I bought a 23’ HO dually this past summer. I’ve had duramax’s previously and have driven powerstrokes too. I drive commercially for a living and this is the closest thing to a commercial truck setup. The prices ram have set made it tough to justify a basic work truck compared to a loaded with leather ford or gm but if you are looking for a true work truck you can’t beat these. I have zero brand bias but can say I’ve been extremely impressed with the fit and finish and overall truck. The gauges on the display are so well thought out and definitely designed by people who tow and haul. Thanks for all of your wonderful content and expertise with your reviews.
Thank you sir! Well the prices of these trucks are out of control, base prices are up 15-20% from 2 years ago. but like you said these trucks do set up nicely for hauling.
I bought 19 HO SRW cclb bighorn brand new and invoice was $58k. It's such bullshit that the exact same truck is north of $75k today. My truck has the upgraded cloth and air suspension also.
@@TheGettyAdventures love your content! Do you still pick the Cummins engine out of the three brands? Even with the other two having the 10speed trannys? Also do the 2024 HO Cummins still have the valve failures happening?
Great video. I have a 2022 3500 HO SRW 3.73s and I pull a 14,000# 39 foot fifth wheel camper. I've found when towing with the cruise set at 70mph and going up hills that the truck tries to hold 6th gear too long then wants to drop to 4th. So, I've learned to drop it to 5th using the gear selector button when approaching hills and rarely does it have to drop to 4th to maintain speed unless it's an extremely steep hill. In fact, I find myself getting in the fast lane and passing cars going up hill. No patience for priuses slowing me down 😂!
I have a 2021 H/O SRW and ABSOLUTELY agree with you on the exhaust break! it's impressive. I tow a 16k 5th wheel tow hauler and the truck pulls it no problem The thing just pulls and When pulling grades I ussually just lock out the Trans to 5th gear and motor up any hill. Pulls like crazy! As far as MPG I didn't get it for great fuel economy I wanted to have the power. I purchased a 53 gallon Titan fuel cell to offset the fuel economy and extend range
Agree with the review. The Aisin is a wonderful transmission. It shifts perfectly. You can feel it deliberately engaging and smoothly disengaging and then smoothly engaging from one gear to the next. The Aisin protects itself.
@@tylerbuck9347I’m sure those people that complain about the Aisin don’t understand how to drive it. You can’t be lead footed & expect it to shift smoothly. If you roll your foot into the accelerator & allow the transmission to do its thing it is very smooth. If you treat it like a sports car you’ll be very unhappy. Use my 21 Longhorn Limited with the HO Cummins & Aisin as a daily driver & pull a 40’ 15,000 pound fifth wheel. It’s a great truck. The exhaust brake is truly phenomenal as Alex said!
@tylerbuck9347 I have 2023 HO with that same trans and no issues but like been said in another comment it's not a race car so you can't expect to stab out in it
@tylerbuck9347 I agree. Shifts great when towing but when driving unloaded it's not great. Mine shifts hard from 1st to 2nd under no load and quiet often bangs when it does. Unloaded it also up shifts to 6th gear way to quick, I don't want to be in 6th gear when driving 60km/h in town, if you don't push the pedal hard enough to force a down shift it's a dog to accelerate. I find it either shifts way too soon or im waiting too long for it to shift, it's not very predictable. They finally have aftermarket tuning out for the aisin which is supposed to help it drastically but I'm not sure it's worth the money yet.
I have the exact same setup with the airbag rear suspension. I tow a 14k camper with mine. I just bought last July and only have about 2500 miles on it. Huge difference in towing between this truck and my old 2500 Ram. I love the HO and the Aisin transmission!!
@@TheGettyAdventures see my comment about the Aisin. You have to let it do its thing. Once you learn how to drive it and it learns your driving style it is a very smooth daily driving transmission.
Just think if you bought a fully loaded Limited and then sent it to California and let Gale Banks do his thing on that truck!! Ok I just woke up but it’s a nice dream if you had 175k US for the whole dream!! Gale Banks Cummins Turbo Diesel it just looks and sounds awesome!! Great Video Again Thank You 🙏!!!
On the hill you'd ne better off not flooring it I've found... The torque falls off pretty quick with RPM. Ive found it pulls harder around 77 when it upshifts than around 73 in 4th. The cruise was happy with it accelerating, albeit slowly. The only downside to the 3500 is that it rides like absolute shit unloaded
Honestly I didn't find the ride that bad unloaded. I mean ya higher rpms isn't where this engine shines but I was upset that she was not feeding full boost into the engine. figured that was a good way to get max boost.
I've noticed that these trucks don't like to stay at your cruise speed all the time, even when going uphill and even unladen. The couple of times I've driven my mom's 19' 2500 with the Cummins I've noticed that when I've got the cruise on and start climbing a hill (without anything behind the truck bear in mind,) it likes to sit 1 or 2 mph below my set cruise speed. Not sure why it does that since I've driven other Ram and other FCA products and they'll all hold you at your set speed. Just something I thought of while watching you climb the hill and talk about this and the S.O. performance up the hill.
Now I'm wondering what happens if you were to put your foot into the hill on the SO? Maybe it would do better there too? So is it a software/tuning thing or does the SO really run out of steam on that hill?
@@aaronkelley8909 Are you pulling the same trailer and load as in this test? If not, then though you may like your trucks it's not a helpful comparison.
@@JohnSmith-ev1smI pull 14k often in a location that is mountainous and rough. The SO doesn’t run out of steam. The guys doing a review doesn’t even own these trucks. So take it from an actually owner.
