I just got the Yamaha. There is so much dynamic capability and I have other high end equipment, so the pure direct feature by itself when I need to go more reference level was a big factor. In addition there's a UA-cam channel where these two brothers tested the actual wattage running through and Yamaha is conservative w it's 100 watt RMS estimate and it came out at 119 Watts over 7.2 channels! I'm really impressed at this entry level receiver and it's music cast features are really easy to use. I only wish it had UA-cam music but the Bluetooth is excellent, so I'm able to play from my phone directly as well. There's just so much flexibility! I'm sure the Onkyo is good too but I know that their customer support has had issues and comparatively, Yamaha's product lines in general tend to pass down Superior technology and if you look at their higher-end receivers/amps, I can see where they save some money but made some really excellent choices in the overall build quality at this price point. Let's just say, I'm not going to be returning this to grab the Onkyo. I'm more than happy with the Yamaha but I'm sure like this guy said you can't really go wrong with either but I'm extremely happy with my purchase of the Yamaha. The TSR 700 is identical to the V6A. It's a Costco exclusive selling for $400 versus the retail of $600 for the V6A and I actually tried to buy it before but it's been sold out and I was at Costco yesterday and I had to grab one! Whatever you decide best of luck to you!
Thank you so much for watching & for the kind words! We completely agree that the Yamaha has some fantastic capabilities and we were incredibly happy with its performance. I believe the guys you mentioned who tested the true power output were Divine AV - they did a great job! Both some truly fantastic receivers at this price point.
Well said - I have just got the last TSR-700 @ Costco for $329.00 on sale ! WOW ! I have it hooked up too New Polk RTI A5(Floor standing) & / 65'' LG CX OLED & just now getting all - "Dialed in " / Yamaha customer service is great , but long hold time !! Loving my TSR-700 !!
@@thereflexmobiledisco6700 I can't say. If I could get hear your Onkyo in the same setup perhaps I'd notice the difference. Sounds like you have. Good to be aware of. What I can say tho is I'm running a pair of Emotiva Airmotiv b1+ slightly toed in and I was watching Haberman and Middlekauf just yesterday and was thinking "wow this sounds like I have a center channel rn!"
I have the Yamaha TSR-700 ($329.00 @Costco) & just love it / The sound is very clean & HDMI(2.1) & the updates for 4K @120hz /& 8K @60hz is a game changer for me ..! The HDMI(2.1) X 7 ports on this unit gives me a very nice pic on my LG-CX / A perfect match IMO ..! Great review TY !
I have an LG C9 and a TSR 700 but , at this point, I have all my video sources connected right to the TV and use eARC to feed the receiver audio. The TSR 700 does sound a lot better than my old Yamaha RX-a730
I purchased this Onkyo for my dad for Christmas last year and it continues to impress me. I am a bit partial to the brand as I sold AV equipment 20 or so yrs ago and found that Onkyo was always outperforming their competitors at their price points on sound and build quality. I’ve had my TX-SR602 as my primary for….. let’s just say it can drink legally in the US lol. She is still going strong and is used daily. No issues. So much power and clarity after all these years powering my JBL Northridge series towers and sounds incredible!! I couldn’t recommend the Onkyo brand enough. Now, since I’m a renter and respect my neighbors I haven’t upgraded to Atmos setup. When I do I’ll drop some coin and will most likely upgrade to a Denon. I’m of the opinion that if I’m staying below a grand, Onkyo it is. While their high end AVR’s are incredible and beefy, Denon reigns supreme on that level and I anticipate putting some serious $$ down and demolishing whatever house I purchase via epic, orgasmic awesomeness that is sure to piss the entire neighborhood off. Those are my thoughts. Cheers 😊
Just bought the onkyo about a year ago to replace a ageing Sony receiver. It really woke up my speakers I thought I needed new but they really sound good now.
Excellent comparison. I’ve always been an Onkyo supporter having obtained both the first receiver with Dolby ProLogic and then the first with DTS decoding. Still have both today and they still sound amazing.
Thanks for watching & that's awesome!! Those older receivers are awesome for stereo & use as multi-channel amps nowadays. It's great to see older AVRs that are still running today! 😀
I just picked up the TSR-700 (V6A) with the new logic board for $375. You can't beat that for what it gives you. Sound quality of this AVR is astoundingly good even with music.
I'll Be Keeping My RX-V473 For Music Whenever I Do Purchase a New 2021/22 Receiver The D.A.C. Chips Yamaha Uses Are Like You Said, Sound Amazing For Music...
Try turning down the sub gain on the Yamaha and turning up the gain on the subs for the same volume. To my surprise that actually cleaned up the bass and made it more impactful, at least for me.
Thanks for the review. Like others, I'm surprised you chose the TSR-700/RX-V6A over the Onkyo TX-NR595 but perhaps I'm bias because I own the TSR-700. My big concern about Onkyo is that over the past few years Onkyo finances and retail chain sales haven't been healthy. For example in 2019 Onkyo struck a deal with Sound United to sell it's Onkyo and Pioneer brands but that deal fell apart. In the summer of 2020, major US retailers Amazon and Best Buy discontinued sales of Onkyo products. So in the end, I just have more confidence in long-term support of Yamaha products over Onkyo. However, sound is important so if you thought the sound was much better with the Onkyo...so that's understandable why you didn't go with Yamaha. You mentioned the center channel in your sound quality analysis, so I have to ask which receiver sounded better to you in a 2-channel stereo comparison (2.0 or 2.1)?
Thanks for watching! In terms of 2 channel performance, these two receivers were incredibly close (close enough that we chose not to mention it at all). The Onkyo did seem to have more bass right out of the box, but the Yamaha was easily corrected to sound pretty much identical. We also appreciate the words about Onkyo's business issues and agree that this should definitely be part of your shopping/evaluation between different receivers!
@@przemekkulesza2393 We do understand that, but you can't expect audiophile grade performance from a $400 AVR. Bass output is significant to a lot of people, and more importantly, demonstrates the current delivery capabilities of a specific amplifier.
@@TwoGuyzTech I am not about audiophile quality for 400 bucks - I am more than that 🙂 not expecting miracles. However even in that price range you will find better, period. I do like Onkyo and will tell that again, my first AV receiver was Onkyo in beautiful gold champagne colour, and funny enough I had choice between Onkyo and Yamaha rx-v396rds and back then Onkyo won They were in similar budget back then. All I am saying - Onkyo could do better and I have my TX-NR676 for sale 😁 🖐️
What I really want to know is where you got that price? looking at the Yamaha, the price is now $899 to $999. did it almost triple in price in the last 2 years .
I have to admit, after taking my Yamaha TSR 700 down and finally wiring the Onkyo TX NR595, its very apparent even to my wife how much better the Onkyo sounds. I've returned the Yamaha and since the HDMI 2.1 were never going to function as claimed, after 5 months Costco gave me a full refund, so kudos to Costco. And I bought the Onkyo for $349.00 from Costco, so I saved money and am very happy with my decision as well.
I am discarding my one week old RX V6 in favor of Maranz . I have made a comparison of the three brands ; rxv6 fails miserably in terms of clarity and crisp sound !
@@paulfool8728 I can't honestly say that - what I can say, in my opinion is the depth of bass, or warmth was not there even after playing around with the various DSP settings. And I was bamboozled like everyone else in 2021 ( early, when I purchased ) to have faulty HDMI boards - never again will I buy a product assuring me of it's stated performance and features " with a future firmware update " that never came. Already bought the RZ50 from Onkyo in October last year - this thing is a BEAST! And all HDMI boards work - just had to adjust in options menu for 8K upscaling. Best thing I did was dump the RS-V6A. Yamaha lost my trust, and Onkyo came back like a gangbuster to earn my total respect.
Many times! The unit I replaced with this one was like 7 years old so for me the difference is mind blowing. The depth of the sound is really its strong point in my opinion.
Yamaha av receivers have silent cinema and its brilliant for late night listening or apartment..all other manufacturers dropped headphone surround in their AV rec...quietly..so it's alway Yamaha for me
@@TwoGuyzTech thank you very much and I’m so glad I found your channel I will be following and looking at all your content I just ordered the 595 NR today when I get it and get it set up I’ll let you know how it goes thank you so much
I own the Yamaha and the higher spec Onkyo 686 ( similar level in price and performance) and I found exactly the same as you did with the Onkyo having a more forward and clearer center, better bass response and more exciting ( brighter ) presentation. I still like the Yamaha and I think when listening at loud levels with a little eq both in Dolby Atmos or dts master audio the sound is more balanced and refined. Another thing I noticed is the Yamaha didn't do a great job with low quality inputs like low level streaming or tv audio and I was always playing with the settings more unlike the Onkyo.
And the 686 didn’t die on you?😳 I want nothing to do with Onkyo!!!😫 I don’t care how “great” they may sound! They are just pieces of garbage! My 686 just died on me yesterday for the 3RD time!!! Twice this year! Even the technicians aren’t impressed! I’m now considering the Yamaha RX-V6A.
Thanks for watching Barrett!! We were super happy with the Onkyo's performance as well! The new Yamahas certainly look unique... It took some time to get used to them but we really liked it after a while! The green-colored display on the Onkyo is really neat though in our opinion 😀
@@TwoGuyzTech that’s a pretty cool idea ! My dad still has a ton of laser discs from back in the day ( player too but it no longer works) might have to try that. 👍
I own an old Onkyo TX-8522 stereo amp and I still can't believe how good it sounds after all these years. I have listened to Yamaha receivers at the same price point and they always came up wanting. This is why I guessed right as to what receiver you would go with, I think you made the right choice. Good review.
