My daughter has Down syndrome. The doctors told me how awful her life would be and offered abortion. I was devestated cried like a baby. She’s 16 now and a beautiful girl. I hate those doctors for never talking about how awesome the outcomes can be for both parents and children. It was so pathetic. Now I’m in this exclusive love club ❤. She’s taught me so much. And I, her.
I thank God you didn't give up in those 2 painful years or I wouldn't have learned about you or heard your thoughts on life. I have been binge watching you for over a year now, including everything from old clips from your teaching days to more recent interviews and current events. I thank God you are still alive and I hope you know how important you are and what an incredible influence you have been to countless people in this world. You are here for an important purpose and only God knows fully why, but I like to think that one tiny reason is because you've changed my life for the better. Thank you JBP. God bless you and your family.
This is why we love this doctor. Not only does he know how to heal the mind, he confesses his pain in front of the whole world, while practicing all that he teaches to demonstrate his methodology and practicality. Truly Trustworthy and Honest.
Dude he was a drug addict, not someone suffering from a painful, lethal disease. In case you don't understand what he's talking about here; It's his benzodiazepine abuse...
@@masterticcu he "abused" those drugs as prescribed. There are severe problems with those drugs, and at his level in society (and his industry), would be easier to get than candy. As far as I can tell, he still puts faith in the medical system.
This was a very important video. I’m a Hospice Nurse and I deal with death in many of its forms on a daily bases. Thank you for sharing your story and being so vulnerable and courageous. You have done so much for me in my life. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I know how you feel man. Cancer is eating away at me and the pain is incessant and miserable. I'm pushing against it as best I can with meds and meditation. Some days it seems to work and brings relief. There are enough of those days I guess to keep me hanging on. The way I look at it is that there's still hope while I'm on the green side of the turf. Canada's medical system continues to becon me come to the mercy of MAID. I've told my doctors to stop with that recommendation. Above all agony I still feel loved, and why would I willingly turn away from that?
Hello my friend. Thank you for your powerful words and testimony. The fact that you believe you are loved and use that as the reason to hang on is magnificent. I am praying for you and your family as you fight this battle. I know this may seem contrived or opportunistic, but I encourage you to develop a relatioinship with Jesus Christ as your savior if you have not. Whether or not you have years left in this life or not, it is the most important choice you can make, and I hope you do make that choice, and if you already have, I am so proud to have you as a sister in Christ. God bless you from the state of Tennessee.
I lost my mom in December. She was suffering from (terminal) stage 4 melanoma, which had metastasized aggressively into her liver and spine. When the time came that she decided to take matters into her own hands medically, I was angry. Angry that she didn't want to fight any longer, and that she was willing to give up what time we had left with her. But that anger was self-serving. It was about my inability to imagine my own life without her in it, and didn't acknowledge how much she was truly suffering with no realistic hope that the treatments would do more than extend her life a few months. At the end, seeing her so diminished broke me. Here was the most vital, challenging, influential person in my life, bedridden and reduced to brief moments of wakefulness between long periods of sleep she could only 'enjoy' because of the heavy painkillers and sedatives she was prescribed. I love my mom, and I wish so badly I could have had her in my life even a few moments longer. But it wasn't hard to recognize at the end that she'd endured more than her share, and that to deny her the right to decide when enough was enough would have been crueller than to get her the medical help she needed to pass on her terms. She was taken from us far too early and too young, on the brink of her sixties, and our whole family is poorer for her loss. But I can't imagine looking her in the eye and telling her that she needed to suffer any more than she felt she could endure, knowing that there was no hope it would ever get any better. If there's one thing I truly believe is a right no government or organization should be able to take from us all it's the right to decide we can endure no longer, and our time has come to rest.
So sorry for your loss Chris. I lost my mother last year. She faced a lot during her last five years but her strong faith and her desire to live helped her endure incredible pain and challenges. I hope you have peace knowing your mother is now in heaven and no longer burdened by pain and illness and you will be reunited with her again some day.
Totally agree. If someone you love is suffering beyond their endurance, and everything has been tried to help, then they have to have the right to decide to die in the way they are most comfortable with. Surely that's the most humane thing we can do for each other. We're all going to go, I doubt any of us would want to linger on in agony without anyone to help us at the end. I'm very sorry for your loss.
Your mother had every right to choose palliative care or hospice. And if that means cranking up the morphine even though it would shorten her life, I have no issue. My problem is giving the government that power.
@@diannalaubenberg7532 The problem with a non formalised approach, though, is that it can lead to prosecution for loved ones or doctors who hasten a painful and otherwise lingering death at the request of someone terminally ill. The CPS here in the UK has brought several cases against the spouses of terminally ill people for helping them to die. That environment also means that doctors are much less likely to 'up the morphine' or something similar for fear of repercussions. I don't think it's acceptable that someone who is terminally ill in the UK currently has to travel to Switzerland for help to die in a manner of their choosing. It means they have to travel while they are still mobile, and die far from home surrounded by strangers. That doesn't seem civilised.
@Joe-ns8zb I agree with you wholeheartedly, and suggest that it speaks well to the quality of the interview being given. I'm sure you'll agree that there have been a number of Dr. Peterson's interviews where commentators and panelists incessantly interrupted him and attacked his line of thinking. I am uncertain if their rationale was to allow him to strengthen and confirm his statements, or an effort to 'shout him down', because they didn't agree with his line of thought.
@@Balaskh He completely addressed the point as suggested in the description: "Drawing on historical parallels, he cautions against the potential dangers of government control over life and death decisions." By how similar 'MAID' is to historical unofficial practice through a physician, patient, and family @10:00. So it SHOULDN'T be up to the government. In regards to depression and suicide, he's a survivor!
Shame he does not extend that same courtesy to the actual intellectuals he interviews, he bullied the 💩 out of Richard Dawkins and it was shameful to witness and really embarrassing!
This is a very sensitive topic, especially to me. I just lost my sister in the 14th. She has been suffering for over 40 years, and she just got done with it. There is no such thing as assisted suicide in Texas, so she devised her own plan. She forced them to release her from the hospital, and just allowed her disease to take its course. She did take her own life in the end. So, there is now no way I will ever to be able to pass judgment on those who take their own lives. She was the sweetest, kindest, most caring person you could ever meet, and she just felt that she had nothing left to give. However, the rest of our family is still absolutely devastated in the wake. Thank you, Dr. Peterson for talking about this topic. It is not only germane and pertinent, it is important that we all learn to talk about death.
@@aaronstasel8292 I lost my stepdaughter to mental illness and she took her own life early Christmas morning 2015. She was only 19 years old. So to say I understand the depth of this situation is fact. My heart goes out to you I wish you good things and kindness to offset this terrible grief we carry.
You never have to explain it to us. If anything, we understand the pain that comes with being in this world. And we can even relate... I believe that it doesn't matter who does what, we'll all go to the same place. Even Adolf Hitlers essence is experiencing euphoria. I don't believe anyone will be subjected to any form of judgment once we pass on. Just make sure that you are content with what you've done thus far. Either way, we aren't getting out of this world alive. It doesn't matter how we go out
@@curiousme8793I would say it matters HOW, but not WHEN. That's what the world wants to dictate. We all know we're going but the powers that be want to have the authority to say WAIT. Yet if I, a lone wolf says that I want the whole cosmos to die at once, right this instant, I'm met with the hypocrisy of reality. They tell me I have no authority.
I am married to a quadriplegic and every day I'm grateful she is here...we have had 3 children since her injury and she is still able to work, which she enjoys very much. Yes, life has many challenges, but it is still worth living. We know many other people with spinal cord injuries who have been pressured into assisted suicide and have considered it purely because of coercion. And yes, pressured is the word, by abusive families, spouses, governments, doctors etc. There is way too much potential for abuse, especially of people who are already in a vulnerable position and may feel like a burden.
@Kevin Kelly when healthy people are suicidal, we go to great lengths prevent their suicide, not assist it under the guise of "choice". Why would we treat people with disabilities differently? If we are assisting some suicides but preventing others, then that means that it's not about choice - - it's about a value judgment that some lives aren't worth living and some people are better off dead.
Dr. Peterson, you are so important to a great many people and we are grateful that you have fought through and continue to do so. The world would be so much less without you.
@@psychcowboy1 yes he did-and spoke from the heart. Your question likely comes from a place of resentment and lack of compassion but you look in the mirror and judge. 🙏🏼
@@djnv4702 Compassion doesn't scale as you move up the hierarchy of complexity, if agreeableness is the fundamental ethos for large scale social organizations, then more agreeable people should make better managers, they don't they make worse managers, disagreeable people make better managers. Also, the world languishes to the degree that you are not all that you could be, and God orients you to the promised land and imbues you with the enthusiasm to make your way out of the tyranny...each story is a narrative circumambulation the union of virtues that could be embodied in perception and action that constitute the pinnacle of the pyramid...the hierarchy of society...The transcendent is what we bump up against when we realize our ignorance. It is an implacable fact. We can think can about it technically, you tend to represent the world in the simplest manner that you can that works for what you are doing, you don't actually see the world, you see useful low-resolution representations of the world, sometimes you have a misapprehension about someone, the conversation goes sideways, the thing that you thought you are conversing with is not the thing you are conversing with, that manifests itself as error, what is revealing itself is the reality that is outside and beneath your perceptions, what you see is a sense of animated cartoons, do you agree?
Every time I listen to this man, and he could go on for a while giving historic examples, i wait til the very end because I know he's going to finish it with a smh profoundness! Abs he never disappoints!
@@alil6547 we all have points in our life that are like a valley under death's shadow. It is literally a very low point in your life. There is zero problem with using such metaphor to extend to yourself or others. David used it for himself. Yes the Text is taken out of context often, but this? This is completely harmless and good even. Why not use metaphors the Bible uses? The Bible connects things all the time to make points.
Presumed crazy = anti depressants and libido killers for males. Trouble maker = some medicine that spoil your blood that you have to do hemodyalisis weekly. Conservative : cut off her thyroid and call it cancer for females. People go wearing diapers to see the doctors because they are scared. Sibling or relative to the target : give progressive blindness or some bone pathology.
Dr Peterson, you are such an elegant man. So masculine while still comfortable with expressing emotion. I'm sure that you have become the man you are through more trials, pain filled lessons, endless hours of introspection, studying academics. You are nowhere close to my grandfather's age, yet your wisdom & demeanor are so much like his was. When my grandfather passed on, I was only 17, my life felt like it had lost its meaning. A light had gone out in my heart, in my mind. I cried for 2 months after that. He was the only man I have ever felt truly loved me. I felt his love even long after he passed on. He was a very principled man. He was tall, very strong, intelligent, wore his heart on his sleeve, so to speak. Long after his passing, a cousin contacted me about money that my grandfather had left to me that I didn't know about. I was so broke I couldn't even afford to pay attention. I had prayed for some help, I was considering suicide, that's how much of a dark place I was in. Like a guardian angel, my grandfather reached out to give me some hope, some comfort. I wish there were not just hundreds more men like you; I wish there were trillions of men like you. The world needs men like you! I'm sure that life isn't 100% beds of roses & that you can win any disagreement. That's okay. Heated discussions are often the sandpaper that smoothes relationships.
I enjoyed your comments; it is satisfying and delightful to experience the love and support of those who have passed from our lives. Your loving dedication to your grandfather, no doubt, keeps his spirit alive.
Amen to that! I'm 57 & am just learning now of some dark things about both my grandma's. I only knew my paternal grandparents: mum's parents both died in the 1950's. When I read comments like yours my heart aches for what could have been
If having a discussion leads to your ex husband threatening to 'Smash the car into the wall while driving at 60mph'. I think that's why I try to not have discussions with him. He is an EX husband and he had been persistently abusive. No one helps
@nicolemurphy2629 my ex husband did that exact same thing. With the exception that he said he would take our infant son along with him for that ride. Needless to say he had to go and go he did. And you are correct. When I told even my four brother,s they backed up stating that it was a domestic and they didn't want to get involved. 😒 it's amazing how you can go from terrified for your life to extremely mad and instead I took him to court and in time I got more than even. I got custody
@@ilse3887 A woman only needed a new wheelchair, can't give you that now, too expensive, but we can offer you euthanasia. Another is a 27 year old autistic girl who has been put on the list, and the father can't find out what makes her eligible. A woman with cancer had to go to US to get treatment because all Canada would offer was maid you are going to die anyway. She is now alive well and in complete remission. True stories that's how.
Lady who needed a new wheelchair. They said to her, we can't give you a new wheelchair too expensive, but we can offer you MAID. Is that what you call a choice?
So very happy you are still here with us, Dr P. You are a remarkable man and thank you for all you do for the world by sharing your wisdom and thoughts. May live very long and very healthy!
This is so beautifully said. Until I watched my father die of bone cancer I wouldn't have understood medically assisted suicide the way I do now. He kept asking why can't I go in the days before he passed.
Having listened to you speak for some time now, I often find myself paraphrasing your words to express my own thoughts because you’ve articulated them better than I could. More than once in this brief clip, you stated almost verbatim things which I’ve been saying for years. I find it quite comforting to hear the words spoken by someone with your intelligence and integrity.
In the right circumstances, MAID is a precious gift. A dear friend of mine in his 70s was diagnosed with rapid onset Lou Gehrig's disease. He went from a completely independent, lived-off-the-land, physically fit man to a fragile, slumped over bag of bones in less than a year. He held out for as long as he could, but he signed up for MAID, and when he could not longer take care of himself he made the call. The state doesn't make the decision - you do. It takes 2 doctors to confirm that there is no chance of recovery and that you absolutely want to do it. Lawyers are involved. It's not an easy thing to do on a whim and the government doesn't push you into it. That tough old man was able to go out on his own terms, not choking to death on his own drool for as long as his body held out. I have seen too many people waste away and die of awful ailments, and he was the first one to actually die with dignity and at peace. The first person I know who was able to say his goodbyes and leave when all was taken care of. Even as a child I never understood why we would save our beloved pets from suffering but we couldn't do the same for loved ones or ourselves. I, for one, and SO glad that we finally have the right to die.
My opinion the provider of said process shouldn’t be a collective kind of any institution or group. It needs to be a non existent body, rather a option your own individual doctor can provide should she/he feel there is no other alternative, Not a group that’s existence is benefited by people being suicidal government or private..
@@Sarandib22 how does government or healthcare benefit? Dead men pay no taxes, though checking out of long term care can save a lot. One of the caveats is that you need to be of sound mind, and family has always had the decision of withholding palliative care from patients being kept alive. The difference is now a family has a chance to euthanize a grandma who is brain-dead from stroke, while my grandmother just had IV and oxygen withheld until she passed "naturally" in two days. THAT is fucking barbaric.
@@Sarandib22 I see what you're saying, but it's the doctors and the person/family involved who make the call, not the government agency. If the doctors reject them on any premise, the agency cannot step in and say "do it anyway." Of course the government will look at savings and benefit (and organ donation is a HUGE one) - it's cold, but it's statistically relevant, especially when trying to sway some of those still on the fence. Saving money by not utilizing crazy-expensive resources to keep a dying person alive for no other reason than the family would be sad is not inherently a bad thing. I do get what you're saying about concerns with government/private profit. However, in a capitalist economy that's always going to be the issue. That's why government accountability to the people is so important. But most of us would rather be monkeys dancing to the tune of gender conflict, masks, or personal scandal than actually pay attention to the issues that really matter (but that's a conversation for another day!).
