Don't take it for granted.. We click we watch and we move on but your videos are different man. I hope people can appreciate how much heart and soul you put into it❤Too many big youtubers are going for shortcuts and bro u shine
This is probably the best tech review I have ever seen!!! This is unlike any other review where UA-camrs would just layout the tech on a table and talk about each tech while facing the camera and occasionally showing video clips of the tech. This video review is a work of art. Please keep it coming and similar to this. Such a joy to watch.
Best comparison between these two devices that I've seen. No fanboy nonsense, just an honest review of two similar yet different devices. Thank you my friend for the excellent information!
I have tried using my iPad Pro 13 for the longest time now. It get my productivity works done, but not without A LOT of struggles. The "fatal attraction" of a surface pro is pulling me back... very strongly and I have been resisting it as the iPad Pro 13 doesn't come cheap and I had wanted to give it another go. Likely I will surrender to the surface pro. Update: I actually went with Asus Zenbook S16, but didn't give up totally on the iPad Pro.
Indeed, the Surface Pro 11 is actually the best 2 in 1, and it will be even more so when most apps will be updated and made compatible with Windows for ARM.
@@trentgilliam5192 I would say SOON. Or much sooner than we expected. Microsoft with their SQ chips failed miserably to excite developers to optimize their apps for Windows on ARM. Qualcomm on the other hand has shown what ARM should be capable of doing in their first shot. They could also easily port EVERY android app if Microsoft let them to.
Half true. The mission statement for the iPad is to be the "third device" that 1) does things the laptop and phone can't do, 2) a third of things that phones and laptops can do, it does them way better. By focusing on optimization on these things it ensures it won't be "clunky" at them. So what we're seeing in where these devices excel and fall short is a direct result of their different mission statements. For someone wanting a Laptop-Tablet-Phone experience on only two devices, the Surface is the winner. That's literally its mission, to help you do all three with only two. You get a "passable" laptop experience coming in at 90% what the best dedicated laptop can do, and a "passable" tablet that's a bit clunky at what tablets do best. Over time, having this -10% abrasive experience of not being the best I can be, made me abandon the Surface and go for a Mac+iPad+iPhone trio. On the Macbook+iPad+iPhone experience, you simply get a best-in-class laptop computing experience, a best-in-class tablet experience, and a kind of "automagic" integration between all three where you can just put down one and go to the other or use all three together as a single "mega-device": the iPhone giving studio quality video for webcam while the tablet is effortlessly becoming second screen for the laptop or vice versa. Copy pasting between them all as if they were one device. That's the tip of the iceberg of a list that has about 100 more things I could go on and on about.. It's more money invested up front but the luxurious optimized efficiency seems worth it. The higher resale value, better longevity, better productivity, and greater sanity at being able to "work at the speed of thought" is starting to make me feel that the total cost of ownership is even equal or less, than juggling around and replacing Windows and Android devices more often. I'm very pleased that Samsung, Microsoft, and Apple are in a stiff competition now though. It's good for anyone who uses these devices.
@@kingech_B15 If not, then why buy tablets at all? Phone + Laptop is the only things needed, right? A lot of us prefer to be able to pull out a larger screen on-the-go, do some stuff, put it away. If we need a table, open the laptop, sit down, just to work then it is of less use. Work becomes a hazzle. Tablet is the better design for us, but then it must be able to do PC work, not phone work. Hence why iPad will never be a 2-in-1, its just a larger iPhone
Excellent and balanced video. I totally agree with your assessment. I've had a M1 12.9-inch 2TB model with magic keyboard and pencil for coming up to 3yrs and at the time I purchased it as an Intel MacBook Pro replacement which it completely failed to do due to iPad OS limitations. M series iPad Pro are technically excellent, but despite iPad OS improvements, the operating system still cripples them to live in a walled garden ecosystem of mostly mediocre smart phone style apps. I object to paying such a high price for computer tablet where Apple dictate what apps I can or cannot run through their app store policies. And consequently, I will never by another iPad Pro, because my sixth gen iPad Mini is just as competent as a media consumption and casual gaming tablet, but more portable. Why, because iPad OS wastes the incredible performance potential of the iPad Pro. I now have a Windows 11 tablet PC and love it. It's replaced both my iPad Pro and M2 MacBook Pro, because the iPad Pro does not have a desktop class operating system and the MacBook Pro's UI feels prehistoric with its lack of touch display and intrinsic stylus support which I really appreciate in my later stages of my life.
14:32 this is the exact reason why I move to surface. IPad makes me mad every single time I bring it outside to work and then I realize it can't do simple task without a computer.
I actually just replaced my surface with an iPad Pro. I definitely see why you seemed to prefer the Surface over the iPad, and I can’t fault any of the reasons it was better for you. I wanted a more “secondary” device, that I could also use to do some serious stuff if needed. I knew what I was getting myself into, and didn’t have any illusions about the limitations, so I’ve been extremely happy. The windows experience was just too clunky, quirky, buggy, and unstable for me. YMMV of course.
I went for surface pro 11, as appealing as the iPad was. I hope there will be some Linux touch distro in the future. By the way, nice videos and highly curated esthetics and taste
I have both products, but I use them for different purposes. I use the Surface for all general tasks, while I use the iPad solely for consuming content. I hope that one day the iPad will be able to run both macOS and iPadOS programs. I enjoyed watching the video. Thank you.
They can make it like Dex but you know it will never happen. iPads already are as expensive as macbooks (the Pro of course) and all it has is instagram value. to take a picture on IG with it. Running mac programs will kill the macbook which will never happen.