I have a 2022 RAM 3500 Dually, HO Cummins, and it's only used to haul our camper. Our 5th wheel is just shy of 17K lbs, with a pin weight of almost 3500lbs. With the extra couple hundred pounds for the hitch, a SRW 3500 would have been pretty much maxed out on the cargo. That's why I went Dually, with a cargo capacity of almost 5400lbs. Zero worries, and it pulls our 43 ft 5th wheel like a boss. We went from PEI to Cape Breton last summer, and some of those large hills on the new highway were a breeze. The exhaust brake did exactly as it should, and the up hill torque was great! My dad was a trucker for over 50 years, so I've been around big trucks all my life. And this thing pulls hard for sure!
You should check out PD diesel. He had 8 or 9 ‘22’s in his fleet and basically all of them them blew up. I would recommend trading in before you get to 100k.
I have a 2020 ram 2500 and a 2022 ram 3500 HO DRW AND let me tell you the difference with towing my travel trailer (36ft grand design) is night and day! The 2500 tows good but I do definitely feel the weight behind me, the 3500 I don’t feel anything behind it. But fuel economy on the dually is horrible haha Great video!
He's ignorant!! I've owned the Cummins for Years. 2500 4x4 Manual Ram and I Jacked up my Current one. And better exhaust, AND the Actual After Market "TUNER". For More Power!! HP, TQ and fuel mileage!!
We have a 21 2500 ram Cummins and I have thrown a lot at the suspension. We tow a toy hauler bumper pull that’s around 9-10k loaded but the tongue weight is 1600 plus and I feel the 2500 ram rides harsh on bad roads especially in the rear. We have tried bags, WD hitches, full thuren suspension, incremental improvements. I am curious with your tests which of the 2500 and 3500 and power stroke 250 and 350 rides the best on rough roads under load like the 14k tests you did?
Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about how Ram switched to hydraulic lifters in the 6.7L back in 2019? As well that Ram recommends 10w30 oil at 24000km(~14k mi) intervals?
That truck is one of my all time dream trucks. Ram 3500 diesel, long bed, 4x4. Mega Cab if possible. Completely over the top, but man alive, what a beast of a truck. Did the HO get caught up in the recall?
@@bonezgarageandmore4584 I saw a company that modifies trucks that converted a MegaCab to a long bed. That thing is a beast. But having a MegaCab I can say it would not be a truck I’d want to drive daily on the east coast. 😳
We have a 21 2500 ram Cummins and I have thrown a lot at the suspension. We tow a toy hauler bumper pull that’s around 9-10k loaded but the tongue weight is 1600 plus and I feel the 2500 ram rides harsh on bad roads especially in the rear. We have tried bags, WD hitches, full thuren suspension, incremental improvements. I am curious with your tests which of the 2500 and 3500 and power stroke 250 and 350 rides the best on rough roads under load like the 14k tests you did?
Were you in Tow Haul when you were having the cruise control issues? My guess is that was the hangup. If you have over 1500 pounds behind ya then tow haul is a must.
I have a 2021 HO srw and the capability of this truck is truly impressive. I use mine for work and the exhaust brake is such a good feature. I appreciate the ability to monitor the information in real time and can see a lot of thought went into the set up on these trucks. I as a former Tundra owner feel good about the Asian transmission. I've added the Banks monster ram, Banks boost pipes, and Banks cold air intake. Debating on deleting.
I have a 2014 dually with 4.10s and the H.O. Cummins/Aisin combo. I've often towed 24000 lbs of gooseneck out here in hilly BC, and it's performed flawlessly. 220000km so far, in stock configuration. It's been a great truck.
@TheGettyAdventures I don't find it clunky or rough, but Ive heard this comment for more recent years. There were some software updates done to the truck in the first couple years of ownership
Traded my 2018 Ram Dually Tradesman in on a new 2024 Ram Laramie Dually HO. Can't wait to tow my 40' Toy Hauler to Utah this fall. I came from Ford F250, and after towing with my Ram, I haven't regretted it one bit. I'm 100% sold on RAM. What I have noticed without towing, it seemed like my 2018 had a quicker get up and go than the 2024. After you giving specs, I'm assuming it is because the boost seems to stay low unless I mash on it. Seems like a lot more lag now. Does that make sense that since the Compression ratio is lower it would lag more under same acceleration? Thanks for the great video!
What makes a 6.7 Cummins a HO? Perhaps a video talking about the differences between the SO and HO cummins will be nice. A video beyond the HP and Torque diffferences between the two.
With the 3.73 rears you have 400 hp and 1000 lbs of torque, with 4.10 rears you have 430 hp and 1075 lbs of torque. I have the 2023 Ram 3500 Cummins Ho with 3.73 rears and it's rated 400 hp 1000 lbs of torque.
Summer is a lot differentthan winter . Summer air thin winter air crisp . 370 hp 19 to1 compression high output 420 hp 16.1 to 1 compression less compression more boost.
In my 2021 3500 single rear wheel i put the transmission in5 gear at 58 mph my rpms are 1800 so i am at my 850 torque . I have no problems pulling hills with the same weight . Your truck and my truck are 373 gears .
Would you spec a standard 220 alternator or go for the 440 duals on a new 3500 HO Aisin order? Usage will be long road trips, light off road, overland, towing, lots of lights etc.camper. But no heavy towing or heavy off-roading, winching
I wish HD’s would publish towing / non towing MPG ratings. Just like they did with towing ratings- manufacturers come together and make a standard. I think the standard output is probably the right call for most. I’ve heard the MPG on the HO can be just terrible.
We have this setup in a 2024 RAM 3500 and love it. We're full-time RV'ers and pull a 5th wheel that's rated at 15K GVWR. The truck doesn't even know the trailer is back there. And as you mentioned the exhaust brake is great for managing the mountain roads we get out west. 10 out of 10 would purchase this truck again.
Can you show how to clear the "perform service" notification. I've d9ne the work as well as the 2 brake taps and 2 accelerator taps within 10 sec. But it still won't clear. I can't figure out what Im doing wrong.
