Stoicism & Buddhism are rather close, probably for historical reasons, the Greeks in the East were exposed to early Buddhism & many of them converted. Both strive to control their desires and emotions, to selflessly help others, and live in harmony whenever possible. That is what a Jedi should be. And this goes far deeper than wielding a light saber, as you said.
Exactly right! I don't mention Buddhism due to my lack of familiarity with it in comparison to Stoicism. The Jedi philosophy is certainly inspired by Buddhism as well.
@@VenatorsClass Much of their philosophy is Stoic and Buddhist-inspired, yes. Though their impact is pretty Christian in that they are perhaps living examples of those Jesus said would be capable of greater miracles than even he, if only their faith were doubtless and true. They know themselves as the Force made manifest. The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. They're essentially heroes of the faith. They also have to learn how to become like Christ by surrendering themselves to the will of the Force, ultimately earning the right to transcend death and preserve themselves as part of the Living Force. Anakin, as Jesus-analogous, also shoulders the story of the fall of mankind by paradoxically falling himself. Anakin only resurfaced when he saw Luke's(an Apostle, I guess?) ability to love had not been stifled by his Jedi training, but in fact reinforced by it. Turns out spirituality and religion are pretty cool, if not foundational when you engage them honestly and in good faith.
People are going insane in the comments my guy, but don't let it get to you. I mostly agree with what you said, the writers wanted to tell a story, but whenever the story conflicted with the lore, the lore lost every time. I don't mind seeing a flawed Jedi order, I don't mind the Jedi making rash decisions, but I do mind that being badly written, and this show was, there's no arguing this. And yes the deconstructed heroes trope is getting real old real fast.
Appreciate you! I agree. Still think that the Jedi as bad is a misread (who then is good?), but they could surely have made an interesting, well written show on that premise. The Acolyte is not that show.
To deconstruct, one has to properly understand what is being deconstructed. Otherwise, what we see is a classic case of "I can't make myself look good, so I will demean others." Such a trope indeed gets really old really quickly because it is immoral.
My first impression of a High Republic Jedi was from Jedi Survivor. He turned to the Dark side immediately, and it's later revealed he was jack ass in his era and he's a Jack ass now.
Yeah that guy was a prick he would benefited more if he work with Cal honestly I’m starting think Disney was gaslighting us that the high republic was era the Jedi at their best but really they ain’t that special.
I just had a horrible realization. Maybe pissing on George Lucas' legacy isn't just some accidental mismanagement, maybe they DO want to gradually turn longtime fans away because adults with a critical mind that don't buy that many toys anymore are a liability. They want new generations of fans who have never known a good story, they want kids hooked on merch, both physical and digital. They want kids who would pay to watch Darth Anakin teaming up with Ironman to fight Thanos and Yahweh.
Wait till you find out that SW fans being incredibly toxic is a major factor in Lucas selling SW to Disney and you have not changed at all and this is exactly what you get I hope you all stop making SW content bc you’re the loudest and most obnoxious voices so only the real fans remain. Remember fans attacked Lucas and Hayden and others relentlessly for years because they hated the prequels. Which to me, the prequels were always cool af and fk you all sucking the fun out of it, I will never forget nor forgive how nasty the internet was about the prequels when they first came out
They (Headland, et al) were in trouble in episode 3 when "Padawan did nothing" was home sick and could not control his emotions. Which led to him taking poison due to a further lack of control!
Lucas famously said that Jedi are “human”. Secondly this is a small minority (0.001%) of Jedi who’s deviation from the Jedis ideals lead to their destruction… that’s why it’s a story about them… comparing it to leadership in say Catholicism… a vast majority of monks do follow the teachings of Christianity but some do deviate from the teachings and those instances are the stories we hear about
You are correct - Jedi can make mistakes. However, the mistakes these characters make are the mistakes of regular people - they are emotion driven mistakes. The mistakes of the Jedi in the prequels (excluding Anakin) are driven by self-assuredness and complacency as opposed to emotions. I appreciate your comment - always good to hear other perspectives!
@@VenatorsClass once again you’re making generalizations about a whole group of people and the whole point is that this is about the mistakes of one or two Jedi… sol himself wanted to follow the Jedi ideals but his senior Jedi convinced him otherwise with logical arguements
I don't mean to generalize - I mean to express frustration these are the only (live action) Jedi stories we've gotten under Disney. I'm tired of it. The Jedi had a "legacy of failure" according to Luke in the Sequels, in spite of keeping the galaxy at peace for 1000 year. In The Acolyte, the Jedi are an oppressive force damn near abducting children. You can show the Jedi making mistakes, but if you *only* show the Jedi making mistakes and no longer adhering to their inherently good philosophy, I take issue with that.
not raelly the same. people will make mistakes due to arrogance or misinformation or simply not having all the possible information. A foolish man can be wiser than an intelligent man cause he may well know he doesn't know things, while the intelilgent man stubbornly thinks he knows everything. These are people just being literally sutpid or assholes in a very not jedi way. Like putting a force trained individual on a meager transport like that is like an officer letting a susepct keeping his weapons on hand. or them even presuming she is responsible rather than collecting data to determine where she was during the murder. She coudl have been on the other side of the inner rim when it happened. We aren't given actual information of where people are anywhere. Thee cover story at the end is so full of holes you couldn't fool a lobotomized Gamorrean. So no, nothing that happens in this series is a dcase of personal faults, they are alll acts of absolute Stupidity born of incompetent writing by people who are in fact not only foolish, but arrogant enough to think they know everything.
@@VenatorsClass The Jedi kept peace for a 1000 generations (A New Hope), not just 1000 years. Your point still remains. Clearly the Jedi teachings must have been authentic and effective to have lasted that long. I agree with your assertion the Acolyte shows members who not just made mistakes but fell from the Jedi teachings altogether.
I imagine Disney couldn't care less about the philosophy of Jedi. The understanding of the execs seems to end at: Light sabers + cool fights + force "magic" + awkwardly funny aliens = $$$
Perfect explanation by the way. I second what @heesoo18 said. You articulated the most glaring problem with the Acolyte. Personally, I don’t think the powers that be gives a frak. When people have power and influence, they get arrogant. A prime example is Mr. “Your Snoke theories suck “
From a fan perspective there's definitely some smugness emanating from Lucasfilm. Ironic the people who talk about "power and who is allowed to use it" wield it so smugly and seem gleeful so many hate it.
