Should I Have Bought A Honda Civic Type R Instead Of My Acura Integra Type S?

[@_Suzuka_Joe]

honestly im a hotboi at heart and I'd have got the FL5 Type R over the Type S. But I would never pay over MSRP for the car.

[@Zygrene]

Hotboiz unite 🥵

[@davelospinoso9022]

There's only 1 reason you buy a civic over an Integra .... You can't afford the Integra.
The seats being uncomfortable is an Internet fake news rumor. The Integra seats are heated with lumbar adjustment.

[@trigganometry168]

You gave a nice review of my Cayman GTS 4.0 last year 👍🏼. I was searching for so long for a new daily and just couldn’t find a Type R for sticker. Toyota Modesto came through and got me a GR Corolla Circuit last month. Let me know if you’d like to do a review. I know you’ve done the GR Corolla already but. Nice review of the Type R!

[@Zygrene]

Yes! I've been wanting to get a GRC Circuit on my channel. Great timing. Please shoot me a quick email at [e-mail]

[@nawmean]

Was there any markup at Modesto?

[@trigganometry168]

@@nawmean. No mark up dealership. No accessories also.

[@BlueSkyCrystals]

@@nawmeanMarkups are much less frequent for the GRC these days. Easy to find them at MSRP or even below.

[@num1odguy]

I drove both and bought the fl5. The seats are so much better in the fl5

[@evanescent0311]

I really wish they had made the FL5 seats an option for the DE5. Would’ve been an easy box to check as long as they weren’t red lol. Both great cars though.

[@davelospinoso9022]

I've sat in both, the Integra is better. Lumbar support and heat 😉

[@Tread1775]

@@davelospinoso9022 Wish the Type S had memory seats and auto folding mirrors. Maybe for 2025 they’ll rectify this omission.✌️

[@mr.tuckers2848]

Trade it in tomorrow and then show us how enthusiastic you are with your choice. Acura is more on the luxury side trying hard to go backwards but Type R is really what it is. A genuine race car.

[@ryanuncensored]

Just bought a Boost Blue at sticker here in CT. Picking it up tomorrow.

[@randomrebuilds]

Congrats! MSRP gang!

[@JFlogerzi]

@@randomrebuilds Congrats!

[@philochristos]

Exciting times!

[@hughhefner4774]

any tips for getting it at MSRP or resources

[@ryanuncensored]

@@hughhefner4774 Shop in New England.

[@rexandninja]

I have the Type S damping module also. The ride is so much better.

[@chrissimmons9969]

Me as well…probably my favorite mod. It’s almost a must if you own the FL5.

[@Dialed_medic]

Can you install this yourself or does the dealership have to do it?

[@num1odguy]

Yourself takes 10 minutes

[@Jdm_fl5]

I’ve noticed all those guys who change their module to the type s tend to piss while sitting down …

[@wilsonreynoso6708]

@@Jdm_fl5 savage ! lmao

[@toddallison4390]

I bought the CTR FL5 bc I got it for msrp. I actually prefer that it’s more hard edged in its design vs the DE5. But I love how aggressive the DE5 is.
For me it came down to a couple big things:
1. Price difference since I paid msrp for the fl5
2. Likely the resale value of the Fl5 but that remains to be seen
3. The seats!!!!
4. I actually prefer the harder looks of the FL5 over the DE5
5. The FL5 is about 6inches shorter which is better for my garage space.

[@sbklvr]

Same here. Plus the FL5 gives me more of a nostalgic feel. I did a drop in filter, rear motor mount, and front resonator delete, along with the alcantara wheel and shift boot. Car feels perfect.

[@toddallison4390]

@@sbklvr Good choices! I did a drop in filter, rear motor mount, front mounted intercooler and the alcantara shift boot. I have the front resonator delete ready to install, so I would say we are thinking a like!

[@williamk1800]

I got the FL5 at MSRP last December, owned/drove it for 6 months, and did a straight-trade with an Acura dealer for a brand new Integra Type S last week. I obviously prefer the ITS (daily driver, minimal track time planned), but the FL5 is a phenomenal car as well. Had I kept the FL5, the ITS damper module would've been swapped in eventually. I do miss the +R gauge, and the seats made every drive feel special. Championship White (like mine was) is not the way to go unfortunately, as all CW FL5s I've seen have a horrible colour mismatch between how yellow the rear hatch panel is, compared to the rest of the adjacent rear panels.
Thanks for the ongoing DE5 and FL5 content, cheers.

[@marcusw.538]

No issue with color mismatch on my CW FL5.

[@jameswilson8907]

​@@marcusw.538yeah mine matches perfectly as well. maybe the early cars had an issue?

[@CJ-gh4eh]

The mis match is due to the rear hatch being made out of resin rather than metal. It is very hard to color match due to the material difference.

