I feel like the word woke lost it’s meaning in the last couple years. Just like people used to call everyone a fascist, people call everyone woke. Just a different side of the same coin.
@gf6x3gkmfw38 Only in the sense that people have utterly redefined what "fascist" means to be a concept utterly unrelated to what fascism actually is, sure.
@@bennymountain1 I sold my buddy (who doesn't usually go any harder than nu metal) Emmure by explaining to him: Emmure is basically Limp Bizkit on steroids/crack.
My biggest issue with the anti woke people is they just think anything they even mildly disagree with is now "woke". I saw someone say that a character in a video game being a woman is the "woke agenda" lmaooo
I genuinely like Bad Omens. I was recently waiting in line at a concert and I started talking to this guy next to me in line, he said that he doesn’t like how “anti-god” Bad Omens are. I responded: “funny, that’s one of the reasons I was attracted to the band.”. I don’t understand listening to rock and metal and being shocked when you find out that there’s a lot of blasphemy and anti-god subject matter, like in the BMTH situation, you have these supposed fans of the band who are outraged about the concert flyer that read “if Jesus comes back we’ll kill the the fu***r twice” or whatever it said. Why is that where they drew the line in the sand? Lmao Imagine calling yourself a fan without even knowing what the band is writing about.
and he’s as valid for not liking it as you are for liking it. sure it’s more common in metal but that doesn’t mean that everyone is gonna like or even relate to those darker lyrical themes. and it’s not to say you’re wrong for liking them either. it’s just all the same. just because somebody likes how a band sounds doesn’t mean they have to be on board with the lyrical subject matter. “drawing the line” is personal and comes down to preference. there’s no right or wrong place to do it.
a lot of metal fans don’t care about lyrics either. i honestly don’t as much. but for people that do and want to listen to something they relate to lyrically i don’t see an issue with that. let’s be honest as badass as they are, a lot of deathcore bands for example don’t have relatable lyrics and i can see that being a turnoff even if someone happens to like the riffs. and that’s kinda what you’re running into here
The fact that people hated the trapmetal video doesn't mean they would hate any other video about new music... Maybe it's trapmetal that people hate, not new music in general.
The good thing about music is it doesn't take 10 million to make a song. "Woke" music isn't crowding out better or more creative music. If you only want to listen to straight white dudes literally nothing is getting in your way.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI enjoyed your Trapmetal video Finn lol. Your video is what opened the door for me to that subgenre and I’ve been listening to it ever since. Thank you for that.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI guess I’m an outlier, because I’m 40 and started watching your videos years ago because you went more in depth on the broader cultures like hardcore culture, and because you introduced me to new music that suited my vibe, like the emo rap stuff.
@@fossilrexjaw6473 You don't see the blatant projection coming from that crowd as they openly call for racial segregation/discrimination and get violent with anyone who disagrees with it?? Their word usage isn't wrong, they are just directing it at the wrong people...
Depends usually if you bring or have a group majority from Tiktok or twitter versus just real life individuals who aren't chronically online all the time.
Hot take: Bad Omens is kinda.... boring Edit: My girlfriend is a guitar nerd, and I met her at one of our shows. She complemented me on my guitar skills. Guess I won the lottery on that one.
I actually enjoyed when you spoke about Emo Rap and Trap Metal. I discovered cool artists thanks to you. Thank you for opening my eyes to these genres. Maybe people like me who like to discovering new things should try to be more vocals than metal nerds...
I do think there has been a rise in wokeness in the rock/metal scene and I do find it pretty annoying when these people feel a need to be like “Reminder that racism is bad!” “Reminder that trans rights are human rights!” because it’s like “Yes dear, we know.” But I also think it’s a waste of energy to care about people doing that because I’m just sick of politics no matter what, and it gets in the way of why it is that we enjoy art. It doesn’t matter who’s worse or who’s more annoying and I also think it’s a waste of time to argue about that.
it's like you might say "i know that" to trans rights are human rights but if you actually talk to trans people and listen to their experiences you would better understand that it is absolutely not a consensus and every day is a fight to keep going in a world where you can just feel the hatred strangers have for you just existing. even in the most liberal states people will still shout slurs at me if i walk around in public and my own friends have to leave their home states to be out just for their own safety from the potential of hate crimes, anti trans legislation, and being ostracised by family.
@@decompression8435 Honestly I would tell you if anything, it's way past due you guys take a hard look at your LGBT activism and recognize that it really isn't inspiring anyone to support your causes anymore. Left wing activism wanting to shove this niche lifestyle into every corner of culture, and feeling like it has to be constantly acknowledged, accepted and praised at all times is why support is tanking and why people are getting sick of seeing it and hearing about it. Activism may seem like a haven and safe place for you but in reality it's the cause of yall's misery. This is a harsh reality you guys are going to have to accept at some point in order to find peace with yourselves.
I went to a local show last year and this one dude performing did that stuff. He was like "this next song goes out to all the racists, misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, bigots, fascists, yadayadayda...all the buzzwords in the book..."you're not welcome here, f' you, if you're like that you're not welcome here!!!!!!111!!1" I'm just standing there with my eyes rolled waiting for him to shut up. There was less than 20 people at that show. Like dude...none of that stuff is even going on here. He was just screaming at the wall and acting like he's really saying something bold and profound.
At this point in life - I'm 35 - I listen to artists based on if I like them or not. I dont care about their politics, their social media, that they've been accused of, if they are supposedly a "fascist" or some woke activist. I care about how they sound and how it makes ME feel when I listen to it. I've got 3 young kids, a high mortgage payment, and I probably have to get a second job to help actually save some money for future expenses. When I listen to music, I am NOT worrying about what other people say about them. One of the best things in life is learning this lesson: Dont have any shame or guilt for enjoying the music and media you do. IF people bring up the fact its "questionable, problematic, woke, or whatever ist or ism", you simply say, "I dont care or give a shit." IF they make a huge deal about that and suddenly dont want to hang out with you or be your "friend", good riddance. You dont have time for that shit or want it in your life. Misery loves its company. Shun those people like the plague and let them wallow in the sludge together. Life is short. Enjoy it.