The real difference between the high output and standard output engine is the transmissions. The standard output has that awful Chrysler 68RFE transmission. The high output has the far superior Aisin transmission. Cue that guy who will now say he owns the Chrysler transmission, has a half 1,000,000 miles on it, tows 20,000 pounds regularly and has never had a problem with it. Because this is the Internet
There is a guy that owns a trucking company and he ordered a new Dodge 5.9 3500 4x4 with manual transmission and he was driving it and asked where is the 3 stage Jake brake and salesman said they did not offer it so he talked to cummins and the do have a Jake brake was available so he had cummins put the Jake on it and with a straight pipe sounded so good when you heard it you would look for one of his Peter car but no a 5.9 cummins and it is pretty pricey and I don’t know what year it was I think it was 05-06 but he had to let cummins install it for warranty reasons and it was like 4-4.5 grand but he was very well off .
I would be interested to know your opinion on the Banks upgrades, especially the one that potentially repairs the Grid Heater bolt issue with the installation of the Monster Ram Intake system? I am in the market to potentially go diesel and love everything about the 6.7 with the exception of the Grid Heater bolt issue, what are your thoughts and would you consider discussing further on one of your episodes?
I've had both 6.7's and the Ford is faster and rides better unloaded. The 10spd shifts smooth and the truck pulls extremely hard. You can tell the RAM doesn''t use aluminum. That thing is heavy and feels more planted than the Ford. Both of them tow great.
Not to be that guy buy everything i know always says not tow with the cruise on. I know people do it but doesn't make it right. Same when its raining because if your tires break free the cruise can cause the tires to speed up. I have gone to allot of accidents with people using cruise when they should't of been using it.
I might be wrong at this but ive heard that the one time the engine produces its maximum rating is in 1st gear only. Ive heard that its tuned that way. Could be wrong
I pulled with a crew dually, standard diesel with 68rfe with 3:73 gears. I ended up getting a regular cab diesel dually with h.o. aisin 4:10 gears. Definitely happier pulling 28000 pounds with the latter.
First of all what a beautiful drive. Second of all, i want to know does the H.O. use a different turbo then the s.o. Also what to point out, you gotta be careful with that exhaust break in the snow, she works so good it'll put your ass end out sideways, i run mine every time i drive and forget to shut it off in the snowy icy conditions, and its put me sideways a few times
OOh Yeah!!. NOt after it get recalled and made emmision proper lol. Additionally, No it is NOT. Huff and buff up the hilll. The FORD power Stroke have something to say about that.
The Ram cruise control sucks for towing. It’s slow to downshift either climbing or when descending hills to use the exhaust brake. Manual shifting shows the capability much better.
If you took a srw and turned it into a dually, would it have the same tow rating a new dually would have? Both same gearing, engine, tranny, 3500, ect.
no recalls for the fifth gens. only 2013-2018 trucks had defeat devices on them. 2019+ fully met emissions. the issues was they did not fully reveal all software to EPA, which resulted in a penalty. but no recall.
I have a 2019 3500 Limited HO/Aisen, and I believe they did the VB6 recall on mine in 2020 according to my Ram app, and the recall notice without the big Fanfare going on about the $1.7 Billion dollar fine that Cummins caught. When I got the truck back from the dealer then, I did notice it wasn’t as peppy, with my test being an entry ramp onto the expressway that whenever I get on, I always punch it, and it would zoom to 90 MPH and allow me to merge without so much as a hiccup, but now seems a little less peppy, and definitely more DEF use.
I have a 22, SO 2500 limited. My 5th wheel comes in around 12k and it has lots of power. Certainly enough for what I’m pulling. I feel you were a little unfair to the SO Cummins with the 68rfe as you left the cruise on going up the big hill Love your videos and professional opinion
The current Federal Government through the EPA is going to look to lower the boom on all the Cummins Engines that were part of “diesel gate” I’m afraid. What’s worse, I could see a state like California going so far as to impose fines on owners who fail to complete the recall, or impounding the trucks altogether. They’re completely crazy over this stuff and the inmates are definitely free to run the asylum. Question is, how bad are the impacts of the changes going to be?
Cummins built after 10/1/19 are not impacted by the recall. Cummins failed to disclose the software scheme utilized on these years but they fully meet EPA regulations. The fine is for failure to disclose.
The 2500 has coil rear springs as the 3500 has conventional leaf springs hence the higher payload capacity. However the coil sprung suspension rides better.
Either ram engine combo sucks.. The trans tuning from factory is terrible and it makes it feel super sluggish.. If you get the 4.10gears its not as bad, but the aisin trans literally feel like a CVT.. If you drive one of these back to back against a Ford or Chevy you would never buy a Ram.. Peak tq is 1350 but the aisin will not let it lug down there.. It will downshift before peak, lugging is what an I6 diesel is supposed to do yet it blows thru the convertor like crazy..
Hi Alex. I think RAM 3500 Cummins engine is favorite between diesel options. Despite by the dieselgate scandal Cummins engine is still very reliable. It is my humble opinion. I like the vintage design! 😮 Thank's to share and appreciate your research and test.😊
@@TheGettyAdventures I guess if it's a drag race that matters.... Also, I think the jury is still out on that 10-speed which was created solely for emissions purposes.
Great Powertrain! I have an older ('14) Ram 3500 HO / Aisin and love the performance. I would like to compare a new one with the higher HP and torque numbers along with the better gearing (3.42 vs 3.73) but with the prices of new trucks, I will not tempt feeling the need to upgrade! Not to mention, with only 50,000 miles on my '14, it is just getting broken in! I am curious what the new EPA mandated reprogramming might do to my trucks performance. Maybe you can take on this topic and give us your thoughts.
