I did this myself for about $100 and it looks just as good. With careful planning and research you can save a ton and get great results. Its really not hard. Practice on a few feet and the rest is your finished product. DIY is always the way to go when it comes to this simple work.
Not every man is built the same. A determined woman could do this work at her homestead. Yes I agree with planning out everything, layout, leveling ground, material estimate, tools needed, and a curb machine, or a game plan on how to get mortar in its place, finally, troweling the finish product. The guys in video make it look easy, cause they do it almost everyday, but doing everything by yourself, and how far you have to pour is different, THIS 4MAN CREW WILL LEAVE IT 100 TIMES BETTER THAN A DIY homeowner, but I understand cause I’m the same type homeowner that usually will do everything myself Hands down
@@jamesvasquez6280 100x better is a pretty big stretch. 2x better, sure. It's just a simple concrete job, there's nothing special going on here. If there was, 4 men wouldn't labor all day for the meager sum they charged... after materials and other overhead, that's a pretty small pie to slice. With the biggest slice going to the owner...
I was raised a DIY'er, I grew up watching my dad labor like a mule to do work a pro could do in an afternoon. I have been struggling to pay the pros to do some of the work I have no need to buy the tools for or learn the skill. Good job hiring the pros on this one. Looks great.
Well as a female single in her early 30s trying to fix up their house.. I can't even pay anyone to do a job.. they keep asking me they need to talk to the owner 🙄 and they repeat the prices to me like I didn't hear the one two three other times 😒 So I been taking my time doing a lot of you tubing reading comments is key cuz some no it all might no more informative information. And I've just been working on things myself. And my next project is I'm gonna do my own curb.
Thank you for putting out the content that you do and being as transparent as possible. As a new homeowner your videos have truly helped when it comes to caring for my landscaping - lawn, etc. In this particular video, thank you for sharing the cost of the work. It gives your viewers an idea of how much it cost to do that or something similar to their yard. Also as a DIY person myself it also shows the added benefit of paying extra when it truly is more beneficial due to the complexity of the job. Lastly, pinterest is popular when it comes to ideas and it can be because the creators there share their knowledge which keeps people coming back. I would say you channel is on par with that. That is why I continue to watch.
How big do you expect those trees to get? It seems to me after ten years or so they will be right up against that fence or possibly grow to crack the border edging in that time. I had trees in my former neighborhood planted in the parkway between the street and sidewalk that in fifteen years not only filled the space but also buckled the sidewalks in front of every house on the street.
they're dwarf trees. expected max to get a 10" caliper diameter. do a search on espalier trees. I'm going to train them to grow parellel to the fence not outward.
Thanks for breaking down the costs, too often videos don’t address cost. What do you plan to do on the other side near the fence? Mulch? Stone? If you didn’t have the existing border would you have still chosen this option? Is this common in Utah? I never see it in Ohio.
It's not super common along fencelines but super common along the perimeter of the house. So I have a few plans in mind. Videos in the future to show. Decorative plants on the east side to help soak up the excess water. I also planted a ton of strawberries on the north side as a ground cover
Damn I think this is a sign, I was spending this weekend pricing out concrete to do mine and watching a lot of diy. Now that I saw this I think I'll leave it to the pros too. Hopefully I can find someone here in the middle of nowhere Wisconsin.
Clint! I feel you. I gotta say its a bit of an art. I think most people are capable of figuring it out but at what cost? I was afraid of screwing it up and not having it match. I've seen plenty of botch jobs in my day 😂
I am in Wausau, I tried 4 places today and no one offered it not did they know anyone that did it :-( I'm all for DIY, but like Ginja said, it's a one time thing.
Looks good about to tackle this in the back yard also soon I just love the way it looks and how it makes everything look so clean good job to them and you👍
My first "job" (i was 14 and working with my friend and his dad... so more under the table work) other than mowing lawns during the summer was installing curbing. I will say that was some hard work and i couldnt even imagine trying to do this with just 2 people. I would never want to do this as a DIY, even though i know how to do it.
Doing curbs was my first summer job. I hated it! Well mainly, it was the areas we serviced, which were in the mountains. Oh, and it was only a 2 man team. The owner and myself. Seriously hard work, but I grew from the experience.
I’m in Scotland, back garden has edging stones round topped. The grass is level with the tops and it grows flat over the edge. An absolute pain. Even to strim it’s hard to hit the flat bits. I cut about 5” of turf away right around and haunched some concrete in there. The grass will grow flat across this again but it’s more manageable, I’m not lazy but it’s just a bore using the weed whacker, rather like to just walk up and down with the mower! 😎✌🏻🏴
Curb is great idea and looks awesome, but in retrospect do you think you should have had it come in more (toward the house) to give you room to plant between the curb and the fence?
great question! Actually, i got exactly what I wanted. i really wanted something to seperate the fence from my grass and create space for me to mow. I'm a lawn guy. these areas are fairly small as well. I've used the space wisely by putting in a succulant garden and also espalier trees. super pleased.
I love DIY. Sometimes just to say I did it. But there comes a time that its just cheaper in the long run to let someone else do what they know how to do. Time and longevity...
for sure, most people who are doing cement edging, probably are not doing over 100 feet! So lots could DIY. But when the job is that big, better to call the professionals, so its a one day job, and not a 4 week project if not more lol. There is plenty of jobs i have done myself, where I have said, why didnt i pay someone to do this!