[@marcusw.538]

@CJ-gh4eh yes, I'm aware. There was a time when Tesla had a similar issue. It's not uncommon. But as I stated, no issue with mine. It's color matched perfectly.

[@CJ-gh4eh]

@@marcusw.538 lucky! Even mine had a little mis match. I never minded it because of the functionality but good see they are matching them better . They’re really well built cars. It’s one factor I miss in my ITS.

[@Jay_812]

I went from an FK8 to the DE5. I wanted a bit more of a “grown up” version of the type r - the DE5 is a great alternative. I do wish we had the FL5 seats (in black), and the digital dash though.

[@davetc02]

Fingers crossed that there could be an upgrade to add more customization to the dash, and individual settings configuration

[@importraceramimportraceam1756]

@@Jay_812 how do you like the ITS so far compared to fk8? As an FK8 owner myself that is certainly a move I would consider as well. I do like the way that you phrased it, I completely agree as I am in my mid 30s. The FK8 is certainly an amazing car to drive, but it definitely does exude a youthful look.

[@Jay_812]

@@importraceramimportraceam1756 I like the DE5 a lot more. The infotainment and sound system is huge upgrade. Having heated seats is great too. Much more usable wheel/tire combo from the factory. Plus the dealership experience has been excellent. No regrets on my end. I miss the seats most.

[@importraceramimportraceam1756]

@@Jay_812 I appreciate the feedback, excellent stuff. The infotainment in the fk8 is brutal. Thankfully I run CarPlay most of the time so it helps. The seats in the fk8 are something that I didn’t know I would love as much as I do. They just make the cabin (car) feel special. That’s really my only concern with ITS

[@nullfield6514]

in my opinion yeah, the acura doesn't look as crisp as the type r, the interior styling maybe a lil better but the r is just overall so nice looking

[@fk8lowkey]

Got the FK8 and seeing both ITS and FL5 in person, The FL5 has smoother finish on outside, but ITS does have a aggressive looking wide body like the FK8, both are nice cars but in end up to what you like the most

[@Superdimensional]

I could’ve bought either, I chose the DE5. Nothing to knock on the FL5, I just like the more premium touches and aggressive styling of the Integra. Plus Integra has always been the more premium civic, that…does not change here.

[@fk8lowkey]

i agree, aggressive wide body almost like the FK8 widebody kit

[@Tread1775]

The DE5 is the more mature exterior and interior style. It needs the memory seats and power folding mirrors. I’m thinking of waiting for the 25’ to see if they correct this omission. I’ve been a VAG guy for 20 years. It boggles my mind that you can’t tap into the ECU via the OBD. I’ve been able to change settings, turn on/off features, and diagnose everything with a dongle. OBD11 and previously VCDS are easy to use and very helpful changing line codes. Readily available ecu tuning, from APR for example, made increased hp and trans tuning safe and easy. I’m older now and am not enthusiastic about tuning anymore. The DE5 will fit exactly what I’m looking for in my retirement.✌️

[@nessusing]

You friend Chris must be Asian! That glove box tag is still there and its a 2023 model. lol😝

[@Zygrene]

Dead giveaway 😂

[@svang1991]

Asian preservation.

[@VidNibs]

Why do people do that? Is it mental illness?

[@ZWortek]

If you can get an FL5 at MSRP it is a bit difficult to justify the price increase to the DE5. That is basically going to be the difference between me getting one of the other in the coming months.
I do live in an area where it would be really appreciated to have the heated seats and steering wheel of the DE5, but there are also things like the LogR/data screens on the FL5 that I would absolutely love to have.

[@sbklvr]

The best mods for the FL5 that are cheap and make the car feel like it should have from the factory are....1) drop in filter..2) front resonator delete..3) rear motor mount. These three mods makre the car feel and sound perfect, imo.

[@jmslc500]

FL5 Civic Type R made in Japan, while DE5 Integra Type S is made in Ohio.

[@eutanasio31]

Exactly people don’t realize thats very important

[@MinhNguyen-gd7bt]

@@eutanasio31made in Japan are quality control then made in United States

[@Marbind]

Tell me you have not visited the FL5 Issues sub forum without saying it.

[@Ap2s2kbro]

I would get the type s over type r. More daily and looks better along with a few other options. Only thing the type r has is the gauge during type r mode, fender and seats. I’m pretty sure type s will have a mid year refresh with upgrades

[@Ezero8]

For someone like you who tracks their car so often, yes, I think the Type R fits your lifestyle more.

[@loudogguitar2813]

I went FL5 to DE5 it's the move if you want the performance with the daily comfortability not tracking the vehicle

[@seb5945]

I think Honda's shifter is more aerodynamic than the Integra.

[@russelljones2468]

Still love the comfort of the ITS for us old guys.

[@randomrebuilds]

Yes. $7k savings, better color selection paired with styling and a more raw driving experience.

