Don't take it for granted.. We click we watch and we move on but your videos are different man. I hope people can appreciate how much heart and soul you put into it❤Too many big youtubers are going for shortcuts and bro u shine
I have tried using my iPad Pro 13 for the longest time now. It get my productivity works done, but not without A LOT of struggles. The "fatal attraction" of a surface pro is pulling me back... very strongly and I have been resisting it as the iPad Pro 13 doesn't come cheap and I had wanted to give it another go. Likely I will surrender to the surface pro.
Indeed, the Surface Pro 11 is actually the best 2 in 1, and it will be even more so when most apps will be updated and made compatible with Windows for ARM.
I went for surface pro 11, as appealing as the iPad was. I hope there will be some Linux touch distro in the future. By the way, nice videos and highly curated esthetics and taste
Excellent and balanced video. I totally agree with your assessment. I've had a M1 12.9-inch 2TB model with magic keyboard and pencil for coming up to 3yrs and at the time I purchased it as an Intel MacBook Pro replacement which it completely failed to do due to iPad OS limitations. M series iPad Pro are technically excellent, but despite iPad OS improvements, the operating system still cripples them to live in a walled garden ecosystem of mostly mediocre smart phone style apps. I object to paying such a high price for computer tablet where Apple dictate what apps I can or cannot run through their app store policies. And consequently, I will never by another iPad Pro, because my sixth gen iPad Mini is just as competent as a media consumption and casual gaming tablet, but more portable. Why, because iPad OS wastes the incredible performance potential of the iPad Pro. I now have a Windows 11 tablet PC and love it. It's replaced both my iPad Pro and M2 MacBook Pro, because the iPad Pro does not have a desktop class operating system and the MacBook Pro's UI feels prehistoric with its lack of touch display and intrinsic stylus support which I really appreciate in my later stages of my life.
Half true. The mission statement for the iPad is to be the "third device" that 1) does things the laptop and phone can't do, 2) a third of things that phones and laptops can do, it does them way better. By focusing on optimization on these things it ensures it won't be "clunky" at them. So what we're seeing in where these devices excel and fall short is a direct result of their different mission statements. For someone wanting a Laptop-Tablet-Phone experience on only two devices, the Surface is the winner. That's literally its mission, to help you do all three with only two. You get a "passable" laptop experience coming in at 90% what the best dedicated laptop can do, and a "passable" tablet that's a bit clunky at what tablets do best. Over time, having this -10% abrasive experience of not being the best I can be, made me abandon the Surface and go for a Mac+iPad+iPhone trio. On the Macbook+iPad+iPhone experience, you simply get a best-in-class laptop computing experience, a best-in-class tablet experience, and a kind of "automagic" integration between all three where you can just put down one and go to the other or use all three together as a single "mega-device": the iPhone giving studio quality video for webcam while the tablet is effortlessly becoming second screen for the laptop or vice versa. Copy pasting between them all as if they were one device. That's the tip of the iceberg of a list that has about 100 more things I could go on and on about.. It's more money invested up front but the luxurious optimized efficiency seems worth it. The higher resale value, better longevity, better productivity, and greater sanity at being able to "work at the speed of thought" is starting to make me feel that the total cost of ownership is even equal or less, than juggling around and replacing Windows and Android devices more often. I'm very pleased that Samsung, Microsoft, and Apple are in a stiff competition now though. It's good for anyone who uses these devices.
I have both products, but I use them for different purposes. I use the Surface for all general tasks, while I use the iPad solely for consuming content. I hope that one day the iPad will be able to run both macOS and iPadOS programs. I enjoyed watching the video. Thank you.
They can make it like Dex but you know it will never happen. iPads already are as expensive as macbooks (the Pro of course) and all it has is instagram value. to take a picture on IG with it. Running mac programs will kill the macbook which will never happen.
We will see less need for Mac in iPads if developers begin to develop for both Mac and iPad. I wonder if we don’t see both apps being developed at same time because large companies refuse to develop with Swift.
atlesst ipad os should have full fledged desktop class browser so that we can use/surf govt websites on ipad or. use web versions of app that sucks on ipad. Web Browser and Files App needs a lot of improvements. and multi stream audio playback also background activity (downloading/uploading)
Oh boy has your channel improved, you always had great editing and filming, but now you seem to comprehend a lot what customers may look for. Keep on the hard work. A long time subscriber here.
