Kyle asked me to take a peak at this and add any additional info worth noting: - Up to 7 V3 Supercharger cabinets can be linked in a radial configuration with one main cabinet serving as Star Center (controller for the bus) - Pro tip for counting V3 stalls - just count the cabinets and multiply by 4 😉 (occasionally Tesla will do less than 4 posts per cabinet - 3 is typical in Europe - but it will get you close enough) - Notice that the accessible stall has the ADA symbol but none of the text that makes it enforceable as an ADA placard-only stall - Additional cabinets to the same amount of stalls would be a great way for Tesla to add conversion capacity - I share your concern about non-Tesla EVs and their more aggressive charge curves compared to Teslas - I agree with your assumption that V3 cabinets / posts can be retrofitted / upgraded to support 1000V output Semi Charger: - 800A AC input cabinet indicates a max connection of 664kW, but per NEC 625.42, can only operate at 640A or approximately 531kW (not factoring for power factor, voltage sag, etc) HOWEVER, the label on the cam lock connection box indicates 400A is available for the connection - 800A would require a second set of cam locks - Tesla is using an isolation transformer to step the 480/277V delta 3P grid connection down to 360Y208V 3P likely due to the lack of grounding for the portable setup - 360V is not a common AC voltage range, so this is fairly odd (I'm not an expert on industrial applications so someone please correct me if this is wrong) - This cabinet is either heavily modified or entirely unique from typical V3 cabinets with a different input voltage range, output rating and power conversion capability - There is no DC bus capability on this cabinet - Typical V3 cabinets are 360-528V input intended to be used on 380/400/415/440/480V grid connection with either 430A (350kVA version) or 465A (387kVA version) max continuous current typically on a 600A circuit - the output is less when operating at below 480V input (typical in Europe / ROW) which is why they are typically 3 posts per cabinet vs NA typical of 4 - I do not think this Semi cabinet is indicative of V4 cabinets but may have some shared elements -V4 post makes Kyle look short and you know it's hot when Kyle isn't wearing a hoodie 😅 I have a deep dive of Tesla's V3 Supercharger architecture here: ua-cam.com/video/MYJkMrv6o0o/v-deo.html
What would your guess be at all those solar panels in relation to how many teslas can charge per day? 1 may be 2 M3 from 10% -> 80%? Whatever it is, it’s totally worth it as it’s providing shade and if my guess is right, it’s still 730 cars/year…so they would eventually pay for themselves.
Another vote for more in-depth site visits like this. It would be great to see canopies like this at Buc-ee’s, Meijer, Wawa, and Sheetz Supercharger sites.
Good stuffs happening in the charging space. Extremely needed for EV highway travelling. Of course there are extremist in EV and anti-EV but sane people will check practicality and economics. We are still in early phase but rapidly growing. Kudos to everyone involved: companies like Tesla, EA, Volta, Chargepoint etc; early adopters and influences like OOS team, Branden Flasch, Bjørn Nyland etc.
Agreed. They’re expensive initially but worth it after a handful of years. Cleaner energy. and as you mentioned, the shade is huge in hotter areas to protect people and lower car temperatures
I use this station on my way from Vegas to San Diego whenever I take my Ioniq 5 on that road trip. It’s great. Good charging experiences, covered from the sun, ad well as a Convenience store, restrooms, and a fast food joint.
@@lopezb I usually just get a coffee and play with my phone in the cool AC for 15 minutes or so in the car. Especially in the summer when it’s 112 out.
My primary stopping location when going to Vegas. The original EA 350kw chargers at that location are the ones that fried my Rivian. But, they've since been replaced with the new versions and no problems since. Kettleman City, was just at a couple of weeks ago. They have two separate locations on each side of the street. Didn't count the chargers, but both are huge locations, so probably close to 100 between the two locations almost directly across the street from each other.
I was there a few weeks ago. I counted only one of the two sites, but they had 39 or 40 and also were covered by a canopy of solar panels. They also had an air conditioned lounge with an espresso bar! Cool!
After being with my husband who’s a diehard car guy (& loves EVs), I’m really into watching info about charging stations, car trips & technology! ICE cars are boring!
Thanks for going out in the heat to share with us about this incredible charging site. Wonder why there are no covers to shield the batteries from the blazing sun
Surprised and dissapointed that the site doesn't seem to have ANY provision for PULL THROUGH CHARGING for vehicles pulling trailers, especially with the Cybertruck coming! The temp/hacky pull through even for the Megacharger is funny too. How are they not thinking of PULL THROUGH YET ON NEW INSTALLATIONS?!
Good question. BUT look at all the available land surrounding that site. Plenty of space for dedicated pull-through Semi charging AND a bunch of solar. Assuming Tesla owns some of it.
They are pull through but you would be taking up two spots and maybe blocking a bit Devoting a lot of space to pull through only probably doesn't make sense right now.