Ironically you showed how 2 of these Jedi are the same as the originals: Sol and Vernestra Rwoh are exactly like Qui-Gon Jinn, and Mace Windu. 4:45 Sol goes against his entire religion, and entire way of life, in order to protect Osha and keep her safe. Qui-Gon Jinn did the same thing with Anakin. He even threatened to quit the Jedi order and train Anakin himself. 3:38 Vernestra Rwoh is quick to anger, a very strict leader, and hates it when senator's get involved in the Jedi matters. Mace Windu was exactly the same: He hated senator Palpatine, he always show off his authority, to the point where all the other Jedi, except Yoda, feared him.
the shows potrayal of the jedi is far more realistic and accurate to the lore than the movies inwhere the jedi are shown through a far more biased lighting, look at the books, comics, and even legends material and see
@@VenatorsClass well the Jedi were never seen in the galaxy of star wars as heroes. They saw themselves like that. Others were intimidated by or afraid of them. The acolyte shows why. And you make it seem like the Jedi order wanted to attack the witches, you keep referring to them as the Jedi instead of saying what this particular group did. The council already told them not to bother the witches but 2 of the Jedi were compromised because they had emotion stakes in the matter. Sol wanted a Padawan and felt that Osha was being used by this covenant for evil intentions. Again, the Jedi order doesn't even know what happened. So to say the acolyte doesn't understand the Jedi is false. It was 2 Jedi who got too emotional given the circumstances and for a second were tempted by the dark side which is why Sol kills the twins mother. He was scared because his emotions got the best of him. Sol and his crew aren't an example of the Jedi, they're an example of how Jedi too can easily fall to the darkside even for a second when they are emotionally compromised. That's ALWAYS been a theme in star wars. Controlling one's emotions. That's why palpatine used padme to get to Anakin and han/Leia to get to Luke. They had emotional attachments to the ones they loved. Anytime a Jedi goes to the darkside, it's usually because of emotions. That's why they don't train anyone that's too old because they've already made attachments to the ppl around them. The reason is said you don't understand basic plot or storytelling is because we are not meant to choose sides in this situation. It's a screwed up situation. Should the Jedi have broken into the witch hideout because they see a vengeance. Again the council said no, so now it's up to the viewer to decide if these actions were justified. The show isn't trying to preach about how bad the Jedi were. It's about flaws. And it some ppl can own up to them. With Sol, he could never own up to the fact that he ruined these girls lives because he was so emotionally invested. Have you not seen TPM. Qui-gon is actively defiant of the council. "Qui gon defiance I sense in you, need that you do not". Anakin turned to the dark side because he felt the Jedi were hypocrites. They asked him to spy on a friend because they were worried he'd have too much power. They didn't even know palpatine was a sith, the Jedi just wanted to take power for themselves. When palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth plagueis, he makes it clear that the Jedi and sith are both the same. Not in morals, of course not, but in actions. Mace windu killed jango Fett after disarming him. The Jedi way would have been to cut off his arm and arrest him or leave him maimed, not to decapitate. Then mace windu is about to kill palpatine and take power. They are 2 sides of the same coin. Sure when obi wan and Yoda describe Jedi, they're only mentioning the good stuff and say they were peacekeepers, but they're both heavily biased. To most ppl in the galaxy, Jedi were to be feared. They can make you do anything if your mind is weak enough, and they're the judge, jury and executioners. Not every story is supposed to be a simple good vs evil story. We've seen that many times and it's gotten cliche. It seems that star wars fans can seem to grasp nuances. What would the Jedi do if they came across a covenant of dark side users who were being non violent? Do they still attack them because of the dark side? Then it brings to question why it's even called the darkside? Because the Jedi order is like all orders, it's corrupted, controlled, and functions more like a cult than anything else. That's why Anakin was created because the force was out of balance because the Jedi held a dangerous monopoly on the force by deciding who could wield what. The way you sound is like someone with a ten year old brain not understanding anything about star wars. Star wars isn't about good vs evil. It's a leftist propaganda movie criticizing America's expansion. The prequel trilogy criticizes right wing leadership and how that can turn into a dictatorship very easily. The sequels werent political at all sadly. The only bit I got was from last Jedi and the canto bite inhabitants who profit from the war. But Disney star wars biggest problem isn't story, it's the themes. The acolyte felt like a return to what George was doing. Political stories under the guise of children's entertainment. The idea of the Jedi and sith not being very different is directly from George himself. So again I don't think you understand star wars or the acolyte, let alone any type of story telling that requires nuance. It seems like you miss these nuances. Star wars ain't the series for ya, bud.
I think you're falling into the postmodern trap of deconstructing heroes. The Jedi are the good guys. The galaxy, for the most part, saw them as such. Lucas has said that the Jedi asked for children (not demanded) and were often given them out of respect. Their goal is to serve the force and serve others. This goal became increasingly entangled with politics by the time of the prequels and thus led to the rise of the Empire. When I say "the Jedi" I mean the philosophy of the Jedi as it truly is - not the current reality of the Jedi Order, that is a large distinction. A poorly ran Jedi Order is capable of producing Jedi that are not true Jedi (as is shown in The Acolyte). I think it's a stupid decision to show that - we've seen to a lesser extent what that looks like in the Prequels and the postmodern moral relativism twist every major media company seems to love bores me at this point. Let our heroes be heroes, give them huge challenges to face. Let them fail, let them get back up again. I think it's interesting you harp on nuance when this show has so little. Character motivations change whenever the script needs them to. No logical character development takes place. This script has no nuance as it has nothing but actions that proceed according to the needs of the writers. This show was as deep as a puddle. There is no nuance when it comes to good and evil. Not in Star Wars (in the real world perhaps). There is good and there is evil. To use the Dark Side is to corrupt oneself - it will consume you. Yoda says so. To debate otherwise is to create hypotheticals that exist outside of the Star Wars galaxy. Anakin's redemption is so special because he is the one character that breaks this mold. Palpatine is evil full stop. Luke journeys to become good and succeeds. If find it interesting you quote Palpatine as evidence that the Jedi and Sith are no different in actions. Is that not the trap he laid for Anakin to fall to the dark? Surely you can see that the Jedi and Sith *are* different in actions. To believe Palpatine is to believe evil lies. One side brings suffering, the other selflessness. It's a shame you feel the need to be pejorative. I'm okay with you having a different perspective than me. Debate begets truth.
