Intel Core i7-12700K & 12700KF CPU Review, Benchmarks, & Efficiency vs. AMD Ryzen
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Our review of the Intel Core i7-12700K & 12700KF CPUs compares the two, benchmarks them against the AMD Ryzen R7 5800X, R9 5900X, and more. Power vs. 12900K included.
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00:00 - Intel i7-12700K vs. R7 5800X, i5-12600K
02:05 - Intel i7-12700K & KF Differences, Specs, & Price
05:00 - Power Consumption of 12700K vs. 12900K
06:43 - Frequency Validation (All Core & Single Core)
07:36 - Blender CPU Rendering Benchmarks (Best CPU for Cycles)
08:54 - Code Compile CPU Benchmarks for Programming
09:52 - Adobe Premiere Video Editing CPU Benchmarks
10:55 - Adobe Photoshop CPU Tests
11:25 - 7-Zip Compression & Decompression CPU Comparison
12:15 - Hitman 3 CPU Gaming Benchmarks
12:56 - CSGO Best CPU Benchmarks
13:53 - Red Dead Redemption 2 CPU Benchmarks
15:01 - Total War: Three Kingdoms CPU Differences
15:39 - Far Cry 6 & Frametime Testing
17:05 - Cyberpunk 2077 CPU Benchmarks
17:33 - F1 2021 CPU Review
18:13 - Conclusion
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What about the coasters dude?? 😜
E-cores causing problems in DRM protected games and programs, also forcing avx 512 to be disabled, making different cores Is bad idea, reminds Ps3 cell cpu where different cores gave many problems to developers. Intel repeated same mistake. We need to send Intel a message that they need to stick to unified identical cores only in next CPU generation and just make unified cores more power efficient. I suggest everyone to skip 12 gen CPU and stick to 11 gen and let Intel know that e-cores sucks and we don't need them again at 13 gen CPU.
@Windows Alternative for an extra 5-10 frames once you are already at over 170 FPS doesn't seem worthwhile when you are using 20% more power. That's more heat, more fan noise and a shorter life span of your gaming rig. For me performance captures all of those key metrics and not just FPS which is why I would still at this stage stick with AMD.
your lighting is not good as usual
@Windows Alternative You just outed yourself as an Intel fanboy! The sales figures speak a different language. At least in my country. The majority is usually right. And no, pure computational performance or fps is not the only thing to consider. Even as a gamer! What about the upgrade path? Has Intel mentioned anything yet? I think that Intel is the current king is YOUR opinion. You should quickly realize that in life there are people with different opinions than yours. Otherwise you won't get far in life. 🤦♂
And no I'm not an AMD fan boy. In fact I'm considering an upgrade to 12600K from 4790k right now. But the upgradability at AMDs side is just so seductive... Especially with the beginning of a new super cycle like AM5 might be! 🤔
13:03 “Out ranking the 10900K from last generation.” 11th gen really is that unremarkable.
the only thing remarkable from 11th gen is the 11400 and f sku
The 11900k is a waste of sand after all.
11th gen is remarkable, just not in the good way...
@@srquack27 exactly, the 11400 was the best value CPU this year. Next year the 12400 is going to be the same.
It was a waste of sand
"F-SKU" from Intel. Well F-SKU too!
fk!
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F-SKU right back 😂😂
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Can't believe IRL I lol'd at this. Hats off to you sir brilliant.
Those Ecores' qty and speed alone are like 3 times faster than my 2014 laptop.
thats my case to, and they are less power hungry to
Seems... according to someone at Intel, they're equivalent to something like an i5 6600.
@@TheGameBench The fact that I used a 4690k not too long ago and it’s slower than peoples ‘background task’ CPU now. Wild.
@@randocrypto1678 I can see these e cores clocking higher in the next few generations and when that happens we are going to see massive gains....hopefully
@@TheGameBench they said Skylake core but didn't specify more. It's probably closer to 8th or 9th gen skylake i5 core. They're more efficient.
Kinda nice seeing the head to head competition again hopefully, there will never be another Bulldozer situation for the rest of history.
Competition is good for everyone. Except for forum moderators that have to deal with the fanboy wars.
or 14++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
@@robihr ^ forum moderators worst nightmare.
@@twiggsherman3641 lmfao true
@@robihr Skylake4ever
12700KF is definitely on my radar for gaming but given i'm likely not going to build a PC until maybe Mid--2022 i'm still likely to hold of to see what AMD does. But i love times like this with new tech coming out, it's all exciting and has me wanting to build a PC again, especially when my current one is a 6 year old 6600k rig.
Same, im waiting to see what amd got and a little more until the next gpus come out. May god save our wallets.
6700k/980 ti here. I'll be excited when $700 gets you the TI card that's bested only by the Titan again.
By the time you wait for AMDs next gen, raptor lake will be out 2 to 3 months later
@@stormchasingk9 You're gonna take that $700 dollars, buy a 5050ti and like it, or else.
- Nvidia Exec swimming in money
I'm pretty sure ryzens next big-little architecture would be more efficient, assuming they will have something like that. But there's a lot to consider when buying, like we still have RAM compatibility issues on ryzen, who knows what further problems ddr5 will bring. I've never had a common mobo issue with every intel system I've had.
For strictly 4k video editing on premiere pro should I go for 12700k or cut cost and go for 12600k. Is spending extra worth it? Please let me know, thanks🙏🏼
you might want to look for 12700 non K variant. It cost very close to 12600K and it's just better performer with 2 more cores and a lot more cache. OC doesnt really matter for alderlake.