@@pestandlawnginja Hey Ginja, I've been looking into this. I live in Canada and we have harsh winters. I'm worried about the heaving. Question for you. Did they install any cable inside the curb for reinforcement or add fibre into it?
I installed mine DIY with a curb trowel from Amazon and while mine may have a few dips here and there it looks great. Everyone who looks at it wants to know how to do it or if I can install theirs. At the end of the day it's landscaping, just frickin landscaping. There was no way I was going to pay $3 a foot for landscape edging.
I had a post and rail fence with wire mesh installed for the dogs. What a pain to edge! I chew up a few string trimmer lines each time. Putting in the edge makes a lot of sense. Not something you see a lot in NJ but hey maybe I will start a trend. Thx.
Looks great, You are going to love that. I have my house down in El Paso done like thar and it works great with my Bermuda lawn. In Illinois I just keep a natural edge, I am not cutting low here my HOA does not allow any cool tricks.
I’ve layed down over 500 feet of mow strip using a rig like they have (brother loaned me his setup). You can do this work with two people, although it takes longer.. and it takes practice getting the right cement mix and using the tool… if you only have one weekend to get the job done, I would not recommend renting the equipment because you’ll spend a good portion of the first day, figuring out your system… also when putting down around trees, double the area you think you need or you’ll just end up with broken strips as the tree grows…
Hey ginja your dog thought you were digging up a bone for him😂. I dream about cement curbing but I’ll have to pass on this house. Great vid be safe my friend!
the existing curbing i have is already wavy so it made sense to match it. I'm only 16" off the fenceline so I didn't lose a lot of green real estate. the primary issue to get it off the fence 16" is to make it easier to turn when I mow. so far couldn't be happier.
Here is Central Florida they charge 6 bucks a foot! You're price is very fair. I knew the neighbor who installed curbing professionally and helped him do the work and he charged 2 bucks a foot. I had 160 feet installed. We colored it black in the mix and he used fiberglass and he rolled on a texture too. 👍 Great video! God bless!
These are dwarf trees that I planted as espalier. I also dropped the soil 3" below the top of the curbing to compensate for the curbing. is there a chance in 10 years that the tree will push up the curbing. yes. can I remove one feeder root per season as it happens..... yes. these trees aren't for setting and forgetting. they will take constant pruning and care to keep them growing parrellel to the fence as I want them to. I knew what I was getting into.
@@360construction9 Yes a dryer mixed concrete has a stronger cure. Yet you also dont want it so wet that it will slump. With that said you really don't want it so dry the mix crumbles as it dow es here, even with a wet finish trowel the mix will still be too dry. Having a mix that dry significantly increases chances of having the surface with spalling issues that allows water to enter the concrete and water freezing poping the surface finish. Yet to each their own.
you'll need to do a small amount of fertilizer. preferably a 10 10 10 or somthing not above a 12 or you'll need to do some math to get to 1/8th lbs of N per 1000 sq ft.
Enticed is with the hope of a mixture to bring back the trees but didn’t head back to the topic. Having the same issue with my new tree in Colorado, would love to know your plan to revive (ie I’ll be doing it as soon as you share!)
proper watering is number one. I love using tree bags. slow steady drip to the feeder root. I also use 1oz of floragreen 4 0 2 per caliper inch with 25 oz of water and spray and drench the trunk and ground with the solution. I repeat this process every month.
Looks super nice and I want to do this. Those pros looked like they were worth every cent. Any potential problems with heaving due to freezing weather?
No real issues with the border. I have one area that is a few inches lower due to the heaving over 4.5years but the border didnt break. I'm going to pay him to show me how to level it up correctly
Looking good Ginja, scary lookin guy with 28/29 years experience and even scarier guy putting his hand in the mixer!!!! but you can't fault the finished job
was watching the guy run the curb machine the the finisher... not really impressed as there were gaps and voids in the extruded curb that the finisher just smoothed over the top to make it "look" ok, but under the smoothed surface there are still weak spots. it's gon'a crack at those points.
We do ours at 12 dollars per foot, 100 foot minimum, colored, stamped, and sealed. I’m surprised more people don’t go that extra step to make the curb look amazing
Looks great! Any suggestions on how to find a good company and which one's won't crack easily or soon. What range per foot should I expect to pay? Thx!
My area is pretty inexpensive by comparison to many states. Our low end was $2.75 per linear foot and our high end was around $6. I just asked several people and other companies who the best was and this guys name came up a few times. I would be willing to be the lower priced companies don't use as much care with the quality of concrete they use and there technique may not be as good. so far the concrete he laid 4.5years ago is solid and looks really nice.
Looks great. Like you said, sometimes you need to know when to call a professional. Time is money, to the cost of the materials you will have to add time spend learning how to do it and the time you spend doing it.
So I wrote those before watching I just liked the way it sounded after watching a few minutes I notice you hit a sprinkler line and you’ve decided to put these baby trees that are gonna grow nice and big right next to butted right up against the fence. I’m wondering if in a few years that is going to turn out to be a good or bad decision
Espalier is a technique that's been in europe for the last few hundred years. I bough the trees as dwarf fruit trees. they won't get very big. I'm going to continue to train them to grow parrellel to the fence line.
@@pestandlawnginja they cut a gorgeous clean edge for the existing sod. Is your plan to keep it? Hand cut like Connor Ward does? Butt up to it? Or a new tool?
