Andrei! This video is one of the best to describe braking in corners. You have explained it so clearly and well. You are an excellent instructor and I hope you keep doing this to help others. Thank you!
I do track day riding and recently took a course- one of the things they said to do that blew my mind was that sometimes it's best to maintain brake pressure all the way to the apex. And that is at very high load situations. That really helped tighten my lines and shorten brake distances. So on the street (where you should have much more margin) it's a no brainer.
Man you are so good. Watched many videos of so-called "Pros" who did not really explain the purpose. Like many other times: One of your videos answers all my questions. Thank you very much for your effort.
One of the hardest things to learn while starting out on track. The braking forces are insane and there's so much grip. When I was learning trail braking it was so hard to muscle the bike into the turn while at full brake pressure. It gets easier, and you learn to carry the brakes deeper and deeper into the turn. I've been taking my grom (with crappy stock tires) to a dirty parking lot to practice in the off season. Once the tires are warm you can easily trail brake until your knee is on the ground. Trail braking for love, trail braking for life.
But notice that on the track you have a much wider space for doing it like this. With the steering that heavy, you lean the bike a bit earlier and slower. And this is all good, since you don't want to lean the bike super deep while braking that hard, anyway. And because the track is so wide, you will still get the bike "fully" leaned in time, before you run out of space from out to in. In a parking lot... you have as much space as you want. On the road, you can only trail brake so much before you're limiting your cornering speeds. At higher entry speed, you'll need to flick the bike later and quicker to stay in your lane, and in a good position in your lane. So you should never be trailbraking as hard or deeply on the road as you sometimes do on the track. This is nothing to do with track being safer place to crash and be aggressive. It's simple geometry!
I'm a new rider as of last season. The first time I went downhill, I instinctively trail braked all the way down. I realised that I've been doing it all my life on a bicycle. Same with counter steering and almost every other technique. I'm rocking a KLR650 as my first bike, and I loved taking out that iron pig everywhere. Now I patiently wait for the snow to go away, but it's Canada so it'll be a while lol
I've been using trail braking for many years now, but it's good to review the technique and its benefits. Like many instructional videos, I wish I'd had them when I started riding as a kid ... it took a long time to pick up these skills back in the day. 👍
Again, an excellent video. Riding a motorcycle is both a science and an art. The science is quantifiable and a whole lot of physics. The art on the other hand, is where the practice, practice component comes into play. Lol. Thanks again for a great demonstration of the meeting of the two components.
As a beginner rider & also an older rider, I'm not gunning it on every straightaway & going max speed into every corner. Even going a little over the speed limit, a little engine braking is fine for many corners. If someone says, "you should be trail braking in *every* corner", they're implicitly stating that you should be riding faster than you should on many public roads. Trail braking is a skill I want to work on as I gain more confidence in riding, but I think I'm going to pick the corners I use it on, same as leaning vs counter leaning.
Excellent. Thank you from a new rider who finds your videos very informative. Maybe you should say compress instead of collapse when describing what happens to front suspension when brakes are applied.
When you think about it, if you decrease throttle in a corner, the momentum will will cause the tyre/forks to compress somewhat anyway, so a little extra help must be a good thing.