@@VenatorsClass but again, you're kind of gatekeeping what star wars should be about. The Jedi in the show made a mistake. What's wrong with that? Indira was shown to have really good Jedi qualities and doesn't try to take the child at all. The only person that wanted to take the child was Sol because he was emotionally compromised. Yes Jedi are the heroes, but this isn't about that. This is about a good Jedi that couldn't own up to a mistake he made. The Jedi aren't perfect and you're asking for a version of them that has never existed in the films. Even in the og trilogy, the Jedi aren't the heroes. Luke is the hero. And he became the hero by mastering his emotions. But he never let go of his attachments. Which is why he wouldn't kill his father. Obi and Yoda lied to Luke because they didn't want Luke to go seek out Vader and fall into the darkside. Not because they cared for his safety. And Luke even calls them out for it. And what does obi say? From a certain point of view. And in episode 3, Anakin says the same thing to obi wan. I understand being tired of the deconstruction of heroes.....but that would be like hating Dune because the Harkonens is obviously evil. It's allabout execution, plot doesn't matter. Being caught up with the plot of something is stupid. Alfred Hitchcock once said that plot doesn't matter, what matters is getting your audience hooked to something. It's why Psycho is friggin genius. Once you start having a preference of how you want a story to be, you won't be satisfied. I'm not a fan of post modern or classic storytelling, I'm a fan of good storytelling. We've had thousands of years of stories where it's good guy vs bad guy. They got old and cliche. This post modern style is quite new by comparison. And not wanting something to be deconstructed speaks more about you rather than the ppl doing the deconstruction. If the show didn't entertain you, I'd rather know why rather than you gatekeeping what star wars or the Jedi are. Because eat that point you already aren't on bored with the direction, and my argument is stop caring about the friggin direction and watch the dang show. Because we really didn't get a true deconstruction of the jedi. This is one group that hid something that may have ramifications. Now if we saw Yoda telling them to destroy the witches or if we saw saying "cover this up we must", I'd understand what you were saying. Also about character motivations, Mae seemed like she was switching sides until qimir revealed himself, she then asks Osha to runaway with her, Osha refuses, she knocks out Osha and switched places. That was consistent. Again you just don't like deconstruction and you're gatekeeping what the Jedi should be and then claiming that star wars isn't a franchise that should be deconstructed......WHAT? Ppl have deconstructed star wars for over 50 yrs getting many different takes. Not everyone looks at it as a battle between good and evil. I personally see the og trilogy as a son redeeming the sins of his father. Others see it as rebels overthrowing an empire , others see it as an allegory for fascism, ppl like you see it as good vs evil. The point is that star wars has always had more depth than surface level stuff. The Jedi felt once you became a sith, you were dead to them. Remember obi wan told padme that he's looking for Anakin to kill him. That's why he and Yoda lost the war. They both went to their enemies and started the fight. Obi is the first to ignite his light saber. The only reason Anakin came back from the darkside is because his emotions. The same thing that brought him to the darkside, his attachments and emotions, were what brought him to the light. Again, it's all from a certain point of view.
@@mania4270I agree with you, Mania4270. My algorithm put this video like third in line and while I will not watch this video as I can sense every point attempting to be made, its simple: From certain points of view, the jedi are the good guys just like the Catholic Church are the good guys. From the view of the separatists the republic is corrupt and vice versa (especially to we the audience who know their head of state is a literal Sith Lord). We’ve seen Light vs Dark, Good vs Evil, and even a clueless Mandalorian fighting his peoples biggest appropriator. To say “Disney does not know Jedi” is a stretch in my very honest (and non-aggressive) opinion. That’s like saying whoever found Jesus teachings doesn’t know God.
I agree with @mania4270 . Like they said, Most of the issues with new Star Wars shows has to do with pacing. Eckhartsladder has often said the new Star Wars shows feel like 8 hour movies instead of tv shows and I agree. As mania said master Indara is an example of a Jedi doing the right thing. In my opinion a show where morality is fully one sided, light or dark, isn’t very interesting or compelling. And in my opinion Star Wars never was a story where you were either wholly good or evil, of course some characters are entirely one sided like palpatine, but there are many characters who go through changes in morality, take Han Solo or Anakin. I by no means think it’s a perfect show but I overall enjoyed it and was intrigued by what was going on. I believe it’s an overstep to say Kathleen Kennedy or others don’t understand “what Star Wars is about”. I believe all media is subjective and everyone will see it differently and get different things out of it. I feel that some people went into this show already hating it which I don’t understand. I think the show had real problems, the flashbacks should have been handled more efficiently so we could have had more time to get to know the characters in the present more, and at times the lighting seems really dark and kinda flat. If you don’t like the show that’s okay, but you don’t get to decide what stars is about, or who the Jedi are or are supposed to be for anyone but yourself. All media is subjective and it’s up to each individual to decide what it means to them. I hope none of this has come across as adversarial.
Glad you enjoyed it! Aside from my problems with the canon/lore, I thought it was predictable and very poorly paced (as you said) - resulting in it being a pretty boring watch for me. I think the points you make about subjectivity vs objectivity in media interpretation are really interesting - and there's a lot to talk about there. I certainly agree that everyone's opinion on art is subjective. But I don't know that art as a whole is subjective. I think it's possible to say that some art is objectively bad. What's the point of going to film school to learn, for example, lighting techniques if art is entirely subjective? Surely there are objective truths to make a movie have good lighting. I think we can say a movie is objectively bad if it fails in its main goal - which in *most* cases is telling a coherent story (not necessarily interesting as that is certainly subjective - but a story that makes sense, i.e. its events are logical within the context of the story). As for deciding what Star Wars is about, I've got a few points. First off, I'm basing my interpretation primarily of Lucas himself. Given Kennedy's remarks that her mission is to respect/honor George's story, it irks me that she does not do this at all. I'm not entirely sure where I conveyed that I'm making decisions as to what Star Wars is about. I'm sharing my opinion. I avoid saying "in my opinion" prior to many of my statements because (in my opinion, haha) it's self-evident. It must be my opinion as I'm saying it! The argument I'm making, that I believe to be based in objective truth, is that the Jedi were changed in this series away from their original vision. Yes, we see flawed Jedi in the prequels - but the nature of their flaws were fundamentally different. They were not flaws based on their inability to control emotion (Anakin the exception that proves the rule). The Jedi in this show are like boats getting a flat tire: it can't happen - one of the definitions is false. I enjoyed your points on subjectivity in media - they made me think. I do think it's worthwhile to challenge that perspective somewhat. "Everything is subjective" in the grandest of senses is often true, but also results in things very often being meaningless. I find using reason to break out of subjectivity and into objectivity far more compelling. Apologies for the long response. You touched on many things I've been thinking about of late. I have much more to say on it all than this disorganized blurb but I'll try to crystallize them into actual points (and eventually a video). Thanks for leaving your thoughts!
This maybe a hot take but I believe the prequels Jedi are better than the High Republic Jedi because it feels like overhyping them too much and can’t stand those white and gold outfits it just seems too vain for a Jedi.
That's an interesting take. Based on the new canon I think you're right - and they do seem vain. But I think it's foolish that the Jedi are portrayed this way -- their whole ideology is selflessness and serving others!
