Whatever you say, I beat Donkey Kong Country Returns on my 3DS as a kid without any help. If you suck you suck. Keep trying until you get it right! Easy mode is for modern day wimps 😂
Easy mode is fine when it is just that, an optional mode that you start the game in. It starts to become a problem when certain characters are designated easy mode, effectively *reducing* the number of playable characters for players who just want to play the game normally. It sort of makes sense with Nabbit, since being on Bowser's side none of the Mario Bros.' enemies are enemies of Nabbit, but it's pretty ridiculous to make Yoshi the same way. Plus, ironically, it also limits character choice for those players who actually *want* to play the game on easy, as their *only* two choices are Yoshi and Nabbit. So in the end, it's a lose-lose situation; no one wins here, no matter what difficulty level they want to play on. The solution? A separate easy mode *option* before starting the game, which will modify or eliminate the damage the player's character takes, no matter which character that player uses.
... as someone with young nieces and nephews, it's good to have the option available so they aren't stuck on the first world or whatnot, and lose interest (Happened to me quite a bit growing up). Especially given how big of a franchise Mario is, they have to make SOME attempt at making it accessible to newer players. Even if it does remove most of the "challenge".
@@rainlion10 *_*I KNOW...*_* right...?! This will be my very first time in playing as a Yoshi character in a mainline Mario video game (not counting the _Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island_ video game on the SNES and its port on the Nintendo Game Boy Advance), but I don't want to play in "Easy mode" all the time (only at first until I get better at the stages/levels in the _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ video game)!
The problem is the execution. Like he said, everyone loves Yoshi, and is equally as important as Luigi, and him getting stuck as easy mode is a huge bummer when the princesses and toads play exactly like Mario. There's no differences with them so why kick out the yoshis
I actually really like how they utilized Yoshi. I think his limitations make sense and they feel more designed for Multi-player than Single Player, but what I love about their game design in this game the most is how their handicap as support characters goes both ways. Beginners can choose him for an easier time, but if that beginner wants to play as another character, the pro character can play as Yoshi so new players can choose to ride him. Disappointing Yoshi cant be as challenging as the others? Sure, that's expected, but Yoshi are support characters, whether you play as them or along side them, and as a support character, I think thats kind of cool in my opinion.
I think Toadette/Peachette is the optimal way to implement this sort of mechanic. Have a character with improved mobility built in that can also augment those advantages with standard powerups for fun maneuvering. The only big problem was the lack of character options, so you're forced into it. Basically, they should not only remove the invincibility from Yoshi, but also give him the ability to use powerups, so he's not only easier, but also more fun
I don't understand what people dislike about yoshi in wonder. He's always been invincible in 2D Mario just never playable before. Flutter jump and eating enemies should also be considered OP things that make it easier but are natural parts of his moveset. And hes not able to use powerups offering a trade-off for said invincibility This Yoshi hate seems so overblown and I genuinely don't understand it cuz playable Yoshi as an easier playstyle is something that just fits Yoshi and always has imo
Obviously easy mode kinda sucks since it locks Yoshi from being a normal character but it is really just so kids can play the game while having a fun time. I really only see this issue being fixed by adding an option to do easy or normal mode. I’d like to see Yoshi be a normal playable character but it’s not going to ruin the game imo
I have a friend who just got into playing games. She plays games for fun, not for the challenge. Different people play games for different reasons, and that's OK. I'm glad she was able to play through the entirety of whatever Super Mario she was playing, instead of being stuck playing the first two worlds (like I had to when I was younger).
@@therealjaystone2344 I tried playing xenoblade Chronicles 2...... stopped playing it in the middle because it was WAY TOO LONG and required too much grinding.......
I think they don’t ruin them… unless it is by dying too much it gives you the invincible leaf. If you choose easy mode, you CHOSE easy mode. And Yoshi easy mode kind of makes sense. In yoshi’s island, if you got hit, baby Mario would be crying in a bubble, but you can get knocked down, but never killed if you got hit trying to save him. But I see why people wanted Yoshi to be a normal character. But I would have preferred him to be a power up like in SMW or NSMBU/WII.
The only reason Yoshi himself can't take damage in Island is to not give you two separate things to worry about. How would you like it if you had to be on top of Yoshi's health in addition to keeping baby mario safe? It would be more stressful, especially if you get hit when there's a lot of enemies on screen and you have to carefully make your way to the bubble while trying not to get hit and die. That's why in games like Yoshi's Story or Yoshi's wooly world, where no such mechanic exists, it's fine to let Yoshi take damage there.
My daughter is 3 years old. She learned how to play using nabbit. Yoshi happens to be her favorite character btw. I do agree somewhat but my take is every character should have an option to be played in easy mode that way you could choose to play with yoshi on normal. This is coming from someone who rolled credits in sekiro but also loves easy games
Yeah my issue isnt the easy mode itself but the fact that its locked behind specific characters. Lets be real even old school mario players might have kids themselves (like you do) by now so for a kid that is 3-5 years old theres nothing wrong about easy mode because its more accessible. But I dont like that yoshi is an easy mode now because I like playing as yoshi but dont want to be invincible. So basically I will never use yoshi because of that. While for some kid peach might be favourite character but cant play as her in easy mode. And vice versa with yoshi.
One aspect that no one is talking about is how easy mode functions in super Mario bros Wonder, as it is the best version of the mode yet. Instead of killing anything you touch or running straight past enemies like Nabbit, you are bumped back upon contact. This is a huge change, because now you can’t just run straight through enemies like Nabbit used to.
*@mattdickson627* You also can't get to certain secret exits in certain stages/levels as a Yoshi (or as Nabbit) in due to the fact that you can't get power-ups - some of which are required in order to *_get_* to those secret exits - which means there that you cannot unlock certain secret stages/levels. Therefore, you cannot fully experience _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ when you're playing as a Yoshi (or as Nabbit)!
This is pretty lengthy but I just wanna say my take on this topic. I understand your overall statement towards Easy Mode in being that aspects of playing these types of games in the first place are meant to challenge you as a player, and that back in the day not so good players, mostly consisting of kids, had to "get good" to complete it, so therefore people today should follow set example and experience the same thing as back then. I even get your point in that just because it's a kids game, doesn't mean it necessarily has to be very easy, in a similar way how people would say that, just because blank is a kid's TV show or movie doesn't mean they don't deserve better saying (which I agree with that take for certain cases). But I still gotta say, although I get you, I don't agree with your philosophy towards gaming. Like you mentioned in the video, easy mode isn't always implemented the best in certain games which I agree with you on, and having Yoshi who is a fan fav be locked behind easy mode is disappointing to many (I say give the player a choice to toggle between it in my opinion. The more customizable to play a game, the better right? Tho I'm not personally effected). However, the whole concept of a Easy Mode for gaming shouldn't disappear altogether just because you have a certain philosophy or view point to how games should be experienced. There's a reason why you hear the whole "Well it's a kid's game" agreement possibly everytime you bring this topic up. Its not because people don't have a valid agreement, it's because that's kinda all they have to say. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one. The job of an Easy Mode as you might already know is just to simply allow those who might not be so good at gaming in general, the chance to experience something that they couldn't have otherwise, and enjoy their experience and still be satisfied with their time at the end of it, as to me personally, gaming is more about allowing players to have fun then just challenge them for the sake of it. Challenge is a aspect of fun for many, but not everyone. Just because your "back in my days, things used to be harder sonny" statement might be true; gaming as a whole has changed so much other the decades, like many things in life, that I don't quite understand why you would say that as an agreement against easy mode. And you might have heard this a million times by now, but at the end of the day, it's optinal so I generally don't get why it's such a big problem. Isn't haveing more options in a game overall a good thing? Again don't get me wrong, I get what you mean. I personally like games to be fairly difficult, and I don't want gaming as a whole to be too easy/ babies first time difficulty due to the new audience, as I also find it to be more fun and satisfying to me when I do get challenged (tho I'll always still love kirby games despite that). Hell, not every game needs a easy mode. But I just don't think this mind set to erase the concept of easy mode, making it to where a large portion of players can't enjoy there time anymore with most games that are especially targeted towards them in mind, and then basically shaming those who actually need it isn't the way. There's a recent free update of a game that I had to switch the difficulty to Easy Mode for the first time ever after playing the whole thing in Hard Mode, just to get pass one specific boss rush challenge which was mandatory to beat the game, and I consider my self to be a veteran gamer. At the end if the day, I might hate chocolate chip flavour anything, but I ain't gonna wanna try to advocate for the removal for the flavour because I hate it. I don't mean to be rude to what I've said, I just wanted to try to debate this topic.
Honestly I usually agree with you on most things. But imma be real with you chief, we ain’t looking eye to eye on this. Maybe don’t make Yoshi an easy mode character, but I don’t see issue in Nabbit being easier or having the white tanooki be an option.
@@Demeechokay you make some strong points, yeah as I said Yoshi being a easy mode sucks, and hard modes in Nintendo games would actually be interesting.
An unconsidered aspect of the "easy mode"/Yoshis. I plan to play with my 7 yo son, 6 yo daughter, and sometimes my wife or 3 yo daughter. My son will always be Mario, my older daughter always Peach, and my younger daughter always Daisy. If I'm Yoshi, and they can ride on me and I'm invincible, I can help the struggling players through the level.
Precisely, as a more experienced Mario player, I'll personally love using Yoshi as a kind of "support" character (Holding powerups, reviving ghosts, offering players a ride). And if you think about it, that playstyle actually fits Yoshi pretty great as a character.
When I was seven and eight I even wasn't that bad at Mario I wasn't that bad at Mario I was bad but not that bad I was more of a mean thing I would throw my siblings into the lava pits in New Super Mario Bros Wii I'm going to miss doing stuff like that in the Mario Wonder
Dude, calm down. It's not like you're being forced to play in easy mode. If someone plays in easy mode, it's because they CHOSE to play in easy mode. Easy modes make games more accessible to less skilled players. Having more options is never a bad thing.
At least Yoshi in SMBW isn't nabbit since Yoshi will at least get pushed back by enemies. So it makes it easier to fall into pits if you're really bad but i understand your perspective.
That’s true but if you think about it yoshi is easier in some cases, nabbit in others, nabbit is just easier when you want to run through the level or boss and not caring, yoshi is much easier in precise platforming due to the flutter jump that nabbit doesn’t have, also he can insta kill enemies without jumping on them by just eating em
@@corrin-1976 Well at least Yoshi gets to play the game & interact with the world around him. Also, he can't get power ups so how else is he supposed to take damage, turn into baby yoshi?
@@guyfierimtwi am not saying he’s supposed to take damage since he can’t get power ups, but your thing of saying he gets pushed back… let’s be honest in a lot of Mario or yoshi platforms it’s unrealistic to find an enemy just on an edge who can push you in the void, maybe I’m wrong and we’ll see more than we think, but still the push back doesn’t actually seem a real issue to me
You want to know the great thing about these accessibility options? THEY’RE. OPTIONAL. If you don’t want to use them then don’t use them. I also think tying to easy modes to specific characters is genius because it allows the easy and normal modes to exist in the same sessions between players. Also not allowing those character to use power ups is pretty smart, as they’re one of the best parts of these games it gives players incentive to at least try to use the harder characters but without making them feel like crap for playing the easy ones. Man your takes have been really bad lately.
