@@IzyHamblinz My bad if it sounded like I was heated I wasn't. You were right, I was just trying to say that it's Pepsi's decision at the end of the day and that there're other videos about the trucks experience if you really want to hear about it. Have a good day and remember to drink water 🌊
They did state some of the generalized feedback they'd gotten from their drivers which was mostly positive. I doubt it's all sunshine and roses, but it's probably sent to Tesla to try and mitigate some of the issues. They also use electric trucks other than the Tesla semi. Pepsi also probably didn't want their drivers bothered by reporters, among other concerns.
As a driver myself, what we say, generally is how it is. You'll know right away if it's all hype and impractical or the other way around--where it's actually a decent piece of equipment. Management can upsell you something so much, but if a driver hates or loves it, you'll know it just by talking to them. We're the ones that have to spend all day driving them and operating them, not the desk jockeys. Definitely missed opportunity there
You might like the Tesla semi. First of all it is smooth, quiet and comfortable. It has more than three times the torque of a diesel, so it can go full speed, even accelerate, uphill. You usually don't have to hit the brakes downhill, because it uses powerful regenerative braking to recharge the batteries downhill. No more overheated brakes. No more break-neck runs downhill and trying to navigate around slow-pokes uphill to use some of that downhill speed.
@@jimroth7927 would be really nice to hear from someone who actually uses their Tesla Truck in their daily jobs. Too bad PepsiCo did not let CNBC interview them.
@@jimroth7927 it's about business a Tesla weighs almost twice that of a diesel truck....with elon's 500 mile range ... they'll weigh so much that you can't carry much cargo anyways.....they have more power and torque?? Buddy .....their battery weighs more than a diesel truck itself.....means less space for cargo..... trucking is a business where money is everything and is determined by time... who'd want to wait for 1 hour to charge? Instead of just plugin diesel stations and 15min then u r off Not to mention the amount of Teslas spontaneous combust is a huge safety threat .....
@@NeutronStream That's sort of fair for CNBC to do, though. Every Tesla product does seem to spend about 5 years as vaporware, before finally hitting the market. They announce their stuff WAYYYYY too early.
You apparently missed the statement at 4:34 that they also take 45,000 lb. loads of Pepsi 300 to 400 miles, from plant to distributor warehouse. >22 tons is not what I'd call "super light".
@@aaron___6014 Yes, lightweight, cubed out loads of snacks still need to be moved from the plant to a warehouse. The good news is that when lightly loaded with 5,000 lbs. of snacks, the range goes all the way up to 680 miles, and fuel cost per mile goes down another 25%. Thank you for bringing this up, to highlight yet another advantage the Tesla Semi has over diesel semis.
@@csabo1725 So true, and thank you for pointing this out! And here's a video of a Tesla Semi towing a flatbed trailer carrying exactly that-42,900 lbs. of steel and concrete traffic barriers-accelerating rapidly up a steep grade on Donner Pass, passing a diesel semi as if it were standing still: ua-cam.com/users/liveLtOqU2o81iI?feature=share&t=985 Just like diesel semis, Tesla Semis will often tow loads of light materials that are cubed out-that is, limited by volume, not weight-because that's the load that needs to be delivered. But they are also capable of towing 22 tons in loads that are weighed out, which is not substantially less than what a diesel semi can tow.
I am a truck driver. We have many trucks that carry far more weight than 80,000 pounds. You solve the weight problem by adding more axles and more wheels to carry the extra weight. The largest cost is the cost of fuel. Elon Musk claims that the Tesla Semi can go 500 miles fully loaded on 1000 kilowatt hours of electricity. The wholesale cost of electricity is currently 7 cents per kilowatt hour. That is a cost of $70 to go 500 miles, fully loaded at 80,000 pounds. Currently I pay over $300 for diesel fuel to go the same distance. That is a significant fuel cost saving. That is what is important to truck drivers. That fuel cost saving makes the Tesla Semi very attractive if the purchase price is only $180,000. I paid $150,000 for my diesel truck. For the fuel cost savings that Elon Musk has promised, I will be delighted to pay $180,000 for the Tesla truck.
Pepsi's experience in the next 1-2 years will greatly determine the early adoption of the Tesla Semi by other companies with similar requirements. If Pepsi exercises their option to take the remainder of the 100 units, that will be an affirming sign to other potential owners.
@@BeatBox-nu4oi Literally no authoritative voice is asserting that the Tesla Semi is going to garner the domestic semi-truck market in any foreseeable future. Pepsi has over 11,000 tractors. Pepsi is simply evaluating the Tesla Semi will give them a financial advantage over the semi-trucks in current fleet. If Pepsi expands their fleet of Tesla Semis, others with similar requirements will take note and act accordingly.
@@douglas-hughesMostly because electric just simply doesn't have the range. It's probable that we will see hydrogen powered trucks or at least hybrid systems before we see electric. With that in mind, It would be nice if Tesla or anyone really can finally succeed in reducing the cost and emissions of trucking.
@@fastestdino2 Well, as the man himself said, these are specifically for medium haul, mostly at intra-state level. These can’t dethrone the long haul market yet. That needs alternative fuels, as batteries have very low energy density.
I'm not a driver, but I know that in Canada drivers have government regulated daily driving time limits of 10-14 hours per day depending on specific rules you are running under. So taking a 1hr meal break while recharging may not be a problem. Assuming you can find an open charger when you need it. There are some pretty depressing "road trip" videos by car owners who have to take road trips in small bites as they are guided, and mis-guided, in a wandering route between known charging stations. Where they may encounter broken chargers or wait lines.
All of this has been alleviated from Tesla. Tesla supercharger networks are highly reliable and show the driver how long they have to charge and where, and where is the next charger. It's called the Tesla route planner.
Yep the non operating and backed up charging stations. and longer charging times at them for non Tesla run chargers. The car owners have the same problem. No one mentions the poor cold weather mileage, and the resources it takes to manufacture the vehicles and the batteries which by the way use components that can not be manufactured in the USA due to environmental and safety regulations (all are Chinese owned company's by the way). and also the resources and pollution that's produced to supply the electricity to charge the vehicles!
@@Smellindamix Yes, that is what I've read. The Tesla supercharger network is the largest and best kept. BUT, it naturally focuses on the larger concentrations of people, naturally. The meandering part of my comment came from a story of the experiences of a person travelling the tesla charger network cross country, away from population centers. His was the tale of having to meander from one town to the next, picking up partial charges because it was too far between to skip chargers. Yes, the story(ies) I read about problems with chargers were about other networks.
"I'm not a driver, but.." should've, could've stopped right there.. opinions - without facts, feelings or ACTUAL experience - are same as farts only not as offensive.
@@anthonypelchat Frito trucks got 425 miles hauling chips, Pepsi trucks only got 100 miles on the same charge. The payload capacity and range is a huge difference.
Some of these experts are talking out of their butts. Legacy truck companies "know what the customer wants" is identical to legacy car companies "knowing what the customer wants". That theory is dead now. The big challenge is building enough trucks. There's a huge market of companies like Pepsi with fixed routes and self-operated fleets. These fleets also tend to have the highest utilization in urban & suburban areas. This market itself is enough for Tesla (and others) to saturate for several years before targeting true ultra-long haul cross country. A great product, great efficiency and a huge hurdle finally cleared by Tesla (delays).
@@danko5866 And it doesn't need to be perfect. Something like 42,000 people were killed in vehicle accidents in the USA in 2021. People still drive like monkeys and nobody cares. But if a self-driving Tesla is at fault for even 1 (one) fatality, it makes the national evening news. This is complete road apples, and has to stop.
Your absolutely right about legacy car companies “knowing what customers want”. Ford got rid of all cars in their fleet. Result: Record Honda and Toyota sales with millennials.
@@danko5866 I'm not sure how big of an advantage that is, considering that there are much better level 2 systems out there and mercedes have now even been greenlighted to start level 3 trials in specific areas. Similarly, the company even made the statement that the current fsd system is expected to remain level 2 even when it's "complete." I think tesla kinda shot itself in the foot selling a hugely expensive, buggy mess to make a mess out on real live roads, whereas other companies have been more conservative and developed systems that actually do what they promise consistently.
@@TeeFunkable You might want to read up on the Mercedes thing. Only works on specific routes in one state, in specific weather, with a lead car 100m ahead, won't work on a banked freeway, and only works at less than 40mph. In addition the driver can "take their eyes offs the road" but must still be paying attention to take over at any time. It's more of a "technically" level 3 system just to be able to claim that they did it first, which is disappointing to see.
I want to give a shout out to Pepsi for using raised solar panels above their parking lot. Yes! We need to see those EVERYWHERE! Put parking sprawl to work. @6:14
I retired from trucking in 2019, the over regulation and the money grab from the local governments on BS safety inspections and fines put you at the mercy of the small towns looking for ways to take your money. This technology is pie in the sky for now.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl I have 40-plus years in the business and I'm telling you it won't work. The range is limited, and takes too long to recharge, plus the DOT would have to raise the weight limit from 80,000 pounds gross. We don't have the infrastructure to support charging stations. Believe me I wish it would work. In 40 to 50 years maybe but not now. Also, the electric bills for every American will skyrocket. The cost to transport will be astronomical.
450 miles is nothing in a big truck. Those miles only represent a third of your shift. This country is in trouble. With drivers waiting for a charge at a truck stop, Grocers are going to be screaming for product. Think the prices for substance is bad now? Just wait and see. And watch the real truck drivers walk away from that electric turd. Sure they may find some school taught worthless steering wheel holder but that wont last long when his family is looking at foreclosure or eviction due to lack of a decent paycheck. The windmill bone yards wont be able to keep up to the demand when we go totally mother earth worshiping green totalitarian. AGENDA 2030 is going to be really interesting.
@@chidorirasenganz I'm for this electrical age but there are some things to be concerned about. The availability of the chargers is becoming an issue (will be resolved once we get more stations) and reliability of the said stations. Personally think some of these trucks should be hybrid. In the off chance you aren't able to charge your truck, you can fill it up with gas.
The semis should not have autonomous driving included due to the fact of the danger having an 80,000 pound semi driving down the highway or road with nobody at the controls except someone sleeping behind the wheel.
Historical note: The steam locomotive industry was over a hundred years old when the diesel electrics were introduced in the 1950’s . The three biggest steam locomotives companies merged to become Baldwin- Lima- Hamilton. They and every other steam locomotives company went bankrupt! All Locomotives are made by GE, EMD or a few small companies none of which ever built steam units. Just a warning not a prediction….
That does not mean that in the current scenario, battery electric trucks are the ones that are going to win, I see hydrogen trucks as a more realistic solution, even though they don't seem so right now.
Insightful. Similar can happen. Tough as it seems the ICE engine makers are making steps to electrify their designs. So they may have learnt from history. We will see how much.
Diesel-electrics were introduced in the 1930s. Niche product at first, mostly switchers, due to the lower power available early on. They didn't get COMMON 'til the 1950s (World War II both hurt by distracting, and helped by pushing technology needed).
@@Cier433 problem with hydrogen is the lack of regenerative braking. This thing can improve energy efficiency a lot... Radically a lot. I think in future trucks and train's all will be with battery
@@andresouza2314 What are you talking about, hydrogen cell vehicles work with electric motors, the hydrogen cell only generates electricity, so it is not that different from a battery electric vehicle, only in the case of those that use a hydrogen cell, the battery it's much less so they would still have the option of making a regenerative system. Let's say you could make a hydrogen cell truck that needed only 10% of the battery capacity than if it were just batteries.
"Their have been some reports that they can't handle the weight or the distance. " By WHO reported this there is only one customer at this time. Frito lay has not said this publicly. THEY ARE JUST MAKING THE STORY UP TO FIT THEIR NARRATIVE.
@Glenn Beattie Agreed. There has been some "speculation" by uninformed individuals, starting from a base of..... Guesswork, with certain specifications proven to be completely wrong. . My opinion? The battery is much lighter than some say (they based the weight on 18650 cells), the cab size and so weight is much lower and incorrect assumptions were made regarding the weight of the diesel drivetrain, which of course the Tesla doesn't carry. (Even the wheels and tyres are smaller/ lighter!) My conclusion, it's well with 1000lbs difference.
Yes, there was a lot of pure guesswork, all of against Tesla in this video. Who was the Patagonia shirt guy? All others were identified in the video, but he wasn't and he was the guy literally lying his butt off.
@@rsfpost7501 Yeah, not to mention some of his completely specious reasoning. I loved his spiel about the other, more established truck manufacturers have some big advantage because they've been selling to companies for years. As if to say that when Tesla brings out a superior, more economical product, the procurement managers at, for example, McDonald's or IKEA are going to say, "Gosh, I'd love to buy an electric semi truck from Tesla, but I don't know how I'd ever do it. I guess I'll call Mercedes and buy one of their trucks instead--even though it only has 60% of the range of the Tesla--because I already have their phone number in my contacts list." If companies believe they can save money by buying a different product, they'll have no problem switching to a new supplier.
Source of these reports: Social media comments from people who never even seen the Tesla semi in person or own a Tesla or EV. This is evident since there have been no actual reports and articles from any media, which is something that usually spreads like wild fire once one media source posts even a single negative headline without any real data to back it up.
I'm a trucker, I'd like to drive one, but 650 miles is a regular day for me so the mileage doesn't work. I also team drive with my son so until they can charge these things in less than an hour it wouldn't work for us. But keep it up. I'm definitely not anti-electric, I'm just against the group who thinks this is all you can own and still love this planet!