[@Marbind]

More raw how?
Is the same car 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@anthonyseto]

@@Marbind mostly the same. The dampening is difference. The CTR is less forgiving as a commuter car because it makes you feel every bump in the road even in comfort. It also has less insulation so you’re going to have more NVH. Some might consider that raw. Some will call it cheap 🤷‍♂️

[@joseperalta8605]

My brother has a red integra type s and I just got my champ white fl5 and we both love the type r.

[@lucbegin7334]

There's also the collectability and ultimate resale value down the line to consider. The R is limited numbers, built in Japan and will retain a higher overall desirability and value. Let alone the JDM aftermarket support. The S is initially costlier, not limited, built in the US and will have a lower collection value and a lesser historic automotive significance. Make my choice the CTR.

[@Marbind]

That isn’t entirely true.
The Integra is made in limited numbers under the same standards as the ones in Japan. FL5 uses an engine build in USA.
Japan is suffering from a crisis of quality control right now. They are no longer what they used to be.
Another thing is that the CTR is sold worldwide in great numbers. The ITS is sold only in North America.
You make it sound like they are totally different cars but in reality they are the same. The majority of aftermarket parts made for the CTR will work on the ITS.

[@Superdimensional]

I see far more CTR’s on the road than ITS…. So not sure about this, but time will tell.

[@ph4z0n18]

The ITS is more limited than the type R; look up the production and sale numbers. That’s because Acura is a more luxury brand with fewer dealers, and you can only get the ITS in North America.
Besides that they’re the same car mechanically and all the parts are interchangeable between the two

[@lucbegin7334]

All fair points, and as pointed out, 100% true for the US market, but not other countries, including Canada, the only other country with the Type S? From a purely Canadian pov, there will only be about 560 R's ever sold here but an unlimited amount, based on sale demands for the S. Here at least, you got the R if you placed your reservation early, and settled for an S if you didn't. I've been waiting two years for my CW 2025 model but could walk into any Acura dealer and buy an S tomorrow. So for here at least, much rarer and much more desirable. Cheers all and great comments.

[@Unicornpirate]

It's not built in Japan. Its built in the USA and shipped to Japan

[@A_guan]

Back when I got my integra type s I didn't even consider the type R because I've always wanted a type R but in a suit which is what the type s was. If ITS was never a thing an is500 would have been in my garage

[@prm5798]

ITS owner here with 3k trouble free miles. There are several differences you didn’t mention, HUD, Auto wipers, better stock exhaust, full Led lights, heated seats, better warranty,auto dimming mirror,TPMS readings, bumper proximity sensors,power driver seat. I don’t think it justifies 7k price difference, but maybe half of it.

[@williamk1800]

Supposedly, also twice the paint clearcoat on Acuras compared to Hondas.

[@RelaxAndSmokeMeth]

thats a lie​@@williamk1800

[@l6echo53]

Because of the price I would not have done it

[@alexguolo5872]

no worries in 2 years ill buy it for less then half he paid

[@30hours51]

@@alexguolo5872 good luck, fk8 never depreciated and always stayed near MSRP

[@mx5moon]

I test drove a Type S, and I bought the Type R. The seats in the R are WORLDS better, there is a bit more rear headroom (needed for my kids), the stereo in the R is more neutral/linear and my preference over the very bass heavy ITS stereo, and gauges/LogR is just a must have for me. I have an ITS damper control module on order, the OEM damper tuning is laughable and unrealistic for the real world. Other than that, the tire noise on the OEM tires is intense. I will likely swap tires, upgrade pads and fluid, and just enjoy the car (and a couple of track days a year).

[@RuiMeirelesPacheco]

Thanks for the video! At the end of the day it’s all in the name: Type Sport (or Street) vs Type Race. The Integra is the better daily driver, the Civic the better track car.

[@vlj1133]