Hi, Is it me or is it normal for the volume knob to produce sound until reaching 40? Seems older receivers were not plagued by these issues. Also, I have a hearing loss, and after bumping up all channels to 12 DB, began hearing popping noises. Maybe the unit couldn’t handle it? What is your opinion concerning equipment with intelligible dialogue for a hearing aid wearer? Great channel!
Thanks for watching! We think these are both great receivers and either of them are a fanastic choice. The biggest things that drove us to the Onkyo were its better bass response, and the way it made our center channel sound.
My old Harman Kardon receiver has the analog power supply and weights a ton but no hdmi. Wife pick up a new Onkyo TX-NR595 at a crazy price, it was the last one. Will hookup it up in a few days and see how that goes with my new 5.1.2 speakers.
Thanks for your review, and yes you made the right decision for you. I'm old school I just we could go back to the 70's as far as store fronts. I like to listen with my own ears, but your review was good I need to hear these receivers myself. That is what makes me not spend my money. Keep up the great work. Darryl K.
the onkyo power rating 460watts on the back vs the yamaha 360 watts shows a 100watt difference between the 2...Always check the actual power draw on the back vs any claims about power output from manufacturers...bigger power supplies mean more weight and more current draw which equals a more capable,cleaner sounding receiver,especially at louder volumes where weaker powersupplies fall on their faces
Good choice 👍 onkyo has never let me down and I’ve had the rc260 back in the day when onkyo hdmi boards had trouble not mine though and I have the 686 now got it for like 250 brand new can’t beat that at all plus it has EARC
i still have a rc260 lol, but its starting to go, having trouble maintaining power if I turn on the oven or another high load item in the home. thinking I could find parts, but its a no go or cost to much, probably better idea to upgrade.
@@FurryMetalFerretVT oh wow that’s a long time yea I’d get the new ones coming out this year seem to be a good deal and way more powerful with better room correction
@@thereflexmobiledisco6700 yea I have always had more bass with onkyo I’m about to buy a integra Drx 3.4 as I sold the 686 back in august and haven’t been able to get another one since but got another place now and I feel the 3.4 is the best deal right now
I know I'm late to the party but I'm in the market for a new receiver. Right now I have the Yamaha rx v467. Now I've noticed that these newer receivers say they're 100w with 2ch driven. And my receiver is 105w x 5ch. Does that mean mine is more powerful? I like the Yamaha v6a or Costcos TRS 700 because of the pre out for the front speakers. Anyways. I really like the Yamaha
I had to choose between exactly this two brand, inside the listening room both my wife and I prefer the Onkyo sound as we think the Yamaha sound more on the high sound spektrum and Onkyo sound are more balance and warm
Thanks- My Onkyo txnr515 went bad after 8 years this past week-spent days trying to get it right but HDMI soundboard went bad loosing sound despite reconnecting to TV many times etc.- the Audyssey microphone would not recognize my speakers-while the TV gave me only TV speaker- no sound for my BD/CD player-just for the TV. it cost then around the same price as this model you are reviewing so I think its a buy-(i do use a Yamaha SW as well) speaking of Onkyo I still use a couple of their 20 year plus plus older analog receivers as well. Thanks for the review! If Costco still had the Yamaha it would be a close call but overall I like Onkyo from past experience-
Great comparison video. I’ve seen your dedicated videos on both the receivers. I bought the Yamaha TSR 700 from Costco, but unfortunately had a terrible experience. The switching of HDMI inputs was a nightmare - sometimes it took up to 5 mins (not seconds... minutes) for the switching - and sometimes it did not switch at all. I did some research and found that this is an issue with the 2.1 chip made in Taiwan. Do you know if this is an issue with the onkyo as well? Or did I just get a bad Yamaha piece from Costco? The Yamaha has since been returned to Costco.
Thank you very much for watching and for sharing your experience! This is really odd. We didn't notice these issues with either the Yamaha or Onkyo we tested - but we agree it was a good idea to return that unit, sounds like it was defective. Sorry about the issues, hopefully whatever you get next works out better! :)
@@TwoGuyzTech Sorry for the delayed response, but I have a happy update for you. After I returned the TSR 700 to Costco, I contacted Yamaha support and they recommended that I should have used HDMI inputs #4-7 - as these are specific to HDMI 2.0, and inputs #1-3 are for HDMI 2.1 - this is not published. So, I bought another unit from Costco, **did not** update the firmware and am using inputs 4-6 for my Roku (4k/60hz), PS4 (1080p/24hz) and xfinity flex (4k/60hz), and the switching glitches are greatly reduced - still glitchy - but not a show stopper - once the connection is stable then it performs great. I’m very happy with the unit now.
Thanks for watching! Unfortunately they didn't have the Denon at the time we purchased the Yamaha or the Onkyo, but since then we have done a separate review on the Denon AVR-S750H! :)
Two questions: 1. I have two speakers of 75W at 8ohms each. This amp would be enough to power them? Or what’s the minimum amp power that I need for them? 2. Is NR696 a newer model than this? Do you recommend it?
Thanks for watching! If the speakers handle 75w RMS at 8 ohms then we'd imagine either of these receivers would run them great. The NR696 is a slightly higher end version of the NR595, but we would recommend the new Onkyo TX-NR6050 over both of the receiver we showed in this video. We just reviewed it, it's the newest video on our channel :)
Thanks for watching! These receivers both relatively pretty cool during the duration of our tests, but the Onkyo did get noticeably warmer than the Yamaha.
Thanks for the review! I was thinking about getting the Yamaha but this changed my mind. Would the Onkyo be able to correctly handle the Jamo s809 5.1 kit though? I am watching movies mainly...
Thanks for watching! Either of these receivers would handle the Jamos very well. They're both great choices, we especially liked the Onkyo's setup interface over the Yamaha's as we mentioned in the video.
I'm still getting up to speed with AV gear, but you said the Yamaha upscaled to 4k content a little better than the Onkyo. When researching TV's, I noticed that TV's also had the ability to upscale content to 4k. What are the pros and cons of having the AVR do the upscaling vs the TV?
Thanks for watching! It all depends on the processing ability of each device. Some TVs are better at upscaling, and some receivers are better at upscaling. The Yamaha just did seem to offer a slightly better upscaled image than the Onkyo, but at the same time our TV also has a really good built-in upscaler, so in the end it's just a matter of testing both and seeing which looks better to you. Hope this helps! :)
I'm no expert in this area, but I would say that you should leave the AVR to do the upscaling unless you have a flagship TV with a lot of processing power.
Hi, Talking about sound quality. My experience Yamaha Vs Onkyo. I have Yamaha rx-v1800 few years old, I decided to upgrade and I got myself Onkyo TX-NR676e, 2 year old Atmos, 4k, WiFi and all the juice you will expect this days. And I am disappointed. Maybe Onkyo is better than new Yamaha- I haven't tested yet. Older Yamaha rx-v1800 crushes Onkyo tx-nr676 when it comes to: Sound both surround (no atmos)and stereo no question about it. FM tuner is more accurate as well. Subwoofer output give wider LFE range and enhance performance. Sorry guys I am picking Yamaha 😎
Thanks for watching! We do agree that as you move up the Yamaha line, we would probably choose the Yamaha over an equivalent Onkyo - but the only way to know would be to compare them side-by-side!
@@TwoGuyzTech Yes that is true. I've had older models of Onkyo, my very first was tx-ds474, 575, and tx-sr607 if I remember good and I would say they too sounded better. I have a feeling and I am not alone in this audio section was more advanced back in the days. Well when it comes to costs all the licenses for all those features cost too. Unfortunately it have an impact on product. What do you think about more expensive models of this line. Do you have an experience ? Will more expensive ONKYO models sound better ?
i just replaced an onkyo with a yamaha aventage avr, and while i loved the onkyo, this yamaha sounds superior and more dynamic with the same 80 wpc with the same speakers, couldnt be happier..
Did Onkyo ever fix there Hdmi issue failing after about a year? In the late nineties I always bought Onkyo but have been staying away because of this issue.
@@danemoreno88 Thanks for letting me know. Maybe I should give then a slot again. Whats this hole thing about Onkyo selling out and something that there with Klipsh now? I haven't bought a avr in years and just making sure whats all up before I drop 500 to a 1000 on a avr.
@@danemoreno88 I picked up a Marantz spent a little more then I wanted 2 but its my first one and I love it. I made sure I bought one that was made in Japan ill never by a China unit again...
USED to love Onkyo, but the company has totally lost my trust and i will never buy a onkyo product again, thank god for amazons generous return policy. After trying 3 receivers and having hdmi issues, then dealing with onkyo customer service...wow the CS reps are just plain rude and don't care! Now i buy yamaha and also have a denon receiver (which is great) recently i bought the yamaha tsr 700 (same as v6a) from costco (couldn't resist the $330 price) after reading all the issues people are having with it, i thought i can just return it if problems..... but after setting it up i am completely satisfied with everything no probs' at all the front panel did take a little time to get used to but now i like it!!!
