These Three 2024 Ram Cummins Diesels Look AND Cost the SAME, But Which One Is the BEST?
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0:00 Intro
1:17 Ram HD 2500
6:27 Test Drive1
12:35 Turning Circle1
13:05 Ram HD 3500
17:44 Test Drive2
23:28 Turning Circle2
24:24 Ram HD 4500
30:39 Test Drive3
36:07 Turning Circle3
37:00 Verdict
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It was so funny listening to them talk to each other in the 4500 once it got up to speed. The vibrato in their voices was hilarious.🤣
Let me see you put 9K in the bed of a Toyota and do the same, My 5500 is a kidney buster until it's loaded then it rides fine..
Let me guess… The main difference is in the axels and spring
I don’t know why they even do ram videos anymore they are totally irrelevant only fords and gmc/ Chevy trucks are in the mix
axel rose isn’t in this video
@@JoshuaOverman- Why? How are they not relevant? The motor alone can eliminate GM & Ford for about 30% of the HD buyers out there alone,,,,.
I drive Ford on anything newer than 1998, GM prior, but my favourite, & most expensive by far, classic car is a Mopar, and I don’t have a Hemi yet. I know it’s historical, but that’s how they are relevant to me. Thing is, I would absolutely consider Ram as a HD truck! Especially with the factory rear airbag suspension,,,,. GM don’t offer a 4500 series pickup, only cab & chassis. Only Ford offers a pickup.
To each their own,,,, granted.
Because they call it new but it's a 13 year old body style with just a very small amount of changes and that's why there not selling they want big money for a old truck
@@JoshuaOvermanive always owned fords but Rams are always the work trucks ive used at work. 3 different companies all used them because they were cheapest at the time
Something important you missed. 4500 & 5500 use 4.44 standard or more commonly 4.89 rear axle ratios. You’re in 6th gear by the time you hit 35mph with the 4.89. The 3500 diesels use 3.73 and won’t shift into 6th until 55mph.
You can also get the 3500 and the 4500 with 4.10 gear. I have a 2022 4500 60 inch cab to axle flatbed with the 4.10 and it is perfect for pulling. It turns 1850rpm at 67mph.
@@joshchambers9103 4.10 is the sweet spot for highway hauling with a trailer with a typical 5 or 6 speed light truck transmission.
@@BrandonLeech Yes, I have 2023 3500 Limited DRW 4.10. It drives like a machine and it provides comfort. I love it.
4500 review section sounded so emotional 😂
I like the old mirrors too. Heck, I like when the interior of the 2500s looked like the interior of this 3500. Bench-like front seat with a huge center armrest, dash off the floor, more truck, less car.
You like towing that ghost trailer?
You can still get 2500s that look like this 3500, its not gone
The bench seats had to go away because there was no way the manufacturers could put a person in the center and protect them with airbags
I miss my old bench seats to o
This is actually all old news. A ford guy will not like them and a ram guy will not like ford. Every vehicle on the road will have a break down of some sort at some time. It’s a roll of the dice
I drive a ram also own Chevy and ford. Ram is pure trash vs the other 2 manufacturers.
@@Bdigital9482 why, what makes it trash.
@@nathanurick8320Dodge always been trash, when have Dodge ever made anything better than a Ford or Chevy?? Cummins take their engine from Dodge and the whole company will sink in 2 years
Not the Hilux
@@BruceDragon-sf1trReally? My grandpa had a 2016 2500 Cummins for five years before he traded it in for a 2021 Chevy Duramax 2500. Not even 3 years in he traded the Chevy in for a new 2024 Ram 2500 Cummins Bighorn. I’ve had my 2020 Ram 1500 5.7 Hemi for four years and the only time I have to go to the auto shop is for tire rotation and oil changes. Also stop calling it “Dodge”, Ram became its own independent company in 2009.
It’s nice to see the 2500 still has a GVWR under 10k. In my jurisdiction that’s the breakout for requiring commercial inspections even on personal vehicles. A lot of people were pretty unhappy when Ford first rolled over that line by less than 50lbs. Not enough capacity to mean much more than extra time and expense. Rolling past scales isn’t so much of a concern for me because I live in the middle of nowhere, but there are also places that require you to pull into the scale at that weight.
