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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2019
- This evening I worked at Neighbor Cliffs as we installed some ProFlex No Dig Landscape Edging. The edging I think will work pretty well but the plastic nails are not very useful in our soils with shale. Equipment used today was the RK 24 Subcompact Tractor, The 2019 F 150, and the Moritz Dump Trailer
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As mentioned by others I've installed this type of edging several times and had similar problems and also used 10-12" galvanized spikes. These will eventually rust heavily and swell holding them in place for a long time. Also when needed cut 2" pvc to balance height needed and put under tabs before nailing them back fill along one side and then other. Got to say wasn't sure about watching last video, but after viewing it was glad I did. You guys have come to be like friends to me (especially since we're all from Pa.) and it was nice to see how all of you carry out your day.
You can get those aluminum nails that they use for installing gutters on a house. They work pretty good for what you are doing. That is what I used when doing my edging.
Useful into! Thanks for the tip
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Steel spikes work perfectly.
I used a similar product with plastic spikes. The biggest problem was trying to find a hole that wasn't blocked by rocks when installing. Now the problem is they heave out of the ground with the freeze/thaw cycle. I remember watching this old house and they said metal spikes are better since they end up rusting a little and then make a bond with the ground. Awesome looking pool area, Cliff! You guys have really put some work in on it.
That edging is nice. Used it on several projects. The plastic spikes were a problem for me too. I ended up using tember spikes. They have worked great for me.
I just used this pro flex edging for a large backyard landscape project similar to what you are doing here and had no problems using the plastic nails WITHOUT the spiral shank. The solid plastic ones I found at Home Depot were very strong. I still had the problem of hitting rock and having to move the nail. But I didn’t have one break. The non spiral shank seems to be thicker and a lot more resilient and believe me, I pounded the hell out of them!
I used edging similar in design.For the most part it held up great,but with our freeze and thaw and frost heave here in Colorado ,I found some did buckle out of line over time.Some of it had been down for 20+ years. I removed 3/4 of what edging that I put down,and went a different route,I did save the cross shaped spikes used to hold it in place,to re purpose for something else.
I have used them before and we have clay, used my hammer drill to pre-drill the holes before driving the plastic stacks and it worked well.
Hey mike landscape spikes work best that or re bar did landscape for 14 year before my stroke love your vids those are paver edging come in straight runs as well not just the flex
Mike I used that same edging a while back. I bought steel spikes worked great. Of course this is Southern California. Hard dirt but very little rain. God bless
My house is surrounded with that edging. It's easy to install and works great!
Mike you have all the fun tools to get the job done..... Thanks for sharing...
Neighbor cliffs place is really looking good. And little sherman is a very handy machine. Nice job. Yall HAVE A DAY👍👍👍👍👍
Mike I use this product for keeping pavers nice and tight together. I think that's why its a 1 3/4 high.
Finally ….. Mt Vernon Indiana (SW of Evansville In) is getting some cooler weather. We finally had a good rain come through and with it came some 50-60 degree weather. Feel like getting out and work in the yard now. I always enjoy watching your firewood episodes.
Installed new 6” plastic edging this spring. Instead of digging used a pole saw to cut the thin line needed. For the price of two cheap 10” chains it can’t be beat. Thankful our soil isn’t rocky like yours.
How deep did you "cut" the ground? Is the edging just flat, with no back support like in this video? Thanks.
Interesting set-up & installation. Thanks for getting back to me.
Hi Mike, kind of new here enjoy your vids ! This would work well where we live but I am with you in thinking it might be better if it was little taller. Keep up the great work.
The metal tent stakes would work great. Some places you can find them at a really good price.
I used that edging around the pavers I used at my firepit. It looks good but those plastic spikes were useless here in New Hampshire. The ground is too bony.
Ok, everybody else gave their 2 cents so here's mine what about 1/4" galvanized lag bolts maybe 6" or 8" long. Run them in with your impact driver rather than pounding in.
I used 12” steel spikes. Galvanised coated spikes contain zinc, which seeps into the soil and will kill any nearby plants.