That curbing looks awesome, they did a beautiful job and love those interesting trees. I've had a lot of grass die off in my perennial rye/kbg mix in the section which gets blasted by the sun. I think it's mainly the rye which died out from heat stress. I've hit it multiple times with the SunJoe and at this point a lot of the dead grass is still firmly attached. I thought I would mow short and then let it grow to cover it. Normally mow at 3.5" during the summer but for the past several weeks been mowing at 3". Friday I dropped to 2.5". I want to drop it to 2" and mow today and then fertilize trying to take advantage of the cooler week before temps rise again. How long do you typically recommend waiting between each height drop and can I get away with doing it after two days this once without any significant problems?
that is a great question. it all depends on your expectations. if you don't mind it looking stressed you can drop it now and use bio stimulants to help the overall health back. but I drop mine after every 3rd mow if i'm mowing daily. color suffers a bit but it doesn't stress.
@@pestandlawnginja Thank you very much...love watching your content. Despite being a little stressful, can occasional scalping during the normal growing season be a tool to rid a kbg lawn of issues like dead grass and other problems? I've used it over winter and to get rid of fugus. I ask because when I lowered from 3" to 2.5" I pulled a lot of dead grass out with the mow. It surprised me how much debris it pulled out...it was more dead grass than green. So I think the lower cut mow was in a way acting like the SunJoe and pulling up extra debris when the SunJoe couldn't or didn't. Have had mixed results applying micros other than iron which really makes a difference in my Utah soil. When my lawn was looking great I thought the IFA Micro Pak made a noticeable difference. But when it was really struggling with the heat stress that came to Utah starting in June, I tested them by applying micros to a part of the yard and didn't see any difference. Would make for an interesting Ginja video to see what your results would be like trying the same thing to a portion of yours or someone's lawn. Just a thought, always love what you come up with.
Actually I was wrong. Tried using the Sun Joe again before mowing a little shorter and it made a huge difference having the grass at 2.5". At 3" it pulled out equal amounts dead and live grass and then eventually didn't pull out much. But using the Sun Joe at the lower 2.5" was completely different. It pulled out nearly all dead grass with little live and pulled out over 3 large 55 gallon trash bags at the same setting of 0. Turns out I didn't need to mow it any shorter. Thanks however for the advice and info.
Trees, any knowledge how to get rid of a peach borer and when you think it won't make it? I have one and it keeps growing but the trunk is in bad shape know and some holes higher up with sap oozing out. Thanks!!!
Most common application is using a chemical called imidicloprid. just know that this is a systemic solution and you will NOT be able to eat the fruit after putting it down. If you purchase a seperate spray called pentrabark you can do a drench around the canopy layer and spray the tree to get faster results.
Ginga: I dunno about you, but I'm excited! Him: [deadpan] uhhhh, me too. I don't believe him! I hope the tree roots don't ultimately mess that that curb up in a few years ... but I think you'll be fighting a losing battle on that. That curb is too close to those trees.
Excellent video my man. I use a 4 gallon chapin battery powered backpack sprayer. If I already have the proper amount of 24d/Dicamba can you recommend what is a good brand of generic Quinclorac to possibly kill full grown crabgrass and how many ounces of the recommended qiunclorac per 1 gallon of water?
@@pestandlawnginja Thank again so final question what that be approx 1.4 oz per I gallon, or would would be the rough estimate per gallon of water, I'm not at that level yet where I can do per 1000 sq ft. Thanks again Sir
Good to see a nice mix on the dry side, probably because they don't use standard concrete forms. It's gonna be strong and last for years to come. Excellent addition to your landscaping. (What type of trees did you plant? Espalier style trees are so nice and are a real legacy planting, taking much longer to mature and fill in. Hoping you chose some edible fruit trees 😋)
I've done concrete for 23 years and that hurt my soul. I get that it's non structural and everything but that's not the way to do that curb if you want it to last.
@@pestandlawnginja maybe I'm just used to earthquake country where if you don't have rebar or reinforcing mesh and actual concrete it's gonna be trash in 10 years or less. We form and pour down here in California. Plus we don't use kitchen knives to make "expansion joints" lol
@@timt5339 oh i know. I used to do curb and gutter. Theres reinforcing steel mesh inside there. bigger curbs get rebar. Then I got into landscape concrete and its the same story. Now I'm out of concrete cause I know better than to work that hard anymore.
How you feel this NOT to be a DIY project, that is how I feel about Drywall. I gutted my entire house myself but then let pros do the rest. Thats some nice curb Appeal
I’ve been thinking of doing this too. But why is there grass between the border and the fence? Doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Or will that be replaced with mulch?
Hi Christy! great question. that is where he cut out the sod and replaced it with curbing. it was originally all grass to the fenceline. Since then I've removed it and replaced it with a 50 / 50 blend of sand and top soil. it will make it so I can plant whatever I want there.
I know this video is a couple years old. BUT, I’m in Utah, north of SLC. You mentioned renting a curb machine. Did you actually find anyone that rents them??? I used to work with a curbing guy and I’d like to rent one and do my own yard.
So the cement was coming out of the shoot kind of dry and crumbly and the kid was spraying it with water how good and strong can that stuff be? Wouldn't hold up in the north east. Good luck with it.
my plans are to shove a ton of mulch in there as a weed barrier then plant flowers. if you watch the next episode which is the hidden costs of concrete edging you'll find that I removed the grass from along the edges bordering the fenceline.