@@VenatorsClass Yeah I agree the Jedi philosophy and ideals are not wrong kinda tired of people criticizing them they are the only ones who keeping the peace and justice in the galaxy don’t see those other group like those witches helping the people in the galaxy. As for the High republic era sounds interesting concept but forgettable the writers call it the golden era of *peace* but I use the term peace loosely considering they are attack by space raiders Vikings called the Nhills which is weird considering I thought the Mandalorian are the space Vikings considering they follow a warrior code and have clans. The Jedi in that era base on the writers made them more knightly which they already are now with a mix of warrior monks and samurai but my only experience with the high republic era was in Jedi survivors and the acolyte both has terrible takes on the Jedi on that era one of them turn to the dark side and the others seems incompetent.
From a place of compassion; Sir, I strongly disagree with this video for the fact of all Jedi are not the same and the order itself is extremely flawed and the Bendu literally says a quote about “the knowledge we learn isn’t dangerous, but how we CHOOSE to use it” and prequel era (and high republic jedi) choose to wield their power with a Beskar fist. Not all of them are morally ambiguous, though!
Fair enough - I likely placed too much emphasis on the conformance of all Jedi to the truth of the philosophy. I simply feel that Disney has always portrayed the Jedi themselves as deeply flawed - as opposed to the individual Jedi (who can and will make mistakes). I think it's a bit of a tired deconstruction of a philosophy that's chief good is the flourishing of all life.
I wonder... if weren`t we that did not understood the jedi. stop to thing about it. the only narrative of the jedi being mights, good and a force of nature for the better is by the corrupted descriptions of obi wan and yoda to luke in the originals. the prequels and the sequels and every other matterial be by george or by disney show the jedi as hipocritical people with closed minds and large egos. they say thei live by a philosophy but did they? the closest to it we see is the jedi in the high council judging everything and being wrong about every decision they make in the story.
Interesting. It seems like you're taking a more practical reading of the Jedi, i.e. how they are in actuality whereas my reading is more how they should be. I think a series with a far tighter focus on that could have been interesting. With that said, I think that the whole "Jedi aren't actually good" bit has been overused and the world could use more examples of the Jedi being the selfless, helpful people their philosophy pushes them to be.
While the show was far from perfect, I actually love the way they portrayed the Jedi Order. Over a several generations, the Jedi as an order would most certainly change. I've always seen the Jedi as being similar to Japanese bushi/samurai. While the way was to be followed, few ever actually did. As for your final point, I've always thought trying to be a "purist" of Star Wars was folly. With a guy like Lucas as God, it's just a bunch of Stewjons waiting to happen.
Fair enough. Happy you enjoyed it. I merely think Disney is completely misinterpreting the philosophy of the Jedi and is making the Dark Side sympathetic - which is a morally bankrupt reading. Thanks for your comment - always appreciate other perspectives!
Different though is that every jedi is heavily influenced to be stoic and controlled. Basically you'd have less stuff like fat jedi or...... extremely stupid jedi. Its not even them being arrogant, they were actually stupid. There are a million contrivances in just the first episode. You'd be more accurate if you had a jedi who thinks their actions are better tahn a normal person and act on it, under the impressio ntheir skills will win the day for them. Not people arresting someone without even..... fucking checking if they were even near the murder. Far as we know the murder happened near corucant and she was at the other side of the inner rim. no one could get away that fast. there would be records on that trade ship too. And putting her on a stupid transport ship alone like that is......... yea.
This rant is someone who truly doesn’t understand the jedi like at all they100% are flawed they 100% let people get under their skin during the prequels 💀💀💀and they did make rash decisions and cover up for the sith. Literally in an episode of clone wars they found out dooku created the army and said they were going to cover up for the sake of the republic but i guess we forgot huh maybe it’s you who truly don’t understand star wars 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
Individual Jedi can be (and almost always are) flawed. However, Disney seems to only focus on the failings of the Jedi - and not the fact that the Jedi's philosophy is inherently good. The Jedi in The Acolyte did not conform to this philosophy at all and as such are not Jedi. The Jedi in The Prequels still attempted to conform to the philosophy but ultimately failed due to their entanglement in politics (and departure from their philosophy). The Jedi are good. May I remind you that Episode 6 is entitled "Return of The Jedi" not "Revision of the Jedi".
and again you missed the whole point of the jedi going back to the you truly don’t understand star wars 😂 the jedi were more like Sol than anything in the prequels they lost their way became slabes to the senate and did things all the time against their code lmao they weren’t trying to things the jedi way they were trying to do things the senates way surely a true fan would know that
@gbear0385 Lucas has made it repeatedly clear in his interviews and behind the scenes clips that he does not view the Jedi as wrong in the Prequels. He places the blame almost solely on Anakin’s shoulders for their destruction. They were clearly still meant to be showcased as good guys.
You shouldn't have such an entitled reply anyway, but he's right. I was going to mention qui-gon, but he did. This show is literauly sacrilegious to the way of the jedi. Also don't lol when you're not. It's stupid. Lol means laugh out loud. You're not laughing, you're just being fecescious. Qui-gon was one of the greatest jedi, better than yoda and Luke. No he wasn't the most powerful, but he was just a better JEDI. You probably don't even know about the Je Daii.
This UA-camr fails to realize that Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin all failed to adhere to the Jedi way. Obi-Wan lied to Luke and failed to tell him Vader was his father. Then Yoda did the same thing. Why lie to Luke? Then Anakin hid his relationship with Padme to all Jedi which ended up being his downfall. This youtuber has no idea what a Jedi is because Jedi have many flaws....let's just throw in the "Jedi" that became Inquisitors....oh yeah the Jedi are not perfect. Acolyte just exposed this in a more dramatic way. Very creative actually. Bring on Plagueis and season 2!!!!!!!!!
Individual Jedi can have flaws, yes (that helps make stories interesting). I disagree that the Jedi philosophy is inherently flawed. It places helping others and selflessness as its chief good. If we had also seen that side of the Jedi in The Acolyte, I would be far more amenable to this series. Disney continually portrays the Jedi as bad - which is a morally bankrupt point of view.
You have articulated what I could not about why the Acolyte bothered me so much. Very insightful.
Stoicism & Buddhism are rather close, probably for historical reasons, the Greeks in the East were exposed to early Buddhism & many of them converted. Both strive to control their desires and emotions, to selflessly help others, and live in harmony whenever possible.
That is what a Jedi should be. And this goes far deeper than wielding a light saber, as you said.
Exactly right! I don't mention Buddhism due to my lack of familiarity with it in comparison to Stoicism. The Jedi philosophy is certainly inspired by Buddhism as well.
@@VenatorsClass Much of their philosophy is Stoic and Buddhist-inspired, yes. Though their impact is pretty Christian in that they are perhaps living examples of those Jesus said would be capable of greater miracles than even he, if only their faith were doubtless and true. They know themselves as the Force made manifest. The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. They're essentially heroes of the faith.