Your unusually high degree of candor is genuinely refreshing. Most reviewers who own either the Type R or Type S greatly exaggerate the perceived differences between the two, and always in their car's favor. You didn't do that. For example, you didn't automatically take the default position that the Integra has the "better" sound system, or that it has "much less NVH than the Type R." Instead, you pointed out that the ELS system in the Integra is very bassy, and not very clear, which was exactly what savagegeese discovered in their sound graphs when they tested the two systems. They ultimately concluded that the Bose in the Type R actually sounds clearer and better, without the overabundance of bass. Similarly, you may also be the first reviewer who really knows both cars to state that the Type S really isn't any quieter than the Type R, despite the supposed lack of sound-deadening materials in the Type R. Ditto, regarding the real-world power of each motor, where you again told it like you saw it. Then again, a Type S presumably running on California's 91 Premium (rather than the 93 octane for which it's tuned to make that extra power over the Type R) isn't going to make any more power than the FL5, which is tuned for 91 octane.
No idea why Acura and Honda did this. Why tune one for 93 and the other for 91, especially when they're aware that many of their markets (such as California) don''t offer 93?
I was also curious to see whether you would notice any difference between the two in either the steering or shifting, since those are two areas where many reviewers have claimed that the Type R feels slightly sharper/more direct. You didn't feel there was any noticeable difference. Fair enough. Just more honesty on your part.
In the end, I chose the Type R over the Type S, for a number of reasons. First of all, it's $7K less expensive, and I was eventually able to get a Boost Blue '24 FL5 for msrp, with no dealer markup or B.S. dealer add-ons. Secondly, I feel the Type R is the more "special" car, with the greater lineage and focus of purpose. I like that it stays true to its racier heritage. Next, I absolutely think it looks better, inside and out. I don't dislike the exterior of the Type S, but I much prefer the Type R's exterior looks, which I also feel will age much better than the Type S's more generic Japanese Sporty Car design. In terms of the interior, my preference there is even stronger for the Type R, largely due to those fantastic red seats, which not only look a lot better, but are also simply superior seats. Other things I prefer with the Type R are the +R gauges and shift lights, and the LogR displays. All therse things definitely add to the Type R's cool factor. Another point in the Type R's favor is its larger, lower hatch opening. Much better design there. Lastly, I knew that for only $215 I would be able to duplicate the one thing that absolutely weighs in the Type S's favor, which is the suspension damping. Being able to pop in the ITS ADS module eliminated the Type S's only real advantage, and I''m still basically $7K ahead, while also still having the option of swapping back to the racier CTR module whenever I want.
Time will tell, but dollar to dollar, I also suspect that the Type R will end up having the superior resale value.

[@Marbind]

The integra has a lower max boost. Has a more aggressive timing.
The powerband is fater in the integra as Savagageese demonstrated on their back to back dyno tests.

[@ph4z0n18]

SG also showed the its is a few decibels quieter in the cabin with a much better exhaust system. Their graphs also showed a better midrange and trebel on the its with the sound system

[@vlj1133]

@@Marbind Run a Type S on 91 octane, which is what Honda recommends for the Type R, and the Type S's tuned-for-93 octane power advantage disappears. Here in California, as well as in many other U.S. states, 93 octane is not available.

[@ph4z0n18]

I think msrp for msrp the type r is a solid purchase, but any markup and you should just put that towards the more premium version of the same car.

[@NoTechHacker]

I wanted heated seats and AWD, so I bought a Mk8 Golf R instead. I was coming from a 2017 Focus RS, which I kept (my son is driving it now). I definitely considered the Type S in the gold color they have. The price jump was just more than I wanted to go, and I didn’t want to pay any dealer markup.

[@Nick-hz2kl]

My friend bought one and his girl bought a Supra . They tracked both last week and the Type R only did one lap before having issues. The Supra had no issues all day

[@kothareddykrishna]

Honda quality sucks now. Avoid Honda at all costs

[@Marbind]

Let me guess. The CTR has a bigger FMIC.

[@Nick-hz2kl]

@@Marbind my friends type R had issues after one lap . His girlfriend’s Supra GR drove perfect all day doing laps .

[@Marbind]

@@Nick-hz2kl read my comment again

[@Nick-hz2kl]

@@Marbind I read it bro . I don’t know what you are getting at . I never mentioned anything about the type R intercooler .

[@Xx760ImpactxX]

In my opinion, both vehicles are solid , I own one and have drove both, get what makes sense for you.

[@Topsecret888...]

There's 3 cars you can get with the 2.0 turbo. Type R, type S and Accord. So, here's my list.
1. Type R
2. Type S
3. Accord.
Conversation piece. Type R. Top dog. End of debate. Type S will always come second. It's NOT the R. And it's more of a GT, or grand touring. Accord will always come in last with that 2.0 turbo. There you have it.

[@Marbind]

Type S is posting the same times as the Type R everywhere.
The TLX also comes with the K20 Turbo

[@gman9mm1]

Something about the Integra’s looks are 10x better for me and it’s my dream car. It does make me sad that there’s no shift lights and fun things that the R got, but it also seems possible to retrofit the screens and whatnot from the R into the S. Idk. Maybe they’ll do a mid-gen update with more features?

[@mentorofarisia371]

For me, I wanted to buy from a local dealer, where both the CTR and ITS are sold at MSRP. I was not aware of the possibility of a swap of the suspension module. it was a matter of which became available. The production numbers are so small. I prefer the look, heated seats, stereo, steering wheel, shift knob and suspension of the ITS, but the comfortable seats, gauges and instrument panel of the CTR. For seats, I would definitely trade power adjustment and heat for comfort and bolstering in the CTR.

[@marcusw.538]

I appreciate your channel. FYI - It's not Alcantara. The material is a suede-effect fabric. The only Alcantara the FL5 has to offer is with the OEM steering wheel accessory.

[@yenny527]

Type R feels more special than the Type S.