I can relate. For 6 years I lived similarly. Took me 2 - 3 hours of being awake in bed to build the fortitude to get up. Sometimes I went 5 - 6 days not eating. The only thing I left the house for was to go to the Bottle Shop to get alcohol to drink until I felt numb. Depression can be nasty.
I watch Netflix all night eating fast food and I sleep at 4 wake at about 3 in afternoon only get up to use bathroom then it s back to the bed. I LOVE IT
I was stricken with transverse myelitis 2 1/2 years ago. Every day is hell in terms of pain and functional loss. There is no tx methods for improvement. As soon as I am no longer needed by my family to provide, I am out of this life, and I will be grateful to leave.
There is an authenticity about you that is extremely rare Mr Peterson, a genuine and deeply felt need to express your inner language of the soul with the intention to somehow reach inside another person and transmit the message that yes, life can be excruciating sometimes and extremely painful but there are moments of deep peace and understanding and even when it feels so bad, we can overcome and rise again to fight another day. Thank you Jordon, for thinking of us.
I wouldn't say so. He talks about Nazis and mass murder all the time, and usually the murders are in the 10s of millions, not 30K. You can talk about tortures, and starvation. And the cruelties inflicted. The weird thing in Canada is that only 14% of the population voted for trudeau.
His honesty is astonishing; there is no phoniness with this man. Everything you see is precisely what you get! He has faced significant,medical, political and educational institutional pressure, which would have been decreased if he had succumbed. He didn't, thankfully. He is the Albert Einstein, Aristotle, and John Locke of the twenty-first century-a man for our times, a rare savior of common sense.
Dear Jordan Peterson, thank you from the bottom of my heart for standing up and facing the dark forces that are at work today. The example you have set for us all is priceless: Your intellect is a marvel, your courage and honesty awesome to behold. There is no doubt your opus will be remembered by history, and will influence the outcome of the current culture war. May God bless you a thousand times over, keeping you and your family in health and perfect safety.
Last year I lost a friend to pancreatic cancer. I feel terrible that I didn't help him take the hint that was laid down by a hospice nurse about the dosage of the morphine that he was given... It's going to be a burden. The guy was absolutely at the end of his time, and what little he had left still gives me nightmares. Which make me feel terrible, because I'm feeling horror over what must have been a million times worse for him. Dr. Peterson is 100% right. This was all better when it's handled in a quiet and dignified way.
My husband died from prostate cancer, my son by suicide. I WISH I had not been so selfish and helped both of them...but then, feeling guilt doesn't make my life better. We have to work on ourselves and try not to repeat our errors--let us become better people now!
@@louisaellingham602 So much suffering in the world :(. I am sorry for your loss. I hope the good times stay with you and that you manage to carry your pain.
The absolute worst thing about my chronic pain, caused from multiple back surgeries, was the despair in the eyes of my parents when they came running, but also knowing that there was nothing they could do
My wife died from cancer in exactly 3 months from collapsing to passing away with palliative care in 2019..she was 51..upon reflection it was an absolutely excruciating situation for her as I tried with the doctors every single life expanding procedure. But some cancers cannot be cured. Was I trying to keep her alive for my sake and therefore being selfish? It disturbs me every day ( 4 yr anniversary coming July 1st) but I simply could not do nothing and I had to try and ‘save her’. She was my everything and it was my privilege to know and love her. Do we treat animals ( our pets ) more humanely than we do each other? I know that if I was in her situation I would appreciate an option.
So sorry for your loss, J9rdan didn't expound on the truth about MAID, what he didn't say was that they give you a drug that completely paralyzes you then you the next drug causes your lungs to fill with fluids until you drown to death, which is a horrific way to die and you can't let your loved ones know because your paralyzed. I don't believe you made the wrong choice!
I'm just so disappointed that the government doesn't really want to give you assistance in living, and if they do, it's begrudgingly and with caveats. But, Assistance in dying? All for it. Makes me wonder, honestly... *Why?!*
It's part of secular modernity. If you do not have economically utility - or worse, a net-drain financially, the only "way" to "properly" deal with you, is to kill you. After all, you're suffering and inconveniencing others. The government has no heart, it's purely functional. It doesn't help that the way society is set up has made it a more favorable choice.
I love this man so much for his emotional intelligence as well as his beautiful brain. To the ignorants Dr. Peterson becoming emotional, looks to them as if he is emotionally, unwell, and that could not be further from the truth. I was sick most of my life, emotionally and cry wasn’t even possible . Now that I have healed, I cry all the time and it makes me feel human, and I have nothing to be ashamed of. I’m sure Dr. Peterson knows this as well and he is modelling wonderful behaviour to other people out there. It’s the people who can talk about horrific things that happened to them and not shed a tear are the ones you have to worry about.
Oh my God, Dr. Peterson, if MAiD were a thing when you were so desperately ill, we might have lost you. We almost did. Not a day goes by I don’t not take for granted that we still have you. I am so thankful that pain is in the past for you. Here’s a very gentle but very fierce hug. I think if you had gone to the other side and left your life work unfinished it would have been greater pain and hell for you than what you endured. Please know how fiercely and tenderly you are loved.
Good talk, over and over, you earn my respect. Having wrapped up last year, 5 years of care for my parents, of which I was the sole guardian, and home style hospice care at the end. I have tasted death first hand and with the two, maybe the only two people on earth i would have gave my life for. I learned .... I have no right to selfishly extend or contract another's lifespan. Modern medicine is a double edge sword. Dad passed fairly quickly, and all but 2 weeks on his feet. Mom, well she did not go as quickly. There came a time, when my "conscious" spoke to me, and said MERCY. (Movie Braveheart came to mind) I had at my disposal steriods, and a wide variety of medications beyond the pain/anxiety management tools. When I let go, in 10 days she passed peacefully at home. Still feel it, but now, I believe it was the right thing to do, and my conscience is not punishing me for my part.
You absolutely did the right thing by your mother. it must have been extremely difficult and I hope to god I'm never in a situation like that, but you weren't stopping her passing with the best will in the world. Instead you were able to give your mother the best any of us could hope for. A relatively peaceful death at home supported by a loving child right to the very end. You were without a shadow of a doubt a blessing to your parents.
Been on year 3 of a chronic pain/mystery problem that took my ability to sit and have been working to make it back since then. Thank you for sharing your journey in all the details, especially that you found hope after not visiting switzerland.
If the doctors can’t find out what is causing the pain then it is probably made up. Anyway the collective shouldn’t be expected to provide for you if you cannot prove you are sick.
@@elisagermain66 Of course, I'm sorry to hear this but hopefully I can be of help. Regular chiropractor visits, pelvic floor physiotherapy, pushing through the pain when possible to become more active (walks, hip stretches, yoga). Most important of all remembering that it is a marathon not a sprint, progress will come just not as quick as you may want it to. Therapy/Counselling or even someone to talk to about it is also highly important.
For me it started as severe chronic pelvic pain and overall incredible soreness and pain in hips and lower back. To the point where I was laying down mostly everyday for a year or so and had to dropout of school. It's been four years and I've made progress enough to where I can sit on a special cushion for a while (designed for tailbone problems) and am getting back the ability to do things I used to slowly but surely. Frequent Chiro and Physio are to thank most of all for this
My 86 yr old father had cancer of the lungs, liver and bowel. He was stoic until he was not. The pain and suffering was horrible. He chose MAID. I am glad it was available There was no goodness to be had having him suffer longer
@@Mr80jb Poetic notions like that are easily typed from the safe confines of your room. They seem ridiculous and vain when faced with the harsh reality.
In some cases it is good to have but if we let ourselves too far then suddenly doctors first reaction to cancer would be "We can help you to end it." instead of try and cure it. They would just say in your eyes to don't fight, just end it because its easier for them. Then they expend it to the depressed and the poor. "We help them end the suffering so we don't need to help them. So utopia like isn't it, no poverty, no ill person's, no depressed, no homelessness. Why? Because they all dead. Then they expend it for minors, Wait but how cold you have give them the right if they can't decide for themselves, Oh soo the parents have that right. So a parent and care takers have the right to dicide for an unresponsive child or family member, so they can get rid of them if they don't want to bother with them. If you want to pass a law dont just watch what is the best it can be used for. Think!! Whats the worst it can used for?
Depends on the country. In the US doctors and hospitals make WAY more money keeping you alive. They absolutely want you to live, quality has no part.@@attilaosztopanyi9468
My only problem with MAID as it is now is that its being abused by doctors, a veteran who called to complain that a wheelchair ramp hadn't been installed when it was supposed to be (waiting for months now) the doctor she spoke to offered her MAID as an option, but i still believe it should be a choice for people with terminal illnesses to end their lives on their own terms
the grossest violation of human rights in the 1st world is the inability of an adult to be able to choose when and how they die. the gouging medical industry's income would be catastrophically affected; that's why it's being blocked.
I am glad that Jordan feels better, but I am currently watching a friend suffer with Parkinson's and in the past someone suffering motor neurone disease. Surely it is up to the individual just how much they can stand. It should not be a government decision to end their lives but yes protected so others cannot make the decision for them. Some pain and suffering is beyond our comprehension.
Yes I say that as well that only those who have experienced constant agony are the only people who understand I listened to a man die from a cancer beg for pain relief make noises that normally wouldn't sound human it never let up it gives me nightmares to this day
It’s one thing to tell a 19 year old, who has suffered from depression, that it will get better, but someone who has suffered for decades is another scenario.
I was so sick in 2020😢😢😢 I applied for MAID.. I have a mental disorder that turned extremely bad in 2020 I was suicidal for 10 months!!! Yes every single day I thought of suicide!!! I was denied MAID. I was so upset when I was denied and I kept writing to MAID. When I look back today, I’m so glad that I made it!!! My mental disorder is about 95% better!!! I’m glad that I was denied MAID !!!
This is exactly why sensible governments would never allow psychiatric patients MAID. Only people who have suffered from depression and come out the other side understand how _unequivocally_ and _indisputably_ irrational suicidal thoughts are (speaking from experience btw). Depression is a disease, and asking the depressed mind to make a decision about its own demise, is like asking an alcoholic whether he'd like a bottle of vodka.
I am so happy to hear this story! I don’t know you or really anything about you, but I am so happy hearing that you made it through this extremely dark time and have hope again. No one should be told that they are better off dead. I’m so so happy that you are alive today!
@@NorthernRealmJackal You can't say that, actually. Your suicidal ideation may have been irrational, but not all suicidal ideation is irrational. You take a paternalizing, disempowering stance towards everyone who would exercise their autonomy. I could turn the tables on you and say "life-loving is a disease, so your pleas that I spare your life shouldn't be acknowledged" before pulling the trigger. It's nonsense.
But, thank God, you had family to help you. Imagine if while you were that degree of horrific, painful illness you had nobody. No help. You might've thought differently. 🤷♀️
We have passed a bill for medically assisted death. You have to be 6 months within death of a terminal illness. I have had 2 family members die of cancer, the pain, suffering was horrendous to witness. My Pop begged for death and his death was excruciating and long, my Dad was fighting to the end and didn't want to go. I would hope if I'm able to stop my animals suffering that someone would do the same for me in the instance. It has to be a personal choice not one dreamed up by someone who has no idea.
I am speechless in the face of the depth of clarity and wisdom offered in this response. Keep the government out of the death business. The beginning is grabbing tax money, the end is always cost savings.
You can tell this guy has had a long life, and has seen a lot of suffering, experienced a lot himself too. Being a psychologist, im sure he has heard some heavy things, that make you think about the big questions of the world.
@@Shiggystardust Often, he doesn't. It is his style to make YOU answer it. And this is one of the reasons why people love JBP - he doesn't treat his audience like idiots.
@@Chordonblue well we can agree to disagree. You can’t call someone honest who doesn’t give you their opinion. Giving your opinion isn’t talking down to a. Audience it’s letting them make an informed decision. Hitchens use to never talk down to his audience and would give a very straight forward answers.
Thank you for talking about this ,its been on my mind for almost a year since I've found out about it nd have been telling my close family and friends about it but its such comfort to know someone with an audience is finally talking about it
My heart hurts everyday, I tell myself I am worthless ,a bad parent, and a low life. I feel like this world would be a better place without me in it. I want my family to know that the pain and the thoughts are so bad that everyday gets worse. I want them to know that I'm sorry an I hope they seen that I at least tried an that this wasn't their fault
Please stay with us! I'm a family support worker, I work with many parents who think of themselves this way, but I can tell you that they are not bad people, they love their children, they just haven't had the chance to learn some things, and hadn't had good examples in their lives, it's not their fault, and often things do get better. The world is hardly ever a better place for a child without their parent in it. I know the bond children have with their parent and how they suffer when they're apprehended and separated, and death is permanent separation. I've learned one thing in all the years: a less than perfect home is a better place for a child than separated from their mother and father. Please seek counselling with controlling your negative thoughts, it is out there, and it can help stabilize your life. All the best, I'm rooting for you.
Many suffer daily as you do. You are not alone. You are doing much better than you know. Do the best you can, take small steps forward. I try to commit to small changes to do better in small ways for my children. Nobody is a perfect mother, give yourself grace. Learn from your mistakes and love always wins. Focus on the love for your child, they need you. It doesn’t have to be perfect, just has to be good enough. A good enough mother is something you already probably are, you are just hard on yourself for your failures and mistakes and all mothers have those. You can do this, trust in god and small steps forward . Your kids need you and this world needs you. We need good people doing their best
God love's you no matter what, in the messiness of life, we are still a person created in the image and likeness of God, go forward, not backwards, when you know better then you can go from there. I know, because I've felt the very same, wishing I could go back and do it differently. God love's us just where we are with all our faults and failings, we can say I didn't realise many thing's now I do and I can start again, This day is the first day of the rest of your life, treasure every day and gives thanks to God, and love him and other's 🙏💞
I've been through this. It's been 1.5yrs....and I still rarely sleep. I'll say this: Dr. Peterson's struggle only increases my respect for him (which is tough, as I have always respected Dr. P quite a lot.).
Dr Peterson was lucky he had the money to go to exclusive clinics for help overseas. It does not diminish his effort in any way just commenting in a country with "free" healthcare, in my area there is a 3yr wait to see a psychiatrist for an appointment and detox, or private programs for eating disorders, or such are pay to p,as, or private insurance. So help isn't readily available, family Dr's are scarce, and so suffering individuals are left with holiness to call. The system needs fixing, but our current leader would rather it fail, and he supports private health care. ..but not less taxes!
I feel for you. Life is torment for some of us. Nobody knows the depth of your pain and distress except you. Each person should have a right to choice, that is all that should ever matter.
There is someone who loves you. Someone who cares. Someone to whom you add love and life to. And if you really don’t have that, have you found a safe place with the Heavenly Father? If anyone can help, it’s Him. He does love you so much. My heart goes out to you. I’ve felt that despair. Prayers for you my friend.❤
If we don't give people a dignified way out, they'll take a painfull way out, possibly involving others. Like jumping off a building, in front of a train, taking overdoses and being found by family members. It's just so much unnecessary suffering. Who am I to tell a suffering person to keep suffering?