Solar works well with the battery. Of course they can feed it back to the grid and just compensate utility power bill, but they can charge the batteries when sun is shining and then discharge when it is not. I think this is what you have heard - inverter was busy charging the battery. And since in summer you have at least 12 hours of insolation, even 60kW of panels gives you 720kWh, and they have many such canopies, this gives us few megawatt*hour per day. Solar modules are cheap BTW, battery and inverter capable of working with the battery are expensive. They could have installed on-grid inverter and send excess energy to the grid and be done, but then grid had to deal with it (which is probably not a big deal as demand for a/c must be high during hot period), and they went way farther and invested into battery which can store excess energy.
I hope they update the gas station it's connected to. We skip that location on our frequent trips out from Vegas to Cali because the bathrooms there are disgusting, smelly and dirty and neither I nor my kids want to use them, so we always opt to pass there and continue to the Barstow superchargers by the outlet mall. Bathrooms are much cleaner and they're doing an expansion to the v3 superchargers there as well.
Not only do those solar panel covers help with comfort, they will really save energy for folks running AC. Our Tesla BAKES in the sun with that massive sunroof. Parking in the shade makes a huge difference.
Amazing progress! This is how the vertical integration and the energy sector from Tesla are paying off now. All other charging networks need to purchase chargers very expensive despite not having any mega packs. Tesla is now collecting the benefits from the huge investment in the past, which no one believed it was even possible 😉.
56 v3 plus the the 40 v2 already in place but you failed to mention they have pulled a permit less than one mile northeast for for another 32 (v4?) plus a restaurant. 128 total for Baker.
I think the opportunity here is to locate big EV charging stations like this at key points between heavily traveled routes, like LA to Las Vegas. A hundred stations like this, placed strategically around the country would go a long way towards making long distance EV travel more inviting.
I am assuming no Magic Docks on the tesla charging stations here, perhaps not needed because of the EA chargers. I would like to see more of these videos, I love it. And keep us posted if you spot any magic-dock capable Tesla chargers. I drive a Bolt EUV and some day, a magic-dock Tesla charger might just save me if I come close to running out of juice, with no other nearby options!
Kyle u went in deep on th future tytyty for including transformer name plate. EPIC!!! Including the no brainer of shade providing SOLAR ARRAY FILLING BATTERIES
When I was towing a U-Haul 6x12 foot trailer with my Tesla Model X I came away with some needed improvements. 1. More sites need to include a space for EV's with trailers. So far I know of two SuperCharging locations; Morongo Trail in Cabazon, CA with 3 pull through slots and Indio, CA with one. The Baker SuperCharger doesn't really count as the chargers are 2 deep, where a car may be in front. Also the turn to get into the charger is tight. I did change at the Foothill Pasadena, CA SuperCharger but I took up three slots. One can change at the Disabled parking slots but others non-disabled people were using them. 2. The route planners should say if there are available slots for trailers. 3. Trailer rental companies like U-Haul need to make their equipment easy to disconnect. For example include a trailer jack. I would like to see you include this info in your reviews of new changing locations. With the new trucks coming this info is really needed.
Been there, charged there many-a-time. The last time I saw a Kia EV6, a Rivian R1T, and a Mustang Mach-E GT charging from the EA units. If Tesla continues to install these Megachargers, then Hyundai should be able to transition to NACS and use them. My one complaint about the Baker site? That they charge 3 times the usual price for a small ice-cream cone. Tsk. Now… visit the new Barstow Supercharger. Immense!
It’s amazing to see what’s going on in the US and that site you are visiting - amazing 😮😊🎉 today I’m the owner of a Megane E- Tech and we have just been on vacation from Denmark to Germany and we were actually only charging on Tesla Superchargers 😊 it works, it’s easy to use. The app works and also so easy to use - again amazing 🤩 🎉🎉😊
Great video Kyle! What an awesome and interesting charging site. Super job showing an early megacharger. Maybe the first ever built with the MC1, or MegaCharger1, label. I do wish you had captured a better image of the rating plaque though.
I have very similar impressions on how the V3 hardware works. On the 880-1000V interconnect, I think the voltage is dependent on the input voltage of the 3-phase. The input can be 380/300/415/440/480V 3-phase. In the US, we have 480V 3-phase. In mainland Europe it is 380V and 415V. At 380V that gives only 283KW. At 415V that gives only 309KW. A lot less then the 357KW in the US for 480V. Sharing only 283KW between 4 chargers would be pretty slow. To compensate for the lower voltage, Tesla installs 3 output V3 superchargers in Europe.
Since we are nerding: New V3 stations in Norway usually get a separate 480 V supply. They are such a big consumer that they warrant their own transformer station taking the power from much higher voltage transmission lines anyway. So it is a non-standard 480 V 50 Hz. I don't know how often they do that in the rest of Europe.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718The voltage in Norway for industrial sites and new residential area is 400V three phase TN. Not 480V. A 480V has 277V between a phase and neutral, while 400V has 230V. It is also possible for an industrial consumer to connect to the 22kV local distribution net, owning their own transformers...