Yes the ford & gm is faster but when towing it's about slowing down when you towing heavy and that's were the exhaust brake on the cummins shines. There's no comparison in which is an all around better tow rig
Hi, I'm a diesel mechanic from Ontario. To explain the cruise control, I believe Cummins call it "Cruise Control Upper/Lower Droop" you can play with these settings with Insite for large trucks (I don't work much with pickup trucks). Lower Droop: allows the vehicle to speed up above the cruise control speed during downhill operation. This is done to gain momentum and take advantage of gravity to lower fuel economy after leveling out from the downhill drive. Upper Droop: allows the vehicle's speed to drop below the cruise control set speed as load increases such as climbing a hill. The reason for this is also fuel economy, the engine won't boost up and use a lot of fuel on hill climbs. This is why your speed never reaches 110kph climbing up even though the truck is well capable of doing so!
@@TheGettyAdventurespayload on my 3500 SO is 4200 lbs, not an issue. Aisin no doubt is a stronger, commercial type transmission. The 68rfe is fine if the truck and engine remain in the stock configuration. The 68rfe can be tuned where the Aisin can not be tuned. Just depends what the consumer wants. Just because I disagree slightly doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy the video. 👍
Alex, Happy New Year ! The HO is a winner. The question is to Dulley or not? I don't see that many around, are they still popular? It was 13f low last night in NC. That was cold for us.
With the pricing being as close as it is, the HO 3500 is clear cut winner for anyone seriously needing a HD Ram truck. 13F in NC is cold wow, did you guys get any snow?
Question is: 1. How does it compare with the King of the hill Ford HO Power stroke and 2. No mention of Cummins emissions cheating scandal and massive sanctions.
Made a video all about that last week sir! but also 2019+ aren't getting recalled and fully passed emissions. those trucks were fined for failure to disclose software to EPA. but were and are fully compliant.
You've been brainwashed. Nothing against the Tundra as we use one for a delivery vehicle but it's a toy compared to the work this Ram can do. The Ram is the tool you pull out when you actually need to get work done.
I bought a 23’ HO dually this past summer. I’ve had duramax’s previously and have driven powerstrokes too. I drive commercially for a living and this is the closest thing to a commercial truck setup. The prices ram have set made it tough to justify a basic work truck compared to a loaded with leather ford or gm but if you are looking for a true work truck you can’t beat these. I have zero brand bias but can say I’ve been extremely impressed with the fit and finish and overall truck. The gauges on the display are so well thought out and definitely designed by people who tow and haul. Thanks for all of your wonderful content and expertise with your reviews.
Thank you sir! Well the prices of these trucks are out of control, base prices are up 15-20% from 2 years ago. but like you said these trucks do set up nicely for hauling.
I bought 19 HO SRW cclb bighorn brand new and invoice was $58k. It's such bullshit that the exact same truck is north of $75k today. My truck has the upgraded cloth and air suspension also.
Rams in general seem to be cheaper than ford and GM.
@@TheGettyAdventures love your content! Do you still pick the Cummins engine out of the three brands? Even with the other two having the 10speed trannys? Also do the 2024 HO Cummins still have the valve failures happening?
Great video. I have a 2022 3500 HO SRW 3.73s and I pull a 14,000# 39 foot fifth wheel camper.
I've found when towing with the cruise set at 70mph and going up hills that the truck tries to hold 6th gear too long then wants to drop to 4th. So, I've learned to drop it to 5th using the gear selector button when approaching hills and rarely does it have to drop to 4th to maintain speed unless it's an extremely steep hill.
In fact, I find myself getting in the fast lane and passing cars going up hill. No patience for priuses slowing me down 😂!
Weird, I have a 2020 and tow a 10k camper and mine downshifts to 5th perfectly. It actually downshifts too early for me.
I have a 2021 H/O SRW and ABSOLUTELY agree with you on the exhaust break! it's impressive. I tow a 16k 5th wheel tow hauler and the truck pulls it no problem The thing just pulls and When pulling grades I ussually just lock out the Trans to 5th gear and motor up any hill. Pulls like crazy! As far as MPG I didn't get it for great fuel economy I wanted to have the power. I purchased a 53 gallon Titan fuel cell to offset the fuel economy and extend range
What’s a titan fuel cell
It would be informative to have you repeat this test after the upcoming Cummins engine emissions "fix" is applied.
What’s your take on the Lifter issue on the 2022+ Cummins?
I'd get a 2500 6.4. You'll get great payload, stout 8spd and a trust big boy hemi. No Ramgate to worry about.
That 6.4 ain’t no diesel. The exhaust break alone is worth it.
6.4 2500 is a great option for the more weekend worrier without a doubt.
I have a 2018 2500 and 3500. Both put out 32psi of boost. You just need to stomp on the skinny pedal
Agree with the review. The Aisin is a wonderful transmission. It shifts perfectly. You can feel it deliberately engaging and smoothly disengaging and then smoothly engaging from one gear to the next. The Aisin protects itself.
Worth the extra cost every day of the week if you are going to spending that kind of money to begin with.
Cool comment but this isn't what I've heard about the aisin from others 😵💫
@@tylerbuck9347I’m sure those people that complain about the Aisin don’t understand how to drive it. You can’t be lead footed & expect it to shift smoothly. If you roll your foot into the accelerator & allow the transmission to do its thing it is very smooth. If you treat it like a sports car you’ll be very unhappy. Use my 21 Longhorn Limited with the HO Cummins & Aisin as a daily driver & pull a 40’ 15,000 pound fifth wheel. It’s a great truck. The exhaust brake is truly phenomenal as Alex said!
@tylerbuck9347 I have 2023 HO with that same trans and no issues but like been said in another comment it's not a race car so you can't expect to stab out in it
@tylerbuck9347 I agree. Shifts great when towing but when driving unloaded it's not great. Mine shifts hard from 1st to 2nd under no load and quiet often bangs when it does. Unloaded it also up shifts to 6th gear way to quick, I don't want to be in 6th gear when driving 60km/h in town, if you don't push the pedal hard enough to force a down shift it's a dog to accelerate. I find it either shifts way too soon or im waiting too long for it to shift, it's not very predictable. They finally have aftermarket tuning out for the aisin which is supposed to help it drastically but I'm not sure it's worth the money yet.
