPU, so of course it is cheaper. But the 5600x is actually the one that has bad value for money.
In terms of performance, the 5600x is closer to the 12400 than it is to the 12600k. The 12400f is significantly cheaper than the 5600x, and you will pay less for the intel system (CPU + motherboard + ram) than you will for the Ryzen system.
AMD is no longer the budget option like they were in 2017 and 2018. They are no overpriced compared to intel.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior AMD recently reduced their pricing recently, and their motherboards are so much cheaper it's actually a better value to get AMD. Not to mention AMD CPUs are waaaaaaaaaay more efficient
This was such a useful video and it's going to be a great help in picking a motherboard
I love it when yall talk normal but still keep it technical.
Thanks a lot for this. Just setting out to build my first PC so perfect timing too 🤓
Thank you so much for this explainer! I'm currently in the process of getting my things in order to start building a new computer and this was exactly what I needed. Even though I'm looking at 11th gen Intel CPUs, this still mapped perfectly with the chipset numbers I was seeing (Z590, H570, B560, H510). I dare say this wasn't "dumbed down" at all, just "distilled" into the key differences.
H610 seems fine to me if using like i3 and no need of raid , rest stuff is too expensive for budget stuff anyway
I can't find an i3 12th at MSRP
@@MitternachtAngel I bought i3 12100f with h610 mobo gigabyte for 215 dollars . Which has almost the same price for i3 10105f but more expensive for 25-35 bucks , (10105f plus h510 = $175) . Hahhahaha that was a very good deal , and now it's out of stock. The performance of i3 12th from 10th gen is kinda huge.
Yo GN, when you zoom in on specific parts of the graph shown at 4:30, can you not blur the list of specification names in the left column? Maybe zoom that column as well so it stays lined up.
Sure. Thanks, we'll pay more attention to that.
@@GamersNexus when we are having some B660 and H670 motherboards comparisons and benchmarks? I can’t find any videos on UA-cam and the motherboards are already launched.
@@GeekNerdNoir those tests take time to run. Hardware Unboxed does really good ones but they are still working on it. Keep an eye on their channel.
@@GeekNerdNoir Remember that GN benchmarks to the intel spec; meaning any weird mobo settings like 101mhz bclk or unlimited power budget would be ignored. mobos should function identically until you start messing with settings (which most mobo manufacturers already do out-of-the-box). This is probably a main reason why performance tests aren't done at GN... because most mobos are preset to run out-of-manufacturer-spec when you plug them in, meaning it's not a manufacturer benchmark comparison; it's a mobo default settings comparison.
@@GamersNexus maybe making it darker on the ones you want to keep the viewer from being distracted by, blurring can mess with my eyes but thats a me thing so if not or if that messes with some other type of eyes that's fine cause I already enjoy the channel and it would just be a nice to have in my perspective
I see H610 being used in OEM and mid to low end pre-builds.
You should have tagged a few major sites providing specs for all this . It's much easier to see in a long detailed list how this stuff goes together plus the spec sheets are essential .
I waited for this Video
Thx
Hey, could you please make a list of good B660 mobos which have good thermals, VRM etc so we can go for a budget build.
Really looking forward to it!
Love the channel!
Thank you
I think BuildZoid will do this with GN in a future video.
The problem is that most of the B660 boards with good VRMs cost as much as cheapest Z690 boards but still dont have better VRMs than their counterparts.
@@benderbg Not really a problem. You don't need good VRMs on B660 because Alder Lake is much more efficient than Comet/Rocket Lake. You just need VRMs that aren't absolute trash. Anything with a VRM heatsink and at least 3 MOSFETs per phase should be fine for up to an i7-12700.
If you're looking for a cheap B660 motherboard, the Gigabyte B660M DS3H, ASUS Prime B660M-A, and MSI Pro B660M-A all have VRMs that would easily be good enough for an i7-12700. (MSI, why did you change your naming scheme to be basically identical to ASUS?). Prices seem very variable between regions.
You guys are awesome! Thanks for the video
Thank you very much for the video! It's very useful! I like to learn about more basic stuff.