I'm rather annoyed with both the woke AND anti-woke people. I genuinely dont care about either type of person. I just live my best life, doing/being my own thing. 😬
If he said that about Alex cause of his tattoo that's weak. People can change for the better. If we act like that why would people want to be better if everyone going to treat them the same no matter. It just encourages people to remain horrible because that's all you'll ever be able to be
I'm glad that, "I think Alex Terrible is a f-ing idiot" came out of your mouth. That guy gets a pass too often when he shouldn't. His history in Russia before he became popular is a huge problem, he acknowledged the groups he promoted and hung out with and stated he doesn't regret it. It's also telling to whom hes currently hanging out with as well (Radke).
@@coryleblancOr anything "progressive". I've heard politicians call paper straws or bans on plastic bags "woke". Electric cars are "woke". It's become a pejorative for anything the far right doesn't like
Woke is another catch-all term for stuff terminally online people don't like and want to whine about. Very few people on the anti-woke camp want to recognize how much they're just the old man yells at cloud meme.
Isn’t Finn’s wife super anti-woke? She made a UA-cam video about being afraid of her newborn son turning woke lol. Her channel was super right wing before it disappeared.
I swear there’s so many huge parts of the punk and metal histories that you haven’t covered yet, but a lot of us would love for you to comment on and make videos about. The typo negative video was a very, very awesome and welcome change. Goth is MASSIVE chapter in punk history and it’s still going strong. Check out Drab Majesty’s Demonstration album. Industrial needs you Finn. And that not all. There SOO much shit we would love for you to cover that won’t upset your audience.
I'm also wondering how that Bad Omens take is a bad thing, lmao. I started talking to a girl this semester, and the first time we hung out, she asked me if I liked System of a Down. I made the correct choice by saying that I do (which isn't totally a lie, I do like some of their songs, but they lose me when they start singing about pizza toppings or whatever). We've gotten together several times since, and we're going out today. Sometimes, it's in your best interest to be the Bad Omens guy. Sincerely, a guy that doesn't like Bad Omens
The modern metal scene definitely has some woke nonsense. There’s nothing wrong with that kind of messaging, but when you try to beat people over the head with it, to make yourself look more virtuous, it’s annoying. Not to mention the losers trying to cancel musicians simply because they can’t handle their opinions is wild. Y’all need to chill lol
Woke and anti woke are both pretty insufferable. Most people are rational nuanced people so I've never met many in reality. Feel like it's just meaningless chatter on the interwebs most times.
First time i heard the word "woke" was during a discussion about a book i had just read on the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and the second time was some guy whining about how the new dragonlance books have a black woman as the main character. Only a couple years apart if that tells you anything about the dumbing down of our society
I loved all your videos about emo rap and metal trap. The whole emo rap thing is actually one of my favorite genres and i thought it was great that someone like you was talking about it. And i wish you'd go back to talking about stuff like that but i understand that it doesn't sell.
At 2:53 **in the sing songy of Stabbing Westwards "What do I Have to Do?"**...... Finn: "What am I supposed to do!?". Someone should chop this sound byte up and put it to that song😂😂
Isn't the point of your "Finn" channel to be able to talk about what you want? I'm not a creator and know nothing about UA-cam. But I would love it if you posted all the nostalgia stuff on the PRMBA channel and your individual opinions on this channel.
You hit the nail in the coffin with that! Being in that middle point myself between the woke and anti-woke crowd, one cannot deny that there are bad apples and morons in both circles.
All Alex did was state his own mind it's how he grew up, your also forgetting that he is from russia where being LGBT is heavily frowned upon and is even criminal in some parts of russia.
I think the reason why K-pop is considered alternative is because all of the other genres of music has been oversaturated for decades, and K-Pop is genuinely something new and fresh
I like believing in critical thinking as well. I'm a 43 Xennial Finn and your content is great. We disagree about things here and there but critical thinking allows me to let people have opinions different than mine. I liked your vids on Trap Metal/Emo Rap...especially the one on $uicideboy$...it helps me feel relevant. Most everyone gets stuck listening to the music around from their age of 17 to 25... for any age. Don't get stuck. You help me with that.
You and Henry Rollins seem to have a lot in common hehehe. Also about "woke", I do agree with them to some extent. I don't really like it when people adhere to the moral crusade of political correctness and policing everyone on what and what not to say. There's a difference between, for example, satire and genuine malicious intent. And I love satire (and trolling, unfortunately for some. Hehe).
I vehemently disagree with the trap metal assessment but I still watched it and appreciate your knowledge of it. Filthy millennial but I like that "bad" video and would much rather watch that than fucking Fred durst. Limp bizkit was dogshit then and nothing has changed
My mom is a psychologist and this is the consensus of the psychological community's research. Even people with OCD who have pervasive, intrusive thoughts about terrible things can still be good people. What you do is more important than what goes on in your head.
Finn stop whining if you're gonna keep uploading shit, you're like that one co worker who's been on the company for way longer than you and won't shut up about how much he hates his job and he's leaving soon. There's many people like me who support you and your content but this "I'm trapped making content I don't like cause that's what sells 😭😭😭" is getting really tiring dude for real
If we are going by the definition of "woke" before it became Republicans' new version of the Red Scare, it used to simply mean you are aware of and care about social issues around us. And when combining that term with music, some are fools to think that music was ever not "woke". Go back to Billie Holliday daring to sing about lynchings, or the entire late 60s. Half of early punk was talking about foreign wars or criticizing Reagan. Some folks with a lack of listening/reading comp did not label RATM as "woke" until they somehow realized after 30 years that they were not singing about the GOP taking the power back. Half of Metallica's big hits could be accused of being "woke" by questioning the goals of war and the horrible pain and loss it causes("For Whom the Bell Tolls" or "One"), or discussing the crippling grip of addiction( "Master of Puppets") or growing up in the indoctrination of religious fundamentalists("The Unforgiven").
Of course, the "Red Scare" was vindicated by history. There actually were Soviet spies trying to infiltrate all kinds of US institutions. That's been public knowledge since the USSR collapsed.
Compared to Controversy, it made Alex Terrible more talked about and STP more popular while Thy Art kicked out their Frontman CJ and immediately replaced him.