I have the exact same setup with the airbag rear suspension. I tow a 14k camper with mine. I just bought last July and only have about 2500 miles on it. Huge difference in towing between this truck and my old 2500 Ram. I love the HO and the Aisin transmission!!
The Aisin isn't the smoothest unit but she is strong and reliable.
Thats good to know. i dont care about it being smooth. I just want it to last and not give me to many issues.
@@TheGettyAdventures see my comment about the Aisin. You have to let it do its thing. Once you learn how to drive it and it learns your driving style it is a very smooth daily driving transmission.
Just think if you bought a fully loaded Limited and then sent it to California and let Gale Banks do his thing on that truck!! Ok I just woke up but it’s a nice dream if you had 175k US for the whole dream!! Gale Banks Cummins Turbo Diesel it just looks and sounds awesome!! Great Video Again Thank You 🙏!!!
The trans missions are lazy you have to put in fifth your self .
The Aisin transmission was a good move. Aisin is part Toyota.
The cruise control issue is the same experience I have. Normally do not use cruise during climbs and then it really shines on towing
On the hill you'd ne better off not flooring it I've found... The torque falls off pretty quick with RPM. Ive found it pulls harder around 77 when it upshifts than around 73 in 4th. The cruise was happy with it accelerating, albeit slowly. The only downside to the 3500 is that it rides like absolute shit unloaded
Honestly I didn't find the ride that bad unloaded. I mean ya higher rpms isn't where this engine shines but I was upset that she was not feeding full boost into the engine. figured that was a good way to get max boost.
I've noticed that these trucks don't like to stay at your cruise speed all the time, even when going uphill and even unladen. The couple of times I've driven my mom's 19' 2500 with the Cummins I've noticed that when I've got the cruise on and start climbing a hill (without anything behind the truck bear in mind,) it likes to sit 1 or 2 mph below my set cruise speed. Not sure why it does that since I've driven other Ram and other FCA products and they'll all hold you at your set speed.
Just something I thought of while watching you climb the hill and talk about this and the S.O. performance up the hill.
Now I'm wondering what happens if you were to put your foot into the hill on the SO? Maybe it would do better there too? So is it a software/tuning thing or does the SO really run out of steam on that hill?
Running out of steam has never been an issue for my SO. And I live in the Pacific North West.
@@aaronkelley8909 Are you pulling the same trailer and load as in this test? If not, then though you may like your trucks it's not a helpful comparison.
@@JohnSmith-ev1smI pull 14k often in a location that is mountainous and rough. The SO doesn’t run out of steam. The guys doing a review doesn’t even own these trucks. So take it from an actually owner.
My 2013 ram 2500 SO pulls my 13l fifth wheel just fine up hills. I keep the transmission in 3rd or 4th going up grades but it goes as fast as I want.
I have a 2022 RAM 3500 Dually, HO Cummins, and it's only used to haul our camper. Our 5th wheel is just shy of 17K lbs, with a pin weight of almost 3500lbs. With the extra couple hundred pounds for the hitch, a SRW 3500 would have been pretty much maxed out on the cargo. That's why I went Dually, with a cargo capacity of almost 5400lbs. Zero worries, and it pulls our 43 ft 5th wheel like a boss. We went from PEI to Cape Breton last summer, and some of those large hills on the new highway were a breeze. The exhaust brake did exactly as it should, and the up hill torque was great! My dad was a trucker for over 50 years, so I've been around big trucks all my life. And this thing pulls hard for sure!
You should check out PD diesel. He had 8 or 9 ‘22’s in his fleet and basically all of them them blew up. I would recommend trading in before you get to 100k.
Same here, 2022 3500, camper is only 10k and 2k pin. I love the truck, not worried about it at all on that blow up thing.
I have a 2020 ram 2500 and a 2022 ram 3500 HO DRW AND let me tell you the difference with towing my travel trailer (36ft grand design) is night and day!
The 2500 tows good but I do definitely feel the weight behind me, the 3500 I don’t feel anything behind it. But fuel economy on the dually is horrible haha
Great video!
2500 will do better without the cruise control on too….time to retest 😂
Ram’s cruise control isn’t strict, it will bleed a couple kph to keep RPM’s constant.
He's ignorant!! I've owned the Cummins for Years. 2500 4x4 Manual Ram and I Jacked up my Current one. And better exhaust, AND the Actual After Market "TUNER". For More Power!! HP, TQ and fuel mileage!!
We have a 21 2500 ram Cummins and I have thrown a lot at the suspension. We tow a toy hauler bumper pull that’s around 9-10k loaded but the tongue weight is 1600 plus and I feel the 2500 ram rides harsh on bad roads especially in the rear. We have tried bags, WD hitches, full thuren suspension, incremental improvements.
I am curious with your tests which of the 2500 and 3500 and power stroke 250 and 350 rides the best on rough roads under load like the 14k tests you did?
2011-2024 Ford 6.7 PowerStroke
406 cubic inches
Bore=3.897 inches(99.0mm)
Stroke=4.251 inches(108.0mm)
Why doesn’t anyone ever talk about how Ram switched to hydraulic lifters in the 6.7L back in 2019? As well that Ram recommends 10w30 oil at 24000km(~14k mi) intervals?
That truck is one of my all time dream trucks. Ram 3500 diesel, long bed, 4x4. Mega Cab if possible. Completely over the top, but man alive, what a beast of a truck.
Did the HO get caught up in the recall?
No recalls for the fifth gens actually. as of Jan 10th, EPA is only recalling 2013-2018 trucks.