Installed some of that 1 3/4 inch edging for walkway from porch steps to fence line, think I should pull that up and grab something taller. Centipede grass is as thick if not thicker than edging is. Grows over it and is a bummer trimming it. Used steel staples in soil here over the fabric - worked well but still need taller edging. Looking Good and that will be a great edging round the pool pad.
That's awesome Melissa shares a Birthday with my mom!
Mike, it's 1 3/4" so it will hold pavers in place and not go above them. I used that edging around my firepit with the pavers but for the stone around my house I used 6" wide 5/4 decking and drove grade stakes in and stood the decking on it's edge and screwed them to the grade stakes. I then put the weed block in and then the crushed stone. it helps keep the house cleaner and the ants don't like to cross the rocks to get to your house.
I like the fact that you're being neighborly that something is really missed these days everybody else's I'll hurry up and do what I need to do that's one reason I like your videos you're a lot like I try to be
The best is a 1 foot or wider strip of 2"- 3” thick concrete under the fence. A little more work but it works/lasts and looks good. Been there done that. Getting some cool weather in Texas....had a fire in my wood stove out in the garage. Didn't really need it but had an itch to smell some oak burning and it really made the coffee taste good! Take care!
we did the same, concrete it will last a life time and we stained it same color as the fence.
Hi mike. I do some landscaping as a hobby. I use metal spikes to hold edging in place. 8 or 10 inches.
Mike, great and informative videos.
Question I am right now installing the NO DIG EDGING how many metal spikes do you use in a foot of the edging?.
Thank you.
Not a huge fan of plastic edging but it does the job.
I was wondering if you had enough room to roll the bucket and dump the rock but it worked out great! 👍🏻
Aluminum tent pegs work great as well as gutter spikes maybe a bit long.
Adding the plastic sheeting to cover the ground will also as well as contain the pebbles it will also stop weed growing . Could you not have gotten "metal tent pegs" for the edging. great job guys
Mike we always use a metal spike usually 12 inch it will go through rocky soil can get at home depot costs around 89 cents each, but they work great
As for your trailer instead of Ringo liner out in Wyoming we get a flat hard plastic the plastic is white or black 1/2 to 3/4inch thick can use carage bolts to hold down on floor of the bed, out where you at should find pretty easy give a try I think you would like it
Hi i know this is a older video but what is that weed barrier you are using where can I get some of that looks nice and thick. Thanks
Have you guys thought about chipping all your branches and selling it for landscaping, flower beds, things like that? It’s a fairly popular thing here. Great videos 👍
That really looks nice around then pool
I'm glad I'll be getting steel spikes or even some pencil rod to make my own spikes
I did a video on my channel making a patio, I like that edging for the pavers, HATED those nails. I just ended up using Galvanized landscape spikes.
Liked it. Did it myself here in SE Ohio.
I typed into the Moritz Trailers find a dealership near you and Truro came up. Fantastic I thought, Cornwall, that's only just over 3 hours from here. Then I noticed it was Nova Scotia, Canada! Google maps didn't want to help me with that one and I'm not sure my old truck would either 😂
Michael, I didn't realize you were Italian. You gotta keep both hands on the wheel while driving in traffic. Glad to see the Moritz looks used, bed has some scratches from hauling rocks. Melissa has been doing a great job, nominating her for MVP
I really wanted to know how to bend the Proflex. Guy at Home Depot said to cut it and bend it. I cut it....it bent somewhere else down the line. Kinda frustrated right now....but I’ll figure it out. Thanks for the video
Looks great. Wow! Hitting that 100K mark sure gets you more commercials...
I found that the rubber Mallet worked much better for the plastic spikes, but our soil is much softer here. You can't go wrong with galvanized metal spikes though.
Best landescape edging powder coated Black finish sell it at Lowe’s 8ft length & Height great also keeps stone in place just great stuff to use.
We had a guy come in and put down a decretive concrete curbing. Looks great and he had a machine that formed it. Then landscape fabric with 4” of rock. We still have to pick weeds and grass periodically. There does not seem to be a perfect solution. Cliff’s project is really shaping up.