We will see less need for Mac in iPads if developers begin to develop for both Mac and iPad. I wonder if we don’t see both apps being developed at same time because large companies refuse to develop with Swift.
atlesst ipad os should have full fledged desktop class browser so that we can use/surf govt websites on ipad or. use web versions of app that sucks on ipad. Web Browser and Files App needs a lot of improvements. and multi stream audio playback also background activity (downloading/uploading)
I am a full Apple ecosystem person. However, I would never buy an iPad which is still a very expensive "gadget". On the other hand, you can get done every Windows related task on the Surface Pro which is ideal. It can simply be your one and only PC, tablet, laptop at home. Ms Office, Outlook, Teams, full file management, Vs Code, anything that runs on Windows ARM... Games, to me, is really not a point of comparison, that is niche and also relative in time. The very same game can suddenly get an update and stop playing well on your device (Ex: COD Warzone)
Wierd. Im pretty sure theres a Netflix, Hulu, etc etc app for Windows devices. Why did you knock the Surface for not having something it actually does have?
He said that the browser experience is better, but I guess he could have been more clear. Honestly if a browser page is better than a native app,, it's a bit of a shame. Not the device's fault though, but rather the maker of the app.
Is the surface pro a good device for studying? I want to study soon and need something with powerpoint and word. I want a 2 in 1 as well. So should I buy it or search for another option? Btw perfect video
Oh boy has your channel improved, you always had great editing and filming, but now you seem to comprehend a lot what customers may look for. Keep on the hard work. A long time subscriber here.
if you are not into gaming and want something that actually gets a job done go for surface pro. I bought the iPAD, tried to use it with a monitor and tried to actually work on it and it sucked, but it's been pretty good for entertainment and reading. So If you already have a proper windows/macOs machine to work, I guess buy the iPad for the extra if you got the cash
I considered both. I ended up purchasing a Minisforum v3. While it is heavier, it came with the keyboard and pen, it's got 32GB ram, and a 1TB SSD. The only downside is the battery, which gets about 5-6 hours for kind of regular usage. It's gaming ability is significantly beyond either the M4 iPad Pro or Surface Pro 11 (but an even bigger battery drain). Plus, you can always use it as a monitor for another device. All that for 999$ USD? It's just a better value. More speed, more space, more power. And for me, my preference is always matte over glossy screen, so I loved that. The only real downside I feel is the battery and that the additional weight. It's 2lb compared to the iPad Pro (m4)'s 1.25lb. It's easily noticeable. But if you're taking it somewhere for work or play, you're likely putting it on a flat surface, so, whatever. Likewise, at home, I just plug it into a dock and it does dual monitors, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc, all by plugging in one wire. The moment they can get all that into a 1.25lb or less package is the moment the current gen of tablets becomes almost obselete by comparison unless you're purely looking for a consumption device on a tablet.
Great video - subscribed! Question since I saw the photography stuff - how is Lightroom / Photoshop on the Surface Pro? It was pretty much unusable on my old Surface Pro 5 I think. I have an 11" M1 iPad Pro which fits nicely in my camera bag. The mobile app works fine, but doesn't stitch panos or 360s, and I'm thinking about getting a new Surface for that reason...
This is by far the best analysis and comparison I have seen between the two devices. I have tested the latest Surface Pro, IPad Pro, Surface Laptop, and MacBook Air & MacBook Pro devices. They all bring something unique to the table. My goal was to find a single device that could simplify my personal and productivity needs. While I believe the iPad Pro boasts the most innovative hardware package, it absolutely falls short in overall productivity, especially when using the complete Office 365 Suite as I do on a daily basis. If it weren’t for that IPad Pro would be my daily driver, but that experience is critical enough for my work that I also give the Surface Pro the nod. Outstanding analysis E.
Great video!! E!! Quick question I been seeing you use a tech ring but I seen most of them being used in index but you have in ring finger? Which are you wearing? Thank you!
The answer is very simple, as long as it does 100% of what you need when you are travelling, that’s the device. Because at home or when we station, we almost always have workarounds but once we travel, we try to be light, that’s where the true device shines. I used to have SP8, it was my ONLY device for over 2 years. I play games and work when I am home by connecting to my eGPU and I watch movies, work, and check stock when I travelled. Now I use an OneXPlayer X1. Same except that now I could also play games on the go. This is for me. But everybody is different but that’s why I said at the beginning, as long as it does 100% of what you do when you travel, that’s the device.
Watching this while at the same time, I just bought the Amazon-exclusive Surface Pro with OLED X-Elite chip for $999.. It’s too good of a deal and your video also helped :)
As somebody that love's apple and has drank the coolaid, the iPad will never have a desktop environment where you can put files and whatnot with a more "normal" window manager. It would cannibalize the Macbook Air and apple doesn't want that. imo the iPad will stay in this weird place between a 2in1 a tablet, leaning more towards the tablet. Opposite goes for the Macbook's, I don't see them ever getting touchscreens. If they did people would stop buying iPad Pro's.
@@ThisIsE I agree. My family has been all Mac since 2005. My kids, 21, 14 and 8 only know touch devices. They are iPad only by choice. Even their school uses iPads. Normal for them is how the iPad file system functions. When they use a MBP, they don’t like the workflow. In my opinion, workflow preferences are just developed habits. I don’t see any cannibalism threats at this point.
What are you talking about? Apple cannibalized its products before, maybe you’re too young to know what happened with iPods when iPhone was introduced. Do your research before writing nonsense publicly 😂
@thatroykid that’s not the main reason it’s the App Store commission. Watch the Verge’s video. Apple could’ve created an all new overpriced tablet segment with macos but they won’t do it
@@trentgilliam5192the future is iPad. The new generatiom like kids to new college students now prefer iPads. There is AI now and apps like Canva, CapCut, and so on, are better than macbook apps due to AI etc and has Netflix...they can focus on substance of content rather than sophistication of editting. Many new generation of content creators or vloggers with high views and millions of subscribers only use iPads and many vloggers with few views and few subscribers uses mac or windows with high end softwares that has high learning curve and complexity.
9:30 WRONG. thunderbolt is created by intel with apple so since the surface is a qualcomm sourced chip, it's not tb4. while the usb-c is similar to tb4, it's not actually a tb4 since it's not an intel chip.