Hi from Bundaberg Australia 🇦🇺😊👍 Ive seen many many Educators Video's on Motorcycle Riding 🏍 Here in Australia & American BUT none of them match Your Video's , Some other people's are good BUT most are average ! Ive learnt so much from You & your teachings 😊👍 Im now understanding Your Russian Accent really well now ☺️ Thank you for doing these video's & know we new & im thinking even more experienced riders appreciates them & learning plenty ! Cheers from Aus matey 🇦🇺🕺🍹
very good video👍. The issue is its hard not to grab the front brake lever if the obstacle appears suddenly in the blind corner thus the riding with covered brakes is essential. Every rider should practice mid corner braking in ideal conditions and recognise how to motorbike behave during braking. Firstly in slow speeds and slight lean angle then faster with more lean. Like was said the key is gently squeeze the brake (or brakes) and react on the motorbike's feedback
The problem with reactively braking is it limits your options. Braking comes with weight shift. And there's inertia to that. It's more of a one way ticket, and if it was the wrong move? You're stuck with it. Steering/leaning can be done and changed midstride as conditions evovle and new options are realized. If you start braking then realize you need to tighten your line then go back to braking, you'll neither stop nor turn as fast. Most of the time you want to make a steering input(s), first, while you have more grip and neutral balance for that. Either to optimize your line to avoid a hazard, or to optimize your line for better stopping/braking. Rarely going to do you any favors to simply start braking as a reaction. Once you start braking, your weight starts to shift, and that reduces your maneuverability. You want to be able to continue that shift to reach hard braking quickly in one smooth move. So better adjust your line, first, so that you can. TLDR: line first, brake second. Don't passively slow down while timidly changing course. Aggressively maneuver the bike to adjust your line to avoid hazard or to setup a line best for aggressively applying brake as the end game.
@@mildyproductive9726 yes the braking in the mid corners should be used only in the emergencies like last resort option. The more gently you squeeze the brakes the least the suspensions will get upset and your trajectory wont be affected much that way. Riding with covered brakes would avoid abrupt panic grabbing the lever and wont upset the motorbike. Every rider should be prepared for all kind of scenarios on the roads and be ahead of the game thus this video is helpful
I just start practicing motorcycle with clutch about one week, using my grandfather RX Special 115cc. When I only using automatic motorbikes, I feel like I'm an expert, but no, i do many mistakes, and still need to learn a lot😂 (cornering, breaking, etc)
Hi Andrei, hi everyone! I have the following question related to emergency breaking in mid-corner (as well in case if trail breaking is already initiated in advaned to stop completely). In case if we have to stop completely in mid-corner while leaning (breaks already applied due to tail breaking) do we have to first straighten up (to apply counter steering) the motorcycle and then apply the breaks to maximum or to apply breaks (progressively to maximum) while leaning (and while trail breaking) the bike is straighten up by itself (not apply counter steering) as i understand in the video? Same question is to applicable to stop in mid-corner if no tail breaking is initiated in advanced, should we first straighten up the bike (with counter steering) and then to apply breaks (progressively) to complete stop?
My problem with trail braking is maintening speed tru the corner It forces me to drive more fast to enter the apex at a good speed Now i just use trail braking in downhill turns
What everybody missed to tell...FIRSTLY, get use and comfortable with YOUR brakes.... Perfectly working brakes is the MOST IMPORTANT part of motorcycling
Trail braking should be taught in the msf course. I feel like I'm in the movie Spaceballs and I'm surrounded by morons. 😂 I'm just going to reference this video and not even try to explain it anymore. Thanks Moto Control!
Yup. Learned that the hard way at msf course. I finished with skinned knee, torn jeans, and torn rotator cuff. It will be a while before I get my first bike.
I have to slow down mid-corner on public roads, just because some car drivers slow down too much in turns (I can't comprehend the reason). I am starting a turn in a good speed, with some lean, and then have to slow down in order to hit the car in front of me...
When I started riding I didn't get the memo that "You should Never brake mid-corner!😱!" I think two mates that were also new riders but listened more at rider training, would always say I was gonna kill myself, but I did take away from rider training the technique of progressing controls in every monouver, so in actual fact I was in control and felt safe braking while cornering, they both had bad crashes and stopped riding well over 10years ago, I still do and never had a spill that was my fault, I sped with upmost caution and they used to "gun it!" Without thought or skill! Lol
Doesn't "normal" technique assume the traction circle is more of a lozenge (with an axis going through each point), and trailbraking, that it is more of a square (with each axis going through the middle of a side), because the contact patch of the accelerating or braking wheel is larger when accelerating or braking, thanks to load transfer ?
Andrei, you're getting better in English terms and the ability to crack jokes for better than an actual English speaking chap! 😂 Brilliant video though!