Ram does not make a Mega cab with an 8 foot bed unfortunately.
@@bonezgarageandmore4584 I saw a company that modifies trucks that converted a MegaCab to a long bed. That thing is a beast. But having a MegaCab I can say it would not be a truck I’d want to drive daily on the east coast. 😳
We have a 21 2500 ram Cummins and I have thrown a lot at the suspension. We tow a toy hauler bumper pull that’s around 9-10k loaded but the tongue weight is 1600 plus and I feel the 2500 ram rides harsh on bad roads especially in the rear. We have tried bags, WD hitches, full thuren suspension, incremental improvements.
I am curious with your tests which of the 2500 and 3500 and power stroke 250 and 350 rides the best on rough roads under load like the 14k tests you did?
Thanks for this review. I just ordered my first diesel a week age 3500 SO
Another phenomenal video loaded with information!! Amazing work
Were you in Tow Haul when you were having the cruise control issues? My guess is that was the hangup. If you have over 1500 pounds behind ya then tow haul is a must.
Your channel is super underrated, you need more likes and subscribers!
I appreciate that!
@@TheGettyAdventures on of the best channels on UA-cam. Thanks Alex!
Anything on the horizon for the 24 Chevy 6.6 gas with a 10 speed????
Not really an apples to apples comparison. You tested the standard in warmer weather. All engines make more power at cold temperatures.
I have a 2021 HO srw and the capability of this truck is truly impressive. I use mine for work and the exhaust brake is such a good feature. I appreciate the ability to monitor the information in real time and can see a lot of thought went into the set up on these trucks. I as a former Tundra owner feel good about the Asian transmission. I've added the Banks monster ram, Banks boost pipes, and Banks cold air intake. Debating on deleting.
The Honda Ridgeline can't do that.
A ford ranger can 💪
But Hondas can do anything 😂😂
Put some Respect on the Honda Ridgeline sir! 😉
Have owned 3 Ridgeline's. Never any problems, just gas and go. Yes it wont tow BUT thats why you buy one of these too.
I have a 2014 dually with 4.10s and the H.O. Cummins/Aisin combo. I've often towed 24000 lbs of gooseneck out here in hilly BC, and it's performed flawlessly. 220000km so far, in stock configuration. It's been a great truck.
how to do you feel the Aisin shifts unloaded? I hear alot of folks complaining about rough shifting. It's a very tough unit either way.
@TheGettyAdventures I don't find it clunky or rough, but Ive heard this comment for more recent years. There were some software updates done to the truck in the first couple years of ownership
Traded my 2018 Ram Dually Tradesman in on a new 2024 Ram Laramie Dually HO. Can't wait to tow my 40' Toy Hauler to Utah this fall. I came from Ford F250, and after towing with my Ram, I haven't regretted it one bit. I'm 100% sold on RAM. What I have noticed without towing, it seemed like my 2018 had a quicker get up and go than the 2024. After you giving specs, I'm assuming it is because the boost seems to stay low unless I mash on it. Seems like a lot more lag now. Does that make sense that since the Compression ratio is lower it would lag more under same acceleration? Thanks for the great video!
$90,000 get a used Freightliner... Just sayin'... Good stuff thanks for posting...
What makes a 6.7 Cummins a HO? Perhaps a video talking about the differences between the SO and HO cummins will be nice. A video beyond the HP and Torque diffferences between the two.
With the 3.73 rears you have 400 hp and 1000 lbs of torque, with 4.10 rears you have 430 hp and 1075 lbs of torque. I have the 2023 Ram 3500 Cummins Ho with 3.73 rears and it's rated 400 hp 1000 lbs of torque.
Summer is a lot differentthan winter . Summer air thin winter air crisp . 370 hp 19 to1 compression high output 420 hp 16.1 to 1 compression less compression more boost.
In my 2021 3500 single rear wheel i put the transmission in5 gear at 58 mph my rpms are 1800 so i am at my 850 torque . I have no problems pulling hills with the same weight . Your truck and my truck are 373 gears .
Would you spec a standard 220 alternator or go for the 440 duals on a new 3500 HO Aisin order? Usage will be long road trips, light off road, overland, towing, lots of lights etc.camper. But no heavy towing or heavy off-roading, winching
Can we get some medium duty truck reviews? I am looking at buying a box truck and would appreciate your thoughts. Paccar? Detroit Diesel? Ford? GM?
I wish HD’s would publish towing / non towing MPG ratings. Just like they did with towing ratings- manufacturers come together and make a standard.
I think the standard output is probably the right call for most. I’ve heard the MPG on the HO can be just terrible.
It is a pity that the official importer into Australia only brings in the 3500 with the SO and 68 RFE.
That actually sucks. wow
@@TheGettyAdventures Agree mate. Maybe it has something to do with re engineering process to right hand drive.
We have this setup in a 2024 RAM 3500 and love it. We're full-time RV'ers and pull a 5th wheel that's rated at 15K GVWR. The truck doesn't even know the trailer is back there. And as you mentioned the exhaust brake is great for managing the mountain roads we get out west. 10 out of 10 would purchase this truck again.
the exhaust brake is wonderful on these engines. And ya having the HO with a heavy fifth wheel probably makes things just easier day to day!
Did you go with the Aisin or the 68rfe? I’m about buy a 2024 H.O. And I cannot for the life of me, decide on Aisin or 68rfe transmission.
@@ifixtruckz I went with the Aisin. Everything I read on this rig said that was the way to go. So far no issues at all with it.
Can you show how to clear the "perform service" notification. I've d9ne the work as well as the 2 brake taps and 2 accelerator taps within 10 sec. But it still won't clear. I can't figure out what Im doing wrong.