3:36 and this is where the argument instantly falls apart in my opinion. It assumes that every game WANTS their skill to be tested, and that skill must be tested equally. Some people dont like challenge, they may already have enough stress in their life, and want to unwind.
I guees that's the point...that we SHOULD make players overcome that challenge (i.e. forced betterment of ourselves) which is going to be always a hot topic to debate as there's no right answer here - I say as long as the games' has an option that keeps difficulty of the previous series in-tact with options for general audience difficulty, an easier one and a harder one, I think it's fine, but it also does mean needing time effort to implement them.
ok i do agree that the easy modes aren't implemented well sometimes but in the case of Super Mario Bros Wonder there are more than 4 characters for multiplayer and don't get me wrong Yoshi is a great character but you have to be unhealthly obsessed if Yoshi just being an easy mode character is that much of a problem to you
If the shoe fits, guess I'll wear it. Haha. I'm definitely in the camp that was disappointed with Yoshi being an easy mode character. It won't ruin the game for me, but I won't lie, it definitely puts a damper on things. Especially since this is Yoshi's big debut as a playable character in a mainline Super Mario Bros game (excluding Mario Run).
@@TheYoshiFanatic honestly i found a work around to yoshi for Mario wonder. What I’m gonna do is when I play as him If I get hit a certain amount of hits I’ll restart the level. That way it will be more challenging playing as him
Considering the badge system, I feel like "easy mode" should have just been a badge. If I want to play Mario on easy I just give him the "easy mode" badge and if I want to play Yoshi or Nabbit normally I can just use a different badge. There's already a badge that will save you from falling, I don't see why easy mode needs to be assigned to characters.
I think more of the problem with the Yoshis being easy modes in Wonder is because they're the only unique characters in the game. They have their flutter jump and ability to eat enemies, while everyone else plays the same. This could have been fixed if the invincibility was a togglable option or give everyone unique abilities like previous Mario games.
Tbh i think a better compromise would be letting you toggle easy mode on any character so kids who need it could play as whoever they want and the yoshis wouldn't be locked out for people who want a challenge
Yes, agreed. My first choice was playing as Daisy, but I'm legally blind with cerebral palsy and arthritis. I was getting knocked around and struggling within the first three lvels. Switching to Blue Yoshi allowed me to relax and enjoy the experience. But if they let things fall off of Daisy and gave her the jump Yoshi had, while letting Yoshi keep his iconic tongue, and even the rideable aspect, while being able to be normal or easy, that would be a better all around win.
The best kind of easy mode is one that can effect a single player without forcing other players to use it if they don’t want it. But forcing yoshi to be a easy mode instead of just making it an option that each individual player can toggle on an off is stupid I have no problem as long as you actually have to play the game
I really don't think having an easy mode is a problem so long as it doesn't impact the core game. There's a lot of people who don't play games often or just wanna relax when they play games and switch their brains off so an easy mode is useful to them, at the end of the day what you find fun is subjective.
I think allowing options for people to cater the game experience to what they want is perfectly fine. Speed runners and streamers do "no power up" or "no damage" runs all the time to make the game even more difficult. To me it's a good thing to allow people to play the way they want
I dont get the smart steering complaint. Like demeech words it like smart steering is bad because it prevents people from being on an even playing field but doesnt that contradict his earlier point when he says you should learn and adapt in order to feel satisfied when you win? Using smart steering actually puts you at a disadvantage because you cant use shortcuts and go off road. So when you constanly lose then you WILL want to improve by not using it. Like it literally achieves the same effect. Just like the other games he mentioned does. What even is this take?
"The purpose of a video game is not only to have fun, but to test your skill." Oh yeah, animal crossing sure does test my skill. You play games to have fun and fun is subjective. Some people like competitive, some people like cozy. P.S. You got what you wanted in making me engage with your video to gain traction because of just misinformation instead of actual introspective opinions, nice one man.
Easy mode is also an accessibility feature, as I know anecdotally that friends and family members with disabilities rely on easy mode to be able to participate, and they love it. I also personally don’t mind easy mode when just looking to cruise through a game and not have to worry about redoing levels if I make stupid mistakes here and there. Idk people need to relax with the easy mode hate (so long as it is completely optional, if its at all forced on you then I agree that is bad)
I do agree with one take I've seen, which is to call the character implementations as "little sibling mode". I say this as a big brother myself, if your little kid sibling sees you playing a game and enjoying it, they're gonna want in, and they'll have no concept of "too young for that game". Now, you can be like "here, you're the purple guy" and they'll be able to play along with big sibling without having a frustrating experience at such a young age, solely because of said young age. This doesn't even touch on the possibility of developmental, mental, and physical disabilities which may impede a player's ability to simply "get good".
I am autist and this simply locks me out from “getting good” at NES Mario games like Super Mario Bros. 3 and Champion’s Road & Co. in SM3DL and SM3DW. (In Super Mario Odyssey, I used Assist Mode ONLY for the Dark Side and Darker Side challenges. And even then, there are some annoying moons preventing me from 100%, such as the volleyball 100-streak one in Seaside Kingdom and that music note challenge in Wooded Kingdom, where you fall into the Deep Forest every time you roll off the wall.)
I definitely think there is an important distinct that needs to be made between "Game Journalist modes" (Nabbit, Super Guide etc.) And the "overpoweded yet fun" kind of chatacters. Examples of this latter category such as Tropical Freeze funky kong, Sonic Advance 2 Cream or Rondo of Blood's Maria have two key differences. 1. While overpowered they aren't a free win button 2. They engage with the game in unique ways This allows these characters to act as a fun choice for a second playthrough for veterans. I very much believe wonder yoshi will be have this quality as his no powerups, eating, riding and flutter jump means he will play far differently depsite being overpowered. I'd rarther have yoshi like this than he just be a reskin of Mario and co or a level specific gimmick.
@@nurifu_nightly if you're that obsessed with a fictional character just mod it at this point its crazy how unhealthy obsessed are with a character, its legit concerning
@@rainlion10 yeah but they are making it out as if its the end of the world for them i mean Demeech blamed Nintendo for the existence of Bowsette (which he used "Demeech's Fury on btw), do you consider that normal?
Though arcade games and earlier games did ultimately ask that you get better to progress, I feel like saying that's what gaming is all about is sort of untrue? Like it's definitely a core aspect like any other activities like art or sports, but I think what makes games special at least to me, is how immersive their worlds are, and how it presents a fictional reality that encapsulates you and compels you to keep playing so you can enjoy it more. Mario being so broad in its ideas, ESPECIALLY in Wonder, I feel like this game will deliver on that.
A big reason old video games and even moreso arcade games are so hard is because back when video games first gained popularity in arcades difficulty promoted replaying the game allowing for companies to make more money.
arcade games where hard so you'd spent more penny's. In the beginning of movies there wasn't sound or color does that mean that movies have lost appeal because the art of body langeus isn't as important anymore?
Ultimately I don't see any issues with implementing easy modes for games like this especially since they're totally optional, it's for accessibility not every person who enjoys video games are great at playing them.
You are fuly and truly objectiuvely wrong on this. This oculd be great for very young people.. Have u ever tried to play 2players with a 3 year old? Ihave. They are not good enough to play but with tis option, u can play together and make wonderful memeories with the young child. WHen they a bit older, ub can treach them about challenge and not to use these moddes. Also, pepple with big mental por physical handicaps, could benefit from this, Just runing and jumpoing around might be fun for them. The mode is not for the rest of us. Op Acceessibility options are never bad. Yes, it ruins the game for ME or YOU< but fo trhtose that want it, that is fantastic.
Honestly, the problem isn't easy modes themselves, it's how they are implemented and sometimes forced into your gameplay. I also agree with what Super Mario 3D World does by making you grab collectibles within levels without the cheesy golden leaf. Post-game content is meant for experienced players, so there shouldn't be an easy way to get around that
To be perfectly honest, yoshi has always been “easy mode”. He can’t use powerups in the main Mario games and can’t get hurt by enemies, in Super Mario World he runs away. That’s ALWAYS been Yoshi. These characters are here so that if you’re playing with a non gamer or young ones over the holidays/general, everyone will have a great time. You don’t have to explain how everything works gameplay wise.
This might be a socially hot take, and it is most definitely not much related to the _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ video game - but I find the "Smart Steering" setting (along with the "Auto-Accerate" setting) in being turned on in the _Mario Kart 8 Deluxe_ video game on the Nintendo Switch (probably also in the _Mario Kart 8_ video game on the Nintendo Wii U; but I don't have that one, so...) in being essential for racecourses on the Special Cup on 150cc, [150cc] Mirror and especially 200cc such as Bowser's Castle and Rainbow Road. This is because "Joy-Con drift" as well as the way in which some of the buttons are laid out/positioned on the Joy-Cons [I have only played Nintendo Switch video games in handheld mode or tabletop mode (the latter only while playing the _Super Mario Party_ video game) in due to having no room to place my Nintendo Switch dock near my T.V. and having only a bedroom - no living room - of my own to store my belongings (for the most part) for the past 3 years (the length of time in which I had a Nintendo Switch), so I in using a Pro Controller isn't an option even though I have 3 of them (one official, wireless one and 2 knock-off, wired ones)] make it impossible for me to finish in 1st Place - let alone in getting a Triple Star rank - on all 4 racecourses in the Special Cup in the Grand Prix mode. Otherwise, I *_at least_*_ _*_*try*_* to remember to turn off (or don't turn on if already turned off) at least the "Smart Steering" setting (though I often forget to do it, so...) - especially when I'm playing in the online game modes - as having the "Smart Steering" setting turned on prevents you from taking some of the shortcuts on many of the other racecourses aside from Bowser's Castle and even Rainbow Road in the Special Cup, which is actually detrimental in trying to go the fastest and shortest way through most of the racecourses in the _Mario Kart 8 Deluxe_ video game on the Nintendo Switch (and in the _Mario Kart 8_ video game on the Nintendo Wii U).
Demeech is coming at this from a perspective of a seasoned gamer, which I understand. I have no issues with the addition of these features. I disagree with the concept that people are being robbed of a rewarding experience by playing easy mode. My wife never picked up a video game before she met me. It's significantly more difficult for adults to learn new skills than kids, due to how human development works. Because of this, my wife struggles greatly with controls. Platforming games or any other than that requires precision are a real struggle for her, because those synaptic connections are slow to develop in the adult brain. The kid argument, for me, holds no ground for or against easy mode. I look at this from a perspective of people who just don't have a lot of experience playing games. This isn't a feature I think should be in games, but I won't denigrate a game for having it. I also think it depends on the intent of the game. Mario games have gone in a direction of being played with family and friends. My wife wants to play with me, and Yoshi allows her to do that without making the game boring for me. We can have fun together. However, it would be completely out of place in From Software games.