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Could you please explain how trail-braking (a fork being compressed) affects the grip if the surface in the mid corner is suddenly bad? Вот, как ведёт себя зажатая (пусть даже на 10-15%) подвеска на плохой дороге (кочки, ямы). Спасибо!)
The front wheel will slide, which doesn't necessarily mean a crash if you're light on the bars. But a lot of times it will snap the bars to one side before you have time to even react.
Can you please help with trail braking while turning to the right while riding on the track as I struggle to keep the brake pressure on as I am pushing the handlebar on the same side , I tend to release the front brake completely to maintain the pressure on the right side of the handlebar (counter steering ). is there any remedies? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Modify your grip position. Flat wrist, screwdriver grip. Lean with elbow out, not down to keep your wrist aligned. If you're really leaning out check out what professional paintball players do with their trigger hand, that's almost the position you end up in.
hi could you share the link/name of any video in which you have explained about threshold / progressive braking also how to not squeeze the front brake and also how to remain loose at bike i find myself always griping the handelbars too tight
Go sit on the bike and practice loose grip, while the bike is off. Pretend like you come to a stop, take off your hands and put them back while practicing loose grip. Then go around the block 1 time while practicing, the route should be super familiar so you can focus a little extra on your grip. Keep doing this until your grip is relaxed by default.
I've never felt my bike want to stand up in a corner when applying brakes. It seems like it should be impossible. Slower speed = tighter turn is my experience.
ua-cam.com/video/RBRrX-PO0Oc/v-deo.html Notice that his main mistake here is tipping in too early. This puts him too far on the inside of the corner. If you're the type to make this kind mistake, braking helps to get back to the outside of your lane as you slow in the safest way possible. If he entered the corner properly, the "MSF" way would be optimal. ua-cam.com/video/RBRrX-PO0Oc/v-deo.html Notice in this corner, the rider can see when the corner gets tighter well before he gets there. Keep your eyes on the vanishing point, as if you're riding. As soon as you see your vanishing point suddenly move closer, this is where you will 1. stand bike up slightly 2. apply brake as your lean angle decreases, like he did, here. So this keeps you setup wide while slowing, so you can steer the bike tighter when you get to that tighter point, X seconds in the future. The dumbass trail braking videos for the last 10 years are giving riders bad info. In neither of these cases would you want to intentionally enter the corner on the brakes. It's very rare where you would actually want to significantly trail brake outside of a much wider track. In street corners, MSF way is usually the best, especially at higher speeds. Applying brake midcorner is sometimes essential, but it will usually be preceded by a steering input (as you close the throttle) to initiate a slight decrease of lean angle.
Where you have a dangerously decreasing radius out on the street where you might really trail brake (if you're trying to set a record lap time for some reason)? That type of corner will have warning signs and multiple chevrons. They're very rare. Exception are highway exits. They often decrease in radius. But they will be banked the appropriate amount to help you brake and decelerate safely. So notice that you usually will want to brake while decreasing lean angle to keep radius constant or slightly increasing. To stay wide or to get wider in your lane as you decelerate. So you won't usually be braking to turn tighter. To turn tighter you'll want to lean the bike more while letting off brake (and rolling off engine brakes), at the appropriate time. The only exception is if you're running out of ground clearance, if you ride that type of bike. On a bike that is limited in this way, if you enter corners too fast, you will start to have to take them in a "bad" way, on the brakes, turning into early, and hoping the corner doesn't get tighter unexpectedly. Because you're depending on those brakes to get you through what you're already seeing. You're tipping in "too early" because your bike can't lean far enough to take the proper line, and now you need the deceleration to make the corner on this bad line. And this will end badly if the corner gets tighter than you expected from what you were able to see when you first entered it. In a very real sense, as the track gets wider enough, racers start to take corners "badly" on purpose, suppressing proper street cornering instincts in order to shave lap time. They are taking as much safety out of the wide track as possible, and they're sacrificing/reducing their max apex speed/safety, in order to shorten the distance traveled in this corner to shave a tenth a second, not to corner safer or at higher speeds. That's never your goal in street cornering. You want to preserve what width you have, and use a longer line to take corners faster (and still safer). Not shave a tenth by making the shortest possible (and least safe) line. Trail braking into a corner should not be the normal way you take corners in street riding. It doesn't make you faster, without that track width a racer has. It just uses up more traction for a given cornering speed and puts you on a worse line, with a worse view, and you'll overcook it at a lower maximum speed than if you took the proper street line the MSF/Keith Code way.