The real difference between the high output and standard output engine is the transmissions. The standard output has that awful Chrysler 68RFE transmission. The high output has the far superior Aisin transmission. Cue that guy who will now say he owns the Chrysler transmission, has a half 1,000,000 miles on it, tows 20,000 pounds regularly and has never had a problem with it. Because this is the Internet
There is a guy that owns a trucking company and he ordered a new Dodge 5.9 3500 4x4 with manual transmission and he was driving it and asked where is the 3 stage Jake brake and salesman said they did not offer it so he talked to cummins and the do have a Jake brake was available so he had cummins put the Jake on it and with a straight pipe sounded so good when you heard it you would look for one of his Peter car but no a 5.9 cummins and it is pretty pricey and I don’t know what year it was I think it was 05-06 but he had to let cummins install it for warranty reasons and it was like 4-4.5 grand but he was very well off .
I would be interested to know your opinion on the Banks upgrades, especially the one that potentially repairs the Grid Heater bolt issue with the installation of the Monster Ram Intake system? I am in the market to potentially go diesel and love everything about the 6.7 with the exception of the Grid Heater bolt issue, what are your thoughts and would you consider discussing further on one of your episodes?
Curious how the Ram compares to the Ford HO diesel with 500 hp and 1,200 lbs ft of torque
That is a great question, probably not good if I have to be honest. I think it would out perform the HO cummins
Ford HO 6.7 is a hotrod compared to the Ram HO. It’s once they are loaded heavy that the tables turn. Ram is slow and steady and feels more in control
80 more hp in the 6.7 . Gonna get up hills faster and have more acceleration overall.
I've had both 6.7's and the Ford is faster and rides better unloaded. The 10spd shifts smooth and the truck pulls extremely hard.
You can tell the RAM doesn''t use aluminum. That thing is heavy and feels more planted than the Ford.
Both of them tow great.
@@TheGettyAdventuresAt this stage, wouldn't an 8 speed Aisin be the best asset the Ram 3500 could get?
Not to be that guy buy everything i know always says not tow with the cruise on. I know people do it but doesn't make it right. Same when its raining because if your tires break free the cruise can cause the tires to speed up. I have gone to allot of accidents with people using cruise when they should't of been using it.
I might be wrong at this but ive heard that the one time the engine produces its maximum rating is in 1st gear only. Ive heard that its tuned that way. Could be wrong
I pulled with a crew dually, standard diesel with 68rfe with 3:73 gears. I ended up getting a regular cab diesel dually with h.o. aisin 4:10 gears. Definitely happier pulling 28000 pounds with the latter.
the extra power plus those higher gears makes a nice difference.
Do you think it’s good to get the dually 3500 with the standerd Cummins if I’m only towing 24,000 or less?
It will do it, but not as well@@carlosh6497
Do you know what rpm and gear it’s in at 90 Kph? That’s the limit for trucks here in Europe
First of all what a beautiful drive. Second of all, i want to know does the H.O. use a different turbo then the s.o.
Also what to point out, you gotta be careful with that exhaust break in the snow, she works so good it'll put your ass end out sideways, i run mine every time i drive and forget to shut it off in the snowy icy conditions, and its put me sideways a few times
Appreciate what our doing but you gotta get some other brands. I know they’re the big 3 but come on.
This is a beautiful truck. But i prefer the PowerWagon.
Truck is choked out they will never perform properly deleted and tuned it will rip your b-hole open
On their site they rate it 37k towing what’s up with that? You said in 20s?
OOh Yeah!!. NOt after it get recalled and made emmision proper lol. Additionally, No it is NOT. Huff and buff up the hilll. The FORD power Stroke have something to say about that.
2019+ aren't getting recalled. But yes the HO powerstroke is no joke!
Great video and very informative as always. So... any thoughts comparing this Ram HO to the Ford 6.7 HO.. close, one over the other?? Thx
Would love to see that comparison. I think the Ford HO would come out on top if I had to guess.
The Ram cruise control sucks for towing. It’s slow to downshift either climbing or when descending hills to use the exhaust brake. Manual shifting shows the capability much better.
I know but I just try and keep it fair. either way the HO had a ton of power going up those hills.
If you took a srw and turned it into a dually, would it have the same tow rating a new dually would have? Both same gearing, engine, tranny, 3500, ect.
Honestly not sure. I believe the Dually comes with a completely different larger differential and maybe heavier axles front and rear.
We need a “in my opinion” counter in these videos.
Great review! Love this truck. If you can get your hands on one I’d love to see a review on a 16-19 Nissan titan xd with the Cummins and Aisin.
That would be a cool truck to see
Same question - recall?
no recalls for the fifth gens. only 2013-2018 trucks had defeat devices on them. 2019+ fully met emissions. the issues was they did not fully reveal all software to EPA, which resulted in a penalty. but no recall.
I have a 2019 3500 Limited HO/Aisen, and I believe they did the VB6 recall on mine in 2020 according to my Ram app, and the recall notice without the big Fanfare going on about the $1.7 Billion dollar fine that Cummins caught. When I got the truck back from the dealer then, I did notice it wasn’t as peppy, with my test being an entry ramp onto the expressway that whenever I get on, I always punch it, and it would zoom to 90 MPH and allow me to merge without so much as a hiccup, but now seems a little less peppy, and definitely more DEF use.
One piece of junk I know I own one 18 recalls and counting !!!!
I have a 22, SO 2500 limited. My 5th wheel comes in around 12k and it has lots of power. Certainly enough for what I’m pulling.
I feel you were a little unfair to the SO Cummins with the 68rfe as you left the cruise on going up the big hill
Love your videos and professional opinion
The current Federal Government through the EPA is going to look to lower the boom on all the Cummins Engines that were part of “diesel gate” I’m afraid. What’s worse, I could see a state like California going so far as to impose fines on owners who fail to complete the recall, or impounding the trucks altogether. They’re completely crazy over this stuff and the inmates are definitely free to run the asylum. Question is, how bad are the impacts of the changes going to be?