Tesla must still be upping the DC voltage with other equipment. If you simply put the 480V 3 phase AC power and converted to DC you would be at about 340V. It does make sense that the one cabinet for 3 stalls in Europe is what they use since the incoming AC power is lower though. There's still more going on and this is likely to just share the equipment easily and not have completely different parts.
@whattheschmidt As your napkin math shows, the power electronics in the superchargers is a bit more clever than that. But as I understand it, the modules are made for 480 V, so if they absolutely must power them with a lower voltage, a solution is actually to start by stepping the voltage up again. It is more efficient to go directly from, say, 22 kV.
That megapack is impressive. They just installed 68 of them at GigaTexas. Can’t wait to see both of their megapack factories ramped up and Tesla is building 20,000 a year.
Two new Tesla charger stations just went in last week in Vegas one at Red Rock resort in Summerlin and the other at the south premium outlet mall at Las Vegas Blvd. and Warm Springs road.
Yeah, I tend to full charge in buckeye/Indio and drive conservatively to make it between them. Reliable fast charging in Quartzite would shave 30 minutes off my trip.
This is awesome! I no longer have my '14 LEAF SL (totaled last September when it was broadsided by an idiot turning left when they shouldn't have), but my former employer (I retired) went from having four L2 chargers to 12 during the 3 years that I was working/EV owner. Infrastructure is the true limiting factor of EV use/acceptance. This is incredible. Noted the litter on the ground... It's a shame that people can't pick up after themselves!
The 40 stalls Tesla 150 kW supercharger at this location often got throttled down to only 72 kW when they're busy. 72 kW takes a long time, so I just have to charge enough to get to the next station. It happened to me twice, so I will not be stopping here again until the V3 opens up.
Yes, Busy V2 is like that. 150 kW split between two cars. It is really awkward coming in to a V2 station where every second dispenser has a car at it. Who will I choose to annoy by parking next to? Some stations even have the pairs of chargers distributed seemingly at random, so watch the dispenser numbers. V3 also gets throttled, but as shown in the video, the sharing is much wider, so you can't easily point at the one that is slowing you down.
@geirmyrvagnes8718 I'm aware of the split at the V2 stations. Both times, I tried to unplug n moved to a different stall without another car next to me, but I still only get 72 kW, so you're right about the pairing probably being distributed at random. I even walked around asking other drivers that didn't have a car next to them or in front of them, which they confirmed they only get 72 kW. Watching this video certainly educate me on the fact that V3 does throttle as well, but it's still much faster even when all the stalls are full in my experience. That's probably bc each car takes in the juice at different charge rates as it gradually slows down.
Utah transit authority (UTA) has a new maintenance facility in salt lake with new BEB charging stations, this would be a cool EV video to go over ABB's chargers they have their, or the pantographs UTA has installed around Utah.
With the building of Bright Line West station in Las Vegas, they need a 50+ charger network built as part of the station. Part of the service on Bright Line East they do pick up and drop off for passengers in model 3/Ys so it makes sense... but they could have an issue with the Taxicab Authority and also the Nevada Transportation Authority which runs the limousine licencing
I Guess each shed is a 100kwp installation. Not sure but : 20 rows, 12 panels a row and 450wp panel. = 108000 wp of 108kwp. Inverter is probaly a HUAWEI SUN 2000 100KTL. so 5 of 6 sheds => 500 or 600kw installation total. Its my living monitoring pv i stallations ( Belgium). A 500kw installation has 500MW yearly production. But is dessert 2 remarks : higher temp = more prod losses. 2nd ) Dust covering the panels.
Ty Kyle, nice video as usual. I wish since you are in the desert, you can see how pitiful the state of dc charging is in the deserts of New Mexico. I hope you can find out if Tesla is planning a dc fast charging station in Roswell, NM. After all it will be an out of specs, "out of this world" force that will make the travel through Roswell, for many people like me so much easier, free of range anxiety. I recall in 1947, they allegedly clocked a faster than light speed charger performance through Roswell...!!!
Kyle on your way back from California stop at Red Rock Casino in Vegas, there’s a brand new supercharging station going in with 12, 250Kw charging. You can get a quick video before it opens
Neeeerrrrrdddddd!!!! It’s awesome seeing somebody so excited over new tech. (Which I don’t mostly understand) But yeah. I’ll watch everything to learn little bits here and there. Real question is, how do we convert our sedans/SUVs to use the Tesla semi charger. Hahaha Keep’em coming!
I drive through here a few times a year when I make the drive from San Diego, CA to Fort Collins, CO in my 3 Standard Range. Cool town aesthetically but not temperature wise lol. Definitely really nice chargers.
Yes to more charge center reviews & data. Also was at the Baker loc. about a month ago and the first row of V3 stalls was operational (closest to the store/eatery - about where that V4 was sitting. Great spot to charge, just way overpriced for snacks / drinks. :) We take the wife's GV60 to the other side of the same lot. Both decent charge rates for their respective cabinetry. TY for all the great data!