I got a surface pro 11, and I'm happy overall. Recently I made the cinematics of a game, and rendered in both Maya and Blender. An Ipad could have never done that. The only weakness.... ARM. The only thing keeping it a step back from a "real" computer is the compatibility with software, since it needs to have a native build for ARM to get the max out of the device, and the great majority of software doesn't. There are a few, I was able to spot Davinci Resolve (a video editing program) with a native build and works BEAUTIFUL, it's such a smooth and pleasing experience. Most can be emulated, wish supposedly uses more resources of the device and does a decent job, you'll probably be able to use most stuff. But not all. There is a porcentage of stuff you simply won't be able to even use because it's incompatible, in my case i noticed a bunch of games won't work, and also some issues appear I'm almost 100% sure it's caused my the procesor and the emulation layer. So I use a software to stream games, calles envidia geforce now for those that don't work. In other areas that could be a LITTLE better, the touch experience, while it's not horrible, i'ts pretty clear it's really not the OS for touch controls, I don't like how the pen "wiggles", either making it feel cheap even if by the price of one you could have bought a decent screenless drawing tablet. Also for my expectations the battery life isn't that special. I mean it doesn't give me the feeling that it's bad simply not super special, basically I feel I still need to keep my charger with me all times as I usualy do with my laptops, maybe I'm just more of a heavy duty user. Also the charging speed is meh, It could have come with a higher wattage charger from factory being like 36w and I think you can use a usb c of up to 100 w I believe. The rest is pretty good, I feel like I got almost no limitations compared to other windows pc, It gets the job done and it's pretty portable I got it mostly to avoid carrying a drawing tablet since I use the pen a lot in college for digital Illustration and It gives a good experience, only you feel the screen a bit warm while you're working. I do believe these things could maybe be polished with the new surface pro generations, who knows they manage to make an emulation that can run eveything, and that would change the surface pro history forever.
A very good, enjoyable and useful video review. I'm considering buying a Surface Pro for work. I'm using a Dell laptop now but want something lighter to carry with a better battery life. Thanks! JWL - New York
I have both and prefer the Surface Pro 11. In fact, I got the IPad Pro first, and I now only use it to play games that I had already downloaded and progressed in on it. I agree with at least some of your points/comparison conclusions! The Surface Pro is quirky, doesn't work with my printer, does have some lag with any stylus, the keyboard sucks compared to the iPad Pro case keyboard and the Alcantara material looks great until it starts to get dirty...which is quickly and uncleanably, to invent a word. Aside from that? It's better than the iPad, to me--mainly because it's really a laptop first.
I believe they're both competing the exact same space, people saying the iPad is not a "computer" (it is) and the surface is not a tablet (it literally is) . Is just to excuse the short comings in both. And now that the surface runs on Arm, more than ever they're extremely close, you could say their main difference is just the OS that runs on them
I have never, ever had a problem with a Surface Pro on my lap, and I go back to the Surface Pro 2, then 4, the 5, a brief jaunt to an M1 iPad Pro, then back to the SP9 SQ3 and now the SP11 SDX Elite. If I have a lot of peripherals hanging on it, I always keep my SPs in a form-fitting, padded, "armoured" case, when not using them, and if the weight could hurt my legs, I put the case over my knees and put the SP on top of that. Or I use a table or desk. It's not an evil techno-torture device.
I bought the new Ipad PRO 13 inch. Its great for consuming contents , reading emails and browsing . It so good that I am planning to get my iphone repalced with the upcoming Mini/ SE model.
Same story here, after getting the iPad, I no longer consume content on my iPhone (except Music, Podcast, and some browsing), so I was thinking about getting the iPhone 13 mini, but I think I’m gonna wait to see if they’re gonna release a small iPhone this year (which I doubt), if not, I’m getting the 13 mini.
15 min of comparing laptop to big iphone😁 4:02 Me in ikea then nobody is looking P.S Next time please cover some casual gaming in comparing like dota, cs, or steam indie games
Windows is not capable to play.. because it's better 😂 (it has outdated SD8G2 GPU.. and also can't translatw anything what required anti-cheat for example, so basically tons of games won't run, btw for the same reason even Adobe prodicts won't run on it, because they use something similar like anti cheat just for their products, and the x86 to ARM transition layer can't handle that)
I have an iPad Air 11 after my Galaxy Tab S6 died and my Surface Go is way too slow. My iPad is my go to device, so much is web based now and the app situation is much better. I went for the 11 inch for portability. The iPads are also a lot lighter. It’s a companion device and not my primary which is what I wanted.
Why do you not use the Logitech combo touch anymore? Thought you were raving about it in the last video. Quite surprise to see that you turn back to using the Magic Keyboard
What Windows device makers fail to understand is that a good anti reflective display help improve battery life since you don't need to crank up brightness to compensate for the glare
I'm pretty happy with my Surface Pro 11. I understand the "iPad is a better tablet" arguments to some extent, but also... I use my Surface as a tablet now and then. I browse the web, send emails, watch Netflix, and question why I paid $100 for a stylus I never use. 😆
Indeed, as long as there are MacBook available, Apple will not run MacOS on the iPad unfortunately (Which could run it since it uses the same chips as the MacBooks)
Thank you for the review! I own a SP9 Pro and an iPad Pro M2, and I'm facing the same dilemma. For serious work, I opt for the Surface, but for outdoor note-taking, the iPad with Cellular is my go-to. The issue arises when unexpected work comes up; I can't complete my tasks on the iPad (Because after all its just a Tablet with a bad Tablet OS - You can work as a Developer of some sort or edit videos but cant get Job Specific Programs to run for some small adjustments on the Project. Thus, I often find myself carrying both devices or just the Surface. I'm considering replacing both with the Surface Pro 11 when it releases with 5G. It seems capable of handling both tasks. It's not the ideal laptop for lap use but works perfectly on a desk. As a tablet, it's not the best due to the Windows experience, but with the Surface Pen, it's quite satisfactory for specific uses.
The IPad suits my workflow and I find it a lot more fun to use. BTW how does Surface handle photo and video editing? And both devices still cannot game as well as the handheld consoles despite their powerful chips.