Yeah. Also for some states the lower “truck” speed limit was anything 10k+, though rarely enforced on pickups.
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One reason for the 10k gvwr is a little related to taxes. If a vehicle is over 10k it doesn't qualify for some exemptions or something like that.
I'm sure Ram talks to their fleet customers and they say please do not change the GVWR
Another reason is any commercial vehicle over 10k gvwr needs a medical card so depending on what the vehicle is used for, the other trucks wouldn't work.
That screen is a joke in 2024 tho
Ram COULD offer a variety of GVWRs, though, in the 2500 category just like gm & ford does. And a 10k rating for the ones that need it.
Exactly. Fleet sales. If there is no real demand for those other weight ratings, why waste the money to certify all those variants?
Most people towing a 5th wheel with the 2500 are unknowingly exceeding the GVWR. They look at the tow rating and everything looks fine, but once you hit the scale front axle + rear axle exceed 10,000 lbs. The 6.7L Cummins is a very heavy engine
@@NIAtoolkitI see so many of these 2500s in general pulling massive 5th wheels all squatted. Seriously, spend a little extra and get a dually. I guess the 2500’s double as a daily driver for a lot of these people and they’re concerned about the extra width of the truck.
The need for a medical card must be state dependant. In california anyone can drive any two axle vehicle up to 26,000 gvw without a medical or commercial license. But you cant tow a trailer over 10k gvw without a class a license. (Some exceptions)
The 2500 is the queen of pavement princess, Midlife minivans. It is bought primarily by well off middle-aged men who have kids and need a minivan. However because they're middle-aged; they desperately don't want a minivan. As a result they convince themselves that this truck with it's "Indestructible" Cummins engine is better and more practical. They say they can carry a load of stuff (It can't they bought the short bed), and that they can tow whatever they could need (it doesn't matter he might tow one thing and that will be just to show that his "truck" can tow), and how much fun it will be to go off-roading with it (He will never take his baby on mud ever, or take it on anything that your ordinary FWD sedan wouldn't be able to handle).
Not sure why you care what people want to drive.
@@jackgtx440 because people "Driving what they want" has resulted in: The honest workhorses of yesteryear being turned into a bunch of bloated luxury sedans. All to appease the vain and shallow, ultimately phasing the original truck market (the REAL truck market) out of existence. I have every right to be upset when something honest and good is replaced by something ugly and invalid for selfish and shallow reasons.
Damn man... you nailed it!
Bro stfu some people just like driving trucks because they like them and no other reason it’s not that serious. Buy an old beat up cheap truck for work if that’s what you need it for and stop bitching about what other men decide to do with their money. The entire car industry is making interiors nice because that’s what is demanded.
Bro stop yapping, buy an old beat up truck for work if that’s what you need it for. Stop bitching about what other men decide to do with their money. Some people drive trucks because they like them and no other reason same goes for all classes of vehicles it’s really not that deep. Every car brand is making nicer interiors cause that’s what the market demands. Don’t like it than don’t buy it plenty of used cheap and capable trucks on the market.
Ram does it correctly. 2500's are not 3500's, so why chase the > 10k ratings? If you need that much then buy a 3500. I like that the 2500 is still in their own class, but the price should come down. I'd actually say the 2500 class should have even less powerful diesels but focused more on reliability (less issues with emissions) and on MPG. Why not a smaller diesel with 650 to 700 lb/ft of torque to bridge the difference between a 1500 and a 3500. Perfect for towing RVs or cargo trailers or utility trailers for landscapers etc.
Just ask Nissan why the Titan XD didn't make it. It will not sell. It's in a very small niche. A niche that can be filled by most modern 1500s.
