I'll wait till these kinds of tablets goes like 500-600... I only got my interest because I heard snapdragon X supposedly provides a longer battery life and decent performance at low voltage...
honestly with the tablet battery and decent gaming for people like me who only play valo fortnite this is enough for performance mode but yeah its overpriced should be max 750 but pretty decent for what it can do with the power cap
@@nodudelikemeThis is as powerful if not more than M2 Macbook Air which costs over $1000+ with just 8gb of ram while this have 16gb and double the storage
I had the base Surface Pro 11 model (started with the initial Surface models up to generation 3, before switching to Macs/iPads, so I went for the Pro), but exchanged it for a Surface Laptop 7 15" because I like the Laptop form-factor better. While my MacBook Air M2 is my main Laptop, the Surface Laptop 7 now gets used quite a lot. Windows Hello, the occasional touch and the 3:2 screen are great (but very reflective). Also I like the speakers, the HDR-display for videos and its SDR-gamut (I don't need the 120Hz). What really annoys me is Adobe's (and other ISV's) lack of software support - no Lightroom classic (not even emulated), so useless for my photography (even though Photoshop works). The other photography-ISVs (DxO, Phase One, Luminar,...) also don't support Windows for ARM. Apple Music/TV also does not install via the Microsoft Store, but at least you can install it via Windows' "winget" and run it emulated (works great). To all the Linux-fans - WSL2/Ubuntu runs for me like a charm - it's sometimes faster than Windows native (e.g. when running ollama, llama.cpp) and surely much better supported for ARM. If you are not "religious" about Microsoft, this is a great linux machine through WSL2. And other than Macs, it also does nested hypervisors,... The only currently missing thing is GPU-passthrough from Linux (via e.g. libvirt or similar) to the host GPU-driver - currently Vulkan in WSL2/Ubuntu gets CPU-emulated and is sloooow. Also the NPU support via QNN is very early, not used by mainstream software. WebGL is supported nicely - you can e.g. run local AI applications on the GPU in Chrome.
FYI that the ARM CPU in these things makes finding drivers for various things that youd expect to work, into a nightmare. Anything that says it works with x86/x64 doesnt matter, everything you find to install has to be for ARM. A real PITA for our org. Canon print drivers never work, even our VPN software wouldnt install. Its a fast PC with great battery and a PITA to do a lot of things that we take for granted with Windows these days.
That's why I always thought this Windows on ARM shouldn't be called Windows. That way, they can separate the products and the app ecosystem between both x86 and ARM versions for the consumers to understand. Same shit happened with WinRT.
It's always useful to remember that the early adopter tax isn't just the higher hardware cost. It's all the other bugs and inconveniences that haven't yet been worked out yet.
True but in a way it feels like deja vu. It was the same way when the world started transitioning from 32-bit to 64-bit architecture and you have to hunt down binaries specifically compiled for your platform. Of course it's not exactly the same since x64 backward compatibility was far better but in the end, it's still the price you have to pay when you're one of the first early adopters of any new technology
Not really, constant crashing of program still happen even the apps previously have x86 compatible programs. Really wish this could be solve in not long future, I bet it's more of the window problem than the apps problem.
@@benjaminmiddaugh2729 > that the early adopter tax My brother in Christ, microsoft trying to push full version of windows to arm since January 2011...
Honestly, it's been years since I used a Surface laptop. Didn't really expect them to be able to play some triple A games at all, thought it was streaming at first when scrolling through.
@@bandito241 true but its a feat to have Cyberpunk 2077 running ON an arm chip ON a surface WITH 1080p AT an average of 40 fps and with an emulation layer as well
People here saying 500-600 is delusional, even though i agree Surface tax is real. I have SP 8 as my main device. For what we are getting is more expensive than the spec suggests. I think 800-900 would be just price for thia thing.
Have the Sapphire Surface Laptop 7 with the X Plus SoC, About the only game I play on it is Dwarf Fortress, but for an arm powered day-to-day get things done laptop, It's amazing. It's the M1 moment for Windows laptops. Sure there are more powerful X86 machines, but for work, and media consumption, these are great, lightweight and last half of forever.
The fact that you can run cyberpunk 2077 on a tablet is insane! If that game was running in an iPad people would be praising the hell out of it. This is a great achievement for the Surface tablets
I tried cyberpunk 2077 on this same model and it runs horribly when you get driving around and into shooting with more than a few people.. Starts chugging bad fps.. He barely played it.. I tested way more games and do not really recommend this for gaming unless you plan on streaming with game pass or boosteroid or GeForce now
The prop port is not just charging, it allows those fancy smancy expansion things for more ports. Of course, there are those can just use those other (usb) ports too - so take what you want for both charging and expansion.
It would also be perfect if microsoft and arm get together and fix their x86 program compatibility issues. Its 2024 figure it out. We got private companies putting rockets into space but we cant have all programs working on snapdragon arm processors.
My daily driver is a Surface Pro 8 and I still love it for the versatility. When devs get onboard with more native ARM apps and device drivers AND the prices of these come down I might upgrade, but I just hope the early adopters of the SP11 weigh the pros and cons before forking over the exorbitant amount of cash.