As I like to say our world loves talking about freedom and telling you you make your own choices the moment you tell them you want to leave all of a sudden all that is thrown out the window and you are a problem that needs to be fixed. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
Thank you Dr Peterson for your sincere words of kind. I lost my mom to cancer last month and was an excruciating pain to see her every day getting worst and worst. I got traumatized by looking at her and begging me to do something when there was nothing to do and she was going to die. It pierced my soul. I cry when I think about her and how she should have felt going through that nightmare. I am very glad to made it and survived, but if it is a dead end... you should be able to take your own life if it means it will take you out of your misery and there is no medicine or treatment for you because living on a support system or extending your life without a dignity and good quality of life it is NOT life, it is hell.
I watched my own mother go through a terrible time the year before she died. She had 5 collapsed vertebrae - very painful- and COPD. So I know how you felt. But here’s the thing: the suffering in this life is due to wrong actions in a past life. Karma never forgets an address - unless one has done intense purification practices to clean up the karma. So the karma is going to be experienced, either in this life or the next. Cutting off this life via MAID only postpones the experience of the karma to the next life, which of course comes very soon. One has to keep a strong mind in the face of suffering. The suffering burns the bad karma. Your and my mother’s bad karma was burnt via their suffering. They didn’t have to carry it into the next life. Of course one does everything possible to relieve the suffering, but self-killing is no answer. I am sorry your mother suffered but you can rejoice in the fact that she didn’t have to carry that bad karma into her new life.
@@minoozolalaI hope you can appreciate how, to someone who doesn't subscribe to your particular interpretation of karma, this might seem like an absolutely vile thing to say. If I believed in karma, I'd much rather look at it as her enjoying a better life in the future because of undeserved suffering.
God is the giver of life, and he decides when a person's life should end, the song said, a time to be born and a time to die, a time to sow and a time to reap etc. why are we taking decisions that are not our decisions to make. Why are we making it our business, turn to God and pray, and peace will be in the circumstance
More people need to see this. This kind of policy takes on a very different meaning if you've ever been through one of those low points in life. Many of us have, but many others haven't. They have no idea what the stakes are. There is a reason we don't make such decisions lightly, and such decisions should never be made by bureaucrats with no skin in the game, so to speak.
thats why you dont get assisted suicide because you are on a "low point" Nobody who talks about this seriously sais that. And in the countries where assisted suicide is legal, neither petersson nor you would be able to actually get one. The government is not involved beside giving the strict regulations and it is made sure that nobody is able to go through with an assisted suicide if there isnt actually no hope left for you. So you are basicly close to death most of the times. Not psychologicly but physicly so stop acting as if someone is gonna kill you the moment you ask for it because you "are on a low point"
Several countries on this planet need a revolution. The people need to decide they have had enough of the elite with no vested interest in the people leading us. It is time to kick them to the curb. Its time to start valuing the agency of people as a whole instead of relying on shepherds to lead sheep.
Typical end of life “care” can be $250k , so govt “insurance” offers a lump sum end-of-life incentive of $30k , for palliative “care” = by drug only , “don’t worry it wont cost extra” “sign here” “its included” , complete with pain med overdose, chemically failed kidneys/bowels, locked up joints , severe hallucinations, when you’re barely able to grunt (they ask you to rate your pain) (the worst is from the bowel blockage) , you get more on a sponge , without water to increase the concentration. The greatest pain is from the bowel blockage(caused by the meds). Most facilities (but not all) cant resist the temptation of fast money to pay for the 3story waterfall and enormous “administration” (keep the shareholders happy) , while lowering the life expectancy rate , to a point where it’s (Usa) beat out by a fourth of the world countries , some that don’t have a medical industry , at all…..
MAID is as simple as printing out the simplest of documents, filling it out, and a two week waiting period. There are no longer any rules in the game. It’s exactly the same as when they first legalized cannabis for medical purposes only, anyone/everyone could have a medical purpose. Labels are just paperwork at this point.
My grandfather became terminal but I was still able to help in the hospital with his breakfast each morning in the hospital. I remember it deeply even as it was terribly difficult for him. That final morning when the hospital called that he's barely breathing, my grandmother snuggle up to him in that bed, while he finally passed away. The final many days were a blessing of a life well lived -- why should the state be allowed to take that away. My mother was housebound will brutal difficulties for months and months, and finally one morning did not wake up -- and the pain was gone. My grandmother, my father, my sister's in-laws, one cousin, my wife's father, etc, etc -- all have their stories. But the comparison is a cousin around 25, if I had to guess, smokey up too much, and when his car backed into a shallow ditch, damaged the exhaust system. All he had to do was open the door and get, but he just sat there for some dumb reason and passed away -- this was an utter waste. As heart breaking as it is to think all those years back, this is what I think of MAiD -- it's an utter waste. Trudeau and his troop from clown-town maniacs waste untold millions on carbon tax and other pointless projects, giving no commentary how they are wrecking the future economy of Canada, but it's quite acceptable for them to consider that there are disposable people in our country and around the world. People are not disposable -- you can impact positively another human being when you 20, or maybe 20-days before you die, so you don't know the days -- and neither does the damn government.
One thing I find extremly hard, is that one orthodox christian I talked to said: "people who kill themselves, get to hell forever anyways". What about people suffering extreme physical pain for 20 years and no end is in sight. How can they be sinning? It's not compareable to someone who was an extreme rude person. He said it so sure, that I can't forget it. I actually am not religious, but this got me very scared that actually innocent people who just suffer extremly go to hell. What do you think about this?
I always used to hear this too. The problem with the Christian belief system is the foundation of their "teaching" is they don't recognise each person's life as their own. They believe all human life is a "divine" creation of God. Those that choose to exit, even with the most logical reasoning, are judged as treacherous for their "affront" to God's will. They also demand pain, however extreme, be experienced, because in their worldview, pain supposedly strengthens the human spirit.😂 so any person who makes an attempt towards self determination will be judged in contempt of their "duty" to God. I don't take any notice of them. As an Atheist, I make my judgements based on common sense not religious dogma. The people who tell you things like that are simply trying to frighten you into compliance. They are terrified of people who challenge their narrative, since if enough do so, it weakens their power. It's a tribal thing.
To me the concept sounds horrible too. I think the "rules" were made for people for control. Its not true the goverment wants everybody to die, they want workers, and forcing people to live and work, live in poverty and put up with oppression and all over miserable life, without anything having to be done about their actual quality of life, may be why they started such radical statements about suicide. And its easy to get people to follow when there is also a lot of feelings connected to a loved one dying. I think suicide should usually be prevented, but maybe there is a point where its taken too far. I dont follow any spesific religion, but I think from common sense a compassionate god would at least understand it if the suffering was extreme, and its like they were living in hell already. People wanting to prevent death at all cost can be just as selfish if not more than suicide
Oh Doctor Peterson, you have no idea how much I pray for you. You saved my life with your videos during a very dark moment in my life. May the Lord bless you.
Seeing how our government behaved during the pandemic, the precedents that have been set there and how no one's been held to account for what should be seen as crimes against humanity, as attacks on multiple fundamental human rights, it's very concerning to see things like MAID come into effect.
Try excruciating pain for 30 plus years, in bed for months on end. Every treatment available tried. Thousands of dollars a month on one medication. Losing everything. Career. There should be choice for the individual to make after bearing, enduring, crashing so many times. Choice. Not jumping off a bridge or overdosing when you get to 65 yrs. No cure after looking and trying everything. Willpower beyond the norm. But there may be the day when enough is enough. No more ambulances. No more concussions. No more bruises. And no more excruiating lightning bolt pain. Everywhere. Fatigue. No depression. But it only means a clear headed choice. Gov'ts should allow choice.
Cried and prayed with you on those times you were sick. We were able to know your dsughter more with her stories during those times. I was one of the milliom people who supported you and waited for your return.. God is so good
The one thought that cured me of my suicidal ideation was that death is inevitable, and I didn't have to be the one to end my life because it was going to happen anyway, so I just needed to find something about life to appreciate, like hugging my sweet dog, or the sun on my face. I have nothing against someone wanting to end it if they are terminal and in excruciating pain, but I'm afraid I have to disagree with MAID being used for people with depression. It makes suicide easy when you can always find a way out of the pit.
I wanted to die and when I stopped taking cancer meds I wanted to live, now I stay away from doctors and I am happy, these people are letting people die, I wish I could tell you more
Why? Why? I have be clinical depressed for years. Been surviving on medication and therapy for almost 7 years. I tried hard man. There is no way out of this. Why do some us have to live like this. I suffered all through out my 20s, an age when you must be enjoying and exploring life freely without out serious responsibilities. Terrible social life, never fell in love. Nobody want to live that kind of life man. At this point I am willing to take MAID, if was available for mental illnesses l.
@@nandu1770I have suffered from depression my entire life. I was depressed from single digit ages. Most clear early memories that I can now identify as depression were probably in the 4-5 year old range. I am now 33. They are not periods of my life that I look back on and see happiness or a feeling of contentness. But there are small fleeting moments where I felt happy. I have truly had very very very few "friends" or acquaintances over the years. I suffer from anxiety, social anxiety, severe depression, etc... I would say to try therapy, or medication. But I'm hoping you have already been willing to try those things. I know that most people find those things helpful, and if you're like me, that may not be the case. I still oversleep too much. And I sometimes fail to find motivation to go be a human being. But for the most part, I have found ways to manage my own depression. I create goals. And I work very hard to achieve them. But I started small. Very small. Sometimes the goal today was simply to make a particular phone call. Start with manageable goals. Avoid alcohol or drugs. They will derail your motivation and fuel your hopelessness. I am not saying that I don't feel depressed. I always feel depressed. People don't understand that about me. Or want to know what can be so bad that I feel depressed. What people don't understand; depression is not a feeling. It's a state of mind. A state of being. When you make peace with depression - it makes you appreciate the 1 time every 5 years that you laugh until you cry. It makes you appreciate the way that the tree looks in the dawn over the lake. It makes you appreciate the time that you have an emotional response to a baby's cry or giggle. It makes the beautiful moments mean so much more than they mean to people who live a life that is filled with contentness. I don't know you. And you don't know me. But I will say it took me decades to learn how to cope with the different ways that my chemistry responds to stimuli and feelings. And although the depression has never gone anywhere, I am happy that I never gave up. I hope that you don't either. If you can be too stubborn to quit, it's worth it. We will all die one day. I don't see a reason to be in a hurry.
There was a mass shooting in Australia in 1996 at Port Arthur. There was no doubt about who did it. After the trial the prosecutor was asked if he regretted there was no death penalty, after all, the person was going to spend years in jail at huge cost. I have always remembered the reply, "No, because that would take society down to his level, it is the price we pay to be a civilized society".
you're using an example which favours your argument. and the prosecutor was right. so many people are wrongfully convicted. look at the recent woman who has been exonerated for killing her four children. she would have been put to death most likely.
That's a powerful message. And not easy. Very complicated cause I think there are solid arguments for both cases (death penalty or not). But there's always the possibility of true remorse and future productivity (and redemption?)... though I'm sure it doesn't comfort the victims. I know TWD is written entertainment, but it reminds me of the part where they choose to imprison Negan instead of killing him (though he did plenty to deserve death). I heard about port Arthur because of a bit comedian Jim Jefferies did called gun control (it's a bit you go back and watch every time there's another mass shooting). Shame on me, cause I was alive at the time... looking back, i realize how ignorant we were before we got too many greys...
I would go along with that, though it is a vastly different topic. I also don't think it is absolute. Most civilized societies have probably declared martial law at one time or another, because the risk of not doing so was extreme. Western US cities that are collapsing have taken their compassion, or whatever they would call it, to an extent where the cost of getting back to where they were is going to be very high.
@MB-xe8bb I hope you are never in the position where someone decides you have no value and chooses your death. I do contribute to our local charities, which provide food, shelter, and medical care for those who are in a bad place. I also give to other charities that are not local.
@MB-xe8bb is the value of human life merely a dollar sign to you? We're so individualistic now, that we've not only lost the value of community, but we've forgotten the value of human life beyond personal financial contribution. In a community and therefore in a society, everyone has value. Not all are monetized, but all are important. The elderly and disabled have incredible endless experiential resources to contribute. But we don't value them enough to include them in our "society" where we primarily value the young.
Bloody hell, this clarified my thoughts so much on my position on assisted dying. I cried all the way through it. Thanks Jordan, for again clarifying my thoughts like you did 5 years ago on everything.
The state doesn't need to take up the responsibility itself. It need only permit the practice. That's the opposite of the state "deciding who shall live and who shall die."
wow what an incredible man!!! it takes such bravery to go this deep, question our own concense,enduring suffering , but what hurts the most is seeing pain in the eyes of the one's we love. selfless unconditional love! people need other people, " connection to another" helps us and gives us strenght to hang on, when we so want to let go. Goverments d'ont invest in people , only in themselves! History has proved that time and time again. Suicide is exhaustion from the battle... some of us have been battling since we have been born, some how tomorrow comes, time passes. hin-sight looking back how did i ever get through all of this. But some times we do! Maybe that just slim chance , is hope. Not knowing.....Faith belief ....of things getting better. one has to try, Even when we c'aint see. whatever the outcome, once we have tired our all. For me personally ,small bit of kindness can move moutains. If Assited suicide lay in the hands of our goverments.....we would never have that chance, no matter how small it was. I;d rather go blindly alone and take my chances, at least i be in control ! Every life is percious , each individual, a once off, unquice. Our life means something . or to someone! This man not alone has a great mind but a beautiful soul!
If this was commonplace a few years ago I think I would have accepted it. I was struggling very badly with depression, anxiety, and suicide lived in my head like an unwanted houseguest. I was recently able to discover part of the issue, and redirect my life, and none of those exist in my life or brain at all anymore. It's a different world and I'm a different person. Thank God this did not exist back then!!
@@Bebedollie If you had evidence that your superstition produces consistent results, you might be onto something, but prayer studies show it is a futile activity. The positive side is you only annoy the person who hears you mumbling to yourself; it is a good way of getting out of doing something practical.
I am grateful everyday that my dad had the option of MAID for stage 4 colon cancer. My dad had to wait three months before he could be assisted with his request, to ensure his convictions, as discussed with his clinical psychologist/Psychiatrist and lawyer (to meet the standard of mental competence)and provide the family an opportunity to discuss the matter thoroughly. I understand that many are emotional about this, I get it. HOWEVER, there is such a thing as mercy. My dad made the choice, just like there was a DNR on his medical file. My dad died with dignity, with all of the family around him and the most caring hospital staff I have ever encountered were present. There was absolutely, no reason for him to continue to suffer. You can not simply wake up and chose to die that day and have it happen. There are safe guards in place. The addition of mental illness to MAID is a oxymoron because you have to meet the legal standard of mental competence, just like a WILL. Any lawyer and or clinical psychologist/Psychiatrist who signs off on this assistance without due diligence should face the death penalty, that will solve the potential for abuse.