Just sold my 22 2500 Cummins, biggest differences are. The ride in a 2500 is second to none. Coils for the win. Also 68rfe is more road friendly, shifts quicker and smoother then the Aisin,
Now have a 24 3500 limited night edition with airbags. The extra power from the HO is very noticeable empty or loaded with a trailer, also the Aisin is a straight up pulling tranny, I don’t mind how it shifts, it does like to lug in low rpm, smartens up with tow haul, also note the HO and Aisins exhaust brake works at a slower speed, 3500s run like lumber wagons when empty. As expected it’s for payload and towing. Get any weight in it and she’s like a Cadillac. Also these are my work trucks. Work in Canada in the mountains in oil and gas. Hot summers, cold AF winters. And best part Cummins doesn’t require the cab off to do simple maintenance or service. Ford and Chevy do, so your $47 dollar part turns into a $2700 bill real quick.
Ram HD is getting old, but I recently cross shopped a GMC AT4X 2500 vs the Ram 2500 Megacab Limited. I was able to get the Ram cheap enough to cover a Carli Eventure suspension system, supplemental air bags to have the smoothest HD ride possible, or can be loaded up for towing. And Ram offers active lake keep which somehow the GMC still doesn't have. Ford Tremor is a great truck as well but the local dealer is awful for service and they're asking the most money.
So…..Ram for the win.
Great video guys. Love the back to back test drives, and side by side comparisons.
I really like that you included a turning radius test as well, I think some sort of turning radius test should be done in all the truck videos. Great job guys!
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I would love to see you guys do a long term review with a 4500/5500 series. Ram truck possibly a camper truck with a built in camper
We are working on something like this.
5500 would be nice since it's the one that was left out
Watch out for the Arctic fox 990. It is way too heavy for our 2014 3500 limited mega cab Dooley. we would need a 5500 to haul this camper. Also walked on the roof yesterday to clear out a tree that was overhanging it. Sadly enough moisture has gotten below the vinyl roof and started to wreck the structure underneath mold at the front corners on passenger side, and the interior of the closet is starting to get soft, very disappointing considering I paid 22,000 for this $30,000 camper. It is turning into trash before my eyes need to build a structure over it to keep the water off it and just park it somewhere. in comparison our 1990 Chinook motorhome is all fiberglass exterior shell. The only leak in this unit has been around the air conditioner, which was easily fixed.
You mean like their Wrangler 1 year review, where they didn't even put enough miles for an oil change? If so , these clowns got you covered!
My wife and I bought a 3500 in 2019, standard output cummins, lots of tech goodies at the time. 69k and change. To replace that truck today, similarly equipped, would be almost 85k. It's crazy how much more expensive everything is. Especially since almost nothing has changed in 5 years.
I'm not sure why ram still holds the 2500 line at 10k GVWR. I had a newer 2500 Silverado in the shop about a month ago with 11,300lbs GVWR. My 3500 ram is 11,800lbs.
Ugh, Daylight savings time, when will this madness end? Oh, and thanks for the great video.
Right stop turning the clocks back and keep daylight savings time all year
@@TheRamGuy damn right.
@@TheRamGuy I think that’s what is happening, this was the last daylight saving time change.
Arizona doesn’t have daylight savings time.
@@Captain-AwesomeI think maybe it was the last spring forward change. Pretty sure we will still fall back to standard time once more this fall.
My company gave me a 24 ram 2500 bighorn. Its well equipped and does everything I need it. We haul scaffolding with a 25 ft gooseneck
Masonry?
I have a 2011 ram 4500 regular cab 4x4 manual transmission 120” CA with a very heavy duty flatbed dump. I haul 6 tons of material on it daily and it has done incredible. Almost 500,000 miles on it now. Rebuild the top end once and replaced the trans once and been through a few clutches of course.
Buying a new 5500 soon.
Too bad you are gonna loose the manual
You're trucking can carry 43,000 pounds.
I think with Andre in this one I would go with the 4500 because for me I like super sized payload on it because a lot of the style truck campers that I like would be really close to 3,500 even if it was a duallys payload for this one gives you just a little bit more so you're not near the max
I like the white one, in the sales lot. ;O)
Haha!!
Yes, any color you want, as long as it's white.
🤣🤣🤣
Yes please Ike cab chassis trucks! I’d be very interested to see towing mpg and Ike tests on the CC trucks.. also would love to see some comparisons vs standard pickup dually.. I’m a hotshot trucker myself, currently running just a DRW 3500, would definitely like to see how CCs stack up.