Good review. Having previously used a receiver that was twice the price and being fooled into thinking a more expensive unit was a better 'investment' (reality: they are all obsolete in 5y), I feel the 'budget' $400-500 price point is perfect for a 7.2 setup. I picked the Yammy and I like it but Onkyo looks like it has a better setup.
Thanks for watching! Yeah we're really surprised how much you get with these lower priced models. Things are always changing so it can be hard to spend a lot of money on a receiver just to not have the ability to watch a newer movie because it uses a different audio or video format! Yamaha is a great choice :)
Thanks for watching! As we mentioned, yes, both do a good job getting the distances of the speakers right - but we still always go back and check to be sure. To us, it's more about getting the best sound quality possible over efficiency. Spending a little more time getting everything set right, in our opinion, is worth it to get the best sound quality possible.
@@TwoGuyzTech I only spoke of distance. It's easier, for me with no expensive or specific tuning tools, to tweak the outcomes of the automated process. to suit my declining hearing. I was reading Stereophile where a specialist came in to do a final set up on a pair of speakers. The reviewer stated that the uber-mensch moved the speaker no more than a half inch and the results were very easily perceived. This is why I wen to Ohms. I don't do hobby here. I just want DECENT sound. A much lower bar to jump, compared to the low bar (though expensive) you must limbo under to get excellence in a solo sitting spot. I am awaiting the BIG units that are to be released later this year. I have had very good reliability (The BEST ability.) with the Yammys.
i used the roon correction on my yamaha, i found i still had to tweak the settings like speaker distance, level ect, while its close, its not bang on..
@@anthonycyr9657 When it comes to an adjustment of an inch or so. I agree. Since I went with omni-directional speakers, most of this is unimportant (to me) other than some general room corrections.
I have the Marantz SR5015 and for movies it's just not that great to me. It's good but I'm not in love with it. Gonna swap it for the onkyo tx-rz50 coming out. I heard that is a beast and only 100 bucks more for an extra 20 watt per channel! I'm thinking this will be the best bang for the buck plus, is THX Certified and they have high standards. Your thoughts on what I'm gonna do for a 5.2.2 setup using B&W floor and center speakers along with bookshelf for the rears.
Does the Onkyo have Alexa support? I am wanting to upgrade, but voice assistant/smart integration compatibility is going to be probably the main reason to upgrade; if it was just sound, I'd probably still go vintage or stick with what I have. I want to be able to do automations so I don't have to control everything individually.
Thank you very much for watching & that's a great question! While we personally haven't had a chance to try out Anthem Room Correction, we have heard that the microphones and software are great quality and we've heard a lot of success stories from a lot of people. Hopefully we get to play around with these higher end room correction solutions in the future! With these entry-level models like the Yamaha and the Onkyo, you unfortunately don't get as good of a microphone which is the biggest factor as we mentioned in the video.
Can you please tell us all.... Does the Yamaha have a "dedicated/real" parametric EQ like my old RXV-667 does???? I so need that feature to fine tune it my way. Thanks guys!! & Keep going strong!! :)
Thanks for watching! In the RX-V6A's setup interface, there should be a set of menus (Speaker > Equalizer > EQ Select) where you can enter the GEQ manual equalizer similar to what you have on the 667! Hope this helps :)
Thanks for watching! Unfortunately we're not sure why these units are so much more expensive in Europe. Perhaps it has something to do with regulation? EU might have stricter limits on RF emissions etc. or maybe even the availability of 240V European models with euro plugs vs 120V NA models with US plugs.
@@TwoGuyzTech I'll tell you, sort of, how it works in Canada. Maybe it can apply to Europe, as well.Part of it is what they call "the cost of doing business in Canada", which is higher taxes, higher wages, more regulation... a lot of factors. While, there's SOMETHING to that, a lot of the discrepancies we see here come down to ONE thing-different national distributors. If a company has a common North American distributor (Apple and Epson are two that come to mind), the price difference is negligible, often being close to zero, once you do the currency conversion. BUT, if there's a separate Canadian distributor, then you will get taken to the wood shed, and they will contractually block the U.S. distributor from making its products available to ship to Canada from a U.S. retail outlet. Panasonic is one of the worst examples of this. I was looking at buying a Panasonic HT projector a while back, and, after the conversion, it was more than twice the price as the U.S. retailers. I called Panasonic Canada, and found an honest salesperson. I asked her to explain what was going on, and she said, that, basically, for no reason, Panasonic was considered a premium brand in Canada, even though it was more middle-of-the-road in the States, and that they priced it that high because they could get away with it. It's a combination of distributors having absolute control, and not enough retail options here. You can find deals, occasionally (I know of one U.S. online retailer who will ship Sony products at U.S. prices to Canada, for example) or you can drive to the States if you live close enough to a border town, and hope you get a duty-friendly assessment on the way back, but we're far more limited in the options we have than in the States. I hope that helps a little.
@@EmotionallyExhausted I so hear you man... I watched "Marketplace" few yrs. ago about Canadian pricing as opposed to US.. The answer by the Canadian retailer's association, was because the market is healthy enough to basically gouge us Canadians!! Pisses me off severely!!! Blood sucking industries... We need a bit of "socialism" in our country so we don't become corporate sheep... getting constantly "FLEECED!!!"
The most important features to me is how they handle a Zone 2 and which has the better iPhone app. I have wired speakers to an outdoor patio and want the receiver that lets me stream music to Zone 2 while movies on Zone 1
Onkyo has an AB amp. Full discreet output . Yamaha ??? Opening the receiver and showing the components inside would have been nice . See which has better or larger caps , better heat sink plates or soldering job or whatever .
Thanks for watching! Through some research, we did discover that Yamaha does have Class A/B amps in the RX-V6A, but we're not sure about the output stage. We would have loved to take these units apart/take the covers off, but, because we were planning on returning at least one of them, unfortunately we weren't able to!
Hey guys, I am new in this topic and I have a doubt, I hope some of you could help me. What's the difference between connecting my tv to my av receiver with an EARC connection between using the 2.1 hdmi port directly to the receiver? My tv is an LG C1 oled, it has Dolby Atmos an EARC Port. Thanks in advanced guys, and thanks for the content.
I need a receiver with pre-outs for the front mains as I use a seperate amplifier for that pair. It *sounds* like the Onkyo zone 2 pre-outs can be used for that. Can anyone confirm?
I have an Onkyo and a Yamaha. The Onkyo is 10 years old and is in my dedicated home theater and the Yamaha is the RX-V4A that is in a more casual viewing environment. I like them both. The plan is to replace the Onkyo with a 4k receiver a couple of steps up from these entry level AVRs. The bad news is I'm conflicted on these brands. The good news is I think whichever I choose, I'll be in good shape. Along with a new receiver, I need to get a 4k projector. We have a 65" 4k TV, but my wife prefers the look of front projection. She finds it to be a more movie like presentation. 4k projectors is an whole other ball of wax and unfortunately I would like to go with true 4k and it is out of my price range.
I am pretty sure that Onkyo is no more. Crutchfeild was supposed to have one on their website today. They don't. Now they say on back order don't know when they will get one.
Time you guys do a new battle the onkyo has been updated since then. The TSR 700 is back online at Costco. I order the Onkyo at Costco yesterday. Literally lasted 20 minutes on the website and then was gone.
All of you are forgetting the enormous detail that Yamaha will be more future compatible since its 2.1 HDMI. He even said that the visuals are better on the Yamaha. You will get better sound and visual quality especially if you have a PS5 or Xbox Series X.
What's with these built-in displays made up of blue dots you can count? They look exactly the same as 40 years ago when I was interested in this stuff. It does not look bad to me because it reminds me of my glory days. I am puzzled though that people put up with them today.
Has Onkyo fixed their issues with their HDMI boards? Had one 12 years ago and it died in less than a year with a dead HDMI board. It was a major known issue back then.
I got a really nice deal on an Onkyo 5.2 receiver that has the option of using the surround channels for ATMOS output. Have you ever reviewed anything like that? I didn't buy it for that reason, because I really just wanted a solid entry-level receiver for Dolby 5.1, and it was just a super-value. The ATMOS option was just a weird little perk. I'm just wondering if it's worth it to add a couple of ceiling speakers to watch the occasional ATMOS movie in 3.1.2, especially when I'll have to unplug the surround. Thanks.
Thanks for watching and that's really neat! Unfortunately we haven't reviewed a receiver like that but it is a really cool idea! We'd say it's probably worth playing around with just out of plain curiosity!! 😀
Thanks for watching! That's certainly a big sticking point and a great example of getting the right receiver for your use case. The Yamaha is a fantastic receiver with eARC at this price!
@@TwoGuyzTech I'm glad it has it, I have a LG OLED c9 and I'm using that for my switching. I tried connecting my 4k cable box to the TSR 700 but about 1/3 of the time it had issues passing video to the TV- I'd get white snow or the picture would be stretched extra wide. So my 4k fire stick and my cable box go directly to the LG. That and the TVs internal streaming apps have a better picture than xfinitys apps so eARC was pretty much a requirement for me. Good video btw
@chris diesenbruch: I just found out that ONKYO is releasing a new line of receivers that should have it all - eARC, 8k, hdimi 2.1, etc. I think they are coming this summer. I'm going to watch for those.