Would be nice to see benchmarks particularly against Minisforum V3 with the AMD Ryzen 7 8840U with similar specs; love to see an A:B comparison Additionally, Netflix is not playing nice with Microsoft these days
@@josher14 Oooh, do tell please. Is the battery life challenge under gaming or general use ? Can imagine gaming pushing it hard would be quite challenging for power and battery.
I’m debating picking this up before I go back to school on the 28th of october here. I currently have an iPad pro M2 12.9 inch that I’ve been using, but I don’t want a mac because i don’t like MacOS very much. Plus, I play a few games on steam that wont run on the mac that can on this, nothing crazy intensive but I think this device will suit my needs perfectly.
@@rafidywolf1504 This is as powerful if not more than M2 Macbook Air which costs over $1000+ with just 8gb of ram while this have 16gb. Your expectations are unrealistic
I get Intel had this issues, but going to a company who only has success building chips for mobile devices, while raising the price on the previous gens (all while SSDs continue to get more efficient and cheaper, and RAM continues to do the same) just feels like a massive backwards step.
I wish their stock charger was grounded. My Surface Pro X has an unpleasant vibrating/tingling sensation when I touch it if I use an ungrounded adapter, such as the stock charger. Same thing is true with Apple laptops: they're mighty unpleasant if the charger isn't grounded.
Drivers for business use, photocopiers and printers that's where it's not so good, but I do see some arm options now where you would only have windows 32bit and 64bit before.
I thought the first thing you'd do is to try an eGPU on it since it got USB-C 4.0! Are we not there yet! 🤔 I thought the whole purpose of Microsoft was still pumping Qualcomm with money for the last couple of years without proper sells numbers is to finance them until their chips grow to be compatible with Nvidia and/or AMD!
@@samfisher3336 I'm not sure egpu would work as I doubt there's arm specific drivers from any of the manufacturers. Maybe if you use Linux on it I guess.
@bionicgeekgrrl Yeah, that was the issue from 3 years ago, but I think the market is ready for the next step! If there's a demand, there's a way. It's not like a nonprofit community is trying to make it work! It is MICROSOFT 💰💰
Probably the next surface I like aside from the one with geforce dgpu on it. Totally cool but I think those Ryzen 9 AI chips will flood the market more than this hence better pricing on those plus no translation headaches as they are x86 chips rather than ARM. Windows on ARM is just not here yet to completely take shares from x86, maybe in a couple more generations....
the only thing that makes tablets bad is the over voltage they apply on there gpu and cpu i think if you can undervolt you will gain alot of extra preformance and battery life like 20%.so it would be nice if they unlock the voltage control and let users undervolt .
That will probably improve with future generations. Supposed to have some spare pcie lanes, which may allow external to soc gpu in the future depending upon if snapdragon allows it. This is really the beta stage for the products and especially the os and software, which should improve over time, especially if Microsoft encourages the big players to make the effort.
My 'favorite' part of all the WoA stuff was the many "unbiased" reviewers who either lied straight through their teeth (or didnt bother to be smart enough to double check some things) so they could whine about how the battery and/or power claims were lies. Then Alex Ziskind showed them all to be liars, ignorant and not worth listening too, or worse. I love topics that let you know 10000000% who you should and should not listen to.
@@xBINARYGODxCouldn't agree more! For a cheaper price, some people might be willing to put up with all the problems and incompatibilities, but at the current price, these things just aren't selling... I predict they will be $800 by Christmas! And that might still not be low enough...
This would be perfect if the chip is AMD HX 370 or upcoming Intel lunar lake. ARM is so limiting, I don't care too much about extraordinary battery life
Heavily using it on android. It's not extremely integrated but man o man.. It beats Google search by lightyears. Ever had those searches where you don't know the name to search for, and Google search isn't able to help. Well... You be surprised the way copilot narrows it down and searches on Google for you with accuracy to get it for you. I am now able to ask it stuffs and it replies back with suggestions knowing me as an educated scientist, tech friend.
@@nizaramanchar8735I get where you're coming from; the fit and polish of the iPad tablet UI is undeniable. Unfortunately, I'm never going to be a part of that ecosystem, so it has never been on my radar. On the other hand, the One Plus Pad 2 brings just as much value for significantly less money... If they made this with Chrome OS, I'd be all over it!
I wonder about the standby performance. Does it lose a high amount of battery life when on sleep or hybernate relative to the intel-powered Surface devices?
Why don’t they offer a keyboard that lets you use it like a laptop without the annoying kickstand, could even offer one with a built in extended battery and extra connectivity. Apple managed to get past the floppy keyboard phase for iPads and they’re not even good at being a laptop.
Sad to say, because everything is using it, but a 7840u/8840u would have been a way better option here. For better graphic and overall compatability and performance. And copilot can go to hell.
Couldn't agree more! I don't know why Microsoft has refused to put these chips in their Surface devices, so they could actually come close to matching their outrageous prices to the performance. It really feels like collusion between Microsoft and Intel, especially when you see that Microsoft is finally fixing several year old bugs that have significantly affected the performance of Ryzen processor!
Looks almost perfect except for one thing: Windows Crazy to see Microsoft becoming better at hardware than they are at software in 2024. Ever since Windows 11, the "AI" craze, and now unwanted features like Recall, Microsoft software products have started to become a big concerning. No wonder more people are becoming interested in Linux.