Thanks. Great review as always you’re now the gold standard for reviews of this type and I recommend your vids to everyone.
When you do iGPU testing, I'd love to see DDR4 vs DDR5 testing. iGPUs are one of the few places where the massive bandwidth of DDR5 makes a lot of sense right now, but I'm not sure that the anemic 32 EU iGPU included in the K series Alder Lake parts really has enough horsepower for the advantage to show up.
What I find amazing is that Intel opted to stick the 96 EU iGPUs in _laptops._
@@sonicboy678 who is more likely to need an igpu? a desktop with unlimited power and cooling or a laptop that needs to be x mm thick?
@@gunterreich2535 A majority of desktop computers rely on integrated graphics. The more powerful they can be made, the better for consumers. Also, there’s that pesky GPU shortage, so if someone has to make a due without a GPU, finding the fastest iGPU is in their best interest.
@@sonicboy678 because laptops are famous for having dedicated GPUs? Makes sense to give more attention to the weakest part
@@gunterreich2535 both , intel spend tons of transistor on the video engine and IGP for doing encode decode / machine learning / VNNI / DLboost etc , all of them will affect hardware accelerated workload (e.g. adobe , gigapixel AI stuff) and intel like to put about 15 pages powerpoint saying these benchmarks intel have the high ground compare to APPLE M1 and AMD . adding accretor is the future instead of using x86/ARM core to do the work
The 12700K looks better than the 12900K in terms of price to performance and also power consumption
12900k isnt worth it
@@isucktrustme8672 intel’s best is really in the i5
Another great review, Steve! Keep up the good work
iGP reveiws would be very helpful. Especially comparing Intel's iGPs, AMD's APUs, and where they sit relative to entry-level GPUs. GPUs are so hard to buy and expensive right now; would like to know if it's reasonable to just buy an APU / CPU w/ iGP for now, and get a dGPU later when prices come down.
if you still have any dGPU from the past 8 years, odds are it'll be better than the iGPU
That said, iGPUs are great for redundancy & troubleshooting. If anything happens to your GPU, you can still drive the display
@@InnuendoXP first time builders likely don’t have a gpu just lying around to use. Some gpus are also eol with no more driver support, and with a new version of windows out, older drivers may have compatibility issues. In the current market, igpus should be be considered more.
@@Biwa_Hayahide Nobody concerned with compatability issues should be upgrading to a new version of Windows within the first year of its life.
Sure 1st time builders should absolutely stick with the iGPU & play some CS:GO at 720p or something until the market returns to sanity. But for anyone else, if you intend to game on an iGPU, just set your expectations accordingly. The Steamdeck will have a state of the art APU not yet available to desktop users & it's lucky to trade blows with the base Xbox One.
Considering the current gpu pricing debacle scenario. The 5600g and 5700g are the stop gap apu solution. Intel igpu don't hold a candle. 1030 is the sad gpu alternative but viable when compared to the amd apu options.
I'm really surprised no one has done this yet. Would be great if GN or HUB looked into it.
I was supposed to be in the process of building a 5900x video editing rig, but now I am leaning towards the 12 700k because my local micro center has them for $399. Thanks for the helpful review as always!
Wait for ryzen 6000, it may surpass intel's efforts.
The new Alder Lake CPU's are making things exciting again, great job with these review video's Steve! I'm also hoping that this next year when Intel releases their new Xe HPG video cards, that it will help bring some normalcy back to the GPU market! And I LOVE the new studio/office setup, it looks great; Can't wait to see your new studio tour video's when you release them Steve! :)
These are exciting times. Already on Ryzen 5900X but stoked about Intel actually putting up a fight. Dont want AMD to become another Intel from the past. More power to the consumer! I feel the 12700K is a great gaming CPU for the pricing.
i havent been looking at AMD for a very long time, ever since they won the fight their pricing has been ridiculously overpriced far worse than when Intel was monopolizing
It's a good price but the mobo prices 😶
@@nismo927 ddr4 boards price looks normal, just forget about ddr5, nobody needs that
Putting up a fight ,,, you twit ,,, Vastly superior platform ..... AMD was ahead for ONE generation in the last THREE DECADES and the AMD shills just keep up the bull-twang
Could you test 7 zip with different dictionary sizes than 32MB? That's just the right size for it to fit in AMD L3 cache and not fit in intels. There's a wide range from 2MB up to 1GB dict size that 7zip supports in it's test and it may be interesting to see what will happen with different sizes over that range (ie "normal compression uses 16MB while ultra uses 64MB)
I think it might be better to publish why they settled on 32MB for dictionary size. How does that affect final compression performance relative to other options?
They really did well with the 12700, it seems to be the best all around CPU from intel this round. Can't wait to see what Ryzen 6000 with be like.
Yes, if AMD manage to continue on the same track as previous Ryzen generations, we can expect a significant uplift in performance.
It will also be very interesting to se what AMD have with these new Ryzen 5000 with the added cache memory, will they be able to push past Intel's new 12th generation, and can they sell them at a competitive price.
If you always wait what future releases will bring, you never appreciate what todays tech gives.
@@obsprisma Yes exactly, bring on the high power and heat and better A/C.