[@eutanasio31]

Type s is the water down version of the type r

[@ryanuncensored]

I bought my type 6 for msrp (boost blue). I had a black Type S at $49.9 brand new from Acura here in CT. The Type S is not selling here in the Northeast. The resale will not be as good as with the type R.

[@TexasExotic]

Entertained the Integra but went with the FL5. Overall the better buy IMO.

[@spdandpwr]

Acura talked about sound deadening versus the Civic when they launched the ILX and there wasn't a noticeable difference. They are saying the same thing now with the Type R vs the Type S and still nobody can tell the difference.

[@joshuaogden8446]

Well of course. Type S is essentially a GSR. Or that was the case in the past with the DC5 Type S vs the DC5 Type R. The Type R more sporty track and Type S more luxury comfort.

[@Car00071]

If I could have bought a FL5 for MSRP when I was looking I would have bought a CTR. I got my ITS in September and the cheapest FL5 I found was 5k over. Type S was about 7k more so it was a no brainer for me.

[@victorpirsoul3979]

I’ve not seen the Integra so, since you own it, it would have been cool to see a direct comparison to the things you were talking about. I know you’re familiar with both vehicles but, unfortunately, I’m not.

[@progpogs]

Did the clutch feel different to you? I felt like on my test drive the CTR was a little more on/off, and the ITS was a little more normal.

[@JFlogerzi]

I think yes as well. More Classic Honda look

[@boots_n_coots]

I chose the Honda. Why? I’m still not sure. Perhaps I just like the Type R styling more, both inside and out. The suspension in comfort mode is great; perfectly tuned for the street - the other two modes are useless as delivered. I think I may swap out the module.
Car bought in L.A. in Dec. ‘23. I paid the Integra MSRP for the privilege of walking straight in and taking the black FL5 right off the showroom floor. Yes, I know I’m an idiot, please don’t beat me up. The car is an absolute hoot and I have no regrets.

[@ryu6998]

You forgot to mention TPMS readings, wish i had that on my FL5

[@anthonyseto]

This is because as a track car, Honda wanted people be able to change wheels without having to deal with TPMS errors or reprogramming. If you track a car, you check your pressure after every session.

[@ph4z0n18]

@@anthonysetosounds like a very nice way of saying they wanted to save a buck on production costs

[@anthonyseto]

@@ph4z0n18 this was talked about in Savagegeeses review of the CTR after an exclusive interview with Honda engineers. It doesn’t have tpms that shows actually PSI but it still shows low pressure but using the wheel speed sensors to rotational speed. Will it show you a slow leak? No. Will it show you a major loss of tire pressure? Yes. Again, for track use, this makes sense. The CTR is a very intentionally designed car. At manufacturing volume, I bet 4 modern tpms sensors is

[@ph4z0n18]

@@anthonyseto yeah it just won’t tell you which tire specifically is low and by how much.
Most people use the type r as a daily too. So the track argument doesn’t really make sense unless you only track the type r and never really daily it

[@anthonyseto]

@@ph4z0n18 yes, most will daily (I’m one of them), but the CTR is a relatively low volume specialized flavor of the civic. People who buy them know what they are getting it into. It’s a dual purpose car that continually wins accolades including Top Gear Magazines Performance Car of the Year because it’s a legit track car too. The car is going to have compromises to be the “Goldilocks” of sport hatches/sedans. Your average Joe who knows nothing about cars isn’t going into a dealership to pay $46k for a CTR. You want fancy TPMS, buy another car (like an Si).
Do you really care what your PSI is on a daily driver or do you cars if the tire pressure is low? Most people don’t care. They want to know if their tire needs air or not. For that purpose, the car still delivers while also not being annoying as hell to people like me who also tracks the car and will (when I get a set) swap rims/tires to track specific rubber.

[@jacktaylor2472]

The Acura interior team really got it wrong those darn seats. They just don’t belong is a car like this.

[@ravenstylea2]

Feel like the FL5 Type R car needs lowering springs to make it 10/10 vs 9/10 appearance wise.

[@ph4z0n18]

The ITS is the better car in almost every way stock for stock. You get all the type r performance but you also some more livability and luxury. If a dealer wants markup for the R, there’s no reason to just put that money towards the S

[@williambellisIII]

Different perspective here. I don’t want the luxuries. A more spartan interior fits the driving experience.

[@ph4z0n18]

@@williambellisIIIspartan makes sense up till a certain price point. At 40k+ I personally expect certain things out of the car that the type r doesn’t have. Still though, the seats are nice; but to me that’s really the only main thing the type r has over the s. What sold me on the S was the livability and better burblier exhaust

[@Theanhdy]

DE5 with FL5 seats and done

[@genericasian]

I just noticed that the Type R has a manual rear view mirror, vs the auto dimming in the ITS. Granted, I've already swapped mine with an Accord mirror with Homelink...
Also, my weird pet peeve: the CTR doesn't have a sunglasses holder in the center console.