Case in point: ETA Prime: "But seriously, there are a lot real world use-case scenarios where Copilot would come in handy for a lot of people out there," after asking it to create a picture of a hamster knight fighting a dragon in a library. I guess he just couldn't think of any off the top of his head, because he moved on with the video instead of pointing out a single one of these "use-cases."
Maybe in multicore performance, but the 8840u is roughly 15% faster in single core performance (which is what counts most), and it annihilates it in GPU performance!
This chip have so many potential, but windows are just not for it, many emulate programs keeps crashing, only some specialised apps and Microsoft build in app run okay.
There's an ARM build of Ryujinx that works great, also on Lenovo Slim 7x I can run PCSX 2 x64 version at 4x internal resolution 60fps for God of War 1 and 2.
I noticed you rarely ever put the price of the items you review, and to most people that is the main determining factor. Having to look it up is time consuming and a waste of time if they are out of budget or overpriced.
Big ass tablet bu no head phone Jack because of course - they don't have the physical space and want to make it water proof, while adding two wide ass proprietary connectors.
since you do emulation content why don't you make a video on how to install wsa on this? there are instructions on xda if you Google “someone fixed wsa on surface pro 11 "
I bought mine few days ago but I must say I am VERY DISAPPOINTED. The battery is only marginally better than the Intel Surface Pro (I have a Pro 8 as well), which is a dealbreaker for me (I work long hours away from a power socket). Many reviewers praise the new chip being the Apple M series killer, but trust me, unless you are 100% sure the new Snapdragon Surface Pro runs the app you need, or else don't bother. It is not as good as they say.
@@rajaafifi4280 Its unlikely that it will happen anytime soon. I dont see why nvidia/amd would bother coding drivers for such a small market, they got better things to do
I also own a Surface Pro 9 like my main device. And I was disappointed. The biggest problem is that nothing has changed with the arrival of X Elite: 1. The device is large. He needs a lot of space on the table or in hands. 2. The device is heavy. Holding 900 g with one hand and drawing with the other is unrealistic. After 3 minutes I’m looking for somewhere to put it or put it down. 3. The device is hot. If I'm working on my laptop rather than just reading the news, my Surface gets uncomfortably hot. 4. The stylus is simply disgusting. After Apple Pencil 2, Microsoft's stylus looks like a child's toy. 5. Windows itself is terrible when running on a touch screen. Windows doesn't support gestures, and the virtual keyboard is a complete nightmare. I bought myself an iPad Pro 11" M2 as an all-rounder. The Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet.
Hah, yeah, couldn't imagine buying one retail, but in a couple of years, when this gen gets replaced by corporate, and they're cheap on ebay, and if ya can disable copilot anyhow, it could be very interesting.
Not sure why anyone would buy this when the minsforum v3 tablet exists, only advantage I can see for this is the oled model and that thing is expensive
Also, the 3:2 aspect ratio is a huge benefit on a tablet in my opinion. That said, I wouldn't pay more than $700 for this model, when you can get a Minisforum V3 with 32GB of RAM for $950... That thing is a beast, but just very slightly too big for me!
I also own a Surface Pro 9 like my main device. And I was disappointed. The biggest problem is that nothing has changed with the arrival of X Elite: 1. The device is large. He needs a lot of space on the table or in hands. 2. The device is heavy. Holding 900 g with one hand and drawing with the other is unrealistic. After 3 minutes I’m looking for somewhere to put it or put it down. 3. The device is hot. If I'm working on my laptop rather than just reading the news, my Surface gets uncomfortably hot. 4. The stylus is simply disgusting. After Apple Pencil 2, Microsoft's stylus looks like a child's toy. 5. Windows itself is terrible when running on a touch screen. Windows doesn't support gestures, and the virtual keyboard is a complete nightmare. I bought myself an iPad Pro 11" M2 as an all-rounder. The Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet.
@@neelpanchal4716 If you take only Windows laptops, then the Surface Pro is truly the best device you can buy. If you take tablets, then there is nothing to compare with. The iPad is simply tearing SP to shreds. It is colder, lives longer, is more comfortable, lighter. In real life, the X Elite doesn't even match the performance of the M1. I barely sold SP9 and took SP11 for a week. I returned it to the store a week later and have no regrets.
Using windows on arm is like using wire wool as toilet paper. It might be possible, but why bother when linux runs smoother than chilled charmin ultra😊
The minisforum v3 tablet has all the stuff that high end premium handheld of gaming devices have. The 8,000 series AMD mobile chip. 32 gigs of mem if you want it. A 165 hertz refresh rate. It runs frans generation out of the box while numerous handhelds don’t. It has refresh rate technology. Runs lossless scaling no problem. Comes with a keyboard. Has sold for around 1,000. There’s no way iy doesn’t beat the breaks off this bloated overpriced tech if you have any desire to game. v3 is no doubt the greatest AAA gaming tablet ever created.
If you can’t seriously game with it & snapdragon basically emulating windows was not the greatest last time i saw, then there ain’t no way I’m paying these prices. lool. For what? You can buy a OLED chrome book for 500 hundred of something with endless battery that can stream video forever. If that floats your boat.