12-15 mpg towing in my 3500 CC with 4.10 gears. Truck camper, jeep on 24' flatbed trailer with other misc crap. Probably around 25k lbs gross with pretty good drag from the camper. That was WA, OR,UT, CO. Getting over 70/2k rpms starts cutting into mpg. Dual tanks is the only way to go, 74 gallons.
I have a 21 3500 HO Tradesman. It was ROUGH riding in NE PA horrible roads. I put a Thuren suspension (stock ride height) under it with their FOX shocks and sulastic shackles, 17" wheels and 35" tires. It was a massive increase. I drive it regularly from PA to CO. I think it's perfect for me. I have a slide in truck camper for it.
I ordered the truck in 2021 and it was $56,500. I think those prices are long gone. I have the 8" dash screen, floor shift, vinyl floors, plow prep, bed liner, goose neck prep, skid plates and that's it. Ohh and the granite crystal metallic paint that's a $200 option.
The Aisin shifts wonky until it's completely warmed up. The exhaust brake is crazy aggressive, but a must have for towing.
My 2019 SLT 2500 Ram Crew Cab diesel with 3.42 rear end listed for $62,000 as a two wheel drive with an 8 foot bed. You learn to back in to parking places. It get 17.5 to 18.5 mpg around town, From El Paso to up state New York with 2000 lb load driving 80 mph averaged 22 to 23 mpg over the 5,000 miles. I got $10,000 off the list price and $13,000 trade on my 2001 1/2 Ram 2500 5.9 Quad cab diesel. So I only paid $ 39,000. If I do pull a trailer it an airstream that weighs 9,000 lbs so that gives me another 9,,000 lbs to pull if I want. I love the ride and quietness of the new 6.7 vs my former 5.9.. I don't need all the extra horsepower or torque. I am not a teenager any more. I live in the hot southwest so no leather seats for me. Mine is White with grey cloth interior.
Great comparison & information. 👏
I live in Brighton and so cool you guys film around here! Been watching for years
Not sure if anyone knows. The regular trucks like 2500 and 3500 trucks have a 58” cab to axle(rear of cab to center of rear axle). The chassis cabs come with a 60” cab to axle. Flatbeds, utility boxes setup for 60 cta are usually 9ft or longer.
Juar bought a 2500 cummins day before yesterday. Sure wish I could have the payload of the 3500 and the HO engine, but I really enjoy the ride of the 2500 coils, the 2500 fits in my garage (We live in hail country) and I don't want to be beat all around while driving down the road talking on the phone. My old 1 ton literally hurt my guts while driving LOL!!!! So there are good points to all. My boat is about 5000-6000 lbs but pulls like 12,000 lbs in the wind, so I really needed the torque and until I want to haul heavier, the 2500 works well for me. I do miss the power of my old Powerstroke, which would be similar to the Ram HO 6.7. But I guess sacrifices in one way or the other are inevitable. Thanks for the great video yall!
I had a shifter to 4-wheel drive on my 2 door Blazer and loved it. My wife traded it for a larger 4 door 4-wheel drive. Lost it with an engine blowout.
Love the mechanical transfer case selector.
andrey at 21;10 you said [[[ CHATTER happaning ]]]] you meant like valve noise ? coz i got 2023 new 3500 HO/aisin mine does making a clapping noise when you press on the gas pedal ,trying find out if they all do that tnx. in advance
Great video!! Would have loved to hear differentiation between 3500 pickup vs 3500 chassis as there are many differences (frame and rear to name a few)…other than that it was a great educational video.
Stellantis provides and publishes specs for the 4500’s payload. It’s what all upfitters have to use to ensure they don’t exceed the GVWR.
Thank you gentlemen! I am looking to replace my old 2009 Dodge Ram 2500 with another Ram. You have helped me make up my mind on which model now. The 3500 it is then! Thanks
We had a 2012-2013 ish Ram 5500 at my old job that we used to pull huge gooseneck trailers with. Holy. Crap! That thing…yeah. It was SCREAMING at 55mph (2500rpm so it sucked down that diesel) and it would beat ya to death, loaded or not, so I can sympathize with you both. It was not fun to ride in or drive, but it got the job done.