What is it with oldies being overly defensive about their real cognitive decline. It's a real thing so challenging people that point it out on the internet will not make it go away.
@MrBCRC It's simply because , poor riding/ driving is always aimed at particular groups, whereas in reality (I've many yrs training novice road users) it's individuals who simply lack the interest or understanding of safe road use. I'm personally not denying cognitive decline buts what's important is at what level it's declined from and what level it's at presently.
@@Simon-fm8yc bro once you lean and find out that it will be enough to make the sharp turn you need to maintain that angle. As long as you can maintain proper speed, and lean angle then you just look to the way you want to go. If you're too afraid to lean your bike then take it slow imstead however, you must master countersteering.
Basically the best way is to approach and go through the corner in a sensible manner! Anyone who just goes crazy fast into a corner they don't know is a idiot!
You talk so much about trail- and corner-braking, BUT for an inexperienced rider, which can be confusing, you never mentioned WHICH BRAKE TO APPLY; rear or front and how much? Everyone knows that when you apply rear brake, the fork comes down, putting more weight and traction in the front wheel. Explain techniques like you were teaching beginners to help and not be misunderstood by inexperienced riders to save lives and prevent injuries. Thank you for your enthusiasm.
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Well done! I'm happy someone has finally describes all the braking techniques in an easy to understand way.
New Biker. Watching everything. 😂😂
Don't die tomorrow
@@arunkumaru.k6293I almost died the other 2-3 weeks ago
Same here😂 every big motorcycle youtuber you name it, I've seen them
Even if I didn't ride motorcycles, I would enjoy watching your super positive videos. Best wishes and happy new year!
Andrei! This video is one of the best to describe braking in corners. You have explained it so clearly and well. You are an excellent instructor and I hope you keep doing this to help others. Thank you!
Another excellent video. Well done.
I do track day riding and recently took a course- one of the things they said to do that blew my mind was that sometimes it's best to maintain brake pressure all the way to the apex. And that is at very high load situations. That really helped tighten my lines and shorten brake distances. So on the street (where you should have much more margin) it's a no brainer.
“Distracted pensioners” is diplomatically correct 😂😂😂
Man you are so good. Watched many videos of so-called "Pros" who did not really explain the purpose. Like many other times: One of your videos answers all my questions. Thank you very much for your effort.
Great information! Great diagrams. Nice demonstration videos. A lot of cruiser riders out there, so it is good that you include some bagger footage.
Here in Norway, if you can't brake to a controlled stop in a corner, you don't get your license. It's part of the test.
The rider and and driver education is the US is abysmal, to ensure a steady flow of clients for HD and GM ;)
This was a part of my testing here in Florida.
One of the hardest things to learn while starting out on track. The braking forces are insane and there's so much grip.
When I was learning trail braking it was so hard to muscle the bike into the turn while at full brake pressure.
It gets easier, and you learn to carry the brakes deeper and deeper into the turn.
I've been taking my grom (with crappy stock tires) to a dirty parking lot to practice in the off season. Once the tires are warm you can easily trail brake until your knee is on the ground.
Trail braking for love, trail braking for life.
But notice that on the track you have a much wider space for doing it like this. With the steering that heavy, you lean the bike a bit earlier and slower. And this is all good, since you don't want to lean the bike super deep while braking that hard, anyway. And because the track is so wide, you will still get the bike "fully" leaned in time, before you run out of space from out to in.
In a parking lot... you have as much space as you want.