You are absolutely right, and I've seen the 32GB V3 for as low as $950, with the keyboard case (which is why I wouldn't pay more than $700 for this)! I love everything about the V3, except I wish more companies would use the 3:2 aspect ratio for their tablets; the V3 is just large enough for it to be unwieldy for me as a tablet (the height of the display is perfect, if it just shaved a little more of the right and left sides to 3:2, it would be my perfect device)! I just really don't feel comfortable using a wide display in tablet mode, where the 3:2 feels really comfortable to hold and balance...
@@johndelabretonne2373 imma install magpie & force an approximation of 21:9, ultra widescreen, which is the best resolution to game in, period. I know most devices don’t technically support this & only a few games support it natively, but you can spoof a reasonable equivalent, I got no problem forcing 21:9 on any device no matter its native resolution. lool. It’s all the same when you change it yourself.
the V3 looks 3d printed and is like twice as thick. the surface is the best designed tablet ever. plus 3:2 aspect ratio is superior for office work and creative applications.
I'll wait till these kinds of tablets goes like 500-600...
I only got my interest because I heard snapdragon X supposedly provides a longer battery life and decent performance at low voltage...
honestly with the tablet battery and decent gaming for people like me who only play valo fortnite this is enough for performance mode but yeah its overpriced should be max 750 but pretty decent for what it can do with the power cap
@@nodudelikemeThis is as powerful if not more than M2 Macbook Air which costs over $1000+ with just 8gb of ram while this have 16gb and double the storage
bro get a Ryzen AI 9 instead. it's x86. and it also has some place in peformance per watt. and their iGPU is always the GOAT
@@NoobNotFoundDev Worse battery, louder fans, runs hotter and more expensive, no thanks.
I'm curious what advantages do you see in these MS's tablets over conventional Android ones. The only one I see is the (replaceable) M2 SSD.
I had the base Surface Pro 11 model (started with the initial Surface models up to generation 3, before switching to Macs/iPads, so I went for the Pro), but exchanged it for a Surface Laptop 7 15" because I like the Laptop form-factor better. While my MacBook Air M2 is my main Laptop, the Surface Laptop 7 now gets used quite a lot. Windows Hello, the occasional touch and the 3:2 screen are great (but very reflective). Also I like the speakers, the HDR-display for videos and its SDR-gamut (I don't need the 120Hz).
What really annoys me is Adobe's (and other ISV's) lack of software support - no Lightroom classic (not even emulated), so useless for my photography (even though Photoshop works). The other photography-ISVs (DxO, Phase One, Luminar,...) also don't support Windows for ARM. Apple Music/TV also does not install via the Microsoft Store, but at least you can install it via Windows' "winget" and run it emulated (works great).
To all the Linux-fans - WSL2/Ubuntu runs for me like a charm - it's sometimes faster than Windows native (e.g. when running ollama, llama.cpp) and surely much better supported for ARM. If you are not "religious" about Microsoft, this is a great linux machine through WSL2. And other than Macs, it also does nested hypervisors,... The only currently missing thing is GPU-passthrough from Linux (via e.g. libvirt or similar) to the host GPU-driver - currently Vulkan in WSL2/Ubuntu gets CPU-emulated and is sloooow. Also the NPU support via QNN is very early, not used by mainstream software.
WebGL is supported nicely - you can e.g. run local AI applications on the GPU in Chrome.
FYI that the ARM CPU in these things makes finding drivers for various things that youd expect to work, into a nightmare. Anything that says it works with x86/x64 doesnt matter, everything you find to install has to be for ARM. A real PITA for our org. Canon print drivers never work, even our VPN software wouldnt install. Its a fast PC with great battery and a PITA to do a lot of things that we take for granted with Windows these days.
That's why I always thought this Windows on ARM shouldn't be called Windows. That way, they can separate the products and the app ecosystem between both x86 and ARM versions for the consumers to understand. Same shit happened with WinRT.
It's always useful to remember that the early adopter tax isn't just the higher hardware cost. It's all the other bugs and inconveniences that haven't yet been worked out yet.
True but in a way it feels like deja vu. It was the same way when the world started transitioning from 32-bit to 64-bit architecture and you have to hunt down binaries specifically compiled for your platform. Of course it's not exactly the same since x64 backward compatibility was far better but in the end, it's still the price you have to pay when you're one of the first early adopters of any new technology
Not really, constant crashing of program still happen even the apps previously have x86 compatible programs. Really wish this could be solve in not long future, I bet it's more of the window problem than the apps problem.
@@benjaminmiddaugh2729 > that the early adopter tax
My brother in Christ, microsoft trying to push full version of windows to arm since January 2011...
Honestly, it's been years since I used a Surface laptop. Didn't really expect them to be able to play some triple A games at all, thought it was streaming at first when scrolling through.
A Surface with a Ryzen processor would be so much better, lol. ROG Ally proved that.
@@bandito241 true but its a feat to have Cyberpunk 2077 running ON an arm chip ON a surface WITH 1080p AT an average of 40 fps and with an emulation layer as well
@@bandito241 nahh ROG Ally still performs better than even 7600G with the iGPU alone. It's the chip
Now its time for the snapdragon x elite/plus handheld
@@sunnyhansda just use gaming phones and a game sir or razer kishi
People here saying 500-600 is delusional, even though i agree Surface tax is real.