@Joe Gaston not sure what you mean but I think they're cool. My son and I drive from Durham NC to just outside Dallas TX twice a week, takes us about 19 hours each way, little over a thousand miles. We get to one end or the other, load up, then head the other direction, Tuesday NC, Wednesday TX, Thursday NC, and so on. The electric trucks just can't do that yet, not in the time frame we need, but I'm sure they're working on it ...
Mark, I was pleasantly surprised seeing your comment here. No agenda, just the facts (about the trucking). It’s new tech and they will take the easy market share first. It will be interesting to see what new developments accelerate the adoption.
What is today if yesterday is tomorrow SpongeBob? And in all seriousness this is more about a purpose built EV platform and infrastructure. The brands you’ve listed make ev tractors based on internal combustion engine design which significantly limits their capability. They also don’t have or make fast charging infrastructure for this scale of vehicle.
@@banme2784 The EV is nothing, it's the autonomous driven vehicles that are going to really improve our lives. Imagine no more traffic lights, no speed limits, and roads that don't have to flow in any particular direction! The vehicles will be networked and roll their own "air traffic control" without our intervention. No humans driving means no liability insurance, no traffic cops, no DUI laws. You could tell your truck to take a certain route to a destination and to wake you up half an hour before you arrive, then take a nap. It could even go there without you, maybe drop you off at the lake and pick you up on the way back home. ALL of this will happen, and we can't stop it. Kids today aren't even interested in cars, a lot of them aren't even getting licenses. it's all computers now.
@@josephastier7421 while that may sound legitimate, that’s not going to happen. Not in anybody generation that is breathing air as type this as I should say. People are not going to give up their right to drive. Motorcyclist dang sure are not going to give up their right to ride. Bicyclists are not going anywhere. It’s going to need to be all autonomous or none or specific lanes for autonomous commercial vehicles. Every single vehicle on the road being autonomous could be a good thing or could be a very severe bad thing. I don’t see no in between honestly.
One factor nobody considers is average speed. The Tesla wil achieve, *then maintain* it's speed over a distance. That could allow either a faster trip, or more rest time for the driver (and charge "splash and dash"! for the truck)
It will save on fuel costs big time, electricity is so much cheaper than diesel fuel. On a cost per mile basis you can't beat an EV, this is the underlying reason ICE is going to die real quick, give it 10-15 yrs.
@@mho... I own a very large solar company. The size of the array required to supply the 800+kW peak demand of this battery is absolutely monstrous. Solar can slowly help fill a battery that powers this but in absolutely no way is it feasible to charge a truck off solar
@@mattbrew11 they claim that they have 2mv of solar and 2.7 mv h of storage in that fritolay facility - is it enough to achieve anything? Or they mostly just use all this for "being green" pr ?
@@mattbrew11 While you could charge directly from solar, it would be best to charge a stationary pack like the Tesla Megapacks or other's versions and then discharge when needed. A single megapack could cover more than 4 full charges when fully charged, though normally 6-8 typical charges. And that's when the sun is shining and recharging it. You have to deal with some efficiency losses, but it's far better overall.
I do see a benefit of having the local delivery and port vehicles being EV for the sole fact of not emitting all of the exhaust fumes into the air. I hope it works. I do not see EV vehicles being used for cross country shipments. At least not for a long while.
@@litshackblink I’m an over-the-road driver (3000+ miles a week) and I agree it’s going to take a long while. They touch on it at 11:00. The infrastructure required is HUGE. On par with the building of the railroad and national highway system.
you make your own parking out there a lot, which is fine sometimes. But its only really ok bc you are never really stranded if you can get fuel. I imagine the first few ev's that roll out charging will be baked into the route. But sometimes when you are just out there, you don't want to stop your day for several hours just to charge.
Seems to me without doing any calculations, that Tesla Semi is going to be much less to operate. Cost per mile is going to be much cheaper than diesel. Also much less maintenance on the truck once any kinks, are worked out. I’m guessing the actual nos. are going to quickly make diesels a thing of the past, not hard to project. The mass arrival of 4680 batteries is also going to be very significant.
I don’t drive anymore but still have my CDL and I’d love to drive one of these if they worked properly. A lot of old school truckers are stuck in their ways but I don’t see the problem if they become reliable.
They already hate it bc it’s not a long hood Pete or kw. Those kinds of drivers are what I hate most about this industry so far. Sure a cascadia or a Volvo might not look cool but I’m getting paid to drive not look cool. I personally would love to drive a Tesla semi just to see what it’s like.
@@dant.3505 _The battery requirement for a semi is very heavy and reduces the load capacity to about 9 tons_ Actually about 22 tons, but who's counting?
@@BigBen621 the gross weight of the tractor of an electric EV is substantial compared to a diesel rig. With a legal limit of 80000 lbs. The weight of the tractor will reduce what can legally be loaded. It doesn't leave much legal load. Edit- the 22 tons you mention only leaves 36000 lbs for the empty weight of the rig. That's about right for a typical diesel rig. But a EV battery rig with acceptable range will be much heavier than a diesel rig. The empty weight of a EV truck is very heavy.
The one speaker told viewers that diesel trucks produce more power…going with Tesla’s numbers vs. What diesel truck OEMs show as their own, is a stark contrast to what was pushed here. Tesla’s touted power is substantially higher.
From the context I guess what he me actually meant was die _energy_ density of diesel fuel vs. that of batteries. People mix up power and energy all the time :-/
15:00 "Given the total costs of operation is significantly more beneficial than for ICE vehicles. I'd say by the end of the decade at least 50% of the commercial fleets will be electrified." I think this is the critical statement. Semi Trucks have such regular and costly maintenance and repairs it's not going to take very long for owners/operators to see the clear benefit of EVs. (The Tejon Pass 4414' on the Modesto to Southern California I - 5 route. Instead of burning fuel going up (possibly overheating) and then burning expensive brakes going back down. The Tesla Semi on the descent regains almost all the energy used climbing. It's as though the mountains were not even there.) And the final word, "We're not there yet." When was that last said about the electric car? Something else amazing about Musk is not just that he promises and then delivers, but that he gets his idea and product across. Thomas Kuhn in the Progress of Scientific Revolutions made a convincing case that new science is never accepted until the old guard dies or retires - doesn't matter how powerfully the case is made. Within a year or two of the introduction of the Model 3 everything changed. Sure many OEM vehicle company CEOs were replaced -- but not by EV supporters. What has changed is that every OEM is now scrambling as quickly as they can to electrify their vehicle lines. (And the U.S. tax credit which gives hybrids the same status as BatteryEV, I don't think has slowed this transition.) And good one CNBC. I've been critical of a lot that you do. This report is top notch, well researched.
@@Johnfisher12345 Actually you’re the one who didn’t pay attention in physics class. Yes, it takes more power to go up the mountain, but the truck literally recaptures almost all of that power. When you go up the mountain and then back down, the net battery drain is almost identical to what it would be if the mountain weren’t there. So yes, it literally is as if the mountain isn’t there.
Yes, a good video overall, though they didn’t hit back on the critics as much as I think they should have. The claimed 500 mile range takes the battery down to 0, which is stupid, so a 425 mile route is totally expected. The guy also claimed that diesel trucks put out more power for their weight. Ok, but the Tesla semi puts out sooooo much more power overall. And all the energy it outs into getting that mass moving can be recovered when you brake.
I mean media come on, you used to say same kind of negative things when Tesla cars hitted roads.. I will look on positive things that they can actually deliver a truck..thts a good thing.. Just like all products things will improve over time..
Not sure what the commentator meant about the power of a diesel vs electric on a weight basis, and compromises. AFAIK, diesel wins on range but suffers on both low-end torque and maximum acceleration and speed.
I guess they meant sustaining that weight over a longer range. Diesel truck gives you 1400 miles of range on a full tank of gas while electric only gives you 400 miles of range on a single charge. Still a long way to go. Plus, an hour to charge up and get close to 350 miles of range from a substation versus 15 minutes to fill a diesel truck and get 1400 miles of range. Just Ridiculous.
Add in hill climb and descent and see if a diesel truck gets 1400 miles. As long as the battery outlasts the driver your critique is ridiculous... unless you are promoting a trucker who has ben awake for 21 hours.
Yes, it works. But I was expecting to see updated specs, real world results, and prices, once the semis were delivered. I get the impression that everyone is under an NDA, and this isn’t an actual product yet.
@@kevinbailey8827 - What do you mean by 'actual product yet'? Production has already started but at slow rate since they just started in past month or two. So far only about 39 have been made for Pepsi on their 100 Semi order. Giga factory Nevada is being expanded for Semi and 4860 battery production.
@@Chainyanker007 I mean they’re getting ready to produce it, but these are still essentially prototypes. They aren’t ready yet to put them out for independent reviews and head to head comparisons with their competitors. They wouldn’t even allow interviews with the drivers.
@@kevinbailey8827 - No, they are not ‘getting ready to produce it’ they are already in production, the Semis are not prototypes. Production speed is gradually ramping up as is true for all new models, Teslas included.
@@Chainyanker007 Months after the official production of the Model 3, Tesla was still building parts of it by hand, and the finished product was only being delivered to employees who weren’t allowed to talk freely about their cars. Officially, the Semi is in production. I agree. I just think the units delivered so far are missing some features that are supposedly to be in the production version. If so, they are defective. Or prototypes.
as a driver and in the game for 23 years now , i can tell you that the guys sitting in a office chair and a desk will never know a truck drivers day to day workflow they can assume a lot of things just by looking but never ever ever will they nail it because they are not actually hands on. now said that i can see this truck helping us alot because this is not an overnight cabin , so its 1 day pick up and drop off truck i really like that i dont do overnighters in my diesel truck because i dont like them but this truck fits perfectly to mee if i could buy one to start my own fleet i will do ot no questions ask
Tesla owner here: Price volatility still exist for electric car. If you have a Tesla you would see that certain chargers charge more and the price would also differ at different times (night/morning or even night/morning/afternoon). I still like the car but there's more to it, its not all a dream. Be wary of absolutist, shades of gray exist in everything.
I think we can make the case that we are in early days for EVs in general. The narrative can change based on who ends up crafting it. We need to support and encourage companies who drive the best case.
@@flodjod the grid itself the problem, not the energy being required to run it. all electricity is being run through larges wires and they are old and at capacity, john oliver made a good video on it
The power demand is bad from 12 noon to 8 PM night. 12 noon time can sometimes be filled with solar but night is when the grid may fail. Thus they cut power to heavy users like that like a low rate like car charging and AC users to keep hospitals and police stations running. Elon has also made these T battery banks for charge station to level out some of the surge demands. I think I see about 20 wall chargers good for 800,000 KW or one truck reserve.
Maybe they should have updated the power grid before adding all these power needs to begin with. Seems forced. California will just unrightfully shut people’s power off to accommodate. Solar isn’t going to fix anything either, especially when it’s cloudy and rainy, windy. People don’t understand that dust on the solar panels will drastically reduce its performance. Think it’s the key to all their problems when it clearly doesn’t work. Same with wind energy. I drive by the wind farms all the time in California and only see a few spinning ever. Too much maintenance, not enough support. Most are broken down. Waste of tax payer dollars. It’s all a scam.
Overall, less energy would be required. Using a EV power chain uses less joules of energy than a ICE powertrain would due to the losses of conversion, heat, transportation and transmission. But sure, the grid either needs to expand, or companies should invest in local energy storage and production (solar/wind, with batteries) to power their fleet. Anyway, its a long term investment, that gains them in the long run.
It’s not a DAF truck. All the powertrain was developed, fabricated and installed in the US. Although I understand your confusion, as the cab is similar to the one of the DAF LF truck. It’s not a rebadge.
The arrival of the freaking *Tesla* semi tractor was bound to upset people. They try to FUD the technology in some pretty funny ways, when the fact is that disruptive technologies frighten a certain type of person.
i think it was the right choice and should be allowed at a later stage, not at the start, it would just spread misinformation. this is the start and it will be like every other start covered in hiccups until it runs perfect like electric cars nowadays.
Before def, trucks made way more than 1mm miles with the origonal engine and some newer trucks still do if you keep a head of the maintenance schedule... So that's not much of a guarantee, it will take a little over 6 years to know if it's true.
@@MyLifeTheStruggle1 Actually you can get a certification for autonomous trucks, which I plan to get. So yes I will because AI can't handle specific tasks such as where many flatbeds go. Ie construction areas in the middle of nowhere.
@@menotyou1234 Right. But currently for a Tesla 3 for example you are looking at about $15 - $20,000 for a replacement pack. AND only Tesla can do it if you want a warranty etc. With a Credit for your current pack you are looking at almost $15,000. Thats more then the cost of almost every full car I have ever bought.
My guess is the drivers don't like all the tracking tech, cameras, ect inside the vehicle. You may have also noticed it only has one seat. How will they pick up a prostitute at a truck stop in that?
Considering the energy storage problem electricity is likely to become dramatically cheaper provided charging can be done at times of high supply and low demand (e.g. middle of the day or middle of the night), batteries are also likely to continue becoming cheaper. It sounds like the business case for the electric trucks is already there but it is also likely to become better over time, same for EV's.
I still think we'll see the Tesla Semi hooked up overnight at car supercharger locations, either using a dedicated Megacharger at very low power, or to existing "end of row" V3 chargers using an adapter so supply about 120kW over 8 hours (plus "hookup" for driver and trailer use!) That immediately provides a nationwide "network" of currently underutilised sites. . Tesla also announced "Lounges" being built in Europe to provide facilities for drivers. Expect a similar announcement in the US, perhaps at the investor event? Perfect for a truck driver sleeping over?