@@obsprisma That is true but with this release I feel it's a bit justified to wait a few months, only the top motherboard chipset is released yet, you can use DDR4 but now when it is a thing I would like to go with DDR5 but those are very scarce right now, you can use Windows 10 and it works well in most cases but this platform is aimed to use Win 11 and that is buggy as hell for now.
Seen a number of reports from people that can't get any image from their GPU's on this new platform, I suspect it is a UEFI (BIOS) bug.
All this considered I feel I will wait something like 4-6 months before I make a decision to upgrade or not.
But that's just me, I don't say there's any wrong way whichever route someone go, just what feels right for me right now.
@@obsprisma Once you start examining the specific performance and features of a given, new CPU generation from any chip maker, the adage of "doesn't matter, or ...there is very little reason to wait, because something better is always around the corner"... kind of goes out the window for many people, in my estimation.
Zen 4 could be a perfect example. There could be a sizeable amount of people who want the features and performance Zen 4 MAY bring, that is not able to be found elsewhere, and thus, worth the wait for some people.
Power efficiency that is better than Alder Lake, better than raptor Lake, and better than Zed 3 v-cache, especially in the non flagship level CPU of that lineup. Zen 4 mid range CPUs will be sought after by gamers, and by gamers who like having more power efficient CPUs than the other comparable options of the day.
Performance roughly on par with Raptor Lake, in terms of gaming performance. Or at least, better than Zen 3 by over 15%. This performance level can be seen as a good place to pause for a decade, because of the high frame rates we are already getting with these CPUs and even more so by Zen 4 era, and because of the next feature....
Performance, in terms of the PCIe 4.0 or 5.0 bus. If Zen 4 has PCIe 5.0, then that will be seen as something that protects your investment for along long time. a Zen 4 CPU, with a GPu upgrade every 4 years is a great way to stay on top of gaming performance. In 2028, a fully saturated PCIe 5.0 slot with a power efficient and fast GPU, will quite the complement to a Zen 4 CPU, which at that point will have been serving the user well for 6 years or so. ( and was potentially as of this writing anyways, the most power efficient mid range gaming CPU available in 2024, with performance that was indistinguishable from all other gaming CPUs available in 2022, possibly even the flag ship CPUs of that year )
Wondering where a 12700KF with E cores turned off would end up sitting on the overall performance ladder, while avoiding the hybrid scheduling problems hopefully
been waiting for this video to finally make my decision - thanks gn team!
Eager for some cooler reviews/recommendations for the 12 series, and if upgrade kits are adequate, or if we'll need a new generation/shape
today I got a deal on amazon for the i7 12700 kf for 199 USD ill pair it with a rtx 4070
if the price difference is just like 20-30 bucks, one big advantage of having an iGPU, performance-aside, is for redundancy & helping with troubleshooting.
I'm still pushing an ancient 4690K & an old GTX 970, having the iGPU helped me with the process of troubleshooting my hardware issues that came down to a faulty DP cable, and in the meantime I still had a functional PC for work even with the GPU apparently out of action. Also good enough to play some indies in the meantime.
I had almost the exact same problem AFTER upgrading away from my old 4690k, and no iGPU makes things a lot more tedious. Especially when the CMOS is underneath the graphics card!
@@AlisterCountel and a lot more nerve-wracking in the current market. If GPU prices were actually sane right now & I had no iGPU honestly that might've pushed me into upgrading sooner than I'm ready for.
It's also a shame AMD's Zen3 lineup compromises their 'G' products CPU performance so harshly.
same here brother...
I have a 4679K and a gtx 1080
Yeah this is why I bought myself a cheap $50 GPU along with my 3600X, just for troubleshooting. Back then I thought $50 was a lot for that, boy how times have changed.
I always buy the IGPU chips and for the small difference I reckon it's worth it. Nice to build your system and get the BIOS updated and test it out properly before you start adding a GPU into the mix.
Thanks, your videos really help m,e to understand many things
Amazing review. Just what I needed. Thanks for the great work. 10/10.
I found the bit @16:20 about AMD 5800X having less stutter very interesting. I also recall when Ryzen 1800X first came out, reviewers actually noticed this, despite it didn't show in the tests. As I recall, that was the reason 0.1% was included in tests by several reviewers. Seems like that bit is still relevant.
Brain dysfunction caused by AMD soyboy thinking
It would be very helpful to publish CPU temperatures in addition to power draw. Heat distribution across the die can affect how well the CPU can be cooled so power draw is not an accurate index of how easy or hard it would be to cool a CPU.
I think Other-Steve from Hardware Unboxed included a SINGLE temp reading using a 240MM AIO of 72° on a 12600K - It makes no sense how little information we've seen about temps.
Steve, have your data science team considered showing 3D charts, where the Z axis would be time aka, previous generation CPUs back say 5 years. Just a thought, as sometimes we lose the value proportion between the actual $/FPS.
So we'll get a long time usage review down the line, nice. Means there might be some way to put benchmarks in perspective later on down the line 😀
F SKU almost made me wake up everyone else with laughter
It hits you when you least expect it lol
If I bought T-Shirts, I'd consider buying a F-SKU t-shirt
F-SKU-se me, sir, la noi in Romania cea de toate zilele, daca la americani costul mediu va fi de ~600$, la noi EMAG va tranti o mega oferta in jur de 900-1000 Euro. Taxele vamale ne omoara tot avantul.
That was great bwhahahaha
frumoasa poveste bro
I feel the only thing that really kills the value is the insane price of buying into a new mobo platform that, at least where I live, costs 2X as much as b450/b550 and early DDR5 memory that probably won't be all that great 3 or 4 years down the line.