Probably had the 4.88 rear gears. Too short for highway cruising.
I have a 3500 C&C ram. It is quite the ride with a flatbed. Loaded with anything over 800lbs and it is smooth as silk on the highway.
You can put Sulastic shackles on it for about $1100 and get a ride similar to the 2500 when empty without compromising the load capability. You have to specify for the cab & chassis model the much cheaper shackles for a regular 3500 won't work. Also you have to relocate the fuel filler neck which is why the $1100 price tag comes into play.
I have the HO 6.7 with Aisin transmission which is a dog compared to the 68re however the aisin is built to hold the power and last where as the 68re is just counting down to its next full rebuild.
Why does the two on the outsides are wider or is it because the camera is at centre, great video guy's keep it coming ✌️
wide angle lens will do that... the truck on right is the widest, it has the marker lights amd the wheels stick out more
CENTER*
when i was looking at buying a new diesel a few years ago during covid. the couple dodge dealers i went to had a 10,000-15,000 dollar markup on brand new trucks just because they had the ASIN transmission
They should be paying you to take that crap transmission.
I am boycotting Ram HD until they come out with a good trans. I hate that thing.
I am curious if the coil springs in the 2500 the same diameter as the 1500?
Please do a class 4 truck comparison! Very interested in starting a hot shot business and it would be very beneficial to see how ford, ram and chevy compare
All cab and chassis style trucks get industry standard frame rails (no axle humps). which gives them the ability to install many different types of universal beds. as they all follow the 34" between frame rail spacing. C&C is an option on 3500 and is standard 4500 and up. Also, sometimes insurance companies wont let you have standard insurance on something bigger than a 1 ton truck. They know 4500 up is a commercial grade truck and would try to give you commercial insurance.
I think when reviewing the pedal’s power and feel you left out the gear ratio difference on The trucks and that effects the acceleration more then the tire or rating differences between the trucks the 4.30 ratio of the 4500 compared to the 3.73 of the 2500
The 4500 isn't as big a seller as the bigger 5500... its the same frame, brakes, etc... just heavier suspension for higher payload. The 5500 is very common for building into Wreckers or Rollback tow trucks that will have heavy equipment mounted, yet still have tremendous carrying & towing capacity. The wide front axle is not just for tighter turning..its for stability... when heavy commercial trucks are built...theyre often top heavy when loaded...the wider front track makes the entire chassis much more stable which equals safer. There's not much difference between 4500 & 5500 besides suspension... but the 5500 gives better towing as well... just over 35,000lbs max towing & 12,500lbs of cargo.... combine great turning with high cargo & towing.... theres a reason you see them built into HD daily workhorses. That 4500 shown, was a bare bones work truck, but you can get them full luxury/gadgets trim too for those that spend alotta time in a vehicle. The solid front axle is also because its stronger than IFS... and durability, especially when heavy is more important than smooth. Same reason HD trucks are 4x4, not AWD... its about strength & durability... these have all of it. Ram also still includes regular 12volt power outlets... not just USB ports... USB cannot supply much power. 12v outlets & upfitter switches are still VERY much in demand for work trucks... Ram kept theirs, unlike GM.
Great video full of info do all the brands to show thier line ups
Long beds can get a 50 gal tank. 3500 C&C would have been a more interesting comparison to the 2500/3500 pickup, instead of a 4500.
Are the brakes the same size on 2500/3500?
I'd go with the one with the black grill and wheels
Great video. Only thing I will say is a Power Wagon is not a comparison, the Rebel line would be a comparison when mentioning the Tremor. My $.02
Plus the Powerwagon pkg includes even lighter, more flexibility coil springs than a base truck. Not good for payload.