I would suggest that you look up nickel and lithium prices of the last 5 years. Prices are up not down. Whats for most logistic company important is haul capicity. Given that a tesla semi can haul only about 1/4 of a Diesel truck it has a massive disadvantage. This means more trips, more and longer „fueling“ times and more labour. Electric trucks make sense in a city or maybe long haul with low weight material. However you can do that with a diesel truck as well and that gives owners a flexibility. The point is every technologie has advantages and disadvantages. I still don‘t see any financial advantage of electric truck for logistic. Only a nice „advertisement“ for companies who want to show how enviromentaly causcious they are. Aaany way if Diesel trucks get banned freight will get more expensive which in the end the common people will pay. If that‘s worth it anyone can decide by their own.
If the demand continues to grow for both cars and trucks due to battery resources, they will rise rather than go down. Unless there is a great advance in terms of battery capacity, I see a commitment to hydrogen for trucks as more convenient.
@@Slithermotion They can haul a lot more than 1/4 - at least 60% and more likely 75% - even on weight-limited loads. A lot more even on COMMON volume-limited loads. But the technology remains niche for now - 'til the RECHARGING situation changes dramatically.
Care to explain the entire Tesla lineup then? They are always on the bottom for reliability along with other EV's. There's also some other issues but that's a lot more than I feel like typing.
@@loganmatthias5038 Yes, The tesla car fleet is notorious for reliability issues, generally surrounding build quality, but the issues with the semi were software related and could be fixed by a software upgrade. Issues are common in brand new products.
The once in a century infrastructure investment is a really good perspective that I think many, including myself have not considered. Looking back and seeing what we have achieved with the highways and railroads, a wide scale grid update seems achievable.
Yes, it's the main competitive advantage of tesla IMO. I'm so disappointed other car manufacturer did such a poor job with chargers across the US. They were forced to use the money to build a charging infrastructure because of "Dieslgate". I think it shows that it wasn't their choice, it's not competitive, it doesn't last, and it's not the best distribution across the states. It's disgusting that they took it as a profit driven adventure while it's supposed to be their punishments. But u they loose money on every car and don't make up the money in maintenance so you have to recoup somewhere..
As long as Tesla plays ball with the charging standards being created. Otherwise, we're gonna have a situation where charging stations have like twenty different hookups and it's a nightmare.
Considering that we already have a pretty good electrical infrastructure across the country adding charging stations is just like adding access points to something that’s already there.
@@z-beeblebrox Tesla is the leader in EV technology. It is up to the government to get involved and set the standards . Which I think they just did siding with Tesla system as the standard. Not 100% sure thou. I think we also need to invest in nuclear power .
I found it odd that the one guy said EV's aren't as powerful as diesel. Diesel electric trains exist because electric motors are more powerful than diesel.
@@ross_ulbright7779 Prius style diesel electric hybrid vehicles exist, but mainly in shorter distance vehicles where there’s a lot of start/stop going on since the electric motor kicks in from a stop and the diesel kicks in once up to speed. Long haul vehicles tend to be at highway speeds a high % of the time so, they’d mainly be using the diesel motor. Even in the diesel electric trains, the goal is not economy nor environmental. It’s literally because a diesel motor just isn’t powerful enough to get the train moving.
Using Fusion to cleanly generate electricity is the future so electric vehicles of all kinds will follow. Battery advancements will take care of mileage concerns. Ice vehicles will be used as collectibles…horses didn’t go away when they were replaced…they will still be a small part of our lives.
Since it's the 2170 cell version of the truck, it's likely going to be replaced by the lighter 4680 cell version, so they don't want to publish a weight that's not finally when they can shave half a ton or more.
People like to say it won't work over the road but it would work really good for shuttle drivers . 200 miles out and back. Which a lot of large trucking do. And mega charger stations will be are easier to put in than a truck stop. noise or pollution from idling truck.
How about OTR. Sleeper cab (why not?) 450 miles, (about 7 hours at 65 mph), Driver stop (300 miles added at a megacharger, that's 350 remaining). 4 hours remaining driver time ? That's ±260 miles at 65 average (which the Tesla can maintain over terrain) 60 miles range remaining. . Total range 450+260= ±710 miles (max load) . Truck stops at a V3 charge location. It's "off peak" time. No cars (or few) are on site. The location has a "Semi bay" behind the car chargers on the opposite side to the cars. . Picks a (V3) charger, plugs in with an adapter. The driver sets a timer. The system modulates the charge at ±120-130kW (half the charger capability) for about 7-8 hours. This charges the truck to 95% if at high elevation (leaves a Regen buffer) or 99% if on flat terrain, the timer completes the charge 10 minutes before the departure time set by the driver. The charger also provides onboard hookup for the driver (heating, cooking?) and the trailer if required. (Silent power!) . Tesla installs user Lounges (being done in Europe) for car drivers during the day, truckers 24 hours, with basic food/ drink service, maybe showers depending on access status? . This is based on max load. Ranges will increase with lighter loads. . Feasible?
@@rogerstarkey5390 As someone who spent a lifetime in logistics, I appreciate reading ideas from those who think about how to make something work rather than the "This is @#$%# impossible crowd." I think you are on the right track but it will take some time to make progress on that front. More than 50% of freight moved is local and regional such as the 400 miles or less indicated by the Pepsi rep in the video. This will be less complex to set up with trucks coming back to home base each day and will be the focus initially. It will still keep Tesla and other Semi EV's busy for years to build out that network first and then the OTR freight will follow.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I don't think the current V3 supercharger sites made for EVs are compatible with semis because the maneuvering space wouldn't be enough for multiple semis.
Yep. All the pollution should be kept around the nat gas or coal power plant. That is where the poor and largely minority people live. Let them deal with the effects of the pollution.
I’ve seen a few Nikola 18 wheelers. It was wild hearing nothing but fans running but no engine noise. Even crazier was watching the fully loaded 18 wheeler pull off like a car.
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13:18 excuse me who told this man that an diesel engine has a better power to weight ratio than an electric one? The electric engine is a lot smaller than the diesel and cranks a lot more power out.
It's half the performance in weight of diesel with 1/4 of the distance at full tank of the high end tanks (total of 300 gallons of diesel). The only positive they have is that they can be charged with renewable energy which if you have solar panels is cheaper in the long run but other than that the tech is not quite there... this video is mostly tesla and Frito lay propaganda
I'm a local driver for a mega carrier arm, i expect to see electric replace a good portion of the home daily drivers sooner than later. Its really gonna come down to reliability though, if they start hitting the roads and are rolling fine it will switch quickly. If not its going to be long and drawn-out.
Yep, it's just a matter of time. Though, don't expect Tesla to produce meaningful numbers this year. It will scale to a few hundreds, but the real scale will happen in a year or two, like with the model Y and 3.
i haul milk locally. it's farm loading and plant delivery. we are on overweight permits, and everything here is hills. i drive a 2022 T880 X15 cummins 565 hp and an 18 speed manual. this ugly thing isnt going to be replacing my X15 powered beast. it simply wont have an stamina with the weight or the hills. it wont be hauling construction equipment, windmill generator heads (LOL), blacktop, concrete, dirt, stone, water, fuel or anything that's on an overweight permit...... which is ALLOT of local trucking.
Agree with you. That said, I own a Tesla. Haven't had to do ANY maintenance other than changing tires and adding wiper fluid for 5 years. I think reliability is generally better because the electric drivetrain has no fluids. It's much simpler. The problem might be repairs when you need them. Like say non reliability issues like accidents. You can really only go to Tesla service centers.
Tesla will pull back the curtain when the truck enters production. These are pre production units, I am sure it is upgrading the truck to make it more robust.
This was an excellent report, thank you for all the balanced and factual information. I agree with Sumanth Aluri, (comment below from 8 days ago) it would have been good to include driver comments in the report.
I drive a truck and would love to drive one. It will never replace an ICE truck but there are many applications that electric will work great if you ever figure out where you are going to get all that electricity.
To be fail, a LOT of diesel tractors are well over $100,000 and have been for a while. Even occasional recent low-miles used examples will sometimes exceed $200,000 (browse Kenworth T2000 listings sometime among others).
That's a consequence of capitalist monopolization and profit-seeking, not a realistic analysis of the actual cost of tractors. Any realistic cost analysis would include total agriculture government subsidies into the equation, after accounting for how most of the subsidies go to massive agricultural corporations and suppliers, rather than actual farmers. If the government were to instead nationalize the industries it's propping up, and directly provide those subsidies to actual farmers that own actual farms, it would be a radically different situation. But, no, America exists to serve the shareholder class, instead of actual working class people that do actual work.
@@RosscoAW How does that affect the cost of diesel (or other) tractors? Owner-operators and fleet operators don't get "agricultural subsidies". You're sounding FAR too Communistic with your "complaint" and statement. As if Europe does NOT provide even MORE subsidies than the USA does.
5 yrs is not bad. Impressive really. Starting from 0 in an unfamiliar industry, 5 yrs is impressive. Now to work out the quirks operationally and production-wise and then, in Tesla style, fly away. Should be interesting to see how they work this out and the market share they grab. A LIGHTER BATTERY pack is crucial. Hopefully, that will be eng'd by someone soon, otherwise, go for natural gas.
@@michaellivingston6768 Tesla style in this context means a production system of continuous improvement. Every year hundreds of small and large changes are done to the cars being built. I'm guessing they'll do the same for the semis.
So it took Tesla a really long time to deliver the first Semi. Announced in 2017, with a target of 2019, but delayed until 2022. I wonder what happened in that time? I seem to remember something with the number 19 in its name…😂😂😂
Did not have enough batteries to start doing this. Also the new trimotor plaid motor system that they have ended up with was needed to get the power and efficiency required. The 4 X model 3 motors that they started with was not such a good solution.
Tesla is always delayed because theyre new to the markets. If only there were other truck/vehicle manufacturers that already had rolling frames that could do this first... but who owns em? Big oil baby.
Musk always overpromises then Tesla engineers have to work very hard to try to make it happen. They just did not know how to meet the promised specs when the thing was announced. It’s a case of selling the lawn then looking for the grass seed.
Compared to automotive OEM 'experts' on automotive production - 5 years is a miracle. "One key thing to remember is from the day the design director first puts his idea on paper to the day Job 1 or first customer car is produced it will take 5 - 10 years. Honestly speaking, I’ve never worked on any project that has run on the projected time plan. Honestly never. Doesn't matter how many cars, if it’s 100 McLarens or 30,000 Land Rovers. No project I’ve worked on ever ran as per the plan. It was always delayed." Raghav Jaswal - Automotive Designer for McLaren, Jaguar, Land Rover, Bentley, on Quora.
For those that keep complaining about product delays from Tesla, forget the fact that two years of pandemic and supply chain nightmares really put a wrench on getting new products to the market across the board for every manufacturer.
Its for a reason called Elon Musk Timeline, everyone who is well familiar with him knows that he overpromise. I think he said in one interview that he overpromise to create excitement. If you work on something even as a normal worker, its much more excitingto know that this product come out relatively soon rather than in 2030, 2040 or 2050.
Rail is running to maximize it's profits. It is now running longer trains which make more money but don't fit on sidings. This means less freight. They can't be depended on to handle more freight.
@@austinhernandez2716 those things are already optimised lol!!! There are all kinds of trailers for different applications out there! From refrigerated to open/semi open….
It’ll probably be easy for them to just refit the body for it. Just like the 3 and Y share the same chassis. They’re probably figuring out both at the same time. Just a guess though.
Swappable batteries are the only viable solution for present battery tech. I don't see the tech improve enough any time soon to make the in-vehicle batteries as they are used now viable. There is such a tremendous load of problems with that, which are basically impossible to overcome, such as grid loads, fire hazard, charge times, weight, availability of raw materials just to name a few.
_There is such a tremendous load of problems with that, which are basically impossible to overcome_ All of these have, in fact, been overcome. So there's that...
@@BigBen621 Have they now huh, Einstein? You should know, I am an electrical engineer, with almost 50 years of experience, and let me blow your little bubble here, the problems have not at all been mitigated. There is a proposal in Switzerland to ban EVs due to grid insecurity, there are fires in ships that could have been prevented if only the cars would not have had their little bombs on board, there is weight, a raw materials crisis, an energy crisis, huge cues at charging stations, huge charge times etc etc etc. There is waaay not enough capacity at this point in terms of power stations to power all the EVs required to replace all Ice, and more than 95% of all global electrical power still comes from burning coal. Your turn....
Lol. Yes, and he always delivers on his promises and claims. Like: * Tesla will achieve "full self driving next year" (next year never comes). * 1 million Tesla robotaxis on the road by 2020 * will send his Mars spaceship on short trips by 2019 * Hyperloop (say no more)
If trucking company's and other truck manufactures really new what drivers wanted and needed they would not have so much trouble getting and keeping drivers. So much for the "Big Dogs"!
Maybe because Pepsi and Tesla do not trust journalists. I have been interviewed by several media in my life (journals and television) and at the end since the journalist decide what to show he is making the story.
What is says is that Tesla and the company have a NDA that will last while they are running pre production trucks. When the production line opens they will pull back the curtains.
Frankly, I'm impressed by this report by CNBC. In the past their reporters have been, err... quite biased in some of their presentations regarding Electric Vehicles (EV's) However, I found this to be a well balanced report. Of course there are pros and cons of a new product and it is important we, the viewing public and potential customers, are made aware of these. For small trucking firms, the initial capital expense of transitioning to EV (or other alternative fuel vehicles) is quite daunting and, for some, impossible to implement. I'm very happy that Pepsi is the "testing" company rather than dozens of small operators attempting to be the trending initial users. ie Get the problems sorted out first, then the open market. I agree that 50,000 in 2024 seems to be a tad optimistic. However, the future looks bright for EV trucks from a number of Companies. Plus, of course, the Tesla version looks particularly attractive. Leading the market! Thanks guys. Cheers.