I used the same product in my yard this summer and in my soil it worked fine. But one thing I did different I put the product on top of the felt to hold that down better.
Looking good Mike... I agree, the plastic spikes are worthless. Once the topsoil packs in against the edging, it shouldn't ever move. I think 3" tall edging would have been a better choice too...
Bill on the Hill... :~)
Mike's early comment regarding Melissa's appearance and physical fitness:. "she does a really good job with that and I'm very appreciative".
Sometimes, us guys don't always put into the best words what we are really feeling and thinking. Translation here is:. "My wife is an amazingly beautiful, stunning and strong woman, and I worship the ground she walks on."!!!
Don't worry, Mike. We all suffer the same problem.🤭
Yep, I cringed when he used the word "appreciative" .
I’m riding the fence on Mr. Bradley’s comments. No question that his wording is the most eloquent, but that’s not words that I see Mike saying... ever. He’s a very simple, honest and down to earth guy and I suspect he has always been that way. Assuming I’m correct, I’m guessing his comments are sincere and heartfelt to Melissa because that’s her man and she knows him.
I think it’s a big deal for Mike to genuinely acknowledge all the work she does and be beautiful while doing it.
Not to mention he shares thiz wonderful gum chewer WITH US!!!
Never used that type of edging but everything you said made complete sense, as usual! Love the dump trailer, do the sell them in England?
Not sure
@5:40 What would you recommend besides the 8 inch plastic stakes/nails? I am working with a foundation that is mostly lose boulders covered by red cinder only a couple inches deep at best. I would like to use a product like this but I would need something around 3 or 4 inches in length. What would you recommend?
If you can’t find metal nails you could get a masonry bit a little smaller than the plastic nail and drill before you drive your nail
Just viewing this video ,it is January 19, 2020 Happy Birthday Melissa
I know this might be difficult😬, but what song is playing at the beginning of this video. We can't find it anywhere. Woohoo for the new grandbaby and 100K!❤️
I have the same edging and never used it with landscape fabric at the same time. I was trying to find an answer on whether to put the fabric on top of the tabs before staking, or keep the tabs exposed on top of the fabric when staking. The instructions for the product said to install the landscape fabric first and stake the edging down on top of it. However, I see you have installed it so the tabs are tucked under the fabric. I'm not sure it will make much difference. But do you have any insight into one way being better than the other?
Hey Mike, you’re right about the height needing to be around 3” - 3 1/2” and definitely needs metal spikes for hard ground. Those plastic nails would work fine where the ground isn’t shale or really rocky material but you need to check your area. You will be able to use the plastic ones around a tree maybe? That trailer is definitely worth the price and will get used a lot ! You all are doing a great job around your house and neighborhood! Keep up the good work and videos, Melissa is doing great videos too. We appreciate all of you folks.
I’ve used this product at our home, absolutely terrible product that gets wavy after the sun beats on it for a year or so. I’m getting ready to take it out. It’s designed as a paver retention product for walk ways and patios.
I use galvanized 8 inch deck nails instead of the plastic spikes with this edging. 50 lb box at Home Depot for ~$75.00.
The best edging I found is the metal ones sold at Lowe’s in brown and green.....they have metal spikes and they hold up very well.
That stuff is junk .
I didnt see one break in the run. was that all one strip?? I'm looking for tips on how to join two strips on a long run.
May have been suggested...tent stakes from a sporting goods store.
Galvanized Twist Spikes 👍🏼
For easier soils - Aluminum 8” -10” Gutter Nails/ and Landscape Timbers w-minor predrilling❕
the Aluminum Spikes if appropriate, are Much Cheaper ! just a hat tip.
Finally, video of the struggle of having a yard with rocks.....frustrating for sure
Ya was wondering where you get the weed barrier fabric and name of it thanks.
Mike try smiling. We all subsribers love your program
Great vid. I am planning a project similar to what you're doing, so this was an excellent tutorial. One question: I assume that two cubic yards of stone was loaded into the truck. Was that enough to complete the project? Thanks for taking the time to tape this.
Here in Alabama we had to do the same thing about using cheap plastic nails.