They basically allow you to turn the rebel into a power wagon.
when i worked for ram, i had to deliver a 5500 cabin chassis 200miles to another dealer. while in cruise control at 85mph, i would see the rear tires in the rear view mirror bouncing off the ground literally. was quite the experience lol
Just one more comment on DOGS the full back seat black covers with quick snaps ties is a must. My baby Australian Shepard loves the back slider window and he can NOT jump through it. My Dog is lached to a short leash that hooks into seat belt connects 😊 the back seat cover is a must if you haul pets. Little pockets to store the outside leashs in. 😊😊😊
I would take the 5500. We just went through this where a friend bought one and we compared the 3500, 4500 and 5500. The 2500 and 3500 are made and marketed for the weekend user, we called it. Like you said, towing a camper/boat etc. The 4500 was 1/2 and 1/2. Weekend warrior/commercial user. The 5500 is built to work hard, and last a long time. The engine is designed and tuned like a "tractor", as is the running gear and frame. With no bed you can really see how the frame is double braced, thicker steel in places, bigger nuts and bolts. Of course the Aisin HD transmission also. For about $1000-$2000 more, the 5500 is my choice. As a note also, this is especially for towing big 5th wheel campers that 3500's are really not enough truck to tow. We see it being done 75% of the time, but the 5500 is more capable, safer and will last much longer doing it! JMHO --gary
3500 is rated to tow almost 40,000 ppunds. Plenty people brag about overloading 3500s with 60k-80k pounds with no problems. How much are you actually towing that you need a 5500?
How on earth did you come to such a conclusion on the 4500 verses the 5500???
They use the same engine and transmissions. Must have been smoking some of that wacky tabacy during that conversation! 😂
The 4500 review was my favourite. You guys had me in stitches during the drive 😂
I pee'd blood for a week after driving my 5500 100 miles back to my shop 🤣🤣 Then I put a 2,000 lb bed on it. That helps but it is even smoother after putting another 7K on the pin.
What you didn’t have to test is the 3500 dually. Which I have . 5400 lb payload , 36k towing . What’s interesting is I have the 8.4” screen on a tradesman. 70k otd 2023 4x4 HO
What were the sizes of the fuel tanks?
I think it's a shame you cant get the wider axle in the 3500
These are the luxury & status cars of our time. My trucks are closer to 40 years old, cost me less than 1/20 of what these cost. Mine are sometimes loaded by forklift or the bucket loader on my 65 year old tractor, and I can maintain them at home. But these are shiny.🙄
At the dealership I used to work at, we had a 2009 f-250 that had 8-10 leaf springs and had a plow on the front, so the back end was very very stiff!
As a former hotshot owner operator with a 2020 Ram 3500. I'd absolutely go with a 5500... And I'd do a super single conversation.
Id take the 3500 because that's what I have. Short bed SRW with the airbag rear suspension and the HO Cummins. It actually looks like the 2500 you guys own. Silver and night edition.
im assuming the tires pressure is different from truck to truck affecting the ride. I would also take the 4500 i like the stance of the wider axle
My 188" QC 5500 turns as sharp as my LWB QC 1ton. You have to watch the torque in 4wd or it will bind things up on the 5500..
Interesting comparison
No doubt the new Bighorn options are MUCH better than the last generation! We went from a Laramie to a Bighorn last month and we really don't miss much. The leather is gone, but living in Minnesota, that's actually a plus in the winter. Leather takes forever to heat up on those -22 degree days.
Not with the heated seats and remote start!
In 2024 all vehicles should have heated seats and steering wheel. If I can buy a 12v heated blanket for $20 then why isn’t that simple and cheap technology in the seat of these expensive vehicles.
What happened to the Carly suspension
I assume these trucks are all “fixed” from the Cummins diesel gate 2.0. The hp and torque didn’t change. So what was the change? Dirtier to drive?
Can I get factory air bags on the 5500?
we have a 22 ford 450 superduty pickup and a 18 ram 5500 single cab with a steel dump body, and it does buck a little unloaded but when they are loaded they ride beautifully. the ford not as nice because its all aluminum. The ford is a limited so its still nice. don't dig the nob for 4wd in the ford. I personally love the Manly lever in the ram. they both turn really well.
My 2011 F250 6.7 has 400 hp and 800 Ft-lb torque. So right there with the standard 6.7 Cummins. Love the 6.7 Ford but I think the Cummins is a great engine.