Good Thinking! I'm getting tired of weed eating along my vinyl fence. I was thinking about having you come help with my lawn. the back lawn looks like death.
@Pest and Lawn Ginja you must know the exact part of the video I'm talking about at the end when there finishing up and you say you enjoyed it and he's like yeah us too lol 😆
@@ColbysToolRivew oh i remember hahaha. This guy didn't ask to be featured. they were all about getting in and out. He's old school and has enough work due to his reputation.
@Pest and Lawn Ginja yeah I know alot of guys his age just like that they are nice but still just like yeah whatever lol I know one trim guy who cusses every other word and is the same day in and day out kinda seems mean but with the quality of his work no one cares how mean he acts 😄
Pest and Lawn Ginja that’s been my main concern, I’ve been getting better at the natural edge but have always wanted the concrete border. I’m holding off til I build my house next year where I’ll be installing an irrigation system which should be able to neglect any issues with the concrete drying the soil too much.
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I did this myself for about $100 and it looks just as good. With careful planning and research you can save a ton and get great results. Its really not hard. Practice on a few feet and the rest is your finished product. DIY is always the way to go when it comes to this simple work.
Nice work!
Agree with you Insert. A little practice up front is the key.
Not every man is built the same. A determined woman could do this work at her homestead. Yes I agree with planning out everything, layout, leveling ground, material estimate, tools needed, and a curb machine, or a game plan on how to get mortar in its place, finally, troweling the finish product. The guys in video make it look easy, cause they do it almost everyday, but doing everything by yourself, and how far you have to pour is different, THIS 4MAN CREW WILL LEAVE IT 100 TIMES BETTER THAN A DIY homeowner, but I understand cause I’m the same type homeowner that usually will do everything myself Hands down
Any tips?
I'd like to do this too.
@@jamesvasquez6280 100x better is a pretty big stretch. 2x better, sure.
It's just a simple concrete job, there's nothing special going on here. If there was, 4 men wouldn't labor all day for the meager sum they charged... after materials and other overhead, that's a pretty small pie to slice. With the biggest slice going to the owner...
I was raised a DIY'er, I grew up watching my dad labor like a mule to do work a pro could do in an afternoon. I have been struggling to pay the pros to do some of the work I have no need to buy the tools for or learn the skill. Good job hiring the pros on this one. Looks great.
Right on! I totally get where you're coming from. I'm the same way.
Maybe you dad enjoyed doing himself? Maybe he took on projects that he wouldn't have had done if he'd had to pay some "pro" to do it?
Well as a female single in her early 30s trying to fix up their house.. I can't even pay anyone to do a job.. they keep asking me they need to talk to the owner 🙄 and they repeat the prices to me like I didn't hear the one two three other times 😒 So I been taking my time doing a lot of you tubing reading comments is key cuz some no it all might no more informative information. And I've just been working on things myself. And my next project is I'm gonna do my own curb.
Wow Ginja! Looks awesome! Happy you found a descent company that did very professional work at an affordable price! TFS Stay safe!
I think so too! Thanks Elaine!
It looked fantastic in person! Thanks for letting me stop by Ginja.👊
Anytime! Good times!
Thank you for putting out the content that you do and being as transparent as possible. As a new homeowner your videos have truly helped when it comes to caring for my landscaping - lawn, etc. In this particular video, thank you for sharing the cost of the work. It gives your viewers an idea of how much it cost to do that or something similar to their yard. Also as a DIY person myself it also shows the added benefit of paying extra when it truly is more beneficial due to the complexity of the job.
Lastly, pinterest is popular when it comes to ideas and it can be because the creators there share their knowledge which keeps people coming back. I would say you channel is on par with that. That is why I continue to watch.
Great feedback Rony! Really appreciate you being upfront about your expectations. helps for future videos. thanks for your support
How big do you expect those trees to get? It seems to me after ten years or so they will be right up against that fence or possibly grow to crack the border edging in that time. I had trees in my former neighborhood planted in the parkway between the street and sidewalk that in fifteen years not only filled the space but also buckled the sidewalks in front of every house on the street.
they're dwarf trees. expected max to get a 10" caliper diameter. do a search on espalier trees. I'm going to train them to grow parellel to the fence not outward.
Him: I’ve been doing this job 28,29 years
Ginger: so tell us how long have you been doing this?
Him: well I’ve been doing this about 28,29 years
LOL soo true!
Ginja was nervous talking to Santa!
@@DK85 Santa seemed nervous talking to Ginja
Thanks for breaking down the costs, too often videos don’t address cost.
What do you plan to do on the other side near the fence? Mulch? Stone?
If you didn’t have the existing border would you have still chosen this option? Is this common in Utah? I never see it in Ohio.
It's not super common along fencelines but super common along the perimeter of the house. So I have a few plans in mind. Videos in the future to show. Decorative plants on the east side to help soak up the excess water. I also planted a ton of strawberries on the north side as a ground cover
Finally someone has realized what I've been yelling about! This was done right, flush with the grass, no weed eater!
flush is the best in my opinion. so easy to maintain and always looks great.
Love the dog watching every step!
He's soo funny hahaha
Damn I think this is a sign, I was spending this weekend pricing out concrete to do mine and watching a lot of diy. Now that I saw this I think I'll leave it to the pros too. Hopefully I can find someone here in the middle of nowhere Wisconsin.