On the road, you can only trail brake so much before you're limiting your cornering speeds. At higher entry speed, you'll need to flick the bike later and quicker to stay in your lane, and in a good position in your lane. So you should never be trailbraking as hard or deeply on the road as you sometimes do on the track. This is nothing to do with track being safer place to crash and be aggressive. It's simple geometry!
I'm a new rider as of last season. The first time I went downhill, I instinctively trail braked all the way down. I realised that I've been doing it all my life on a bicycle. Same with counter steering and almost every other technique. I'm rocking a KLR650 as my first bike, and I loved taking out that iron pig everywhere. Now I patiently wait for the snow to go away, but it's Canada so it'll be a while lol
I've been using trail braking for many years now, but it's good to review the technique and its benefits. Like many instructional videos, I wish I'd had them when I started riding as a kid ... it took a long time to pick up these skills back in the day. 👍
best teacher shows the fundimentals and science to it too. doesnt disregard every aspect and shows it, if it works or not then explains so good :)
Again, an excellent video. Riding a motorcycle is both a science and an art. The science is quantifiable and a whole lot of physics. The art on the other hand, is where the practice, practice component comes into play. Lol. Thanks again for a great demonstration of the meeting of the two components.
As a beginner rider & also an older rider, I'm not gunning it on every straightaway & going max speed into every corner. Even going a little over the speed limit, a little engine braking is fine for many corners. If someone says, "you should be trail braking in *every* corner", they're implicitly stating that you should be riding faster than you should on many public roads.
Trail braking is a skill I want to work on as I gain more confidence in riding, but I think I'm going to pick the corners I use it on, same as leaning vs counter leaning.
Excellent. Thank you from a new rider who finds your videos very informative. Maybe you should say compress instead of collapse when describing what happens to front suspension when brakes are applied.
2:14 Rock - that was fuuny
Very good and clear video. Many thanks.
Thanks. Sufficient detail without unnecessary fluff time.
gracefuly lay her down" 😂😂😂
When you think about it, if you decrease throttle in a corner, the momentum will will cause the tyre/forks to compress somewhat anyway, so a little extra help must be a good thing.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us
I love this channel - I’ve been riding for 53 years, ans now I’m discovering what I’ve been doing all these years 🤦🏼♂️
During corners, watch out for The Rock and Austin Powers.
😂 I thought similarly.
Also look out for people with polyester vests protesting oil.
Hi from Bundaberg Australia 🇦🇺😊👍 Ive seen many many Educators Video's on Motorcycle Riding 🏍 Here in Australia & American BUT none of them match Your Video's , Some other people's are good BUT most are average ! Ive learnt so much from You & your teachings 😊👍 Im now understanding Your Russian Accent really well now ☺️ Thank you for doing these video's & know we new & im thinking even more experienced riders appreciates them & learning plenty ! Cheers from Aus matey 🇦🇺🕺🍹
lol first!! On the much more serious note, thank you a million for another awesome video to peruse 🎉
Thanks , another excellent video.
That traction circle diagram is 🔥🔥🔥🔥love it!! New rider I’ve learned so much from this channel thank you 🙏
Excellent video as always, very useful.
1:50 Holy crap he was lucky he didn't need that helmet...
it was strapped and still flew off
@@udubidub i'd call bs on that, no way a proper, certified helmet that's strapped can just pop off like that
@@lakiza55 I see .You so clever
@@lakiza55 his helmet was probably too big for him and the strap was either too lose or not properly secured.
@@Ntmoffi I watched the clip 3 times his helmet is strapped so glad I didn't buy that type Aria for me all day long
very good video👍. The issue is its hard not to grab the front brake lever if the obstacle appears suddenly in the blind corner thus the riding with covered brakes is essential. Every rider should practice mid corner braking in ideal conditions and recognise how to motorbike behave during braking. Firstly in slow speeds and slight lean angle then faster with more lean. Like was said the key is gently squeeze the brake (or brakes) and react on the motorbike's feedback
The problem with reactively braking is it limits your options. Braking comes with weight shift. And there's inertia to that. It's more of a one way ticket, and if it was the wrong move? You're stuck with it. Steering/leaning can be done and changed midstride as conditions evovle and new options are realized.