[@racsowang]

To me both these cars could be great daily vehicles with back seats and a decent-sized trunk. With that 7k less MSRP I think CTR is a great value too.

[@pgrizzly6771]

FL5 looks better. We wanted the new integra to be something similar to the DC9 if that I would got the type S. But I’m glad I got mine fl5 daily

[@closg9309]

Type S exhaust with burbles is worth the price over the Civic

[@HelloWorld-xu1bx]

Type r good specially if you can only afford 1 car to use and considering for family and sport thing at the same time. Good space.

[@mrnrfan182]

I shopped both when trading in my FK8. Personally I found the Type S to be a pretty lackluster “luxury” car:
Seats are worse than the Type R. They’re poorly bolstered and basic looking.
The gauge cluster is pretty bland. No fun S200 option and it honestly felt more Civic like than the Civic.
Its additional 6 inches of length were more noticeable than I thought. It’s a bit of a boat.
It lacks basic luxury features like a heated steering (as standard), cooled / ventilated seats, a power passenger seat, rear HVAC, or memory settings for your seats.
I love the ITS front fascia but the stuck on rear flares are noticeably tacked on. They look pretty bad up close and because they’re plastic they aren’t truly paint matched.
And finally, the price. We pay a luxury tax on vehicles above 50k and a yearly property tax as well. Which not only made the ITS more expensive to purchase, but it also means paying more taxes for essentially a rebadged Honda Civic.
The FL5 is more car for the money. And if luxury is reasoning behind buying the Acura, just know my 40k CX-30 turbo technically has MORE luxury features than the ITS. Certainly not apples to apples but come on, I get more creature comforts as standard in a plebeian grocery getter.
And I won’t get into the Japanese vs American assembled debate…
In the end I found an FL5 for MSRP and that sealed the deal.

[@ka124as]

modding the damper module is a biggest difference of the cars in daily use.

[@zone47]

The type S will cost closer to $10K more than the type R.... MSRP bottom line including tax. There isn't enough difference to justify that, plus the type R to me looks better and drives better overall. I agree, the sound deadening just isn't happening with just about any Honda product. You'd have to buy a German car to fix that.

[@Flexk88]

Kinda weird to see a youtube car review on the streets where I live.

[@Marbind]

Savagegeese measured a quieter cabin on the ITS 🤷🏻‍♂

[@Weuds]

I think specifically because you actualy track the car refularly, the Fl5 would have been a better choice for you.

[@raulcolmenares77]

I wouldn’t waste my money on neither of these car rather have my boosted dc5 better lol

[@fidelj3025]

Yoy can switch out the sound module from the Type S into the Type R and it makes the engine rev sound more better

[@shamalabadingdong]

I agree with the type s module the type r suspension is probably better than the old elantra N.
The new elantra N (2024+) actually has a different suspension module too. Up until the 2023 model, the range of adjustability was limited to 60% of the full range. The new N apparently rides much softer in its softest setting. Looking forward to see you drive one and hear your thoughts

[@importraceramimportraceam1756]

I wouldn’t mind seeing a 2024 EN video review either. Would be curious to know if that would be a FK8 CTR replacement or if I should wait for prices of FL5/DE5 to come down (whenever that might be…)

[@shamalabadingdong]

@@importraceramimportraceam1756 the 2023 is already a better car imo. Much more reliable on track. Speed academy actually got the 2022 EN in a manual to run faster at TMP than the fk8.
The biggest advantage of the fl5 is how much tire it comes with (265 on 9.5's vs 245 on 8). I've already seen many examples of the EN being faster when on a similar tire size.
Used fk8's with 60k on them are still similarly priced to a new 2023 EN. The 2024 is a good amount more expensive, I personally think the 2023 EN for 33k was the best deal we were gonna get.

[@importraceramimportraceam1756]

@@shamalabadingdong good feedback there. How much are 2024 EN’s? Aren’t they still $35k msrp for a manual or did they go up?

[@shamalabadingdong]

@@importraceramimportraceam1756 35k, 36k with certain paint colors. Actually not as bad as I thought, basically a 800usd increase over one year.
I think from 2022 to 2023, the price only increased around $400. It was actually cheaper when accounting for inflation

[@StrongerThanEver84]

i didnt even watch the video, just answering your video title but yes.... yes you should have

[@yuuki9344]

Market on these are def getting better, got a dealership to haggle down to 1k markup but still decided to wait for one at msrp anyways. In SoCal btw.

[@carlosayala7233]

Which dealer?

[@chrisvigo4880]

I love my fl5!!!

[@angelomandato9439]

ITS has some key features not in type-R:
* Heads up display.
* Built in /subtle wide body kit.
* Tire pressure gauge.
* Slightly lighter 19" wheels.
* Made in Marysville, Ohio
* No big rear wing.
* Different, more premium color options
If I was younger Type-R would be the right car. The blue ITS is the perfect blue in my opinion. With the heads up display it reminds me of my 2007 Si Sedan. The module swap is a game changer though, if you want the balance of a street car but also a track car, the type-R is the right car. Cost wise, I think these cars should only be 4-5k apart, 7k + the type-R is the better deal. But I still prefer my Type-S, it's more rare/special.