This was a big waste of my time. Literally this is not a big deal. Easy mode is great for people who are not great at the game. Saying get good is insulting and frustrating. This is not real life where it matters to keep trying; it’s a game where people can just quit and never try again and lose audience of people.
Such a petty video lol. No valid points brought up whatsoever just i can do it so all people can clearly and noot looking at the other sides of the coin. Also Yoshi's first game had yoshi unkillable by enemies and you act shocked about yoshi being invincible in wonder when Yoshi's games are about as easy as kirby games?
Something about the segment of nsmbu and nslu forcing some players to go easy is in mario wonder, theres enough charecters for everyone to be normal, or everyone to be easy, or a mix!
The fact that you are saying easy mode is ruining Nintendo games is such a toxic take. You are disregarding making games approachable for all ages and various abilities. What you are actually saying by not having easy mode is hey you are not included if you are not capable of playing this game. You are making it sound like Nintendo is forcing you to play n easy mode but the matter of the fact that it is OPTIONAL. As an indivudal who has a disability I do play on normal mode but if I needed or wanted to at least I know easy mode is optional for days that might be harder than others. Clearly this video and your tke makes it seem like you are not an understanding person or take. On another note I will say since all the characters have the same physics what Nintendo could have done is make easy character have the option of Normal or easy rather than lock characters to difficulty.
This is literally why I unsubscribed to this guy HE ALWAYS HAS A PROBLEM WITH EVERYTHING!!! Easy Mode is for new comers (WHICH ARE USUALLY LITTLE KIDS) or people who are not good at video games AND ITS OPTIONAL! YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT!!!
I understand what you're getting at but I'm honestly glad easy mode is a thing in a lot of these games,makes it much easier for me to play with someone who may struggle with these types of things and don't want to be held back. Yes some can be implemented better but I hope they're here to stay.
I was genuinely stuck on a level in Mario Galaxy 2, I died over and over and over because it was too difficult for me. The space Rosalina not only showed me how to beat the level, but let me progress even if I sucked. Who did I hurt? Nobody. It didn’t “ruin” the experience. Celeste has an easy mode, and says it’s ok. Your gamer pride isn’t an excuse to ban easy modes
Celeste is a much harder game than anything Nintendo has released in like 20 years. If you’re really stuck in a Mario level then you should learn the obstacle yourself to overcome it. It’s not a huge task. It’s like asking a puzzle game to give you the answer for free.
7:08 Remember when in Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow Versions the game outright requires you to find several Hidden Machine items in the Safari Zone. You need to somehow navigate it within a step count limit which if you exceed you'll get kicked out and have to pay more money to get a second chance and have to start at the gate again. Modern Pokémon games don't try any of that.
Like another comment said, it's for kids to play with their parents (or older siblings), and it's optional. I will say though that the target age for these easy modes is about 6 and under, but for Mario Wonder, I do wish there was an option to play as yoshi without invincibility
Easy mode makes the game wayy better, instead of making the game too easy, they made it harder but put in easy mode for anyone that struggles so it’s definitely a great thing to have
@@rainlion10 bruh he is pretty much normal other than not taking damage, it would make no sense for yoshi to use power ups so it makes perfect sense to make him a easy mode character
It is a shame that they dedicated easy mode to specific characters rather than make it a toggle however personally it's not that big of deal for me and won't make me like the game any less, just a little pet peeve that I hope is changed in future installments.
Easy modes are great for accessibility. Not everyone has the physical or mental capabilities to play most video games so it is really nice that Nintendo games often have options so more people can enjoy video games
Frankly I don’t have too much of a problem with easy mode except for U Deluxe where players are forced in multiplayer, and who knows maybe one of the Expert Badges for Mario Bros Wonder Is Like A Daredevil Mode like galaxy where you die in one hit, and maybe it’ll bypass Yoshi and Nabbits invincibility, I bet that would make yoshi and nabbit fans happy.
As a huge Yoshi fan, the fact that he's locked behind easy mode crushed me greatly! The whole point of gaming is for players to build up skill; NOT breezing through skill as fast as you possibly can! For people including myself looking for a challenge, we've had quite enough of easy modes; I'm hoping Nintendo drops this feature in their future titles. That being said, I still think Super Mario Bros. Wonder will be amazing, largely for the creative level design and charm galore! It's just sad that I can't play as Yoshi in the same way I can play as Mario, Luigi, Peach, Daisy, Toad, and Toadette as normal characters! Yoshi can't even gain the elephant power-up! Sad.
ever since the Wii era the video game industry has kept "casuals" in mind when creating games hell the Wii is the very reason the video game industry started becoming easier
Them locking Yoshi behind an easy mode is definitely weird, however saying that easy modes existing is bad isn't right imo it's literally just an optional accessibility feature.
Yoshi isn't exactly locked behind easy mode. The problem is that Yoshi is fundamentally different compared to the "normal" characters. Ever since his first appearance, he has been immune to most sources of damage, only making him run away or get knocked back (except in Super Mario 64 DS). If Nintendo tried to make Yoshi one of those "normal" characters, they'd have to ignore this core aspect of him. But, even if they did, they wouldn't be able to add Yoshi's most important abilities: the tongue attack and the flutter jump. Also, building up skill is not the whole point of gaming. Video games were created to be an interactive experience and, for the most part, to be fun. By having an optional easy mode, you allow more people to enjoy the game, especially if it's more challenging. Remember: the casual audience is the prime target of Nintendo, so adding an easy mode is much more important in their case. Besides, if you don't like easy modes, don't play them. That's the biggest problem with these complaints: they complain about the - and I'll remind you - OPTIONAL easy modes, and end up forgetting that they can just completely ignore them. At least in New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe's case, it's impossible to play 4-player co-op without the easy mode characters, but in other games, they're completely avoidable. So, in conclusion, if you don't want an easy mode, don't play it.
Why do so many people think easy mode ruin games? Nintendo is a kid friendly company. Geared a lot towards kids, so therefore they are going to make it so it can be easier for them. Also people with disabilities can also play if they want to. No one is forcing anyone to play on any specific mode. So if you want to play on a harder difficulty then do it and stop crying about it.
I really don't like it when the 4 playable Yoshi characters are "Easy Mode" characters in the _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ video game!!! This is especially the case when they can't get *_*any*_* of the power-ups such as the Elephant power-up - *_some of which you ABSOLUTELY NEED in order to unlock certain secret exits within certain stages/levels in order to unlock certain secret stages/levels, which means there that you can't 100% (play and unlock every single, solitary stage/level in) Super Mario Bros. Wonder as a Yoshi character_* if you're playing offline in single player (to which I do most of the time) or even in online multiplayer (due to how online multiplayer works in this video game) - and I really, *_really, REALLY_* don't like that!!!!! 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬😤😤😤😑😑😑😮💨😮💨😮💨👎👎👎😖😖😖😖😖😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😩😩😩😩😩😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬😤😤😤😑😑😑😮💨😮💨😮💨👎👎👎
You can always just avoid the easy mode things if it really pisses you off but like at the same time it’s not like the game slaps a “THIS CHARACTER IS FOR BABIES” type of thing in your face, these characters can literally be played like the normal difficulty
Okay so i do get where your coming from with your argument. But i do have some issues with it. Personally as somebody who has beaten every mainline mario game ill be honest. Mario games aside from the lost levels have never really been designed to be hard or challenging. Like you said there games designed for all ages. Meaning that anybody and i mean anybody should be able to play them. Even very very young kids. The addition of charaters like Nabbit are there for that extremely young audience. Think maybe the 5 and under crowd kids that see there older siblings playing a bright colorful game and wanting to join in. Or maybe alternatively people on the opposite end older folks who want to play with there kids or family that might not have the physical capabilitys of reacting to a action game like mario due to say arthritis or some kind of hand trauma. It eases the gate to entry so literally anybody can play these games no matter how young or old. And while i understand that there are people that are fans of say yoshi or maybe nabbit that might want to play as him. You can also just play as mario, luigi, both toads, peach, daisy, or toadette instead. Charaters that in there own right are just as popular and appealing to mario fans. Nobody is forcing you to engage with the easymode in Wonder. Honestly its frankly even more out of the way than it has been in other games since its a optional two charaters you can pick from a menu in a simmilar vain to a difficulty selection. Do i think that nintendo could have picked or made a couple new easy mode charaters or a difficulty option for mario wonder instead of using yoshi? Yes, but do i think its going to take away from the gaming experience of wonder or really dampen it? No not really
I can definitely understand cases where you're forced to use easy mode if in multiplayer. Case and point, New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe. Wonder has the right idea by having multiple non-handicapped characters so that a whole party of 4 can play the game normally, but also plenty of handicapped characters for a party of 4 as well. If you ask me, I think Super Guides are the right way to go for an "Easy Mode". They don't show up until you fail too many times, and they SHOW YOU how to beat the level normally. Gamess like 3D Land take it way too far with the White Tanooki Suit. You're barely learning anything from using that.
Accessibility options will always be a good thing. You can just not use nabbit. Yes, it's a shame you can't casually use the character or game option, but no easy option is a very bad thing.
Yoshi in every mainline game (not Smash Bros) has been invincible, just running away, or falling down, so it makes sense. Also for Nabbit, when he tries to steal items from toad in the Nabbit levels, he is invincible. It is in the lore. Let kids have an easy mode, get off you high horse, your opinion is dumb. Just don't pick the easy mode/ "Game Journalist Mode". Would you want your yoshi to die if it his an enemy, or would you want it to run frantically away, so you can get it again?
looking at your videos… you just dont like nintendo man. not in a way that you cant criticise it, its just clear that you the exact opposite of Nintendo’s target audience.
I did not watch the entire thing because... Well, my focus was everywhere. But lemme explain: having the difficulty executed in the way SMB Wonder did is a good approach, way better than White Tanooki and similar shit. Why? Simple: The Assist Block is a DELIBERATE INSULT to the player. Whether the player dies too many times because of some softlock, or because they created an unwinnable situation, or simply because your little cousin who plays only phone games decided to play while you were taking a dump and wasted almost all your lives in one level. Not only that, but in the game that the first kind of Assist Block was introduced (Super Guide Block in New Super Mario Bros. Wii), and the game where it was properly introduced (Super Mario 3D Land), even dying too many times was enough to deny you a perfect save, because triggering the block spawning was enough to remove the sparkles on the stars in the title screen. And lastly: Super Mario Bros Wonder is a family game. What fun would be there for your little cousin if he kept dying over and over by walking into enemies, jumping at the wrong time? Or for you if he constantly kept getting in your way? Or if you are playing with someone who really sucks at platformers? Plus, unlike the Assist Block which FORCES itself into existence (and as mentioned before, its first iteration and the Super Guide Block were more than just an insult), the easy mode is an ENTIRE SEPARATE option you can go to and fro. PS.: There is also how the industry, indies included, are now leaning towards having the means of making the game easier for those who struggle, while those who don't can still challenge themselves.