Clint! I feel you. I gotta say its a bit of an art. I think most people are capable of figuring it out but at what cost? I was afraid of screwing it up and not having it match. I've seen plenty of botch jobs in my day 😂
There are some great curbing companies in Wisconsin depending on where your located.
I am in Wausau, I tried 4 places today and no one offered it not did they know anyone that did it :-( I'm all for DIY, but like Ginja said, it's a one time thing.
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Anything that reduces the weed eater is a good thing.
Congratulations! And yes, sometimes you just have to pay the pros.👍🏻
Thanks Jackson! I'm super excited about how it turned out
Never thought about edging with concrete. The lines look really sharp. Sometime I'm definitely going to look into. Much appreciate the video.
Any time! I couldn't be happier!
Ginja! Glad to see a new video, I’ve wanted to do this for years, and wondered what I should look for thanks!
Glad I could help! The next video will be enlightening. its a followup to the hidden costs of installing curbing on an existing lawn.
Looks good about to tackle this in the back yard also soon I just love the way it looks and how it makes everything look so clean good job to them and you👍
You'll love it!
Bro I used to jog past your house 😂 looks great.
I’m glad ZZ Top could help you out!
me too! he was fantastic
My first "job" (i was 14 and working with my friend and his dad... so more under the table work) other than mowing lawns during the summer was installing curbing. I will say that was some hard work and i couldnt even imagine trying to do this with just 2 people. I would never want to do this as a DIY, even though i know how to do it.
super labor intensive for sure!
Glad to finally see a guy use there own mixer. I drive a concrete mixer truck and get stuck on these jobs for hours and it ruins our drums.
oh man I didn't think about that! I just figured everyone in the industry did it that way.
Doing curbs was my first summer job. I hated it! Well mainly, it was the areas we serviced, which were in the mountains. Oh, and it was only a 2 man team. The owner and myself. Seriously hard work, but I grew from the experience.
rad! Its an art for sure.
That looks pretty good, definitely satisfying to watch
👊😍 totally agree!
I’m in Scotland, back garden has edging stones round topped. The grass is level with the tops and it grows flat over the edge. An absolute pain. Even to strim it’s hard to hit the flat bits. I cut about 5” of turf away right around and haunched some concrete in there. The grass will grow flat across this again but it’s more manageable, I’m not lazy but it’s just a bore using the weed whacker, rather like to just walk up and down with the mower! 😎✌🏻🏴
Sounds like it! I would remove the grass around those areas and do something else. I’m all about functional spaces
Rolls Royce been hitting the buffet pretty hard?? He’s beefing up! 🐶
👏👏👏😂 hes soo big! 7 months old and 62lbs of pure love
Pest and Lawn Ginja AND he’s not impressed with the new trees 🌳😆
Nope! 👏👏😂
Curb is great idea and looks awesome, but in retrospect do you think you should have had it come in more (toward the house) to give you room to plant between the curb and the fence?
great question! Actually, i got exactly what I wanted. i really wanted something to seperate the fence from my grass and create space for me to mow. I'm a lawn guy. these areas are fairly small as well. I've used the space wisely by putting in a succulant garden and also espalier trees. super pleased.
I love DIY. Sometimes just to say I did it. But there comes a time that its just cheaper in the long run to let someone else do what they know how to do. Time and longevity...
Amen to that Chris!
for sure, most people who are doing cement edging, probably are not doing over 100 feet! So lots could DIY. But when the job is that big, better to call the professionals, so its a one day job, and not a 4 week project if not more lol. There is plenty of jobs i have done myself, where I have said, why didnt i pay someone to do this!
In that case there's always precast with a bigger selection of shapes, colors and probably will still come out cheaper.
Honestly, that sounds like a very fair deal! Looks great man!
Thanks don! They did such a great job
Awesome vid, that concert border will make mowing that much more enjoyable. Looks great!
Keep up the great content ginja!
It has been sooo nice having it installed. no comparison.
@@pestandlawnginja Hey Ginja, I've been looking into this. I live in Canada and we have harsh winters. I'm worried about the heaving. Question for you. Did they install any cable inside the curb for reinforcement or add fibre into it?
Wow! I had no idea Justin Turner made concrete curbs in the off-season.
😂🏆😂 I get that a lot
Half cost on the trees is only fair when you get half a tree! Looking great Ginja!
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Luv you espaliered trees and beautiful cement border.
Thanks! It's been a wonderful project
I installed mine DIY with a curb trowel from Amazon and while mine may have a few dips here and there it looks great. Everyone who looks at it wants to know how to do it or if I can install theirs. At the end of the day it's landscaping, just frickin landscaping. There was no way I was going to pay $3 a foot for landscape edging.
way cool! Glad to hear it turned out great
I had a post and rail fence with wire mesh installed for the dogs. What a pain to edge! I chew up a few string trimmer lines each time. Putting in the edge makes a lot of sense. Not something you see a lot in NJ but hey maybe I will start a trend. Thx.
Rad!
That guy was super enthusiastic ....
LOL best sign off ever
Looks great, You are going to love that. I have my house down in El Paso done like thar and it works great with my Bermuda lawn. In Illinois I just keep a natural edge, I am not cutting low here my HOA does not allow any cool tricks.
So far I'm loving it! its been soo much easier to mow.
That looks so good! Love it! 🤗
Thanks Tammy! I dare say it turned out better than I expected.
Espalier !!! My husband has been dying to do a hedge of espalier fruit trees ever since I first showed him what they were
They are soo cool if you can dedicate the time to trimming them properly!