I have SP 8 as my main device. For what we are getting is more expensive than the spec suggests. I think 800-900 would be just price for thia thing.
Have the Sapphire Surface Laptop 7 with the X Plus SoC, About the only game I play on it is Dwarf Fortress, but for an arm powered day-to-day get things done laptop, It's amazing. It's the M1 moment for Windows laptops. Sure there are more powerful X86 machines, but for work, and media consumption, these are great, lightweight and last half of forever.
Do you know if Rimworld works on the X plus?
I’m just waiting for the 5G modem version. It is perfect.
available on business site
@@MangoPickleGaming bummer no 32gb option with 5g. I guess I’ll wait for the consumer side.
@@MangoPickleGamingcan provide a link
@@yuvrajsingh099 india mei ni hai bhai, for US now available on microsoft website even for consumers.
@yuvrajsingh099 they have it on microsoft website. But only the grey version 16gb is available in 5G
The fact that you can run cyberpunk 2077 on a tablet is insane! If that game was running in an iPad people would be praising the hell out of it. This is a great achievement for the Surface tablets
I tried cyberpunk 2077 on this same model and it runs horribly when you get driving around and into shooting with more than a few people.. Starts chugging bad fps.. He barely played it.. I tested way more games and do not really recommend this for gaming unless you plan on streaming with game pass or boosteroid or GeForce now
@@josher14 I'd use it for multimedia purposes and just play some casual games
@@koppii2 what apps and games? They may not run on arm
It looks perfect. Now make it 8 inches and I might buy one
The prop port is not just charging, it allows those fancy smancy expansion things for more ports. Of course, there are those can just use those other (usb) ports too - so take what you want for both charging and expansion.
Imagine making a tablet with 'Pro' in the name and putting a full OS on it 🤔
Tim. Please take note. 🤨
3x2 allows a 1080p resolution video to play yet allow taskbar or terminal to stick out top and bottom
Like years ago, Qualcomm continue to charge exorbitant prices. Just get Minisforum V3 AMD Tablet with 32GB RAM, great 3d perf and x86 Windows at $1k
Love the critism its soo needed with there minour progress dropping new devices every month like there r&d is def
I bet android running winlator can run GTAV faster
That's thanks to Wine/Proton/Box64.
Windows 11 can run an Android emulator....and then run GTAV in winlator.
@@caspice😂
@@caspice I take it that would be before another M$ update that causes a boot loop🤣
@@caspice the idea of emulating an operating system twice doesnt sound great lmao.
Imaging that Soc on a steam deck like device . That would be awesome
It would also be perfect if microsoft and arm get together and fix their x86 program compatibility issues. Its 2024 figure it out. We got private companies putting rockets into space but we cant have all programs working on snapdragon arm processors.
My daily driver is a Surface Pro 8 and I still love it for the versatility. When devs get onboard with more native ARM apps and device drivers AND the prices of these come down I might upgrade, but I just hope the early adopters of the SP11 weigh the pros and cons before forking over the exorbitant amount of cash.
Would be nice to see benchmarks particularly against Minisforum V3 with the AMD Ryzen 7 8840U with similar specs; love to see an A:B comparison
Additionally, Netflix is not playing nice with Microsoft these days
The v3 is king with performance and gaming but just lacks battery life.. You'll want a usbc power delivery bank
@@josher14 Oooh, do tell please.
Is the battery life challenge under gaming or general use ? Can imagine gaming pushing it hard would be quite challenging for power and battery.
@@jallen1227 yeah while gaming you get 1.5 to 2 hours while gaming at 28watts you can set it to 15watts while indie gaming or drop resolution
I like the way that screen looked, LED you say WOW!. ty ETA PRIME, take care.
I’m debating picking this up before I go back to school on the 28th of october here. I currently have an iPad pro M2 12.9 inch that I’ve been using, but I don’t want a mac because i don’t like MacOS very much. Plus, I play a few games on steam that wont run on the mac that can on this, nothing crazy intensive but I think this device will suit my needs perfectly.
And? Did you buy it? It's the first of November now.
It would be perfect if it's 500 dollars.
@@rafidywolf1504 This is as powerful if not more than M2 Macbook Air which costs over $1000+ with just 8gb of ram while this have 16gb. Your expectations are unrealistic
does it make sense though? isn't this comparable to the highest end of samsung's tablet?
This is as powerful if not more than M2 Macbook Air which costs over $1000+ with just 8gb of ram while this have 16gb and double the storage.
Imagine thinking you get the power this thing has in a tablet for 500$ bucks ☠️ your telling us how much you know without telling us lol 😂
@@clickbaitprofr imagine thinking you get this power in a tablet for 500$ 🤣
I get Intel had this issues, but going to a company who only has success building chips for mobile devices, while raising the price on the previous gens (all while SSDs continue to get more efficient and cheaper, and RAM continues to do the same) just feels like a massive backwards step.
Thanks for the review.