When I've made an audio comparison, I find the Onkyo receiver has a bit more oomph. I found it has a bit deeper and tighter bass than it's near same price competition. You might think it's because I currently own one, and that answer would be, no. I own a Denon 5.1 receiver which isn't a current model. I had a Sony STR-1080DN, but it was damaged in an electrical storm. I believe to my ear, the Onkyo (a more expensive model than that which was reviewed here), sounded better to my ear.
Thanks for these detailed reviews! I decided to buy the Onkyo based on your review because the sound clarity and bass response are my biggest concerns. After using a mid-level Yamaha Dolby Digital/DTS receiver for the last 18+ years and going through 3 different center channel speakers, AR, Polk, and Paradigm, it always seemed like the dialogue wasn’t crisp. While I could independently increase the volume of the center channel, the inability to change the tone really hurt the overall experience. The new Klipsch center channel with aluminum tweeters definitely helped, but not as much as I had hoped. I’m looking forward to setting up the new system!
Thank you very much for watching! The Onkyo is a great choice. The added tone control should definitely help you out with the treble in your center channel. Dialogue was great through the Onkyo :)
Over 18 years, wow, why you bought it, VCR movies? Phono music? now you have to study codecs, this is the future! Crips, that's because u used bad sources!
@@lucasrem Nope, sorry, try again troll. The Yamaha was hindered by the lack of tone control on the center channel. Same sources, same speakers, but very different sound quality from the two receivers.
Thanks for watching! Thankfully both of them have AM and FM functionality - check the footage at 1:38 - separate antenna hookups for both :) Hope this helps!
Cooler Onkyo. Ich besitze allerdings seid mehr als zwei Jahren den Onkyo tx nr696. Tolles Gerät. Aber ich hab mich lieber zu einem guten 5.1 zurück bewegt und der Onkyo steht jetzt im Rack des Schlafzimmer's geparkt. Er kommt auch trotz Dolby Atmos und der HD Tonformate sowie dem ganzen anderen vermurksten Krempel darin, (den keiner braucht), an meinen marantz sr14 heran. Ich habe lieber nen richtig guten alten Boliden mit super guter Endstufensektionen ( Sanken Transistoren) und richtig guten Klang als, ein Haufen Kanäle mit vielen Lautsprechern welche das Netzteil nicht in der Lage ist anständige zu versorgen. Bzw. die meißte Energie in Features geht, welche für mich persönlich garnix in einem AVR zu suchen haben. Ein AVR soll für mein dafür halten nur eines so richtig gut können. Und das ist: Mich mit spektakulärem supergut klingendem Filmton zu versorgen und zu begeistern. Das schaffen meinem Geschmack nach diese Geräte nicht wirklich. Spotify, Internet mit Radio etc. Was soll der Misst in den Geräten. Was sollen in diesen Geräten Endstufen Transistoren welche mit 170 Watt pro arbeiten können wenn es das Netzteil garnicht bereit stellt. Dafür verbraucht der Grafic Chip und der Internet Krempel so viel verbrät, dass für die Endstufen nur noch 25 Watt pro Kanal übrig bleiben. Na ja. Man kann damit Filme schauen und hören. Aber für meienen Geschmack keine hohe Qualität beim Ton erwarten. Qualitativ hochwertig zu hörender Ton geht nun einmal anders .;-) Ist ein tolles Video und ein interessanter Vergleich unter den Geräten.
Thanks for watching! Yep we tend to agree here. It does seem like the lower end receiver segment is moving toward packing as many features as possible into these boxes which might come at the expense of sound quality. They have enough muscle for less efficient speakers but for sure in our theater we prefer separate amps and processor that just focuses on reproducing the source signal as cleanly as possible. We appreciate the kind words :)
Thank you for this Great video, I must disagree about final decision about sound department. In my case before buying the TSR-700 I looked for two key factors, PS5 2.1 HDMI 4K/120, 8K/60 compatibility and second Hi-Res/Audio where I see a clear winner since Yamaha is using a Texas Instruments DACs includes the 384 kHz / 32-bit BB PCM5102A, a state-of-the-art DAC designed for Hi Res more expensive AV systems. Finally, I can shared my own experience with a former RX-V571 that was retired after 12 years in service without a flaw on any department and I was amazed this system came with a DAC Burr Brown 24-bit/192kHz on early 2010´s that uses the same bit same rate that you can find on a recent Marantz NR1711. In conclusion, I consider Yamaha´s background on music industry back up the high fidelity sound on Yamahas AV compared to Onkyo´s that they are more focus on movies experience. I have set my Yamaha TSR-700 with 7.1 KEF speakers system and music really comes back to life. Cheers!
Do these systems require an internet connection to work, or do they automatically transmit wirelessly? I'd rather not have things hooked up to the internet that I don't need to have.
Thanks for watching! Nope these do not require an internet connection to work. If you want to use them to stream music from an online service, we would recommend simply connecting a streaming box over HDMI or RCA if you have that option.
Sanzui sounds is the best if comparison is the name of the game. I was sleeping upper stair when i woke listening to a strange voice that i thought my mother had a guest speaking to her. Its a fine speech and it can be confused as a live speaker on stage. So i stare down stair and found no one except my mother listening to her sanzui.
Despite the updated features of the newer entry level receivers now...I'd still rather stick to my older mid/high end Integra DTR 8.8 receiver (around $2,400 new)...I don't own anything above 1080p resolution, so none of those features really matter to me.
I just got the Yamaha. There is so much dynamic capability and I have other high end equipment, so the pure direct feature by itself when I need to go more reference level was a big factor. In addition there's a UA-cam channel where these two brothers tested the actual wattage running through and Yamaha is conservative w it's 100 watt RMS estimate and it came out at 119 Watts over 7.2 channels! I'm really impressed at this entry level receiver and it's music cast features are really easy to use. I only wish it had UA-cam music but the Bluetooth is excellent, so I'm able to play from my phone directly as well. There's just so much flexibility! I'm sure the Onkyo is good too but I know that their customer support has had issues and comparatively, Yamaha's product lines in general tend to pass down Superior technology and if you look at their higher-end receivers/amps, I can see where they save some money but made some really excellent choices in the overall build quality at this price point. Let's just say, I'm not going to be returning this to grab the Onkyo. I'm more than happy with the Yamaha but I'm sure like this guy said you can't really go wrong with either but I'm extremely happy with my purchase of the Yamaha. The TSR 700 is identical to the V6A. It's a Costco exclusive selling for $400 versus the retail of $600 for the V6A and I actually tried to buy it before but it's been sold out and I was at Costco yesterday and I had to grab one! Whatever you decide best of luck to you!
Thank you so much for watching & for the kind words! We completely agree that the Yamaha has some fantastic capabilities and we were incredibly happy with its performance. I believe the guys you mentioned who tested the true power output were Divine AV - they did a great job! Both some truly fantastic receivers at this price point.
Well said - I have just got the last TSR-700 @ Costco for $329.00 on sale ! WOW ! I have it hooked up too New Polk RTI A5(Floor standing) & / 65'' LG CX OLED & just now getting all - "Dialed in " / Yamaha customer service is great , but long hold time !! Loving my TSR-700 !!
@@stangmann1521 I ALSO HAVE TSR-700 AND IS A VERY GOOD RECEIVER.
Do you not find the center lacking though? As I did. I think my onkyos outshined the Yamaha here.
@@thereflexmobiledisco6700 I can't say. If I could get hear your Onkyo in the same setup perhaps I'd notice the difference. Sounds like you have. Good to be aware of. What I can say tho is I'm running a pair of Emotiva Airmotiv b1+ slightly toed in and I was watching Haberman and Middlekauf just yesterday and was thinking "wow this sounds like I have a center channel rn!"
I have the Yamaha TSR-700 ($329.00 @Costco) & just love it / The sound is very clean & HDMI(2.1) & the updates for 4K @120hz /& 8K @60hz is a game changer for me ..! The HDMI(2.1) X 7 ports on this unit gives me a very nice pic on my LG-CX / A perfect match IMO ..! Great review TY !
I have an LG C9 and a TSR 700 but , at this point, I have all my video sources connected right to the TV and use eARC to feed the receiver audio. The TSR 700 does sound a lot better than my old Yamaha RX-a730
Couldn't agree more!! The Yamaha is a great unit for the money! Thanks for watching!
@@chrisd4432 On my LG-CX HDMI port #2 is e-ARC... I have a new 2.1 HDMI / Out from TSR 700 to port #2 HDMI TV Port..!!
@@stangmann1521 same here
I purchased this Onkyo for my dad for Christmas last year and it continues to impress me. I am a bit partial to the brand as I sold AV equipment 20 or so yrs ago and found that Onkyo was always outperforming their competitors at their price points on sound and build quality.
I’ve had my TX-SR602 as my primary for….. let’s just say it can drink legally in the US lol. She is still going strong and is used daily. No issues. So much power and clarity after all these years powering my JBL Northridge series towers and sounds incredible!!
I couldn’t recommend the Onkyo brand enough. Now, since I’m a renter and respect my neighbors I haven’t upgraded to Atmos setup. When I do I’ll drop some coin and will most likely upgrade to a Denon. I’m of the opinion that if I’m staying below a grand, Onkyo it is. While their high end AVR’s are incredible and beefy, Denon reigns supreme on that level and I anticipate putting some serious $$ down and demolishing whatever house I purchase via epic, orgasmic awesomeness that is sure to piss the entire neighborhood off. Those are my thoughts. Cheers 😊
I've had Onkio gear for over twenty years, and I've always been very happy with it.