I have never, ever had a problem with a Surface Pro on my lap, and I go back to the Surface Pro 2, then 4, the 5, a brief jaunt to an M1 iPad Pro, then back to the SP9 SQ3 and now the SP11 SDX Elite. If I have a lot of peripherals hanging on it, I always keep my SPs in a form-fitting, padded, "armoured" case, when not using them, and if the weight could hurt my legs, I put the case over my knees and put the SP on top of that. Or I use a table or desk. It's not an evil techno-torture device.
I considered both. I ended up purchasing a Minisforum v3. While it is heavier, it came with the keyboard and pen, it's got 32GB ram, and a 1TB SSD. The only downside is the battery, which gets about 5-6 hours for kind of regular usage. It's gaming ability is significantly beyond either the M4 iPad Pro or Surface Pro 11 (but an even bigger battery drain). Plus, you can always use it as a monitor for another device. All that for 999$ USD? It's just a better value. More speed, more space, more power. And for me, my preference is always matte over glossy screen, so I loved that. The only real downside I feel is the battery and that the additional weight. It's 2lb compared to the iPad Pro (m4)'s 1.25lb. It's easily noticeable. But if you're taking it somewhere for work or play, you're likely putting it on a flat surface, so, whatever. Likewise, at home, I just plug it into a dock and it does dual monitors, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc, all by plugging in one wire. The moment they can get all that into a 1.25lb or less package is the moment the current gen of tablets becomes almost obselete by comparison unless you're purely looking for a consumption device on a tablet.
I bought the new Ipad PRO 13 inch. Its great for consuming contents , reading emails and browsing . It so good that I am planning to get my iphone repalced with the upcoming Mini/ SE model.
Same story here, after getting the iPad, I no longer consume content on my iPhone (except Music, Podcast, and some browsing), so I was thinking about getting the iPhone 13 mini, but I think I’m gonna wait to see if they’re gonna release a small iPhone this year (which I doubt), if not, I’m getting the 13 mini.
This is by far the best analysis and comparison I have seen between the two devices. I have tested the latest Surface Pro, IPad Pro, Surface Laptop, and MacBook Air & MacBook Pro devices. They all bring something unique to the table. My goal was to find a single device that could simplify my personal and productivity needs. While I believe the iPad Pro boasts the most innovative hardware package, it absolutely falls short in overall productivity, especially when using the complete Office 365 Suite as I do on a daily basis. If it weren’t for that IPad Pro would be my daily driver, but that experience is critical enough for my work that I also give the Surface Pro the nod. Outstanding analysis E.
15 min of comparing laptop to big iphone😁 4:02 Me in ikea then nobody is looking P.S Next time please cover some casual gaming in comparing like dota, cs, or steam indie games
Windows is not capable to play.. because it's better 😂 (it has outdated SD8G2 GPU.. and also can't translatw anything what required anti-cheat for example, so basically tons of games won't run, btw for the same reason even Adobe prodicts won't run on it, because they use something similar like anti cheat just for their products, and the x86 to ARM transition layer can't handle that)
Wierd. Im pretty sure theres a Netflix, Hulu, etc etc app for Windows devices. Why did you knock the Surface for not having something it actually does have?
He said that the browser experience is better, but I guess he could have been more clear. Honestly if a browser page is better than a native app,, it's a bit of a shame. Not the device's fault though, but rather the maker of the app.
Great video!! E!! Quick question I been seeing you use a tech ring but I seen most of them being used in index but you have in ring finger? Which are you wearing? Thank you!
Really enjoying your videos man! Great editing and everything, very pleasing to watch! 🎉 Regarding the devices, I think overall the Surface is better, but still there are problems because of the lack of compatibility with the Snapdragon. Hope this gets better. I have the M1 Pro 12.9 and I really enjoy it, but I cannot use it as a Mac replacement (not that I want, I just wish the OS were more capable), it’s very limited. And I don’t plan on upgrading it due to Apple prices for storage and memory. Not while the iPadOS is like it is at least 😂 Subscribed because, why not?
I have both and love them (well an m1 iPad Pro and a surface 11 pro base model). If I could only have one it would be hands down the surface pro as I can do my work on it. Simple. iPad can’t even give me desktop Microsoft excel. iPad still plays a crucial role in my workflow and hobbies though. Mainly photo editing, learning (languages) and obviously consuming content.