American Pop was certainly in a deep freeze for a while. I called it the trapification of pop and I’d say it started around 2016 and went into the early 2020s, but over the last couple years I’ve noticed more vibrant and varied sounds again in pop music
Thank you, i used to paint my nails black to get the ladies to compliment it which they do, but now its more to piss off anti woke people. Once again me being in the middle proves to be the sensible place to be. Agree with some woke and some non woke stances, just things that make sense to me. I am against people who take themselves to seriously and i feel the extreme political spectrums all do that.
Deep dive on Acid Bath. You're our age so we relate more to the older stuff. Definitely found new music through your channels. Especially hardcore. Kinda gave up on heavy music after Pantera broke up
The words people are looking for are feminist, marxist and communist. As for Tate McRae... she's a Britney rehash. Not my cup of tea, it sounds like what I listened to in the 90s when I didn't even like rock music when I was a pre-teen. This is a problem I've realised I've had when I started watching your channel in 2018: it was a nostalgia binge. Now, I don’t even care so much for what I used to listen to. I think this is the difference between Americans and Europeans: Americans live in the here and now (Iced Earth being an exception) and Europeans commemorate history and national lore. There's a strong stream of metal bands emerging over in Europe. It boils down to this: rock, jazz and metal bands and classical/folk orchestras are a gathering of acquaintances who play music as a group. They negotiate their differences and create work together. Aside from the usual criticism of pop and rap, barely anyone complains those artists are usually solo singers full of narcissism. They also like to disrespect and engage in sportsball style trash talk. It's music for small minded individuals. It sums up the decline of modern society, the whole me me me mentality of people wearing scantily clad clothing and taking on bogus pronouns. It's automised individualism on steroids. As a whole, there are very few solo artists I have ever liked (and they usually have a guitar playing if I like their music). Your channel is interesting in showing how America used to have communities of people doing activities together (such playing in a band together), but recent American music is full of solipsistic singers and rappers chasing success for themselves. It's just them and a beat machine. Boring, uninspiring music that's being rehashed endlessly on the radio for 30 years. It's not new and a lot of it is highly misandrist. Considering you have a son, you should seriously acknowledge that. And as for your belief that metalheads are unhappy people at heart, that's your experience in hardcore influenced music. Not power, symphonic and classic metal, where most of them don't take themselves seriously. Stop acting as a spokesman for metal because you act like there's nothing with pop and rap music when there's plenty wrong with it. It's practically mind control and represents a worship of oneself and personality disorders.
About your writer's block: Just a guess (might be obvious) but do you consider covering bands which are within your target range (nu metal, 2000s nostalgia, hardcore, crust, grind, straight edge, punk, pop punk) but modern iterations of that. I'm sure there's many new bands within these categories and you probably already know more of them than I do. You could talk about new scenes, explain them, do some research about them, maybe an interesting scene from another country. It would bring some freshness definitely.
Finn has already done it, but the majority of people don't consume that type of content. In Finn's words, what would you want to spend a Lot of time and energy on creating videos that people don't watch, or even worst, that they hate?
@@TheDefton87 he said that about emo rap I think, which is fair haha. I mean there are a couple of very successful creators who talk about recent stuff. Nik Nocturnal found a way to be able to milk new heavy music forever. There's this Coolea guy who talks about old and new stuff at the same time. Wyattaxhim talks about new obscure releases and has decent numbers. So I'm like, if Finn's area is hardcore, then why not new stuff as well? But again he knows the full picture and sees the numbers so he knows
I wish people would stop the bullshit with Alex Terrible. Dude has repeatedly explained his past and his mistakes. He’s out here trying to be a better person and people just run with any rumors about him without digging beyond the surface. Also I have no idea what CJ did or Architects so before saying something stupid, I’ll read about it.
He admitted to lying about changing his beliefs and regretting his past on Vkontakte (a Russian social media site) lmao, there are countless other instances too of him still actively supporting Neo-Nazis, not just associating with them, not "I bought this shirt that happened to be owned by a company that supports white supremacist, it's active, knowing support. I'm not saying that nobody should be allowed to listen to Slaughter to Prevail, but you should at least know that the dude is a Neo-Nazi and most definitely has not changed.
He was being canceled for his Nazi tattoos and then he got one of them covered up and posted that he's changed since then, then on some Russian social media site he said that he lied about changing to save his career in the west.
Woke means different things depending on what you want it to mean. It’s always meant that you don’t accept the status quo which used to be racism, homophobia transphobia, sexism, etc. Now conservative extremists use woke to describe liberal extremists.. if someone calls you woke now they just mean that they are racist and homophobic, trans phobic probably religious so on. I collect firearms, fish/hunt, train fighters and my morality is relatively conservative for modern society but I’ll always be considered woke because I don’t hate people based on race, religion, sexuality, gender etc. None of those things determine whether or not you are a good person so I refuse to judge people for them.
Edgy boys living on the edge and being surprised when they topple off should truly not be a thing like stop whining about "cancelation" after years of explicitly trying to provoke a reaction
Being an intelligent and critical thinker is what made the left push me so far to the right. You start to recognize patterns and ideological inconsistencies and the left reeeeeally doesn't like it when you start pointing that stuff out.
@@homelander7742 Most of my views would be considered "right-wing" by most leftists. I didn't make the political climate what it is. All you have to do is say something like "Why did BLM spend their money on political campaigns and mansions instead of on inner cities?" and most people fly off the handle and revert to labeling you the horrid "r" word instead of providing an actual retort.
@@Floptart It's not that you've even changed. It's the general leftist ideology has shifted so away from it what it used to be that you can't relate to it anymore.
Neither does the right lol. If you got “pushed to the right” because you saw a bunch of leftists act like idiots, then you probably weren’t all that “left” to begin with bud
Honestly, Finn’s content may be mid, but he talks about things with his genuine opinions and seems down to earth. Even if I don’t have the same opinion on everything I appreciate that he isn’t fake.
I begrudgingly watched the Trap Metal video when it was first released. By the end of it I was educated on a sub-genre I was previous unaware of, even if I still wasn’t a fan of it. At the least, I can appreciate the benefit in that. Just waving from that side of the crowd.