[@Marbind]

-Rain Sensing wipers
-Longer Warranty
-Wider Powerband (Check Savagegeese review includes dyno of both cars)
-Cooler Exhaust Note
-Leatherette Interior
-HUD
-Sunglass holder
-Door Sill Plates
-Wheels with TPMS
-Radar Sensors in the bumpers
-Sound Deadening
-Aggressive body kit
-Premium Sound System
-Powered Driver Seat with plenty of adjustments
-Heated Front Seats
-Easier to jackup from the rear, no need to remove anything
-Pearl Color Palette in the exterior

[@angelomandato9439]

@@Marbind great list, even more detailed. Does the type-R have the auto dimming mirror? I easily swapped in an Accord dimming mirror with the homelink to add garage door openers without having to run any wires.
Type S also does not have the front fender vents, feature if you don't want rocks flying though and scratching the doors.

[@jcmno5080]

ITS should have been built in Japan 😢

[@Marbind]

@@jcmno5080 the car is built under the same procedures as the ones on japan using the same mechanical parts.
This is nonsense.
Japaneses automakers aren’t longer what they were. They are under investigation right now for lying to the local government and who knows what else.

[@vjdfl5]

I just don't get what makes the Acura that much more.. the biggest difference is the damping module, and that is $300. You get basic Acura seats, and the quality really isn't that big of a difference from the CTR. Nowhere near 8k more. The Acura still doesn't have rear vents or charging either..

[@Marbind]

7K gives you
-Rain Sensing wipers
-Longer Warranty
-Wider Powerband (Check Savagegeese review includes dyno of both cars)
-Cooler Exhaust Note
-Leatherette Interior
-HUD
-Sunglass holder
-Door Sill Plates
-Wheels with TPMS
-Radar Sensors in the bumpers
-Sound Deadening
-Aggressive body kit
-Premium Sound System
-Powered Driver Seat with plenty of adjustments
-Heated Front Seats
-Pearl Color Palette in the exterior
Among other things.

[@anthonyseto]

@@Marbind true. The deal breaker for me was the bolted on fenders flares on the rear. Couldn’t do it. Love my FL5 even after coming from a 718GTS

[@Marbind]

@@anthonyseto i like them.
Reminds me the fk8.

[@anthonyseto]

@@Marbind as long as you do, that’s all that matters. I’m willing to be 95% of people who hate on either car have never actually driven one.

[@vjdfl5]

​@@Marbind Leather usually isn't any more expensive than Alcantara, and its still just the basic Acura seat that is in all of their other cars. Sunglass holder probably costs like $25. The Honda also has a wide body kit. Rain sensing usually isn't that expensive either, its just a sensor. The exhaust sounds better bc of the res delete, which also isn't expensive. Literally everything but the HUD and sound system are very inexpensive

[@johnny1668jj]

Bro you are in my neighborhood lol. Would you do a video about my 2023 sequoia TRD pro?

[@squanify]

Will the CTR seats fit easily in the Type S without mods? If so, thats my choice. Type S

[@GTR003121]

The Type R is the better of the two imo. It's more focused, and looks much better - especially its flared body compared to the Type S's tacked on flare look.

[@nicknyce718]

That’s exactly what I said. I like the body design and how smooth it is on the FL5. The DE5 definitely looks like you added a wide body kit to it rather than it being made that way.

[@Marbind]

@@nicknyce718 Curiously that wasn't a problem with the FK8.

[@nicknyce718]

@@Marbindnever had an FK8. I always felt it was too busy with its styling. It grew on me but the FL5 is perfect.

[@alexg9727]

for the price Ill buy a used porche or AMG 2 years old out of lease and smoke this. Honda quality is not what it used to be anyways and for 60K this is NOT worth it lmao

[@philochristos]

I would rather have the leather wrapped knob so I don't burn my hand. I live in Texas.

[@da-yh3uy]

"better material" for interior in a type s but yet there's no piano black in an fl5 xD

[@Sayu2x]

I want one. Waiting if they are going to do a refresh of the FL5 with some suspension improvements/cooling improvements

[@Zygrene]

Those 2 improvements would go a long way

[@2HRenovation]

Not if it’s marked up to $70k.

[@louisho7493]

Would the damping module change mess with the warranty in any way?

[@davidvang7975]

How much is auto insurance between the two?

[@rexandninja]

The integra was cheaper by about $50 less monthly if you average it.

[@roxys744]

Uh, you know when to shift by listening the engine. If you need lights to tell you when to shift, stay off the track and get an automatic! Lol

[@craigyirush3492]

All race cars use shift lights, but other than that, great point!