I was really wondering which one since i was at first looking for a tablet. Main reason why i was looking at the Surface was by pure Window and how i guess it can be used as a laptop. But then i just went with the Ipad Air M2 just because im like "wait i have my gaming laptop already.." 😂
If was MacOS on the ipad, was almost a perfect device. But like that is just a toy! For regular content like music, photos, videos, watching movies, browsing the Internet, I can get an android tablet for less than half the price of the iPad.
The only reason to buy an iPad is for the drawing experience. I hate the OS and Apple products in general but it's still the go to tablet if you are into art and drawing. I want to get a Surface Pro but my 7-year-old iPad pro with the original pencil is a superior drawing device.
Love my surface pro 10 (for business)! iPad, while beautiful, doesn't cut it for me functionality-wise. And I'm an Apple guy! (MacBook Pro 16" M3 Pro, iPhone 16PM, Apple Watch 8, AirPods Pro 2.)
It was interesting watch you use the iPad in attempted desktop type mode on a monitor. Desktop mode appears more usable on phones (Motorola, Samsung etc). Apple certainly can improve the mobile OS systems. Curious if you can connect then iPad to local network environments and work that way
I have both and love them (well an m1 iPad Pro and a surface 11 pro base model). If I could only have one it would be hands down the surface pro as I can do my work on it. Simple. iPad can’t even give me desktop Microsoft excel. iPad still plays a crucial role in my workflow and hobbies though. Mainly photo editing, learning (languages) and obviously consuming content.
Good clip as always, bro.👍 It’s nice to know the detailed comparison between the two devices mentioned.✌ Unfortunately, even though some aspects of the Surface are better than the iPad Pro M4, it still couldn't sway me since I’ve been an Apple ecosystem user for almost two decades.🙃 And to be honest, I still think the iPad Pro looks much better at first glance😉
Can new surface open office products like powerpoint like other intel laptops? With no lag And for editing 4k videos can it do that or is weak? Is it worth 32gb ram model? What about ipad for 4k long video editing? 16 gb ram will be needed or 8 can do that with no lag?
Really enjoying your videos man! Great editing and everything, very pleasing to watch! 🎉 Regarding the devices, I think overall the Surface is better, but still there are problems because of the lack of compatibility with the Snapdragon. Hope this gets better. I have the M1 Pro 12.9 and I really enjoy it, but I cannot use it as a Mac replacement (not that I want, I just wish the OS were more capable), it’s very limited. And I don’t plan on upgrading it due to Apple prices for storage and memory. Not while the iPadOS is like it is at least 😂 Subscribed because, why not?
When iPad starts running all MacOS software, it can be considered a 2-in-1. Until then, I just see a comparison between an enlarged iPhone, and a real 2-in-1.... It is good to have a larger screen than the iPhone when watching videos, but that is all the difference the iPad gives compared to iPhone.
This really all comes down to one thing... Are you stuck in the Apple ecosystem or not? If not, but the Surface Pro. It's a true laptop replacement. Whereas the iPad is an oversized iPhone IMO. P.S. I actually own both, but need to sell my iPad now since I don't use it much anymore.
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Don't take it for granted.. We click we watch and we move on but your videos are different man. I hope people can appreciate how much heart and soul you put into it❤Too many big youtubers are going for shortcuts and bro u shine
Such I lovely compliment. I appreciate that you see the work that we put in 🙏
This is probably the best tech review I have ever seen!!! This is unlike any other review where UA-camrs would just layout the tech on a table and talk about each tech while facing the camera and occasionally showing video clips of the tech. This video review is a work of art. Please keep it coming and similar to this. Such a joy to watch.
Best comparison between these two devices that I've seen. No fanboy nonsense, just an honest review of two similar yet different devices. Thank you my friend for the excellent information!
Agreed!
I have tried using my iPad Pro 13 for the longest time now. It get my productivity works done, but not without A LOT of struggles. The "fatal attraction" of a surface pro is pulling me back... very strongly and I have been resisting it as the iPad Pro 13 doesn't come cheap and I had wanted to give it another go. Likely I will surrender to the surface pro.
Update: I actually went with Asus Zenbook S16, but didn't give up totally on the iPad Pro.
I understand you when you say - struggles.
Indeed, the Surface Pro 11 is actually the best 2 in 1, and it will be even more so when most apps will be updated and made compatible with Windows for ARM.
Indeed
So “when” is that going to happen? Microsoft released the Surface X on ARM in 2019. So when, is a great question when people need devices NOW.
@@trentgilliam5192 It's happening already. VPN apps have started releasing for ARM as an example.
@@trentgilliam5192you really can't say the difference between now and then. The hardware wasn't good enough to move the needle that's changed.
@@trentgilliam5192 I would say SOON. Or much sooner than we expected. Microsoft with their SQ chips failed miserably to excite developers to optimize their apps for Windows on ARM. Qualcomm on the other hand has shown what ARM should be capable of doing in their first shot. They could also easily port EVERY android app if Microsoft let them to.
Any iPad, no matter how powerful they are, will never be a laptop replacement because Apple still needs to sell MacBooks. Great video, btw!
Thank you
Half true. The mission statement for the iPad is to be the "third device" that 1) does things the laptop and phone can't do, 2) a third of things that phones and laptops can do, it does them way better. By focusing on optimization on these things it ensures it won't be "clunky" at them. So what we're seeing in where these devices excel and fall short is a direct result of their different mission statements.
For someone wanting a Laptop-Tablet-Phone experience on only two devices, the Surface is the winner. That's literally its mission, to help you do all three with only two. You get a "passable" laptop experience coming in at 90% what the best dedicated laptop can do, and a "passable" tablet that's a bit clunky at what tablets do best. Over time, having this -10% abrasive experience of not being the best I can be, made me abandon the Surface and go for a Mac+iPad+iPhone trio.
On the Macbook+iPad+iPhone experience, you simply get a best-in-class laptop computing experience, a best-in-class tablet experience, and a kind of "automagic" integration between all three where you can just put down one and go to the other or use all three together as a single "mega-device": the iPhone giving studio quality video for webcam while the tablet is effortlessly becoming second screen for the laptop or vice versa. Copy pasting between them all as if they were one device. That's the tip of the iceberg of a list that has about 100 more things I could go on and on about..