Definitely great to see Intel's silicon improve, but unfortunately buying their CPUs isn't as much of a no-brainer as it could be. At least it means that AMD's pricing will probably come down lol.
Intel only released Z690 chipset. Cheaper chipsets are certainly to come, likely at the same time cheaper, non K SKUs also launch.
Was at my local Microcenter 2 days ago and saw the 5800X for 299.99 I couldn't believe it lol. Funny cuz the 5600X was selling for $269.99 making the 5800X a no brainer for only $30 more. But the 5900X was 499.99 which is also really nice. Now is the time for all my Ryzen buddies to upgrade.
If you're a new pc builder, you're not spending much more, and the i5 and i7 by themselves are a better value. just stay far away from the DDR5 boards.
If you need the super high end boards, I guess you have no choice but to use DDR5 _(for now)._ If someone's been running Haswell like I have, upgrading to Alder Lake over Zen 3 is a no brainer.
really not much more using ddr4, and you're on a new socket with years of support. b660 and more ddr4 z690 should be coming soon too. AM4 is almost obsolete.
Yeah I just checked my local area....the cheapest LGA1700 board is three times more expensive than the cheapest AM4 board. The cheapest LGA1700 board is double the price of what I typically spend on a mobo. That's a lot of hidden cost.
I'm hoping that since AMD has caused Intel to change certain things, that they will still enable OC/disabling power limitations on their B660 boards. They can easily save money with no HDMI 2.1 support, VRM's not needed for the 12900k, less PCIe 4.0, less USB gen 2 2x2 support, etc.
I only need 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes and 8 PCIe 3.0 lanes (although I will take 16) and USB 3.1 gen 1. So here's to hoping for boards with only that that can still drive the 12700k at full power.
I just love watching these charts at 4k60fps. Oh, and Steve's facial expressions.
I'm really curious about compatibility. Will these new architecture CPUs run with my GOG library of old games? Older Steam games?
great video as usual!
so glad i bought the 5800x, that power usage vs performance is amazing
Have you seen the benchmarks for the new 5800x3d? Up to a 50 fps increase in 1% lows compared to the 5800x for 100$ more
You guys are probably already working on this but I'll mention it anyway.
Adding light and idle load power consumption into the test suite for Alder Lake (windows 10 & 11), would really show how efficient those E cores really are. And it would useful for the real world, since not everyone is running their system at full tilt all the time, efficiency can lead to lower operating costs etc... although full tilt they might consume more power, if they reduce that power draw while doing light tasks, overall power consumption might be better for Intel.
Also it will be great to see power draw from different scenarios like gaming or Adobe.
@@Kaygoooo I've seen them do gaming power tests once or twice. The difference between power draw during gaming between different CPUs is really marginal compared to how much juice your GPU would be drawing anyway. Most CPUs, i5, i9, Ryzen 5s, Ryzen 9s were all around the same ballpark, although I am unable to find the video in which they showed it at this moment.
It doesn't make a meaningful difference. Anandtech has done per-core power draw of CPUs, links at the bottom.
Loading 3 cores of the 5800X should give you a power draw of around 71W. Assuming 10 hours per day, every day, and 10 cents per kW/h, you're looking at a yearly cost of around $26.
Loading all 8 efficiency cores of the 12900K draws around 48W. Using the same assumptions you're looking at a yearly cost of around $18.
Idling the 5800X uses around 12W. That works out to around $4 yearly.
Idling the 12900K uses around 5W. That works out to around $2 yearly.
Would this matter if you were deploying umpteen thousands of computers? Absolutely. Does it matter for the average home user? Absolutely not. Even worst case scenario, with the CPU hammered for those 10 hours per day, that's 131W for the 5800X and 259W for the 12900K, that's still only $48 and $95 respectively. The biggest difference is only $4/mo.
www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested/8
www.anandtech.com/show/17047/the-intel-12th-gen-core-i912900k-review-hybrid-performance-brings-hybrid-complexity/4
@@BobBobson This is a good result for these hybrid CPUs
Looking at the data they might be 30-50% more efficient doing the same light task or idling.
Maybe I shouldn't have led with operating costs but lower power consumption has other benefits as well. Being better for the environment and if they can scale this down well, giving better battery life for mobile devices. A lot of the world's power consumption today is from computing devices and of we can reduce it with Hybrid architectures that's a win.
Effects the response times, really isnt worth it in my opinion keep this tech for industry embedded solutions..
Gamers care about response speeds and overclocking
Super looking forward to the efficiency results!
Yes, me too. It’s in the title, but alas nothing more than some power consumption figures.
Glad to see this, just customized and bought a pre-built with this CPU. Great video!
Right behind you bud
just bought one from Newegg sale for $215.00
Best i7 of all time at this point.
SUMMARY
18:22
"Far more competitive than anything Intel's launched recently."
Thanks Steve
Back to you Steve
Amazing review, thank you!
Diminishing returns is the phrase you’re looking for I think. Great work, nobody does it better. Thanks Steve and all at GN!
For iGPU, I would like to see it used in low graphical intensive applications like web browsing, MS office like Excel and word, video, and so on. Then use the GPU for more graphical intensive task. I would think the whole PC would use less power that way and give a decent reason to put an iGPU on a CPU other than off time of trouble shooting to see if the GPU is dead.