I could understand wanting to play Yoshi and wishing he wasn't "easy mode" because I want to play Yoshi and I will. However, it seems as if he's still effected by the environment, and just because you don't get "damaged" you still receive knockback and have to mind the enemies. Yoshi also has different abilities, and since he cannot pick up powerups like mushrooms or the Elephant transformation, I believe it's more of a "how would we handle this?" He could have health, but that would probably be a little confusing to implement (do all power-ups now just become some Heart or fruit for him to recover HP?). Simply put, I don't see an issue. I'll play with Daisy, Yoshi, and various others. I'm fine that they offer these in various options even, because my son isn't good with some of these games, but I'll be able to play with him and just have some fun. That's all that matters when I game and how we have fun is also different. You may want to be brutally challenged and play the Souls-like series for that. Some want simulation and strategy and others just want to play with others. Frankly I don't think the way the Mario games have offered assist modes has ever made them bad or hurt their entertainment value. My son is playing SM3D World, and he'll get the white Tanooki suit, but he will still die from the platforms, so it removes on obstacle to let him focus on another. When he gets good at a level's challenge (platforming) he does a bit better now learning the way to tackle the enemies or use the power ups.
The one part of your argument I would like to mention is when you said that easy modes shouldn't exist because older games didn't have easy modes, and I think your point is invalid. Yes, its nice to try and overcome a challenge, but just because an easy mode exists doesn't mean you have to use it. Some people just don't have the patience to beat a hard game after failing over and over again. This mainly pertains to kids, and since these games are marketed at everyone, including people with low patience for hard games, it makes sense to add a easy mode for them. And if you want a challenge, just play the game in an unconventional way, like maybe playing mario while barring some or all powerups.
Easy modes don’t ruin a game in the slightest. It’s all optional, and that’s how it will always be, and it’s inclusion doesn’t serve to make the average gamer’s experience worse, it’s too make less experienced players time better. I can agree that it’s not handled well in the Mario games, but again, it’s all optional, nothing is being hurt by the fact that a player can receive assistance from useful power ups to let them finish games they wouldn’t be able to before.
You're telling me they went through the trouble of introducing this whole new badge system, made several badges specifically to make levels easier, and have the caterpillar guy bug you every 5 minutes about how much easier a stage will be if you change your badge and yet they didn't just include an Easy Mode Badge
I don’t agree with nabbit being bad as he has no unique abilities and that’s how he worked in new Luigi u. I do agree with yoshi is they were going to give him his abilities they should have made a toggle.
No no no just because you criticize something doesn't mean people can't rebuttal even if it not good. Stop being soft and acting like your opinion is so valued that everyone has to agree with it.
I have never seen someone whinge this much over something optional in a game. Plus, your assertion that these modes don't help with accessibility is blatantly stupid.
These games are aimed towards families, meaning there has to be a way of making the game fair for everybody. You argued that these games are not for kids, yet you didn’t take into consideration just how kids would view these games. These optional modes allow for kids to enjoy these games without getting frustrated or upset while also letting adults stick to the normal modes. Kids want to be able to enjoy games too, and not every kid or even adult wants to sit on the same level if they just can’t beat it. What I’m trying to say is that it’s not the end of the world for you or for anyone that there are easy modes for games. They are designed for people to keep having fun and especially to keep little children from bawling due to losing on the same level 50 times.
It would be easier to have a simple difficulty selection on the menu rather than force an unnecessary handicap on a fan-favorite character. These easy modes remove challenges, and discourage players in wanting to better their skills since they can just not try and be given the win. When you play a game, you want to get better at the game, develop your skills, and improve. It's what makes gaming so much fun. Yes, I get these easy modes are optional and you can ignore them, in some cases. But what if these easy modes serve as a detriment to the game? Look at New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, at least one player is forced to use an easy mode character, and has an unfair advantage in multiplayer. Multiplayer in Wonder is gonna be in a similar boat if someone uses Yoshi, or Nabbit, and that's going to ruin multiplayer for some people. It's even infesting more hardcore games like Metroid Dread, the game got a game journalist mode as part of a free update last year that turns this very difficult experience into a cakewalk. And getting back to Wonder, what if you want to play as Yoshi? You can't unless you're fine having a handicapped experience. Yoshi's a fan-favorite, he's just as beloved, if not more than popular characters like Luigi, Daisy, and Wario. Getting to play as Yoshi in 2D Mario? Oh, hell yeah, sign me up! *sees Yoshi's an easy mode character* No, no, no, no, no!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love Yoshi, love him to death, and when I found out he was playable in Wonder, I was going to play the game as him, but after finding out he's an easy mode character, I'm going to avoid using him because he's just going to make the experience less fun for me. The whole argument that it's "for kids" needs to stop. Kids aren't stupid, and we need to stop treating them like they're morons. Mario games are fairly easy to pick up, understand, and play. This isn't Elden Ring. Kids today play games like Grand Theft Auto V and Call of Duty, games more complex than a 2D Mario game. Kids can play FPS games no trouble. If an 8 year old can play Call of Duty, they're gonna have no trouble picking up Wonder. The push for easy modes and making gaming more "accessible" is going to be a double-edged sword and in turn make gaming less fun and overall boring. I'm NOT saying games should be reserved for super skilled players and that Mario games need to be difficult like The Lost Levels. Kids need experience some challenge, not torture. If you lose because you suck at the game, you should lose. But you know what you do? Try the game again, build up skill, learn from your mistakes, and when you beat the difficult obstacle, it'll feel very rewarding. Losing isn't fun, but it's not the end of the world. If you lose, get back up and try again until you succeed. It'll feel all the most satisfying knowing you conquered a challenge you once thought impossible. I've been gaming for nearly 25 years. I'm not some gaming elitist that believes gaming should be only for super skilled players, but I believe that games need to be fun and offer a level of challenge and not be hampered by arbitrary limitations that serve as nothing but a detriment to the overall game.
"It's even infesting more hardcore games like Metroid dread" true and yet ppl still complain about the game in rookie mode being "still too hard" on Reddit. They might as well just watch a longplay of the game and other games like Sekiro on UA-cam if they want a game that "invincibility mod" brain dead easy. These types of casual gamers that constantly beg for easy modes to games like Sekiro are way more lazy, selfish and entitled than people who criticize a game for being too easy. The real accessibility is letting people use subtitles and adjusting its size, letting ppl remap controls, add an anti-epilepsy mode, colorblind mode, better tutorial, but NOT dumbing down games. All this dumb dumbing down games is just an insult to kids and ppl with disabilities intelligence and is very patronizing. A basketball game for sure as hell won't be enjoyable if one team is allowed to double dribble and has a 6 foot hoop vs a team not allowed to double dribble while having a normal 10 ft hoop, just the same exact unfair advantage that Mario wonder multiplayer potentially has that u mentioned.
I am just glad trust this petty video isn’t going anywhere. Clearly don’t understand the actual reason for easy mode. I knew this was going to be worthless and pointless and I am extremely happy the comments are agreeing.
Yeah, it's a lil sad. I was gonna play as red yoshi but I guess I'm gonna have to go with Mario or Y. Toad. Would be cool if it was a toggle option, or if it was was like toadette in U deluxe where she could still take damage, and power up, but was just easier to control and play from the others. In Yoshi's case he could keep the flutter jump and have one transformation. But I guess it saves on resources. I'd imagine elephant Yoshi would have a green trunk replacing his nose, who knows what nabbit would look like. Nabbit transformations would be cool but makes sense for him to be God mode. anyways good vid. (Edit: I forgot this. At least yoshi has knock back when you touch an enemy which would allow you to get thrown in lava but yeah)
Easy mode is to have kids be able to enjoy games with their parents. You know what is great about easy mode? It’s optional
Whatever you say, I beat Donkey Kong Country Returns on my 3DS as a kid without any help. If you suck you suck. Keep trying until you get it right! Easy mode is for modern day wimps 😂
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your opinion is not wrong but it is invalid because of how rude your being.@@jayandjlps8022
Easy mode is fine when it is just that, an optional mode that you start the game in. It starts to become a problem when certain characters are designated easy mode, effectively *reducing* the number of playable characters for players who just want to play the game normally. It sort of makes sense with Nabbit, since being on Bowser's side none of the Mario Bros.' enemies are enemies of Nabbit, but it's pretty ridiculous to make Yoshi the same way.
Plus, ironically, it also limits character choice for those players who actually *want* to play the game on easy, as their *only* two choices are Yoshi and Nabbit. So in the end, it's a lose-lose situation; no one wins here, no matter what difficulty level they want to play on.
The solution? A separate easy mode *option* before starting the game, which will modify or eliminate the damage the player's character takes, no matter which character that player uses.
@@jayandjlps8022people buy games to have fun, if it’s too hard then they can turn on easy mode
... as someone with young nieces and nephews, it's good to have the option available so they aren't stuck on the first world or whatnot, and lose interest (Happened to me quite a bit growing up). Especially given how big of a franchise Mario is, they have to make SOME attempt at making it accessible to newer players. Even if it does remove most of the "challenge".
Yeah, but wouldn't it make more sense to make it an option and not lock it to an existing character? I like playing as Yoshi
@@rainlion10 *_*I KNOW...*_* right...?! This will be my very first time in playing as a Yoshi character in a mainline Mario video game (not counting the _Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island_ video game on the SNES and its port on the Nintendo Game Boy Advance), but I don't want to play in "Easy mode" all the time (only at first until I get better at the stages/levels in the _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ video game)!
Maybe, but Yossi was sorta bound to be an easy mode character regardless because of their Moveset.
I get where you’re coming from but I think it’s a really smart idea for inclusion for everyone that doesn’t know how to play these types of games.
The problem is the execution. Like he said, everyone loves Yoshi, and is equally as important as Luigi, and him getting stuck as easy mode is a huge bummer when the princesses and toads play exactly like Mario. There's no differences with them so why kick out the yoshis
I never played or cared about Easy Mode in any Nintendo games like Smash Ultimate, NSMBU with Nabbit, etc.
I actually really like how they utilized Yoshi. I think his limitations make sense and they feel more designed for Multi-player than Single Player, but what I love about their game design in this game the most is how their handicap as support characters goes both ways. Beginners can choose him for an easier time, but if that beginner wants to play as another character, the pro character can play as Yoshi so new players can choose to ride him. Disappointing Yoshi cant be as challenging as the others? Sure, that's expected, but Yoshi are support characters, whether you play as them or along side them, and as a support character, I think thats kind of cool in my opinion.
I think Toadette/Peachette is the optimal way to implement this sort of mechanic. Have a character with improved mobility built in that can also augment those advantages with standard powerups for fun maneuvering. The only big problem was the lack of character options, so you're forced into it. Basically, they should not only remove the invincibility from Yoshi, but also give him the ability to use powerups, so he's not only easier, but also more fun
I don't understand what people dislike about yoshi in wonder. He's always been invincible in 2D Mario just never playable before. Flutter jump and eating enemies should also be considered OP things that make it easier but are natural parts of his moveset. And hes not able to use powerups offering a trade-off for said invincibility
This Yoshi hate seems so overblown and I genuinely don't understand it cuz playable Yoshi as an easier playstyle is something that just fits Yoshi and always has imo
Obviously easy mode kinda sucks since it locks Yoshi from being a normal character but it is really just so kids can play the game while having a fun time. I really only see this issue being fixed by adding an option to do easy or normal mode. I’d like to see Yoshi be a normal playable character but it’s not going to ruin the game imo
I have a friend who just got into playing games. She plays games for fun, not for the challenge. Different people play games for different reasons, and that's OK. I'm glad she was able to play through the entirety of whatever Super Mario she was playing, instead of being stuck playing the first two worlds (like I had to when I was younger).