It's more money invested up front but the luxurious optimized efficiency seems worth it. The higher resale value, better longevity, better productivity, and greater sanity at being able to "work at the speed of thought" is starting to make me feel that the total cost of ownership is even equal or less, than juggling around and replacing Windows and Android devices more often.
I'm very pleased that Samsung, Microsoft, and Apple are in a stiff competition now though. It's good for anyone who uses these devices.
Why do people want tablets to be laptops. Just buy a laptop.
@@kingech_B15 Amen. Steve Jobs had the vision on all three types of devices, as evidenced by all three form-factors being massively copying Apple.
@@kingech_B15 If not, then why buy tablets at all? Phone + Laptop is the only things needed, right? A lot of us prefer to be able to pull out a larger screen on-the-go, do some stuff, put it away. If we need a table, open the laptop, sit down, just to work then it is of less use. Work becomes a hazzle. Tablet is the better design for us, but then it must be able to do PC work, not phone work. Hence why iPad will never be a 2-in-1, its just a larger iPhone
Excellent and balanced video. I totally agree with your assessment. I've had a M1 12.9-inch 2TB model with magic keyboard and pencil for coming up to 3yrs and at the time I purchased it as an Intel MacBook Pro replacement which it completely failed to do due to iPad OS limitations. M series iPad Pro are technically excellent, but despite iPad OS improvements, the operating system still cripples them to live in a walled garden ecosystem of mostly mediocre smart phone style apps. I object to paying such a high price for computer tablet where Apple dictate what apps I can or cannot run through their app store policies. And consequently, I will never by another iPad Pro, because my sixth gen iPad Mini is just as competent as a media consumption and casual gaming tablet, but more portable. Why, because iPad OS wastes the incredible performance potential of the iPad Pro. I now have a Windows 11 tablet PC and love it. It's replaced both my iPad Pro and M2 MacBook Pro, because the iPad Pro does not have a desktop class operating system and the MacBook Pro's UI feels prehistoric with its lack of touch display and intrinsic stylus support which I really appreciate in my later stages of my life.
14:32 this is the exact reason why I move to surface. IPad makes me mad every single time I bring it outside to work and then I realize it can't do simple task without a computer.
I hear you!
I actually just replaced my surface with an iPad Pro. I definitely see why you seemed to prefer the Surface over the iPad, and I can’t fault any of the reasons it was better for you. I wanted a more “secondary” device, that I could also use to do some serious stuff if needed. I knew what I was getting myself into, and didn’t have any illusions about the limitations, so I’ve been extremely happy. The windows experience was just too clunky, quirky, buggy, and unstable for me. YMMV of course.
I went for surface pro 11, as appealing as the iPad was. I hope there will be some Linux touch distro in the future. By the way, nice videos and highly curated esthetics and taste
Why don't you just use Linux instead? Is the CPU not compatible with it?
I think the cpu is compatible, but AFAIK the touchscreen isn't supported. Regards
I have both products, but I use them for different purposes. I use the Surface for all general tasks, while I use the iPad solely for consuming content. I hope that one day the iPad will be able to run both macOS and iPadOS programs. I enjoyed watching the video. Thank you.
They can make it like Dex but you know it will never happen. iPads already are as expensive as macbooks (the Pro of course) and all it has is instagram value. to take a picture on IG with it. Running mac programs will kill the macbook which will never happen.
Much appreciated!
We will see less need for Mac in iPads if developers begin to develop for both Mac and iPad.
I wonder if we don’t see both apps being developed at same time because large companies refuse to develop with Swift.
atlesst ipad os should have full fledged desktop class browser so that we can use/surf govt websites on ipad or. use web versions of app that sucks on ipad. Web Browser and Files App needs a lot of improvements. and multi stream audio playback also background activity (downloading/uploading)
you spent that much money on an ipad just to consume content?
is the surface good for note taking? is the pen usage good?
I am a full Apple ecosystem person. However, I would never buy an iPad which is still a very expensive "gadget". On the other hand, you can get done every Windows related task on the Surface Pro which is ideal. It can simply be your one and only PC, tablet, laptop at home. Ms Office, Outlook, Teams, full file management, Vs Code, anything that runs on Windows ARM... Games, to me, is really not a point of comparison, that is niche and also relative in time. The very same game can suddenly get an update and stop playing well on your device (Ex: COD Warzone)
This comparison review is one of the best! Other reviews aren't doing it like this. You deserve more subs!
Thank you very much!
Wierd. Im pretty sure theres a Netflix, Hulu, etc etc app for Windows devices. Why did you knock the Surface for not having something it actually does have?
He said that the browser experience is better, but I guess he could have been more clear. Honestly if a browser page is better than a native app,, it's a bit of a shame. Not the device's fault though, but rather the maker of the app.
Is the surface pro a good device for studying? I want to study soon and need something with powerpoint and word. I want a 2 in 1 as well. So should I buy it or search for another option? Btw perfect video
I like how the Surface has its own stand, while the iPad has to be placed on a stand.
Oh boy has your channel improved, you always had great editing and filming, but now you seem to comprehend a lot what customers may look for. Keep on the hard work. A long time subscriber here.
That means a lot! Thank you very much!
if you are not into gaming and want something that actually gets a job done go for surface pro. I bought the iPAD, tried to use it with a monitor and tried to actually work on it and it sucked, but it's been pretty good for entertainment and reading. So If you already have a proper windows/macOs machine to work, I guess buy the iPad for the extra if you got the cash
Is speed good on surface? It was quite bad on previous snapdragon surface tablet
It's good but drops dramatically compared to m4. His review is more biased against apple, the software is the only thing limiting apple
Helo.. What is the bag that you carry on the last part of video..
ARM native apps are arriving daily - Microsoft and Nord VPNs are available now. ( Written on a Surface pro 11)
I considered both.
I ended up purchasing a Minisforum v3. While it is heavier, it came with the keyboard and pen, it's got 32GB ram, and a 1TB SSD. The only downside is the battery, which gets about 5-6 hours for kind of regular usage. It's gaming ability is significantly beyond either the M4 iPad Pro or Surface Pro 11 (but an even bigger battery drain). Plus, you can always use it as a monitor for another device.