They also have to learn how to become like Christ by surrendering themselves to the will of the Force, ultimately earning the right to transcend death and preserve themselves as part of the Living Force. Anakin, as Jesus-analogous, also shoulders the story of the fall of mankind by paradoxically falling himself. Anakin only resurfaced when he saw Luke's(an Apostle, I guess?) ability to love had not been stifled by his Jedi training, but in fact reinforced by it.
Turns out spirituality and religion are pretty cool, if not foundational when you engage them honestly and in good faith.
People are going insane in the comments my guy, but don't let it get to you. I mostly agree with what you said, the writers wanted to tell a story, but whenever the story conflicted with the lore, the lore lost every time. I don't mind seeing a flawed Jedi order, I don't mind the Jedi making rash decisions, but I do mind that being badly written, and this show was, there's no arguing this. And yes the deconstructed heroes trope is getting real old real fast.
Appreciate you! I agree. Still think that the Jedi as bad is a misread (who then is good?), but they could surely have made an interesting, well written show on that premise. The Acolyte is not that show.
To deconstruct, one has to properly understand what is being deconstructed. Otherwise, what we see is a classic case of "I can't make myself look good, so I will demean others." Such a trope indeed gets really old really quickly because it is immoral.
They understand well how to make Sith and Jedi look appealing with shirtless Jedi and naked Sith covered in body oil.
My first impression of a High Republic Jedi was from Jedi Survivor. He turned to the Dark side immediately, and it's later revealed he was jack ass in his era and he's a Jack ass now.
Yeah that guy was a prick he would benefited more if he work with Cal honestly I’m starting think Disney was gaslighting us that the high republic was era the Jedi at their best but really they ain’t that special.
I just had a horrible realization. Maybe pissing on George Lucas' legacy isn't just some accidental mismanagement, maybe they DO want to gradually turn longtime fans away because adults with a critical mind that don't buy that many toys anymore are a liability. They want new generations of fans who have never known a good story, they want kids hooked on merch, both physical and digital. They want kids who would pay to watch Darth Anakin teaming up with Ironman to fight Thanos and Yahweh.
A sad theory, to be sure. Every passing day it does look more credible though.
It’s that line of “don’t think just consume product and get excited for next product” ad nauseam.
............................................ people will buy toys if they like a series. they won't buy toys if they hate a series.
Wait till you find out that SW fans being incredibly toxic is a major factor in Lucas selling SW to Disney and you have not changed at all and this is exactly what you get I hope you all stop making SW content bc you’re the loudest and most obnoxious voices so only the real fans remain. Remember fans attacked Lucas and Hayden and others relentlessly for years because they hated the prequels. Which to me, the prequels were always cool af and fk you all sucking the fun out of it, I will never forget nor forgive how nasty the internet was about the prequels when they first came out
This trend is not restricted to Disney, although Disney is a particularly glaring example.
They (Headland, et al) were in trouble in episode 3 when "Padawan did nothing" was home sick and could not control his emotions. Which led to him taking poison due to a further lack of control!
They made the Jedi into a bunch of jackasses. They should have named it “Think the Jedi are cool? Look how moronic we can make them”.
Lucas famously said that Jedi are “human”. Secondly this is a small minority (0.001%) of Jedi who’s deviation from the Jedis ideals lead to their destruction… that’s why it’s a story about them… comparing it to leadership in say Catholicism… a vast majority of monks do follow the teachings of Christianity but some do deviate from the teachings and those instances are the stories we hear about
You are correct - Jedi can make mistakes. However, the mistakes these characters make are the mistakes of regular people - they are emotion driven mistakes. The mistakes of the Jedi in the prequels (excluding Anakin) are driven by self-assuredness and complacency as opposed to emotions. I appreciate your comment - always good to hear other perspectives!
@@VenatorsClass once again you’re making generalizations about a whole group of people and the whole point is that this is about the mistakes of one or two Jedi… sol himself wanted to follow the Jedi ideals but his senior Jedi convinced him otherwise with logical arguements
I don't mean to generalize - I mean to express frustration these are the only (live action) Jedi stories we've gotten under Disney. I'm tired of it. The Jedi had a "legacy of failure" according to Luke in the Sequels, in spite of keeping the galaxy at peace for 1000 year. In The Acolyte, the Jedi are an oppressive force damn near abducting children. You can show the Jedi making mistakes, but if you *only* show the Jedi making mistakes and no longer adhering to their inherently good philosophy, I take issue with that.
not raelly the same. people will make mistakes due to arrogance or misinformation or simply not having all the possible information. A foolish man can be wiser than an intelligent man cause he may well know he doesn't know things, while the intelilgent man stubbornly thinks he knows everything.
These are people just being literally sutpid or assholes in a very not jedi way. Like putting a force trained individual on a meager transport like that is like an officer letting a susepct keeping his weapons on hand. or them even presuming she is responsible rather than collecting data to determine where she was during the murder. She coudl have been on the other side of the inner rim when it happened. We aren't given actual information of where people are anywhere.
Thee cover story at the end is so full of holes you couldn't fool a lobotomized Gamorrean.
So no, nothing that happens in this series is a dcase of personal faults, they are alll acts of absolute Stupidity born of incompetent writing by people who are in fact not only foolish, but arrogant enough to think they know everything.
@@VenatorsClass The Jedi kept peace for a 1000 generations (A New Hope), not just 1000 years. Your point still remains. Clearly the Jedi teachings must have been authentic and effective to have lasted that long. I agree with your assertion the Acolyte shows members who not just made mistakes but fell from the Jedi teachings altogether.
Beautifully said, keep it up!
I imagine Disney couldn't care less about the philosophy of Jedi. The understanding of the execs seems to end at: Light sabers + cool fights + force "magic" + awkwardly funny aliens = $$$
Perfect explanation by the way. I second what @heesoo18 said. You articulated the most glaring problem with the Acolyte.
Personally, I don’t think the powers that be gives a frak. When people have power and influence, they get arrogant. A prime example is Mr. “Your Snoke theories suck “
From a fan perspective there's definitely some smugness emanating from Lucasfilm. Ironic the people who talk about "power and who is allowed to use it" wield it so smugly and seem gleeful so many hate it.
well said
Ironically you showed how 2 of these Jedi are the same as the originals: Sol and Vernestra Rwoh are exactly like Qui-Gon Jinn, and Mace Windu.
4:45 Sol goes against his entire religion, and entire way of life, in order to protect Osha and keep her safe. Qui-Gon Jinn did the same thing with Anakin. He even threatened to quit the Jedi order and train Anakin himself.