Agreed. I follow CNBC's channel because their journalism is pretty good. They actually report facts good and bad, although like most outlets they tend to spend a lot of the time on the potential negatives because that creates better engagement. I'm ok with that since most of the time the results and determination of engineers to get the job done speak will lead to a better future if we keep an open mind.
1:20 - Talking about California, but showing the UK. I am impressed with the investment in the technology from Pepsico, and the number of manufacturers involved in the EV revolution
We need more power plants, a lot more charging stations, more frequent highway repaving. All of above need to be discussed before we are asking truck industries to change to electric trucks. Are current lithium batteries production and disposal carbon neutral?
_Are current lithium batteries production and disposal carbon neutral?_ No, they're not. But they achieve lifetime carbon neutrality within about the first year of operation.
Even 400 miles is mindblowing the fact that we even have this in our reality right now is mindblowing but you guys are like oh my gosh it's not going 500 miles
400 miles is not mind-blowing when hauling POTATO CHIPS. This is just a publicity stunt by Musk that coincidentally starts with the lightest possible cargo to volume ratio. Next video: Styrofoam factory?
Yard dogs, like @6:24, electric rigs make a lot of sense. Inter-local and local, electric rigs make a lot of sense (take off the sleeper and shorten the frame). Last mile smaller box, electric makes a lot of sense (I see Rivian box for Amazon at times now). All of these scenarios allow these vehicles to run in their respective range window daily. Issue here, though, is current recharge source. If delivering throughout the day, cannot take advantage of optimum solar window, which is midday, meaning a storage of some kind until evening charge or having two rigs (one charges throughout the day, other is used throughout the day), else recharging at night via wind/fossil fuel sourcing is needed. Would solar panels on the box tops be a cost effective range enhancer? I applaud Tesla for taking a stab right at the center of heavy transportation, meaning OTR. Charging location and sourcing will work themselves out over time, just like what happened in the early 1905 to 1920 timeframe during the heavy transition from horse to horseless. What I would like to see, for grins and giggles, is a current diesel Class 8 (80k) and a Tesla (82k) run west out Denver on I-70 to Salina, UT (450 miles one way; could the Tesla make it to Salina without stopping to charge) and back, and then compare cost per mile and average speed. Would love to see how the Tesla compares to the current diesel Class 8 over Eisenhower, Vail, the San Rafael Swell and Salina Canyon.
It is fair to ask when an electric truck will be as good as a diesel. but It is also fair to ask when a diesel will be as good as an electric truck. Both have strong points but the electric trucks are the first ever and the diesel is long in the tooth. With better batteries which are coming the electric truck will be a no brainer.
@Frunkenstein True, yet what was the route? This route looked awfully flat, and if a California route, Class 8 is limited to 55 mph (note the speedo on the left screen was not visible). I'm asking to see mountain passes and higher speeds to baseline, not judge if the Tesla is fully-fleshed or not. As I noted, I applaud Tesla's effort as we are still in the horse to horseless phase.
@Dan Harold Very fair. All I'm stating is, are we at Panacea or are we at version 1.1? More documentation needed. As noted in the video presentation, there is also hydrogen and CNG in the mix. What about diesel electric, like a locomotive? Better batteries will most definitely help, just as gas and diesel engines have improved markedly since 1897. Grid infrastucture and power sourcing to accomodate such a load? Familiar with GM's first attempt at an air-cooled engine, and I do not refer to the Corvair? Improvements occur over time, some being incremental and others major. We are at the infancy of OTR BEV.
@@sntstafford Definitely not a panacea. More like version 0.9. Current pre production is being tested at Pepsi. Everybody wants to know about the range and load. I think that is yet to be determined. We are fairly sure the battery in use now will be replaced by some flavor of the 4680. In terms of the environment forget about diesel in any form. Diesel trucks are already too complex and Diesel over electric will only make it worse. My crystal ball tells me that Tesla will see to it that it's electric semi do not lack for an opportunity to charge. Too much money on the table. I see Tesla charging stations with wind + solar + battery storage up and down US highways. Regulation permitted they will generally sell electricity to the grid not consume it. Just as EVs made the grid better so will the electric trucks.
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All of these other EV semis cost more than the Tesla Semi, have half the range and take 3x as long to charge for the same estimated purchase price. Tesla is the only company capable of building the EV semis at scale and can build the charging stations.
@@V2RocketScientist Battery tech is changing drastically every 3 months. Scotty, and others on this channel continue to use information from 2015. They are stuck in their views based on continued misinformation. Tesla's gen 3 platform will reduce cost by 50%, use hairpin motors, 48v power with motors that no longer use rare earth metals. People don't know anything about Tesla on this channel but they keep applauding every time Scotty talks about how smart Toyota is for being 5 years behind Tesla in EVs.
They will. We're still in the very early stages. Also it wouldn't be too hard for them to beef up the battery packs to extend the range a few hundred more miles. These large semi trucks have a lot more space to work with expanding storage than a tiny little car.
No they can’t, they have to meet a certain maximum load capacity. If you increase the battery you significantly decrease the load capacity. Now maybe they can make their batteries and motors more efficient, but bigger batteries? No.
@@cheeneep I don't know have you checked out the upcoming Tesla Roadster specs? 620 mile range. They're obviously beefing up the battery pack in little car that size for a hefty price tag. I would imagine if they wanted to and put their heads together with some of the smartest engineers in the world they could figure it out for the semi as well.
@@AchillesWrath1 The problem with adding more batteries to the semi is that batteries are very heavy. Roads and especially bridges have certain weight restrictions. Electric Sedans doesn't have this problem. So the only way to increase range without adding weight for the semi is to improve the energy density of lithium-ion batteries.
yes, and everything else as well, weight makes basically no difference in an ev, thats a huge difference to combustion vehicles where weight makes all the difference. regenerative braking is the keyword.
Craig, a diesel powertrain can produce more power from a weight perspective? Last time i looked, one of the factors benefitting EV trucks to allow for more batteries is that the powertrain weights less than a diesel engine with a transmission 🤣 Please don't make it sound like an EV motor can't pull the crap out of a diesel engine any day from 0 RPM
Solar panels on a typical vehicle are more a stunt than a practical power source. You can't angle them to the sun so you never get full output, and there is only enough space for a very small solar installation. Putting solar panels on the roof of a warehouse where the vehicles are charged up is a much better idea. RVs are an exception.
yo uican easily power them with your panels, not just "help" it will get there very, very soon, because they may claim its for the environment but actually its for the money, well electric wins by far in every metric so it's a win win win
They should have included feedback from actual drivers
Pepsi Co refused to let them interview the drivers
@@codercrisYT lmao imagine cutting off real reviews
@@codercrisYT I answered his question based on what was said in the video at 8:23. Why are you getting heated?
@@IzyHamblinz My bad if it sounded like I was heated I wasn't. You were right, I was just trying to say that it's Pepsi's decision at the end of the day and that there're other videos about the trucks experience if you really want to hear about it. Have a good day and remember to drink water 🌊
They did state some of the generalized feedback they'd gotten from their drivers which was mostly positive. I doubt it's all sunshine and roses, but it's probably sent to Tesla to try and mitigate some of the issues. They also use electric trucks other than the Tesla semi. Pepsi also probably didn't want their drivers bothered by reporters, among other concerns.
As a driver myself, what we say, generally is how it is. You'll know right away if it's all hype and impractical or the other way around--where it's actually a decent piece of equipment. Management can upsell you something so much, but if a driver hates or loves it, you'll know it just by talking to them. We're the ones that have to spend all day driving them and operating them, not the desk jockeys. Definitely missed opportunity there
You will be replaced by trucks driving themselves Sion
@@Adelrawas1 how else can I watch netflix while driving?
You might like the Tesla semi. First of all it is smooth, quiet and comfortable. It has more than three times the torque of a diesel, so it can go full speed, even accelerate, uphill. You usually don't have to hit the brakes downhill, because it uses powerful regenerative braking to recharge the batteries downhill. No more overheated brakes. No more break-neck runs downhill and trying to navigate around slow-pokes uphill to use some of that downhill speed.
@@jimroth7927 would be really nice to hear from someone who actually uses their Tesla Truck in their daily jobs. Too bad PepsiCo did not let CNBC interview them.
@@jimroth7927 it's about business a Tesla weighs almost twice that of a diesel truck....with elon's 500 mile range ... they'll weigh so much that you can't carry much cargo anyways.....they have more power and torque?? Buddy .....their battery weighs more than a diesel truck itself.....means less space for cargo..... trucking is a business where money is everything and is determined by time... who'd want to wait for 1 hour to charge? Instead of just plugin diesel stations and 15min then u r off
Not to mention the amount of Teslas spontaneous combust is a huge safety threat .....
“The longest delayed product in Teslas history!”
Meanwhile all the roadster preorder customers 👀
the longest delayed product in Teslas history, so far.
To CNBC every Tesla product is vapourware until they release it and start selling in high volume.
More people are waiting for the cybertruck than roadster
@@NeutronStream That's sort of fair for CNBC to do, though. Every Tesla product does seem to spend about 5 years as vaporware, before finally hitting the market. They announce their stuff WAYYYYY too early.
They said one of the not the
Frito lay is the perfect company to have a Tesla semi, their cargo is super light.
You apparently missed the statement at 4:34 that they also take 45,000 lb. loads of Pepsi 300 to 400 miles, from plant to distributor warehouse. >22 tons is not what I'd call "super light".
Lol, it's mostly air in the bags anyways.
@@aaron___6014 Yes, lightweight, cubed out loads of snacks still need to be moved from the plant to a warehouse. The good news is that when lightly loaded with 5,000 lbs. of snacks, the range goes all the way up to 680 miles, and fuel cost per mile goes down another 25%.
Thank you for bringing this up, to highlight yet another advantage the Tesla Semi has over diesel semis.
@@BigBen621Unfortunately the world is built from steel and concrete not Fritos.
@@csabo1725 So true, and thank you for pointing this out! And here's a video of a Tesla Semi towing a flatbed trailer carrying exactly that-42,900 lbs. of steel and concrete traffic barriers-accelerating rapidly up a steep grade on Donner Pass, passing a diesel semi as if it were standing still: ua-cam.com/users/liveLtOqU2o81iI?feature=share&t=985
Just like diesel semis, Tesla Semis will often tow loads of light materials that are cubed out-that is, limited by volume, not weight-because that's the load that needs to be delivered. But they are also capable of towing 22 tons in loads that are weighed out, which is not substantially less than what a diesel semi can tow.
This felt more like a PepsiCo/FritoLay commercial than a 16 min Tesla infomercial 😭
That's exactly why PepsiCo bought these trucks.
@@truantray they wanted the clout so bad 😂😂
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You mean 6 min and 10 seconds
Well come on, whose commercial do you want it to be??
PepsiCo not allowing the truck drivers to be interviewed is telling
You just don’t have random staff bark into a camera, that could be catastrophic PR.
That's every company, even the military.
They can't..
free speech
@@officialflorintya especially for Tesla 🤣
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I am a truck driver. We have many trucks that carry far more weight than 80,000 pounds. You solve the weight problem by adding more axles and more wheels to carry the extra weight. The largest cost is the cost of fuel. Elon Musk claims that the Tesla Semi can go 500 miles fully loaded on 1000 kilowatt hours of electricity. The wholesale cost of electricity is currently 7 cents per kilowatt hour. That is a cost of $70 to go 500 miles, fully loaded at 80,000 pounds. Currently I pay over $300 for diesel fuel to go the same distance. That is a significant fuel cost saving. That is what is important to truck drivers. That fuel cost saving makes the Tesla Semi very attractive if the purchase price is only $180,000. I paid $150,000 for my diesel truck. For the fuel cost savings that Elon Musk has promised, I will be delighted to pay $180,000 for the Tesla truck.
Yeah but fixing an electric semi will cost wayyy more than diesel .
what gives you that impression?
@@El_Funky_Habibi Alot less to fix...
Well when my kw comes too tow your electric truck too the shop don't start crying when I give you the towing bill
Sure you are a truck driver. No doubt .
Pepsi's experience in the next 1-2 years will greatly determine the early adoption of the Tesla Semi by other companies with similar requirements. If Pepsi exercises their option to take the remainder of the 100 units, that will be an affirming sign to other potential owners.
Right, if it can handle all the Liquid Weight it should be able to handle anything.
@@BeatBox-nu4oi Literally no authoritative voice is asserting that the Tesla Semi is going to garner the domestic semi-truck market in any foreseeable future. Pepsi has over 11,000 tractors. Pepsi is simply evaluating the Tesla Semi will give them a financial advantage over the semi-trucks in current fleet. If Pepsi expands their fleet of Tesla Semis, others with similar requirements will take note and act accordingly.
PEPSI WILL ORDER THOUSANDS OF THEM I KNOW IT@@douglas-hughes
@@douglas-hughesMostly because electric just simply doesn't have the range. It's probable that we will see hydrogen powered trucks or at least hybrid systems before we see electric. With that in mind, It would be nice if Tesla or anyone really can finally succeed in reducing the cost and emissions of trucking.
@@fastestdino2 Well, as the man himself said, these are specifically for medium haul, mostly at intra-state level. These can’t dethrone the long haul market yet. That needs alternative fuels, as batteries have very low energy density.
I'm not a driver, but I know that in Canada drivers have government regulated daily driving time limits of 10-14 hours per day depending on specific rules you are running under. So taking a 1hr meal break while recharging may not be a problem. Assuming you can find an open charger when you need it.