So a CPU without igp is incapable to even output desktop? What about command line? They can’t output anything?
@cat -.- if you have a CPU that doesn't have an igpu built in it, you don't even get a picture out of it. If you want some sort of picture out of a computer that doesn't have an igpu and gpu, you would have to connect to that computer using remote access or web interface if you make it a server. Even then, setting up the PC requires some sort of gpu. After the setup, you can remove the gpu. That is what I did with my NAS.
The wait for the B660 boards from Intel still continues...
Interested on the non-K SKUs too. Sure the 12900k is a beast of a cpu but..... How good/efficient will be that same cpu when it's locked and chained to a 65w tdp.
And how good will it be when you remove said power limits?
@@GrimpakTheMook You know you can buy a K and just not OC it? If you buy a non-K, it doesn't change the boost by much, if anything, and certainly will not make a 12900K into a 65W chip. You could downclock it AND disable the boost but for that you'd want it unlocked.......
@@natmarelnam4871 it's more of seeing how far you can pull performance/watt with non-k parts. While it's a bit raw yet, and very incomplete, I'm actually getting interesting results in a 11900f without power limits vs stock 11700k, at around 180w, and I still think that I can somewhat improve results further.
It is very synthetic atm tho and I might become doing something wrong but, at the time I even got it for less than the 11700k.
Thanks. Your Videos on the 11700k and the 12700k were very instructive for me.
You could test gaming and running a secondary program like OBS etc. to see where the E-cores really come into place other than just extra help in games. You might not even be loading up the E-cores in gaming apps.
It's been a very interesting release, but I'm waiting to see what Raptor Lake and Zen4 will have to offer on more-mature DDR5 platforms! Though I must say, a 5800x for $300 is actually quite a great deal.
I will say, even after seeing what Alder Lake can do, that I have zero buyers remorse for my 5800X, even at the $395 I paid for it back in May. One of the main reasons I bought it was to see if it could get RPCS3 playing Gran Turismo 5/6 at a locked 60 FPS. Amazingly, it does it, although PBO/Curve Optimizer and 4x8GB of 3733MHz CL14 RAM was a key factor in that. Everything else I've thrown at it on top of that, it just chews through it. In my 20+ years of building, every time I've bought a CPU there was always some application that made me think "I wish it was a little bit faster." The 5800X has been the first CPU where I'm like "damn, this thing just keeps delivering on all fronts and continues failing to disappoint." $300 for a 5800X is a killer deal, use the money you save on not buying overpriced DDR5 for a better GPU and the 5800X will be PLENTY for years. Yes, Alder Lake is a monster, but believe me, so is Zen 3.
@@K31TH3R what Ram do you use?
@@dafaqu694 One set of 3200MHz binned Samsung B-Die, and one set of 3600MHz binned Samsung B-die, both G.Skill Ripjaws V kits. Bought the 3200MHz kit 2.5 years ago for $105, and the 3600MHz kit 1.5 years ago on sale for $118. You don't really need B-die though, you can get nearly the same results (maybe -2%) with Hynix DJR modules. The G.Skill Ripjaws V 3600MHz GVKC kit is Hynix DJR, and those will run 3800MHz CL16, and you can get 4x8GB of that for around $185 which is really good bang for the buck.
It's an amazing deal if you need a system today I agree, though it does also mean you will be limiting yourself to EOL DDR4 and PCIe Gen 4 (which honestly, that one is not going to be much of a handicap for a long time), not much path for future upgradability if you go that route.
@@catlikehana Yes but I was specifically talking about pros and cons of going for the 5800X pricedrop. Also, we can't say for sure what the difference in performance will be until it's been released and tested.
I'm upgrading from 4770k to 12700k. I'm planning on using my semi-new Cooler Master ML240R AIO with the 12700k with an LGA 1700 bracket and was concerned about the temps. So I'd very much appreciate if you guys do some temperature tests of the Alder Lake with a cooler made for previous gen sockets..
@@plop31 ... First of all, can't afford a new AIO (360mm on top of that) since I have to buy a MoBo as well as RAM kits. Also my current AIO isn't shitty at all. And I have no plan on OCing, also I'm avoiding F series cause then it'll be very hard to troubleshoot if I were to check any faulty GPU's and/or if I need to use the integrated graphics while I buy or wait for a new GPU.
Thanks for your suggestions anyways :)
@@MehediHassanShaon ... the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 is the same price as most 240's with all the fancy RGB, homie.
@@twiggsherman3641 Well, homie!! as I mentioned, I can't afford another Cooler right now and also Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360 isn't available in our country, no one (Distributers) sells it here.
@@MehediHassanShaon well homie, move to a better country. Problem solved. :D
The T-square in the background brought back memories of Drafting class from uni haha.
Great review like always
No covering up or windows 11 only benchmarks 👍
Love the channel. Been subbed a long time, The content is great as always, but as a fellow video professional, please get some softer lighting.
Subbed since 140k here and 49k in Hardware Unboxed. Lol look how many sub they have now :)
Some nice RGB,maybe,pulse and breathe!?😆
The fact that your MT workload frequency isn't constant suggests power limit throttling (could also be thermal but I'm assuming your cooling is adequate); so maybe the motherboard settings are different between the 12900K and 12700K. Intel PL1/PL2/PBP/MTP strikes again.
What happens when something like the 5090 ti comes out. And the processor has to utilize the E-cores in some instances?