If you start braking then realize you need to tighten your line then go back to braking, you'll neither stop nor turn as fast. Most of the time you want to make a steering input(s), first, while you have more grip and neutral balance for that. Either to optimize your line to avoid a hazard, or to optimize your line for better stopping/braking. Rarely going to do you any favors to simply start braking as a reaction. Once you start braking, your weight starts to shift, and that reduces your maneuverability. You want to be able to continue that shift to reach hard braking quickly in one smooth move. So better adjust your line, first, so that you can.
TLDR: line first, brake second. Don't passively slow down while timidly changing course. Aggressively maneuver the bike to adjust your line to avoid hazard or to setup a line best for aggressively applying brake as the end game.
@@mildyproductive9726 yes the braking in the mid corners should be used only in the emergencies like last resort option. The more gently you squeeze the brakes the least the suspensions will get upset and your trajectory wont be affected much that way. Riding with covered brakes would avoid abrupt panic grabbing the lever and wont upset the motorbike. Every rider should be prepared for all kind of scenarios on the roads and be ahead of the game thus this video is helpful
At last a sensible presentation of braking in corners, nice job ñ
My instructor made me learn to emergency braking while cornering at high speed...... my first time was a bit of the unknown but it was easy!
I love your lessons.
Clearest explanation of braking in corners I’ve seen! Do you have any drills you recommend to work on this skill?
I just start practicing motorcycle with clutch about one week, using my grandfather RX Special 115cc. When I only using automatic motorbikes, I feel like I'm an expert, but no, i do many mistakes, and still need to learn a lot😂 (cornering, breaking, etc)
Counter point, Supermoto Slide/Backing it in is the one true cornering method!
Спасибо большое братик ☺️
I.d love to come to Russia and do some of your courses, in person. These videos will have to do for now. o7
Hi Andrei, hi everyone! I have the following question related to emergency breaking in mid-corner (as well in case if trail breaking is already initiated in advaned to stop completely). In case if we have to stop completely in mid-corner while leaning (breaks already applied due to tail breaking) do we have to first straighten up (to apply counter steering) the motorcycle and then apply the breaks to maximum or to apply breaks (progressively to maximum) while leaning (and while trail breaking) the bike is straighten up by itself (not apply counter steering) as i understand in the video? Same question is to applicable to stop in mid-corner if no tail breaking is initiated in advanced, should we first straighten up the bike (with counter steering) and then to apply breaks (progressively) to complete stop?
My problem with trail braking is maintening speed tru the corner
It forces me to drive more fast to enter the apex at a good speed
Now i just use trail braking in downhill turns
Its all about speed. So if you dont enter the corner fast enough, no Trail braking is needed as youre able to come to a stop mid corner anyway
What everybody missed to tell...FIRSTLY, get use and comfortable with YOUR brakes....
Perfectly working brakes is the MOST IMPORTANT part of motorcycling
I tend to only use trail braking when I'm in a rush. Great video 😊
⚠️ Try this on a 700 lb cruiser and then I will respect you. Like a Kawasaki Vulcan 900
At 4:55 that cop totally made him crash he was going around the corner seen the cop and panic braked lol.
Trail braking should be taught in the msf course. I feel like I'm in the movie Spaceballs and I'm surrounded by morons. 😂 I'm just going to reference this video and not even try to explain it anymore. Thanks Moto Control!
Yup. Learned that the hard way at msf course. I finished with skinned knee, torn jeans, and torn rotator cuff. It will be a while before I get my first bike.
2:20 stop oil protesters, the worst of them all.
I have to slow down mid-corner on public roads, just because some car drivers slow down too much in turns (I can't comprehend the reason). I am starting a turn in a good speed, with some lean, and then have to slow down in order to hit the car in front of me...
Hi, Have you any courses in Europe, anywhere?