Thank god it’s not an JRPG game because they are NOT for fun to play
@@therealjaystone2344 I tried playing xenoblade Chronicles 2...... stopped playing it in the middle because it was WAY TOO LONG and required too much grinding.......
@@dr.metroid6119 it requires less grinding to play but 3 made it better
I think they don’t ruin them… unless it is by dying too much it gives you the invincible leaf. If you choose easy mode, you CHOSE easy mode. And Yoshi easy mode kind of makes sense. In yoshi’s island, if you got hit, baby Mario would be crying in a bubble, but you can get knocked down, but never killed if you got hit trying to save him. But I see why people wanted Yoshi to be a normal character. But I would have preferred him to be a power up like in SMW or NSMBU/WII.
The only reason Yoshi himself can't take damage in Island is to not give you two separate things to worry about. How would you like it if you had to be on top of Yoshi's health in addition to keeping baby mario safe? It would be more stressful, especially if you get hit when there's a lot of enemies on screen and you have to carefully make your way to the bubble while trying not to get hit and die.
That's why in games like Yoshi's Story or Yoshi's wooly world, where no such mechanic exists, it's fine to let Yoshi take damage there.
@@kntranced719 I know, but it puts it into a little more context. And maybe what nintendo was thinking when putting yoshi in mario wonder
@@kntranced719even then, he doesn’t take damage In The traditional 2D Mario game sense
@@JellifiShugo When Yoshi was in Super Mario Run, he had a small form whenever he took damage. Why couldn't they do the same here?
at least you won't be able to access world 9 if you don't collect the star coins with normal mario
My daughter is 3 years old. She learned how to play using nabbit. Yoshi happens to be her favorite character btw. I do agree somewhat but my take is every character should have an option to be played in easy mode that way you could choose to play with yoshi on normal. This is coming from someone who rolled credits in sekiro but also loves easy games
Yeah my issue isnt the easy mode itself but the fact that its locked behind specific characters. Lets be real even old school mario players might have kids themselves (like you do) by now so for a kid that is 3-5 years old theres nothing wrong about easy mode because its more accessible. But I dont like that yoshi is an easy mode now because I like playing as yoshi but dont want to be invincible. So basically I will never use yoshi because of that. While for some kid peach might be favourite character but cant play as her in easy mode. And vice versa with yoshi.
@@Marko-ij4vyoh yeah sucks about tying a character to an easy mode
Genichiro!
One aspect that no one is talking about is how easy mode functions in super Mario bros Wonder, as it is the best version of the mode yet. Instead of killing anything you touch or running straight past enemies like Nabbit, you are bumped back upon contact. This is a huge change, because now you can’t just run straight through enemies like Nabbit used to.
Yes agreed 💯. It'll teach presumably kids how to play video games and prepare for the day they're not playing just "baby" games.
@@bshays21 _Super Mario Bros. Wonder, New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe,_ etc. are *_NOT_* "baby" video games!!! You're just ageist there! 😑😑😑
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You also can't get to certain secret exits in certain stages/levels as a Yoshi (or as Nabbit) in due to the fact that you can't get power-ups - some of which are required in order to *_get_* to those secret exits - which means there that you cannot unlock certain secret stages/levels. Therefore, you cannot fully experience _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ when you're playing as a Yoshi (or as Nabbit)!
Actually, that is only for the Yoshi's. Nabbit still runs right through them.
@@sikosonix901 ah, you are correct.
This is pretty lengthy but I just wanna say my take on this topic. I understand your overall statement towards Easy Mode in being that aspects of playing these types of games in the first place are meant to challenge you as a player, and that back in the day not so good players, mostly consisting of kids, had to "get good" to complete it, so therefore people today should follow set example and experience the same thing as back then. I even get your point in that just because it's a kids game, doesn't mean it necessarily has to be very easy, in a similar way how people would say that, just because blank is a kid's TV show or movie doesn't mean they don't deserve better saying (which I agree with that take for certain cases).
But I still gotta say, although I get you, I don't agree with your philosophy towards gaming. Like you mentioned in the video, easy mode isn't always implemented the best in certain games which I agree with you on, and having Yoshi who is a fan fav be locked behind easy mode is disappointing to many (I say give the player a choice to toggle between it in my opinion. The more customizable to play a game, the better right? Tho I'm not personally effected). However, the whole concept of a Easy Mode for gaming shouldn't disappear altogether just because you have a certain philosophy or view point to how games should be experienced.
There's a reason why you hear the whole "Well it's a kid's game" agreement possibly everytime you bring this topic up. Its not because people don't have a valid agreement, it's because that's kinda all they have to say. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one.
The job of an Easy Mode as you might already know is just to simply allow those who might not be so good at gaming in general, the chance to experience something that they couldn't have otherwise, and enjoy their experience and still be satisfied with their time at the end of it, as to me personally, gaming is more about allowing players to have fun then just challenge them for the sake of it. Challenge is a aspect of fun for many, but not everyone.
Just because your "back in my days, things used to be harder sonny" statement might be true; gaming as a whole has changed so much other the decades, like many things in life, that I don't quite understand why you would say that as an agreement against easy mode. And you might have heard this a million times by now, but at the end of the day, it's optinal so I generally don't get why it's such a big problem. Isn't haveing more options in a game overall a good thing? Again don't get me wrong, I get what you mean. I personally like games to be fairly difficult, and I don't want gaming as a whole to be too easy/ babies first time difficulty due to the new audience, as I also find it to be more fun and satisfying to me when I do get challenged (tho I'll always still love kirby games despite that). Hell, not every game needs a easy mode. But I just don't think this mind set to erase the concept of easy mode, making it to where a large portion of players can't enjoy there time anymore with most games that are especially targeted towards them in mind, and then basically shaming those who actually need it isn't the way.
There's a recent free update of a game that I had to switch the difficulty to Easy Mode for the first time ever after playing the whole thing in Hard Mode, just to get pass one specific boss rush challenge which was mandatory to beat the game, and I consider my self to be a veteran gamer. At the end if the day, I might hate chocolate chip flavour anything, but I ain't gonna wanna try to advocate for the removal for the flavour because I hate it. I don't mean to be rude to what I've said, I just wanted to try to debate this topic.
Sorry about any grammar mistakes, in my time in the UK I wrote this at 23:34 PM.
Wow you articulated my thoughts exactly, well said man
@@xh3llodanxI'm glad you liked my response. I don't usually comment on UA-cam videos at all, but I really felt the urge to do so here.
Honestly I usually agree with you on most things. But imma be real with you chief, we ain’t looking eye to eye on this. Maybe don’t make Yoshi an easy mode character, but I don’t see issue in Nabbit being easier or having the white tanooki be an option.
You might want to check out the video once it premieres.
@@Demeech I will.
@@Demeechokay you make some strong points, yeah as I said Yoshi being a easy mode sucks, and hard modes in Nintendo games would actually be interesting.
@@a17yearoldonyoutubeluigiWould you say you agree after watching?
@@Demeecha bit more. I also take people with special needs into account when it comes to accessibility features, not just young kids.
An unconsidered aspect of the "easy mode"/Yoshis. I plan to play with my 7 yo son, 6 yo daughter, and sometimes my wife or 3 yo daughter. My son will always be Mario, my older daughter always Peach, and my younger daughter always Daisy. If I'm Yoshi, and they can ride on me and I'm invincible, I can help the struggling players through the level.
Precisely, as a more experienced Mario player, I'll personally love using Yoshi as a kind of "support" character (Holding powerups, reviving ghosts, offering players a ride).
And if you think about it, that playstyle actually fits Yoshi pretty great as a character.
May people don't wanna play like that
@@murderman8578then don't
When I was seven and eight I even wasn't that bad at Mario I wasn't that bad at Mario I was bad but not that bad I was more of a mean thing I would throw my siblings into the lava pits in New Super Mario Bros Wii I'm going to miss doing stuff like that in the Mario Wonder
@@murderman8578they don't have to
Dude, calm down. It's not like you're being forced to play in easy mode. If someone plays in easy mode, it's because they CHOSE to play in easy mode. Easy modes make games more accessible to less skilled players. Having more options is never a bad thing.
To me, easy mode is only a problem if a character to forced on easy mode, and thats the case with wonder.
Dude, we are allowed to talk about how horrible easy modes are.
@@Luke-mg7schow? There are 7 characters that play the same way.
@@PurpMar6492 yoshi is locked behind a handicap
@@KYLE1654-v7m What? What do you even mean by that?
At least Yoshi in SMBW isn't nabbit since Yoshi will at least get pushed back by enemies. So it makes it easier to fall into pits if you're really bad but i understand your perspective.
Ah yes that is exactly my point, I’m glad someone mentioned that
That’s true but if you think about it yoshi is easier in some cases, nabbit in others, nabbit is just easier when you want to run through the level or boss and not caring, yoshi is much easier in precise platforming due to the flutter jump that nabbit doesn’t have, also he can insta kill enemies without jumping on them by just eating em
@@corrin-1976 Well at least Yoshi gets to play the game & interact with the world around him. Also, he can't get power ups so how else is he supposed to take damage, turn into baby yoshi?
@@guyfierimtwi am not saying he’s supposed to take damage since he can’t get power ups, but your thing of saying he gets pushed back… let’s be honest in a lot of Mario or yoshi platforms it’s unrealistic to find an enemy just on an edge who can push you in the void, maybe I’m wrong and we’ll see more than we think, but still the push back doesn’t actually seem a real issue to me
@@corrin-1976 It's possible, not saying it's the norm
You want to know the great thing about these accessibility options?
THEY’RE. OPTIONAL.
If you don’t want to use them then don’t use them. I also think tying to easy modes to specific characters is genius because it allows the easy and normal modes to exist in the same sessions between players.
Also not allowing those character to use power ups is pretty smart, as they’re one of the best parts of these games it gives players incentive to at least try to use the harder characters but without making them feel like crap for playing the easy ones.
Man your takes have been really bad lately.
Yeah, but the thing is the easy mode is put on a beloved Mario character, and some people just wanna play Yoshi normally like everyone else.
Not for four players in New Super Luigi U Nabbit wasn't. One person had to play as him no matter what.
3:36 and this is where the argument instantly falls apart in my opinion. It assumes that every game WANTS their skill to be tested, and that skill must be tested equally. Some people dont like challenge, they may already have enough stress in their life, and want to unwind.