All that for 999$ USD? It's just a better value. More speed, more space, more power. And for me, my preference is always matte over glossy screen, so I loved that. The only real downside I feel is the battery and that the additional weight. It's 2lb compared to the iPad Pro (m4)'s 1.25lb. It's easily noticeable. But if you're taking it somewhere for work or play, you're likely putting it on a flat surface, so, whatever. Likewise, at home, I just plug it into a dock and it does dual monitors, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc, all by plugging in one wire.
The moment they can get all that into a 1.25lb or less package is the moment the current gen of tablets becomes almost obselete by comparison unless you're purely looking for a consumption device on a tablet.
I will definitely check it out.
@@ThisIsE you should! It’s an amazing device, especially for the company’s first foray into the tablet space.
I’m still trying to find a good case for the Pro 11, it’s so recursive and to have no protection is nuts
I landed on the 11” iPad for on the go, with a seperate larger laptop for more dedicated situations.
This is such a well made video I forgot about the devices themselves.
Thank you very much 😊
Is there my difference between the iPad Pro m4 and 2020 iPad Pro a12z?
There's a huge difference in perfomance and display technology.
Great video - subscribed! Question since I saw the photography stuff - how is Lightroom / Photoshop on the Surface Pro? It was pretty much unusable on my old Surface Pro 5 I think. I have an 11" M1 iPad Pro which fits nicely in my camera bag. The mobile app works fine, but doesn't stitch panos or 360s, and I'm thinking about getting a new Surface for that reason...
What’s that Ipad Pro Protection Frame or case you are using 13inch ipad pro. Please let me know
Una domanda: consigli di installare subito iOS 18?
I guess you have the Surface Pro 11 X plus right? Or do you have the X plus elite?
08:34 - The iPhone layout is killer. Fan of your work.
Thank you so much.
This is by far the best analysis and comparison I have seen between the two devices. I have tested the latest Surface Pro, IPad Pro, Surface Laptop, and MacBook Air & MacBook Pro devices. They all bring something unique to the table. My goal was to find a single device that could simplify my personal and productivity needs. While I believe the iPad Pro boasts the most innovative hardware package, it absolutely falls short in overall productivity, especially when using the complete Office 365 Suite as I do on a daily basis. If it weren’t for that IPad Pro would be my daily driver, but that experience is critical enough for my work that I also give the Surface Pro the nod. Outstanding analysis E.
Great video!! E!! Quick question I been seeing you use a tech ring but I seen most of them being used in index but you have in ring finger? Which are you wearing? Thank you!
It's the Ultrahuman ring. Truth be told, I can't stand wearing it on my index.
great stuff.
What program do you use to edit your videos?
First time watching your video and WOW the quality is so high and i like your vibe ❤ am subbing
The answer is very simple, as long as it does 100% of what you need when you are travelling, that’s the device. Because at home or when we station, we almost always have workarounds but once we travel, we try to be light, that’s where the true device shines.
I used to have SP8, it was my ONLY device for over 2 years. I play games and work when I am home by connecting to my eGPU and I watch movies, work, and check stock when I travelled. Now I use an OneXPlayer X1. Same except that now I could also play games on the go. This is for me.
But everybody is different but that’s why I said at the beginning, as long as it does 100% of what you do when you travel, that’s the device.
Agree with your assessment. IPad Pro is limited by software. What is the brand of iPad Pro Magic keyboard skin on your M4 iPad? Thanks
It’s by dbrand
Watching this while at the same time, I just bought the Amazon-exclusive Surface Pro with OLED X-Elite chip for $999.. It’s too good of a deal and your video also helped :)
As somebody that love's apple and has drank the coolaid, the iPad will never have a desktop environment where you can put files and whatnot with a more "normal" window manager. It would cannibalize the Macbook Air and apple doesn't want that. imo the iPad will stay in this weird place between a 2in1 a tablet, leaning more towards the tablet. Opposite goes for the Macbook's, I don't see them ever getting touchscreens. If they did people would stop buying iPad Pro's.
With the rise of touch-first generation of devices and users I don’t see any cannibalism threat if Apple introduces much needed necessities.
@@ThisIsE I agree. My family has been all Mac since 2005. My kids, 21, 14 and 8 only know touch devices. They are iPad only by choice. Even their school uses iPads. Normal for them is how the iPad file system functions. When they use a MBP, they don’t like the workflow. In my opinion, workflow preferences are just developed habits. I don’t see any cannibalism threats at this point.
What are you talking about? Apple cannibalized its products before, maybe you’re too young to know what happened with iPods when iPhone was introduced. Do your research before writing nonsense publicly 😂
@thatroykid that’s not the main reason it’s the App Store commission. Watch the Verge’s video. Apple could’ve created an all new overpriced tablet segment with macos but they won’t do it
@@trentgilliam5192the future is iPad. The new generatiom like kids to new college students now prefer iPads. There is AI now and apps like Canva, CapCut, and so on, are better than macbook apps due to AI etc and has Netflix...they can focus on substance of content rather than sophistication of editting. Many new generation of content creators or vloggers with high views and millions of subscribers only use iPads and many vloggers with few views and few subscribers uses mac or windows with high end softwares that has high learning curve and complexity.
Regarding battery life, I wonder if you have background refresh on ? It’s a battery killer.
Very nice deep presentation brother 👍
I was hoping you'd make this comparative review. So glad you did!
Glad it was helpful!
incredible piece of art as always!
Thank you so much 😀
E, your videos are super clean. great comparison.
I appreciate that!
Ipad isnt a 2 in 1 its just a tablet
9:30 WRONG. thunderbolt is created by intel with apple so since the surface is a qualcomm sourced chip, it's not tb4. while the usb-c is similar to tb4, it's not actually a tb4 since it's not an intel chip.
Can someone name the widgets he has on the ipad?
Which one?