This blows my Australian mind. Our biggest supercharger site here has 12 stalls. Many only have 3. The biggest in the works (pending permits) will be 20. Outside of the supercharger network, I don't think I've seen more than 4 stalls at a DC charging site. EV sales have begun to spike up here in the last 12 months, so we are in for a world of pain until we see some sites with a decent number of stalls. Queueing is a problem almost always.
That's funny. I should have submitted a bad rate my charge for Baker EA charger. It wouldn't activate on one of the chargers and had to move to another station with our Mach E. Same time frame as when you were there -2 weeks ago in mid-July 2023.
The electronics nerd in me gravitates toward the metering or power supply section of a charge station. This one would be neat to see if the meter is spinning forward or backward.
I'm skeptical that Tesla would upgrade to 1000V capability anytime soon, even with the CT incoming. It'll charge perfectly fine on all existing infrastructure, none of their other cars need it. So what's the rush from their POV? To help HMG, Porshce/Audi and Lucid? Nah...
10:20 Seems like they could have installed even more solar by connecting the canopies. I guess the modular design makes that more difficult than it sounds.
It's a strange voltage indeed, you would expect a grid voltage from anywhere in the world. But it's very close to the 400/230Y used in Europe, some countries use 230∆ btw. And at these power levels you can probably get any voltage you want.
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112°F, or almost 45°C in 21st Century units, is a bit warm. I feel your pain! Thanks for suffering so that we don't have to.
Thankyou fir sharing
Surprised Kyle is not wearing a hoodie. 😛
He would have to be really tuff to do that at 112 ferenheight
It’s hotter than Satan’s 🥜
I seen a guy here in Kentucky, with one on today. People are weird these days, it was 94 degrees today.......
Try a whole skiing outfit in NY on a day where the Real Feel was 110
Surprised to not see Kyle with a Starbucks in that warm weather.
Kyle asked me to take a peak at this and add any additional info worth noting:
- Up to 7 V3 Supercharger cabinets can be linked in a radial configuration with one main cabinet serving as Star Center (controller for the bus)
- Pro tip for counting V3 stalls - just count the cabinets and multiply by 4 😉 (occasionally Tesla will do less than 4 posts per cabinet - 3 is typical in Europe - but it will get you close enough)
- Notice that the accessible stall has the ADA symbol but none of the text that makes it enforceable as an ADA placard-only stall
- Additional cabinets to the same amount of stalls would be a great way for Tesla to add conversion capacity - I share your concern about non-Tesla EVs and their more aggressive charge curves compared to Teslas
- I agree with your assumption that V3 cabinets / posts can be retrofitted / upgraded to support 1000V output
Semi Charger:
- 800A AC input cabinet indicates a max connection of 664kW, but per NEC 625.42, can only operate at 640A or approximately 531kW (not factoring for power factor, voltage sag, etc)
HOWEVER, the label on the cam lock connection box indicates 400A is available for the connection - 800A would require a second set of cam locks
- Tesla is using an isolation transformer to step the 480/277V delta 3P grid connection down to 360Y208V 3P likely due to the lack of grounding for the portable setup
- 360V is not a common AC voltage range, so this is fairly odd (I'm not an expert on industrial applications so someone please correct me if this is wrong)
- This cabinet is either heavily modified or entirely unique from typical V3 cabinets with a different input voltage range, output rating and power conversion capability
- There is no DC bus capability on this cabinet
- Typical V3 cabinets are 360-528V input intended to be used on 380/400/415/440/480V grid connection with either 430A (350kVA version) or 465A (387kVA version) max continuous current typically on a 600A circuit - the output is less when operating at below 480V input (typical in Europe / ROW) which is why they are typically 3 posts per cabinet vs NA typical of 4
- I do not think this Semi cabinet is indicative of V4 cabinets but may have some shared elements
-V4 post makes Kyle look short and you know it's hot when Kyle isn't wearing a hoodie 😅
I have a deep dive of Tesla's V3 Supercharger architecture here: ua-cam.com/video/MYJkMrv6o0o/v-deo.html
Thank you, as always, for your knowledge!
I feel... informed.
What would your guess be at all those solar panels in relation to how many teslas can charge per day? 1 may be 2 M3 from 10% -> 80%? Whatever it is, it’s totally worth it as it’s providing shade and if my guess is right, it’s still 730 cars/year…so they would eventually pay for themselves.
@@fpartidafpartida Solar at this scale for a DCFC installation is far less about offsetting the kWh and far more about offsetting demand charges
Thanks Branden for your insight and detailed info. Very informative.
I imagine 100 years ago some pre-UA-cam Kyle going to a Shell gas station and talking for half an hour how amazing the dispenser are.
Another vote for more in-depth site visits like this. It would be great to see canopies like this at Buc-ee’s, Meijer, Wawa, and Sheetz Supercharger sites.