I worked for some people who had a 2019 3500 dually standard output tradesman and the seats were extremely uncomfortable and stiff compared to the 2020 Chevy and 2013 Chevy 3500 dually so that’s my biggest complaint. And I spent almost 15,000 miles total in trips or more in that ram and it was so long and uncomfortable
I just tried to build a 2024 Ram 2500 Tradesman and the Power Wagon option was not available. Can you advise?
Try it again but do it as a 2500 rebel. They include the power wagon option with the 2500 rebel, at least thats how it was when i checked last year.
Thanks, will do@@Eastsidegeorgiaboy
About the 3500. Is it also true that the 3500 also optionel with a duel wheels at the back just like the 4500.
Hey guys I really enjoyed that video. I'd like to see you take the 3500, 4500, 5500, on an Ike gauntlet test.
That empty 4500 ride is pain and suffering.
They’re meant to be loaded heavy on the rear, so they aren’t very comfortable at all empty or lightly loaded. If they offered air bag suspension it would be a lot smoother
What i dont understand: The frame and the axles of the 2500 and 3500 are the same right? So why is the payload difference so high?? Just because of a stronger suspension and the bigger transmission?
Love the video can you do the same video with the ford?
Any news on the ZF Powerline 8 speed that is coming in the 2025 models ?
Money being no object, then a fully loaded Ram 5500 from Elevation Off Grid is the answer. That said, I think a 2500 Cummins would be the most truck I'd reasonably get. It's big enough to do most things I'd want to do (ex. Tow a huge enclosed car trailer), but not so big that it can't be used as a daily driver and the activities that go with that.
I think you boys need to get that Ram chassis Class C RV around the 18 minute mark. Have your boss spring for that puppy.
"There's a fire somewhere." "Oh, no that's not the truck."
I personally like the 4500 but I need a service body configuration. That's what that truck is . If you measure from cab to axel that truck would be 60" which calls for a 9' service body If you look at the thickness of the frame its a lot thicker than a conventional pickup frame. The frames on a chassis cab have flat rails compared to a pick up frame.. GM and Ford makes the same configuration on their trucks . The frames rails are identical to accept a service body or that type of figuration.
Why are 8ft truck beds hard to find anywhere??
Because more people buy trucks as a car with a big open trunk instead of using it for work.
To find a truck with an 8 foot bed you almost have to go to a dealership that has a large selection of Fleet trucks, or end up ordering one.
Most people want bitch trucks. I was shopping a GMC 3500 work truck with a long bed. All the dealer had on the lot was Denali and AT4 trucks with little beds 90K and up. Said I’m interested in ordering one and they didn’t even want my business. I wasn’t worth their time because it’s almost pure profit from the work truck pkg up to the loaded packages. Cost the same to make. I’ll keep driving my paid off F-350 until the next economic downturn and they suck my d**k to buy a truck. Should be a lot more accommodating when they’re hurting.
That’s why this 3500 is more basic, because 8’ bed trucks are used more for fleet/farm/industrial use, and the 2500 is used like a car for people these days like the other commenter stated.
@@J.Young808I bought a 23 HO 3500 limited edition with bags. 35" toyos, and a Carli sway bar. Truck rides like a Cadillac
Manual transfer case, ten lug wheels, and bigger brakes for the win. 4500 is it. Thank you for sharing and have a great day.
I HAVE HAD ALL THREE OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS... MAINTENENCE COST ON A 4500 IS PAINFULLY MORE EXPENSIVE... TRUST ME..
😂Ram 4500 review was the best. I think the audio during this time was very choppy when talking. lol
What the gear ratios for the ratio will make some difference within the truck performance
I have a 2023 Power Wagon,, have you heard anything about a new HD Power Wagon?
Did anyone else notice that the center stop lamp on the 4500 wasn't working?
The 4500 will vary in weight based on cab to axle distance. Also when you start looking at the axles, brakes including the wide track front axle, it's a large increase in sizing.
People don't purchase 4500 and 5500 series trucks just to have a pickup truck bed on them. They are purpose purchased. Having said that, I don't object to the firmer ride of the larger trucks. The coil spring waddling 1500 isn't firm enough for me.