I’ve layed down over 500 feet of mow strip using a rig like they have (brother loaned me his setup). You can do this work with two people, although it takes longer.. and it takes practice getting the right cement mix and using the tool… if you only have one weekend to get the job done, I would not recommend renting the equipment because you’ll spend a good portion of the first day, figuring out your system… also when putting down around trees, double the area you think you need or you’ll just end up with broken strips as the tree grows…
awesome feedback. thanks for sharing.
when can you take forms off of concrete curbing to do the Finish trowel work
As soon as the concrete starts to harden. Which depends on how you mix the concrete
Looks amazing! I love doing things DIY!
Looks awesome Ginja! I'm looking to get that done as well. Once my Zoysia is fully established.
Rad! Cant wait to hear about it
Thank you for sharing this. I'm where you were at before deciding to go with professionals. Unfortunately, I'm still deciding...
I feel yah
You made all the right decisions bruh
Thanks! It was fun to be apart of none the less.
Hey ginja your dog thought you were digging up a bone for him😂. I dream about cement curbing but I’ll have to pass on this house. Great vid be safe my friend!
:Thanks John! appreciate you watching and commenting
Why so far from the fence. What to you do with the grass inside the fence? Roundup? Make mine straight please.
Laser Straight.
the existing curbing i have is already wavy so it made sense to match it. I'm only 16" off the fenceline so I didn't lose a lot of green real estate. the primary issue to get it off the fence 16" is to make it easier to turn when I mow. so far couldn't be happier.
When you think about labor costs and the price of that truck that's pretty cheap.
amen to that!
Here is Central Florida they charge 6 bucks a foot! You're price is very fair. I knew the neighbor who installed curbing professionally and helped him do the work and he charged 2 bucks a foot. I had 160 feet installed. We colored it black in the mix and he used fiberglass and he rolled on a texture too. 👍 Great video! God bless!
It’s at least $10/LF here in Alberta. Your price is a steal!
Should be 20 per foot
I would not have planted the trees that close to the fence.
yup 100% agree.... no brains.
Roots will pick it up in a few years. He will be cutting it down
Way too close
agreed. Fail.
These are dwarf trees that I planted as espalier. I also dropped the soil 3" below the top of the curbing to compensate for the curbing. is there a chance in 10 years that the tree will push up the curbing. yes. can I remove one feeder root per season as it happens..... yes. these trees aren't for setting and forgetting. they will take constant pruning and care to keep them growing parrellel to the fence as I want them to. I knew what I was getting into.
nice, can't wait for follow-up
dropped this morning!
Used to do this years ago, I would say the cement is a little dryer then I would have done
so far soo good!
Dry is strong. You want it as stiff as possible as long as you can still finish it out.
@@360construction9 Yes a dryer mixed concrete has a stronger cure. Yet you also dont want it so wet that it will slump. With that said you really don't want it so dry the mix crumbles as it dow
es here, even with a wet finish trowel the mix will still be too dry.
Having a mix that dry significantly increases chances of having the surface with spalling issues that allows water to enter the concrete and water freezing poping the surface finish.
Yet to each their own.
did some practice with the sun joe dethatcher front lawn everything went great overseeded , should i add alittler fertilizer
you'll need to do a small amount of fertilizer. preferably a 10 10 10 or somthing not above a 12 or you'll need to do some math to get to 1/8th lbs of N per 1000 sq ft.
You had Gandalf 🧙♂️ install your concrete border you’re a lucky man
👊😂
Enticed is with the hope of a mixture to bring back the trees but didn’t head back to the topic. Having the same issue with my new tree in Colorado, would love to know your plan to revive (ie I’ll be doing it as soon as you share!)
proper watering is number one. I love using tree bags. slow steady drip to the feeder root. I also use 1oz of floragreen 4 0 2 per caliper inch with 25 oz of water and spray and drench the trunk and ground with the solution. I repeat this process every month.
Looks super nice and I want to do this. Those pros looked like they were worth every cent. Any potential problems with heaving due to freezing weather?
No real issues with the border. I have one area that is a few inches lower due to the heaving over 4.5years but the border didnt break. I'm going to pay him to show me how to level it up correctly
Great Idea! 👍
Thanks!
God I wish my lawn was that tight on my fence like that.
Gotta love the green
Looking clean 🧼
Appreciate it! That was the goal!
Looking good Ginja, scary lookin guy with 28/29 years experience and even scarier guy putting his hand in the mixer!!!! but you can't fault the finished job
They were great. They do soo many jobs per day.
was watching the guy run the curb machine the the finisher... not really impressed as there were gaps and voids in the extruded curb that the finisher just smoothed over the top to make it "look" ok, but under the smoothed surface there are still weak spots. it's gon'a crack at those points.
Paver edging is a DIY project. Use gravel as the base and then paver bricks.
for sure!
We do ours at 12 dollars per foot, 100 foot minimum, colored, stamped, and sealed. I’m surprised more people don’t go that extra step to make the curb look amazing
sounds like you do a great job
Same here at 12 a foot. Do about 1200 ft a day here In colorado!
Looks great! Any suggestions on how to find a good company and which one's won't crack easily or soon. What range per foot should I expect to pay? Thx!