I guees that's the point...that we SHOULD make players overcome that challenge (i.e. forced betterment of ourselves) which is going to be always a hot topic to debate as there's no right answer here - I say as long as the games' has an option that keeps difficulty of the previous series in-tact with options for general audience difficulty, an easier one and a harder one, I think it's fine, but it also does mean needing time effort to implement them.
ok i do agree that the easy modes aren't implemented well sometimes but in the case of Super Mario Bros Wonder there are more than 4 characters for multiplayer
and don't get me wrong Yoshi is a great character but you have to be unhealthly obsessed if Yoshi just being an easy mode character is that much of a problem to you
If the shoe fits, guess I'll wear it. Haha.
I'm definitely in the camp that was disappointed with Yoshi being an easy mode character. It won't ruin the game for me, but I won't lie, it definitely puts a damper on things. Especially since this is Yoshi's big debut as a playable character in a mainline Super Mario Bros game (excluding Mario Run).
@@TheYoshiFanatic honestly i found a work around to yoshi for Mario wonder. What I’m gonna do is when I play as him If I get hit a certain amount of hits I’ll restart the level. That way it will be more challenging playing as him
@@angelgonzalez4871 Not a bad idea. I may do a playthrough as Yoshi after I've beaten the main game with Mario, but we'll see.
@@TheYoshiFanatic I’m gonna do that aswell
Considering the badge system, I feel like "easy mode" should have just been a badge.
If I want to play Mario on easy I just give him the "easy mode" badge and if I want to play Yoshi or Nabbit normally I can just use a different badge.
There's already a badge that will save you from falling, I don't see why easy mode needs to be assigned to characters.
I think more of the problem with the Yoshis being easy modes in Wonder is because they're the only unique characters in the game. They have their flutter jump and ability to eat enemies, while everyone else plays the same. This could have been fixed if the invincibility was a togglable option or give everyone unique abilities like previous Mario games.
It’s all for accessibility at the end of the day plus who in their right mind is playing games in easy easier difficulty
Tbh i think a better compromise would be letting you toggle easy mode on any character so kids who need it could play as whoever they want and the yoshis wouldn't be locked out for people who want a challenge
Yes, agreed. My first choice was playing as Daisy, but I'm legally blind with cerebral palsy and arthritis. I was getting knocked around and struggling within the first three lvels. Switching to Blue Yoshi allowed me to relax and enjoy the experience. But if they let things fall off of Daisy and gave her the jump Yoshi had, while letting Yoshi keep his iconic tongue, and even the rideable aspect, while being able to be normal or easy, that would be a better all around win.
The best kind of easy mode is one that can effect a single player without forcing other players to use it if they don’t want it. But forcing yoshi to be a easy mode instead of just making it an option that each individual player can toggle on an off is stupid
I have no problem as long as you actually have to play the game
I really don't think having an easy mode is a problem so long as it doesn't impact the core game. There's a lot of people who don't play games often or just wanna relax when they play games and switch their brains off so an easy mode is useful to them, at the end of the day what you find fun is subjective.
Very hard disagree on this one.
I think allowing options for people to cater the game experience to what they want is perfectly fine. Speed runners and streamers do "no power up" or "no damage" runs all the time to make the game even more difficult. To me it's a good thing to allow people to play the way they want
I dont get the smart steering complaint. Like demeech words it like smart steering is bad because it prevents people from being on an even playing field but doesnt that contradict his earlier point when he says you should learn and adapt in order to feel satisfied when you win?
Using smart steering actually puts you at a disadvantage because you cant use shortcuts and go off road. So when you constanly lose then you WILL want to improve by not using it. Like it literally achieves the same effect. Just like the other games he mentioned does. What even is this take?
"The purpose of a video game is not only to have fun, but to test your skill."
Oh yeah, animal crossing sure does test my skill. You play games to have fun and fun is subjective. Some people like competitive, some people like cozy.
P.S. You got what you wanted in making me engage with your video to gain traction because of just misinformation instead of actual introspective opinions, nice one man.
Easy mode is also an accessibility feature, as I know anecdotally that friends and family members with disabilities rely on easy mode to be able to participate, and they love it. I also personally don’t mind easy mode when just looking to cruise through a game and not have to worry about redoing levels if I make stupid mistakes here and there. Idk people need to relax with the easy mode hate (so long as it is completely optional, if its at all forced on you then I agree that is bad)
I do agree with one take I've seen, which is to call the character implementations as "little sibling mode". I say this as a big brother myself, if your little kid sibling sees you playing a game and enjoying it, they're gonna want in, and they'll have no concept of "too young for that game". Now, you can be like "here, you're the purple guy" and they'll be able to play along with big sibling without having a frustrating experience at such a young age, solely because of said young age. This doesn't even touch on the possibility of developmental, mental, and physical disabilities which may impede a player's ability to simply "get good".
I am autist and this simply locks me out from “getting good” at NES Mario games like Super Mario Bros. 3 and Champion’s Road & Co. in SM3DL and SM3DW. (In Super Mario Odyssey, I used Assist Mode ONLY for the Dark Side and Darker Side challenges. And even then, there are some annoying moons preventing me from 100%, such as the volleyball 100-streak one in Seaside Kingdom and that music note challenge in Wooded Kingdom, where you fall into the Deep Forest every time you roll off the wall.)
just cancel the video bruh you're onto nothing
I definitely think there is an important distinct that needs to be made between "Game Journalist modes" (Nabbit, Super Guide etc.) And the "overpoweded yet fun" kind of chatacters.
Examples of this latter category such as Tropical Freeze funky kong, Sonic Advance 2 Cream or Rondo of Blood's Maria have two key differences.
1. While overpowered they aren't a free win button
2. They engage with the game in unique ways
This allows these characters to act as a fun choice for a second playthrough for veterans. I very much believe wonder yoshi will be have this quality as his no powerups, eating, riding and flutter jump means he will play far differently depsite being overpowered. I'd rarther have yoshi like this than he just be a reskin of Mario and co or a level specific gimmick.
Smart steering actually has some strategic value in competitive play.
Yep, especially 200cc Neo Bowser City if you want to use a golden mushroom on the S turn lol
@@PixelShiftss some tracks on 200 smart steering is my lifeline. Especially lap 3 Singapore speedway
With yoshi, I don’t actually mind that since yoshi has the yoshi powers, if he was like normal mode he might not have his powers like eating enemies
I don’t see the problem just don’t play as the ‘easy’ characters they are just there so the lil ones can ‘play’ too you don’t have to play as them
Yeah but what if I wanna play as yoshi without the easy mode
@@nurifu_nightly^This
@@nurifu_nightly if you're that obsessed with a fictional character just mod it at this point
its crazy how unhealthy obsessed are with a character, its legit concerning
It's not concerning, they wanna play Yoshi normally@@Doktario_Mystario
@@rainlion10 yeah but they are making it out as if its the end of the world for them
i mean Demeech blamed Nintendo for the existence of Bowsette (which he used "Demeech's Fury on btw), do you consider that normal?
Though arcade games and earlier games did ultimately ask that you get better to progress, I feel like saying that's what gaming is all about is sort of untrue? Like it's definitely a core aspect like any other activities like art or sports, but I think what makes games special at least to me, is how immersive their worlds are, and how it presents a fictional reality that encapsulates you and compels you to keep playing so you can enjoy it more. Mario being so broad in its ideas, ESPECIALLY in Wonder, I feel like this game will deliver on that.
A big reason old video games and even moreso arcade games are so hard is because back when video games first gained popularity in arcades difficulty promoted replaying the game allowing for companies to make more money.
arcade games where hard so you'd spent more penny's. In the beginning of movies there wasn't sound or color does that mean that movies have lost appeal because the art of body langeus isn't as important anymore?
I mean, even if Yoshi wasn’t affected by enemies, he’d still be pretty easy to play as
Ultimately I don't see any issues with implementing easy modes for games like this especially since they're totally optional, it's for accessibility not every person who enjoys video games are great at playing them.
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Yeah, but I want to play as Yoshi with no easy mode involved
You are fuly and truly objectiuvely wrong on this. This oculd be great for very young people.. Have u ever tried to play 2players with a 3 year old? Ihave. They are not good enough to play but with tis option, u can play together and make wonderful memeories with the young child. WHen they a bit older, ub can treach them about challenge and not to use these moddes. Also, pepple with big mental por physical handicaps, could benefit from this, Just runing and jumpoing around might be fun for them. The mode is not for the rest of us. Op Acceessibility options are never bad. Yes, it ruins the game for ME or YOU< but fo trhtose that want it, that is fantastic.
Honestly, the problem isn't easy modes themselves, it's how they are implemented and sometimes forced into your gameplay. I also agree with what Super Mario 3D World does by making you grab collectibles within levels without the cheesy golden leaf. Post-game content is meant for experienced players, so there shouldn't be an easy way to get around that
Bro is onto nothing 🗣️🔥
Nah he's onto everything
An easy mode has never ruined a game. Easy mode is actually very good for teaching the controls
To be perfectly honest, yoshi has always been “easy mode”. He can’t use powerups in the main Mario games and can’t get hurt by enemies, in Super Mario World he runs away. That’s ALWAYS been Yoshi.
These characters are here so that if you’re playing with a non gamer or young ones over the holidays/general, everyone will have a great time. You don’t have to explain how everything works gameplay wise.
This might be a socially hot take, and it is most definitely not much related to the _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ video game - but I find the "Smart Steering" setting (along with the "Auto-Accerate" setting) in being turned on in the _Mario Kart 8 Deluxe_ video game on the Nintendo Switch (probably also in the _Mario Kart 8_ video game on the Nintendo Wii U; but I don't have that one, so...) in being essential for racecourses on the Special Cup on 150cc, [150cc] Mirror and especially 200cc such as Bowser's Castle and Rainbow Road. This is because "Joy-Con drift" as well as the way in which some of the buttons are laid out/positioned on the Joy-Cons [I have only played Nintendo Switch video games in handheld mode or tabletop mode (the latter only while playing the _Super Mario Party_ video game) in due to having no room to place my Nintendo Switch dock near my T.V. and having only a bedroom - no living room - of my own to store my belongings (for the most part) for the past 3 years (the length of time in which I had a Nintendo Switch), so I in using a Pro Controller isn't an option even though I have 3 of them (one official, wireless one and 2 knock-off, wired ones)] make it impossible for me to finish in 1st Place - let alone in getting a Triple Star rank - on all 4 racecourses in the Special Cup in the Grand Prix mode. Otherwise, I *_at least_*_ _*_*try*_* to remember to turn off (or don't turn on if already turned off) at least the "Smart Steering" setting (though I often forget to do it, so...) - especially when I'm playing in the online game modes - as having the "Smart Steering" setting turned on prevents you from taking some of the shortcuts on many of the other racecourses aside from Bowser's Castle and even Rainbow Road in the Special Cup, which is actually detrimental in trying to go the fastest and shortest way through most of the racecourses in the _Mario Kart 8 Deluxe_ video game on the Nintendo Switch (and in the _Mario Kart 8_ video game on the Nintendo Wii U).