You seemed to be looking for the term "Diminishing returns" when describing the price/performance falloff for the 12900K. I think that term explains your point pretty well.
The 12700k might be the best cpu launch in a long time, not only for intel, in general I think it is a milestone in technology.
I think it is being underestimated just because recent history has taught us that the 'middle' cpus are not worth it.
This one is the exception.
Not sure why. It's fighting for parity with the Ryzen 5k series while costing significantly more as a package (higher mobo/RAM prices). It's novel, but not nearly a great CPU launch. This isn't a Ryzen upset by a long shot.
Intel fan boys are so disconmected from reality . No shelfs are sold out of the 12900k yet when ryzen 5000 series came out it was sold out everywhere hell its still kinda sold out in most places even a year later .
Walk in to best buy 100s of 12th gen intel for sale walk in to microcenter 100s of intel for sale how is this revolutionary they probably only sold a few 12th gen cpus and amd has sold over 8.3billion 5000 series cpu
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude ironic
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude lmao 8.3 billion CPUs you really are delusional
@@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude so they sold more than the population of the planet? GTFOH
A new cpu of gpu release is always fun. Thanks for the video review!
Hey Steve, based on the prices during BF events - 5800X at $340 vs. 12700K at $419 (on Amazon) (11/26/2021); a price difference of about $79 and not worrying about cost of components (mem, mb, etc.) I do have dedicated 3080Ti GPU - I don't have microcenter where I live. For CPU-bound games, what would you recommend out of two? For GPU-bound games, what you recommend? Or do you think it makes sense to just save over $100 and go with 12600K? Def 5600x would no longer considered a buy at this time anyways.
You know I’m really looking forward to some seeing how the efficient cores work. What I love about my Mac mini (intel) is how little power it uses to do the same work as much more power hungry PCs. For example does 12th gen make a good low power but with power on demand home server cpu?
Could you provide some more data?
I would like to compare this with my Mac.
I'm really liking the cpu war these latest generations. It's reminding me of the old fight between amd and intel. Hopefully it lasts a while.
Good review steve👍👍👍
Could we also get a energy consumption comparison (time*power) in the future, which is really useful for comparing efficiency?
Exactly, I've been looking for this kind of info a lot lately
I feel like 12700k with power limits extended would be a lot closer in these benchmarks.
As someone who payed $450 at launch for his 5800X (and doesn’t regret it), the thought of it being sold at $330 is an incredible deal.
i just bought it at 300 Euro in Netherlands lol waited for the deal for a long time
Man, definetly the Ryzen 5 5600X sucks.
Now it's overshadowed by two 8 core CPUs, Core i7-10700K and Ryzen 7 5800X.
Why AMD priced the 5600X higher than $300 MSRP?
Why?
It's the 11900K of Zen 3, dumb product.
The 12700 is only $20 more right now Micro Center. I'm in the store looking at it thinking about how I have a 10850 k that I can sell for almost the same amount. I don't know why I'm debating that much
I paid 350 and got a free motherboard 😂
Just over a year later just bought my 5800x for 249$US new lol
What cooler could you guys advise me for the 12700K ? Is a air cooler sufficient ? Examples of good models ?
Awesome video thank you for this! I'm building a PC for my media/ design and video work and have been looking at this specific processor. I dont need top of the line but need something durable and reliable for 4k video and general digital media. - are there any other processors I should be looking at?
Here in the German speaking EU region (Austria, Germany) you can get the 12900K for a cheap 700 Euros (812 USD). Motherboards that can actually properly drive it go around 300-500 Euros (350- 580 USD) and DDR5 is out of stock everywhere but would go for around 340-400 Euros (400-465 USD) for 32 GB CL38 5200. So worst case you pay around 1600 Euros (1855 USD) for CPU+MB+RAM which is fucking ridiculous. If you add possible extra cost for a new PSU and a better CPU Cooler you land at around 2000 Euros (2320 USD). I don't call that competing on price.
Ouch $2300 US would build me an entire Ryzn based pc including a decent graphics card
12700K goes around 500 Euros and 12600K for around 330 Euros. Also not super competitive but the overall price goes way down at least because you can use cheaper motherboards without issue, save money on DDR5 and do not need a new PSU or cooling solution.
Yeah its actually kinda crazy. Well at least in my case i did astonishing upgrade from old PC (plus i really need new one) and manget to get the minimum for i5-12600k & DDR5 just with 1000 EUros.
Its still a lot but i think it might be worth it as who knows what happans with prices and DDR5 stock.
In comparison I recently upgraded my system from a 8700k to a 5950x (I use my desktop for work, for gaming I would've gone with the 5900x). I just upgraded CPU and motherboard (ASUS Crosshair VIII Hero) as my PSU, RAM and trusty NH-D15 were absolutely up for the job. Total cost 1220 Euros.
Love how Steve never gets bored of the "F skew from Intel" joke. 😂
I miss living near a MircoCenter. I check GPU and CPU pricing just about daily still. I am enjoying below MRSP pricing for Zen 3, 10th, 11th, and 12th gen Intel.
Looking forward to some igpu testing.
Yayyyy. Moar gamers Nexus!
when testing power efficiency (performance per watt) also take the duration of productive runs, like cpu x needs 100 watt-hours for task y. and please also test money efficiency (performance per dollar) at msrp/best price at a certain time/average price and please not just the cpu but instead the total platform (mainboard, ddr4/5, psu)!
The performance uplift on Intel CPUs with this generation is quite nice!