Sorry that you and your dad went through this Joyce. Thank you for having the courage to swim against the tide and post this here. Both my partner and myself are relieved that, should the worst illnesses claim one of us, we have the option of VAD in Australia.
sorry to hear about your dad's suffering. As far as mental competence goes, can still have severe mental illness and be signed off by doctors as being mentally competent, so not that safeguard really. I've had that happen with another issue. Signed over my house for nothing, after a lawyer required a doctor signed it off. Actually, 2 doctors signed it off, without actually seeing me. Later, I said to one this had happened and one said, 'that's happened before'.
I am happy for your father's situation, but now they are offering MAID to youth from 12-17 - without parental consent - as a means to escape existential trauma or whatever else might be adversely affecting them INSTEAD of offering proper counselling and support. It's crazy to think that they're offering the same thing to vets with PTSD: just end it, instead of "What's inside you that you need to talk about?"
@@BipolarCourage I witnessed the safeguards in action. The two medical professionals actually visited dad alone and with family present as did the lawyer. You CAN NOT compare your situation to dad’s situation. YOU made a choice to sign over a piece of property, HUGE DIFFERENCE.
Well he said basically nothing about the issue at hand, preferring instead to scaremonger, dredging up Nazi extermination as though this is the inevitable end-point of assisted dying. It's hard to take this guy seriously anymore.
The social warrior Jordan Peterson is a travesty intellectually. But he, like so many reactionaries, understands how lucrative it can be catering to the know nothings.
Dr. Peterson, what I so respect about you as I follow your journey is both your authority but also your authenticity and your humility. I so appreciate that you are not putting yourself out there as one who has all the answers but rather one who is asking hard questions! Your interview here has helped me see how the way we dealt with end of life care before MAID was in fact better than embracing state-sanctioned euthanasia. End of life care should be a private matter between a doctor, the person dying and their family.
I’m in so much pain and suffering I am praying that I die. You realize how little love there is in this world and how no one cares. I have been getting worse for years and no one listened, I was mocked by doctors family and friends. Life is complete hell for me and is not a gift. Thank you for your empathetic view and I’m glad you are feeling better Jordan. If you read this will you please comment what therapy worked for you? I am curious if it was stemcells.
I am sorry you are experiencing so much suffering. I have chronic pain and at times it has been hellish, but thankfully I've found a degree of relief. I hope the same will happen for you. Don't give up, there are so many treatments out there that could prove beneficial!
I don't know you or what illness you have but I believe you. I spent years suffering, getting worse and was bedridden and ready to end it all right before I was finally dx'd with MCAS by chance. One doctor listened and helped just as I was at the end of my rope. That led to helpful treatments for the deep pain and other symptoms like chronic fatigue. I, too, was called a hypochondriac and lost most of my family and friends and life to this. I'm now pretty functional and life is much better but I still have bad days. I'm not saying you may have mast cell activation, I'm just saying I see you. I feel your pain. I get it. ♥
@@ubiveritasetamor I truely am glad to hear you are getting so relief, and I pray it gets even better, thank you for understanding. One big problem I have is that everything the doctors want to do is wrong and often makes me worse, which is hell in and of itself.
@@chelleb3055 I’m so sorry you had to go through it, nobody can understand being sick and getting bullied by people until you go through it. I hope you keep getting better and thank goodness for that doctor. In my case I knew my exact diagnosis and it took a decade for the doctors do actually run the right test on me to get it documented, I was laughed at by the “medical professionals” for having the right answers, picked apart by family and friends and now I lay in bed 23 hours a day peeing 30-80 times a day in bottles I keep on my nightstand while losing my mind in solitude. I have a ton of other things that are wrong like my limbs that go completely numb etc etc. and after years of begging family and friends to listen and them making fun of me, now they claim I never said anything about it even though there are piles of proof. I hope you get to enjoy the rest of your life and thanks for the message.
When I was depressed, I'm mean really down in the basement, I was thinking of suicide every, single minute I was breathing. Now that the struggle is over because I was treated well by the doctors, I'm *very* grateful for the life. Thank God I'm alive 🙏 😊
Best explanation of a long time question that I have been asking---- I don't trust the people who can't get your passport in 2 weeks to decide whether or not grandma gets to live. Thanks Jordan, as always.
I'm grandma. For the moment, I'm still strong, healthy, and sentient. But I've made it clear to my family and my health care providers: When I am no longer able to make the decision for myself, give me the mercy you'd afford your dog. And if I AM able to make the decision that it's time to check out, the government that can't get your passport in two weeks has no business WITHHOLDING from me the assistance I need to die with dignity.
@@pricklypear7516apologies in advance to give you my opinion you haven’t ask for. If that day comes don’t do it, (it’s assisted suicide)the pain you might go through offer it to God for all your sins and all us sinners in the world, I promise you it will be worth heaven.
@@between2oceansaguilar671 Way to go, proselytizing to a woman who voices her intended to remain as dignified in death as she is conducting herself in life. Screw actually thinking about the human being involved, make it about your religion which no-one else brought into this. *slow clap*
@@pricklypear7516 My thoughts exactly, an I would want to help anyone in my family if they were suffering and couldnt do it themselves , but im in the UK so it might be tricky todo that an not get into trouble, its worrying
My sister suffered a pulmonary embolism in her lung, but hung on with only brain stem function. Her children kept hoping she'd wake up, but I knew she was gone. She hung in there for a month, and sometimes she'd open her eyes, but she was vegetative and the doctors all said the same thing. She was gone. They put her in a care facility, and two days later rushed her back after she had a heart attack. After they got her heart started the third time, the kids finally said just let her go. I agreed with them. Hers was a pretty straightforward case, but do I kill my dementia/alzheimer mother because she's drifting off? Where do you draw the line.
What is the meaning of pains and sufferings? Is it good to eliminate those? Is it bad? What is the point of enduring? What is the point of giving up? When does life begin and when does it end? There are two funerals at the same days, one family celebrate life and memory while other mourn for the death and loss. Perhaps, it's the perspective of hope or lack thereof that guide our action.
@@ianbuick8946 That's very true. Perspective is how you see everything and it'll never be the same for another person. I just don't think the Government should be involved in making those decisions for people. A person with suicidal tendencies who have nothing physically wrong with them can be helped, and thus have a full life, possibly? On the other hand a person so riddled with cancers that he is bedridden and unresponsive will be justified? It's like he said he doesn't trust the government to regulate it.
@@nula654 I concur. Government, in it's true meaning made of people, and people guided by their own conscience and ideology that can be corrupted if left unchecked. Billions people on Earth and each one is a different scenario of life circumstance. My own "suffering" of not having food for one day can be trivial to one somewhere going days without food. A person can live 4 days without water, 4 minutes without air, and 4 seconds without hope. We live in a fallen world, if one can pay attention and recognize it. So the question is "Does assisted suicide give hope?" Certainly not to one was giving the treatment but rather to family members, friends and on larger scale to community and society itself?
If with this comment you are asking for advice, it sounds to me like it is not a black-and-white case with your mother and you don't feel right about doing this in this instance, which is why you are posting it here. Apologies in advance if you are noy asking us for advice - that is what I thought your post meant. Sorry to hear what you went through in the past.
I mean our ethical advice, as in, I feel you were asking whether we agree with you and I agree that assisted suicide is wrong. Don't mean to intrude here.
We need to change our attitudes to pain and suffering; it's very hard for example to say you want to elimiate leprosy without immediately thinking of eliminating lepers and disparaging them and seeing them as less. Pain doesn't make you less than, it's not a punishment or something to be elimiated necessarily
My father just committed suicide a few weeks ago. He was a medical doctor and suffered from depression. I wish I was able to get him in contact with you. He was very similar to you.
Dr. Peterson is right when he says that physician's have assisted in deaths without fanfare. I suppose they know how to read the family members of the patients. I've been at the bedside of 2 relatives. and a partner who were assisted in dying. All 3 in the U.S.. All 3 terminal, and after valiant efforts to save their lives were attempted. They were also, all three elderly, and had said what they wanted at the end of life. Their wishes were followed. I can't imagine making a decision to end a loved one's life, if you weren't sure what they would want. I don't think the government should ever be involved.
I can only try to imagine the talks you gave yourself every morning in order to get out of bed. You are the strongest man I know of. You have been tried and are coming forth as solid gold
Spot on - yes, most physicians will prescribe more than enough morphine to put someone out for a person who’s at the end of their life. I experienced this in my family, we were taking care of a beloved family member at home - we all knew he was in the final stages and we had a physician who would come out to the house - he prescribed a fairly significant amount of morphine and told us “use this as you see fit.” And that was that…..there are ways to do this without it becoming another corrupt able government machine
I have kidney disease, no cure, my father died from it. I am going to end my life near the end. I am not going go like he did, he was reduced to a animal like state, he was suffering. He couldnt even talk or understand anyone. He just suffered. If i could of assisted his death i would have.
I'll tell you my thoughts... my sister opted for this, after being diagnosed with stage 4 bone cancer. I would have not chosen... I would have held on and I begged her to fight and I know it was selfish of me- I would have her head hooked up to wires just to still have her around... she was my big sister...my only sister. I can't wish her to have the pain- I can wish her to be with me here and never part- but, I can't ask her to suffer for me.... my thoughts are that I'm just torn about it. I'm certainly grateful to GOD above that YOU are still with us, Dr. Peterson, that you walked through the fire...victorious.
Speaking as someone who was suicidal for almost a decade, people who want to kill themselves are generally thwarted by inconvenience more than anything. Make it easy, and people who could recover just won’t bother.
Malcolm Gladwell wrote an interesting essay on this topic, suicide in Britain by the natural gas in the home. As you said, robbed of a simple way out, they didn't find another way. Suicide rates went down when the easy way vanished.
1:24 God bless this man. He has the courage to tell his stories, and on top of that, the courage to cry. Its like seeing my dad cry. I've seen him have to stop his sentence when he was teared up only maybe once- he was talking about how he'd seen a feather on the path to our cottage (it used to be his parent's) after hearing in an ad that ghosts could be trying to contact you if there's a coin on the ground or if there's a feather on the ground (in typical Dad fashion, he clicked it off after a minute or so thinking 'that's stupid') He choked up when he said he'd left the car.
My daughter has Down syndrome. The doctors told me how awful her life would be and offered abortion. I was devestated cried like a baby. She’s 16 now and a beautiful girl. I hate those doctors for never talking about how awesome the outcomes can be for both parents and children. It was so pathetic. Now I’m in this exclusive love club ❤. She’s taught me so much. And I, her.
I have a brother who has Down Syndrome. He is such a loving, happy little guy. God bless you and your daughter.
I really think Down Syndrome are ANGELS, bless you friend and your family.
God bless you and your family
I am LOATHED to ask this question, but do you ge assistance from the government?
@@McRedneck can I ask why you are asking that
I thank God you didn't give up in those 2 painful years or I wouldn't have learned about you or heard your thoughts on life. I have been binge watching you for over a year now, including everything from old clips from your teaching days to more recent interviews and current events. I thank God you are still alive and I hope you know how important you are and what an incredible influence you have been to countless people in this world. You are here for an important purpose and only God knows fully why, but I like to think that one tiny reason is because you've changed my life for the better. Thank you JBP. God bless you and your family.
Amen
SAME. ACCOLADES. TO THIS. BRILLANT. MAN. STRONG. TOUGH GOD SENT TO US. YHANK YOU. PROFESSOR JORDAN. MY DEEPEST RESPECT ❤❤
Best comment I have ever read. God bless you.
Amen
I just reading new book by J.B. Peterson ,
in Croatia - EU . GBY Mr. Peterson ...
This is why we love this doctor. Not only does he know how to heal the mind, he confesses his pain in front of the whole world, while practicing all that he teaches to demonstrate his methodology and practicality. Truly Trustworthy and Honest.
Dude he was a drug addict, not someone suffering from a painful, lethal disease. In case you don't understand what he's talking about here; It's his benzodiazepine abuse...
@@masterticcu he "abused" those drugs as prescribed. There are severe problems with those drugs, and at his level in society (and his industry), would be easier to get than candy. As far as I can tell, he still puts faith in the medical system.
@@masterticcuvery common for someone who hasn't experienced addiction to look down on those who have, your ignorance is showing
What are you talking about? This guy is a total crackpot.
@@masterticcu Dude is that all he was, a drug addict? And what we just watched flew over your head too, high over your head.
This was a very important video. I’m a Hospice Nurse and I deal with death in many of its forms on a daily bases. Thank you for sharing your story and being so vulnerable and courageous. You have done so much for me in my life. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
a Hospice nurse is a noble profession. Thank you for your service!
yes. 100% correct man
I experienced hospice staff you are special. My dad was treated with so many care and so were we
I would not be able to do that kind of job. Thank you for your work♥️
I know how you feel man. Cancer is eating away at me and the pain is incessant and miserable. I'm pushing against it as best I can with meds and meditation. Some days it seems to work and brings relief. There are enough of those days I guess to keep me hanging on. The way I look at it is that there's still hope while I'm on the green side of the turf.
Canada's medical system continues to becon me come to the mercy of MAID. I've told my doctors to stop with that recommendation.
Above all agony I still feel loved, and why would I willingly turn away from that?
You mean your doctors actually suggest it? Seriously?😵💫
Keep fighting man. Don't ever stop. God bless
Keep going. I support you.
Keep going. God Bless. ✝️
Hello my friend. Thank you for your powerful words and testimony. The fact that you believe you are loved and use that as the reason to hang on is magnificent. I am praying for you and your family as you fight this battle. I know this may seem contrived or opportunistic, but I encourage you to develop a relatioinship with Jesus Christ as your savior if you have not. Whether or not you have years left in this life or not, it is the most important choice you can make, and I hope you do make that choice, and if you already have, I am so proud to have you as a sister in Christ. God bless you from the state of Tennessee.
I lost my mom in December. She was suffering from (terminal) stage 4 melanoma, which had metastasized aggressively into her liver and spine. When the time came that she decided to take matters into her own hands medically, I was angry. Angry that she didn't want to fight any longer, and that she was willing to give up what time we had left with her. But that anger was self-serving. It was about my inability to imagine my own life without her in it, and didn't acknowledge how much she was truly suffering with no realistic hope that the treatments would do more than extend her life a few months.
At the end, seeing her so diminished broke me. Here was the most vital, challenging, influential person in my life, bedridden and reduced to brief moments of wakefulness between long periods of sleep she could only 'enjoy' because of the heavy painkillers and sedatives she was prescribed. I love my mom, and I wish so badly I could have had her in my life even a few moments longer. But it wasn't hard to recognize at the end that she'd endured more than her share, and that to deny her the right to decide when enough was enough would have been crueller than to get her the medical help she needed to pass on her terms.
She was taken from us far too early and too young, on the brink of her sixties, and our whole family is poorer for her loss. But I can't imagine looking her in the eye and telling her that she needed to suffer any more than she felt she could endure, knowing that there was no hope it would ever get any better. If there's one thing I truly believe is a right no government or organization should be able to take from us all it's the right to decide we can endure no longer, and our time has come to rest.
So sorry for your loss Chris. I lost my mother last year. She faced a lot during her last five years but her strong faith and her desire to live helped her endure incredible pain and challenges. I hope you have peace knowing your mother is now in heaven and no longer burdened by pain and illness and you will be reunited with her again some day.