Demeech is coming at this from a perspective of a seasoned gamer, which I understand. I have no issues with the addition of these features. I disagree with the concept that people are being robbed of a rewarding experience by playing easy mode. My wife never picked up a video game before she met me. It's significantly more difficult for adults to learn new skills than kids, due to how human development works. Because of this, my wife struggles greatly with controls. Platforming games or any other than that requires precision are a real struggle for her, because those synaptic connections are slow to develop in the adult brain. The kid argument, for me, holds no ground for or against easy mode. I look at this from a perspective of people who just don't have a lot of experience playing games.
This isn't a feature I think should be in games, but I won't denigrate a game for having it. I also think it depends on the intent of the game. Mario games have gone in a direction of being played with family and friends. My wife wants to play with me, and Yoshi allows her to do that without making the game boring for me. We can have fun together. However, it would be completely out of place in From Software games.
This was a big waste of my time. Literally this is not a big deal. Easy mode is great for people who are not great at the game. Saying get good is insulting and frustrating. This is not real life where it matters to keep trying; it’s a game where people can just quit and never try again and lose audience of people.
Such a petty video lol. No valid points brought up whatsoever just i can do it so all people can clearly and noot looking at the other sides of the coin. Also Yoshi's first game had yoshi unkillable by enemies and you act shocked about yoshi being invincible in wonder when Yoshi's games are about as easy as kirby games?
A negative Nancy video from a casual game trying to be a gatekeeper. Just don't play the mode. No discussion or video needed.
Something about the segment of nsmbu and nslu forcing some players to go easy is in mario wonder, theres enough charecters for everyone to be normal, or everyone to be easy, or a mix!
Why is it so important to you that everybody plays the game the way YOU would play it? As long as it doesn't affect you, it shouldn't matter to you.
I did not understand the point of this video. Just don't use the easy mode??? No one's forcing you to????
The fact that you are saying easy mode is ruining Nintendo games is such a toxic take. You are disregarding making games approachable for all ages and various abilities. What you are actually saying by not having easy mode is hey you are not included if you are not capable of playing this game. You are making it sound like Nintendo is forcing you to play n easy mode but the matter of the fact that it is OPTIONAL. As an indivudal who has a disability I do play on normal mode but if I needed or wanted to at least I know easy mode is optional for days that might be harder than others. Clearly this video and your tke makes it seem like you are not an understanding person or take.
On another note I will say since all the characters have the same physics what Nintendo could have done is make easy character have the option of Normal or easy rather than lock characters to difficulty.
To all the Yoshi Stans I’m sorry the game is ruined for you.
This is literally why I unsubscribed to this guy
HE ALWAYS HAS A PROBLEM WITH EVERYTHING!!!
Easy Mode is for new comers (WHICH ARE USUALLY LITTLE KIDS) or people who are not good at video games
AND ITS OPTIONAL! YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT!!!
If you don’t like drama channels, then you should check out cat videos, they are very wholesome.
@@PichusBlueberryPiesWow you have the most boring taste I’ve ever heard in my life.
I understand what you're getting at but I'm honestly glad easy mode is a thing in a lot of these games,makes it much easier for me to play with someone who may struggle with these types of things and don't want to be held back. Yes some can be implemented better but I hope they're here to stay.
Demeech when Nintendo makes canonical Yoshi a playable character: 😡
I was genuinely stuck on a level in Mario Galaxy 2, I died over and over and over because it was too difficult for me. The space Rosalina not only showed me how to beat the level, but let me progress even if I sucked.
Who did I hurt? Nobody. It didn’t “ruin” the experience. Celeste has an easy mode, and says it’s ok. Your gamer pride isn’t an excuse to ban easy modes
Celeste is a much harder game than anything Nintendo has released in like 20 years. If you’re really stuck in a Mario level then you should learn the obstacle yourself to overcome it. It’s not a huge task. It’s like asking a puzzle game to give you the answer for free.
Better than just leaving it to Yoshi, why doesn't Nintendo just make a game where every character can be played in every mode, easy or hard?
Might be Balancing Issues
7:08 Remember when in Pokémon Red, Blue, and Yellow Versions the game outright requires you to find several Hidden Machine items in the Safari Zone. You need to somehow navigate it within a step count limit which if you exceed you'll get kicked out and have to pay more money to get a second chance and have to start at the gate again.
Modern Pokémon games don't try any of that.
Like another comment said, it's for kids to play with their parents (or older siblings), and it's optional. I will say though that the target age for these easy modes is about 6 and under, but for Mario Wonder, I do wish there was an option to play as yoshi without invincibility
Blud does NOT understand there are people with disabilities who cant play these games because they are too difficult
Easy mode makes the game wayy better, instead of making the game too easy, they made it harder but put in easy mode for anyone that struggles so it’s definitely a great thing to have
Yeah, but the thing is the easy mode is put on a beloved Mario character, and some people just wanna play Yoshi normally like everyone else.
@@rainlion10 bruh he is pretty much normal other than not taking damage, it would make no sense for yoshi to use power ups so it makes perfect sense to make him a easy mode character
It is a shame that they dedicated easy mode to specific characters rather than make it a toggle however personally it's not that big of deal for me and won't make me like the game any less, just a little pet peeve that I hope is changed in future installments.
Easy modes are great for accessibility. Not everyone has the physical or mental capabilities to play most video games so it is really nice that Nintendo games often have options so more people can enjoy video games
Yeah, but the thing is the easy mode is put on a beloved Mario character, and some people just wanna play Yoshi normally like everyone else.
It doesn't ruin anything, if you don't like it don't use it
Frankly I don’t have too much of a problem with easy mode except for U Deluxe where players are forced in multiplayer, and who knows maybe one of the Expert Badges for Mario Bros Wonder Is Like A Daredevil Mode like galaxy where you die in one hit, and maybe it’ll bypass Yoshi and Nabbits invincibility, I bet that would make yoshi and nabbit fans happy.
As a huge Yoshi fan, the fact that he's locked behind easy mode crushed me greatly! The whole point of gaming is for players to build up skill; NOT breezing through skill as fast as you possibly can! For people including myself looking for a challenge, we've had quite enough of easy modes; I'm hoping Nintendo drops this feature in their future titles.
That being said, I still think Super Mario Bros. Wonder will be amazing, largely for the creative level design and charm galore! It's just sad that I can't play as Yoshi in the same way I can play as Mario, Luigi, Peach, Daisy, Toad, and Toadette as normal characters! Yoshi can't even gain the elephant power-up! Sad.
ever since the Wii era the video game industry has kept "casuals" in mind when creating games
hell the Wii is the very reason the video game industry started becoming easier
Them locking Yoshi behind an easy mode is definitely weird, however saying that easy modes existing is bad isn't right imo it's literally just an optional accessibility feature.
They also disrespected Nabs.
Doesn’t really bother me
Yoshi isn't exactly locked behind easy mode. The problem is that Yoshi is fundamentally different compared to the "normal" characters. Ever since his first appearance, he has been immune to most sources of damage, only making him run away or get knocked back (except in Super Mario 64 DS). If Nintendo tried to make Yoshi one of those "normal" characters, they'd have to ignore this core aspect of him. But, even if they did, they wouldn't be able to add Yoshi's most important abilities: the tongue attack and the flutter jump. Also, building up skill is not the whole point of gaming. Video games were created to be an interactive experience and, for the most part, to be fun. By having an optional easy mode, you allow more people to enjoy the game, especially if it's more challenging. Remember: the casual audience is the prime target of Nintendo, so adding an easy mode is much more important in their case. Besides, if you don't like easy modes, don't play them. That's the biggest problem with these complaints: they complain about the - and I'll remind you - OPTIONAL easy modes, and end up forgetting that they can just completely ignore them. At least in New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe's case, it's impossible to play 4-player co-op without the easy mode characters, but in other games, they're completely avoidable. So, in conclusion, if you don't want an easy mode, don't play it.
Dang, so many people commented without actually watching the video.
Really good points.
Why do so many people think easy mode ruin games? Nintendo is a kid friendly company. Geared a lot towards kids, so therefore they are going to make it so it can be easier for them. Also people with disabilities can also play if they want to. No one is forcing anyone to play on any specific mode. So if you want to play on a harder difficulty then do it and stop crying about it.
I really don't like it when the 4 playable Yoshi characters are "Easy Mode" characters in the _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ video game!!! This is especially the case when they can't get *_*any*_* of the power-ups such as the Elephant power-up - *_some of which you ABSOLUTELY NEED in order to unlock certain secret exits within certain stages/levels in order to unlock certain secret stages/levels, which means there that you can't 100% (play and unlock every single, solitary stage/level in) Super Mario Bros. Wonder as a Yoshi character_* if you're playing offline in single player (to which I do most of the time) or even in online multiplayer (due to how online multiplayer works in this video game) - and I really, *_really, REALLY_* don't like that!!!!! 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬😤😤😤😑😑😑😮💨😮💨😮💨👎👎👎😖😖😖😖😖😢😢😢😢😢😭😭😭😭😭😩😩😩😩😩😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬😤😤😤😑😑😑😮💨😮💨😮💨👎👎👎
You can always just avoid the easy mode things if it really pisses you off but like at the same time it’s not like the game slaps a “THIS CHARACTER IS FOR BABIES” type of thing in your face, these characters can literally be played like the normal difficulty
Okay so i do get where your coming from with your argument. But i do have some issues with it. Personally as somebody who has beaten every mainline mario game ill be honest. Mario games aside from the lost levels have never really been designed to be hard or challenging. Like you said there games designed for all ages. Meaning that anybody and i mean anybody should be able to play them. Even very very young kids. The addition of charaters like Nabbit are there for that extremely young audience. Think maybe the 5 and under crowd kids that see there older siblings playing a bright colorful game and wanting to join in. Or maybe alternatively people on the opposite end older folks who want to play with there kids or family that might not have the physical capabilitys of reacting to a action game like mario due to say arthritis or some kind of hand trauma. It eases the gate to entry so literally anybody can play these games no matter how young or old.
And while i understand that there are people that are fans of say yoshi or maybe nabbit that might want to play as him. You can also just play as mario, luigi, both toads, peach, daisy, or toadette instead. Charaters that in there own right are just as popular and appealing to mario fans. Nobody is forcing you to engage with the easymode in Wonder. Honestly its frankly even more out of the way than it has been in other games since its a optional two charaters you can pick from a menu in a simmilar vain to a difficulty selection.
Do i think that nintendo could have picked or made a couple new easy mode charaters or a difficulty option for mario wonder instead of using yoshi? Yes, but do i think its going to take away from the gaming experience of wonder or really dampen it? No not really
Not just Lost Levels. Donkey Kong Arcade game is Mario's very first game and it's brutal as hell.
It is going to take away from the experience for people who are fans of the characters but don’t want to play on easy mode.
I can definitely understand cases where you're forced to use easy mode if in multiplayer. Case and point, New Super Mario Bros U Deluxe. Wonder has the right idea by having multiple non-handicapped characters so that a whole party of 4 can play the game normally, but also plenty of handicapped characters for a party of 4 as well.
If you ask me, I think Super Guides are the right way to go for an "Easy Mode". They don't show up until you fail too many times, and they SHOW YOU how to beat the level normally. Gamess like 3D Land take it way too far with the White Tanooki Suit. You're barely learning anything from using that.