[@importraceramimportraceam1756]

As a current FK8 owner, either of which (FL5 and DE5) would be a nice upgrade and will likely replace my current CTR. I still need (used) prices to come down a bit. My ideal car is a ~50k mile CPO car which I have not seen for sale just yet given how new both cars are. What’s everyone’s predictions with regards to prices say in the next 18 months or so? At that point it will be 2026 and the CTR will be 3 model years old…any chance they will get into the $36-38k range? Also, here’s a question, which car FL5 or DE5 holds value better (and why) and which depreciates quicker? That, alone, could dictate my purchase. I really think the DE5’s look SUPER sharp, especially in white

[@williambellisIII]

Have you driven an FL5 or DE5? They’re great but almost too refined (especially the Integra). I prefer the slightly more raw and rowdy FK8.

[@importraceramimportraceam1756]

@@williambellisIII I have not driven the ITS or FL5. The fk8 is a blast to drive. The exterior styling (I knew what I was getting into so no shock there) and the extremely laggy infotainment system are my two biggest gripes.

[@magicwaffl3z]

I would imagine the FL5 would hold value better due to the type R legacy, and it being manufactured in japan vs the ITS being manufactured in America.

[@importraceramimportraceam1756]

@@williambellisIII I have heard this before. I would imagine that is kind of the “point” of the ITS. The rawness, rowdiness, and overall go-kart feeling is something I’ve grown to love about the FK8 even if the K20C1 doesn’t produce the best sounds. I imagine the FL5 still feels like a go-kart (especially compared to modern 4 door vehicles). Does the FL5 handle noticeably better than the FK8 or is that something that can only be detected by RFID monitoring systems on track, a couple seconds quicker here and there?

[@williambellisIII]

@@importraceramimportraceam1756 The FL5 gets better traction in first and second, mostly because of the 20mm wider tires. I’m not sure if they were able to reduce front lift or anything else. It feels awfully flat when cornering, even slightly flatter than the FK8. I just think it’s easier to rotate the rear of the FK8, which is enjoyable. Maybe it’s my imagination - I need more FL5 seat time - but the FK8 seems to be a bit happier at the top of the rev range, which I also prefer. I haven’t tracked either, but all of the data shows super close lap times, especially on equal tires.

[@xmistaxcashxcoll]

This shit is fast!

[@henryreyes8947]

How’s the ac on the type r I hear it’s weak not sure if it’s the first or second version

[@NCLme]

I think if you Love typeR seats you should go for it 🤔 if it was up to me buy the type S add the typeR seats all bolts-Ons 😅😅😅

[@magicwaffl3z]

Have you done an elantra N vs FL5 video already? Would love to hear your thoughts if not

[@Zangetsu1435]

Has there yet been a way found to use the FL5 LogR software on the DE5?

[@williamc4353]

I went looking for type R but found out for the cost could get a GT mustang with 480hp. Civic should have been a 40k max

[@Marbind]

If handling could be measured in horsepower the Mustang GT would be 300hp and the Civic R 480hp.
Source Throttle House leader board shows a S650 GT with PP lapping slower times than a DE5/FL5.
All that power is meaningless if you have to slowdown at cheap rental car speeds in a turn. 😂

[@30hours51]

Which wears tires and brakes a lot more, entirely different feelings and civic Type R drove a lot better excluding the engine sound

[@quinnregis5141]

To his own. I drove a GT mustang - much different feeling than the Type R. + only 2 doors.

[@1laimmiss]

​@@Marbind if lap times are important to you than yes. If drag racing and roll racing is your thing than CTR is slow as fuck

[@Marbind]

@@1laimmiss not really. You don’t need a track to enjoy a car that handles incredibly well.
Ask me how I know.

[@IJones]

i wonder how different the suspension is from the civic hatchback and the type-r

[@jayczyzyk9707]

Night and day

[@kl3271]

Built in Japan > built in Ohio...

[@strawhatpirates4038]

honestly i like the spoiler

[@ppw350Zunit]

Someone please let me know where I can find a Championship White FL5 in SoCal. 🤔😞

[@hotdognobun]

Civic cause it just looks better

[@romeundernero]

Are FL5s available at MSRP now?

[@mtshark7]

Solid choice 😊

[@TMHTNN]

Any noticeable difference on road noise between the two?

[@ph4z0n18]

Savagegeese did measure a noticeable difference in their type s review

[@b864r]

They should of made an ITR instead of an ITS

[@4gosselin]

I only owned my new Acura Integra Type S for less than 1 month and was happy to turn it back in and pay the price for doing so. Civic R was no better. Massive torque steer and under powered. Brilliant steering is all I can say about this Honda based platform. Has made me appreciate my 2024 M2 even more.

[@Marbind]

I have a DE5 and if I go WOT in 1st or 2nd gear the steering wheel doesn’t move at all.

[@Tread1775]

Why not start in 2nd gear? I used to do this in my 90’ Civic Si.