I’m also so sorry for your loss. 😢
Totally agree. If someone you love is suffering beyond their endurance, and everything has been tried to help, then they have to have the right to decide to die in the way they are most comfortable with. Surely that's the most humane thing we can do for each other. We're all going to go, I doubt any of us would want to linger on in agony without anyone to help us at the end. I'm very sorry for your loss.
Your mother had every right to choose palliative care or hospice. And if that means cranking up the morphine even though it would shorten her life, I have no issue. My problem is giving the government that power.
@@diannalaubenberg7532 The problem with a non formalised approach, though, is that it can lead to prosecution for loved ones or doctors who hasten a painful and otherwise lingering death at the request of someone terminally ill. The CPS here in the UK has brought several cases against the spouses of terminally ill people for helping them to die. That environment also means that doctors are much less likely to 'up the morphine' or something similar for fear of repercussions. I don't think it's acceptable that someone who is terminally ill in the UK currently has to travel to Switzerland for help to die in a manner of their choosing. It means they have to travel while they are still mobile, and die far from home surrounded by strangers. That doesn't seem civilised.
It is so satisfying to listen to Dr Peterson respond to a question exhaustively for 10 minutes without being interrupted.
@Joe-ns8zb I agree with you wholeheartedly, and suggest that it speaks well to the quality of the interview being given. I'm sure you'll agree that there have been a number of Dr. Peterson's interviews where commentators and panelists incessantly interrupted him and attacked his line of thinking. I am uncertain if their rationale was to allow him to strengthen and confirm his statements, or an effort to 'shout him down', because they didn't agree with his line of thought.
I'd agree but to be fair he very much missed the point
Yes. Doubly so without that, 'So what you're saying is....' 🙄🙄
@@Balaskh He completely addressed the point as suggested in the description: "Drawing on historical parallels, he cautions against the potential dangers of government control over life and death decisions." By how similar 'MAID' is to historical unofficial practice through a physician, patient, and family @10:00. So it SHOULDN'T be up to the government. In regards to depression and suicide, he's a survivor!
Shame he does not extend that same courtesy to the actual intellectuals he interviews, he bullied the 💩 out of Richard Dawkins and it was shameful to witness and really embarrassing!
This is a very sensitive topic, especially to me. I just lost my sister in the 14th. She has been suffering for over 40 years, and she just got done with it. There is no such thing as assisted suicide in Texas, so she devised her own plan. She forced them to release her from the hospital, and just allowed her disease to take its course. She did take her own life in the end. So, there is now no way I will ever to be able to pass judgment on those who take their own lives. She was the sweetest, kindest, most caring person you could ever meet, and she just felt that she had nothing left to give. However, the rest of our family is still absolutely devastated in the wake. Thank you, Dr. Peterson for talking about this topic. It is not only germane and pertinent, it is important that we all learn to talk about death.
My condolences on your loss. At least you know she is no longer suffering. ❤
@@BeeKay4444 Thanks, friend. I didn't mean to bleed on everyone, so I appreciate you being so kind.
I'm sorry for your loss. Sending you love and light ❤
@@aaronstasel8292 I lost my stepdaughter to mental illness and she took her own life early Christmas morning 2015. She was only 19 years old. So to say I understand the depth of this situation is fact. My heart goes out to you I wish you good things and kindness to offset this terrible grief we carry.
So sorry♡♡
When there is no quality of life; there is no reason to continue. This is my reasoning. Why I will eventually take this path.
You never have to explain it to us. If anything, we understand the pain that comes with being in this world. And we can even relate...
I believe that it doesn't matter who does what, we'll all go to the same place.
Even Adolf Hitlers essence is experiencing euphoria.
I don't believe anyone will be subjected to any form of judgment once we pass on.
Just make sure that you are content with what you've done thus far. Either way, we aren't getting out of this world alive. It doesn't matter how we go out
I would research MAID more. It paralyzes you and makes your lungs feel up. So you feel it but can’t move. No thank you.
@@curiousme8793I would say it matters HOW, but not WHEN. That's what the world wants to dictate. We all know we're going but the powers that be want to have the authority to say WAIT. Yet if I, a lone wolf says that I want the whole cosmos to die at once, right this instant, I'm met with the hypocrisy of reality. They tell me I have no authority.
I am married to a quadriplegic and every day I'm grateful she is here...we have had 3 children since her injury and she is still able to work, which she enjoys very much. Yes, life has many challenges, but it is still worth living. We know many other people with spinal cord injuries who have been pressured into assisted suicide and have considered it purely because of coercion. And yes, pressured is the word, by abusive families, spouses, governments, doctors etc. There is way too much potential for abuse, especially of people who are already in a vulnerable position and may feel like a burden.
Respect.
Pressured by... "families, spouses, governments, doctors etc." to die? I don't believe it. Sorry.
Also, I heard medicine is doing amazing work in the field of spinal cord injuries.
That is her choice. Other people may not make the same choice.Their wishes should be respected too.
@Kevin Kelly when healthy people are suicidal, we go to great lengths prevent their suicide, not assist it under the guise of "choice". Why would we treat people with disabilities differently? If we are assisting some suicides but preventing others, then that means that it's not about choice - - it's about a value judgment that some lives aren't worth living and some people are better off dead.
Dr. Peterson, you are so important to a great many people and we are grateful that you have fought through and continue to do so. The world would be so much less without you.
Did JP say something intelligent in this lecture?
@@psychcowboy1 yes he did-and spoke from the heart. Your question likely comes from a place of resentment and lack of compassion but you look in the mirror and judge. 🙏🏼
@@djnv4702 Peterson said something intellectual and profound? Exciting, don't keep it a secret, what was it?
@@djnv4702 our quest for an intellectual idea by Peterson continues..
@@djnv4702 Compassion doesn't scale as you move up the hierarchy of complexity, if agreeableness is the fundamental ethos for large scale social organizations, then more agreeable people should make better managers, they don't they make worse managers, disagreeable people make better managers. Also, the world languishes to the degree that you are not all that you could be, and God orients you to the promised land and imbues you with the enthusiasm to make your way out of the tyranny...each story is a narrative circumambulation the union of virtues that could be embodied in perception and action that constitute the pinnacle of the pyramid...the hierarchy of society...The transcendent is what we bump up against when we realize our ignorance. It is an implacable fact. We can think can about it technically, you tend to represent the world in the simplest manner that you can that works for what you are doing, you don't actually see the world, you see useful low-resolution representations of the world, sometimes you have a misapprehension about someone, the conversation goes sideways, the thing that you thought you are conversing with is not the thing you are conversing with, that manifests itself as error, what is revealing itself is the reality that is outside and beneath your perceptions, what you see is a sense of animated cartoons, do you agree?
Every time I listen to this man, and he could go on for a while giving historic examples, i wait til the very end because I know he's going to finish it with a smh profoundness! Abs he never disappoints!
This man has literally walked through the valley of the shadow death and we are better for it.
So he says. In reality, he is full of it.
@@todayipaint4667bro, he was in hospital for months, the man kicked a xanex addiction cold turkey. He very nearly died.
@@todayipaint4667troll
People will always use Bible quotes and apply to something they like rather than what the Bible likes, until Jesus returns and destroys evil.
@@alil6547 we all have points in our life that are like a valley under death's shadow. It is literally a very low point in your life. There is zero problem with using such metaphor to extend to yourself or others. David used it for himself.
Yes the Text is taken out of context often, but this? This is completely harmless and good even. Why not use metaphors the Bible uses? The Bible connects things all the time to make points.
It is an abomination how the MAID even considered offering to off the wounded veteran that simply wanted a stair climber.
Cheaper for the government
The VA SUCKS!!!
Just wait until the service becomes mandatory for those whom the government deems “undesirable.”
Among the allies, it is Canada that has the reputation for war crimes. Deep down the Canadian government has always been ruthless.
Presumed crazy = anti depressants and libido killers for males. Trouble maker = some medicine that spoil your blood that you have to do hemodyalisis weekly. Conservative : cut off her thyroid and call it cancer for females. People go wearing diapers to see the doctors because they are scared. Sibling or relative to the target : give progressive blindness or some bone pathology.
No one human, can determine what level of suffering is acceptable for another human. Self determination is for everyone.
True. Some people have absolutely nothing to live for and being alive is pointless. unless you like feeling empty for years
The world needs you Jp ! You are strong and I admire your courage !
I Am you know I am .. I Am Canadian 🎶🎶🎵
Yes. The world needs him to misrepresent what is actually going on.
You must be one of the weak ones then. Lol
Dr Peterson, you are such an elegant man. So masculine while still comfortable with expressing emotion. I'm sure that you have become the man you are through more trials, pain filled lessons, endless hours of introspection, studying academics. You are nowhere close to my grandfather's age, yet your wisdom & demeanor are so much like his was.
When my grandfather passed on, I was only 17, my life felt like it had lost its meaning. A light had gone out in my heart, in my mind. I cried for 2 months after that.
He was the only man I have ever felt truly loved me. I felt his love even long after he passed on. He was a very principled man. He was tall, very strong, intelligent, wore his heart on his sleeve, so to speak. Long after his passing, a cousin contacted me about money that my grandfather had left to me that I didn't know about.
I was so broke I couldn't even afford to pay attention. I had prayed for some help, I was considering suicide, that's how much of a dark place I was in.
Like a guardian angel, my grandfather reached out to give me some hope, some comfort.
I wish there were not just hundreds more men like you; I wish there were trillions of men like you. The world needs men like you! I'm sure that life isn't 100% beds of roses & that you can win any disagreement. That's okay. Heated discussions are often the sandpaper that smoothes relationships.
I enjoyed your comments; it is satisfying and delightful to experience the love and support of those who have passed from our lives. Your loving dedication to your grandfather, no doubt, keeps his spirit alive.
Amen to that!
I'm 57 & am just learning now of some dark things about both my grandma's.
I only knew my paternal grandparents: mum's parents both died in the 1950's. When I read comments like yours my heart aches for what could have been
If having a discussion leads to your ex husband threatening to
'Smash the car into the wall while driving at 60mph'.
I think that's why I try to not have discussions with him.
He is an EX husband and he had been persistently abusive.
No one helps
What a wonderful point of view thank you for helping my mind go to the places you have. I feel great having read it 😌 ☺️ I can't agree more
@nicolemurphy2629 my ex husband did that exact same thing. With the exception that he said he would take our infant son along with him for that ride. Needless to say he had to go and go he did. And you are correct. When I told even my four brother,s they backed up stating that it was a domestic and they didn't want to get involved. 😒 it's amazing how you can go from terrified for your life to extremely mad and instead I took him to court and in time I got more than even. I got custody
The difference between MAID nd putting your dog down is that people who choose maid have CHOSEN maid not choosing it for someone else.
Some are being pushed into it.
@@Ariella-mx3xq4cw6n how?? no is no
@@ilse3887 A woman only needed a new wheelchair, can't give you that now, too expensive, but we can offer you euthanasia. Another is a 27 year old autistic girl who has been put on the list, and the father can't find out what makes her eligible. A woman with cancer had to go to US to get treatment because all Canada would offer was maid you are going to die anyway. She is now alive well and in complete remission.
True stories that's how.
But have they? Or were they just not given better options and better support?
Lady who needed a new wheelchair. They said to her, we can't give you a new wheelchair too expensive, but we can offer you MAID.
Is that what you call a choice?
We are all so very glad that you are feeling better, Dr. Jordan Peterson.
You have certainly improved many of our lives!!!
So very happy you are still here with us, Dr P. You are a remarkable man and thank you for all you do for the world by sharing your wisdom and thoughts. May live very long and very healthy!
This is so beautifully said. Until I watched my father die of bone cancer I wouldn't have understood medically assisted suicide the way I do now. He kept asking why can't I go in the days before he passed.
The world is a BETTER PLACE because Dr Peterson is in it. Thank you, Sir, for everything ❤️
Absolutely not. This crying little weasel is conservative. He spews all the worst ideas idiots came up with.
The world is a better place because you are in it too! Don't waste your potential - you get 24 hrs everyday.😊
Thanks for talking me out of suicide and convincing me to live,jordan
Praise God!!!! Your life blesses us all
Hope all is well, dude. I know I'm just a stranger on the internet, but still.
🙌
God bless you brother...
You are loved. Be strong for you.
Having listened to you speak for some time now, I often find myself paraphrasing your words to express my own thoughts because you’ve articulated them better than I could.
More than once in this brief clip, you stated almost verbatim things which I’ve been saying for years. I find it quite comforting to hear the words spoken by someone with your intelligence and integrity.
In the right circumstances, MAID is a precious gift. A dear friend of mine in his 70s was diagnosed with rapid onset Lou Gehrig's disease. He went from a completely independent, lived-off-the-land, physically fit man to a fragile, slumped over bag of bones in less than a year. He held out for as long as he could, but he signed up for MAID, and when he could not longer take care of himself he made the call.
The state doesn't make the decision - you do. It takes 2 doctors to confirm that there is no chance of recovery and that you absolutely want to do it. Lawyers are involved. It's not an easy thing to do on a whim and the government doesn't push you into it.
That tough old man was able to go out on his own terms, not choking to death on his own drool for as long as his body held out.
I have seen too many people waste away and die of awful ailments, and he was the first one to actually die with dignity and at peace. The first person I know who was able to say his goodbyes and leave when all was taken care of.
Even as a child I never understood why we would save our beloved pets from suffering but we couldn't do the same for loved ones or ourselves. I, for one, and SO glad that we finally have the right to die.
My opinion the provider of said process shouldn’t be a collective kind of any institution or group. It needs to be a non existent body, rather a option your own individual doctor can provide should she/he feel there is no other alternative, Not a group that’s existence is benefited by people being suicidal government or private..
@@Sarandib22 how does government or healthcare benefit? Dead men pay no taxes, though checking out of long term care can save a lot. One of the caveats is that you need to be of sound mind, and family has always had the decision of withholding palliative care from patients being kept alive.
The difference is now a family has a chance to euthanize a grandma who is brain-dead from stroke, while my grandmother just had IV and oxygen withheld until she passed "naturally" in two days. THAT is fucking barbaric.
@@Sarandib22 I see what you're saying, but it's the doctors and the person/family involved who make the call, not the government agency. If the doctors reject them on any premise, the agency cannot step in and say "do it anyway."
Of course the government will look at savings and benefit (and organ donation is a HUGE one) - it's cold, but it's statistically relevant, especially when trying to sway some of those still on the fence. Saving money by not utilizing crazy-expensive resources to keep a dying person alive for no other reason than the family would be sad is not inherently a bad thing.
I do get what you're saying about concerns with government/private profit. However, in a capitalist economy that's always going to be the issue. That's why government accountability to the people is so important. But most of us would rather be monkeys dancing to the tune of gender conflict, masks, or personal scandal than actually pay attention to the issues that really matter (but that's a conversation for another day!).
My MIL also suffered with ALS (Lou Gherig’s disease) There is no treatment and no cure. She also chose MAID. I can’t blame her 😢
What they don't tell you about maid. Look it up online and you will find up how it works.
I can relate. For 6 years I lived similarly. Took me 2 - 3 hours of being awake in bed to build the fortitude to get up. Sometimes I went 5 - 6 days not eating. The only thing I left the house for was to go to the Bottle Shop to get alcohol to drink until I felt numb.