When I started riding I didn't get the memo that "You should Never brake mid-corner!😱!" I think two mates that were also new riders but listened more at rider training, would always say I was gonna kill myself, but I did take away from rider training the technique of progressing controls in every monouver, so in actual fact I was in control and felt safe braking while cornering, they both had bad crashes and stopped riding well over 10years ago, I still do and never had a spill that was my fault, I sped with upmost caution and they used to "gun it!" Without thought or skill! Lol
about that traction circle, since we can brake more when motorcycle dives, and accelerate harder when it squats, it becomes traction... egg?
Doesn't "normal" technique assume the traction circle is more of a lozenge (with an axis going through each point), and trailbraking, that it is more of a square (with each axis going through the middle of a side), because the contact patch of the accelerating or braking wheel is larger when accelerating or braking, thanks to load transfer ?
Andrei, you're getting better in English terms and the ability to crack jokes for better than an actual English speaking chap! 😂 Brilliant video though!
Hi,
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Could you please explain how trail-braking (a fork being compressed) affects the grip if the surface in the mid corner is suddenly bad? Вот, как ведёт себя зажатая (пусть даже на 10-15%) подвеска на плохой дороге (кочки, ямы). Спасибо!)
The front wheel will slide, which doesn't necessarily mean a crash if you're light on the bars.
But a lot of times it will snap the bars to one side before you have time to even react.
Can you please help with trail braking while turning to the right while riding on the track as I struggle to keep the brake pressure on as I am pushing the handlebar on the same side , I tend to release the front brake completely to maintain the pressure on the right side of the handlebar (counter steering ). is there any remedies? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Modify your grip position. Flat wrist, screwdriver grip. Lean with elbow out, not down to keep your wrist aligned.
If you're really leaning out check out what professional paintball players do with their trigger hand, that's almost the position you end up in.
hi could you share the link/name of any video in which you have explained about threshold / progressive braking
also how to not squeeze the front brake and also how to remain loose at bike
i find myself always griping the handelbars too tight
Go sit on the bike and practice loose grip, while the bike is off. Pretend like you come to a stop, take off your hands and put them back while practicing loose grip. Then go around the block 1 time while practicing, the route should be super familiar so you can focus a little extra on your grip. Keep doing this until your grip is relaxed by default.
@@samoksner will try and update
Pretend you're on a horse and assume you both want to live...light hands, relaxed shoulders and watch the spaghetti westerns for extra tips😊
I've never felt my bike want to stand up in a corner when applying brakes. It seems like it should be impossible. Slower speed = tighter turn is my experience.
LOL..."Rocks"
ua-cam.com/video/RBRrX-PO0Oc/v-deo.html
Notice that his main mistake here is tipping in too early. This puts him too far on the inside of the corner. If you're the type to make this kind mistake, braking helps to get back to the outside of your lane as you slow in the safest way possible. If he entered the corner properly, the "MSF" way would be optimal.
ua-cam.com/video/RBRrX-PO0Oc/v-deo.html
Notice in this corner, the rider can see when the corner gets tighter well before he gets there. Keep your eyes on the vanishing point, as if you're riding. As soon as you see your vanishing point suddenly move closer, this is where you will 1. stand bike up slightly 2. apply brake as your lean angle decreases, like he did, here. So this keeps you setup wide while slowing, so you can steer the bike tighter when you get to that tighter point, X seconds in the future.
The dumbass trail braking videos for the last 10 years are giving riders bad info. In neither of these cases would you want to intentionally enter the corner on the brakes. It's very rare where you would actually want to significantly trail brake outside of a much wider track. In street corners, MSF way is usually the best, especially at higher speeds. Applying brake midcorner is sometimes essential, but it will usually be preceded by a steering input (as you close the throttle) to initiate a slight decrease of lean angle.
Where you have a dangerously decreasing radius out on the street where you might really trail brake (if you're trying to set a record lap time for some reason)? That type of corner will have warning signs and multiple chevrons. They're very rare.