I would be curious to see how emulation runs on this tablet... Dreamcast, PS2... etc
I wish their stock charger was grounded. My Surface Pro X has an unpleasant vibrating/tingling sensation when I touch it if I use an ungrounded adapter, such as the stock charger.
Same thing is true with Apple laptops: they're mighty unpleasant if the charger isn't grounded.
Crazy that you can play cyberpunk on a surface. Wish they would make a surface mini though. 8 or 7 inch would be nice.
Should use MS's AutoSR for upscaling.
Drivers for business use, photocopiers and printers that's where it's not so good, but I do see some arm options now where you would only have windows 32bit and 64bit before.
I thought the first thing you'd do is to try an eGPU on it since it got USB-C 4.0!
Are we not there yet! 🤔
I thought the whole purpose of Microsoft was still pumping Qualcomm with money for the last couple of years without proper sells numbers is to finance them until their chips grow to be compatible with Nvidia and/or AMD!
@@samfisher3336 I'm not sure egpu would work as I doubt there's arm specific drivers from any of the manufacturers. Maybe if you use Linux on it I guess.
@bionicgeekgrrl Yeah, that was the issue from 3 years ago, but I think the market is ready for the next step!
If there's a demand, there's a way.
It's not like a nonprofit community is trying to make it work! It is MICROSOFT 💰💰
the Snapdragon processors always did make more sense as a tablet than a Laptop, especially since the translation layer isnt very good
i had the 2017 surface pro.. had 2 refurbished replacement and now its completely dead.. never again
@@JogBird I had the surface pro 4 and the same thing happened. I love the surface, just wish this wasn’t a common issue.
Two years ago I bet there’s better or good prices on this product by now
Apple and ARM work because they can get all the developers on board. The same can't be said for Microsoft.
Probably the next surface I like aside from the one with geforce dgpu on it. Totally cool but I think those Ryzen 9 AI chips will flood the market more than this hence better pricing on those plus no translation headaches as they are x86 chips rather than ARM. Windows on ARM is just not here yet to completely take shares from x86, maybe in a couple more generations....
the only thing that makes tablets bad is the over voltage they apply on there gpu and cpu i think if you can undervolt you will gain alot of extra preformance and battery life like 20%.so it would be nice if they unlock the voltage control and let users undervolt .
That X1 GPU needs to have at least double the performance to be competitive with RDNA 3 iGPU's. The CPU is more than fast enough though.
That will probably improve with future generations. Supposed to have some spare pcie lanes, which may allow external to soc gpu in the future depending upon if snapdragon allows it. This is really the beta stage for the products and especially the os and software, which should improve over time, especially if Microsoft encourages the big players to make the effort.
This would make so much sense this was x86 chip that can do abit more than Browsing
My 'favorite' part of all the WoA stuff was the many "unbiased" reviewers who either lied straight through their teeth (or didnt bother to be smart enough to double check some things) so they could whine about how the battery and/or power claims were lies. Then Alex Ziskind showed them all to be liars, ignorant and not worth listening too, or worse. I love topics that let you know 10000000% who you should and should not listen to.
The ONLY actual issues with a lot of these WoA products is the price - but hey, that's why you wait.
@@xBINARYGODxCouldn't agree more! For a cheaper price, some people might be willing to put up with all the problems and incompatibilities, but at the current price, these things just aren't selling... I predict they will be $800 by Christmas! And that might still not be low enough...
The fact that 8 gen 4 is much more powerful than snapdragon x plus fascinates me I can't wait to test that chipset ☠️
This would be perfect if the chip is AMD HX 370 or upcoming Intel lunar lake. ARM is so limiting, I don't care too much about extraordinary battery life
I'm really looking forward to Linux kernal supporting it and run Fedora on it.
the dilemma. Pay my mortgage or buy a tablet to play GBA games.
My dilemma...too poor to ever have a mortgage or tablet to play GBA games...
You had such a hard time saying what copliot is good for. Give me one real use case you'd use copilot for in your daily computer use.
Heavily using it on android. It's not extremely integrated but man o man.. It beats Google search by lightyears. Ever had those searches where you don't know the name to search for, and Google search isn't able to help. Well... You be surprised the way copilot narrows it down and searches on Google for you with accuracy to get it for you. I am now able to ask it stuffs and it replies back with suggestions knowing me as an educated scientist, tech friend.
It's a nice windows based Chromebook
That should sell for $700.
@@johndelabretonne2373 I don't know but I feel the iPad is a better buy just for the user experience since this one comes without keyboard hahaha
@@nizaramanchar8735I get where you're coming from; the fit and polish of the iPad tablet UI is undeniable. Unfortunately, I'm never going to be a part of that ecosystem, so it has never been on my radar. On the other hand, the One Plus Pad 2 brings just as much value for significantly less money... If they made this with Chrome OS, I'd be all over it!
Waiting for a Snapdragon Surface Go
They need to make one half the size and half the price.
It's great that you can Uninstall co-pilot, and disable all the ai crap.
Would love to see emulation on these machines.
If only it was an 11 inch, bezel-less with a regular plastic, non-alcantar keyboard it would be perfect
Great vid
Would it be possible to see it paired with an eGPU? 👀
I wonder about the standby performance. Does it lose a high amount of battery life when on sleep or hybernate relative to the intel-powered Surface devices?