I agree, I think most woke people have no idea why they think the way they do and the same goes for most anti woke people. They are just happy to be apart of something and don't really care if they are right or wrong it just makes them feel like they belong. People care more about being accepted by groups than being educated. It is hard and scary to think for yourself because it can challenge what you believe in, and that can be uncomfortable and scary, and who wants uncomfortable.
I gotta say if it weren’t for your channel I wouldn’t know a bunch of the newer bands that I love now. I was already alive in 2011, I like new stuff. Thanks for all you do.
How about a Video about Trip Hop? On my way home i was suddenly asking myself, wtf is trip hop. I just can't explain what Trip Hop is, or was. I don't even know if it's still around
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA for sure. But being a late genXer myself; into punk and metal. And finding it harder to relate to the youthful anger. These artists fit my aging mind set.
Finally a video I can get mad about and voice all of my unsolicited opinions in the comments, been a while! I feel seen and validated! Next time let's talk about Tom Macdonald again but not before I get my fix of another video about nu metal! (Just don't tell anyone that I enjoyed trap metal video a lot ok?)
I think you should make one video for your main channel that covers whatever it is that you find yourself most wanting to talk about lately. Like you mentioned in the video, the last time you made videos about something other than late 90s to 2010s guitar music was 4-5 years ago. Trying again now might give you a chance to rekindle some passion or excitement in making videos for your main channel. It also might be received differently now than it was back then. Or you'll get the same response, but you won't know unless you give it a shot. Personally, I was always a huge fan any videos you made that covered new music from all genres. It's too easy to just keep going to the "fans also like" section on Spotify for new music, and just getting fed the same sound over and over. Your videos covering new music were a great way to for me to get recommendations outside of the Spotify algorithm.
Personally I really liked your K-pop, Trap metal and pop videos. Would love to see more of that. I feel like you can help a lot of metal heads expand their minds. Like, you even got me to accept country. 😂
2:46 hey now, to be honest you’re the reason I got into Trap Metal. Not all of it, sure some really is just hard to enjoy. But there’s some great things out there. I think Dogboy from Zillakilla falls into a really entertaining category
6:43 I was with you until this highly conflicting statement lol The blind following "NPC's" are exactly what created the issue for CJ and Alex, not the other way around.
You have to create a second channel that explicitly introduces modern music to middle aged dudes interested in learning. Those who bitch about non-nu metal and emo nostalgia content don't need to join, they can remain on this channel. It filters out those uninterested. Everyone gets what they want. The channel name would need to make the content clear.
Whether you’re woke, anti woke or neither the current social climate in our culture is overwhelmingly cringe.
Absolutely
They/Them Art Is Murder
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#bringcjback
hahahahah!!!
I feel like the word woke lost it’s meaning in the last couple years. Just like people used to call everyone a fascist, people call everyone woke. Just a different side of the same coin.
Except the fascist one keeps turning out to be true.
FASCIST
@gf6x3gkmfw38 Only in the sense that people have utterly redefined what "fascist" means to be a concept utterly unrelated to what fascism actually is, sure.
@@manny75586 Nationalistic, adhering to tradition, and striving to eradicate "degeneracy"......which part is redefined?
@@Roonagu damn didn't know tradition was fascism. Yall add new shit to the definition every day
I fucking love Limp Bizkit and I'm not ashamed.
hell yeah brother
What's worse, I love the bands that love Limp BIzkit (Emmure, Atilla, Darko US)
@@bennymountain1 An Atilla/Limp Bizkit tour would be WILD.
Music is subjective...
Except country, LOL 😂
@@bennymountain1 I sold my buddy (who doesn't usually go any harder than nu metal) Emmure by explaining to him: Emmure is basically Limp Bizkit on steroids/crack.
I listen to Bad Omens because they sound good I'm married with 2 babies under 2 so don't need to listen to them to get laid.
… anymore lol
My biggest issue with the anti woke people is they just think anything they even mildly disagree with is now "woke". I saw someone say that a character in a video game being a woman is the "woke agenda" lmaooo
"I only like seeing men in my media. But not in a gay way!"
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA💯😂😂😂
Anything that doesn’t benefit them and only them is now ‘woke’
Having female characters and diversity isn’t woke. However gender swapping, race swapping and forced diversity are woke.
Left did this too with nazi. Everyone they disagree with was a Nazi.
Mid sells 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Unfortunately 😆
But who's bying? 🤔
Pee sells 🗣️🔥
@@Melonator13 But who's Bi?(ing)
It’s like food, you don’t always need to go to a fancy restaurant
I genuinely like Bad Omens.
I was recently waiting in line at a concert and I started talking to this guy next to me in line, he said that he doesn’t like how “anti-god” Bad Omens are. I responded: “funny, that’s one of the reasons I was attracted to the band.”. I don’t understand listening to rock and metal and being shocked when you find out that there’s a lot of blasphemy and anti-god subject matter, like in the BMTH situation, you have these supposed fans of the band who are outraged about the concert flyer that read “if Jesus comes back we’ll kill the the fu***r twice” or whatever it said. Why is that where they drew the line in the sand? Lmao
Imagine calling yourself a fan without even knowing what the band is writing about.
and he’s as valid for not liking it as you are for liking it. sure it’s more common in metal but that doesn’t mean that everyone is gonna like or even relate to those darker lyrical themes. and it’s not to say you’re wrong for liking them either. it’s just all the same. just because somebody likes how a band sounds doesn’t mean they have to be on board with the lyrical subject matter. “drawing the line” is personal and comes down to preference. there’s no right or wrong place to do it.
a lot of metal fans don’t care about lyrics either. i honestly don’t as much. but for people that do and want to listen to something they relate to lyrically i don’t see an issue with that. let’s be honest as badass as they are, a lot of deathcore bands for example don’t have relatable lyrics and i can see that being a turnoff even if someone happens to like the riffs. and that’s kinda what you’re running into here
The fact that people hated the trapmetal video doesn't mean they would hate any other video about new music... Maybe it's trapmetal that people hate, not new music in general.
I've really never had much success talking about new music. My audience is older and it's just not their interest.