I got a surface pro 11, and I'm happy overall. Recently I made the cinematics of a game, and rendered in both Maya and Blender. An Ipad could have never done that. The only weakness.... ARM. The only thing keeping it a step back from a "real" computer is the compatibility with software, since it needs to have a native build for ARM to get the max out of the device, and the great majority of software doesn't. There are a few, I was able to spot Davinci Resolve (a video editing program) with a native build and works BEAUTIFUL, it's such a smooth and pleasing experience.
Most can be emulated, wish supposedly uses more resources of the device and does a decent job, you'll probably be able to use most stuff. But not all. There is a porcentage of stuff you simply won't be able to even use because it's incompatible, in my case i noticed a bunch of games won't work, and also some issues appear I'm almost 100% sure it's caused my the procesor and the emulation layer. So I use a software to stream games, calles envidia geforce now for those that don't work.
In other areas that could be a LITTLE better, the touch experience, while it's not horrible, i'ts pretty clear it's really not the OS for touch controls, I don't like how the pen "wiggles", either making it feel cheap even if by the price of one you could have bought a decent screenless drawing tablet. Also for my expectations the battery life isn't that special. I mean it doesn't give me the feeling that it's bad simply not super special, basically I feel I still need to keep my charger with me all times as I usualy do with my laptops, maybe I'm just more of a heavy duty user. Also the charging speed is meh, It could have come with a higher wattage charger from factory being like 36w and I think you can use a usb c of up to 100 w I believe. The rest is pretty good, I feel like I got almost no limitations compared to other windows pc, It gets the job done and it's pretty portable I got it mostly to avoid carrying a drawing tablet since I use the pen a lot in college for digital Illustration and It gives a good experience, only you feel the screen a bit warm while you're working. I do believe these things could maybe be polished with the new surface pro generations, who knows they manage to make an emulation that can run eveything, and that would change the surface pro history forever.
Where do u get your ipad cases from?
Various places. Locally, Amazon, some are being sent as well.
@@ThisIsE thanks... ur videos are very interesting...
The quality of this video is wonderful. from the lighting to the editing. I love it!
A very good, enjoyable and useful video review. I'm considering buying a Surface Pro for work. I'm using a Dell laptop now but want something lighter to carry with a better battery life. Thanks! JWL - New York
Wow! such a good and clear comparison, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
That was a high quality video! I really enjoyed watching it, thank you very much for your work!
I have both and prefer the Surface Pro 11. In fact, I got the IPad Pro first, and I now only use it to play games that I had already downloaded and progressed in on it. I agree with at least some of your points/comparison conclusions! The Surface Pro is quirky, doesn't work with my printer, does have some lag with any stylus, the keyboard sucks compared to the iPad Pro case keyboard and the Alcantara material looks great until it starts to get dirty...which is quickly and uncleanably, to invent a word. Aside from that? It's better than the iPad, to me--mainly because it's really a laptop first.
bro don’t do videos he’s doing a documentary almost same content but what a delivery man hats off
and man that cameraman is on another level
Thank you very much 😊
this video was an absolute treat 🥂 cheers man
I'm super happy to hear that
I believe they're both competing the exact same space, people saying the iPad is not a "computer" (it is) and the surface is not a tablet (it literally is) . Is just to excuse the short comings in both.
And now that the surface runs on Arm, more than ever they're extremely close, you could say their main difference is just the OS that runs on them
Another quality video. loved it!! it's an asmr experience to listen to you talk. God bless!!
Thank you so much 🤗
@@ThisIsE can you give the link for the iPhone case you are using? 😇
Love the video!!! Would love to see one on the surface pro and z fold integration. I've purchased both off your recommendations.
I have never, ever had a problem with a Surface Pro on my lap, and I go back to the Surface Pro 2, then 4, the 5, a brief jaunt to an M1 iPad Pro, then back to the SP9 SQ3 and now the SP11 SDX Elite. If I have a lot of peripherals hanging on it, I always keep my SPs in a form-fitting, padded, "armoured" case, when not using them, and if the weight could hurt my legs, I put the case over my knees and put the SP on top of that. Or I use a table or desk. It's not an evil techno-torture device.
I bought the new Ipad PRO 13 inch. Its great for consuming contents , reading emails and browsing . It so good that I am planning to get my iphone repalced with the upcoming Mini/ SE model.
Why are you so sure there will be a mini?
There is a rumours that there would be Iphone Air (same screen size as regular Iphone, but more thin and cheaper)
Same story here, after getting the iPad, I no longer consume content on my iPhone (except Music, Podcast, and some browsing), so I was thinking about getting the iPhone 13 mini, but I think I’m gonna wait to see if they’re gonna release a small iPhone this year (which I doubt), if not, I’m getting the 13 mini.
15 min of comparing laptop to big iphone😁
4:02 Me in ikea then nobody is looking
P.S Next time please cover some casual gaming in comparing like dota, cs, or steam indie games
Windows is not capable to play.. because it's better 😂 (it has outdated SD8G2 GPU.. and also can't translatw anything what required anti-cheat for example, so basically tons of games won't run, btw for the same reason even Adobe prodicts won't run on it, because they use something similar like anti cheat just for their products, and the x86 to ARM transition layer can't handle that)
Surface is not a laptop. You cannot use it on your lap. Being “portable” means it suffers from extreme thermal issues for any heavy tasks.
I have an iPad Air 11 after my Galaxy Tab S6 died and my Surface Go is way too slow. My iPad is my go to device, so much is web based now and the app situation is much better. I went for the 11 inch for portability. The iPads are also a lot lighter. It’s a companion device and not my primary which is what I wanted.
Why do you not use the Logitech combo touch anymore? Thought you were raving about it in the last video. Quite surprise to see that you turn back to using the Magic Keyboard
I use it, too. The purpose of this video required me to use the Magic Keyboard for proper comparison
5:51 not true. On my surface, I downloaded APPs for streaming. Works just like on a phone.
What Windows device makers fail to understand is that a good anti reflective display help improve battery life since you don't need to crank up brightness to compensate for the glare
That's a valid point!
Great video, man. Really enjoyed it.
Absolute pleasure.
Surface it is then.