Nice good job
You can also wet it a day before for easily installing but still harder nails are better.
Very informative, I will be doing this around my pool in the spring thanks to your information. Thanks!
What kind of weed barrier did you use? Looks like it will definitely keep the weeds out. You seemed to list everything but that
I used tent pegs and it worked well.
Your last tap is forcing the head off the spike. Leave it one tap short and you'll be just fine. Also, as many have noted, you can predrill holes with a long, thin metal spike.
I know this is way past the time you did this job but they make galvanized landscape spikes that would have worked. I used to make the wire they made the spikes out of.
Mike , start a hole with a long rebar ,a little smaller the the nails !
Thanks Huck Miller, Same comment from me. Mike- It's rocky here too. Use rebar to 'predrill' the hole.
A+ Mike your right those plastic spike suck.
Should you not able to get any galvanized spike, I suggest to use a long galvanize spike to pre-create the hole, pull it out and the pound in the plastic spikes
I have the same edging and also had the same problem with my plastic nails... I ended up using the long gutter nails and it was a lot better..... looking nice
job's done now, but it seems like you have to lightly tap the stakes at the end, or just buy metal stakes.
Lowe’s sells metal spikes the same size as those plastic ones and they don’t break. It’s dumb that they include plastic spikes like that.
Use 8” beam nails. They’ll cost about 75¢ apiece. Non galvanized will start rusting and form a rust ball for better holding.
Would use 6" Galvanised steel nails
I've used this product a few times. You think I would learn my lesson. It does not work at all on any kind of slope. Expensive and cheaply made. The color is nice. :)
steel landscape spikes will work better, and i think i would definitely till up a lot of that yard to level and smooth it some..
@ 2:53. Nice signage. 👍🏻👍🏻
What landscape fabric are you using?
Maybe try aluminum gutter spikes instead of the plastic spikes?
Your soil sounds like it's cement. Maybe next time you could pre drill the holes and then still use the plastic nails.
Miliisa looks pretty good for forty!
Landscaping spikes or rebar .?? Could put a j bend on one end of rebar but you'd need a heat source to bend it.
Mike get stihl to let you try a bed redefiner!
I used nails for gutters with a washer
Plastic spikes ? wow. They look like they have a twist drill impression on them, is that the case?
Not sure if this was mentioned yet. Don't drive it all the way down and pop the head off. If it's not all the way down thats ok. The river rock will prevent the felt and border from going anywhere.
Nice job! Unfortunately, I think trimming with the weed eater will still need to be done, unless he uses Roundup.
Galvanised or stainless 14g bugle screws with a washer then use your impact driver, you're right, plastic nails don't sound right at all. Or you could drill a hole for the nail, that might work.
Plastic is good for a lot if things but I guess for nails in hard ground not so much!!👍👊
I had no issues with the plastic spikes but the directions specifically say to use a rubber mallet.. looks like you are not using a rubber mallet.. so that could be why they are breaking on you.
Maybe some galvanized landescape timber nails would work?
We had galvanized spikes not these 'tempered' ones that were not properly heat treated. Crazy product. Are they plastic - ugh. Put in steel and they rust and bulge out deep down to hold tight in time.
10" landscape / landscape timber spikes, same diameter as the fake plastic spikes [those should be outlawed in Cali with plastic straws ;-) ]
YEA SHOULD USE CARDBOARD LIKE JUICE BOX TYPE STRAWS LOL
I used 8" spike nails. Same diameter, easy peasy.
I use galvanized landscape nails even in sandy Florida soil. They work much better and have lasted 20 years so far.
Interesting video Mike.
*Note- when dumping your trailer.....I had a HD 1ton with a 14’ dump trailer...had parking brake on with a heavy load. As I dumped the load came right out BUT it pushed my truck and trailer about the length of the trailer! Thank goodness I always try to park straight!
So Mike I noticed you had a slight angle when you dumped, so be careful. That would not be pretty to jack knife, wrecks your day.
12:20 Seems like some gutter nails and possibly washers if needed might be a better idea for nailing down the edging with dense soil like that.