Fully agree. Superchargers are at almost all Wawa locations within a 30 minute radius from me and if they all had solar that would be epic!
Sunshine transportation !!!! Using Gods first spoken words to carry th kids to grammas house
The solar canopies are brilliant to provide shade and energy! I wish more supercharger locations were designed like this!
This is one hell of a charging station! Love to see these massive sites!
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Its a diesel generator powering that charging station.
@@xraylifeand?
Charging an ev of a generator has way smaller of a carbon footprint than you think
@@MrTyler0 Its definitely the way to go - diesel powering electric cars.
Good stuffs happening in the charging space. Extremely needed for EV highway travelling. Of course there are extremist in EV and anti-EV but sane people will check practicality and economics. We are still in early phase but rapidly growing. Kudos to everyone involved: companies like Tesla, EA, Volta, Chargepoint etc; early adopters and influences like OOS team, Branden Flasch, Bjørn Nyland etc.
I think that all chargers should have solar canopies because it provides shade and power.
Agreed. They’re expensive initially but worth it after a handful of years. Cleaner energy. and as you mentioned, the shade is huge in hotter areas to protect people and lower car temperatures
Lol!!!
Also in colder climates they can provide shelter from rain and snow, at least while charging.
Keetlman is over 100 charging stalls now. I was there recently and they all work too. Along with truck trailer accesible stalls too.
I use this station on my way from Vegas to San Diego whenever I take my Ioniq 5 on that road trip. It’s great. Good charging experiences, covered from the sun, ad well as a Convenience store, restrooms, and a fast food joint.
I wondered about the store and restrooms- not shown in the video! And no one else outside. Maybe most folks just
sit in their car and wait?
@@lopezb I usually just get a coffee and play with my phone in the cool AC for 15 minutes or so in the car. Especially in the summer when it’s 112 out.
@@Bum_Hip :)
Lol at fast food, it's unhealthy.
@@JakeRichardsong LOL @ you feeling the need to tell anyone that as if it is new information.
That travel center sucks! I wish they installed more in the travel center just down the road. Bigger and variety of food, snacks, and coffee.
My primary stopping location when going to Vegas. The original EA 350kw chargers at that location are the ones that fried my Rivian. But, they've since been replaced with the new versions and no problems since.
Kettleman City, was just at a couple of weeks ago. They have two separate locations on each side of the street. Didn't count the chargers, but both are huge locations, so probably close to 100 between the two locations almost directly across the street from each other.
I was there a few weeks ago. I counted only one of the two sites, but they had 39 or 40 and also were covered by a canopy of solar panels. They also had an air conditioned lounge with an espresso bar! Cool!
Never thought i would be so fascinated by a video about chargers but man very cool vid.
After being with my husband who’s a diehard car guy (& loves EVs), I’m really into watching info about charging stations, car trips & technology! ICE cars are boring!
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Was great meeting you at Tesla Takeover! Also loved watching this video !! What an epic charging station (wish I got to see it in person).
12:33 those aren’t Megapacks🤨That’s the 4000 A panels which contain the 480 V switchgear.
Great news! I wish there were majic docks at that location for Rivian Trucks. Did you see any magic docks there yet?
Thanks for going out in the heat to share with us about this incredible charging site. Wonder why there are no covers to shield the batteries from the blazing sun
Great video, very informative. Did you give the Crow @9:20 a drink? He looked thirsty.
Surprised and dissapointed that the site doesn't seem to have ANY provision for PULL THROUGH CHARGING for vehicles pulling trailers, especially with the Cybertruck coming! The temp/hacky pull through even for the Megacharger is funny too. How are they not thinking of PULL THROUGH YET ON NEW INSTALLATIONS?!
Good question. BUT look at all the available land surrounding that site. Plenty of space for dedicated pull-through Semi charging AND a bunch of solar. Assuming Tesla owns some of it.
They are pull through but you would be taking up two spots and maybe blocking a bit Devoting a lot of space to pull through only probably doesn't make sense right now.
Kyle we need more charging station reviews please :) Cool video
I just charged here 30 minutes ago!! 😊
Next time, could you briefly show us the amenities at the station as well? I think with EV charging, that is a big feature as well.
Solar works well with the battery. Of course they can feed it back to the grid and just compensate utility power bill, but they can charge the batteries when sun is shining and then discharge when it is not. I think this is what you have heard - inverter was busy charging the battery. And since in summer you have at least 12 hours of insolation, even 60kW of panels gives you 720kWh, and they have many such canopies, this gives us few megawatt*hour per day. Solar modules are cheap BTW, battery and inverter capable of working with the battery are expensive. They could have installed on-grid inverter and send excess energy to the grid and be done, but then grid had to deal with it (which is probably not a big deal as demand for a/c must be high during hot period), and they went way farther and invested into battery which can store excess energy.
this solar install is about 210-260kw
That's an incredible site. I just wish the ones we currently have with 8 or 12 stalls were covered like that.