Depression can be nasty.
I hope you're feeling better these days!
Thankyou for sharing this xxxxx
I watch Netflix all night eating fast food and I sleep at 4 wake at about 3 in afternoon
only get up to use bathroom then it s back to the bed. I LOVE IT
@@SharonM-q8t But for how long though? that's the problem with this lifestyle, right? It's not sustainable.
@@SharonM-q8t that kind of lifestyle will catch up with you in your 30s and 40s. It's only really manageable in your younger years lmao.
I was stricken with transverse myelitis 2 1/2 years ago. Every day is hell in terms of pain and functional loss. There is no tx methods for improvement.
As soon as I am no longer needed by my family to provide, I am out of this life, and I will be grateful to leave.
There is an authenticity about you that is extremely rare Mr Peterson, a genuine and deeply felt need to express your inner language of the soul with the intention to somehow reach inside another person and transmit the message that yes, life can be excruciating sometimes and extremely painful but there are moments of deep peace and understanding and even when it feels so bad, we can overcome and rise again to fight another day. Thank you Jordon, for thinking of us.
This is not a criticism. Rather, it's an observation. I think this is the darkest 10 mins of speech from J.P. He's ever produced.
And perhaps the wisest.
Johnny - Dr Peterson's honesty and transparency confirms his integrity - the world is in need of more human beings who love others as he does.
It's life😢
I wouldn't say so. He talks about Nazis and mass murder all the time, and usually the murders are in the 10s of millions, not 30K. You can talk about tortures, and starvation. And the cruelties inflicted.
The weird thing in Canada is that only 14% of the population voted for trudeau.
14%?!?!? That's odd man it's feeling like Brandon
His honesty is astonishing; there is no phoniness with this man. Everything you see is precisely what you get! He has faced significant,medical, political and educational institutional pressure, which would have been decreased if he had succumbed. He didn't, thankfully. He is the Albert Einstein, Aristotle, and John Locke of the twenty-first century-a man for our times, a rare savior of common sense.
Well said. ❤️
Dear Jordan Peterson, thank you from the bottom of my heart for standing up and facing the dark forces that are at work today. The example you have set for us all is priceless: Your intellect is a marvel, your courage and honesty awesome to behold. There is no doubt your opus will be remembered by history, and will influence the outcome of the current culture war. May God bless you a thousand times over, keeping you and your family in health and perfect safety.
Last year I lost a friend to pancreatic cancer. I feel terrible that I didn't help him take the hint that was laid down by a hospice nurse about the dosage of the morphine that he was given... It's going to be a burden. The guy was absolutely at the end of his time, and what little he had left still gives me nightmares. Which make me feel terrible, because I'm feeling horror over what must have been a million times worse for him.
Dr. Peterson is 100% right. This was all better when it's handled in a quiet and dignified way.
My husband died from prostate cancer, my son by suicide. I WISH I had not been so selfish and helped both of them...but then, feeling guilt doesn't make my life better. We have to work on ourselves and try not to repeat our errors--let us become better people now!
@@louisaellingham602 So much suffering in the world :(. I am sorry for your loss. I hope the good times stay with you and that you manage to carry your pain.
The absolute worst thing about my chronic pain, caused from multiple back surgeries, was the despair in the eyes of my parents when they came running, but also knowing that there was nothing they could do
My wife died from cancer in exactly 3 months from collapsing to passing away with palliative care in 2019..she was 51..upon reflection it was an absolutely excruciating situation for her as I tried with the doctors every single life expanding procedure.
But some cancers cannot be cured.
Was I trying to keep her alive for my sake and therefore being selfish?
It disturbs me every day ( 4 yr anniversary coming July 1st) but I simply could not do nothing and I had to try and ‘save her’.
She was my everything and it was my privilege to know and love her.
Do we treat animals ( our pets ) more humanely than we do each other?
I know that if I was in her situation I would appreciate an option.
I'm very sorry for your loss.
So sorry for your loss, J9rdan didn't expound on the truth about MAID, what he didn't say was that they give you a drug that completely paralyzes you then you the next drug causes your lungs to fill with fluids until you drown to death, which is a horrific way to die and you can't let your loved ones know because your paralyzed. I don't believe you made the wrong choice!
I'm just so disappointed that the government doesn't really want to give you assistance in living, and if they do, it's begrudgingly and with caveats.
But, Assistance in dying? All for it.
Makes me wonder, honestly... *Why?!*
Which is cheaper?
Cheaper for the government
Have you ever known anyone who had to deal with the VA? It’s an abomination
It's part of secular modernity. If you do not have economically utility - or worse, a net-drain financially, the only "way" to "properly" deal with you, is to kill you. After all, you're suffering and inconveniencing others. The government has no heart, it's purely functional. It doesn't help that the way society is set up has made it a more favorable choice.
@@adamgates1142 Fair argument. But let's flip it:
What makes them more money? A living worker paying tax or a corpse??
I love this man so much for his emotional intelligence as well as his beautiful brain. To the ignorants Dr. Peterson becoming emotional, looks to them as if he is emotionally, unwell, and that could not be further from the truth. I was sick most of my life, emotionally and cry wasn’t even possible . Now that I have healed, I cry all the time and it makes me feel human, and I have nothing to be ashamed of. I’m sure Dr. Peterson knows this as well and he is modelling wonderful behaviour to other people out there. It’s the people who can talk about horrific things that happened to them and not shed a tear are the ones you have to worry about.
Oh my God, Dr. Peterson, if MAiD were a thing when you were so desperately ill, we might have lost you. We almost did. Not a day goes by I don’t not take for granted that we still have you.
I am so thankful that pain is in the past for you. Here’s a very gentle but very fierce hug.
I think if you had gone to the other side and left your life work unfinished it would have been greater pain and hell for you than what you endured. Please know how fiercely and tenderly you are loved.
He said it was an option in Switzerland. He considered it, he hung on and then he got better❤
Jordan has done more harm than good since his return
Good talk, over and over, you earn my respect. Having wrapped up last year, 5 years of care for my parents, of which I was the sole guardian, and home style hospice care at the end. I have tasted death first hand and with the two, maybe the only two people on earth i would have gave my life for. I learned .... I have no right to selfishly extend or contract another's lifespan. Modern medicine is a double edge sword. Dad passed fairly quickly, and all but 2 weeks on his feet. Mom, well she did not go as quickly. There came a time, when my "conscious" spoke to me, and said MERCY. (Movie Braveheart came to mind) I had at my disposal steriods, and a wide variety of medications beyond the pain/anxiety management tools. When I let go, in 10 days she passed peacefully at home. Still feel it, but now, I believe it was the right thing to do, and my conscience is not punishing me for my part.
You absolutely did the right thing by your mother. it must have been extremely difficult and I hope to god I'm never in a situation like that, but you weren't stopping her passing with the best will in the world. Instead you were able to give your mother the best any of us could hope for. A relatively peaceful death at home supported by a loving child right to the very end. You were without a shadow of a doubt a blessing to your parents.
^exactly right, couldn’t have said it better myself
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Good for you...... We all would want that "Mercy" for ourselves in that state of pain and inevitable outcome ❤
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Been on year 3 of a chronic pain/mystery problem that took my ability to sit and have been working to make it back since then. Thank you for sharing your journey in all the details, especially that you found hope after not visiting switzerland.
If the doctors can’t find out what is causing the pain then it is probably made up. Anyway the collective shouldn’t be expected to provide for you if you cannot prove you are sick.
This happened to my sister as well ….. could you share more about your condition & have you found anything to work ?
@@elisagermain66 Of course, I'm sorry to hear this but hopefully I can be of help. Regular chiropractor visits, pelvic floor physiotherapy, pushing through the pain when possible to become more active (walks, hip stretches, yoga). Most important of all remembering that it is a marathon not a sprint, progress will come just not as quick as you may want it to. Therapy/Counselling or even someone to talk to about it is also highly important.
For me it started as severe chronic pelvic pain and overall incredible soreness and pain in hips and lower back. To the point where I was laying down mostly everyday for a year or so and had to dropout of school. It's been four years and I've made progress enough to where I can sit on a special cushion for a while (designed for tailbone problems) and am getting back the ability to do things I used to slowly but surely. Frequent Chiro and Physio are to thank most of all for this
My 86 yr old father had cancer of the lungs, liver and bowel. He was stoic until he was not. The pain and suffering was horrible. He chose MAID. I am glad it was available There was no goodness to be had having him suffer longer
Not up to us.
@@Mr80jb Poetic notions like that are easily typed from the safe confines of your room. They seem ridiculous and vain when faced with the harsh reality.
In some cases it is good to have but if we let ourselves too far then suddenly doctors first reaction to cancer would be "We can help you to end it." instead of try and cure it. They would just say in your eyes to don't fight, just end it because its easier for them. Then they expend it to the depressed and the poor. "We help them end the suffering so we don't need to help them. So utopia like isn't it, no poverty, no ill person's, no depressed, no homelessness. Why? Because they all dead.
Then they expend it for minors,
Wait but how cold you have give them the right if they can't decide for themselves,
Oh soo the parents have that right. So a parent and care takers have the right to dicide for an unresponsive child or family member, so they can get rid of them if they don't want to bother with them.
If you want to pass a law dont just watch what is the best it can be used for. Think!! Whats the worst it can used for?
Depends on the country. In the US doctors and hospitals make WAY more money keeping you alive. They absolutely want you to live, quality has no part.@@attilaosztopanyi9468
My only problem with MAID as it is now is that its being abused by doctors, a veteran who called to complain that a wheelchair ramp hadn't been installed when it was supposed to be (waiting for months now) the doctor she spoke to offered her MAID as an option, but i still believe it should be a choice for people with terminal illnesses to end their lives on their own terms
the grossest violation of human rights in the 1st world is the inability of an adult to be able to choose when and how they die. the gouging medical industry's income would be catastrophically affected; that's why it's being blocked.
I am glad that Jordan feels better, but I am currently watching a friend suffer with Parkinson's and in the past someone suffering motor neurone disease. Surely it is up to the individual just how much they can stand. It should not be a government decision to end their lives but yes protected so others cannot make the decision for them. Some pain and suffering is beyond our comprehension.
Yes I say that as well that only those who have experienced constant agony are the only people who understand I listened to a man die from a cancer beg for pain relief make noises that normally wouldn't sound human it never let up it gives me nightmares to this day
It’s one thing to tell a 19 year old, who has suffered from depression, that it will get better, but someone who has suffered for decades is another scenario.
It's not another scenario. I suffered for decades. According to what you said, I should have died. Thank you for proving how inhumane people are.
I have also suffered for a decade now and I love being alive.
I suffer from a mental illness and I’m happy to be alive even though some days I wish it could end just to escape from the pain.
Pain is part of life, we all suffer, life is still a gift, a God given gift, and it's to be treasured and lived with thanks
In both cases, the person is made in the image of God
I was so sick in 2020😢😢😢 I applied for MAID.. I have a mental disorder that turned extremely bad in 2020 I was suicidal for 10 months!!! Yes every single day I thought of suicide!!! I was denied MAID.
I was so upset when I was denied and I kept writing to MAID.
When I look back today, I’m so glad that I made it!!! My mental disorder is about 95% better!!! I’m glad that I was denied MAID !!!
This is exactly why sensible governments would never allow psychiatric patients MAID. Only people who have suffered from depression and come out the other side understand how _unequivocally_ and _indisputably_ irrational suicidal thoughts are (speaking from experience btw).
Depression is a disease, and asking the depressed mind to make a decision about its own demise, is like asking an alcoholic whether he'd like a bottle of vodka.
I am so happy to hear this story! I don’t know you or really anything about you, but I am so happy hearing that you made it through this extremely dark time and have hope again. No one should be told that they are better off dead. I’m so so happy that you are alive today!
@@NorthernRealmJackal You can't say that, actually. Your suicidal ideation may have been irrational, but not all suicidal ideation is irrational. You take a paternalizing, disempowering stance towards everyone who would exercise their autonomy. I could turn the tables on you and say "life-loving is a disease, so your pleas that I spare your life shouldn't be acknowledged" before pulling the trigger. It's nonsense.
But, thank God, you had family to help you. Imagine if while you were that degree of horrific, painful illness you had nobody. No help. You might've thought differently. 🤷♀️
I wish I knew what treatment helped you. I suffer daily and I feel like a burden.
We have passed a bill for medically assisted death. You have to be 6 months within death of a terminal illness. I have had 2 family members die of cancer, the pain, suffering was horrendous to witness. My Pop begged for death and his death was excruciating and long, my Dad was fighting to the end and didn't want to go. I would hope if I'm able to stop my animals suffering that someone would do the same for me in the instance. It has to be a personal choice not one dreamed up by someone who has no idea.
I am speechless in the face of the depth of clarity and wisdom offered in this response.
Keep the government out of the death business. The beginning is grabbing tax money, the end is always cost savings.
You can tell this guy has had a long life, and has seen a lot of suffering, experienced a lot himself too. Being a psychologist, im sure he has heard some heavy things, that make you think about the big questions of the world.
I'm always amazed how honest and down to earth this man is. God bless his soul 🙏
Did he really answer the question though?
@@Shiggystardust Often, he doesn't. It is his style to make YOU answer it. And this is one of the reasons why people love JBP - he doesn't treat his audience like idiots.
@@Chordonblue well we can agree to disagree. You can’t call someone honest who doesn’t give you their opinion. Giving your opinion isn’t talking down to a. Audience it’s letting them make an informed decision. Hitchens use to never talk down to his audience and would give a very straight forward answers.
Or people like him cuz they’re assigning their own opinion so of course they’ll like that haha
@@Chordonblue He's a charlatan, he avoids answering questions so he doesn't have to explain or defend his position.
Good for you Jordan. I'm glad you are pulling yourself through that nightmare. 💛
Thank you for talking about this ,its been on my mind for almost a year since I've found out about it nd have been telling my close family and friends about it but its such comfort to know someone with an audience is finally talking about it
My heart hurts everyday, I tell myself I am worthless ,a bad parent, and a low life. I feel like this world would be a better place without me in it. I want my family to know that the pain and the thoughts are so bad that everyday gets worse. I want them to know that I'm sorry an I hope they seen that I at least tried an that this wasn't their fault
Please stay with us! I'm a family support worker, I work with many parents who think of themselves this way, but I can tell you that they are not bad people, they love their children, they just haven't had the chance to learn some things, and hadn't had good examples in their lives, it's not their fault, and often things do get better. The world is hardly ever a better place for a child without their parent in it. I know the bond children have with their parent and how they suffer when they're apprehended and separated, and death is permanent separation. I've learned one thing in all the years: a less than perfect home is a better place for a child than separated from their mother and father. Please seek counselling with controlling your negative thoughts, it is out there, and it can help stabilize your life. All the best, I'm rooting for you.