My area is pretty inexpensive by comparison to many states. Our low end was $2.75 per linear foot and our high end was around $6. I just asked several people and other companies who the best was and this guys name came up a few times. I would be willing to be the lower priced companies don't use as much care with the quality of concrete they use and there technique may not be as good. so far the concrete he laid 4.5years ago is solid and looks really nice.
@@pestandlawnginja Appreciate the quick reply!!!
Looks great. Like you said, sometimes you need to know when to call a professional. Time is money, to the cost of the materials you will have to add time spend learning how to do it and the time you spend doing it.
Absolutely! Just didn't make sense to diy when it all came down to it.
I'm still going to do mine by myself.
Rad!
Wassup my Ginja
Man you a crazy ginja
So I wrote those before watching I just liked the way it sounded after watching a few minutes I notice you hit a sprinkler line and you’ve decided to put these baby trees that are gonna grow nice and big right next to butted right up against the fence. I’m wondering if in a few years that is going to turn out to be a good or bad decision
Did you have to cut some branches to make it fit on the side of the trees that’s facing the fence?
Espalier is a technique that's been in europe for the last few hundred years. I bough the trees as dwarf fruit trees. they won't get very big. I'm going to continue to train them to grow parrellel to the fence line.
That was cool. Always go for professionals.
Thanks tomy!
Wow next level solutions!
Thanks!
Yeah buddy! Looks great
Thanks 👍 You'll have to come see it to appreciate it. big difference from last time.
A beautiful job well done
Thank you very much!
That's sick Ginja! Love those edges. What will you use to cut the edges?
Thanks! What do you mean by that?
@@pestandlawnginja they cut a gorgeous clean edge for the existing sod. Is your plan to keep it? Hand cut like Connor Ward does? Butt up to it? Or a new tool?
Oh I got yah. I filled it in with a combo of sand and top soil. Video to come that shows the process
That curbing looks awesome, they did a beautiful job and love those interesting trees. I've had a lot of grass die off in my perennial rye/kbg mix in the section which gets blasted by the sun. I think it's mainly the rye which died out from heat stress. I've hit it multiple times with the SunJoe and at this point a lot of the dead grass is still firmly attached.
I thought I would mow short and then let it grow to cover it. Normally mow at 3.5" during the summer but for the past several weeks been mowing at 3". Friday I dropped to 2.5". I want to drop it to 2" and mow today and then fertilize trying to take advantage of the cooler week before temps rise again. How long do you typically recommend waiting between each height drop and can I get away with doing it after two days this once without any significant problems?
that is a great question. it all depends on your expectations. if you don't mind it looking stressed you can drop it now and use bio stimulants to help the overall health back. but I drop mine after every 3rd mow if i'm mowing daily. color suffers a bit but it doesn't stress.
@@pestandlawnginja Thank you very much...love watching your content. Despite being a little stressful, can occasional scalping during the normal growing season be a tool to rid a kbg lawn of issues like dead grass and other problems? I've used it over winter and to get rid of fugus. I ask because when I lowered from 3" to 2.5" I pulled a lot of dead grass out with the mow. It surprised me how much debris it pulled out...it was more dead grass than green. So I think the lower cut mow was in a way acting like the SunJoe and pulling up extra debris when the SunJoe couldn't or didn't.
Have had mixed results applying micros other than iron which really makes a difference in my Utah soil. When my lawn was looking great I thought the IFA Micro Pak made a noticeable difference. But when it was really struggling with the heat stress that came to Utah starting in June, I tested them by applying micros to a part of the yard and didn't see any difference. Would make for an interesting Ginja video to see what your results would be like trying the same thing to a portion of yours or someone's lawn. Just a thought, always love what you come up with.
Actually I was wrong. Tried using the Sun Joe again before mowing a little shorter and it made a huge difference having the grass at 2.5". At 3" it pulled out equal amounts dead and live grass and then eventually didn't pull out much. But using the Sun Joe at the lower 2.5" was completely different. It pulled out nearly all dead grass with little live and pulled out over 3 large 55 gallon trash bags at the same setting of 0. Turns out I didn't need to mow it any shorter. Thanks however for the advice and info.
@@evelyntaylor742 you're welcome. Glad to hear you're out there slaying that lawn!
@@pestandlawnginja Thank you for the encouragement and support.
Trees, any knowledge how to get rid of a peach borer and when you think it won't make it? I have one and it keeps growing but the trunk is in bad shape know and some holes higher up with sap oozing out. Thanks!!!
Most common application is using a chemical called imidicloprid. just know that this is a systemic solution and you will NOT be able to eat the fruit after putting it down. If you purchase a seperate spray called pentrabark you can do a drench around the canopy layer and spray the tree to get faster results.
Ginga: I dunno about you, but I'm excited!
Him: [deadpan] uhhhh, me too.
I don't believe him!
I hope the tree roots don't ultimately mess that that curb up in a few years ... but I think you'll be fighting a losing battle on that. That curb is too close to those trees.
Friends and acquantences have had good luck with these dwarf trees in the past. fingers crossed.
Man, how is ur soil so soft.. to dig that hole in South Jordan, i would have passed out man
Oh its not soft hahaha. its lots of clay. but..... i have been watering deep in that area which made the job easier.
Great look
Thank you!
Looks awesome!
Thank you so much!
That is the smartest thing a man can do, put his hand in a mixer while it’s running.
Excellent video my man.
I use a 4 gallon chapin battery powered backpack sprayer. If I already have the proper amount of 24d/Dicamba can you recommend what is a good brand of generic Quinclorac to possibly kill full grown crabgrass and how many ounces of the recommended qiunclorac per 1 gallon of water?