Thanks for watching & sharing! Onkyo is great :)
I like them but have had reliability issues so switched to Yamaha.
Just bought the onkyo about a year ago to replace a ageing Sony receiver. It really woke up my speakers I thought I needed new but they really sound good now.
Thanks for watching & we're glad the Onkyo brought some new life into your setup!! It's amazing what good power can do for a system!
Excellent comparison. I’ve always been an Onkyo supporter having obtained both the first receiver with Dolby ProLogic and then the first with DTS decoding. Still have both today and they still sound amazing.
Thanks for watching & that's awesome!! Those older receivers are awesome for stereo & use as multi-channel amps nowadays. It's great to see older AVRs that are still running today! 😀
I just picked up the TSR-700 (V6A) with the new logic board for $375. You can't beat that for what it gives you. Sound quality of this AVR is astoundingly good even with music.
I'll Be Keeping My RX-V473 For Music Whenever I Do Purchase a New 2021/22 Receiver The D.A.C. Chips Yamaha Uses Are Like You Said, Sound Amazing For Music...
@@noecker97 They really are...I was pleasantly surprised at how good it is.
Try turning down the sub gain on the Yamaha and turning up the gain on the subs for the same volume. To my surprise that actually cleaned up the bass and made it more impactful, at least for me.
I do agree, Onkyo sounds great!
Thanks for the review. Like others, I'm surprised you chose the TSR-700/RX-V6A over the Onkyo TX-NR595 but perhaps I'm bias because I own the TSR-700. My big concern about Onkyo is that over the past few years Onkyo finances and retail chain sales haven't been healthy. For example in 2019 Onkyo struck a deal with Sound United to sell it's Onkyo and Pioneer brands but that deal fell apart. In the summer of 2020, major US retailers Amazon and Best Buy discontinued sales of Onkyo products. So in the end, I just have more confidence in long-term support of Yamaha products over Onkyo. However, sound is important so if you thought the sound was much better with the Onkyo...so that's understandable why you didn't go with Yamaha. You mentioned the center channel in your sound quality analysis, so I have to ask which receiver sounded better to you in a 2-channel stereo comparison (2.0 or 2.1)?
Thanks for watching! In terms of 2 channel performance, these two receivers were incredibly close (close enough that we chose not to mention it at all). The Onkyo did seem to have more bass right out of the box, but the Yamaha was easily corrected to sound pretty much identical. We also appreciate the words about Onkyo's business issues and agree that this should definitely be part of your shopping/evaluation between different receivers!
@@TwoGuyzTech bass is not everything and not defining sound quality as one factor 🖐️
@@przemekkulesza2393 We do understand that, but you can't expect audiophile grade performance from a $400 AVR. Bass output is significant to a lot of people, and more importantly, demonstrates the current delivery capabilities of a specific amplifier.
@@TwoGuyzTech I am not about audiophile quality for 400 bucks - I am more than that 🙂 not expecting miracles. However even in that price range you will find better, period. I do like Onkyo and will tell that again, my first AV receiver was Onkyo in beautiful gold champagne colour, and funny enough I had choice between Onkyo and Yamaha rx-v396rds and back then Onkyo won They were in similar budget back then. All I am saying - Onkyo could do better and I have my TX-NR676 for sale 😁 🖐️
What I really want to know is where you got that price? looking at the Yamaha, the price is now $899 to $999. did it almost triple in price in the last 2 years .
Great comparison, your constant zoom snapping makes your videos hard to watch though.
I have to admit, after taking my Yamaha TSR 700 down and finally wiring the Onkyo TX NR595, its very apparent even to my wife how much better the Onkyo sounds. I've returned the Yamaha and since the HDMI 2.1 were never going to function as claimed, after 5 months Costco gave me a full refund, so kudos to Costco. And I bought the Onkyo for $349.00 from Costco, so I saved money and am very happy with my decision as well.
I am discarding my one week old RX V6 in favor of Maranz . I have made a comparison of the three brands ; rxv6 fails miserably in terms of clarity and crisp sound !
@@paulfool8728 I can't honestly say that - what I can say, in my opinion is the depth of bass, or warmth was not there even after playing around with the various DSP settings. And I was bamboozled like everyone else in 2021 ( early, when I purchased ) to have faulty HDMI boards - never again will I buy a product assuring me of it's stated performance and features " with a future firmware update " that never came.
Already bought the RZ50 from Onkyo in October last year - this thing is a BEAST! And all HDMI boards work - just had to adjust in options menu for 8K upscaling.
Best thing I did was dump the RS-V6A. Yamaha lost my trust, and Onkyo came back like a gangbuster to earn my total respect.
I just bought the Yamaha and I love it! Sound, picture and features all are top quality in my opinion.
Good choice!! We're glad you're enjoying it. Thank you for the support! 😀
Have you been able to use her HDMI 2.1 option?
Many times! The unit I replaced with this one was like 7 years old so for me the difference is mind blowing. The depth of the sound is really its strong point in my opinion.
ME TO I JUST LOVE THIS RECEIVER AND NOW IT HAS A NEW UPDATE 1.48
Both are good but to my ears Onkyo has the class for the price.
Why u use it, Phono music or Atmos streams?
Yamaha av receivers have silent cinema and its brilliant for late night listening or apartment..all other manufacturers dropped headphone surround in their AV rec...quietly..so it's alway Yamaha for me
Fantastic review, I may have missed it, but with the Onkyo can you hook up an amplifier to run the left and right channel? Thank you for your feedback
Thank you very much! yes you can use the pre outs for zone B to add external amps to power you front left and right speakers :)
@@TwoGuyzTech thank you very much and I’m so glad I found your channel I will be following and looking at all your content I just ordered the 595 NR today when I get it and get it set up I’ll let you know how it goes thank you so much
I own the Yamaha and the higher spec Onkyo 686 ( similar level in price and performance) and I found exactly the same as you did with the Onkyo having a more forward and clearer center, better bass response and more exciting ( brighter ) presentation. I still like the Yamaha and I think when listening at loud levels with a little eq both in Dolby Atmos or dts master audio the sound is more balanced and refined. Another thing I noticed is the Yamaha didn't do a great job with low quality inputs like low level streaming or tv audio and I was always playing with the settings more unlike the Onkyo.
And the 686 didn’t die on you?😳 I want nothing to do with Onkyo!!!😫 I don’t care how “great” they may sound! They are just pieces of garbage! My 686 just died on me yesterday for the 3RD time!!! Twice this year! Even the technicians aren’t impressed! I’m now considering the Yamaha RX-V6A.
@@Turtleback8024nope, think you had a bad batch. Mine still going strong and used every day.
@@thereflexmobiledisco6700 Good for you.👍Got myself a Yamaha RX-V6A, and am happy with it!!!👌
Amazing comparison guys. I was actually surprised how well the Onkyo did. I am a fan of the new Yamaha looks though!
Thanks for watching Barrett!! We were super happy with the Onkyo's performance as well! The new Yamahas certainly look unique... It took some time to get used to them but we really liked it after a while! The green-colored display on the Onkyo is really neat though in our opinion 😀
@@TwoGuyzTech That green lettering reminds me of the Alpine decks from car audio back in the day...nostalgic ;P. Great video as always guys.
Thanks man!!! 😀
This is my favorite format, because its alway this or that? Which one is the best for the money. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Great video. What is the Raiders of the Lost Ark thing in the background? I thoughy it was a pinball machine.
Laserdisc movie cover! Put it into a 12" photo frame and we're really happy with all of the ones we made. Thanks for watching :)
@@TwoGuyzTech that’s a pretty cool idea ! My dad still has a ton of laser discs from back in the day ( player too but it no longer works) might have to try that. 👍
I picked up an Onkyo TX-NR686 on clearance for $269! It is an absolute beast. I saved enough to add a pair of Onkyo's Atmos speakers.
Thanks for watching!! That's a pretty good deal! :)
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I own an old Onkyo TX-8522 stereo amp and I still can't believe how good it sounds after all these years. I have listened to Yamaha receivers at the same price point and they always came up wanting. This is why I guessed right as to what receiver you would go with, I think you made the right choice. Good review.
Thank you very much!😀
I had the TX-NR676 and sold that and got the Yamaha RX-V6A and I think the Yamaha is a much better receiver
Thanks for watching!! The Yamaha is a fantastic choice and we're glad you're enjoying it! 😀
Thank you for your unbiased decision on what Receiver works better for you in your case … Thank you
Thank you for watching!😀
Hi,
Is it me or is it normal for the volume knob to produce sound until reaching 40? Seems older receivers were not plagued by these issues.
Also, I have a hearing loss, and after bumping up all channels to 12 DB, began hearing popping noises. Maybe the unit couldn’t handle it?
What is your opinion concerning equipment with intelligible dialogue for a hearing aid wearer?
Great channel!
Onkyo always seems to have a better and more full sound for music as well when compared to the Yamaha
That's what we found!! Thanks for watching :)
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It really comes down to which receiver is available and the other on is out of stock!
Onkyo's products are really great!