There are some pretty depressing "road trip" videos by car owners who have to take road trips in small bites as they are guided, and mis-guided, in a wandering route between known charging stations. Where they may encounter broken chargers or wait lines.
All of this has been alleviated from Tesla. Tesla supercharger networks are highly reliable and show the driver how long they have to charge and where, and where is the next charger. It's called the Tesla route planner.
Yep the non operating and backed up charging stations. and longer charging times at them for non Tesla run chargers. The car owners have the same problem. No one mentions the poor cold weather mileage, and the resources it takes to manufacture the vehicles and the batteries which by the way use components that can not be manufactured in the USA due to environmental and safety regulations (all are Chinese owned company's by the way). and also the resources and pollution that's produced to supply the electricity to charge the vehicles!
@@Smellindamix Yes, that is what I've read. The Tesla supercharger network is the largest and best kept. BUT, it naturally focuses on the larger concentrations of people, naturally. The meandering part of my comment came from a story of the experiences of a person travelling the tesla charger network cross country, away from population centers. His was the tale of having to meander from one town to the next, picking up partial charges because it was too far between to skip chargers.
Yes, the story(ies) I read about problems with chargers were about other networks.
"I'm not a driver, but.." should've, could've stopped right there.. opinions - without facts, feelings or ACTUAL experience - are same as farts only not as offensive.
@@tayl0r612 Good to know. Thanks for your update.
Given that EV trucks are 0% of the market, even if they currently can't cover all use cases, there is still a huge market for these.
8:35 Wouldn't say EV trucks are 0% of the market - they even say in the video they also use BYD and Peterbilt electric trucks
@@MiningBlock Also eCanter. They've been rolling around as grocery trucks way before Tesla Semi was taken in by Frito Lays and Pepsi.
for hauling potato chips they sound great, around here they haul stone though....
@@rumls4drinkin Hauling stone isn't a problem. Roughly the same payload capacity as diesel semis.
@@anthonypelchat Frito trucks got 425 miles hauling chips, Pepsi trucks only got 100 miles on the same charge. The payload capacity and range is a huge difference.
Some of these experts are talking out of their butts. Legacy truck companies "know what the customer wants" is identical to legacy car companies "knowing what the customer wants". That theory is dead now. The big challenge is building enough trucks. There's a huge market of companies like Pepsi with fixed routes and self-operated fleets. These fleets also tend to have the highest utilization in urban & suburban areas. This market itself is enough for Tesla (and others) to saturate for several years before targeting true ultra-long haul cross country. A great product, great efficiency and a huge hurdle finally cleared by Tesla (delays).
Also the plus point of Tesla is it's self driving feature. Though not ready, but it's getting better with each update
@@danko5866 And it doesn't need to be perfect. Something like 42,000 people were killed in vehicle accidents in the USA in 2021. People still drive like monkeys and nobody cares. But if a self-driving Tesla is at fault for even 1 (one) fatality, it makes the national evening news. This is complete road apples, and has to stop.
Your absolutely right about legacy car companies “knowing what customers want”. Ford got rid of all cars in their fleet. Result: Record Honda and Toyota sales with millennials.
@@danko5866 I'm not sure how big of an advantage that is, considering that there are much better level 2 systems out there and mercedes have now even been greenlighted to start level 3 trials in specific areas. Similarly, the company even made the statement that the current fsd system is expected to remain level 2 even when it's "complete." I think tesla kinda shot itself in the foot selling a hugely expensive, buggy mess to make a mess out on real live roads, whereas other companies have been more conservative and developed systems that actually do what they promise consistently.
@@TeeFunkable You might want to read up on the Mercedes thing. Only works on specific routes in one state, in specific weather, with a lead car 100m ahead, won't work on a banked freeway, and only works at less than 40mph. In addition the driver can "take their eyes offs the road" but must still be paying attention to take over at any time. It's more of a "technically" level 3 system just to be able to claim that they did it first, which is disappointing to see.
I want to give a shout out to Pepsi for using raised solar panels above their parking lot. Yes! We need to see those EVERYWHERE! Put parking sprawl to work. @6:14
True that. Also the employees cars get to sit in the shade of the panels rather than cook unprotected.
I drove a truck, professionally for 24 years. I stopped 2 years ago and have never regretted that decision.
I retired from trucking in 2019, the over regulation and the money grab from the local governments on BS safety inspections and fines put you at the mercy of the small towns looking for ways to take your money. This technology is pie in the sky for now.
good choice, drivers wont be needed any longer pretty soon
started trucking, expect in finland
@@reggveg no, this technology is operational right now
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl I have 40-plus years in the business and I'm telling you it won't work. The range is limited, and takes too long to recharge, plus the DOT would have to raise the weight limit from 80,000 pounds gross. We don't have the infrastructure to support charging stations. Believe me I wish it would work. In 40 to 50 years maybe but not now. Also, the electric bills for every American will skyrocket. The cost to transport will be astronomical.
450 miles sounds impressive for any EV let alone a big truck.
Not for a truck. These can only be used for short hauls
450 miles is nothing in a big truck.
Those miles only represent a third of your shift.
This country is in trouble.
With drivers waiting for a charge at a truck stop, Grocers are going to be screaming for product.
Think the prices for substance is bad now? Just wait and see.
And watch the real truck drivers walk away from that electric turd.
Sure they may find some school taught worthless steering wheel holder but that wont last long when his family is looking at foreclosure or eviction due to lack of a decent paycheck.
The windmill bone yards wont be able to keep up to the demand when we go totally mother earth worshiping green totalitarian.
AGENDA 2030 is going to be really interesting.
450 miles sounds great, what about the 12hr wait for recharging?
@@ronnieg6358 It’s only 30min smh
@@chidorirasenganz I'm for this electrical age but there are some things to be concerned about. The availability of the chargers is becoming an issue (will be resolved once we get more stations) and reliability of the said stations. Personally think some of these trucks should be hybrid. In the off chance you aren't able to charge your truck, you can fill it up with gas.
Love this channel, these are the types of mini documentaries I like
i think it’s low key one of the best YT channels for these kind of short form docs
@@Mark__ The best. By far. They're doing amazing work!
Yeah, I second that. Also, great pic and name. :D
@@ThompterSHunson @Mark Underscore Bloomberg Quicktake is making great ones, too
@@jupiterjones3789 oh awesome, thanks! Oddly I haven’t been reco’d the Bloomberg one despite watching other Bloomberg channels.
The semis should not have autonomous driving included due to the fact of the danger having an 80,000 pound semi driving down the highway or road with nobody at the controls except someone sleeping behind the wheel.
Historical note:
The steam locomotive industry was over a hundred years old when the diesel electrics were introduced in the 1950’s .
The three biggest steam locomotives companies merged to become Baldwin- Lima- Hamilton.
They and every other steam locomotives company went bankrupt!
All Locomotives are made by GE, EMD or a few small companies none of which ever built steam units.
Just a warning not a prediction….
That does not mean that in the current scenario, battery electric trucks are the ones that are going to win, I see hydrogen trucks as a more realistic solution, even though they don't seem so right now.
Insightful. Similar can happen. Tough as it seems the ICE engine makers are making steps to electrify their designs. So they may have learnt from history. We will see how much.
Diesel-electrics were introduced in the 1930s.
Niche product at first, mostly switchers, due to the lower power available early on.
They didn't get COMMON 'til the 1950s (World War II both hurt by distracting, and helped by pushing technology needed).
@@Cier433 problem with hydrogen is the lack of regenerative braking. This thing can improve energy efficiency a lot... Radically a lot. I think in future trucks and train's all will be with battery
@@andresouza2314 What are you talking about, hydrogen cell vehicles work with electric motors, the hydrogen cell only generates electricity, so it is not that different from a battery electric vehicle, only in the case of those that use a hydrogen cell, the battery it's much less so they would still have the option of making a regenerative system. Let's say you could make a hydrogen cell truck that needed only 10% of the battery capacity than if it were just batteries.
"Their have been some reports that they can't handle the weight or the distance. " By WHO reported this there is only one customer at this time. Frito lay has not said this publicly. THEY ARE JUST MAKING THE STORY UP TO FIT THEIR NARRATIVE.
These pilot trucks are being used to tune the truck. We may see the production trucks release with 4680s.
@Glenn Beattie
Agreed.
There has been some "speculation" by uninformed individuals, starting from a base of..... Guesswork, with certain specifications proven to be completely wrong.
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My opinion?
The battery is much lighter than some say (they based the weight on 18650 cells), the cab size and so weight is much lower and incorrect assumptions were made regarding the weight of the diesel drivetrain, which of course the Tesla doesn't carry. (Even the wheels and tyres are smaller/ lighter!)
My conclusion, it's well with 1000lbs difference.
Yes, there was a lot of pure guesswork, all of against Tesla in this video. Who was the Patagonia shirt guy? All others were identified in the video, but he wasn't and he was the guy literally lying his butt off.
@@rsfpost7501 Yeah, not to mention some of his completely specious reasoning. I loved his spiel about the other, more established truck manufacturers have some big advantage because they've been selling to companies for years.
As if to say that when Tesla brings out a superior, more economical product, the procurement managers at, for example, McDonald's or IKEA are going to say, "Gosh, I'd love to buy an electric semi truck from Tesla, but I don't know how I'd ever do it. I guess I'll call Mercedes and buy one of their trucks instead--even though it only has 60% of the range of the Tesla--because I already have their phone number in my contacts list."
If companies believe they can save money by buying a different product, they'll have no problem switching to a new supplier.
Source of these reports:
Social media comments from people who never even seen the Tesla semi in person or own a Tesla or EV. This is evident since there have been no actual reports and articles from any media, which is something that usually spreads like wild fire once one media source posts even a single negative headline without any real data to back it up.
I'm a trucker, I'd like to drive one, but 650 miles is a regular day for me so the mileage doesn't work. I also team drive with my son so until they can charge these things in less than an hour it wouldn't work for us. But keep it up. I'm definitely not anti-electric, I'm just against the group who thinks this is all you can own and still love this planet!
You’d rather stop more ok makes sense
@Joe Gaston not sure what you mean but I think they're cool. My son and I drive from Durham NC to just outside Dallas TX twice a week, takes us about 19 hours each way, little over a thousand miles. We get to one end or the other, load up, then head the other direction, Tuesday NC, Wednesday TX, Thursday NC, and so on. The electric trucks just can't do that yet, not in the time frame we need, but I'm sure they're working on it ...
Mark, I was pleasantly surprised seeing your comment here. No agenda, just the facts (about the trucking). It’s new tech and they will take the easy market share first. It will be interesting to see what new developments accelerate the adoption.
A year later and still not in production. I think that answers the question in the title.
If Kenworth, Peterbilt, International are already building EV tractors, this isn't "the future" this is right now.
What is today if yesterday is tomorrow SpongeBob? And in all seriousness this is more about a purpose built EV platform and infrastructure. The brands you’ve listed make ev tractors based on internal combustion engine design which significantly limits their capability. They also don’t have or make fast charging infrastructure for this scale of vehicle.
Evs won’t replace diesel engines itself still has an advantage especially with very heavy specialized loads
@@banme2784 The EV is nothing, it's the autonomous driven vehicles that are going to really improve our lives. Imagine no more traffic lights, no speed limits, and roads that don't have to flow in any particular direction! The vehicles will be networked and roll their own "air traffic control" without our intervention. No humans driving means no liability insurance, no traffic cops, no DUI laws. You could tell your truck to take a certain route to a destination and to wake you up half an hour before you arrive, then take a nap. It could even go there without you, maybe drop you off at the lake and pick you up on the way back home. ALL of this will happen, and we can't stop it. Kids today aren't even interested in cars, a lot of them aren't even getting licenses. it's all computers now.
They wont last
@@josephastier7421 while that may sound legitimate, that’s not going to happen. Not in anybody generation that is breathing air as type this as I should say. People are not going to give up their right to drive. Motorcyclist dang sure are not going to give up their right to ride. Bicyclists are not going anywhere. It’s going to need to be all autonomous or none or specific lanes for autonomous commercial vehicles. Every single vehicle on the road being autonomous could be a good thing or could be a very severe bad thing. I don’t see no in between honestly.
Where EV semis will save the most of is maintenance and downtime due to maintenance.
One factor nobody considers is average speed.
The Tesla wil achieve, *then maintain* it's speed over a distance.
That could allow either a faster trip, or more rest time for the driver (and charge "splash and dash"! for the truck)
@@rogerstarkey5390 Also EV performance doesn't degrade at high altitude.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Faster acceleration requires more energy and these trucks absolutely do not have energy stores to spare.
@@zaidpatel8695 supercharger. like the helis that can go to everest.
It will save on fuel costs big time, electricity is so much cheaper than diesel fuel. On a cost per mile basis you can't beat an EV, this is the underlying reason ICE is going to die real quick, give it 10-15 yrs.
Pepsi has confirmed 36 semi’s! Working there way to 100, explains “pilot production”
gotta start somewhere! time to charge em all with solar 😅
@@mho... I own a very large solar company. The size of the array required to supply the 800+kW peak demand of this battery is absolutely monstrous. Solar can slowly help fill a battery that powers this but in absolutely no way is it feasible to charge a truck off solar
@@mattbrew11 they claim that they have 2mv of solar and 2.7 mv h of storage in that fritolay facility - is it enough to achieve anything? Or they mostly just use all this for "being green" pr ?
@@seowebua those numbers seem misaligned but yeah you could charge the trucks off it.
@@mattbrew11 While you could charge directly from solar, it would be best to charge a stationary pack like the Tesla Megapacks or other's versions and then discharge when needed. A single megapack could cover more than 4 full charges when fully charged, though normally 6-8 typical charges. And that's when the sun is shining and recharging it. You have to deal with some efficiency losses, but it's far better overall.