Hopefully that means that AMD will drop their prices.
Probably not, considering an AMD cpu+motherboard combo is still cheaper than an Intel cpu+motherboard combo
Hi Steve, did you guys Not do the HW News recap of the week this time ? I cant find it.
22:30 another case for an iGPU is to connect a second extra cheap 2nd hand monitor, as the iGPU's usually have a DVI or a VGA port that a modern GPU does not. You can get an adapter, sure, but where is the fun in that?
Have fun finding a mobo with those connections nowadays. I have two old monitors that are vga only and no way to use unless I get out the old r7 240.
Gotta love that you won’t really get a bad product whichever platform you go with today.
Well according to r/AMD there's only one choice, and if you don't pick it, you're a fanboy.
It's not just raw performance now, there's a lot to look at when buying, both of them provide exclusive advantages.
Reddit breeds hiveminds anyways. Soon people in that subreddit will be praising AMD for being what Intel used to be criticized for (pricing crazy high because they think they're the premium brand when they're not).
@@twiggsherman3641 Don't try and say only one side does this, all 3 have faneboys who do this
Its more than plattform war, need too go in deep, amd.or.intel, you need to buy the ringt ones
I’m really enjoying my 12700KF with 6700XT. Upgraded from 4770s and R9 290. Night and day difference gaming.
@GN: great review, as always!!! So the real question for me now ... "is it time to retire my 8700k@4,8GHz ?"
Good video my bro keep up good work
Micro Center has the 12700K for $399, just picked one up for my latest build. Great value.
320$ would be a great value
@@BBWahoo not exactly 320, but I got it for 350 at microcenter a month ago-ish
@@Gary_Sherman
God DAMN!!!
@@Gary_Sherman I drove 4 hours round trip to my closest MC to get a 12700k for $300 with a new customer discount. Couldn't pass it up!
on amazon rightnow for 320 bout to grab one
It seems to be a 3+ variable equation. For homebodies, it can be a simple choice but if you are commercial, 2000 Alderlakes may farq your energy budget. Smart CFO/CIO management teams must choose AMD's efficiency over INTELS' speediness.
That's a watt of good, useful information! Thanks ;)
You guys should do some streaming benchmarks or even just recording with current hardware. Im surprised how well my 10700k and 3080ti can record 4K 120hz with HDR in shadowplay using HEVC as I'm almost maxig out my refresh range the whole time in Warzone without using DLSS mostly on high..
I see stremers with my GPU getting lower FPS streaming at 1440p when using AMD CPU's so it be good to know how they stack up.
"F SKU" isn't as bad as Macs running "Max" CPUs, but it is a funny poor naming strategy.
It's the poor-man's "K"
I am still wondering how much more efficient are intel e core when compared to amd regular cores. On single core basis both in performance and power usage basis.
Please do a DDR4 vs DDR5 comparison the new CPUs. Keep up the great work.
Steve please tell me the benchmarks are coming in for Alderlakes graphics. It's been so, well nebulous to get any info about them. With no graphics cards to be had some need to know if it will tide them over till something becomes available.
I feel good about my choice going with this one! Good to see power consumption isn’t as ludicrous as the flagship.
Damn. The conclusion here kinda sounds like this product gets Steve a little excited by this product. I kinda agree. I'm really considering upgrading to this, from a 9900k
I upgraded to this from a 9900KS and it's good. Noticeably better frame consistency on 1440p 240hz!
In the end, due to motherboard costs and the requirement of a pricier cooler, it might as well cost more than AMD's counterpart
I would say, that 9900k is still good
9900k upgrade would be pointless strictly for gaming unless you play 1080p 360hz. It would probably be best to upgrade to whatever comes out 13th generation when E-core support is mostly in place and there are less bugs with games and apps and DDR5 matures somewhat.
yeah good stuff, I was gonna buy this one since they leaked the product names a few months ago, I'm gonna overclock it to match the i9 frequencies just for the hell of it.
What is the efficiency number look like if you clocked the 12900k like the 12700k, what's the binning look like? Can you recover the efficiency (or hopefully better) than the 12700k if the (presumably better binned silicon) and lower voltages
Just curious why there is a can of WD-40 on the backdrop? I can think of no reason whatsoever to have that within 40 Km of a circuit board.
We just don't talk about what Steve do when the camera is turned off. 😄
Good ole can of WD-40,great for bringing your computer case surface back to new again!😀🎆
I really want them to release a hedt sku with a few P-cores (4 to 8) and a whack ton of E-cores. Would be nice for virtualization
you mean 8+64?
It would be nice to see some full platform price tags, including 12900+ddr4, 12700+ddr5, since there is a big premium in price for ddr5, maybe comparing with AMD using both x570 and B550 chipsets, also using at least 2 price tiers for ddr5
it would be great to see that kind of comparison, since we can get some great ddr4 far cheaper than normal ddr5
no need for a full review on that, but maybe a few useful benchmarks, like ones that have a big advantage for intel, in special to know how much it is worth to invest for those that benefits of that
For future tests, it would be great to have energy consumption for production tests (considering test duration and power used on that) and avg power on x minutes of gaming
Agreed. This seems really polyannish. The power requirements are extreme. More like Bulldozer than they would like to admit.
What do you suggest a motherboard and fan cooling for 12700k ?
iGPUs are fairly important for people who want to build a professional rig at a budget, without discrete GPUs. Not all professional workloads are like Machine Learning or block-chain mining... requiring GPUs/GPGPUs.