The good thing about music is it doesn't take 10 million to make a song. "Woke" music isn't crowding out better or more creative music. If you only want to listen to straight white dudes literally nothing is getting in your way.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI enjoyed your Trapmetal video Finn lol. Your video is what opened the door for me to that subgenre and I’ve been listening to it ever since. Thank you for that.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI guess I’m an outlier, because I’m 40 and started watching your videos years ago because you went more in depth on the broader cultures like hardcore culture, and because you introduced me to new music that suited my vibe, like the emo rap stuff.
finn's audience is late-30s boomers tbqh
Honestly nowadays if I hear somebody use the word 'woke' unironically I either laugh or roll my eyes.
Well not everyone can be a social justice warrior for the fem commies....
It's not a specific word for anything tbh. It's branding something you hate as a particular lame term
@@EncoreASMR It's for lame things of a leftist nature, specifically.
Well, I do the same for "racist" and "fascist," so I guess I can't blame you.
@@fossilrexjaw6473 You don't see the blatant projection coming from that crowd as they openly call for racial segregation/discrimination and get violent with anyone who disagrees with it?? Their word usage isn't wrong, they are just directing it at the wrong people...
People should just stop using the word “woke” and replace it with what it really was meant to denote, namely hyper-sensitive progressivism.
Or just bring back the term SJW.
@@brocklastname6682or just call them Marxists. Or communists. Or socialists. They are all pretty much the same thing.
@@breadnaut How is it "Marxist" for the Little Mermaid to be black?
Or feminism
Performative intersectional marxism.
Depends usually if you bring or have a group majority from Tiktok or twitter versus just real life individuals who aren't chronically online all the time.
Valid point
I cackled when Finn read "your content is mid" and without hesitation replied back with "I think that's being generous" 😂
I nearly died
Hot take: Bad Omens is kinda.... boring
Edit: My girlfriend is a guitar nerd, and I met her at one of our shows. She complemented me on my guitar skills. Guess I won the lottery on that one.
Bad Omens is totally boring and generic, the singer has a good range but still boring music.
Bad Omens is just music for tik tok chicks. Way, WAY overrated
I don’t agree at all. They’re a fantastic band
Absolutely mid music, indeed
You're dating a unicorn
Main channel: meh
This channel: weeee! Papa Finn dropped another top tier tierlist!
Can't wait for Finn to do a tier list of his tier lists
@@elicraig7367 and then bot a tier list tier list tier list, and a tier tierlist
I actually enjoyed when you spoke about Emo Rap and Trap Metal. I discovered cool artists thanks to you. Thank you for opening my eyes to these genres.
Maybe people like me who like to discovering new things should try to be more vocals than metal nerds...
Same here
Same!
Me too. I discovered Lil Peep, Suicide Boys and City Morgue with the help of Finn.
Same
Me too
I do think there has been a rise in wokeness in the rock/metal scene and I do find it pretty annoying when these people feel a need to be like “Reminder that racism is bad!” “Reminder that trans rights are human rights!” because it’s like “Yes dear, we know.” But I also think it’s a waste of energy to care about people doing that because I’m just sick of politics no matter what, and it gets in the way of why it is that we enjoy art. It doesn’t matter who’s worse or who’s more annoying and I also think it’s a waste of time to argue about that.
it's like you might say "i know that" to trans rights are human rights but if you actually talk to trans people and listen to their experiences you would better understand that it is absolutely not a consensus and every day is a fight to keep going in a world where you can just feel the hatred strangers have for you just existing. even in the most liberal states people will still shout slurs at me if i walk around in public and my own friends have to leave their home states to be out just for their own safety from the potential of hate crimes, anti trans legislation, and being ostracised by family.
@@decompression8435 Honestly I would tell you if anything, it's way past due you guys take a hard look at your LGBT activism and recognize that it really isn't inspiring anyone to support your causes anymore. Left wing activism wanting to shove this niche lifestyle into every corner of culture, and feeling like it has to be constantly acknowledged, accepted and praised at all times is why support is tanking and why people are getting sick of seeing it and hearing about it. Activism may seem like a haven and safe place for you but in reality it's the cause of yall's misery. This is a harsh reality you guys are going to have to accept at some point in order to find peace with yourselves.
I went to a local show last year and this one dude performing did that stuff. He was like "this next song goes out to all the racists, misogynists, homophobes, transphobes, bigots, fascists, yadayadayda...all the buzzwords in the book..."you're not welcome here, f' you, if you're like that you're not welcome here!!!!!!111!!1" I'm just standing there with my eyes rolled waiting for him to shut up. There was less than 20 people at that show. Like dude...none of that stuff is even going on here. He was just screaming at the wall and acting like he's really saying something bold and profound.
At this point in life - I'm 35 - I listen to artists based on if I like them or not. I dont care about their politics, their social media, that they've been accused of, if they are supposedly a "fascist" or some woke activist. I care about how they sound and how it makes ME feel when I listen to it.
I've got 3 young kids, a high mortgage payment, and I probably have to get a second job to help actually save some money for future expenses. When I listen to music, I am NOT worrying about what other people say about them.
One of the best things in life is learning this lesson: Dont have any shame or guilt for enjoying the music and media you do. IF people bring up the fact its "questionable, problematic, woke, or whatever ist or ism", you simply say, "I dont care or give a shit." IF they make a huge deal about that and suddenly dont want to hang out with you or be your "friend", good riddance. You dont have time for that shit or want it in your life. Misery loves its company. Shun those people like the plague and let them wallow in the sludge together.
Life is short. Enjoy it.
I'm rather annoyed with both the woke AND anti-woke people. I genuinely dont care about either type of person. I just live my best life, doing/being my own thing. 😬
Caring that things are "woke" reveals a lot about a person that maybe they should just keep to themselves.
If he said that about Alex cause of his tattoo that's weak. People can change for the better. If we act like that why would people want to be better if everyone going to treat them the same no matter. It just encourages people to remain horrible because that's all you'll ever be able to be
I'm glad that, "I think Alex Terrible is a f-ing idiot" came out of your mouth. That guy gets a pass too often when he shouldn't. His history in Russia before he became popular is a huge problem, he acknowledged the groups he promoted and hung out with and stated he doesn't regret it. It's also telling to whom hes currently hanging out with as well (Radke).
This channel is your main channel as far as I'm concerned. Limp Bizkit dirty talk is pure gold.