3:38 Vernestra Rwoh is quick to anger, a very strict leader, and hates it when senator's get involved in the Jedi matters. Mace Windu was exactly the same: He hated senator Palpatine, he always show off his authority, to the point where all the other Jedi, except Yoda, feared him.
the shows potrayal of the jedi is far more realistic and accurate to the lore than the movies inwhere the jedi are shown through a far more biased lighting, look at the books, comics, and even legends material and see
They're in it to make a buck not to actually play kate the fans
After watching this video, dude you don't understand the Jedi. Nor do you understand basic plot or storytelling.
Feel free to elaborate!
@@VenatorsClass well the Jedi were never seen in the galaxy of star wars as heroes. They saw themselves like that. Others were intimidated by or afraid of them. The acolyte shows why.
And you make it seem like the Jedi order wanted to attack the witches, you keep referring to them as the Jedi instead of saying what this particular group did. The council already told them not to bother the witches but 2 of the Jedi were compromised because they had emotion stakes in the matter. Sol wanted a Padawan and felt that Osha was being used by this covenant for evil intentions. Again, the Jedi order doesn't even know what happened. So to say the acolyte doesn't understand the Jedi is false. It was 2 Jedi who got too emotional given the circumstances and for a second were tempted by the dark side which is why Sol kills the twins mother. He was scared because his emotions got the best of him. Sol and his crew aren't an example of the Jedi, they're an example of how Jedi too can easily fall to the darkside even for a second when they are emotionally compromised. That's ALWAYS been a theme in star wars. Controlling one's emotions. That's why palpatine used padme to get to Anakin and han/Leia to get to Luke. They had emotional attachments to the ones they loved. Anytime a Jedi goes to the darkside, it's usually because of emotions. That's why they don't train anyone that's too old because they've already made attachments to the ppl around them.
The reason is said you don't understand basic plot or storytelling is because we are not meant to choose sides in this situation. It's a screwed up situation. Should the Jedi have broken into the witch hideout because they see a vengeance. Again the council said no, so now it's up to the viewer to decide if these actions were justified. The show isn't trying to preach about how bad the Jedi were. It's about flaws. And it some ppl can own up to them. With Sol, he could never own up to the fact that he ruined these girls lives because he was so emotionally invested.
Have you not seen TPM. Qui-gon is actively defiant of the council. "Qui gon defiance I sense in you, need that you do not". Anakin turned to the dark side because he felt the Jedi were hypocrites. They asked him to spy on a friend because they were worried he'd have too much power. They didn't even know palpatine was a sith, the Jedi just wanted to take power for themselves. When palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth plagueis, he makes it clear that the Jedi and sith are both the same. Not in morals, of course not, but in actions. Mace windu killed jango Fett after disarming him. The Jedi way would have been to cut off his arm and arrest him or leave him maimed, not to decapitate. Then mace windu is about to kill palpatine and take power. They are 2 sides of the same coin.
Sure when obi wan and Yoda describe Jedi, they're only mentioning the good stuff and say they were peacekeepers, but they're both heavily biased. To most ppl in the galaxy, Jedi were to be feared. They can make you do anything if your mind is weak enough, and they're the judge, jury and executioners.
Not every story is supposed to be a simple good vs evil story. We've seen that many times and it's gotten cliche. It seems that star wars fans can seem to grasp nuances. What would the Jedi do if they came across a covenant of dark side users who were being non violent? Do they still attack them because of the dark side? Then it brings to question why it's even called the darkside? Because the Jedi order is like all orders, it's corrupted, controlled, and functions more like a cult than anything else. That's why Anakin was created because the force was out of balance because the Jedi held a dangerous monopoly on the force by deciding who could wield what. The way you sound is like someone with a ten year old brain not understanding anything about star wars. Star wars isn't about good vs evil. It's a leftist propaganda movie criticizing America's expansion. The prequel trilogy criticizes right wing leadership and how that can turn into a dictatorship very easily.
The sequels werent political at all sadly. The only bit I got was from last Jedi and the canto bite inhabitants who profit from the war. But Disney star wars biggest problem isn't story, it's the themes. The acolyte felt like a return to what George was doing. Political stories under the guise of children's entertainment. The idea of the Jedi and sith not being very different is directly from George himself. So again I don't think you understand star wars or the acolyte, let alone any type of story telling that requires nuance. It seems like you miss these nuances. Star wars ain't the series for ya, bud.
I think you're falling into the postmodern trap of deconstructing heroes. The Jedi are the good guys. The galaxy, for the most part, saw them as such. Lucas has said that the Jedi asked for children (not demanded) and were often given them out of respect. Their goal is to serve the force and serve others. This goal became increasingly entangled with politics by the time of the prequels and thus led to the rise of the Empire.
When I say "the Jedi" I mean the philosophy of the Jedi as it truly is - not the current reality of the Jedi Order, that is a large distinction. A poorly ran Jedi Order is capable of producing Jedi that are not true Jedi (as is shown in The Acolyte). I think it's a stupid decision to show that - we've seen to a lesser extent what that looks like in the Prequels and the postmodern moral relativism twist every major media company seems to love bores me at this point. Let our heroes be heroes, give them huge challenges to face. Let them fail, let them get back up again.
I think it's interesting you harp on nuance when this show has so little. Character motivations change whenever the script needs them to. No logical character development takes place. This script has no nuance as it has nothing but actions that proceed according to the needs of the writers. This show was as deep as a puddle.
There is no nuance when it comes to good and evil. Not in Star Wars (in the real world perhaps). There is good and there is evil. To use the Dark Side is to corrupt oneself - it will consume you. Yoda says so. To debate otherwise is to create hypotheticals that exist outside of the Star Wars galaxy. Anakin's redemption is so special because he is the one character that breaks this mold. Palpatine is evil full stop. Luke journeys to become good and succeeds.
If find it interesting you quote Palpatine as evidence that the Jedi and Sith are no different in actions. Is that not the trap he laid for Anakin to fall to the dark? Surely you can see that the Jedi and Sith *are* different in actions. To believe Palpatine is to believe evil lies. One side brings suffering, the other selflessness.
It's a shame you feel the need to be pejorative. I'm okay with you having a different perspective than me. Debate begets truth.