Wouldn’t let people who drive them speak 🗣️
😂😂😂 tells you everything about the situation
I do see a benefit of having the local delivery and port vehicles being EV for the sole fact of not emitting all of the exhaust fumes into the air. I hope it works. I do not see EV vehicles being used for cross country shipments. At least not for a long while.
What will be needed for that to work?
@@litshackblink I’m an over-the-road driver (3000+ miles a week) and I agree it’s going to take a long while. They touch on it at 11:00. The infrastructure required is HUGE. On par with the building of the railroad and national highway system.
you make your own parking out there a lot, which is fine sometimes. But its only really ok bc you are never really stranded if you can get fuel. I imagine the first few ev's that roll out charging will be baked into the route. But sometimes when you are just out there, you don't want to stop your day for several hours just to charge.
Hyliion Hypertruck ERX has 1000+ mile range runs on waste and Net Carbon Negative. Easy Win
@@litshackblink Green Electric Trains
At about 10:30:
I know what fleet buyers want: Lowest Total Cost of Ownership.
How hard was that?
If Tesla offers that, they'll sell a lot of trucks.
Seems to me without doing any calculations, that Tesla Semi is going to be much less to operate. Cost per mile is going to be much cheaper than diesel. Also much less maintenance on the truck once any kinks, are worked out. I’m guessing the actual nos. are going to quickly make diesels a thing of the past, not hard to project. The mass arrival of 4680 batteries is also going to be very significant.
It’s only going to get better!
I don’t drive anymore but still have my CDL and I’d love to drive one of these if they worked properly. A lot of old school truckers are stuck in their ways but I don’t see the problem if they become reliable.
They already hate it bc it’s not a long hood Pete or kw. Those kinds of drivers are what I hate most about this industry so far. Sure a cascadia or a Volvo might not look cool but I’m getting paid to drive not look cool. I personally would love to drive a Tesla semi just to see what it’s like.
The battery requirement for a semi is very heavy and reduces the load capacity to about 9 tons for a 80000 lbs truck.
I do drive still and I hope this fails….Sorry but I see the end game here. To remove the driver completely and throw 2.2 million people out of work
@@dant.3505
_The battery requirement for a semi is very heavy and reduces the load capacity to about 9 tons_
Actually about 22 tons, but who's counting?
@@BigBen621 the gross weight of the tractor of an electric EV is substantial compared to a diesel rig.
With a legal limit of 80000 lbs. The weight of the tractor will reduce what can legally be loaded. It doesn't leave much legal load.
Edit- the 22 tons you mention only leaves 36000 lbs for the empty weight of the rig. That's about right for a typical diesel rig. But a EV battery rig with acceptable range will be much heavier than a diesel rig. The empty weight of a EV truck is very heavy.
The into made me crave Cheetos. Good marketing Frito Lay... Good marketing..
It was MF DOOM doing from the shadows of his retirement
The one speaker told viewers that diesel trucks produce more power…going with Tesla’s numbers vs. What diesel truck OEMs show as their own, is a stark contrast to what was pushed here. Tesla’s touted power is substantially higher.
From the context I guess what he me actually meant was die _energy_ density of diesel fuel vs. that of batteries.
People mix up power and energy all the time :-/
Power means NOTHING in a truck. Accelerating is meaningless.
You have been drinking the Koolaid.
@@Chris.Davies However, _torque_ does count for a truck. And that's where an electric drivetrain really shines.
15:00 "Given the total costs of operation is significantly more beneficial than for ICE vehicles. I'd say by the end of the decade at least 50% of the commercial fleets will be electrified." I think this is the critical statement. Semi Trucks have such regular and costly maintenance and repairs it's not going to take very long for owners/operators to see the clear benefit of EVs. (The Tejon Pass 4414' on the Modesto to Southern California I - 5 route. Instead of burning fuel going up (possibly overheating) and then burning expensive brakes going back down. The Tesla Semi on the descent regains almost all the energy used climbing. It's as though the mountains were not even there.)
And the final word, "We're not there yet." When was that last said about the electric car? Something else amazing about Musk is not just that he promises and then delivers, but that he gets his idea and product across. Thomas Kuhn in the Progress of Scientific Revolutions made a convincing case that new science is never accepted until the old guard dies or retires - doesn't matter how powerfully the case is made. Within a year or two of the introduction of the Model 3 everything changed. Sure many OEM vehicle company CEOs were replaced -- but not by EV supporters. What has changed is that every OEM is now scrambling as quickly as they can to electrify their vehicle lines. (And the U.S. tax credit which gives hybrids the same status as BatteryEV, I don't think has slowed this transition.)
And good one CNBC. I've been critical of a lot that you do. This report is top notch, well researched.
“It’s as though the mountains aren’t even there” LOL I guess you didn’t do well in physics class AT ALL, did you?
@@Johnfisher12345 Actually you’re the one who didn’t pay attention in physics class. Yes, it takes more power to go up the mountain, but the truck literally recaptures almost all of that power. When you go up the mountain and then back down, the net battery drain is almost identical to what it would be if the mountain weren’t there. So yes, it literally is as if the mountain isn’t there.
Yes, a good video overall, though they didn’t hit back on the critics as much as I think they should have. The claimed 500 mile range takes the battery down to 0, which is stupid, so a 425 mile route is totally expected. The guy also claimed that diesel trucks put out more power for their weight. Ok, but the Tesla semi puts out sooooo much more power overall. And all the energy it outs into getting that mass moving can be recovered when you brake.
@@timwildauer5063 You're dreaming.
Agreed with everything up till "This report is top notch, well researched". Nope, they filled it with FUD
I mean media come on, you used to say same kind of negative things when Tesla cars hitted roads..
I will look on positive things that they can actually deliver a truck..thts a good thing..
Just like all products things will improve over time..
Not sure what the commentator meant about the power of a diesel vs electric on a weight basis, and compromises. AFAIK, diesel wins on range but suffers on both low-end torque and maximum acceleration and speed.
The only "range" an Electric Semi needs is "more than the driver"
Currently, ONE Electric Semi achieves that.
(Starts with "T", ends with "esla")
I assume the commentator has never traveled in an electric train.
I'm not sure maximum acceleration and speed are at the top of a trucking company's wish list.
I guess they meant sustaining that weight over a longer range. Diesel truck gives you 1400 miles of range on a full tank of gas while electric only gives you 400 miles of range on a single charge. Still a long way to go. Plus, an hour to charge up and get close to 350 miles of range from a substation versus 15 minutes to fill a diesel truck and get 1400 miles of range. Just Ridiculous.
Add in hill climb and descent and see if a diesel truck gets 1400 miles. As long as the battery outlasts the driver your critique is ridiculous... unless you are promoting a trucker who has ben awake for 21 hours.
I feel like some of this segment was recorded before first delivery and actual real world data of the Tesla semi. It's on the road now. And it works.
Yes, it works. But I was expecting to see updated specs, real world results, and prices, once the semis were delivered. I get the impression that everyone is under an NDA, and this isn’t an actual product yet.
@@kevinbailey8827 - What do you mean by 'actual product yet'? Production has already started but at slow rate since they just started in past month or two. So far only about 39 have been made for Pepsi on their 100 Semi order. Giga factory Nevada is being expanded for Semi and 4860 battery production.
@@Chainyanker007 I mean they’re getting ready to produce it, but these are still essentially prototypes. They aren’t ready yet to put them out for independent reviews and head to head comparisons with their competitors. They wouldn’t even allow interviews with the drivers.
@@kevinbailey8827 - No, they are not ‘getting ready to produce it’ they are already in production, the Semis are not prototypes. Production speed is gradually ramping up as is true for all new models, Teslas included.
@@Chainyanker007 Months after the official production of the Model 3, Tesla was still building parts of it by hand, and the finished product was only being delivered to employees who weren’t allowed to talk freely about their cars.
Officially, the Semi is in production. I agree. I just think the units delivered so far are missing some features that are supposedly to be in the production version. If so, they are defective. Or prototypes.
The Tesla trucks looks so good 👍
You can mould plastic into any shape you like. Does that make it a better truck?
@@ronnieg6358 if it reduces coefficient of drag, yes it really does.
@@SuperCatbert - Make a typical diesel semi look outdated, which it will soon be if not already.
@@ronnieg6358 yes. forgetting about the drag of the vehicle, the shape can have a drastic effect on efficiency and range
as a driver and in the game for 23 years now , i can tell you that the guys sitting in a office chair and a desk will never know a truck drivers day to day workflow they can assume a lot of things just by looking but never ever ever will they nail it because they are not actually hands on. now said that i can see this truck helping us alot because this is not an overnight cabin , so its 1 day pick up and drop off truck i really like that i dont do overnighters in my diesel truck because i dont like them but this truck fits perfectly to mee if i could buy one to start my own fleet i will do ot no questions ask
Tesla owner here: Price volatility still exist for electric car. If you have a Tesla you would see that certain chargers charge more and the price would also differ at different times (night/morning or even night/morning/afternoon). I still like the car but there's more to it, its not all a dream. Be wary of absolutist, shades of gray exist in everything.
I think we can make the case that we are in early days for EVs in general. The narrative can change based on who ends up crafting it. We need to support and encourage companies who drive the best case.
Looking for improvement not perfection dude 😮
I’m curious how they will charge them all with the incredibly overwhelmed California power grid.
its called solar ..
@@flodjod the grid itself the problem, not the energy being required to run it. all electricity is being run through larges wires and they are old and at capacity, john oliver made a good video on it
The power demand is bad from 12 noon to 8 PM night. 12 noon time can sometimes be filled with solar but night is when the grid may fail. Thus they cut power to heavy users like that like a low rate like car charging and AC users to keep hospitals and police stations running. Elon has also made these T battery banks for charge station to level out some of the surge demands. I think I see about 20 wall chargers good for 800,000 KW or one truck reserve.
Maybe they should have updated the power grid before adding all these power needs to begin with. Seems forced. California will just unrightfully shut people’s power off to accommodate. Solar isn’t going to fix anything either, especially when it’s cloudy and rainy, windy. People don’t understand that dust on the solar panels will drastically reduce its performance. Think it’s the key to all their problems when it clearly doesn’t work. Same with wind energy. I drive by the wind farms all the time in California and only see a few spinning ever. Too much maintenance, not enough support. Most are broken down. Waste of tax payer dollars. It’s all a scam.
Overall, less energy would be required. Using a EV power chain uses less joules of energy than a ICE powertrain would due to the losses of conversion, heat, transportation and transmission. But sure, the grid either needs to expand, or companies should invest in local energy storage and production (solar/wind, with batteries) to power their fleet. Anyway, its a long term investment, that gains them in the long run.
Fun fact: those battery Peterbilts are actually rebadged DAF trucks.
It’s not a DAF truck. All the powertrain was developed, fabricated and installed in the US. Although I understand your confusion, as the cab is similar to the one of the DAF LF truck. It’s not a rebadge.
FUN FACT - all the other , so called Compedators ALL have shorter range Trucks , that are SLOWER, and can haul LESS cargo.
@@markplott4820 Stop with the Tesla propaganda & Trolling its tiresome already....
@@michaelsamuel9917
Not propaganda if true.
The arrival of the freaking *Tesla* semi tractor was bound to upset people. They try to FUD the technology in some pretty funny ways, when the fact is that disruptive technologies frighten a certain type of person.
I have personally wrapped over 500 frito lay box trucks. This is awesome to watch
Everything you need to know about corporations is clear as day when they said they were not allowing interviews with the drivers.
i think it was the right choice and should be allowed at a later stage, not at the start, it would just spread misinformation.
this is the start and it will be like every other start covered in hiccups until it runs perfect like electric cars nowadays.
@John Smith
Can't possibly reveal that "misinformation" aka inconvenient truths.
Can’t wait to see this on Ice Truckers
Yoss.
Evs don’t perform well in freezing temps.
@@Seacai150 They do if they have heat pumps.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@neeljavia2965 how long have you had your Tesla and do you live in Alaska?
A million mile guarantee! Bold! I like it and would be willing to drive this rig!
Before def, trucks made way more than 1mm miles with the origonal engine and some newer trucks still do if you keep a head of the maintenance schedule... So that's not much of a guarantee, it will take a little over 6 years to know if it's true.
You won't get the chance once it drives itself
@@MyLifeTheStruggle1 Actually you can get a certification for autonomous trucks, which I plan to get. So yes I will because AI can't handle specific tasks such as where many flatbeds go. Ie construction areas in the middle of nowhere.
@@MyLifeTheStruggle1 planes fly themselves, still need pilots
@@TheBuddillaIt’s only a matter of time before you’re obsolete as a driver. Nothing new, just progress.
I’m a truck driver. And it’s OBVIOUS why they didn’t let the drivers talk. Cause they’ll tell the truth
truck drivers hwere interviewed by tesla fans, their main complaints are around mirror placement, not bad for the companies first truck.
Will be interesting to see how long these last. Like what happens when you have to replace batteries etc? Is it affordable?
With a million mile guarantee it should last a while
with the arrival of the million plus mile battery that becomes a non worry
@@flodjod Does that exist now?
Lithium batteries are very recyclable and are worth about 1/3 of original value when used.
@@menotyou1234 Right. But currently for a Tesla 3 for example you are looking at about $15 - $20,000 for a replacement pack. AND only Tesla can do it if you want a warranty etc. With a Credit for your current pack you are looking at almost $15,000. Thats more then the cost of almost every full car I have ever bought.