I am one of them, so is a few of my teammates at work, my personal rig does not have a graphics card. Yet it had 32 gigs of RAM and 3 SSDs around 4 years ago.
If I was to build a rig now, I'd be looking at these new Intel CPUs or AMD 5900x (will add a sub-$50 gpu). Even the 8-core 5700G will probably cover my current requirements. If I can couple that with gen-4 SSDs and 64 GB ram, I have a machine that will run a whole load of virtual machines with high utilisation software running. I hope AMD will be releasing APUs with higher core count than 8.
iGPUs are a godsend for pro audio builds. No DAW needs a good GPU, and it drives the cost down significantly. The 10700(K) was a phenomenal pro audio CPU. It was truly a shame the Ryzen APUs felt a bit gimped.
@@jakacresnar5855 What about the 5700G seems gimped to you?
@@MadClowdz well considering it only came out a few months ago and the 10700k came out in 2020, I think it not existing when he needed to build his rig is what made the AMD APUs feel "gimped"
Don't bet on it. Hell, at this point, AMD is _still_ using monolithic dies for APUs, which is part of the reason why they have half the L3 cache.
Doubt we'll see AMD with more than 8 cores any time soon. Why don't you just buy this....
I sorta can't wait for AMD's response to these CPUs. Prices for Zen 3 are already significantly reduced (I saw 5800X going for $299 this week at Microcenter). As an AMD fan, I love that Intel finally made a CPU generation that beats AMD. It's healthy for the market. Better products, faster development, and cheaper prices. It's only good for the consumer.
What do you mean finally? Literally the only series that was faster than Intel was the Ryzen 5000 series which is the latest series... and the difference between 10/11th gen and ryzen 5000 is smaller than the jump from ryzen 5000 to intel 12th gen.
Capitalism sure is amazing!
Just ordered a 5800x for 250$US and of course the 5800x3d comes out for 100$ more but up to 50 more fps in 1% lows in a ton of games compared to the regular x lol
This is an exciting time for CPUs!
Someone ought to create a benchmark that simply cycles through all of the cpu instructions one at a time, looped, in order. and return the results for each instruction.
I like how Intel skipped 11th gen and went from 10th to 12th 😍
Alder Lake pricing looked promising but then I looked at the prices of motherboards at my retailer and I noped the hell out of there. Meanwhile there are years old dirt cheap B450 motherboards that can run a 5950X at full power without even overheating the VRM.
Yeah, if you can afford a 5950x, you pair it with a trash pcie 3.0 mobo with pcie 2.0 chipset so not only your gpu is bottlenecked but also you pcie ssds. Oh no, you must be an amd fanboi, sorry, didn't know the condition was pathological.
Yeah nobody seems to consider that after looking at the benchmarks even though everyone does mention how expensive everything is.
You can't run a 5950X at its peak performance on a B450 board. Stop sniffing glue.
I agree new z690 boards are still too expensive, but comparing the new z690 boards are far, far higher quality then those lower tier b450 boards, dumb comparison.
Most B450 in the market cant really handle a 3800x without melting the vrm... dont mention 5950x lol. This is kinda it is possible but doesnt mean you should. Playing basketball on heels is what i would use as an analogy.
GN please cover the iGPU perf under ddr4 and ddr5, I've heard ddr5 might have a large impact there (though still underwhelming compared to 5700G)
Should i get K or KF? Why do we need igpu when we have expensive graphic card? Does that igpu boosts any perfomance of that processer? Or is it only the igpu?
I've just finished building a brand new platform update (coming from a i7 870). I've chosen the Ryzen 7 5800x since the whole build (CPU + B550M Mag Mortar + 32GB 3200 Mhz RAM) costs almost 1/3 of the price of building a brand new Intel CPU kit (3000 BRL for AMD vs 8600 BRL for Intel). With the dolar conversion being so high right now, buying brand new hardware here in Brazil is even more expensive than around the world. Even though part of me see's these results and wonder if it was the correct path for a mix of productivity and gaming, but I believe it was the more reasonable choice.
How are you wondering if it was the right call? brother, it was one third the price + intel's lead here is really, really small, nothing like 20~~25% we have before in 8th gen intel vs ryzen 5 2th gen. Here is more like 5~~10% at best and sometimes a tie and even losing... and you saved a lot of money. I really dont know what you mean with "wonder if it was the correct path seeing these results", maybe you didnt watch the whole video?. Also you can still upgrade later with more cores and 3d v-cache is coming as well.
@@igorrafael7429 not to mention the efficiency on the Intel side is just nowhere close. You're literally talking 10's of USD a month in electricity alone if you run your computer hard say 4-6 hours a day and electricity where you live is a bit pricey.
@@igorrafael7429 Yeah, I totally agree. In every line that you've wrote. It's just that I'm buying a PC with not the last gen PCI not DDR technically. Imagine, I've bought a PC around in 2010 before my current build. I'm intending to used as much as possible for a gaming and productive perspective for a long time. Buying "yesterday's" tech kind of makes me think "What if I...". But I totally agree on you and it was waaay more cheap on that build.
@@igorrafael7429 a lot of people aren't using pbo when testing and I've heard when you set pbo limit to 250 watts Intel is non existent besides single core
2600k upgrade for me last year, picked up a 10850k for $500 AUD, vs $580 for the 5600X. Still using my old Noctua D14, it's stll going a decade later!