We think so too!! Thanks for watching! 😀
Nice review and thanks for taking a position, although we’re given little detail on the reasons that persuaded you to chose the Onkyo
Thanks for watching! We think these are both great receivers and either of them are a fanastic choice. The biggest things that drove us to the Onkyo were its better bass response, and the way it made our center channel sound.
I have been happy with the brand name Onkyo. I have that brand name at home, and I will choose that receiver on my next project.
Onkyo makes some very solid and reliable gear, and the receiver we tested was great. Thank you very much for watching! :)
My old Harman Kardon receiver has the analog power supply and weights a ton but no hdmi. Wife pick up a new Onkyo TX-NR595 at a crazy price, it was the last one. Will hookup it up in a few days and see how that goes with my new 5.1.2 speakers.
Let us know how it works out - having HDMI should certainly make things more convenient! Thanks for watching!! 💯
Thanks for your review, and yes you made the right decision for you. I'm old school I just we could go back to the 70's as far as store fronts. I like to listen with my own ears, but your review was good I need to hear these receivers myself. That is what makes me not spend my money. Keep up the great work. Darryl K.
Well said! Thanks for watching Darryl!
Very well explained, I have bose acoustimass 10 V, 5.1.please let me know which receiver brand works best with it.
Nice video. I just pickrd up a yamaha and its great. Only issue is I vant see dts in the displays window?
the onkyo power rating 460watts on the back vs the yamaha 360 watts shows a 100watt difference between the 2...Always check the actual power draw on the back vs any claims about power output from manufacturers...bigger power supplies mean more weight and more current draw which equals a more capable,cleaner sounding receiver,especially at louder volumes where weaker powersupplies fall on their faces
Good choice 👍 onkyo has never let me down and I’ve had the rc260 back in the day when onkyo hdmi boards had trouble not mine though and I have the 686 now got it for like 250 brand new can’t beat that at all plus it has EARC
i still have a rc260 lol, but its starting to go, having trouble maintaining power if I turn on the oven or another high load item in the home. thinking I could find parts, but its a no go or cost to much, probably better idea to upgrade.
@@FurryMetalFerretVT oh wow that’s a long time yea I’d get the new ones coming out this year seem to be a good deal and way more powerful with better room correction
I prefer my 686 to my Yamaha that's in this video for the reasons mentioned - slow dated display, center channel weaker, less bass output.
@@thereflexmobiledisco6700 yea I have always had more bass with onkyo I’m about to buy a integra Drx 3.4 as I sold the 686 back in august and haven’t been able to get another one since but got another place now and I feel the 3.4 is the best deal right now
I know I'm late to the party but I'm in the market for a new receiver. Right now I have the Yamaha rx v467. Now I've noticed that these newer receivers say they're 100w with 2ch driven. And my receiver is 105w x 5ch. Does that mean mine is more powerful? I like the Yamaha v6a or Costcos TRS 700 because of the pre out for the front speakers. Anyways. I really like the Yamaha
I had to choose between exactly this two brand, inside the listening room both my wife and I prefer the Onkyo sound as we think the Yamaha sound more on the high sound spektrum and Onkyo sound are more balance and warm
Thanks- My Onkyo txnr515 went bad after 8 years this past week-spent days trying to get it right but HDMI soundboard went bad loosing sound despite reconnecting to TV many times etc.- the Audyssey microphone would not recognize my speakers-while the TV gave me only TV speaker- no sound for my BD/CD player-just for the TV.
it cost then around the same price as this model you are reviewing so I think its a buy-(i do use a Yamaha SW as well)
speaking of Onkyo I still use a couple of their 20 year plus plus older analog receivers as well.
Thanks for the review!
If Costco still had the Yamaha it would be a close call but overall I like Onkyo from past experience-
Thanks for watching! 8 years is a pretty good run, and you're right it is a pretty tight race between the two!😀
Great video. When it comes to power supplies, current is more important than watts as far as driving loudspeakers is concerned.
Great point!
yamaha are great for home theater, ONKYO are the BEST for stereo music.
Great comparison video.
I’ve seen your dedicated videos on both the receivers.
I bought the Yamaha TSR 700 from Costco, but unfortunately had a terrible experience. The switching of HDMI inputs was a nightmare - sometimes it took up to 5 mins (not seconds... minutes) for the switching - and sometimes it did not switch at all.
I did some research and found that this is an issue with the 2.1 chip made in Taiwan.
Do you know if this is an issue with the onkyo as well?
Or did I just get a bad Yamaha piece from Costco?
The Yamaha has since been returned to Costco.
Thank you very much for watching and for sharing your experience! This is really odd. We didn't notice these issues with either the Yamaha or Onkyo we tested - but we agree it was a good idea to return that unit, sounds like it was defective. Sorry about the issues, hopefully whatever you get next works out better! :)
@@TwoGuyzTech Sorry for the delayed response, but I have a happy update for you.
After I returned the TSR 700 to Costco, I contacted Yamaha support and they recommended that I should have used HDMI inputs #4-7 - as these are specific to HDMI 2.0, and inputs #1-3 are for HDMI 2.1 - this is not published.
So, I bought another unit from Costco, **did not** update the firmware and am using inputs 4-6 for my Roku (4k/60hz), PS4 (1080p/24hz) and xfinity flex (4k/60hz), and the switching glitches are greatly reduced - still glitchy - but not a show stopper - once the connection is stable then it performs great.
I’m very happy with the unit now.
Thanks for the update! That's a very interesting observation. We're glad that ended up clearing it up & we hope you enjoy the AVR! :)
There's no Yamaha at Costco. What happened and where do we go for a deal?
I have that same onkyo receiver that I bought a couple months ago. I hear buzzing/humming sound inside the receiver. Any advise on what that can be?
Please explain why you compared onkyo to Yamaha but not to the denon that’s available also at Costco for same price???? THANK YOU GUYZ👍🏻
Thanks for watching! Unfortunately they didn't have the Denon at the time we purchased the Yamaha or the Onkyo, but since then we have done a separate review on the Denon AVR-S750H! :)
@@TwoGuyzTech I guess you’re not going to compare but thanks anyway 🤙🏻
Two questions:
1. I have two speakers of 75W at 8ohms each. This amp would be enough to power them? Or what’s the minimum amp power that I need for them?
2. Is NR696 a newer model than this? Do you recommend it?
Thanks for watching! If the speakers handle 75w RMS at 8 ohms then we'd imagine either of these receivers would run them great. The NR696 is a slightly higher end version of the NR595, but we would recommend the new Onkyo TX-NR6050 over both of the receiver we showed in this video. We just reviewed it, it's the newest video on our channel :)
@@TwoGuyzTech Are those models prone to the well known HDMI board failure? Or this is a thing of the past?
I've always heard from many that Onkyos fail fairly quickly, a year or 2.....or is that just the cheaper models?
You always go forward not backwards I would stay with hdmi 2.1🤔
Thanks for the review, but which one gets heated up soon & more when compared?
Thanks for watching! These receivers both relatively pretty cool during the duration of our tests, but the Onkyo did get noticeably warmer than the Yamaha.
Thanks for your reply, well if you get an opportunity please do review of Pioneer Vsx-934 in comparison with these two AVR.
@@christheisgen2979 that's good advice but if the receiver doesn't have pre outs for the amp to use, it will be useless
Thanks for the review! I was thinking about getting the Yamaha but this changed my mind. Would the Onkyo be able to correctly handle the Jamo s809 5.1 kit though? I am watching movies mainly...
Thanks for watching! Either of these receivers would handle the Jamos very well. They're both great choices, we especially liked the Onkyo's setup interface over the Yamaha's as we mentioned in the video.
I'm still getting up to speed with AV gear, but you said the Yamaha upscaled to 4k content a little better than the Onkyo. When researching TV's, I noticed that TV's also had the ability to upscale content to 4k. What are the pros and cons of having the AVR do the upscaling vs the TV?
Thanks for watching! It all depends on the processing ability of each device. Some TVs are better at upscaling, and some receivers are better at upscaling. The Yamaha just did seem to offer a slightly better upscaled image than the Onkyo, but at the same time our TV also has a really good built-in upscaler, so in the end it's just a matter of testing both and seeing which looks better to you. Hope this helps! :)
I'm no expert in this area, but I would say that you should leave the AVR to do the upscaling unless you have a flagship TV with a lot of processing power.
The onkyo Tx-nr650 from Costco is hdmi 2.1
Hi,
Talking about sound quality.
My experience Yamaha Vs Onkyo.
I have Yamaha rx-v1800 few years old, I decided to upgrade and I got myself Onkyo TX-NR676e, 2 year old Atmos, 4k, WiFi and all the juice you will expect this days.
And I am disappointed. Maybe Onkyo is better than new Yamaha- I haven't tested yet.
Older Yamaha rx-v1800 crushes Onkyo tx-nr676 when it comes to:
Sound both surround (no atmos)and stereo no question about it.
FM tuner is more accurate as well.
Subwoofer output give wider LFE range and enhance performance.
Sorry guys I am picking Yamaha 😎
Thanks for watching! We do agree that as you move up the Yamaha line, we would probably choose the Yamaha over an equivalent Onkyo - but the only way to know would be to compare them side-by-side!