If they couldn’t interview the drivers that should tell you everything Lmfaoooo
My guess is the drivers don't like all the tracking tech, cameras, ect inside the vehicle. You may have also noticed it only has one seat. How will they pick up a prostitute at a truck stop in that?
its cnbs, what do you expect?
This truck is basically an advanced development vehicle, which Tesla will refine over this year. by next year, it will be available widely.
Of course not. There is no infrastructure for EV trucks yet. These are only going to be used for local runs. Otr EV trucks will take a while
Considering the energy storage problem electricity is likely to become dramatically cheaper provided charging can be done at times of high supply and low demand (e.g. middle of the day or middle of the night), batteries are also likely to continue becoming cheaper.
It sounds like the business case for the electric trucks is already there but it is also likely to become better over time, same for EV's.
I still think we'll see the Tesla Semi hooked up overnight at car supercharger locations, either using a dedicated Megacharger at very low power, or to existing "end of row" V3 chargers using an adapter so supply about 120kW over 8 hours (plus "hookup" for driver and trailer use!)
That immediately provides a nationwide "network" of currently underutilised sites.
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Tesla also announced "Lounges" being built in Europe to provide facilities for drivers.
Expect a similar announcement in the US, perhaps at the investor event?
Perfect for a truck driver sleeping over?
Would see a lot of truck lots seeking to add mega chargers to their sites as part of parking spots so while you sleep or rest it's topping up.
I would suggest that you look up nickel and lithium prices of the last 5 years.
Prices are up not down.
Whats for most logistic company important is haul capicity.
Given that a tesla semi can haul only about 1/4 of a Diesel truck it has a massive disadvantage.
This means more trips, more and longer „fueling“ times and more labour.
Electric trucks make sense in a city or maybe long haul with low weight material.
However you can do that with a diesel truck as well and that gives owners a flexibility.
The point is every technologie has advantages and disadvantages.
I still don‘t see any financial advantage of electric truck for logistic.
Only a nice „advertisement“ for companies who want to show how enviromentaly causcious they are.
Aaany way if Diesel trucks get banned freight will get more expensive which in the end the common people will pay.
If that‘s worth it anyone can decide by their own.
If the demand continues to grow for both cars and trucks due to battery resources, they will rise rather than go down. Unless there is a great advance in terms of battery capacity, I see a commitment to hydrogen for trucks as more convenient.
@@Slithermotion They can haul a lot more than 1/4 - at least 60% and more likely 75% - even on weight-limited loads.
A lot more even on COMMON volume-limited loads.
But the technology remains niche for now - 'til the RECHARGING situation changes dramatically.
1:54 The issue of the trucks breaking down was due to a minor software issue. It's totally normal for brand new products to have a few issues.
Care to explain the entire Tesla lineup then? They are always on the bottom for reliability along with other EV's. There's also some other issues but that's a lot more than I feel like typing.
@@loganmatthias5038 Yes, The tesla car fleet is notorious for reliability issues, generally surrounding build quality, but the issues with the semi were software related and could be fixed by a software upgrade. Issues are common in brand new products.
Remember when Bill Gates told everyone that Elon was dreaming because electric semi-trucks were scientifically impossible?
He’s shorting tesla stock he wants it to fail
Yes he and some others did say that.
The once in a century infrastructure investment is a really good perspective that I think many, including myself have not considered. Looking back and seeing what we have achieved with the highways and railroads, a wide scale grid update seems achievable.
Yes, it's the main competitive advantage of tesla IMO. I'm so disappointed other car manufacturer did such a poor job with chargers across the US.
They were forced to use the money to build a charging infrastructure because of "Dieslgate". I think it shows that it wasn't their choice, it's not competitive, it doesn't last, and it's not the best distribution across the states.
It's disgusting that they took it as a profit driven adventure while it's supposed to be their punishments. But u they loose money on every car and don't make up the money in maintenance so you have to recoup somewhere..
As long as Tesla plays ball with the charging standards being created. Otherwise, we're gonna have a situation where charging stations have like twenty different hookups and it's a nightmare.
Considering that we already have a pretty good electrical infrastructure across the country adding charging stations is just like adding access points to something that’s already there.
@@teslaliving4924 we actually have terrible power infrastructure, not as bad as Japan though. Early adopter syndrome.
@@z-beeblebrox Tesla is the leader in EV technology. It is up to the government to get involved and set the standards . Which I think they just did siding with Tesla system as the standard. Not 100% sure thou. I think we also need to invest in nuclear power .
I found it odd that the one guy said EV's aren't as powerful as diesel. Diesel electric trains exist because electric motors are more powerful than diesel.
I wonder why there aren't diesel electric hybrid trucks.
@@ross_ulbright7779 cost and weight I imagine.
@@ross_ulbright7779 Prius style diesel electric hybrid vehicles exist, but mainly in shorter distance vehicles where there’s a lot of start/stop going on since the electric motor kicks in from a stop and the diesel kicks in once up to speed. Long haul vehicles tend to be at highway speeds a high % of the time so, they’d mainly be using the diesel motor. Even in the diesel electric trains, the goal is not economy nor environmental. It’s literally because a diesel motor just isn’t powerful enough to get the train moving.
That guy has ignored fact. TeSemi tri-motors produce > 1,800 horsepower.
Using Fusion to cleanly generate electricity is the future so electric vehicles of all kinds will follow. Battery advancements will take care of mileage concerns. Ice vehicles will be used as collectibles…horses didn’t go away when they were replaced…they will still be a small part of our lives.
I'd be much more impressed if I could get basic information on specs like the actual tare weight of the truck.
Since it's the 2170 cell version of the truck, it's likely going to be replaced by the lighter 4680 cell version, so they don't want to publish a weight that's not finally when they can shave half a ton or more.
Yeah, I think we would all like that info. We'll get it ... but seems its going to take some time.
It seems odd that they are hiding this info.
Decades ago, when asked about the performance of their cars, Rolls Royce would consistently issue the same statement.
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"Sufficient".
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Nuff said.
@@LordandGodofUA-cam
It's essentially none of our business.
People like to say it won't work over the road but it would work really good for shuttle drivers . 200 miles out and back. Which a lot of large trucking do. And mega charger stations will be are easier to put in than a truck stop. noise or pollution from idling truck.
How about OTR.
Sleeper cab (why not?)
450 miles, (about 7 hours at 65 mph),
Driver stop (300 miles added at a megacharger, that's 350 remaining).
4 hours remaining driver time ?
That's ±260 miles at 65 average (which the Tesla can maintain over terrain)
60 miles range remaining.
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Total range 450+260= ±710 miles (max load)
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Truck stops at a V3 charge location.
It's "off peak" time.
No cars (or few) are on site.
The location has a "Semi bay" behind the car chargers on the opposite side to the cars.
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Picks a (V3) charger, plugs in with an adapter.
The driver sets a timer.
The system modulates the charge at ±120-130kW (half the charger capability) for about 7-8 hours.
This charges the truck to 95% if at high elevation (leaves a Regen buffer) or 99% if on flat terrain, the timer completes the charge 10 minutes before the departure time set by the driver.
The charger also provides onboard hookup for the driver (heating, cooking?) and the trailer if required. (Silent power!)
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Tesla installs user Lounges (being done in Europe) for car drivers during the day, truckers 24 hours, with basic food/ drink service, maybe showers depending on access status?
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This is based on max load.
Ranges will increase with lighter loads.
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Feasible?
@@rogerstarkey5390 As someone who spent a lifetime in logistics, I appreciate reading ideas from those who think about how to make something work rather than the "This is @#$%# impossible crowd." I think you are on the right track but it will take some time to make progress on that front. More than 50% of freight moved is local and regional such as the 400 miles or less indicated by the Pepsi rep in the video. This will be less complex to set up with trucks coming back to home base each day and will be the focus initially. It will still keep Tesla and other Semi EV's busy for years to build out that network first and then the OTR freight will follow.
@@rogerstarkey5390 I don't think the current V3 supercharger sites made for EVs are compatible with semis because the maneuvering space wouldn't be enough for multiple semis.
TESLA recently added 8 Megachargers to FRESNO , CA to support Operations.
Yep. All the pollution should be kept around the nat gas or coal power plant. That is where the poor and largely minority people live. Let them deal with the effects of the pollution.
Going thru the comments, come back in two decades when these are purchased on a large scale.
I’ve seen a few Nikola 18 wheelers. It was wild hearing nothing but fans running but no engine noise. Even crazier was watching the fully loaded 18 wheeler pull off like a car.
Could you ask the drivers how many parts are made by GM versus Nikola?
Pretty sure they signed an NDA anyways...
@@johntheux9238GM doesn’t supply any parts for Nikola’s trucks
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13:18 excuse me who told this man that an diesel engine has a better power to weight ratio than an electric one?
The electric engine is a lot smaller than the diesel and cranks a lot more power out.
How about including the battery pack weight?
Good work PepsiCo and Tesla!
Not a fan of Elon Musk, but the semi is pretty freaking cool
It's half the performance in weight of diesel with 1/4 of the distance at full tank of the high end tanks (total of 300 gallons of diesel).
The only positive they have is that they can be charged with renewable energy which if you have solar panels is cheaper in the long run but other than that the tech is not quite there... this video is mostly tesla and Frito lay propaganda
I'm a local driver for a mega carrier arm, i expect to see electric replace a good portion of the home daily drivers sooner than later. Its really gonna come down to reliability though, if they start hitting the roads and are rolling fine it will switch quickly. If not its going to be long and drawn-out.
Yep, it's just a matter of time. Though, don't expect Tesla to produce meaningful numbers this year. It will scale to a few hundreds, but the real scale will happen in a year or two, like with the model Y and 3.
i haul milk locally. it's farm loading and plant delivery. we are on overweight permits, and everything here is hills. i drive a 2022 T880 X15 cummins 565 hp and an 18 speed manual. this ugly thing isnt going to be replacing my X15 powered beast. it simply wont have an stamina with the weight or the hills. it wont be hauling construction equipment, windmill generator heads (LOL), blacktop, concrete, dirt, stone, water, fuel or anything that's on an overweight permit...... which is ALLOT of local trucking.
Agree with you.
That said, I own a Tesla. Haven't had to do ANY maintenance other than changing tires and adding wiper fluid for 5 years. I think reliability is generally better because the electric drivetrain has no fluids. It's much simpler.
The problem might be repairs when you need them. Like say non reliability issues like accidents. You can really only go to Tesla service centers.
Reliability should be a LOT better. Very few movable parts, lesser wear and tear, more life expectancy..
Why wouldn't they let them interview the drivers? I mean, their feedback should be priority at this moment.
Tesla will pull back the curtain when the truck enters production. These are pre production units, I am sure it is upgrading the truck to make it more robust.
This was an excellent report, thank you for all the balanced and factual information. I agree with Sumanth Aluri, (comment below from 8 days ago) it would have been good to include driver comments in the report.
I drive a truck and would love to drive one. It will never replace an ICE truck but there are many applications that electric will work great if you ever figure out where you are going to get all that electricity.
To be fail, a LOT of diesel tractors are well over $100,000 and have been for a while.
Even occasional recent low-miles used examples will sometimes exceed $200,000 (browse Kenworth T2000 listings sometime among others).
That's a consequence of capitalist monopolization and profit-seeking, not a realistic analysis of the actual cost of tractors. Any realistic cost analysis would include total agriculture government subsidies into the equation, after accounting for how most of the subsidies go to massive agricultural corporations and suppliers, rather than actual farmers. If the government were to instead nationalize the industries it's propping up, and directly provide those subsidies to actual farmers that own actual farms, it would be a radically different situation. But, no, America exists to serve the shareholder class, instead of actual working class people that do actual work.
@@RosscoAW How does that affect the cost of diesel (or other) tractors?
Owner-operators and fleet operators don't get "agricultural subsidies".
You're sounding FAR too Communistic with your "complaint" and statement.
As if Europe does NOT provide even MORE subsidies than the USA does.
5 yrs is not bad. Impressive really. Starting from 0 in an unfamiliar industry, 5 yrs is impressive. Now to work out the quirks operationally and production-wise and then, in Tesla style, fly away. Should be interesting to see how they work this out and the market share they grab.
A LIGHTER BATTERY pack is crucial. Hopefully, that will be eng'd by someone soon, otherwise, go for natural gas.
I am not an engineer, but these trucks need a heavy load cantered around the front.
Tesla fanboy?
By Tesla Style do you mean leaving the quirks and letting customers deal with it, like they do with their cars?
@@michaellivingston6768 Tesla style in this context means a production system of continuous improvement. Every year hundreds of small and large changes are done to the cars being built. I'm guessing they'll do the same for the semis.
@@truthalonetriumphs6572dude said if Tesla can’t meet their demands then go for natural gas.
Read better next time
The fact that they didn't let them talk to the drivers says a lot. I wouldn't say that was a good sign.
Nah that's just CNBC
I agree, I wonder if Tesla might have required something like a NDA
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.. HUGE red flag!
@@sergios4240 I would say 100% chance.
@Zigest - Thank you for taking the time out of your busy CEO day for that gem! : )
"Potato chips are made with a lot of air"
Glad we can all agree
So it took Tesla a really long time to deliver the first Semi. Announced in 2017, with a target of 2019, but delayed until 2022. I wonder what happened in that time? I seem to remember something with the number 19 in its name…😂😂😂
Did not have enough batteries to start doing this. Also the new trimotor plaid motor system that they have ended up with was needed to get the power and efficiency required. The 4 X model 3 motors that they started with was not such a good solution.
Tesla is always delayed because theyre new to the markets. If only there were other truck/vehicle manufacturers that already had rolling frames that could do this first... but who owns em? Big oil baby.