Surface pro VS ProArt detailed comparison PLZ
i think youtube upgrading the quality again, 1440 looks clearer now, or is it just my phone
I was not first! This might be my next pick up.
Why don’t they offer a keyboard that lets you use it like a laptop without the annoying kickstand, could even offer one with a built in extended battery and extra connectivity. Apple managed to get past the floppy keyboard phase for iPads and they’re not even good at being a laptop.
Sad to say, because everything is using it, but a 7840u/8840u would have been a way better option here. For better graphic and overall compatability and performance. And copilot can go to hell.
Couldn't agree more! I don't know why Microsoft has refused to put these chips in their Surface devices, so they could actually come close to matching their outrageous prices to the performance. It really feels like collusion between Microsoft and Intel, especially when you see that Microsoft is finally fixing several year old bugs that have significantly affected the performance of Ryzen processor!
Looks almost perfect except for one thing: Windows
Crazy to see Microsoft becoming better at hardware than they are at software in 2024.
Ever since Windows 11, the "AI" craze, and now unwanted features like Recall, Microsoft software products have started to become a big concerning.
No wonder more people are becoming interested in Linux.
Case in point: ETA Prime: "But seriously, there are a lot real world use-case scenarios where Copilot would come in handy for a lot of people out there," after asking it to create a picture of a hamster knight fighting a dragon in a library. I guess he just couldn't think of any off the top of his head, because he moved on with the video instead of pointing out a single one of these "use-cases."
I was waiting for the eGPU @USB4
@@SuperSuhail doesn't work.. No driver support
i want to see linux running on snapdragon x
Good luck. Qualcomm likes to obfuscate and obstruct efforts by refusing to release secure boot keys and mappings for its device tree.
If it was able to boot linux i doubt most if not all apps would run on it right of the bat.
The gpu are not meant for gaming but I feel it should be better
The X Plus is 1300€ and is comparable to r7 8840u-ex: Onexplayer X1 is also 1300€
Maybe in multicore performance, but the 8840u is roughly 15% faster in single core performance (which is what counts most), and it annihilates it in GPU performance!
I'm seeing that lossless scaling installed... can you run some games with lossless running and see what max frames you can get with it?
This chip have so many potential, but windows are just not for it, many emulate programs keeps crashing, only some specialised apps and Microsoft build in app run okay.
Yeah pretty trash they should’ve went with 8840u
Emulation test at 1080p please. If possible with Windows ARM! Thanks ETA.
up for this!
There's an ARM build of Ryujinx that works great, also on Lenovo Slim 7x I can run PCSX 2 x64 version at 4x internal resolution 60fps for God of War 1 and 2.
Would love to see this!
@@TalynOne yes, in fact, there is also a video.
I noticed you rarely ever put the price of the items you review, and to most people that is the main determining factor. Having to look it up is time consuming and a waste of time if they are out of budget or overpriced.
4:08 this is crazy fast! Or is this part is forwarded?
Does this screen support Variable Refresh Rate (VRR, Freesync)?
Does this tablet hat fans?
Big ass tablet bu no head phone Jack because of course - they don't have the physical space and want to make it water proof, while adding two wide ass proprietary connectors.
since you do emulation content why don't you make a video on how to install wsa on this? there are instructions on xda if you Google “someone fixed wsa on surface pro 11 "
I bought mine few days ago but I must say I am VERY DISAPPOINTED. The battery is only marginally better than the Intel Surface Pro (I have a Pro 8 as well), which is a dealbreaker for me (I work long hours away from a power socket). Many reviewers praise the new chip being the Apple M series killer, but trust me, unless you are 100% sure the new Snapdragon Surface Pro runs the app you need, or else don't bother. It is not as good as they say.
Sorry to hear. Anything you do like about it? I was thinking of purchasing this one actually
Although windows is meh atm. But the live wallpaper was dope tho, what's it called?
At around the 9 min mark, you show off some live wallpapers. You did the same in another video and I spent alot of time looking, please help lol
My only issue is the lack of eGPU support
I wonder if we will ever get dedicated ARM GPU in future
@@rajaafifi4280 Its unlikely that it will happen anytime soon. I dont see why nvidia/amd would bother coding drivers for such a small market, they got better things to do
Would you be able to check if RossTech VCDS is compatible with this?
Nice overview, God bless.
I would like to see EVE Online
can you try fighting games such as Street Fighter 6? How does that fair?
nice beast mashine
The gold color of this device is so beautiful. Will definitely stand out in the sea of black and white laptops.
It will be perfect when we can get LINUX on it.
That GPU needs to be atleast close to m1 level
the battery is way too small imo
Dude, you where clearly paid to make this review. There goes your already lackluster credibility.
Right!!!!!!!
Extactly what i was thinking… like testing wifi 7 by playing a youtube video? wtf is that
Emulation test.
Emulation test.
Emulation test.
Please
I also own a Surface Pro 9 like my main device. And I was disappointed.
The biggest problem is that nothing has changed with the arrival of X Elite:
1. The device is large. He needs a lot of space on the table or in hands.
2. The device is heavy. Holding 900 g with one hand and drawing with the other is unrealistic. After 3 minutes I’m looking for somewhere to put it or put it down.