Great, in-depth video as always!
Thanks for that review and advice, too (18:58) :)
Why would a H610 not be enough if used with a 12100 or 12400???
Love this channel ❤️! The details make this my go-to tech channel.
Just what I was looking for before building a new intel 12 gen PC. APPRECIATED
Exactly the info i needed, thank you
I'm thinking about a Z690 build in the near future so this helped! It most re-affirmed what I already knew, I didn't realize B660 was quite as cut down though. Z690 it is!
I went strix z690 gaming A (ddr4), 32gb g-skill 4000cl16, 12600k, samsung 980 evo+, strix 3080ti oc. CPU @ 5ghz, gpu power limit +12% & undervolt (strix already had massive factory power lim so it's around 450W now). My rig smashes my mates 5950x in multi threaded benchmarks and gpu benches better then most 3090's. Thermals are great too. Cost and arm and a leg but I don't regret it.
I got an H610M S2H from gigabyte, and as far as I can tell the only drawbacks are the single m.2 slot (pcie 3.0) and there only are two memory channels. I was surprised to see the 4.0 pcie x16 slot honestly. It was really cheap too, and with two 8gb 3200 mhz ram sticks I don't think I will need more memory slots.
Thats what I was surprised about the gen4 x16, Is it that different than the others, did you notice if it caps the cpu?
Cause I found an itx h610 for 80eur (asrock) and was thinking about upgrading from my z170, to a locked 13th gen i5 or i7...
Cause I already got 32gb 3200 ram and 1tb nvme pcie 3, could save a bit.. was either this or b660, maybe b550
@@dragoljubzdravkovic1737 get a b660, a good one, most boards can handle the good cpus of this generation if you decide to upgrade later... which is the main point of these. right now.
@@TrikipumI've heard the same advice back when 10th gen was released, fast forward 3 years later when i need to upgrade, now people said there's no point upgrading withn 10th gen, go 12th gen instead, so this whole idea of getting better board so that we can upgrade to better cpu down the line become falls apart when i have to change motherboard as well upgrading to 12th gen, though for me i was aiming at best an i5, if one decided to get i7 then there's no point getting a budget board
Thank you THANK YOU for including a few moments of simple, non-electrical-engineering-degree language in this video! The only problem I've ever had with this channel is that you get into the nitty gritty details without summing it all up for the rest of us. Example: I was "today" years old when I found that Intel "K" should be used with Z690 boards. Steve even said "most of you probably know that ." I was like REALLY.
that's usually (kinda) true, because you pay a premium for 'K' which gets you overclocking, as well as a 100 MHz speed boost (which you won't notice). Confusingly it's not true for this generation, because the 12600K is basically an 'i6', because it has more cores than the 12600, and the overclocking support is almost completely incidental to the fact that it's a much better CPU than the 12600, whereas the 11600K was NOT much better than the 11600.
So if you want 10 cores for streaming or programming or whatever, then there's no need to get Z690 if a particular B660 or H670 board meets your need.
You are my new favorite! Truly a well-spoken professional that absolutely knows his stuff, especially relating to board architecture, but without any of the typical tech egomania or useless personal rabble-rant. I just graduated to a Z-690 Alder Lake system with an RTX 3070ti, after a decade of being a die-hard x79 Geekstress, with my wonderful little m-atx Patsburg-Romley PCH powerhouse which was worth every bit it’s weight and then some working for me … it was really hard to say goodbye!
Thrilled to find an awesome new resource, and you are a pleasure to listen to - never once while watching your content do I find myself wishing to God it would just be over! 🤣😁 Thanks Steve!
And remember that Amazon usually never ships Mobos in boxes.
The only way they'll use a box is if you combine it with other items & choose the
the "get your order in fewer boxes" option (which is usually slower)
Thank you this was very helpful.
The timing of this video could not be more perfect for me
Stock of some stuff is still hard to come by, I have a friend who has been wanting to build for a while. He was able to snag a 3080ti FE at MSRP which blew hes budget considering he has a 1080p 240hz monitor and only plays warzone. He can't find a 12600 in stock so is going with a 12600k even though he doesn't plan to overclock. Pairing with a $180 B660 Asus tuf because checks the other boxes. It still has PCIe 5.0 top slot, 2x PCIe 4.0 M.2, etc.