Musk always overpromises then Tesla engineers have to work very hard to try to make it happen. They just did not know how to meet the promised specs when the thing was announced. It’s a case of selling the lawn then looking for the grass seed.
Real life happened. I'm sure you've had your own setbacks in your life that delayed your plans too.
If no one tries, no progress will be made.
Compared to automotive OEM 'experts' on automotive production - 5 years is a miracle.
"One key thing to remember is from the day the design director first puts his idea on paper to the day Job 1 or first customer car is produced it will take 5 - 10 years. Honestly speaking, I’ve never worked on any project that has run on the projected time plan. Honestly never. Doesn't matter how many cars, if it’s 100 McLarens or 30,000 Land Rovers. No project I’ve worked on ever ran as per the plan. It was always delayed."
Raghav Jaswal - Automotive Designer for McLaren, Jaguar, Land Rover, Bentley, on Quora.
For those that keep complaining about product delays from Tesla, forget the fact that two years of pandemic and supply chain nightmares really put a wrench on getting new products to the market across the board for every manufacturer.
2017 was a little before covid lol... 3 years.
@@solominded covid started in 2019
Thank you. Idiots completely forgot how covid changed the world and completely out businesses out of play...
5-10 YEARS IS THE OEM TIME FRAME FOR NEW MODELS
The one thing I learned from Elon is promise Great then to deliver way off schedule so that people forget all the big promises made earlier.
You can put it that way, but another way would be, promise impossible feats, and be merely late on the delivery of them.
Its for a reason called Elon Musk Timeline, everyone who is well familiar with him knows that he overpromise. I think he said in one interview that he overpromise to create excitement. If you work on something even as a normal worker, its much more excitingto know that this product come out relatively soon rather than in 2030, 2040 or 2050.
@Sebastian Orye
Lol. Like his fully automated self driving vehicles?
So, it's a day cab doing local deliveries. This could've been done with box trucks, my guy. 😂😂😂
sick Tesla ad. I like the part where he said he wants these to replace trains.
Rail is running to maximize it's profits. It is now running longer trains which make more money but don't fit on sidings. This means less freight. They can't be depended on to handle more freight.
Sure. That might happen but trains are awfully efficient - more so than any EV on the market today.
I don't think Tesla will hit 50k Semis in 2024 but I do think they hit the run rate for it in Q4 2024
No they won't. Woke Pepsi bought the semis because of a tax credit
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Should have developed a Box Truck as well
Yeah, that's much better, especially for food, light consumer products, etc.
One thing at the time.
@@austinhernandez2716 those things are already optimised lol!!! There are all kinds of trailers for different applications out there! From refrigerated to open/semi open….
It’ll probably be easy for them to just refit the body for it. Just like the 3 and Y share the same chassis. They’re probably figuring out both at the same time. Just a guess though.
@@greg7920 No, they make a mock-up out of a toilet paper, dry it up and use it a piñata for Cinco de mayo. Just a guess though.
Swappable batteries are the only viable solution for present battery tech. I don't see the tech improve enough any time soon to make the in-vehicle batteries as they are used now viable. There is such a tremendous load of problems with that, which are basically impossible to overcome, such as grid loads, fire hazard, charge times, weight, availability of raw materials just to name a few.
_There is such a tremendous load of problems with that, which are basically impossible to overcome_
All of these have, in fact, been overcome. So there's that...
@@BigBen621 Have they now huh, Einstein? You should know, I am an electrical engineer, with almost 50 years of experience, and let me blow your little bubble here, the problems have not at all been mitigated. There is a proposal in Switzerland to ban EVs due to grid insecurity, there are fires in ships that could have been prevented if only the cars would not have had their little bombs on board, there is weight, a raw materials crisis, an energy crisis, huge cues at charging stations, huge charge times etc etc etc. There is waaay not enough capacity at this point in terms of power stations to power all the EVs required to replace all Ice, and more than 95% of all global electrical power still comes from burning coal. Your turn....
What I love about musk is that he never lies, musk is the most honest person ever.
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Thanks I enjoyed that 🤣👍🏼🤣
@@Kodakcompactdisc its true his aspergers syndrome autism makes it impossible for him to lie, he is brutally honest.
Lol. Yes, and he always delivers on his promises and claims. Like:
* Tesla will achieve "full self driving next year" (next year never comes).
* 1 million Tesla robotaxis on the road by 2020
* will send his Mars spaceship on short trips by 2019
* Hyperloop (say no more)
If trucking company's and other truck manufactures really new what drivers wanted and needed they would not have so much trouble getting and keeping drivers. So much for the "Big Dogs"!
That the drivers weren't allowed to be interviewed just kinda says it all.
Maybe because Pepsi and Tesla do not trust journalists. I have been interviewed by several media in my life (journals and television) and at the end since the journalist decide what to show he is making the story.
What is says is that Tesla and the company have a NDA that will last while they are running pre production trucks. When the production line opens they will pull back the curtains.
The real solution is to stop trucking around unhealthy sugar drinks. Best to drink tap water instead. Much less expensive too.
Frankly, I'm impressed by this report by CNBC. In the past their reporters have been, err... quite biased in some of their presentations regarding Electric Vehicles (EV's) However, I found this to be a well balanced report. Of course there are pros and cons of a new product and it is important we, the viewing public and potential customers, are made aware of these.
For small trucking firms, the initial capital expense of transitioning to EV (or other alternative fuel vehicles) is quite daunting and, for some, impossible to implement. I'm very happy that Pepsi is the "testing" company rather than dozens of small operators attempting to be the trending initial users. ie Get the problems sorted out first, then the open market.
I agree that 50,000 in 2024 seems to be a tad optimistic. However, the future looks bright for EV trucks from a number of Companies. Plus, of course, the Tesla version looks particularly attractive. Leading the market! Thanks guys. Cheers.
Agreed. I follow CNBC's channel because their journalism is pretty good. They actually report facts good and bad, although like most outlets they tend to spend a lot of the time on the potential negatives because that creates better engagement. I'm ok with that since most of the time the results and determination of engineers to get the job done speak will lead to a better future if we keep an open mind.
megachargers with megapacks of batteries to support/stabilize the grid be welcome everywhere
Not by the execs that run said companies
@@probox88 (batteries are the best of peakerplants )
1:20 - Talking about California, but showing the UK.
I am impressed with the investment in the technology from Pepsico, and the number of manufacturers involved in the EV revolution
We need more power plants, a lot more charging stations, more frequent highway repaving. All of above need to be discussed before we are asking truck industries to change to electric trucks. Are current lithium batteries production and disposal carbon neutral?
_Are current lithium batteries production and disposal carbon neutral?_
No, they're not. But they achieve lifetime carbon neutrality within about the first year of operation.
Tesla & Pepsi Co have GOT to get together & get a scale model or toy of the Pepsi & FritoLay Tesla Semi's put out!!!
Just make a deal with a toy maker to do that. That will take care of development,production and marketing.
Tesla toy vehicles 🚗
Even 400 miles is mindblowing the fact that we even have this in our reality right now is mindblowing but you guys are like oh my gosh it's not going 500 miles
So Pepsi doesn't want to run them down to zero percent on a regular basis, I can get that. Still has a 500 mile range.
400 miles is not mind-blowing when hauling POTATO CHIPS. This is just a publicity stunt by Musk that coincidentally starts with the lightest possible cargo to volume ratio. Next video: Styrofoam factory?
Because conventional trucks with 200 gal plus capacity run 12-1500 miles before refueling. So that's in consideration.
Yard dogs, like @6:24, electric rigs make a lot of sense. Inter-local and local, electric rigs make a lot of sense (take off the sleeper and shorten the frame). Last mile smaller box, electric makes a lot of sense (I see Rivian box for Amazon at times now). All of these scenarios allow these vehicles to run in their respective range window daily. Issue here, though, is current recharge source. If delivering throughout the day, cannot take advantage of optimum solar window, which is midday, meaning a storage of some kind until evening charge or having two rigs (one charges throughout the day, other is used throughout the day), else recharging at night via wind/fossil fuel sourcing is needed. Would solar panels on the box tops be a cost effective range enhancer?
I applaud Tesla for taking a stab right at the center of heavy transportation, meaning OTR. Charging location and sourcing will work themselves out over time, just like what happened in the early 1905 to 1920 timeframe during the heavy transition from horse to horseless.
What I would like to see, for grins and giggles, is a current diesel Class 8 (80k) and a Tesla (82k) run west out Denver on I-70 to Salina, UT (450 miles one way; could the Tesla make it to Salina without stopping to charge) and back, and then compare cost per mile and average speed. Would love to see how the Tesla compares to the current diesel Class 8 over Eisenhower, Vail, the San Rafael Swell and Salina Canyon.
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It is fair to ask when an electric truck will be as good as a diesel. but
It is also fair to ask when a diesel will be as good as an electric truck.
Both have strong points but the electric trucks are the first ever and the diesel is long in the tooth. With better batteries which are coming the electric truck will be a no brainer.
@Frunkenstein True, yet what was the route? This route looked awfully flat, and if a California route, Class 8 is limited to 55 mph (note the speedo on the left screen was not visible). I'm asking to see mountain passes and higher speeds to baseline, not judge if the Tesla is fully-fleshed or not. As I noted, I applaud Tesla's effort as we are still in the horse to horseless phase.
@Dan Harold Very fair. All I'm stating is, are we at Panacea or are we at version 1.1? More documentation needed. As noted in the video presentation, there is also hydrogen and CNG in the mix. What about diesel electric, like a locomotive? Better batteries will most definitely help, just as gas and diesel engines have improved markedly since 1897. Grid infrastucture and power sourcing to accomodate such a load? Familiar with GM's first attempt at an air-cooled engine, and I do not refer to the Corvair? Improvements occur over time, some being incremental and others major. We are at the infancy of OTR BEV.
@@sntstafford Definitely not a panacea. More like version 0.9. Current pre production is being tested at Pepsi. Everybody wants to know about the range and load. I think that is yet to be determined. We are fairly sure the battery in use now will be replaced by some flavor of the 4680.
In terms of the environment forget about diesel in any form. Diesel trucks are already too complex and Diesel over electric will only make it worse.
My crystal ball tells me that Tesla will see to it that it's electric semi do not lack for an opportunity to charge. Too much money on the table. I see Tesla charging stations with wind + solar + battery storage up and down US highways. Regulation permitted they will generally sell electricity to the grid not consume it. Just as EVs made the grid better so will the electric trucks.
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All of these other EV semis cost more than the Tesla Semi, have half the range and take 3x as long to charge for the same estimated purchase price. Tesla is the only company capable of building the EV semis at scale and can build the charging stations.
Faster charging likely means more rapid battery degradation.
@@V2RocketScientist Not when cooled properly, and not when the battery is actually larger.
@@V2RocketScientist Battery tech is changing drastically every 3 months. Scotty, and others on this channel continue to use information from 2015. They are stuck in their views based on continued misinformation. Tesla's gen 3 platform will reduce cost by 50%, use hairpin motors, 48v power with motors that no longer use rare earth metals. People don't know anything about Tesla on this channel but they keep applauding every time Scotty talks about how smart Toyota is for being 5 years behind Tesla in EVs.
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Pepsi muzzling the drivers really says it all.
It says nothing.
I happening to see a Tesla Semi in Stockton, Ca on highway 99 this past week.
They will. We're still in the very early stages. Also it wouldn't be too hard for them to beef up the battery packs to extend the range a few hundred more miles. These large semi trucks have a lot more space to work with expanding storage than a tiny little car.
You got to think how much gvwr you loose when your put denser batteries in
No they can’t, they have to meet a certain maximum load capacity. If you increase the battery you significantly decrease the load capacity. Now maybe they can make their batteries and motors more efficient, but bigger batteries? No.
More batteries, no. More energy density, yes.
@@cheeneep I don't know have you checked out the upcoming Tesla Roadster specs? 620 mile range. They're obviously beefing up the battery pack in little car that size for a hefty price tag. I would imagine if they wanted to and put their heads together with some of the smartest engineers in the world they could figure it out for the semi as well.
@@AchillesWrath1 The problem with adding more batteries to the semi is that batteries are very heavy. Roads and especially bridges have certain weight restrictions. Electric Sedans doesn't have this problem. So the only way to increase range without adding weight for the semi is to improve the energy density of lithium-ion batteries.
Another hit piece on Elon Musk.
Jup, hit piece for another market to get interrupted.
We been running electric concrete trucks for years in Sweden, and they work better than expected
These trucks are prefect for delivering Bags of Air !
So true! Also 44,000+ lbs. of concrete highway barriers or 42,000 lbs. of pallets weighing 600KG each.
yes, and everything else as well, weight makes basically no difference in an ev, thats a huge difference to combustion vehicles where weight makes all the difference.
regenerative braking is the keyword.
Craig, a diesel powertrain can produce more power from a weight perspective? Last time i looked, one of the factors benefitting EV trucks to allow for more batteries is that the powertrain weights less than a diesel engine with a transmission 🤣 Please don't make it sound like an EV motor can't pull the crap out of a diesel engine any day from 0 RPM
At least Pepsi put solar panels up to use to try and help with powering these vehicles.
Solar panels on a typical vehicle are more a stunt than a practical power source. You can't angle them to the sun so you never get full output, and there is only enough space for a very small solar installation. Putting solar panels on the roof of a warehouse where the vehicles are charged up is a much better idea.
RVs are an exception.
@@vylbird8014 I think he’s referring to the solar panels over the parking lot.
yo uican easily power them with your panels, not just "help"
it will get there very, very soon, because they may claim its for the environment but actually its for the money, well electric wins by far in every metric so it's a win win win
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