Woke used to mean awake, as in paying attention to what was really going on.
yea leftist version of red pill or was red pill the rightist version of woke?
@@vulkanofnocturne probably red pill is the right wing version of woke, considering "red pill" is a reference to a movie that was written by lefties.
Before 2020 it meant enlightened, now it means pro-trans
@@coryleblanc 🤮 right?
@@coryleblancOr anything "progressive".
I've heard politicians call paper straws or bans on plastic bags "woke". Electric cars are "woke".
It's become a pejorative for anything the far right doesn't like
Woke is another catch-all term for stuff terminally online people don't like and want to whine about. Very few people on the anti-woke camp want to recognize how much they're just the old man yells at cloud meme.
Isn’t Finn’s wife super anti-woke? She made a UA-cam video about being afraid of her newborn son turning woke lol. Her channel was super right wing before it disappeared.
I swear there’s so many huge parts of the punk and metal histories that you haven’t covered yet, but a lot of us would love for you to comment on and make videos about.
The typo negative video was a very, very awesome and welcome change. Goth is MASSIVE chapter in punk history and it’s still going strong. Check out Drab Majesty’s Demonstration album.
Industrial needs you Finn.
And that not all. There SOO much shit we would love for you to cover that won’t upset your audience.
Go and for another channel. He doesn’t know as much as he makes out
I'm also wondering how that Bad Omens take is a bad thing, lmao. I started talking to a girl this semester, and the first time we hung out, she asked me if I liked System of a Down. I made the correct choice by saying that I do (which isn't totally a lie, I do like some of their songs, but they lose me when they start singing about pizza toppings or whatever). We've gotten together several times since, and we're going out today. Sometimes, it's in your best interest to be the Bad Omens guy.
Sincerely, a guy that doesn't like Bad Omens
I took a girl to a bad omens show and about 3 months later we needed up saying.. currently about to hit the two year mark in a few months….
The modern metal scene definitely has some woke nonsense. There’s nothing wrong with that kind of messaging, but when you try to beat people over the head with it, to make yourself look more virtuous, it’s annoying. Not to mention the losers trying to cancel musicians simply because they can’t handle their opinions is wild. Y’all need to chill lol
Woke and anti woke are both pretty insufferable. Most people are rational nuanced people so I've never met many in reality. Feel like it's just meaningless chatter on the interwebs most times.
Finn is so anti-woke he’s woke! 🤣
The funny thing is my favorite videos are about stuff like trap metal because it gave me perspective and recommendations on bands I’ve never heard of.
First time i heard the word "woke" was during a discussion about a book i had just read on the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and the second time was some guy whining about how the new dragonlance books have a black woman as the main character. Only a couple years apart if that tells you anything about the dumbing down of our society
Hey Finn, your mid-content is better than 99% of other people's non-mid content.
What did CJ do? Genuine question.
"No one watched my emo trap video. That's the only genre of music so I guess I'm stuck with nu metal"
I loved all your videos about emo rap and metal trap. The whole emo rap thing is actually one of my favorite genres and i thought it was great that someone like you was talking about it. And i wish you'd go back to talking about stuff like that but i understand that it doesn't sell.
Finn in the driver seat, alongside When We Were Young, driving the Nostalgia train for food, and scholarship for his child. I respect that.
At 2:53 **in the sing songy of Stabbing Westwards "What do I Have to Do?"**...... Finn: "What am I supposed to do!?". Someone should chop this sound byte up and put it to that song😂😂
Isn't the point of your "Finn" channel to be able to talk about what you want?
I'm not a creator and know nothing about UA-cam.
But I would love it if you posted all the nostalgia stuff on the PRMBA channel and your individual opinions on this channel.
Both sides have zero self-awareness, when you spend all your time focusing on others you tend to neglect yourself
You hit the nail in the coffin with that! Being in that middle point myself between the woke and anti-woke crowd, one cannot deny that there are bad apples and morons in both circles.
All Alex did was state his own mind it's how he grew up, your also forgetting that he is from russia where being LGBT is heavily frowned upon and is even criminal in some parts of russia.
@09:14 you've said this before and as the father of a 16 y/o kpop stan this is pure facts even the american kpop stan asethetic is closer to emo.
I think the reason why K-pop is considered alternative is because all of the other genres of music has been oversaturated for decades, and K-Pop is genuinely something new and fresh
I like believing in critical thinking as well. I'm a 43 Xennial Finn and your content is great. We disagree about things here and there but critical thinking allows me to let people have opinions different than mine. I liked your vids on Trap Metal/Emo Rap...especially the one on $uicideboy$...it helps me feel relevant. Most everyone gets stuck listening to the music around from their age of 17 to 25... for any age. Don't get stuck. You help me with that.
4:17 Someone got soo excited they resubbed for another 6 months
You and Henry Rollins seem to have a lot in common hehehe.
Also about "woke", I do agree with them to some extent. I don't really like it when people adhere to the moral crusade of political correctness and policing everyone on what and what not to say. There's a difference between, for example, satire and genuine malicious intent. And I love satire (and trolling, unfortunately for some. Hehe).
Im 42. I loved your trap metal and emo rap videos. Those videos introduced me to both genres. Thank you.
I vehemently disagree with the trap metal assessment but I still watched it and appreciate your knowledge of it. Filthy millennial but I like that "bad" video and would much rather watch that than fucking Fred durst. Limp bizkit was dogshit then and nothing has changed
I don't care what people think. I care what they DO with their actions. This isn't Minority Report where there are thought crimes.
Oh don't worry that'll eventually be a thing as soon as metadata analysis advances to a certain point.
My mom is a psychologist and this is the consensus of the psychological community's research. Even people with OCD who have pervasive, intrusive thoughts about terrible things can still be good people. What you do is more important than what goes on in your head.
Why were architects mentioned in the same breath as Thy Art and Alex Terrible? What did I miss?
I'd like to know too
There was some uproar a few months ago when Adam retweeted some anti trans stuff. He said it was a mistake, a bit weird though.