Tesla is adding 56 new for a total of 96. Pretty awesome!
I hope they update the gas station it's connected to. We skip that location on our frequent trips out from Vegas to Cali because the bathrooms there are disgusting, smelly and dirty and neither I nor my kids want to use them, so we always opt to pass there and continue to the Barstow superchargers by the outlet mall. Bathrooms are much cleaner and they're doing an expansion to the v3 superchargers there as well.
Not only do those solar panel covers help with comfort, they will really save energy for folks running AC. Our Tesla BAKES in the sun with that massive sunroof. Parking in the shade makes a huge difference.
Amazing progress! This is how the vertical integration and the energy sector from Tesla are paying off now. All other charging networks need to purchase chargers very expensive despite not having any mega packs. Tesla is now collecting the benefits from the huge investment in the past, which no one believed it was even possible 😉.
Quartzite Kyle, right now they’re putting in 88 chargers and I think there’s another 36 in the same area. Southern Arizona.
Perfect way to balance grid and maximise existing electrical infrastructure. 👍🔋🌞🇦🇺
The supercharger site in Sutherlin Oregon on I-5 opened several weeks ago with 51 V3 stations.
Every state needs at least 2 stations like this
Every interstate highway needs 2 or more of these in every state.
Clearly prepping to be the leader in DCFC for ALL EV's in 2024
56 v3 plus the the 40 v2 already in place but you failed to mention they have pulled a permit less than one mile northeast for for another 32 (v4?) plus a restaurant. 128 total for Baker.
I think the opportunity here is to locate big EV charging stations like this at key points between heavily traveled routes, like LA to Las Vegas. A hundred stations like this, placed strategically around the country would go a long way towards making long distance EV travel more inviting.
I am assuming no Magic Docks on the tesla charging stations here, perhaps not needed because of the EA chargers. I would like to see more of these videos, I love it. And keep us posted if you spot any magic-dock capable Tesla chargers. I drive a Bolt EUV and some day, a magic-dock Tesla charger might just save me if I come close to running out of juice, with no other nearby options!
Kyle u went in deep on th future tytyty for including transformer name plate. EPIC!!! Including the no brainer of shade providing SOLAR ARRAY FILLING BATTERIES
Mandatory comment. Because this is amazing. And I need more. And more nerd details on how it all works.
Would love to see more awesome charging station videos! Keep being awesome!
I'm commenting below to say I love these types of videos showing the charging stations. Keep em coming!
your excitement, excites me, love your professionalism, all this knowledge you put together by yourself, man loving this, ty
When I was towing a U-Haul 6x12 foot trailer with my Tesla Model X I came away with some needed improvements.
1. More sites need to include a space for EV's with trailers. So far I know of two SuperCharging locations; Morongo Trail in Cabazon, CA with 3 pull through slots and Indio, CA with one. The Baker SuperCharger doesn't really count as the chargers are 2 deep, where a car may be in front. Also the turn to get into the charger is tight. I did change at the Foothill Pasadena, CA SuperCharger but I took up three slots. One can change at the Disabled parking slots but others non-disabled people were using them.
2. The route planners should say if there are available slots for trailers.
3. Trailer rental companies like U-Haul need to make their equipment easy to disconnect. For example include a trailer jack.
I would like to see you include this info in your reviews of new changing locations. With the new trucks coming this info is really needed.
🤣🤣 so endearing how Kyle gets so excited about batteries. Comes across as a genuinely good guy & geek. Incredibly knowledgeable.
Been there, charged there many-a-time. The last time I saw a Kia EV6, a Rivian R1T, and a Mustang Mach-E GT charging from the EA units. If Tesla continues to install these Megachargers, then Hyundai should be able to transition to NACS and use them. My one complaint about the Baker site? That they charge 3 times the usual price for a small ice-cream cone. Tsk. Now… visit the new Barstow Supercharger. Immense!
More EV site reviews, please! @12:51
It’s amazing to see what’s going on in the US and that site you are visiting - amazing 😮😊🎉 today I’m the owner of a Megane E- Tech and we have just been on vacation from Denmark to Germany and we were actually only charging on Tesla Superchargers 😊 it works, it’s easy to use. The app works and also so easy to use - again amazing 🤩 🎉🎉😊
Great video Kyle! What an awesome and interesting charging site. Super job showing an early megacharger. Maybe the first ever built with the MC1, or MegaCharger1, label. I do wish you had captured a better image of the rating plaque though.
Epic Content! Thanks. Funny someone ICED a spot while you were there😮
I have very similar impressions on how the V3 hardware works. On the 880-1000V interconnect, I think the voltage is dependent on the input voltage of the 3-phase. The input can be 380/300/415/440/480V 3-phase. In the US, we have 480V 3-phase. In mainland Europe it is 380V and 415V. At 380V that gives only 283KW. At 415V that gives only 309KW. A lot less then the 357KW in the US for 480V. Sharing only 283KW between 4 chargers would be pretty slow. To compensate for the lower voltage, Tesla installs 3 output V3 superchargers in Europe.