I'm pretty happy with my Surface Pro 11. I understand the "iPad is a better tablet" arguments to some extent, but also... I use my Surface as a tablet now and then. I browse the web, send emails, watch Netflix, and question why I paid $100 for a stylus I never use. 😆
Great review/comparison 👍 thx
Glad it was helpful!
Indeed, as long as there are MacBook available, Apple will not run MacOS on the iPad unfortunately (Which could run it since it uses the same chips as the MacBooks)
Thank you for the review! I own a SP9 Pro and an iPad Pro M2, and I'm facing the same dilemma.
For serious work, I opt for the Surface, but for outdoor note-taking, the iPad with Cellular is my go-to. The issue arises when unexpected work comes up; I can't complete my tasks on the iPad (Because after all its just a Tablet with a bad Tablet OS - You can work as a Developer of some sort or edit videos but cant get Job Specific Programs to run for some small adjustments on the Project.
Thus, I often find myself carrying both devices or just the Surface.
I'm considering replacing both with the Surface Pro 11 when it releases with 5G. It seems capable of handling both tasks.
It's not the ideal laptop for lap use but works perfectly on a desk.
As a tablet, it's not the best due to the Windows experience, but with the Surface Pen, it's quite satisfactory for specific uses.
Where or how did you get the surface pro $200 off? I’m on a budget and I’ve been leaning more towards the surface pro 11
The product can be found on Microsoft's official Surface store.
Right now it says it’s the full amount on their website?
Could you share the link please?
Also Netflix, Disney Plus, Amazon Prime are native and run well.
The IPad suits my workflow and I find it a lot more fun to use. BTW how does Surface handle photo and video editing? And both devices still cannot game as well as the handheld consoles despite their powerful chips.
The Surface handles plenty like a champ
I was really wondering which one since i was at first looking for a tablet. Main reason why i was looking at the Surface was by pure Window and how i guess it can be used as a laptop. But then i just went with the Ipad Air M2 just because im like "wait i have my gaming laptop already.." 😂
If was MacOS on the ipad, was almost a perfect device. But like that is just a toy!
For regular content like music, photos, videos, watching movies, browsing the Internet, I can get an android tablet for less than half the price of the iPad.
True that
The only reason to buy an iPad is for the drawing experience. I hate the OS and Apple products in general but it's still the go to tablet if you are into art and drawing. I want to get a Surface Pro but my 7-year-old iPad pro with the original pencil is a superior drawing device.
great review.
Love my surface pro 10 (for business)! iPad, while beautiful, doesn't cut it for me functionality-wise. And I'm an Apple guy! (MacBook Pro 16" M3 Pro, iPhone 16PM, Apple Watch 8, AirPods Pro 2.)
Can't wait to watch the review of what on your wrist
Thanks. Stay tuned
I'm able to install VPN services on my Surface, I'm confused what you meant?
It wasn't possible at the time of the recording
Absolute quality video.
Thank you very much!
Your videos are always a huge masterpiece! I look forward to seeing more :))
Thank you so much!
This is one of a few times I'd take a Windows product over an Apple product.
I hear you!
It was interesting watch you use the iPad in attempted desktop type mode on a monitor. Desktop mode appears more usable on phones (Motorola, Samsung etc). Apple certainly can improve the mobile OS systems.
Curious if you can connect then iPad to local network environments and work that way
"Surface pro is not a tablet" Exactly. It does a lot more than an iPad in the similar form factor and price point
I have both and love them (well an m1 iPad Pro and a surface 11 pro base model). If I could only have one it would be hands down the surface pro as I can do my work on it. Simple. iPad can’t even give me desktop Microsoft excel.
iPad still plays a crucial role in my workflow and hobbies though. Mainly photo editing, learning (languages) and obviously consuming content.
Apple needs to make the iPad Pros run a proper desktop OS for it to be worth it.
wow awesome review you should have at least 10 m subs
Wow, thanks!
Good clip as always, bro.👍 It’s nice to know the detailed comparison between the two devices mentioned.✌ Unfortunately, even though some aspects of the Surface are better than the iPad Pro M4, it still couldn't sway me since I’ve been an Apple ecosystem user for almost two decades.🙃 And to be honest, I still think the iPad Pro looks much better at first glance😉
Great video ❤
There's a catch in this dilemma : one item has Winbeurk 11. I'd probably buy a surface pro with IOS or MacOS.
Can new surface open office products like powerpoint like other intel laptops? With no lag
And for editing 4k videos can it do that or is weak? Is it worth 32gb ram model?
What about ipad for 4k long video editing? 16 gb ram will be needed or 8 can do that with no lag?
Nor ipad or Surface Pro should be used for pro video editing. They can, but they are not designed for that.
Really enjoying your videos man! Great editing and everything, very pleasing to watch! 🎉 Regarding the devices, I think overall the Surface is better, but still there are problems because of the lack of compatibility with the Snapdragon. Hope this gets better. I have the M1 Pro 12.9 and I really enjoy it, but I cannot use it as a Mac replacement (not that I want, I just wish the OS were more capable), it’s very limited. And I don’t plan on upgrading it due to Apple prices for storage and memory. Not while the iPadOS is like it is at least 😂
Subscribed because, why not?
Well resumed..thanks
Honor magicbook art 14 👌 1 kg, 14,6", 1 cm.
I am testing the ZenBook S14 which is just about that thin and light
Im waiting for the 32gb ram LTE version, should be out soon 16gb ram LTE already available in AU
When iPad starts running all MacOS software, it can be considered a 2-in-1. Until then, I just see a comparison between an enlarged iPhone, and a real 2-in-1....
It is good to have a larger screen than the iPhone when watching videos, but that is all the difference the iPad gives compared to iPhone.
Several VPNs have released ARM64 apps now, and OpenVPN worked great before that as well.
This really all comes down to one thing... Are you stuck in the Apple ecosystem or not? If not, but the Surface Pro. It's a true laptop replacement. Whereas the iPad is an oversized iPhone IMO. P.S. I actually own both, but need to sell my iPad now since I don't use it much anymore.