Not a perfect pairing by any means but he's excited to build his first pc.
That is going to be one *monster* of a first pc, despite the mobo being an odd pairing.
The 12600 is a weak choice due to the extra $$$ compared with a 12500 and just a tiny 200 MHz speed bump, so it's probably a good thing he got the much stronger 12600k with the 10 cores
@@thelawnet good to know thanks. At least there are options available and happy to see Intel hitting back against AMD I hope it encourage the choices when they release AM5.
Relatedly I had a request for a video series
A straight forward actual setup guide in bios settings and windows options for the new alder lake CPUs and these newer mobos. As a lot of us have been out of the hardware game for 3 years due to "Incidents" and that is roughly the time frame the Ryzen dominated the charts.
That and 99.9 percent of videos are overclocking guides when most just want to know if they have the baseline setup right in the first place.
KF can be overclock just doesn't have in board graphics
Still wishing for a budget B660 board with BCLK OC support, I wanna shove some celeron and i3 in and just cramp unholy amount of voltage in and overclock them to death in stock cooler.
Same
Given that my 11400 thermal throttled with the boxed cooler, on "Asus default out of the box" settings, I suspect that wouldn't take very much at all. Just enable MCE and run AIDA for 30 seconds.
@@fermitupoupon1754 12th gen stock cooler is substantially better, it can actually handle a 6 core locked CPU at full turbo, I heard 8 core require some undervolt to maintain 100% turbo though.
"My 6Ghz quad-core is enough for gaming"
@@Verpal More like 12th gen is substantially better. Intel finally leaving behind the cursed 14nm++++ Boiling Lake.
Need to add the power phases to the chart as they are all different on each board.
great information, thanks a lot🙏🙏
Very detailed 👍. Even tho most of viewers only needs a few seconds of this video telling them what is appropriate to consider before they buy.
I watched this over 4 times because I was sleepy to listen to everything
Thank you again for the again for the informative vid
Super instructive, thx ! 😀😀
Hello from the future. This video was very helpful because I didn't know what the difference was between Z,H, and B.
While I don't plan to ever overclock I did buy a MSI B760 Gaming Plus WiFi with an I7 12700KF on Cyber Monday.
Though if I watched this sooner I would have gotten a Z board instead since they were on sale then.
Hey @gamers nexus, throughout the video your mic audio was popping. Pretty distracting, but great video
SLI/Crossfire always been hyper confusing, 2022 and still we can't get full hyper-speed on each hyper-PCI-Express connector.
So the extra PCI-E are mostly hyper cut on performance and the extra hyper lanes provided by the CPU are hyper limited.
Who even uses sli now?
are you stuck in the past? sli/crossfire arent supported by amd and nvidia for a while already
H670 + 12900T would be a top of the line setup considering performance, price, cooling and power consumption imo.
Notice that in Z590 block diagram Intel use MHz to describe memory speed but on Z690 they started using mega transfers?
Are you planning on making a video for the Omen 45L case ?
When showing the spec table for H610, in the row for Mem channels/DPC you show h610 as having 2/1, which I'd read as 2 memory channels and 1 DPC
I thought H610 had 1 memory channel and 2 dims for that channel? That's certainly what you said out loud earlier in the video
Nope it's dual channel with 1 dimm per channel
Great video!
Great information to recap just before black friday/ cyber monday deals! Bought i5-12600K/ B660 combo for ($240+$100)to replace my >10 years old i5-2500/H61M. What a great save from 13th gen!
Very helpful, thanks!
excellent explanations
We need an updated version of this video for X700 series chipsets.
Before I dropped an additional 30 pounds (once, well worth it imo) for a PCI-e sound card, I used to stick to the strix B-series boards because they fairly reliably had no/little crosstalk on the analog audio lanes. Something to consider if one does not want to buy a sound card and isn't using a cheap USB headset anyway.