Exception are highway exits. They often decrease in radius. But they will be banked the appropriate amount to help you brake and decelerate safely.
So notice that you usually will want to brake while decreasing lean angle to keep radius constant or slightly increasing. To stay wide or to get wider in your lane as you decelerate. So you won't usually be braking to turn tighter. To turn tighter you'll want to lean the bike more while letting off brake (and rolling off engine brakes), at the appropriate time.
The only exception is if you're running out of ground clearance, if you ride that type of bike. On a bike that is limited in this way, if you enter corners too fast, you will start to have to take them in a "bad" way, on the brakes, turning into early, and hoping the corner doesn't get tighter unexpectedly. Because you're depending on those brakes to get you through what you're already seeing. You're tipping in "too early" because your bike can't lean far enough to take the proper line, and now you need the deceleration to make the corner on this bad line. And this will end badly if the corner gets tighter than you expected from what you were able to see when you first entered it.
In a very real sense, as the track gets wider enough, racers start to take corners "badly" on purpose, suppressing proper street cornering instincts in order to shave lap time. They are taking as much safety out of the wide track as possible, and they're sacrificing/reducing their max apex speed/safety, in order to shorten the distance traveled in this corner to shave a tenth a second, not to corner safer or at higher speeds. That's never your goal in street cornering. You want to preserve what width you have, and use a longer line to take corners faster (and still safer). Not shave a tenth by making the shortest possible (and least safe) line.
Trail braking into a corner should not be the normal way you take corners in street riding. It doesn't make you faster, without that track width a racer has. It just uses up more traction for a given cornering speed and puts you on a worse line, with a worse view, and you'll overcook it at a lower maximum speed than if you took the proper street line the MSF/Keith Code way.
Is there even a way to ride fast without trail breaking? I guess you can but it would be more dangerous and slower
Bahaha! I'm said pensioner on my mororbike! Give it heaps! 🤪
Thank you,Very misunderstood subject trail braking. Btw, distracted pensioners were once distracted youngsters, it's the person not the age....
What is it with oldies being overly defensive about their real cognitive decline. It's a real thing so challenging people that point it out on the internet will not make it go away.
@MrBCRC It's simply because , poor riding/ driving is always aimed at particular groups, whereas in reality (I've many yrs training novice road users) it's individuals who simply lack the interest or understanding of safe road use. I'm personally not denying cognitive decline buts what's important is at what level it's declined from and what level it's at presently.
3:40 witchcraft!
I just lean if it turns out that the curve is sharper.
So add risk😂
What happens when you can't lean anymore?
@@bhok1971 with proper speed, tires, and throttle control it wilk not be risky.
@@Simon-fm8yc bro once you lean and find out that it will be enough to make the sharp turn you need to maintain that angle. As long as you can maintain proper speed, and lean angle then you just look to the way you want to go. If you're too afraid to lean your bike then take it slow imstead however, you must master countersteering.
like an old British string vest
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Basically the best way is to approach and go through the corner in a sensible manner! Anyone who just goes crazy fast into a corner they don't know is a idiot!
I can certainly see this guy's mouth moving but can anyone understand what he's saying?
Thanks for the video! (=
You talk so much about trail- and corner-braking, BUT for an inexperienced rider, which can be confusing, you never mentioned WHICH BRAKE TO APPLY; rear or front and how much? Everyone knows that when you apply rear brake, the fork comes down, putting more weight and traction in the front wheel. Explain techniques like you were teaching beginners to help and not be misunderstood by inexperienced riders to save lives and prevent injuries. Thank you for your enthusiasm.
After 12min mark he is explaining trail braking and specifically says the front brake
Front
Watch a toprak video. Then you'll understand which brake does what.
dont let Motojitsu hear this crap 😅
But BIG BUTT))
😂 I thought similarly.
@RFVisionary 👏🤣🤣🤣
My andre knows the pensioner is Joe Biden 😂
When my Andre became president he made sure that Joe Biden braked mid corner out of the white house