Why MotoGP Riders Turn Left, To Go Right!
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- Опубліковано 6 кві 2024
- Every professional motorbike rider uses an incredibly simple but insanely important technique to achieve insane speeds around a race circuit Let me explain.
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The feeling when you are riding is that you are pushing the bike into the corner. That’s how I used to think about it before I ever heard the term “counter steering”. Once the bike is banked over and established in the turn the front wheel will go back to following the curve of the corner. The images you showed of race bikes supposedly counter steering were actually drifting .
You're talking as if only pro riders use counter steering. All of us do. It's how you ride a bike.
Not to the extent they do.
I don’t really see it as a “technique”. It’s kinda just physics
வண்டி முன்னோக்கி வேகமாக செல்லும் போது அதன் உந்துவிசை அதிகமாக இருக்கும். ஆகவே அதை எடைசீர் செய்ய நாம் எதிர் திசையில் எடையை சேர்ப்பதன் மூலம் மைய்யவிசை சீராக இருக்கும்.
Yes,it's pure applied physics,Stoner explained the front tyre part very good. They slide because the gearbox revs and rear wheel revs get out of sync so the bike starts sliding. Many riders slide intentionally.About the leg-if you starting braking through a fast right hander and then turn left the bike wants to continue right so the rider uses his extended leg to counter the forces that wanna turn it right plus he releases the brake for a moment to straighten up the bike and turn left properly.
Yes! This is much closer to the truth than the point made in the video, which is trivial and unfortunately the real behaviour is seldom explained
Tyres produce force by their slip, and to achieve maximum cornering force one needs to achieve significant slip on both tyres
However, the kinematics of a bike turning perpendicular to the corner radius is not enough to generate enough slip at the back, while at the front you can control slip with the position of the handlebar
This means that the bike has to yaw to disalign the direction of the rear tyre with the velocity vector of the assembly. These yaws are so significant that very often you end up seeing the handlebar turning the "wrong way" to reduce the disalignment on the front axis, plus of course, transient roll states which a good rider should be almost constantly in
Hope I'm being clear enough with my argument!
5:05 countersteering a powerslide and countersteering into the corner are not the same
The former is done by cars too whereas the latter obviously isnt.
Exactly.. Thank you!!
exactly.
Its to make the bike fall to the turn you want it to go, the direction of the handle bar is counter your intended turn,, there is a term for that, I just can't remember because it should be natural to anyone riding a two wheeled vehicle where tires are parallel and tires are curved, this is how we steer a bicycle :D works at any speed above ZERO ! :D
The most visually obvious example of countersteering I can think of is flat-tracking. Kenny Roberts was a flat-tracker first. Picture him on a Yamaha TZ750, a 750cc 2-stroke monster, all twisted up and sideways going around an oval. What we do on asphalt circuits on corner exits is exactly the same but to a much smaller degree. Roberts did this so much--even on corner entries--that the phrase "steering with the rear" got coined. I should add that the video presenter is correct that we push on the left bar for a fraction of a second to get the bike to turn left. This turns the tire ever-so-slightly to the right--the wrong way---which causes the bike to tip in to the left--the correct way.
Great example Paul
Both rider's counter Steered, except the one leaned more quicker, there is no turning in a two wheeled vehicle if you are not counter steering, no counter steer, you will go straight, that is what that curved tire is for :D
Bikes and motorcycles go exactly where the front contact patch points
Hope you’re getting the view you deserve keep it up!!
Thanks nonanano! Appreciate it :) We're getting there slowly with everyone's support! Still can't people watch my stuff
Also gyroscopic phenomenon takes place...
To a very litle extent, yes.
Anyone else see that actually counter steering also appears when accelerating out of the corners, only the difference is that they are wheelieing a bit while doing that. So it may not get the effect of the counter steering out of the corner, but they do it nonetheless. Maybe it is not on purpose.
Ummm all bikes steer this way? When you lean the front tire counter steers naturally.
works the same way in a bicycle or any two wheel vehicle where the wheels are parallel to each other and the tires are curved ( rounded out ) :D
And t get into that lean you....!
Fine video but the title is click baity i like your moto go videos keep up the work 😺
Thanks for the feedback! I've just tried a new title hopefully it's less clickbait :)
They also have A LOT of slip angle through the turn.
All riders do that
You don't understand how bikes steer, at all.
Brennan Lee Mulligan
not only moto gp riders , all motorcycle riders do that in corners.
ANYONE with any real level of skil dirt riding is quite often pointing the front wheel in the opposite direction as the turn simply because the rear end coming around sliding...I mean besides counter steering in general which is hard to even see compared to sliding the rear....the most radical example in racing is certainly not motogp! That honor goes to SPEEDWAY where bikes are full lock steering opposite direction of trun
Doc Hudson is always right.
who is going to tell him that all motorcycles are riden like that after some speed?
At any speed. As soon as the bike starts moving.
@@kjellg6532 not really, going slowly, or at maneuvering speed the motorcycle turns like a bicycle , turn left to go left, and after some speed all motorcycles are riden like that.
Noop. You start a lean by countersteering, at any speed, from zero and up. Bicycle or motor bike the same. My granson, 2 yrs, has no clue of the word CS, but he controls his balance bike by countersteering at walking speed.
@@kjellg6532 what lean there is no lean at maneuvering speed.. did you ever rode a motorcycle, try it first please
If you do not lean, you will fall out of the turn, simpel physics. This goes for any speed, down to zero km/h. Riding a two wheeled vehicle you are in an unstable balance and have to correct it from falling all time. Try to balance a broom in your palm. You have to correct it all the time by moving your hand in the direction of the fall. If you want to go for a walk forward, you have to pull the foot of the stick towards you for a split second, you have to “countersteer” the broom to get it into a forward lean. With no lean, the broom will fall over you, like a (motor)bike will fall out of any turn at any speed.
an absolute load of tripe.. trying yo sensationalise something that is a common practice for ALL bike riders..
No it's not. Bet ALOT of people riding bikes don't even know it's a thing or have been taught it in cbt etc.
If you do not countersteer - you fall.