Since we are nerding: New V3 stations in Norway usually get a separate 480 V supply. They are such a big consumer that they warrant their own transformer station taking the power from much higher voltage transmission lines anyway. So it is a non-standard 480 V 50 Hz. I don't know how often they do that in the rest of Europe.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718The voltage in Norway for industrial sites and new residential area is 400V three phase TN. Not 480V.
A 480V has 277V between a phase and neutral, while 400V has 230V.
It is also possible for an industrial consumer to connect to the 22kV local distribution net, owning their own transformers...
Tesla must still be upping the DC voltage with other equipment. If you simply put the 480V 3 phase AC power and converted to DC you would be at about 340V. It does make sense that the one cabinet for 3 stalls in Europe is what they use since the incoming AC power is lower though. There's still more going on and this is likely to just share the equipment easily and not have completely different parts.
@whattheschmidt As your napkin math shows, the power electronics in the superchargers is a bit more clever than that. But as I understand it, the modules are made for 480 V, so if they absolutely must power them with a lower voltage, a solution is actually to start by stepping the voltage up again. It is more efficient to go directly from, say, 22 kV.
Vote to do more Charger site review. Been to this place a few times, but it sure has grown!!! Awesome for EV users.
EV is going to destoy the grid. Good luck when you have to walk.
Why aren’t they installing V4??
That megapack is impressive. They just installed 68 of them at GigaTexas. Can’t wait to see both of their megapack factories ramped up and Tesla is building 20,000 a year.
Wow! You guys are awesome! Thanks for the tour. That is a phenomenal station.......
Two new Tesla charger stations just went in last week in Vegas one at Red Rock resort in Summerlin and the other at the south premium outlet mall at Las Vegas Blvd. and Warm Springs road.
I first visited the Baker supercharger a few years ago and there were just 10 stations. Now the supercharger is almost bigger than the town.
We need something like this for CCS drivers in Quartzsite, AZ
Yeah, I tend to full charge in buckeye/Indio and drive conservatively to make it between them. Reliable fast charging in Quartzite would shave 30 minutes off my trip.
Love the charger reviews, I see Tesla is looking to install a version 4 in Grand Forks, BC which would be the first in Canada!
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This is awesome! I no longer have my '14 LEAF SL (totaled last September when it was broadsided by an idiot turning left when they shouldn't have), but my former employer (I retired) went from having four L2 chargers to 12 during the 3 years that I was working/EV owner. Infrastructure is the true limiting factor of EV use/acceptance. This is incredible.
Noted the litter on the ground... It's a shame that people can't pick up after themselves!
Nice video kyle . Hopefully Ea will add more. The largest ea I have seen is 10 at a Cincinnati location. Our Columbus oh location has 8
The 40 stalls Tesla 150 kW supercharger at this location often got throttled down to only 72 kW when they're busy. 72 kW takes a long time, so I just have to charge enough to get to the next station. It happened to me twice, so I will not be stopping here again until the V3 opens up.
Yes, Busy V2 is like that. 150 kW split between two cars. It is really awkward coming in to a V2 station where every second dispenser has a car at it. Who will I choose to annoy by parking next to? Some stations even have the pairs of chargers distributed seemingly at random, so watch the dispenser numbers. V3 also gets throttled, but as shown in the video, the sharing is much wider, so you can't easily point at the one that is slowing you down.
@geirmyrvagnes8718 I'm aware of the split at the V2 stations. Both times, I tried to unplug n moved to a different stall without another car next to me, but I still only get 72 kW, so you're right about the pairing probably being distributed at random. I even walked around asking other drivers that didn't have a car next to them or in front of them, which they confirmed they only get 72 kW. Watching this video certainly educate me on the fact that V3 does throttle as well, but it's still much faster even when all the stalls are full in my experience. That's probably bc each car takes in the juice at different charge rates as it gradually slows down.
As a new Tesla owner I learned a lot on the charging process in this video thank you.
Your enthusiasm is infectious. 👍
Utah transit authority (UTA) has a new maintenance facility in salt lake with new BEB charging stations, this would be a cool EV video to go over ABB's chargers they have their, or the pantographs UTA has installed around Utah.
Love these charging station videos! Keep them coming!!
Anyone else get the awesome Apple Ad about their security and Find My capabilities? Great Job Apple!
Add a big ass convenience store and it’s like a 2037 Buc-eel’s! 😆 Can’t wait!
With the building of Bright Line West station in Las Vegas, they need a 50+ charger network built as part of the station.
Part of the service on Bright Line East they do pick up and drop off for passengers in model 3/Ys so it makes sense...
but they could have an issue with the Taxicab Authority and also the Nevada Transportation Authority which runs the limousine licencing
When you are growing 50% per year, you have to think big! Love my Model 3LR/FSD. Cost a bundle, but worth it.