@@TwoGuyzTech Yes that is true. I've had older models of Onkyo, my very first was tx-ds474, 575, and tx-sr607 if I remember good and I would say they too sounded better. I have a feeling and I am not alone in this audio section was more advanced back in the days. Well when it comes to costs all the licenses for all those features cost too. Unfortunately it have an impact on product. What do you think about more expensive models of this line. Do you have an experience ? Will more expensive ONKYO models sound better ?
i just replaced an onkyo with a yamaha aventage avr, and while i loved the onkyo, this yamaha sounds superior and more dynamic with the same 80 wpc with the same speakers, couldnt be happier..
Did Onkyo ever fix there Hdmi issue failing after about a year? In the late nineties I always bought Onkyo but have been staying away because of this issue.
It was fixed a long time ago and mine never even had that problem back when it was relevant your missing out get one
@@danemoreno88 Thanks for letting me know. Maybe I should give then a slot again. Whats this hole thing about Onkyo selling out and something that there with Klipsh now? I haven't bought a avr in years and just making sure whats all up before I drop 500 to a 1000 on a avr.
@@danemoreno88 I picked up a Marantz spent a little more then I wanted 2 but its my first one and I love it. I made sure I bought one that was made in Japan ill never by a China unit again...
USED to love Onkyo, but the company has totally lost my trust and i will never buy a onkyo product again, thank god for amazons generous return policy. After trying 3 receivers and having hdmi issues, then dealing with onkyo customer service...wow the CS reps are just plain rude and don't care!
Now i buy yamaha and also have a denon receiver (which is great)
recently i bought the yamaha tsr 700 (same as v6a) from costco (couldn't resist the $330 price) after reading all the issues people are having with it, i thought i can just return it if problems..... but after setting it up i am completely satisfied with everything no probs' at all
the front panel did take a little time to get used to but now i like it!!!
Good review. Having previously used a receiver that was twice the price and being fooled into thinking a more expensive unit was a better 'investment' (reality: they are all obsolete in 5y), I feel the 'budget' $400-500 price point is perfect for a 7.2 setup. I picked the Yammy and I like it but Onkyo looks like it has a better setup.
Thanks for watching! Yeah we're really surprised how much you get with these lower priced models. Things are always changing so it can be hard to spend a lot of money on a receiver just to not have the ability to watch a newer movie because it uses a different audio or video format! Yamaha is a great choice :)
The YPAO does distances with GREAT specificity and accuracy. Being committed to manual settings may be a preference but it's inefficient.
Thanks for watching! As we mentioned, yes, both do a good job getting the distances of the speakers right - but we still always go back and check to be sure. To us, it's more about getting the best sound quality possible over efficiency. Spending a little more time getting everything set right, in our opinion, is worth it to get the best sound quality possible.
@@TwoGuyzTech I only spoke of distance. It's easier, for me with no expensive or specific tuning tools, to tweak the outcomes of the automated process. to suit my declining hearing.
I was reading Stereophile where a specialist came in to do a final set up on a pair of speakers. The reviewer stated that the uber-mensch moved the speaker no more than a half inch and the results were very easily perceived. This is why I wen to Ohms. I don't do hobby here. I just want DECENT sound. A much lower bar to jump, compared to the low bar (though expensive) you must limbo under to get excellence in a solo sitting spot.
I am awaiting the BIG units that are to be released later this year. I have had very good reliability (The BEST ability.) with the Yammys.
i used the roon correction on my yamaha, i found i still had to tweak the settings like speaker distance, level ect, while its close, its not bang on..
@@anthonycyr9657 When it comes to an adjustment of an inch or so. I agree. Since I went with omni-directional speakers, most of this is unimportant (to me) other than some general room corrections.
I have the Marantz SR5015 and for movies it's just not that great to me. It's good but I'm not in love with it. Gonna swap it for the onkyo tx-rz50 coming out. I heard that is a beast and only 100 bucks more for an extra 20 watt per channel! I'm thinking this will be the best bang for the buck plus, is THX Certified and they have high standards. Your thoughts on what I'm gonna do for a 5.2.2 setup using B&W floor and center speakers along with bookshelf for the rears.
Does the Onkyo have Alexa support? I am wanting to upgrade, but voice assistant/smart integration compatibility is going to be probably the main reason to upgrade; if it was just sound, I'd probably still go vintage or stick with what I have. I want to be able to do automations so I don't have to control everything individually.
Great video thank you. You mentioned not Using Room correction software. Would that include one coming from anthem receivers?
Thank you very much for watching & that's a great question! While we personally haven't had a chance to try out Anthem Room Correction, we have heard that the microphones and software are great quality and we've heard a lot of success stories from a lot of people. Hopefully we get to play around with these higher end room correction solutions in the future! With these entry-level models like the Yamaha and the Onkyo, you unfortunately don't get as good of a microphone which is the biggest factor as we mentioned in the video.
@@TwoGuyzTech Have you had a chance to audition the NAD778? Thoughts? Ty
Can you please tell us all.... Does the Yamaha have a "dedicated/real" parametric EQ like my old RXV-667 does????
I so need that feature to fine tune it my way.
Thanks guys!! & Keep going strong!! :)
Thanks for watching! In the RX-V6A's setup interface, there should be a set of menus (Speaker > Equalizer > EQ Select) where you can enter the GEQ manual equalizer similar to what you have on the 667! Hope this helps :)
@@TwoGuyzTech ok, thanks!!
Why its so cheap to buy in the US, while here in Europe its double priced? Love to have both of them, great comparison/review
Thanks for watching! Unfortunately we're not sure why these units are so much more expensive in Europe. Perhaps it has something to do with regulation? EU might have stricter limits on RF emissions etc. or maybe even the availability of 240V European models with euro plugs vs 120V NA models with US plugs.
@@TwoGuyzTech I'll tell you, sort of, how it works in Canada. Maybe it can apply to Europe, as well.Part of it is what they call "the cost of doing business in Canada", which is higher taxes, higher wages, more regulation... a lot of factors. While, there's SOMETHING to that, a lot of the discrepancies we see here come down to ONE thing-different national distributors. If a company has a common North American distributor (Apple and Epson are two that come to mind), the price difference is negligible, often being close to zero, once you do the currency conversion. BUT, if there's a separate Canadian distributor, then you will get taken to the wood shed, and they will contractually block the U.S. distributor from making its products available to ship to Canada from a U.S. retail outlet. Panasonic is one of the worst examples of this. I was looking at buying a Panasonic HT projector a while back, and, after the conversion, it was more than twice the price as the U.S. retailers. I called Panasonic Canada, and found an honest salesperson. I asked her to explain what was going on, and she said, that, basically, for no reason, Panasonic was considered a premium brand in Canada, even though it was more middle-of-the-road in the States, and that they priced it that high because they could get away with it. It's a combination of distributors having absolute control, and not enough retail options here. You can find deals, occasionally (I know of one U.S. online retailer who will ship Sony products at U.S. prices to Canada, for example) or you can drive to the States if you live close enough to a border town, and hope you get a duty-friendly assessment on the way back, but we're far more limited in the options we have than in the States.
I hope that helps a little.
@@EmotionallyExhausted I so hear you man... I watched "Marketplace" few yrs. ago about Canadian pricing as opposed to US..
The answer by the Canadian retailer's association, was because the market is healthy enough to basically gouge us Canadians!!
Pisses me off severely!!!
Blood sucking industries...
We need a bit of "socialism" in our country so we don't become corporate sheep... getting constantly "FLEECED!!!"
Dude, imagine for us in latinamerica, its like 3 or 4 times more expensive in some countries 😂
Had the Onkyo but the HDMI ports went out so thinking I'm going to switch and try out the Yamaha
The most important features to me is how they handle a Zone 2 and which has the better iPhone app. I have wired speakers to an outdoor patio and want the receiver that lets me stream music to Zone 2 while movies on Zone 1
Onkyo has an AB amp. Full discreet output . Yamaha ??? Opening the receiver and showing the components inside would have been nice . See which has better or larger caps , better heat sink plates or soldering job or whatever .
Thanks for watching! Through some research, we did discover that Yamaha does have Class A/B amps in the RX-V6A, but we're not sure about the output stage. We would have loved to take these units apart/take the covers off, but, because we were planning on returning at least one of them, unfortunately we weren't able to!
And the DACs !
just found your channel. really enjoy your reviews. subscribed and liked
Awesome, thank you very much!
Hey guys, I am new in this topic and I have a doubt, I hope some of you could help me.
What's the difference between connecting my tv to my av receiver with an EARC connection between using the 2.1 hdmi port directly to the receiver? My tv is an LG C1 oled, it has Dolby Atmos an EARC Port.
Thanks in advanced guys, and thanks for the content.
Yamaha of course
both are excellent products. I have Yamaha receiver and Onkyo CD player.
I need a receiver with pre-outs for the front mains as I use a seperate amplifier for that pair. It *sounds* like the Onkyo zone 2 pre-outs can be used for that. Can anyone confirm?
I have an Onkyo and a Yamaha. The Onkyo is 10 years old and is in my dedicated home theater and the Yamaha is the RX-V4A that is in a more casual viewing environment. I like them both. The plan is to replace the Onkyo with a 4k receiver a couple of steps up from these entry level AVRs. The bad news is I'm conflicted on these brands. The good news is I think whichever I choose, I'll be in good shape.
Along with a new receiver, I need to get a 4k projector. We have a 65" 4k TV, but my wife prefers the look of front projection. She finds it to be a more movie like presentation. 4k projectors is an whole other ball of wax and unfortunately I would like to go with true 4k and it is out of my price range.