Cummins built after 10/1/19 are not impacted by the recall. Cummins failed to disclose the software scheme utilized on these years but they fully meet EPA regulations. The fine is for failure to disclose.
Bingo
The 2500 has coil rear springs as the 3500 has conventional leaf springs hence the higher payload capacity. However the coil sprung suspension rides better.
Either ram engine combo sucks.. The trans tuning from factory is terrible and it makes it feel super sluggish.. If you get the 4.10gears its not as bad, but the aisin trans literally feel like a CVT.. If you drive one of these back to back against a Ford or Chevy you would never buy a Ram.. Peak tq is 1350 but the aisin will not let it lug down there.. It will downshift before peak, lugging is what an I6 diesel is supposed to do yet it blows thru the convertor like crazy..
Beast 👍🇺🇸💪🏻☝️
I take a long stroke every morning....
my guy!
Im hoping you test the HO Superduty soon
Hard trucks to come by. But yes I would LOVE to get my hands on one.
Hi Alex.
I think RAM 3500 Cummins engine is favorite between diesel options.
Despite by the dieselgate scandal Cummins engine is still very reliable.
It is my humble opinion.
I like the vintage design! 😮
Thank's to share and appreciate your research and test.😊
I think there are some great diesel options but the Cummins is certainly a solid powerplant!
the high output powerstroke would blow the doors off the Ram.
Not even going to argue. yes sir it would!
@@TheGettyAdventures I guess if it's a drag race that matters.... Also, I think the jury is still out on that 10-speed which was created solely for emissions purposes.
I don't like the Ford are dodge junk
If you want to drag race get a Tesla. If you want to pull 18K lb. every day, get a Cummins.
Great Truck :)
she's good looking rig.
Great Powertrain! I have an older ('14) Ram 3500 HO / Aisin and love the performance. I would like to compare a new one with the higher HP and torque numbers along with the better gearing (3.42 vs 3.73) but with the prices of new trucks, I will not tempt feeling the need to upgrade! Not to mention, with only 50,000 miles on my '14, it is just getting broken in! I am curious what the new EPA mandated reprogramming might do to my trucks performance. Maybe you can take on this topic and give us your thoughts.
Yes the ford & gm is faster but when towing it's about slowing down when you towing heavy and that's were the exhaust brake on the cummins shines. There's no comparison in which is an all around better tow rig
Hi, I'm a diesel mechanic from Ontario. To explain the cruise control, I believe Cummins call it "Cruise Control Upper/Lower Droop" you can play with these settings with Insite for large trucks (I don't work much with pickup trucks).
Lower Droop: allows the vehicle to speed up above the cruise control speed during downhill operation. This is done to gain momentum and take advantage of gravity to lower fuel economy after leveling out from the downhill drive.
Upper Droop: allows the vehicle's speed to drop below the cruise control set speed as load increases such as climbing a hill. The reason for this is also fuel economy, the engine won't boost up and use a lot of fuel on hill climbs. This is why your speed never reaches 110kph climbing up even though the truck is well capable of doing so!
You don't tow with the cruise control, terrible review? idiotic tests..and your whining about 1km/hr?
Lifting a 1500 is Idiotic, but what do I know..
I feel like I’m in the minority of SO fans.
I think the SO is great for the weekend warrior, it makes great power and better fuel economy.
very true, and notable fuel economy difference, but for me the added payload and Aisin 6 speed is worth the upgrade.
@@TheGettyAdventurespayload on my 3500 SO is 4200 lbs, not an issue.
Aisin no doubt is a stronger, commercial type transmission. The 68rfe is fine if the truck and engine remain in the stock configuration. The 68rfe can be tuned where the Aisin can not be tuned.
Just depends what the consumer wants.
Just because I disagree slightly doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy the video. 👍
The Aisin will reduce payload compared to a SO 3500. Heavier transmission, same GVWR.
Wait a minute, I thought 3.5 eco boost was the best at pulling stuff lol😜
u should test the HO powerstroke vs SO powerstroke. very curious wat the differences in performance would be. love the vids!!!
Hell yeah I got a 2012 ram 3500 megacab with extended fuel tank 50 gallons and that exhaust brake just makes a world of a difference
I’ve been waiting for this one. Thank you. Good job as always.
Love the Cummins,
Just don’t like the emissions
Sadly, its now the worst criminally offending engine. Y'all need to stop your evil ways and buy EVs and tow your daughter's dollhouse.
thankfully EV trucks are a reasonably priced alternative.. jk
Alex, Happy New Year ! The HO is a winner. The question is to Dulley or not? I don't see that many around, are they still popular? It was 13f low last night in NC. That was cold for us.
With the pricing being as close as it is, the HO 3500 is clear cut winner for anyone seriously needing a HD Ram truck. 13F in NC is cold wow, did you guys get any snow?
Is this engine in trouble with EPA?
Question is: 1. How does it compare with the King of the hill Ford HO Power stroke and 2. No mention of Cummins emissions cheating scandal and massive sanctions.
Made a video all about that last week sir! but also 2019+ aren't getting recalled and fully passed emissions. those trucks were fined for failure to disclose software to EPA. but were and are fully compliant.
What a beautiful machine
God that thing sounds good
incredible rumble for a stock set up!
I would love to have one.
Honestly drives incredibly unloaded as well. could be a solid daily driver.
My 2021 Tundra is a lot more reliable than this fiat POS.
You've been brainwashed. Nothing against the Tundra as we use one for a delivery vehicle but it's a toy compared to the work this Ram can do. The Ram is the tool you pull out when you actually need to get work done.
I had a '23 limited mega cab ho asin....... Ford and GM destroy with them 10 speed trans and hp.
10 speed certainly makes a difference no doubt about it. Would love to see ram go to at least an 8 speed going forward.