Great video.
We’re charging here a few times a month.
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The Barstow install pretty impressive also.
Solar canopies is fantastic. Would like more info on the kWh production on a site like this per year. Great video 👍
I Guess each shed is a 100kwp installation. Not sure but : 20 rows, 12 panels a row and 450wp panel. = 108000 wp of 108kwp. Inverter is probaly a HUAWEI SUN 2000 100KTL.
so 5 of 6 sheds => 500 or 600kw installation total.
Its my living monitoring pv i stallations ( Belgium). A 500kw installation has 500MW yearly production.
But is dessert 2 remarks : higher temp = more prod losses. 2nd ) Dust covering the panels.
Ty Kyle, nice video as usual. I wish since you are in the desert, you can see how pitiful the state of dc charging is in the deserts of New Mexico. I hope you can find out if Tesla is planning a dc fast charging station in Roswell, NM. After all it will be an out of specs, "out of this world" force that will make the travel through Roswell, for many people like me so much easier, free of range anxiety.
I recall in 1947, they allegedly clocked a faster than light speed charger performance through Roswell...!!!
Kyle on your way back from California stop at Red Rock Casino in Vegas, there’s a brand new supercharging station going in with 12, 250Kw charging. You can get a quick video before it opens
Review the Eddie World Supercharger to convince Tesla to add more stalls.
Neeeerrrrrdddddd!!!!
It’s awesome seeing somebody so excited over new tech. (Which I don’t mostly understand)
But yeah. I’ll watch everything to learn little bits here and there.
Real question is, how do we convert our sedans/SUVs to use the Tesla semi charger. Hahaha
Keep’em coming!
I drive through here a few times a year when I make the drive from San Diego, CA to Fort Collins, CO in my 3 Standard Range. Cool town aesthetically but not temperature wise lol. Definitely really nice chargers.
This is one of the cooler videos I’ve seen from you in awhile! More videos like this please.
Yes to more charge center reviews & data. Also was at the Baker loc. about a month ago and the first row of V3 stalls was operational (closest to the store/eatery - about where that V4 was sitting. Great spot to charge, just way overpriced for snacks / drinks. :) We take the wife's GV60 to the other side of the same lot. Both decent charge rates for their respective cabinetry. TY for all the great data!
I make a lot of road trips from CA to UT and prefer using the chargers at Primm, there are much more amenities and is about 1/2 the cost.
Didn't know big charging stations like this existed. I've only ever seen them in single rows in parking ramps and grocery store parking lots. Cool.
Fantastic, I went there last year or just this month, Amazing location in continuous expansion !!!
Greatjob Kyle! Thanks for updating us for Baker expansion charging stn area. Love it
The town I live in has two chargers for town work vehicles, that’s it! Next charger is about 34km away.
Kyle is so passionate and in the heat.
It is so good to see an ADA-designated charger! Thank you for sharing.
Ad some pull-in spots for towing, a few food trucks and tables, and a porta-potty, it'd be perfect!
This blows my Australian mind.
Our biggest supercharger site here has 12 stalls. Many only have 3. The biggest in the works (pending permits) will be 20.
Outside of the supercharger network, I don't think I've seen more than 4 stalls at a DC charging site.
EV sales have begun to spike up here in the last 12 months, so we are in for a world of pain until we see some sites with a decent number of stalls. Queueing is a problem almost always.
That's funny. I should have submitted a bad rate my charge for Baker EA charger. It wouldn't activate on one of the chargers and had to move to another station with our Mach E. Same time frame as when you were there -2 weeks ago in mid-July 2023.
The electronics nerd in me gravitates toward the metering or power supply section of a charge station. This one would be neat to see if the meter is spinning forward or backward.
Why are the cabinets not in the shade?
I'm skeptical that Tesla would upgrade to 1000V capability anytime soon, even with the CT incoming. It'll charge perfectly fine on all existing infrastructure, none of their other cars need it. So what's the rush from their POV? To help HMG, Porshce/Audi and Lucid? Nah...
Love the nerding out on charging stations! More please :)
This channel helps me feel better about my obsession with EV chargers
Lol!!! Should be clap for that!?
10:20 Seems like they could have installed even more solar by connecting the canopies. I guess the modular design makes that more difficult than it sounds.
Great review. Thank you
Thanks for reviewing, please do more in the future!
Such an odd AC voltage for that mega charger. Been in utility industry for years and never dealt with 360/208Y
Heat limitations? Scaling considerations?
It's a strange voltage indeed, you would expect a grid voltage from anywhere in the world.
But it's very close to the 400/230Y used in Europe, some countries use 230∆ btw.
And at these power levels you can probably get any voltage you want.
Check out the Tejon Ranch charging station-76 stalls. Off I-5 at the southern base of the CA Central Valley.
Thanks for the video Kyle & friends👍 Would love to see the Tesla semi charging & hopefully you will get it soon.