I am pretty sure that Onkyo is no more. Crutchfeild was supposed to have one on their website today. They don't. Now
they say on back order don't know when they will get one.
What about the Burr Brown DAC in the Yamaha that you were impressed with in the Yamaha review?
Time you guys do a new battle the onkyo has been updated since then. The TSR 700 is back online at Costco. I order the Onkyo at Costco yesterday. Literally lasted 20 minutes on the website and then was gone.
All of you are forgetting the enormous detail that Yamaha will be more future compatible since its 2.1 HDMI. He even said that the visuals are better on the Yamaha. You will get better sound and visual quality especially if you have a PS5 or Xbox Series X.
I used to have Yamaha moved to Marantz and I stick with brand.
What's with these built-in displays made up of blue dots you can count? They look exactly the same as 40 years ago when I was interested in this stuff. It does not look bad to me because it reminds me of my glory days. I am puzzled though that people put up with them today.
Great job explaining your position on room correction!
Glad you think so!! Thanks for watching! 😀
Has Onkyo fixed their issues with their HDMI boards? Had one 12 years ago and it died in less than a year with a dead HDMI board. It was a major known issue back then.
I got a really nice deal on an Onkyo 5.2 receiver that has the option of using the surround channels for ATMOS output. Have you ever reviewed anything like that? I didn't buy it for that reason, because I really just wanted a solid entry-level receiver for Dolby 5.1, and it was just a super-value. The ATMOS option was just a weird little perk. I'm just wondering if it's worth it to add a couple of ceiling speakers to watch the occasional ATMOS movie in 3.1.2, especially when I'll have to unplug the surround. Thanks.
Thanks for watching and that's really neat! Unfortunately we haven't reviewed a receiver like that but it is a really cool idea! We'd say it's probably worth playing around with just out of plain curiosity!! 😀
do you have any opinions or guesses on which receiver will be the more reliable one?
we have the tx-nr686,, configured in 2 channel only, driving a pair of polk audio s20's, and hooked to an onkyo 6 cd player
No eARC meant the Onkyo was a no go for me
Thanks for watching! That's certainly a big sticking point and a great example of getting the right receiver for your use case. The Yamaha is a fantastic receiver with eARC at this price!
@@TwoGuyzTech I'm glad it has it, I have a LG OLED c9 and I'm using that for my switching. I tried connecting my 4k cable box to the TSR 700 but about 1/3 of the time it had issues passing video to the TV- I'd get white snow or the picture would be stretched extra wide. So my 4k fire stick and my cable box go directly to the LG. That and the TVs internal streaming apps have a better picture than xfinitys apps so eARC was pretty much a requirement for me. Good video btw
@chris diesenbruch: I just found out that ONKYO is releasing a new line of receivers that should have it all - eARC, 8k, hdimi 2.1, etc. I think they are coming this summer. I'm going to watch for those.
When I've made an audio comparison, I find the Onkyo receiver has a bit more oomph. I found it has a bit deeper and tighter bass than it's near same price competition. You might think it's because I currently own one, and that answer would be, no. I own a Denon 5.1 receiver which isn't a current model. I had a Sony STR-1080DN, but it was damaged in an electrical storm. I believe to my ear, the Onkyo (a more expensive model than that which was reviewed here), sounded better to my ear.
I always loved the older Onkyo gear not so much the newer stuff. isn't there a rumor going around that Onkyo is in some financial trouble?
Where are you finding these for 400?? I only see them for 649 in Florida.
Thanks for these detailed reviews! I decided to buy the Onkyo based on your review because the sound clarity and bass response are my biggest concerns. After using a mid-level Yamaha Dolby Digital/DTS receiver for the last 18+ years and going through 3 different center channel speakers, AR, Polk, and Paradigm, it always seemed like the dialogue wasn’t crisp. While I could independently increase the volume of the center channel, the inability to change the tone really hurt the overall experience. The new Klipsch center channel with aluminum tweeters definitely helped, but not as much as I had hoped. I’m looking forward to setting up the new system!
Thank you very much for watching! The Onkyo is a great choice. The added tone control should definitely help you out with the treble in your center channel. Dialogue was great through the Onkyo :)
Over 18 years, wow, why you bought it, VCR movies? Phono music?
now you have to study codecs, this is the future!
Crips, that's because u used bad sources!
@@lucasrem Nope, sorry, try again troll. The Yamaha was hindered by the lack of tone control on the center channel. Same sources, same speakers, but very different sound quality from the two receivers.
I like yamaha sound as yamaha is very transparent and clean sounding with sparkling female vocals
Yamaha has always been crystal clear to my ears.
Thanks for watching! 😀
Just looking at the back it seems the Yamaha does not have am/fm capability, I may be in the minority but that's a deal breaker for me. Did I miss it?
Thanks for watching! Thankfully both of them have AM and FM functionality - check the footage at 1:38 - separate antenna hookups for both :) Hope this helps!
Cooler Onkyo. Ich besitze allerdings seid mehr als zwei Jahren den Onkyo tx nr696. Tolles Gerät. Aber ich hab mich lieber zu einem guten 5.1 zurück bewegt und der Onkyo steht jetzt im Rack des Schlafzimmer's geparkt.
Er kommt auch trotz Dolby Atmos und der HD Tonformate sowie dem ganzen anderen vermurksten Krempel darin, (den keiner braucht), an meinen marantz sr14 heran.
Ich habe lieber nen richtig guten alten Boliden mit super guter Endstufensektionen ( Sanken Transistoren) und richtig guten Klang als, ein Haufen Kanäle mit vielen Lautsprechern welche das Netzteil nicht in der Lage ist anständige zu versorgen. Bzw. die meißte Energie in Features geht, welche für mich persönlich garnix in einem AVR zu suchen haben. Ein AVR soll für mein dafür halten nur eines so richtig gut können. Und das ist: Mich mit spektakulärem supergut klingendem Filmton zu versorgen und zu begeistern. Das schaffen meinem Geschmack nach diese Geräte nicht wirklich. Spotify, Internet mit Radio etc. Was soll der Misst in den Geräten.
Was sollen in diesen Geräten Endstufen Transistoren welche mit 170 Watt pro arbeiten können wenn es das Netzteil garnicht bereit stellt. Dafür verbraucht der Grafic Chip und der Internet Krempel so viel verbrät, dass für die Endstufen nur noch 25 Watt pro Kanal übrig bleiben.
Na ja. Man kann damit Filme schauen und hören. Aber für meienen Geschmack keine hohe Qualität beim Ton erwarten.
Qualitativ hochwertig zu hörender Ton geht nun einmal anders .;-)
Ist ein tolles Video und ein interessanter Vergleich unter den Geräten.
Thanks for watching! Yep we tend to agree here. It does seem like the lower end receiver segment is moving toward packing as many features as possible into these boxes which might come at the expense of sound quality. They have enough muscle for less efficient speakers but for sure in our theater we prefer separate amps and processor that just focuses on reproducing the source signal as cleanly as possible. We appreciate the kind words :)
Thank you for this Great video, I must disagree about final decision about sound department. In my case before buying the TSR-700 I looked for two key factors, PS5 2.1 HDMI 4K/120, 8K/60 compatibility and second Hi-Res/Audio where I see a clear winner since Yamaha is using a Texas Instruments DACs includes the 384 kHz / 32-bit BB PCM5102A, a state-of-the-art DAC designed for Hi Res more expensive AV systems. Finally, I can shared my own experience with a former RX-V571 that was retired after 12 years in service without a flaw on any department and I was amazed this system came with a DAC Burr Brown 24-bit/192kHz on early 2010´s that uses the same bit same rate that you can find on a recent Marantz NR1711. In conclusion, I consider Yamaha´s background on music industry back up the high fidelity sound on Yamahas AV compared to Onkyo´s that they are more focus on movies experience. I have set my Yamaha TSR-700 with 7.1 KEF speakers system and music really comes back to life. Cheers!
I’m also looking into this Yamaha receiver. Have they issued the firmware update to allow 4K/120 hz? Thanks!!
@@MrBulletpoint It looks TSR-700 AV manufactured in 2022 come with the updated board, thus there no issue running 4K/120 hz.
Any word on the Onkyo TX‑NR6050 available at Costco now for $499?
Do these systems require an internet connection to work, or do they automatically transmit wirelessly? I'd rather not have things hooked up to the internet that I don't need to have.
Thanks for watching! Nope these do not require an internet connection to work. If you want to use them to stream music from an online service, we would recommend simply connecting a streaming box over HDMI or RCA if you have that option.
GREAT JOB MAN!!!
Thank you so much!!
Sanzui sounds is the best if comparison is the name of the game. I was sleeping upper stair when i woke listening to a strange voice that i thought my mother had a guest speaking to her. Its a fine speech and it can be confused as a live speaker on stage. So i stare down stair and found no one except my mother listening to her sanzui.
I just got an Onkyo tx-sr494 it is a refurbished model got for 299.
Unfortunately I think I'm having problems with it.
I've had two Onkyos and I think you made the right decision.
Despite the updated features of the newer entry level receivers now...I'd still rather stick to my older mid/high end Integra DTR 8.8 receiver (around $2,400 new)...I don't own anything above 1080p resolution, so none of those features really matter to me.
@@danc2779 Lol 😂 😂