Many suffer daily as you do. You are not alone. You are doing much better than you know. Do the best you can, take small steps forward. I try to commit to small changes to do better in small ways for my children. Nobody is a perfect mother, give yourself grace. Learn from your mistakes and love always wins. Focus on the love for your child, they need you. It doesn’t have to be perfect, just has to be good enough. A good enough mother is something you already probably are, you are just hard on yourself for your failures and mistakes and all mothers have those. You can do this, trust in god and small steps forward . Your kids need you and this world needs you. We need good people doing their best
Are you still here
God love's you no matter what, in the messiness of life, we are still a person created in the image and likeness of God, go forward, not backwards, when you know better then you can go from there. I know, because I've felt the very same, wishing I could go back and do it differently. God love's us just where we are with all our faults and failings, we can say I didn't realise many thing's now I do and I can start again, This day is the first day of the rest of your life, treasure every day and gives thanks to God, and love him and other's 🙏💞
I've been through this. It's been 1.5yrs....and I still rarely sleep. I'll say this: Dr. Peterson's struggle only increases my respect for him (which is tough, as I have always respected Dr. P quite a lot.).
All the best to you mate
@@Gallowglass7 Thanks!!!!! You as well. 👍💪🙏
@@patientlywatching7775 Thank you mate! God bless, brother! Take care, and be kind to yourself 👍👍
Dr Peterson was lucky he had the money to go to exclusive clinics for help overseas. It does not diminish his effort in any way just commenting in a country with "free" healthcare, in my area there is a 3yr wait to see a psychiatrist for an appointment and detox, or private programs for eating disorders, or such are pay to p,as, or private insurance. So help isn't readily available, family Dr's are scarce, and so suffering individuals are left with holiness to call. The system needs fixing, but our current leader would rather it fail, and he supports private health care. ..but not less taxes!
We start off in this life small and helpless, dependent on our family, and we finish this way too.
But our value stays the same ❤
I honestly don’t want to live.
There’s pretty much no help.
I’d rather just go.
It’s so miserable. I hate it.
Hang in there. You'll be fine. Take it one day at a time?
I feel for you. Life is torment for some of us. Nobody knows the depth of your pain and distress except you. Each person should have a right to choice, that is all that should ever matter.
There is someone who loves you. Someone who cares. Someone to whom you add love and life to.
And if you really don’t have that, have you found a safe place with the Heavenly Father? If anyone can help, it’s Him. He does love you so much. My heart goes out to you. I’ve felt that despair. Prayers for you my friend.❤
Therapy can do wonders for mental pain. ❤ I hope you find excellent help.
If we don't give people a dignified way out, they'll take a painfull way out, possibly involving others. Like jumping off a building, in front of a train, taking overdoses and being found by family members.
It's just so much unnecessary suffering.
Who am I to tell a suffering person to keep suffering?
I knew someone who jumped in front of a truck. With a safer route available they might even have been stopped. :(
As I like to say our world loves talking about freedom and telling you you make your own choices the moment you tell them you want to leave all of a sudden all that is thrown out the window and you are a problem that needs to be fixed. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
A responsible and critical thought process at work. This is what we need to get back to.
Thank you Dr Peterson for your sincere words of kind. I lost my mom to cancer last month and was an excruciating pain to see her every day getting worst and worst. I got traumatized by looking at her and begging me to do something when there was nothing to do and she was going to die. It pierced my soul. I cry when I think about her and how she should have felt going through that nightmare. I am very glad to made it and survived, but if it is a dead end... you should be able to take your own life if it means it will take you out of your misery and there is no medicine or treatment for you because living on a support system or extending your life without a dignity and good quality of life it is NOT life, it is hell.
I watched my own mother go through a terrible time the year before she died. She had 5 collapsed vertebrae - very painful- and COPD. So I know how you felt. But here’s the thing: the suffering in this life is due to wrong actions in a past life. Karma never forgets an address - unless one has done intense purification practices to clean up the karma. So the karma is going to be experienced, either in this life or the next. Cutting off this life via MAID only postpones the experience of the karma to the next life, which of course comes very soon. One has to keep a strong mind in the face of suffering. The suffering burns the bad karma. Your and my mother’s bad karma was burnt via their suffering. They didn’t have to carry it into the next life. Of course one does everything possible to relieve the suffering, but self-killing is no answer. I am sorry your mother suffered but you can rejoice in the fact that she didn’t have to carry that bad karma into her new life.
@@minoozolalaI hope you can appreciate how, to someone who doesn't subscribe to your particular interpretation of karma, this might seem like an absolutely vile thing to say. If I believed in karma, I'd much rather look at it as her enjoying a better life in the future because of undeserved suffering.
God is the giver of life, and he decides when a person's life should end, the song said, a time to be born and a time to die, a time to sow and a time to reap etc. why are we taking decisions that are not our decisions to make. Why are we making it our business, turn to God and pray, and peace will be in the circumstance
More people need to see this. This kind of policy takes on a very different meaning if you've ever been through one of those low points in life. Many of us have, but many others haven't. They have no idea what the stakes are. There is a reason we don't make such decisions lightly, and such decisions should never be made by bureaucrats with no skin in the game, so to speak.
In sorry to say, I think they know exactly what they are doing. I think we have passed the point some time ago, making excuses for them.
thats why you dont get assisted suicide because you are on a "low point"
Nobody who talks about this seriously sais that. And in the countries where assisted suicide is legal, neither petersson nor you would be able to actually get one. The government is not involved beside giving the strict regulations and it is made sure that nobody is able to go through with an assisted suicide if there isnt actually no hope left for you. So you are basicly close to death most of the times. Not psychologicly but physicly
so stop acting as if someone is gonna kill you the moment you ask for it because you "are on a low point"
Several countries on this planet need a revolution. The people need to decide they have had enough of the elite with no vested interest in the people leading us. It is time to kick them to the curb. Its time to start valuing the agency of people as a whole instead of relying on shepherds to lead sheep.
Typical end of life “care” can be $250k , so govt “insurance” offers a lump sum end-of-life incentive of $30k , for palliative “care” = by drug only , “don’t worry it wont cost extra” “sign here” “its included” , complete with pain med overdose, chemically failed kidneys/bowels, locked up joints , severe hallucinations, when you’re barely able to grunt (they ask you to rate your pain) (the worst is from the bowel blockage) , you get more on a sponge , without water to increase the concentration. The greatest pain is from the bowel blockage(caused by the meds). Most facilities (but not all) cant resist the temptation of fast money to pay for the 3story waterfall and enormous “administration” (keep the shareholders happy) , while lowering the life expectancy rate , to a point where it’s (Usa) beat out by a fourth of the world countries , some that don’t have a medical industry , at all…..
MAID is as simple as printing out the simplest of documents, filling it out, and a two week waiting period. There are no longer any rules in the game. It’s exactly the same as when they first legalized cannabis for medical purposes only, anyone/everyone could have a medical purpose. Labels are just paperwork at this point.
My grandfather became terminal but I was still able to help in the hospital with his breakfast each morning in the hospital. I remember it deeply even as it was terribly difficult for him. That final morning when the hospital called that he's barely breathing, my grandmother snuggle up to him in that bed, while he finally passed away. The final many days were a blessing of a life well lived -- why should the state be allowed to take that away.
My mother was housebound will brutal difficulties for months and months, and finally one morning did not wake up -- and the pain was gone. My grandmother, my father, my sister's in-laws, one cousin, my wife's father, etc, etc -- all have their stories.
But the comparison is a cousin around 25, if I had to guess, smokey up too much, and when his car backed into a shallow ditch, damaged the exhaust system. All he had to do was open the door and get, but he just sat there for some dumb reason and passed away -- this was an utter waste. As heart breaking as it is to think all those years back, this is what I think of MAiD -- it's an utter waste. Trudeau and his troop from clown-town maniacs waste untold millions on carbon tax and other pointless projects, giving no commentary how they are wrecking the future economy of Canada, but it's quite acceptable for them to consider that there are disposable people in our country and around the world. People are not disposable -- you can impact positively another human being when you 20, or maybe 20-days before you die, so you don't know the days -- and neither does the damn government.
I don't think it is the state at all. We are a throw away society. We don't like sacrifice,pain or suffering.
One thing I find extremly hard, is that one orthodox christian I talked to said: "people who kill themselves, get to hell forever anyways". What about people suffering extreme physical pain for 20 years and no end is in sight. How can they be sinning? It's not compareable to someone who was an extreme rude person. He said it so sure, that I can't forget it. I actually am not religious, but this got me very scared that actually innocent people who just suffer extremly go to hell. What do you think about this?
I always used to hear this too. The problem with the Christian belief system is the foundation of their "teaching" is they don't recognise each person's life as their own. They believe all human life is a "divine" creation of God. Those that choose to exit, even with the most logical reasoning, are judged as treacherous for their "affront" to God's will. They also demand pain, however extreme, be experienced, because in their worldview, pain supposedly strengthens the human spirit.😂 so any person who makes an attempt towards self determination will be judged in contempt of their "duty" to God. I don't take any notice of them. As an Atheist, I make my judgements based on common sense not religious dogma. The people who tell you things like that are simply trying to frighten you into compliance. They are terrified of people who challenge their narrative, since if enough do so, it weakens their power. It's a tribal thing.
To me the concept sounds horrible too. I think the "rules" were made for people for control. Its not true the goverment wants everybody to die, they want workers, and forcing people to live and work, live in poverty and put up with oppression and all over miserable life, without anything having to be done about their actual quality of life, may be why they started such radical statements about suicide. And its easy to get people to follow when there is also a lot of feelings connected to a loved one dying. I think suicide should usually be prevented, but maybe there is a point where its taken too far. I dont follow any spesific religion, but I think from common sense a compassionate god would at least understand it if the suffering was extreme, and its like they were living in hell already. People wanting to prevent death at all cost can be just as selfish if not more than suicide
Oh Doctor Peterson, you have no idea how much I pray for you. You saved my life with your videos during a very dark moment in my life. May the Lord bless you.
Seeing how our government behaved during the pandemic, the precedents that have been set there and how no one's been held to account for what should be seen as crimes against humanity, as attacks on multiple fundamental human rights, it's very concerning to see things like MAID come into effect.
Try excruciating pain for 30 plus years, in bed for months on end. Every treatment available tried. Thousands of dollars a month on one medication. Losing everything. Career. There should be choice for the individual to make after bearing, enduring, crashing so many times. Choice. Not jumping off a bridge or overdosing when you get to 65 yrs. No cure after looking and trying everything. Willpower beyond the norm. But there may be the day when enough is enough. No more ambulances. No more concussions. No more bruises. And no more excruiating lightning bolt pain. Everywhere. Fatigue. No depression. But it only means a clear headed choice. Gov'ts should allow choice.
All the lizards are coming out from under their rocks and feel quite safe for some reason. They are easier to see.
Cried and prayed with you on those times you were sick. We were able to know your dsughter more with her stories during those times.
I was one of the milliom people who supported you and waited for your return..
God is so good
The one thought that cured me of my suicidal ideation was that death is inevitable, and I didn't have to be the one to end my life because it was going to happen anyway, so I just needed to find something about life to appreciate, like hugging my sweet dog, or the sun on my face. I have nothing against someone wanting to end it if they are terminal and in excruciating pain, but I'm afraid I have to disagree with MAID being used for people with depression. It makes suicide easy when you can always find a way out of the pit.
I wanted to die and when I stopped taking cancer meds I wanted to live, now I stay away from doctors and I am happy, these people are letting people die, I wish I could tell you more
Speak for yourself.
Not always.
Why? Why? I have be clinical depressed for years. Been surviving on medication and therapy for almost 7 years. I tried hard man. There is no way out of this. Why do some us have to live like this. I suffered all through out my 20s, an age when you must be enjoying and exploring life freely without out serious responsibilities. Terrible social life, never fell in love. Nobody want to live that kind of life man.
At this point I am willing to take MAID, if was available for mental illnesses l.
@@nandu1770I have suffered from depression my entire life. I was depressed from single digit ages. Most clear early memories that I can now identify as depression were probably in the 4-5 year old range.
I am now 33. They are not periods of my life that I look back on and see happiness or a feeling of contentness. But there are small fleeting moments where I felt happy.
I have truly had very very very few "friends" or acquaintances over the years. I suffer from anxiety, social anxiety, severe depression, etc...
I would say to try therapy, or medication. But I'm hoping you have already been willing to try those things. I know that most people find those things helpful, and if you're like me, that may not be the case.
I still oversleep too much. And I sometimes fail to find motivation to go be a human being. But for the most part, I have found ways to manage my own depression. I create goals. And I work very hard to achieve them. But I started small. Very small. Sometimes the goal today was simply to make a particular phone call. Start with manageable goals. Avoid alcohol or drugs. They will derail your motivation and fuel your hopelessness.
I am not saying that I don't feel depressed. I always feel depressed. People don't understand that about me. Or want to know what can be so bad that I feel depressed.
What people don't understand; depression is not a feeling. It's a state of mind. A state of being. When you make peace with depression - it makes you appreciate the 1 time every 5 years that you laugh until you cry. It makes you appreciate the way that the tree looks in the dawn over the lake. It makes you appreciate the time that you have an emotional response to a baby's cry or giggle. It makes the beautiful moments mean so much more than they mean to people who live a life that is filled with contentness.
I don't know you. And you don't know me. But I will say it took me decades to learn how to cope with the different ways that my chemistry responds to stimuli and feelings. And although the depression has never gone anywhere, I am happy that I never gave up.
I hope that you don't either. If you can be too stubborn to quit, it's worth it. We will all die one day. I don't see a reason to be in a hurry.
There was a mass shooting in Australia in 1996 at Port Arthur. There was no doubt about who did it. After the trial the prosecutor was asked if he regretted there was no death penalty, after all, the person was going to spend years in jail at huge cost. I have always remembered the reply, "No, because that would take society down to his level, it is the price we pay to be a civilized society".
you're using an example which favours your argument. and the prosecutor was right. so many people are wrongfully convicted. look at the recent woman who has been exonerated for killing her four children. she would have been put to death most likely.
That's a powerful message. And not easy. Very complicated cause I think there are solid arguments for both cases (death penalty or not). But there's always the possibility of true remorse and future productivity (and redemption?)... though I'm sure it doesn't comfort the victims.
I know TWD is written entertainment, but it reminds me of the part where they choose to imprison Negan instead of killing him (though he did plenty to deserve death).
I heard about port Arthur because of a bit comedian Jim Jefferies did called gun control (it's a bit you go back and watch every time there's another mass shooting). Shame on me, cause I was alive at the time... looking back, i realize how ignorant we were before we got too many greys...
I would go along with that, though it is a vastly different topic. I also don't think it is absolute. Most civilized societies have probably declared martial law at one time or another, because the risk of not doing so was extreme. Western US cities that are collapsing have taken their compassion, or whatever they would call it, to an extent where the cost of getting back to where they were is going to be very high.
It is also interesting to contemplate where Australia has ended up.
Casey Anthony walks free......
The more I learn about this man, the more I connect with him on some very deep and powerful level.
Learn that no one cares about your sob stories.
MAID is a perfect way to get rid of "inconvenient people." The possibilities of abuse are too great.
Inconvenient people that also saved up money over the years and have a will they could take advantage of...
I presume that you are taking care of dozens of these people? For free? Or do you just leave it to other people to take care of.
@MB-xe8bb I hope you are never in the position where someone decides you have no value and chooses your death. I do contribute to our local charities, which provide food, shelter, and medical care for those who are in a bad place. I also give to other charities that are not local.