Accessibility options will always be a good thing. You can just not use nabbit. Yes, it's a shame you can't casually use the character or game option, but no easy option is a very bad thing.
Yoshi in every mainline game (not Smash Bros) has been invincible, just running away, or falling down, so it makes sense. Also for Nabbit, when he tries to steal items from toad in the Nabbit levels, he is invincible. It is in the lore. Let kids have an easy mode, get off you high horse, your opinion is dumb. Just don't pick the easy mode/ "Game Journalist Mode". Would you want your yoshi to die if it his an enemy, or would you want it to run frantically away, so you can get it again?
looking at your videos… you just dont like nintendo man. not in a way that you cant criticise it, its just clear that you the exact opposite of Nintendo’s target audience.
Easy Mode is for Players who Don't want things to be too difficult for themselves! for Challenge-Averse People like MYSELF!
I did not watch the entire thing because... Well, my focus was everywhere.
But lemme explain: having the difficulty executed in the way SMB Wonder did is a good approach, way better than White Tanooki and similar shit.
Why? Simple: The Assist Block is a DELIBERATE INSULT to the player. Whether the player dies too many times because of some softlock, or because they created an unwinnable situation, or simply because your little cousin who plays only phone games decided to play while you were taking a dump and wasted almost all your lives in one level.
Not only that, but in the game that the first kind of Assist Block was introduced (Super Guide Block in New Super Mario Bros. Wii), and the game where it was properly introduced (Super Mario 3D Land), even dying too many times was enough to deny you a perfect save, because triggering the block spawning was enough to remove the sparkles on the stars in the title screen.
And lastly: Super Mario Bros Wonder is a family game. What fun would be there for your little cousin if he kept dying over and over by walking into enemies, jumping at the wrong time? Or for you if he constantly kept getting in your way? Or if you are playing with someone who really sucks at platformers?
Plus, unlike the Assist Block which FORCES itself into existence (and as mentioned before, its first iteration and the Super Guide Block were more than just an insult), the easy mode is an ENTIRE SEPARATE option you can go to and fro.
PS.: There is also how the industry, indies included, are now leaning towards having the means of making the game easier for those who struggle, while those who don't can still challenge themselves.
At least Smart Steering locks you out of using a lot of shortcuts, so people who do use it generally don't score that high.
Don't trash talk Nabbit, he's based.
I could understand wanting to play Yoshi and wishing he wasn't "easy mode" because I want to play Yoshi and I will. However, it seems as if he's still effected by the environment, and just because you don't get "damaged" you still receive knockback and have to mind the enemies. Yoshi also has different abilities, and since he cannot pick up powerups like mushrooms or the Elephant transformation, I believe it's more of a "how would we handle this?" He could have health, but that would probably be a little confusing to implement (do all power-ups now just become some Heart or fruit for him to recover HP?).
Simply put, I don't see an issue. I'll play with Daisy, Yoshi, and various others. I'm fine that they offer these in various options even, because my son isn't good with some of these games, but I'll be able to play with him and just have some fun. That's all that matters when I game and how we have fun is also different. You may want to be brutally challenged and play the Souls-like series for that. Some want simulation and strategy and others just want to play with others. Frankly I don't think the way the Mario games have offered assist modes has ever made them bad or hurt their entertainment value. My son is playing SM3D World, and he'll get the white Tanooki suit, but he will still die from the platforms, so it removes on obstacle to let him focus on another. When he gets good at a level's challenge (platforming) he does a bit better now learning the way to tackle the enemies or use the power ups.
I personally see Nintendo used the ‘easy mode’ to give an excuse to give yoshi his special powers such as eating enemies
The one part of your argument I would like to mention is when you said that easy modes shouldn't exist because older games didn't have easy modes, and I think your point is invalid. Yes, its nice to try and overcome a challenge, but just because an easy mode exists doesn't mean you have to use it. Some people just don't have the patience to beat a hard game after failing over and over again. This mainly pertains to kids, and since these games are marketed at everyone, including people with low patience for hard games, it makes sense to add a easy mode for them. And if you want a challenge, just play the game in an unconventional way, like maybe playing mario while barring some or all powerups.
Easy modes don’t ruin a game in the slightest. It’s all optional, and that’s how it will always be, and it’s inclusion doesn’t serve to make the average gamer’s experience worse, it’s too make less experienced players time better. I can agree that it’s not handled well in the Mario games, but again, it’s all optional, nothing is being hurt by the fact that a player can receive assistance from useful power ups to let them finish games they wouldn’t be able to before.
You're telling me they went through the trouble of introducing this whole new badge system, made several badges specifically to make levels easier, and have the caterpillar guy bug you every 5 minutes about how much easier a stage will be if you change your badge
and yet they didn't just include an Easy Mode Badge
I don’t agree with nabbit being bad as he has no unique abilities and that’s how he worked in new Luigi u. I do agree with yoshi is they were going to give him his abilities they should have made a toggle.
I really wish there were options for the Yoshis and Nabbit like a 3 point health bar
Cuase it sucks the only purple representation on the roster is a baby mode 😣
“If you’re bad at a game, you should lose”
Why is that such a controversial statement these days?? People are insane ‘, :/
No no no just because you criticize something doesn't mean people can't rebuttal even if it not good. Stop being soft and acting like your opinion is so valued that everyone has to agree with it.
Imagining an amateur bowler making this video saying bumpers ruin bowling makes it much funnier.
I have never seen someone whinge this much over something optional in a game. Plus, your assertion that these modes don't help with accessibility is blatantly stupid.
I may disagree with you on some parts but I understand your opinion
What a nice response. Have a wonderful day. 😊
3 year olds weren't playing NES back in the day!!! Nintendo is just making it accessible to much MUCH younger.
Your take is so unbelievably bad.
Just don’t use them man calm tf down
These games are aimed towards families, meaning there has to be a way of making the game fair for everybody. You argued that these games are not for kids, yet you didn’t take into consideration just how kids would view these games. These optional modes allow for kids to enjoy these games without getting frustrated or upset while also letting adults stick to the normal modes. Kids want to be able to enjoy games too, and not every kid or even adult wants to sit on the same level if they just can’t beat it.
What I’m trying to say is that it’s not the end of the world for you or for anyone that there are easy modes for games. They are designed for people to keep having fun and especially to keep little children from bawling due to losing on the same level 50 times.
problem with difficulty is that it doesn't really reward you for beating a challenge, it mostly is there to punish you for some dumb reason
It would be easier to have a simple difficulty selection on the menu rather than force an unnecessary handicap on a fan-favorite character. These easy modes remove challenges, and discourage players in wanting to better their skills since they can just not try and be given the win. When you play a game, you want to get better at the game, develop your skills, and improve. It's what makes gaming so much fun.
Yes, I get these easy modes are optional and you can ignore them, in some cases. But what if these easy modes serve as a detriment to the game? Look at New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe, at least one player is forced to use an easy mode character, and has an unfair advantage in multiplayer. Multiplayer in Wonder is gonna be in a similar boat if someone uses Yoshi, or Nabbit, and that's going to ruin multiplayer for some people. It's even infesting more hardcore games like Metroid Dread, the game got a game journalist mode as part of a free update last year that turns this very difficult experience into a cakewalk. And getting back to Wonder, what if you want to play as Yoshi? You can't unless you're fine having a handicapped experience. Yoshi's a fan-favorite, he's just as beloved, if not more than popular characters like Luigi, Daisy, and Wario. Getting to play as Yoshi in 2D Mario? Oh, hell yeah, sign me up! *sees Yoshi's an easy mode character* No, no, no, no, no!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love Yoshi, love him to death, and when I found out he was playable in Wonder, I was going to play the game as him, but after finding out he's an easy mode character, I'm going to avoid using him because he's just going to make the experience less fun for me.
The whole argument that it's "for kids" needs to stop. Kids aren't stupid, and we need to stop treating them like they're morons. Mario games are fairly easy to pick up, understand, and play. This isn't Elden Ring. Kids today play games like Grand Theft Auto V and Call of Duty, games more complex than a 2D Mario game. Kids can play FPS games no trouble. If an 8 year old can play Call of Duty, they're gonna have no trouble picking up Wonder.
The push for easy modes and making gaming more "accessible" is going to be a double-edged sword and in turn make gaming less fun and overall boring.
I'm NOT saying games should be reserved for super skilled players and that Mario games need to be difficult like The Lost Levels. Kids need experience some challenge, not torture. If you lose because you suck at the game, you should lose. But you know what you do? Try the game again, build up skill, learn from your mistakes, and when you beat the difficult obstacle, it'll feel very rewarding. Losing isn't fun, but it's not the end of the world. If you lose, get back up and try again until you succeed. It'll feel all the most satisfying knowing you conquered a challenge you once thought impossible.
I've been gaming for nearly 25 years. I'm not some gaming elitist that believes gaming should be only for super skilled players, but I believe that games need to be fun and offer a level of challenge and not be hampered by arbitrary limitations that serve as nothing but a detriment to the overall game.
Agreed! I feel like kids these days are still better at gaming than most gaming journalists.
I read this whole thing, and I agree with all of it.
"It's even infesting more hardcore games like Metroid dread" true and yet ppl still complain about the game in rookie mode being "still too hard" on Reddit. They might as well just watch a longplay of the game and other games like Sekiro on UA-cam if they want a game that "invincibility mod" brain dead easy. These types of casual gamers that constantly beg for easy modes to games like Sekiro are way more lazy, selfish and entitled than people who criticize a game for being too easy. The real accessibility is letting people use subtitles and adjusting its size, letting ppl remap controls, add an anti-epilepsy mode, colorblind mode, better tutorial, but NOT dumbing down games. All this dumb dumbing down games is just an insult to kids and ppl with disabilities intelligence and is very patronizing. A basketball game for sure as hell won't be enjoyable if one team is allowed to double dribble and has a 6 foot hoop vs a team not allowed to double dribble while having a normal 10 ft hoop, just the same exact unfair advantage that Mario wonder multiplayer potentially has that u mentioned.
you really made an essay for this one specific easy mode huh?
I am just glad trust this petty video isn’t going anywhere. Clearly don’t understand the actual reason for easy mode. I knew this was going to be worthless and pointless and I am extremely happy the comments are agreeing.
Yeah, it's a lil sad. I was gonna play as red yoshi but I guess I'm gonna have to go with Mario or Y. Toad. Would be cool if it was a toggle option, or if it was was like toadette in U deluxe where she could still take damage, and power up, but was just easier to control and play from the others. In Yoshi's case he could keep the flutter jump and have one transformation. But I guess it saves on resources. I'd imagine elephant Yoshi would have a green trunk replacing his nose, who knows what nabbit would look like. Nabbit transformations would be cool but makes sense for him to be God mode. anyways good vid. (Edit: I forgot this. At least yoshi has knock back when you touch an enemy which would allow you to get thrown in lava but yeah)
While I do think it is good for a game to have an easy mode, I want to be able to play yoshi normally. A bit of a bummer.