Thanks for this!
I'm glad Steve thinks this video will be understood by new or rusty PC builders. He clearly needs to get out more because most newbs would have been completely lost after his first sentence.
Wait, so what about PCIe 5.0? It's one of the primary selling points of this gen but I don't see it anywhere...
You won't see it any time soon...it was the same with PCIe 4.
Loved the POS, POS system.
I was literally about to buy a B660 for 240. So I'm very happy to have seen this.
Z690 are the same price if not some are cheaper!
Thank you for the great info
But the b660-a rog strix is better for a white PC build. It's the only nice white mobo unless you go for the $380+ z690.
Great coverage of all these crucial specs. Although I found by trawling through a few manuals that you can so be overcloking a K series CPU on the H670 chipsets. For example with the PRIME D4, generally within the BIOS and with the Steel Legend you may attenuate the CPU voltage in the BIOS and use the A-Tuning software in Windows at the least to boost the BCLK frequency.
*overclocking
So folks 100 MHz default base clock to play with and the, "Multiplier", of the CPU gives the total base clock frequency. I must point this out as some folk may think that the BCLK figure is something else.
Some chipsets and BIOS like my AMD X570 Pro4 uses the method of attenuation of the figure for the total base clock speed as I've overclocked my 3900X by 250 MHz from 3.8 GHz base speed to 4.05 GHz which allowed for my Crucial Ballistix Gaming Elite 3600 MHz to be overclocked one more notch by XMP to 3733 MHz. This 3900X overclock I gathered would be possible with a 100 mV CPU cache level boost or 0.1 more Volts.
Thanks Steve!
It was a big help to break this mess of boards with all kinds of features being flashed around on them. There are several logic points of goals that seem to automatically dial up the board to use without much fuss. The only thing I would have like to have at this point is whether to go with DDR 4 half the price of DDR5 and it seems that DDR4 actually is faster until faster DDR 5 is available. So some talk on that decision tree DDR4 or DDR5 and what points between them have relevance to actual real world use. Thanks!
I struggle to find meaning in the lower tier boards....
The amount of money saved on tooling/production by NOT making H610's could easily subsidize the costs of the higher tier boards, resulting in cheaper higher end components.
Plus less e-waste. I get that they want to hit that lower price bracket, but by not making it at all, the B660 could fill that gap with a lower price, and just better hardware for everybody.
So I guess we should get a Z690/H670 to future proof for the PCIE 5.0 x 2 Radeon 8500XT. /sarc
Excellent guide. I don't have any current plans to move off of AMD, but if AM5 doesn't impress, I may look at Intel. This will be my bookmarked video to review if I end up switching back to the blue team. Thanks!
I just finished an Alder Lake build, and it's fantastic. However, I can honestly say AMD's Zen 4 on the new AM5 platform will definitely be better. According to Lisa Su, they're running over 5 GHz on all cores while stable. That's gonna be a game-changer.
I went with Asus B660M TUF D4 WiFi. The Prime version is probably a better deal but stock is hard. Those two are my picks for price/performance!
Same board I went with. It seemed like a lot of hate for the B660 boards in this video.
there's another reason to go for Z690 over the rest, the number of SATA ports
I want to build a home NAS with TrueNAS and the number of SATA ports diminishes with the B, H and Q boards
the other major caveat is PCIe lanes, you'd want one or two 10gbe card, a HBA for future expansion
H670 has the exact same number of possible (will vary by manufacturer) SATA ports. You can always throw a cheap IT mode controller in it and add another 4 or 8 ports.
@@valkaielod on paper, yes
on actual sold mobos ... that's another deal
No offense, but this paper specifications is not much helping unless you test it in real life. I was thinking that you will going to test to show how good is the power delivery and VRM section because that's the most thing matters. This thing you explained can easily be taken out from Google, but how well the performance difference can be seen only when it would be tested. Supposed, I was going to buy i5 12400f but got confused between h610 and b660, so a benchmark test would have clearly shown me the difference, also which brand because I have seen same board performs different depending brand to brand, even if both are H, B or high end Z series.