@MB-xe8bb is the value of human life merely a dollar sign to you?
We're so individualistic now, that we've not only lost the value of community, but we've forgotten the value of human life beyond personal financial contribution. In a community and therefore in a society, everyone has value. Not all are monetized, but all are important.
The elderly and disabled have incredible endless experiential resources to contribute.
But we don't value them enough to include them in our "society" where we primarily value the young.
What do u mean “inconvenient people “
Bloody hell, this clarified my thoughts so much on my position on assisted dying. I cried all the way through it. Thanks Jordan, for again clarifying my thoughts like you did 5 years ago on everything.
The state doesn't need to take up the responsibility itself. It need only permit the practice. That's the opposite of the state "deciding who shall live and who shall die."
wow what an incredible man!!! it takes such bravery to go this deep, question our own concense,enduring suffering , but what hurts the most is seeing pain in the eyes of the one's we love. selfless unconditional love! people need other people, " connection to another" helps us and gives us strenght to hang on, when we so want to let go. Goverments d'ont invest in people , only in themselves!
History has proved that time and time again.
Suicide is exhaustion from the battle...
some of us have been battling since we have been born, some how tomorrow comes, time passes.
hin-sight looking back how did i ever get through all of this. But some times we do! Maybe that just slim chance , is hope. Not knowing.....Faith belief ....of things getting better. one has to try, Even when we c'aint see. whatever the outcome, once we have tired our all.
For me personally ,small bit of kindness can move moutains.
If Assited suicide lay in the hands of our goverments.....we would never have that chance, no matter how small it was. I;d rather go blindly alone and take my chances, at least i be in control !
Every life is percious , each individual, a once off, unquice. Our life means something . or to someone!
This man not alone has a great mind but a beautiful soul!
I was a student of him but now i am fond of him cause of his personal suffering and attitude through pain itself...!
If this was commonplace a few years ago I think I would have accepted it. I was struggling very badly with depression, anxiety, and suicide lived in my head like an unwanted houseguest. I was recently able to discover part of the issue, and redirect my life, and none of those exist in my life or brain at all anymore. It's a different world and I'm a different person. Thank God this did not exist back then!!
Praying for you JP🙏🏻 and praying for your family, you all give us hope for a better human we can be 🙏🏻
Nothing fails like prayer.
@VaughanMcCue The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective 🙏 I'm praying for you Sir
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If you had evidence that your superstition produces consistent results, you might be onto something, but prayer studies show it is a futile activity. The positive side is you only annoy the person who hears you mumbling to yourself; it is a good way of getting out of doing something practical.
I am grateful everyday that my dad had the option of MAID for stage 4 colon cancer. My dad had to wait three months before he could be assisted with his request, to ensure his convictions, as discussed with his clinical psychologist/Psychiatrist and lawyer (to meet the standard of mental competence)and provide the family an opportunity to discuss the matter thoroughly. I understand that many are emotional about this, I get it. HOWEVER, there is such a thing as mercy. My dad made the choice, just like there was a DNR on his medical file. My dad died with dignity, with all of the family around him and the most caring hospital staff I have ever encountered were present. There was absolutely, no reason for him to continue to suffer. You can not simply wake up and chose to die that day and have it happen. There are safe guards in place. The addition of mental illness to MAID is a oxymoron because you have to meet the legal standard of mental competence, just like a WILL. Any lawyer and or clinical psychologist/Psychiatrist who signs off on this assistance without due diligence should face the death penalty, that will solve the potential for abuse.
Sorry that you and your dad went through this Joyce. Thank you for having the courage to swim against the tide and post this here. Both my partner and myself are relieved that, should the worst illnesses claim one of us, we have the option of VAD in Australia.
sorry to hear about your dad's suffering.
As far as mental competence goes, can still have severe mental illness and be signed off by doctors as being mentally competent, so not that safeguard really. I've had that happen with another issue. Signed over my house for nothing, after a lawyer required a doctor signed it off. Actually, 2 doctors signed it off, without actually seeing me. Later, I said to one this had happened and one said, 'that's happened before'.
I am happy for your father's situation, but now they are offering MAID to youth from 12-17 - without parental consent - as a means to escape existential trauma or whatever else might be adversely affecting them INSTEAD of offering proper counselling and support. It's crazy to think that they're offering the same thing to vets with PTSD: just end it, instead of "What's inside you that you need to talk about?"
@@BipolarCourage I witnessed the safeguards in action. The two medical professionals actually visited dad alone and with family present as did the lawyer. You CAN NOT compare your situation to dad’s situation. YOU made a choice to sign over a piece of property, HUGE DIFFERENCE.
@@Schnitz13 NO, THEY ARE NOT. Stop spreading DISINFORMATION in a deliberate attempt to cause fear. CONTEXT MATTERS…TROLL
I sure wish there was someone out there I could talk to about this!
I had the privilege of witnessing this live! Got to meet him backstage also. Great experience
Well he said basically nothing about the issue at hand, preferring instead to scaremonger, dredging up Nazi extermination as though this is the inevitable end-point of assisted dying. It's hard to take this guy seriously anymore.
The social warrior Jordan Peterson is a travesty intellectually. But he, like so many reactionaries, understands how lucrative it can be catering to the know nothings.
Dr. Peterson, what I so respect about you as I follow your journey is both your authority but also your authenticity and your humility. I so appreciate that you are not putting yourself out there as one who has all the answers but rather one who is asking hard questions! Your interview here has helped me see how the way we dealt with end of life care before MAID was in fact better than embracing state-sanctioned euthanasia. End of life care should be a private matter between a doctor, the person dying and their family.
I appreciate you sharing this perspective with us. Thank you.
I’m in so much pain and suffering I am praying that I die. You realize how little love there is in this world and how no one cares. I have been getting worse for years and no one listened, I was mocked by doctors family and friends. Life is complete hell for me and is not a gift. Thank you for your empathetic view and I’m glad you are feeling better Jordan. If you read this will you please comment what therapy worked for you? I am curious if it was stemcells.
I am sorry you are experiencing so much suffering. I have chronic pain and at times it has been hellish, but thankfully I've found a degree of relief. I hope the same will happen for you. Don't give up, there are so many treatments out there that could prove beneficial!
I don't know you or what illness you have but I believe you. I spent years suffering, getting worse and was bedridden and ready to end it all right before I was finally dx'd with MCAS by chance. One doctor listened and helped just as I was at the end of my rope. That led to helpful treatments for the deep pain and other symptoms like chronic fatigue. I, too, was called a hypochondriac and lost most of my family and friends and life to this. I'm now pretty functional and life is much better but I still have bad days. I'm not saying you may have mast cell activation, I'm just saying I see you. I feel your pain. I get it. ♥
@@ubiveritasetamor I truely am glad to hear you are getting so relief, and I pray it gets even better, thank you for understanding. One big problem I have is that everything the doctors want to do is wrong and often makes me worse, which is hell in and of itself.
@@chelleb3055 I’m so sorry you had to go through it, nobody can understand being sick and getting bullied by people until you go through it. I hope you keep getting better and thank goodness for that doctor.
In my case I knew my exact diagnosis and it took a decade for the doctors do actually run the right test on me to get it documented, I was laughed at by the “medical professionals” for having the right answers, picked apart by family and friends and now I lay in bed 23 hours a day peeing 30-80 times a day in bottles I keep on my nightstand while losing my mind in solitude. I have a ton of other things that are wrong like my limbs that go completely numb etc etc. and after years of begging family and friends to listen and them making fun of me, now they claim I never said anything about it even though there are piles of proof.
I hope you get to enjoy the rest of your life and thanks for the message.
Detox in Russia and strict diet. His daughter Makalay talks about it in great detail on her UA-cam channel.
When I was depressed, I'm mean really down in the basement, I was thinking of suicide every, single minute I was breathing. Now that the struggle is over because I was treated well by the doctors, I'm *very* grateful for the life.
Thank God I'm alive 🙏 😊
Good to hear.....Praying for you, JP💯🙏
Best explanation of a long time question that I have been asking---- I don't trust the people who can't get your passport in 2 weeks to decide whether or not grandma gets to live. Thanks Jordan, as always.
I'm grandma. For the moment, I'm still strong, healthy, and sentient. But I've made it clear to my family and my health care providers: When I am no longer able to make the decision for myself, give me the mercy you'd afford your dog. And if I AM able to make the decision that it's time to check out, the government that can't get your passport in two weeks has no business WITHHOLDING from me the assistance I need to die with dignity.
@@pricklypear7516apologies in advance to give you my opinion you haven’t ask for. If that day comes don’t do it, (it’s assisted suicide)the pain you might go through offer it to God for all your sins and all us sinners in the world, I promise you it will be worth heaven.
@@between2oceansaguilar671 I've just thrown up.
@@between2oceansaguilar671 Way to go, proselytizing to a woman who voices her intended to remain as dignified in death as she is conducting herself in life.
Screw actually thinking about the human being involved, make it about your religion which no-one else brought into this. *slow clap*
@@pricklypear7516 My thoughts exactly, an I would want to help anyone in my family if they were suffering and couldnt do it themselves , but im in the UK so it might be tricky todo that an not get into trouble, its worrying
So glad you are still here with us! Much love.
My sister suffered a pulmonary embolism in her lung, but hung on with only brain stem function. Her children kept hoping she'd wake up, but I knew she was gone. She hung in there for a month, and sometimes she'd open her eyes, but she was vegetative and the doctors all said the same thing. She was gone. They put her in a care facility, and two days later rushed her back after she had a heart attack. After they got her heart started the third time, the kids finally said just let her go. I agreed with them. Hers was a pretty straightforward case, but do I kill my dementia/alzheimer mother because she's drifting off? Where do you draw the line.
What is the meaning of pains and sufferings? Is it good to eliminate those? Is it bad? What is the point of enduring? What is the point of giving up? When does life begin and when does it end? There are two funerals at the same days, one family celebrate life and memory while other mourn for the death and loss. Perhaps, it's the perspective of hope or lack thereof that guide our action.
@@ianbuick8946 That's very true. Perspective is how you see everything and it'll never be the same for another person. I just don't think the Government should be involved in making those decisions for people. A person with suicidal tendencies who have nothing physically wrong with them can be helped, and thus have a full life, possibly? On the other hand a person so riddled with cancers that he is bedridden and unresponsive will be justified? It's like he said he doesn't trust the government to regulate it.
@@nula654 I concur. Government, in it's true meaning made of people, and people guided by their own conscience and ideology that can be corrupted if left unchecked. Billions people on Earth and each one is a different scenario of life circumstance. My own "suffering" of not having food for one day can be trivial to one somewhere going days without food. A person can live 4 days without water, 4 minutes without air, and 4 seconds without hope. We live in a fallen world, if one can pay attention and recognize it. So the question is "Does assisted suicide give hope?" Certainly not to one was giving the treatment but rather to family members, friends and on larger scale to community and society itself?
If with this comment you are asking for advice, it sounds to me like it is not a black-and-white case with your mother and you don't feel right about doing this in this instance, which is why you are posting it here. Apologies in advance if you are noy asking us for advice - that is what I thought your post meant. Sorry to hear what you went through in the past.
I mean our ethical advice, as in, I feel you were asking whether we agree with you and I agree that assisted suicide is wrong. Don't mean to intrude here.
That was a much more profound answer than I was expecting on such a topic. Great insights.
It always is with him :)
We need to change our attitudes to pain and suffering; it's very hard for example to say you want to elimiate leprosy without immediately thinking of eliminating lepers and disparaging them and seeing them as less. Pain doesn't make you less than, it's not a punishment or something to be elimiated necessarily
My father just committed suicide a few weeks ago. He was a medical doctor and suffered from depression. I wish I was able to get him in contact with you. He was very similar to you.
A drinker, I'll bet.
I am truly sorry for you and your family...
my condolences... =(
My prayers are with you
I’m sorry for your loss.
I lost a friend to suicide. He had depression as well.
Dr. Peterson is right when he says that physician's have assisted in deaths without fanfare. I suppose they know how to read the family members of the patients. I've been at the bedside of 2 relatives. and a partner who were assisted in dying. All 3 in the U.S.. All 3 terminal, and after valiant efforts to save their lives were attempted. They were also, all three elderly, and had said what they wanted at the end of life. Their wishes were followed. I can't imagine making a decision to end a loved one's life, if you weren't sure what they would want. I don't think the government should ever be involved.
I can only try to imagine the talks you gave yourself every morning in order to get out of bed.
You are the strongest man I know of.
You have been tried and are coming forth as solid gold
Spot on - yes, most physicians will prescribe more than enough morphine to put someone out for a person who’s at the end of their life. I experienced this in my family, we were taking care of a beloved family member at home - we all knew he was in the final stages and we had a physician who would come out to the house - he prescribed a fairly significant amount of morphine and told us “use this as you see fit.” And that was that…..there are ways to do this without it becoming another corrupt able government machine
I have kidney disease, no cure, my father died from it. I am going to end my life near the end. I am not going go like he did, he was reduced to a animal like state, he was suffering. He couldnt even talk or understand anyone. He just suffered. If i could of assisted his death i would have.
I'll tell you my thoughts... my sister opted for this, after being diagnosed with stage 4 bone cancer. I would have not chosen... I would have held on and I begged her to fight and I know it was selfish of me- I would have her head hooked up to wires just to still have her around... she was my big sister...my only sister. I can't wish her to have the pain- I can wish her to be with me here and never part- but, I can't ask her to suffer for me.... my thoughts are that I'm just torn about it. I'm certainly grateful to GOD above that YOU are still with us, Dr. Peterson, that you walked through the fire...victorious.
I watched my mom die she had osteoporosis her bones were crumbling and she had several fractures.
I think we are kinder to our pets is all I can say.
Speaking as someone who was suicidal for almost a decade, people who want to kill themselves are generally thwarted by inconvenience more than anything. Make it easy, and people who could recover just won’t bother.
Death should never be convenient or easy such an end is meant to be heavy some things just SHOULDN'T be simple
As a fellow formerly suicidal person, I 100% agree
Malcolm Gladwell wrote an interesting essay on this topic, suicide in Britain by the natural gas in the home. As you said, robbed of a simple way out, they didn't find another way. Suicide rates went down when the easy way vanished.
How are you doing now, friend? How was your day today?
@@Damphouse And how are you now, friend? How was your day today?
Soo glad Dr Peterson is better!! God give him the strength to carry on because we need this man!!
That's where animals have it better than humans in this world. At 54, I’m done with my chronic illness and neurodivergent life.
Whats your chronic illness?
He gives such great answers💯💪🙏
1:24 God bless this man. He has the courage to tell his stories, and on top of that, the courage to cry.
Its like seeing my dad cry. I've seen him have to stop his sentence when he was teared up only maybe once- he was talking about how he'd seen a feather on the path to our cottage (it used to be his parent's) after hearing in an ad that ghosts could be trying to contact you if there's a coin on the ground or if there's a feather on the ground (in typical Dad fashion, he clicked it off after a minute or so thinking 'that's stupid')
He choked up when he said he'd left the car.
Thanks for talking me out of suicide and convincing me to live,jordan. Thanks for talking me out of suicide and convincing me to live,jordan.