@@VenatorsClass but again, you're kind of gatekeeping what star wars should be about. The Jedi in the show made a mistake. What's wrong with that? Indira was shown to have really good Jedi qualities and doesn't try to take the child at all. The only person that wanted to take the child was Sol because he was emotionally compromised. Yes Jedi are the heroes, but this isn't about that. This is about a good Jedi that couldn't own up to a mistake he made. The Jedi aren't perfect and you're asking for a version of them that has never existed in the films. Even in the og trilogy, the Jedi aren't the heroes. Luke is the hero. And he became the hero by mastering his emotions. But he never let go of his attachments. Which is why he wouldn't kill his father. Obi and Yoda lied to Luke because they didn't want Luke to go seek out Vader and fall into the darkside. Not because they cared for his safety. And Luke even calls them out for it. And what does obi say? From a certain point of view. And in episode 3, Anakin says the same thing to obi wan. I understand being tired of the deconstruction of heroes.....but that would be like hating Dune because the Harkonens is obviously evil. It's allabout execution, plot doesn't matter. Being caught up with the plot of something is stupid. Alfred Hitchcock once said that plot doesn't matter, what matters is getting your audience hooked to something. It's why Psycho is friggin genius. Once you start having a preference of how you want a story to be, you won't be satisfied. I'm not a fan of post modern or classic storytelling, I'm a fan of good storytelling. We've had thousands of years of stories where it's good guy vs bad guy. They got old and cliche. This post modern style is quite new by comparison. And not wanting something to be deconstructed speaks more about you rather than the ppl doing the deconstruction.
If the show didn't entertain you, I'd rather know why rather than you gatekeeping what star wars or the Jedi are. Because eat that point you already aren't on bored with the direction, and my argument is stop caring about the friggin direction and watch the dang show. Because we really didn't get a true deconstruction of the jedi. This is one group that hid something that may have ramifications. Now if we saw Yoda telling them to destroy the witches or if we saw saying "cover this up we must", I'd understand what you were saying.
Also about character motivations, Mae seemed like she was switching sides until qimir revealed himself, she then asks Osha to runaway with her, Osha refuses, she knocks out Osha and switched places. That was consistent.
Again you just don't like deconstruction and you're gatekeeping what the Jedi should be and then claiming that star wars isn't a franchise that should be deconstructed......WHAT? Ppl have deconstructed star wars for over 50 yrs getting many different takes. Not everyone looks at it as a battle between good and evil. I personally see the og trilogy as a son redeeming the sins of his father. Others see it as rebels overthrowing an empire , others see it as an allegory for fascism, ppl like you see it as good vs evil. The point is that star wars has always had more depth than surface level stuff. The Jedi felt once you became a sith, you were dead to them. Remember obi wan told padme that he's looking for Anakin to kill him. That's why he and Yoda lost the war. They both went to their enemies and started the fight. Obi is the first to ignite his light saber. The only reason Anakin came back from the darkside is because his emotions. The same thing that brought him to the darkside, his attachments and emotions, were what brought him to the light. Again, it's all from a certain point of view.
@@mania4270I agree with you, Mania4270. My algorithm put this video like third in line and while I will not watch this video as I can sense every point attempting to be made, its simple: From certain points of view, the jedi are the good guys just like the Catholic Church are the good guys. From the view of the separatists the republic is corrupt and vice versa (especially to we the audience who know their head of state is a literal Sith Lord). We’ve seen Light vs Dark, Good vs Evil, and even a clueless Mandalorian fighting his peoples biggest appropriator. To say “Disney does not know Jedi” is a stretch in my very honest (and non-aggressive) opinion. That’s like saying whoever found Jesus teachings doesn’t know God.
well said!
I agree with @mania4270 . Like they said, Most of the issues with new Star Wars shows has to do with pacing. Eckhartsladder has often said the new Star Wars shows feel like 8 hour movies instead of tv shows and I agree. As mania said master Indara is an example of a Jedi doing the right thing. In my opinion a show where morality is fully one sided, light or dark, isn’t very interesting or compelling. And in my opinion Star Wars never was a story where you were either wholly good or evil, of course some characters are entirely one sided like palpatine, but there are many characters who go through changes in morality, take Han Solo or Anakin. I by no means think it’s a perfect show but I overall enjoyed it and was intrigued by what was going on. I believe it’s an overstep to say Kathleen Kennedy or others don’t understand “what Star Wars is about”. I believe all media is subjective and everyone will see it differently and get different things out of it. I feel that some people went into this show already hating it which I don’t understand. I think the show had real problems, the flashbacks should have been handled more efficiently so we could have had more time to get to know the characters in the present more, and at times the lighting seems really dark and kinda flat. If you don’t like the show that’s okay, but you don’t get to decide what stars is about, or who the Jedi are or are supposed to be for anyone but yourself. All media is subjective and it’s up to each individual to decide what it means to them. I hope none of this has come across as adversarial.
Glad you enjoyed it! Aside from my problems with the canon/lore, I thought it was predictable and very poorly paced (as you said) - resulting in it being a pretty boring watch for me.
I think the points you make about subjectivity vs objectivity in media interpretation are really interesting - and there's a lot to talk about there. I certainly agree that everyone's opinion on art is subjective. But I don't know that art as a whole is subjective. I think it's possible to say that some art is objectively bad. What's the point of going to film school to learn, for example, lighting techniques if art is entirely subjective? Surely there are objective truths to make a movie have good lighting.
I think we can say a movie is objectively bad if it fails in its main goal - which in *most* cases is telling a coherent story (not necessarily interesting as that is certainly subjective - but a story that makes sense, i.e. its events are logical within the context of the story).
As for deciding what Star Wars is about, I've got a few points. First off, I'm basing my interpretation primarily of Lucas himself. Given Kennedy's remarks that her mission is to respect/honor George's story, it irks me that she does not do this at all.
I'm not entirely sure where I conveyed that I'm making decisions as to what Star Wars is about. I'm sharing my opinion. I avoid saying "in my opinion" prior to many of my statements because (in my opinion, haha) it's self-evident. It must be my opinion as I'm saying it!
The argument I'm making, that I believe to be based in objective truth, is that the Jedi were changed in this series away from their original vision. Yes, we see flawed Jedi in the prequels - but the nature of their flaws were fundamentally different. They were not flaws based on their inability to control emotion (Anakin the exception that proves the rule). The Jedi in this show are like boats getting a flat tire: it can't happen - one of the definitions is false.
I enjoyed your points on subjectivity in media - they made me think. I do think it's worthwhile to challenge that perspective somewhat. "Everything is subjective" in the grandest of senses is often true, but also results in things very often being meaningless. I find using reason to break out of subjectivity and into objectivity far more compelling.
Apologies for the long response. You touched on many things I've been thinking about of late. I have much more to say on it all than this disorganized blurb but I'll try to crystallize them into actual points (and eventually a video). Thanks for leaving your thoughts!
This maybe a hot take but I believe the prequels Jedi are better than the High Republic Jedi because it feels like overhyping them too much and can’t stand those white and gold outfits it just seems too vain for a Jedi.
That's an interesting take. Based on the new canon I think you're right - and they do seem vain. But I think it's foolish that the Jedi are portrayed this way -- their whole ideology is selflessness and serving others!