Last thing. When you open the hood on the RAM with the Cummins, you can actually see the engine. The same can't be said about the GM or Ford truck with their V8 engine designs. I stand a chance on working on the Cummins, not a chance on the GM or Ford. The thought of having to pull the cab for major engine service makes both trucks a hard No Chance.
Red coil overs are the worst thing to get if you plan on hauling heavy weight. You need to spend money to get the air suspension upgrade it makes huge difference in ride quality empty and fully loaded
Prices are crazy. My dad has a 2500 (Cummins engine of course) with an extended bed from 2013 that probably cost half what these 2024 models are going for when he bought it new, and it does everything that a truck needed for hauling/towing needs to do. It has all the creature comforts you could ever want (heated seats/heated steering wheel/seat coolers, leather seats etc). It has all the stuff you would ever want for towing (trailer brake switch, exhaust braking, etc). What do these new trucks offer that would warrant spending DOUBLE the cost for when the previous model cost half that and did everything a truck needs to do (and the model featured in this video had less features in certain contexts)?
As a 5500 owner before seeing the test drive, I can predict it will drive like an unsprung skateboard. I got the second tank, long frame (84CA), and aluminum bed. Still rides like a skateboard not towing.
Actual Chrome on the fron grill area of the 2500 or Chrome Tape?
Chrome on plastic, or it was on the earlier ones..
You guys need to take a look at Edison and their new diesel electric hybrid conversions they are working on. It's gonna be a game changer IMO.
We reached out to Edison. They are not responding.
How much transmissions this truck gets?
$78,000 USD for a fairly bare bones Dodge heavy duty is 🦇💩 crazy.
Yes, and did you see the hundreds of unsold trucks on that dealers lot? That price increase they referred to on the 2500 ($12,000 in one year) is why that lot is overflowing.
My choice is easy, the 4500 cab-chassis is best overall. I'd put a pickup truck body, if possible, if not, I'd put a Stahl or Reading aluminum utility body on it with a sliding cover, without drilling any holes in the ladder frame "C" section web. The 4500 series had a frame which is much deeper just as it goes under the cab this is where the maximum resisting bending moment (RBM) would occur, I'm thinking. The web thickness of the frame is also thicker on the 4500 than on the 2500 or 3500 pick-ups, assuming equal yield strength on all. Frame section modulus is also the greatest on the 4500 series ladder frame as it has a thicker web thickness and deeper frame height, than the 2500 and 3500 series. The GVWR on the 4500 is much greater than the 2500 and the 3500 as well, with heavier springs and axles, front and rear. The Cummins 6.7 liter is a good engine, I don't know if there is a rebuild kit or reclaim kit for that engine, but the price on the diesel option is very, very high, as opposed to a Hemi V8 gasoline engine, or whatever V8 gasoline engine is standard. The ZF transmissions are good transmissions; I'd put an automatic in it, for sheer driving ease.
Of course renegade Nathan likes the old mirrors
The 4500 and 5500 are a heavy duty work truck that mechanics like to use especially if you have to go over scales the down side is the gear ratio is useless because the truck has enough power for a 3.55 gear or taller giving you better fuel economy and longer engine life.
4:88's on my 5500, the lower ratio is great for VGT / brake usage
Which is better for towing/payload? Smaller wheel and larger sidewall, or larger wheel and smaller sidewall?
Look at semi truck wheels and tires
The 4500 / 5500 uses a 19.5 rim for disc brake clearance. G rated tires on either will do the trick.
I'm not sure about the ability to add a pick-up bed like the F450. Is the CA 60 inches? I think an 8 foot bed might be too short.
For towing a trailer, especially a fifth wheel, please get dual wheeled truck. take it from a Towman of many years (I've cleaned up a lot of wrecked campers) get a dual wheel truck...
Please put that 4500 versus the Ford and GM if they do release an upgraded medium duty truck in Kentucky in a few weeks hopefully on that eye test and let us know how they perform that would be awesome
These trucks would ALL fail the EYE test. They are completely blind. Not enough cameras and radar sensors. Only the Tesla has sufficient eye sight because they rely on cameras only. Which carries its own problems. 😃