Finn stop whining if you're gonna keep uploading shit, you're like that one co worker who's been on the company for way longer than you and won't shut up about how much he hates his job and he's leaving soon. There's many people like me who support you and your content but this "I'm trapped making content I don't like cause that's what sells 😭😭😭" is getting really tiring dude for real
Current plan is to quit at the end of the year but we'll see
If we are going by the definition of "woke" before it became Republicans' new version of the Red Scare, it used to simply mean you are aware of and care about social issues around us. And when combining that term with music, some are fools to think that music was ever not "woke". Go back to Billie Holliday daring to sing about lynchings, or the entire late 60s. Half of early punk was talking about foreign wars or criticizing Reagan. Some folks with a lack of listening/reading comp did not label RATM as "woke" until they somehow realized after 30 years that they were not singing about the GOP taking the power back. Half of Metallica's big hits could be accused of being "woke" by questioning the goals of war and the horrible pain and loss it causes("For Whom the Bell Tolls" or "One"), or discussing the crippling grip of addiction( "Master of Puppets") or growing up in the indoctrination of religious fundamentalists("The Unforgiven").
Pot meet kettle. If you believe that Metallica is in any way "woke" you have a woeful misunderstanding of why people call others woke.
Of course, the "Red Scare" was vindicated by history. There actually were Soviet spies trying to infiltrate all kinds of US institutions. That's been public knowledge since the USSR collapsed.
4:08 had a metronet guy servicing my router hear this… got a funny look. Thanks Finn
Compared to Controversy, it made Alex Terrible more talked about and STP more popular while Thy Art kicked out their Frontman CJ and immediately replaced him.
It's absolutely hilarious how honest finn is, lmao. Says the quiet part loud
I'm familiar with what CJ said, but what did Alex Terrible do?
American Pop was certainly in a deep freeze for a while. I called it the trapification of pop and I’d say it started around 2016 and went into the early 2020s, but over the last couple years I’ve noticed more vibrant and varied sounds again in pop music
I stand with Finn. Thinking critically > choosing a "team"
There is a thought that stops thought and that is the only thought that ought to be stopped.
Thank you, i used to paint my nails black to get the ladies to compliment it which they do, but now its more to piss off anti woke people. Once again me being in the middle proves to be the sensible place to be. Agree with some woke and some non woke stances, just things that make sense to me. I am against people who take themselves to seriously and i feel the extreme political spectrums all do that.
Deep dive on Acid Bath. You're our age so we relate more to the older stuff. Definitely found new music through your channels. Especially hardcore. Kinda gave up on heavy music after Pantera broke up
The words people are looking for are feminist, marxist and communist. As for Tate McRae... she's a Britney rehash. Not my cup of tea, it sounds like what I listened to in the 90s when I didn't even like rock music when I was a pre-teen. This is a problem I've realised I've had when I started watching your channel in 2018: it was a nostalgia binge. Now, I don’t even care so much for what I used to listen to. I think this is the difference between Americans and Europeans: Americans live in the here and now (Iced Earth being an exception) and Europeans commemorate history and national lore. There's a strong stream of metal bands emerging over in Europe.
It boils down to this: rock, jazz and metal bands and classical/folk orchestras are a gathering of acquaintances who play music as a group. They negotiate their differences and create work together. Aside from the usual criticism of pop and rap, barely anyone complains those artists are usually solo singers full of narcissism. They also like to disrespect and engage in sportsball style trash talk. It's music for small minded individuals. It sums up the decline of modern society, the whole me me me mentality of people wearing scantily clad clothing and taking on bogus pronouns. It's automised individualism on steroids. As a whole, there are very few solo artists I have ever liked (and they usually have a guitar playing if I like their music).
Your channel is interesting in showing how America used to have communities of people doing activities together (such playing in a band together), but recent American music is full of solipsistic singers and rappers chasing success for themselves. It's just them and a beat machine. Boring, uninspiring music that's being rehashed endlessly on the radio for 30 years. It's not new and a lot of it is highly misandrist. Considering you have a son, you should seriously acknowledge that.
And as for your belief that metalheads are unhappy people at heart, that's your experience in hardcore influenced music. Not power, symphonic and classic metal, where most of them don't take themselves seriously. Stop acting as a spokesman for metal because you act like there's nothing with pop and rap music when there's plenty wrong with it. It's practically mind control and represents a worship of oneself and personality disorders.
What’s the name of that K-pop artist to use as an example?
what do you think of "Espresso" by Sabrina Carpenter? I think it's super catchy and is the type of pop you said you wanted.
About your writer's block: Just a guess (might be obvious) but do you consider covering bands which are within your target range (nu metal, 2000s nostalgia, hardcore, crust, grind, straight edge, punk, pop punk) but modern iterations of that. I'm sure there's many new bands within these categories and you probably already know more of them than I do. You could talk about new scenes, explain them, do some research about them, maybe an interesting scene from another country. It would bring some freshness definitely.
Nobody watches videos about new rock artists
Finn has already done it, but the majority of people don't consume that type of content. In Finn's words, what would you want to spend a Lot of time and energy on creating videos that people don't watch, or even worst, that they hate?
Interesting scenes from different countries would be good. Like the 90's Chinese punk scene or something like that.
@@TheDefton87 he said that about emo rap I think, which is fair haha. I mean there are a couple of very successful creators who talk about recent stuff. Nik Nocturnal found a way to be able to milk new heavy music forever. There's this Coolea guy who talks about old and new stuff at the same time. Wyattaxhim talks about new obscure releases and has decent numbers. So I'm like, if Finn's area is hardcore, then why not new stuff as well? But again he knows the full picture and sees the numbers so he knows
@FinnMckentyPRMBA that's the reason I watch nik nocturnal more than you, tho. To discover new music.
I wish people would stop the bullshit with Alex Terrible. Dude has repeatedly explained his past and his mistakes. He’s out here trying to be a better person and people just run with any rumors about him without digging beyond the surface. Also I have no idea what CJ did or Architects so before saying something stupid, I’ll read about it.
He took the stage name Alex Terrible, acts terribly and then he and his fans complain when people hate on him.
He admitted to lying about changing his beliefs and regretting his past on Vkontakte (a Russian social media site) lmao, there are countless other instances too of him still actively supporting Neo-Nazis, not just associating with them, not "I bought this shirt that happened to be owned by a company that supports white supremacist, it's active, knowing support. I'm not saying that nobody should be allowed to listen to Slaughter to Prevail, but you should at least know that the dude is a Neo-Nazi and most definitely has not changed.