@@VenatorsClass Yeah I agree the Jedi philosophy and ideals are not wrong kinda tired of people criticizing them they are the only ones who keeping the peace and justice in the galaxy don’t see those other group like those witches helping the people in the galaxy. As for the High republic era sounds interesting concept but forgettable the writers call it the golden era of *peace* but I use the term peace loosely considering they are attack by space raiders Vikings called the Nhills which is weird considering I thought the Mandalorian are the space Vikings considering they follow a warrior code and have clans. The Jedi in that era base on the writers made them more knightly which they already are now with a mix of warrior monks and samurai but my only experience with the high republic era was in Jedi survivors and the acolyte both has terrible takes on the Jedi on that era one of them turn to the dark side and the others seems incompetent.
This narrator is as wrong as Kathleen Kennedy is
From a place of compassion; Sir, I strongly disagree with this video for the fact of all Jedi are not the same and the order itself is extremely flawed and the Bendu literally says a quote about “the knowledge we learn isn’t dangerous, but how we CHOOSE to use it” and prequel era (and high republic jedi) choose to wield their power with a Beskar fist. Not all of them are morally ambiguous, though!
Fair enough - I likely placed too much emphasis on the conformance of all Jedi to the truth of the philosophy. I simply feel that Disney has always portrayed the Jedi themselves as deeply flawed - as opposed to the individual Jedi (who can and will make mistakes). I think it's a bit of a tired deconstruction of a philosophy that's chief good is the flourishing of all life.
thing is we aren't looking at them being forceful. its them being literally stupid.
I wonder... if weren`t we that did not understood the jedi. stop to thing about it. the only narrative of the jedi being mights, good and a force of nature for the better is by the corrupted descriptions of obi wan and yoda to luke in the originals. the prequels and the sequels and every other matterial be by george or by disney show the jedi as hipocritical people with closed minds and large egos. they say thei live by a philosophy but did they? the closest to it we see is the jedi in the high council judging everything and being wrong about every decision they make in the story.
Interesting. It seems like you're taking a more practical reading of the Jedi, i.e. how they are in actuality whereas my reading is more how they should be. I think a series with a far tighter focus on that could have been interesting. With that said, I think that the whole "Jedi aren't actually good" bit has been overused and the world could use more examples of the Jedi being the selfless, helpful people their philosophy pushes them to be.
While the show was far from perfect, I actually love the way they portrayed the Jedi Order. Over a several generations, the Jedi as an order would most certainly change. I've always seen the Jedi as being similar to Japanese bushi/samurai. While the way was to be followed, few ever actually did. As for your final point, I've always thought trying to be a "purist" of Star Wars was folly. With a guy like Lucas as God, it's just a bunch of Stewjons waiting to happen.
Fair enough. Happy you enjoyed it. I merely think Disney is completely misinterpreting the philosophy of the Jedi and is making the Dark Side sympathetic - which is a morally bankrupt reading. Thanks for your comment - always appreciate other perspectives!
Different though is that every jedi is heavily influenced to be stoic and controlled. Basically you'd have less stuff like fat jedi or...... extremely stupid jedi.
Its not even them being arrogant, they were actually stupid. There are a million contrivances in just the first episode. You'd be more accurate if you had a jedi who thinks their actions are better tahn a normal person and act on it, under the impressio ntheir skills will win the day for them. Not people arresting someone without even..... fucking checking if they were even near the murder.
Far as we know the murder happened near corucant and she was at the other side of the inner rim. no one could get away that fast. there would be records on that trade ship too. And putting her on a stupid transport ship alone like that is......... yea.
This rant is someone who truly doesn’t understand the jedi like at all they100% are flawed they 100% let people get under their skin during the prequels 💀💀💀and they did make rash decisions and cover up for the sith. Literally in an episode of clone wars they found out dooku created the army and said they were going to cover up for the sake of the republic but i guess we forgot huh maybe it’s you who truly don’t understand star wars 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
Individual Jedi can be (and almost always are) flawed. However, Disney seems to only focus on the failings of the Jedi - and not the fact that the Jedi's philosophy is inherently good. The Jedi in The Acolyte did not conform to this philosophy at all and as such are not Jedi. The Jedi in The Prequels still attempted to conform to the philosophy but ultimately failed due to their entanglement in politics (and departure from their philosophy). The Jedi are good. May I remind you that Episode 6 is entitled "Return of The Jedi" not "Revision of the Jedi".
@@VenatorsClass wth do you think George Lucas did lmao that’s the entire thing of the prequels the jedi were never shown as the good guys
and again you missed the whole point of the jedi going back to the you truly don’t understand star wars 😂 the jedi were more like Sol than anything in the prequels they lost their way became slabes to the senate and did things all the time against their code lmao they weren’t trying to things the jedi way they were trying to do things the senates way surely a true fan would know that
@gbear0385 Lucas has made it repeatedly clear in his interviews and behind the scenes clips that he does not view the Jedi as wrong in the Prequels. He places the blame almost solely on Anakin’s shoulders for their destruction. They were clearly still meant to be showcased as good guys.
Lol how wrong u are about this topic but a put out your opinion 🤔 u entitled to it.
You shouldn't have such an entitled reply anyway, but he's right. I was going to mention qui-gon, but he did. This show is literauly sacrilegious to the way of the jedi. Also don't lol when you're not. It's stupid. Lol means laugh out loud. You're not laughing, you're just being fecescious. Qui-gon was one of the greatest jedi, better than yoda and Luke. No he wasn't the most powerful, but he was just a better JEDI. You probably don't even know about the Je Daii.
@@giggitycore1982 😂 idc about a non canon order. cry to Mama not to me cuz u also entitled to your wrong opinion if u have 1.
@godkingsosa6811 an opinion doesn't need an emotion to follow. So am I crying or can I have an opinion?
The most terrible Star Wars series yet.
It's close for me between this and Obi Wan.
This UA-camr fails to realize that Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin all failed to adhere to the Jedi way. Obi-Wan lied to Luke and failed to tell him Vader was his father. Then Yoda did the same thing. Why lie to Luke? Then Anakin hid his relationship with Padme to all Jedi which ended up being his downfall. This youtuber has no idea what a Jedi is because Jedi have many flaws....let's just throw in the "Jedi" that became Inquisitors....oh yeah the Jedi are not perfect. Acolyte just exposed this in a more dramatic way. Very creative actually. Bring on Plagueis and season 2!!!!!!!!!
Individual Jedi can have flaws, yes (that helps make stories interesting). I disagree that the Jedi philosophy is inherently flawed. It places helping others and selflessness as its chief good. If we had also seen that side of the Jedi in The Acolyte, I would be far more amenable to this series. Disney continually portrays the Jedi as bad - which is a morally bankrupt point of view.
Me and all my homies gunna downvote this video so it won’t appear in the 4U page anymore. Rage bait
They made the Jedi into a bunch of jackasses. They should have named it “Think the Jedi are cool? Look how moronic we can make them”.