3. The device is hot. If I'm working on my laptop rather than just reading the news, my Surface gets uncomfortably hot.
4. The stylus is simply disgusting. After Apple Pencil 2, Microsoft's stylus looks like a child's toy.
5. Windows itself is terrible when running on a touch screen. Windows doesn't support gestures, and the virtual keyboard is a complete nightmare.
I bought myself an iPad Pro 11" M2 as an all-rounder. The Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet.
Hah, yeah, couldn't imagine buying one retail, but in a couple of years, when this gen gets replaced by corporate, and they're cheap on ebay, and if ya can disable copilot anyhow, it could be very interesting.
Is it able to run games with anticheat? curious if the emulation layer would cause a compatibility issue with the game's anticheat.
Hey ETA PRIME, you stay outside of Memphis!??!
Not sure why anyone would buy this when the minsforum v3 tablet exists, only advantage I can see for this is the oled model and that thing is expensive
Better finishing and design, lower weight
Also, the 3:2 aspect ratio is a huge benefit on a tablet in my opinion. That said, I wouldn't pay more than $700 for this model, when you can get a Minisforum V3 with 32GB of RAM for $950... That thing is a beast, but just very slightly too big for me!
Make a video on apple ipad m4 vs this tab
I also own a Surface Pro 9 like my main device. And I was disappointed.
The biggest problem is that nothing has changed with the arrival of X Elite:
1. The device is large. He needs a lot of space on the table or in hands.
2. The device is heavy. Holding 900 g with one hand and drawing with the other is unrealistic. After 3 minutes I’m looking for somewhere to put it or put it down.
3. The device is hot. If I'm working on my laptop rather than just reading the news, my Surface gets uncomfortably hot.
4. The stylus is simply disgusting. After Apple Pencil 2, Microsoft's stylus looks like a child's toy.
5. Windows itself is terrible when running on a touch screen. Windows doesn't support gestures, and the virtual keyboard is a complete nightmare.
I bought myself an iPad Pro 11" M2 as an all-rounder. The Surface Pro is a laptop, not a tablet.
@@СергейЯковлев-л9ь yes it's expensive but someone is trying to shake apple
X elite beating on the margin of performance where apple just want to eat money of customer and giving less
@@neelpanchal4716
If you take only Windows laptops, then the Surface Pro is truly the best device you can buy.
If you take tablets, then there is nothing to compare with. The iPad is simply tearing SP to shreds.
It is colder, lives longer, is more comfortable, lighter.
In real life, the X Elite doesn't even match the performance of the M1.
I barely sold SP9 and took SP11 for a week. I returned it to the store a week later and have no regrets.
Super cool
massive effect
if this chip going to steam deck as steam deck pro, unstoppable
just waiting optimize for linux os
Using windows on arm is like using wire wool as toilet paper. It might be possible, but why bother when linux runs smoother than chilled charmin ultra😊
Linux is poop even compared to Windows on Arm
Does it have expandable micro sd storage?
Another goodtablet which will be DESTROYED by windows updates!!
Emulation test please
The minisforum v3 tablet has all the stuff that high end premium handheld of gaming devices have. The 8,000 series AMD mobile chip. 32 gigs of mem if you want it. A 165 hertz refresh rate. It runs frans generation out of the box while numerous handhelds don’t. It has refresh rate technology. Runs lossless scaling no problem. Comes with a keyboard. Has sold for around 1,000. There’s no way iy doesn’t beat the breaks off this bloated overpriced tech if you have any desire to game. v3 is no doubt the greatest AAA gaming tablet ever created.
If you can’t seriously game with it & snapdragon basically emulating windows was not the greatest last time i saw, then there ain’t no way I’m paying these prices. lool. For what? You can buy a OLED chrome book for 500 hundred of something with endless battery that can stream video forever. If that floats your boat.
You are absolutely right, and I've seen the 32GB V3 for as low as $950, with the keyboard case (which is why I wouldn't pay more than $700 for this)! I love everything about the V3, except I wish more companies would use the 3:2 aspect ratio for their tablets; the V3 is just large enough for it to be unwieldy for me as a tablet (the height of the display is perfect, if it just shaved a little more of the right and left sides to 3:2, it would be my perfect device)! I just really don't feel comfortable using a wide display in tablet mode, where the 3:2 feels really comfortable to hold and balance...
@@johndelabretonne2373 imma install magpie & force an approximation of 21:9, ultra widescreen, which is the best resolution to game in, period. I know most devices don’t technically support this & only a few games support it natively, but you can spoof a reasonable equivalent, I got no problem forcing 21:9 on any device no matter its native resolution. lool. It’s all the same when you change it yourself.
the V3 looks 3d printed and is like twice as thick. the surface is the best designed tablet ever. plus 3:2 aspect ratio is superior for office work and creative applications.
@@israelramirez0202Ate you kidding me? The V3 is 0.5mm thicker than the Surface Pro (9.3 vs 9.8)! That is basically nothing...
Could an egpu be set up with this 👀🤓
Ok so how's this thing with ADUC and other Help desk stuff like wire shark?
What are those backgrounds? Wallpaper Engine?