When did Alex get canceled? Or when did they try again to cancel him again?
He was being canceled for his Nazi tattoos and then he got one of them covered up and posted that he's changed since then, then on some Russian social media site he said that he lied about changing to save his career in the west.
Woke means different things depending on what you want it to mean. It’s always meant that you don’t accept the status quo which used to be racism, homophobia transphobia, sexism, etc. Now conservative extremists use woke to describe liberal extremists.. if someone calls you woke now they just mean that they are racist and homophobic, trans phobic probably religious so on. I collect firearms, fish/hunt, train fighters and my morality is relatively conservative for modern society but I’ll always be considered woke because I don’t hate people based on race, religion, sexuality, gender etc. None of those things determine whether or not you are a good person so I refuse to judge people for them.
I'm not complaining but I want to know if I'm going crazy. Is this cut from an older video? It sounds familiar
There’s some awesome North Korean videos on YT. For real, it’s actually good stuff
That Shayne Smith podcast was solid.
Edgy boys living on the edge and being surprised when they topple off should truly not be a thing like stop whining about "cancelation" after years of explicitly trying to provoke a reaction
What did Alex Terrible do?
I love your non-mean big brother energy, it's fantastic 💖
Dude, your content on the second channel is far from mid. Without a doubt my favorite entertainment channel on the platform.
“Heres the thing” is definitely coming up get your bingo cards ready
Being an intelligent and critical thinker is what made the left push me so far to the right. You start to recognize patterns and ideological inconsistencies and the left reeeeeally doesn't like it when you start pointing that stuff out.
Nothing says "I'm an intelligent and critical thinker" like admitting that other people pushed your political views to the right by being mean to you.
@@homelander7742 Most of my views would be considered "right-wing" by most leftists. I didn't make the political climate what it is. All you have to do is say something like "Why did BLM spend their money on political campaigns and mansions instead of on inner cities?" and most people fly off the handle and revert to labeling you the horrid "r" word instead of providing an actual retort.
@@Floptart It's not that you've even changed. It's the general leftist ideology has shifted so away from it what it used to be that you can't relate to it anymore.
Neither does the right lol. If you got “pushed to the right” because you saw a bunch of leftists act like idiots, then you probably weren’t all that “left” to begin with bud
Your content is definitely not “mid”. It’s great.
Honestly, Finn’s content may be mid, but he talks about things with his genuine opinions and seems down to earth. Even if I don’t have the same opinion on everything I appreciate that he isn’t fake.
I begrudgingly watched the Trap Metal video when it was first released. By the end of it I was educated on a sub-genre I was previous unaware of, even if I still wasn’t a fan of it. At the least, I can appreciate the benefit in that. Just waving from that side of the crowd.
I agree, I think most woke people have no idea why they think the way they do and the same goes for most anti woke people. They are just happy to be apart of something and don't really care if they are right or wrong it just makes them feel like they belong. People care more about being accepted by groups than being educated. It is hard and scary to think for yourself because it can challenge what you believe in, and that can be uncomfortable and scary, and who wants uncomfortable.
I'd like to announce that all music genres with the word "core" in it are officially cancelled.
Finn what is a woman?
I gotta say if it weren’t for your channel I wouldn’t know a bunch of the newer bands that I love now. I was already alive in 2011, I like new stuff. Thanks for all you do.
How about a Video about Trip Hop?
On my way home i was suddenly asking myself, wtf is trip hop.
I just can't explain what Trip Hop is, or was. I don't even know if it's still around
Did I just notice that Winnie the Pooh is doing Gangnam style in that video??
You’re a genius Finn, it’s so cringe and perfect.
dude you are so right about woke/anti-woke "culture". I honestly find both sides to be cringe as hell.😂
Everything is too damn WOKE.....
Perturbator, Carpenter Brut, etc. Thoughts and video?
There is no way Finn knows who that is.
@@adamg.manning6088 I suppose your right.
Bro I heard Peturbator like 10 years ago lol. Hotline Miami was a huge mainstream game, it's not like he's obscure.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA for sure. But being a late genXer myself; into punk and metal. And finding it harder to relate to the youthful anger. These artists fit my aging mind set.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA
Haha.
Chill. It was mainly about you probably considering it “weird European music”.
I should have just said “would like that.”
So proud of you Finn for coming out as woke. You're invited to the Woke Pride Parade as long as you wear as mask.
Finally a video I can get mad about and voice all of my unsolicited opinions in the comments, been a while! I feel seen and validated! Next time let's talk about Tom Macdonald again but not before I get my fix of another video about nu metal!
(Just don't tell anyone that I enjoyed trap metal video a lot ok?)
I think you should make one video for your main channel that covers whatever it is that you find yourself most wanting to talk about lately. Like you mentioned in the video, the last time you made videos about something other than late 90s to 2010s guitar music was 4-5 years ago. Trying again now might give you a chance to rekindle some passion or excitement in making videos for your main channel. It also might be received differently now than it was back then. Or you'll get the same response, but you won't know unless you give it a shot. Personally, I was always a huge fan any videos you made that covered new music from all genres. It's too easy to just keep going to the "fans also like" section on Spotify for new music, and just getting fed the same sound over and over. Your videos covering new music were a great way to for me to get recommendations outside of the Spotify algorithm.
"Say you love Limp Bizkit"😂
Personally I really liked your K-pop, Trap metal and pop videos. Would love to see more of that. I feel like you can help a lot of metal heads expand their minds. Like, you even got me to accept country. 😂
Woah.. good morning everyone 😅
2:46 hey now, to be honest you’re the reason I got into Trap Metal. Not all of it, sure some really is just hard to enjoy. But there’s some great things out there. I think Dogboy from Zillakilla falls into a really entertaining category
6:43 I was with you until this highly conflicting statement lol The blind following "NPC's" are exactly what created the issue for CJ and Alex, not the other way around.
You have to create a second channel that explicitly introduces modern music to middle aged dudes interested in learning. Those who bitch about non-nu metal and emo nostalgia content don't need to join, they can remain on this channel. It filters out those uninterested. Everyone gets what they want. The channel name would need to make the content clear.
I think that would be a very, very small audience