I like the quinclorac 1.5l and use 1.4oz per 1000 sqft / gallon
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@@pestandlawnginja Thank again so final question what that be approx 1.4 oz per I gallon, or would would be the rough estimate per gallon of water, I'm not at that level yet where I can do per 1000 sq ft. Thanks again Sir
Are those trees not planted too close to the boundary walls?
they're meant to grow that way. I'm training them to continually grow laterally
Good to see a nice mix on the dry side, probably because they don't use standard concrete forms. It's gonna be strong and last for years to come. Excellent addition to your landscaping. (What type of trees did you plant? Espalier style trees are so nice and are a real legacy planting, taking much longer to mature and fill in. Hoping you chose some edible fruit trees 😋)
Exactly! I chose some dwarf apple, pear, and plum. picked up some cherry bushes as well.
That sure did turn out nice man
Thanks Vinny!
RIP for us in 2021 and concrete is a premium
Soo true!
I've done concrete for 23 years and that hurt my soul. I get that it's non structural and everything but that's not the way to do that curb if you want it to last.
So far so good. the initial installation was 4.5years ago. no cracks and no breaks. has weathered our winters very well
@@pestandlawnginja maybe I'm just used to earthquake country where if you don't have rebar or reinforcing mesh and actual concrete it's gonna be trash in 10 years or less. We form and pour down here in California. Plus we don't use kitchen knives to make "expansion joints" lol
Skitches there is a lot of curbing companies in Southern California and been around a long time.
@@timt5339 oh i know. I used to do curb and gutter. Theres reinforcing steel mesh inside there. bigger curbs get rebar. Then I got into landscape concrete and its the same story. Now I'm out of concrete cause I know better than to work that hard anymore.
Skitches ha ha I hear ya !
How you feel this NOT to be a DIY project, that is how I feel about Drywall. I gutted my entire house myself but then let pros do the rest. Thats some nice curb Appeal
I hear that. not much worse than dry wall boogers LOL
Looks great
Thanks! I'm super excited about it.
Is it ok to seed and aerate or power rake my lawn again this fall if i power raked and seeded last fall?
absolutely!
I’ve been thinking of doing this too. But why is there grass between the border and the fence? Doesn’t that defeat the whole purpose? Or will that be replaced with mulch?
Hi Christy! great question. that is where he cut out the sod and replaced it with curbing. it was originally all grass to the fenceline. Since then I've removed it and replaced it with a 50 / 50 blend of sand and top soil. it will make it so I can plant whatever I want there.
I have the coolest, most talented neighbors.
rad!
Yeah those concrete boarders are a pain, always complaining and never paying the rent on time.
Sitting here thinking of my own snark, you beat me to it. They may need a border to keep the boarders in.
LOL
That looks great, how wide is your boarder? Awesome job 👍😁
It's about 4" or so wide maybe 5". thanks for watching and commenting Dave!
guys got a border edge concrete beard gee
LOL
Thanks for the info
You bet
I know this video is a couple years old. BUT, I’m in Utah, north of SLC. You mentioned renting a curb machine. Did you actually find anyone that rents them??? I used to work with a curbing guy and I’d like to rent one and do my own yard.
I would call ace rents or timp rents. they should be able to get you a good referral if they don't have one.
So the cement was coming out of the shoot kind of dry and crumbly and the kid was spraying it with water how good and strong can that stuff be? Wouldn't hold up in the north east. Good luck with it.
It cures amazingly. Very similar to quickrete. The same company did the install on the other side of the yard 4.5yrs ago and its solid
Kudos for supporting local businesses. Along the picket fence.. you’ll have to weed wack that area?
my plans are to shove a ton of mulch in there as a weed barrier then plant flowers. if you watch the next episode which is the hidden costs of concrete edging you'll find that I removed the grass from along the edges bordering the fenceline.
Good Thinking! I'm getting tired of weed eating along my vinyl fence. I was thinking about having you come help with my lawn. the back lawn looks like death.
Its soo worth it. Makes the mow soo much more enjoyable
Very nice 👌
Thanks Charlene!
dude was like yeah man just pay us lol
100% hahaha
@Pest and Lawn Ginja you must know the exact part of the video I'm talking about at the end when there finishing up and you say you enjoyed it and he's like yeah us too lol 😆
@@ColbysToolRivew oh i remember hahaha. This guy didn't ask to be featured. they were all about getting in and out. He's old school and has enough work due to his reputation.
@Pest and Lawn Ginja yeah I know alot of guys his age just like that they are nice but still just like yeah whatever lol I know one trim guy who cusses every other word and is the same day in and day out kinda seems mean but with the quality of his work no one cares how mean he acts 😄
@@ColbysToolRivew hahaha love those guys
Any concern or issue with the concrete holding heat and frying the grass along the border like a driveway tends to do?
absolutely! I'll get into that in the next video!
Pest and Lawn Ginja that’s been my main concern, I’ve been getting better at the natural edge but have always wanted the concrete border. I’m holding off til I build my house next year where I’ll be installing an irrigation system which should be able to neglect any issues with the concrete drying the soil too much.
Makes sense
@@nickharding2253 Edge your grass an inch around the border and it won't be a problem.
“We are too!”
rad!!!
What about drainage away from the house? Seems like it would trap water...
No problems in any of my homes that had concrete borders