Good clip as always, bro.👍 It’s nice to know the detailed comparison between the two devices mentioned.✌ Unfortunately, even though some aspects of the Surface are better than the iPad Pro M4, it still couldn't sway me since I’ve been an Apple ecosystem user for almost two decades.🙃 And to be honest, I still think the iPad Pro looks much better at first glance😉
Thank you for the review! I own a SP9 Pro and an iPad Pro M2, and I'm facing the same dilemma. For serious work, I opt for the Surface, but for outdoor note-taking, the iPad with Cellular is my go-to. The issue arises when unexpected work comes up; I can't complete my tasks on the iPad (Because after all its just a Tablet with a bad Tablet OS - You can work as a Developer of some sort or edit videos but cant get Job Specific Programs to run for some small adjustments on the Project. Thus, I often find myself carrying both devices or just the Surface. I'm considering replacing both with the Surface Pro 11 when it releases with 5G. It seems capable of handling both tasks. It's not the ideal laptop for lap use but works perfectly on a desk. As a tablet, it's not the best due to the Windows experience, but with the Surface Pen, it's quite satisfactory for specific uses.
It was interesting watch you use the iPad in attempted desktop type mode on a monitor. Desktop mode appears more usable on phones (Motorola, Samsung etc). Apple certainly can improve the mobile OS systems. Curious if you can connect then iPad to local network environments and work that way
14:32 this is the exact reason why I move to surface. IPad makes me mad every single time I bring it outside to work and then I realize it can't do simple task without a computer.
Why do you not use the Logitech combo touch anymore? Thought you were raving about it in the last video. Quite surprise to see that you turn back to using the Magic Keyboard
As somebody that love's apple and has drank the coolaid, the iPad will never have a desktop environment where you can put files and whatnot with a more "normal" window manager. It would cannibalize the Macbook Air and apple doesn't want that. imo the iPad will stay in this weird place between a 2in1 a tablet, leaning more towards the tablet. Opposite goes for the Macbook's, I don't see them ever getting touchscreens. If they did people would stop buying iPad Pro's.
@@ThisIsE I agree. My family has been all Mac since 2005. My kids, 21, 14 and 8 only know touch devices. They are iPad only by choice. Even their school uses iPads. Normal for them is how the iPad file system functions. When they use a MBP, they don’t like the workflow. In my opinion, workflow preferences are just developed habits. I don’t see any cannibalism threats at this point.
What are you talking about? Apple cannibalized its products before, maybe you’re too young to know what happened with iPods when iPhone was introduced. Do your research before writing nonsense publicly 😂
@thatroykid that’s not the main reason it’s the App Store commission. Watch the Verge’s video. Apple could’ve created an all new overpriced tablet segment with macos but they won’t do it
@@trentgilliam5192the future is iPad. The new generatiom like kids to new college students now prefer iPads. There is AI now and apps like Canva, CapCut, and so on, are better than macbook apps due to AI etc and has Netflix...they can focus on substance of content rather than sophistication of editting. Many new generation of content creators or vloggers with high views and millions of subscribers only use iPads and many vloggers with few views and few subscribers uses mac or windows with high end softwares that has high learning curve and complexity.
The IPad suits my workflow and I find it a lot more fun to use. BTW how does Surface handle photo and video editing? And both devices still cannot game as well as the handheld consoles despite their powerful chips.
For browsing - iPad. For anything work related - surface... can't believe I said it but yea... If your work is spamming mails, I guess you can do it from the iPad :D :D
What Windows device makers fail to understand is that a good anti reflective display help improve battery life since you don't need to crank up brightness to compensate for the glare
My surface pro is ok and all but god forbid I have A LOT of drawing to do in one note before shit starts freezing up. And as a med student, there is A LOT of drawing pathways. So tbh I might get an iPad
The iPad is a superior tablet for drawing. It's a shame because I hate the Apple OS and want a windows tablet for drawing, but the Surface Pro is not it. !0 years and MS hasn't been able to equal or exceed the Apple drawing experience. My 7-year old iPad pro with the original Apple pencil and Procreate is a superior drawing device than the new Surface.
Surface is a better computer that can be used as a tablet sometimes, iPad is a better tablet that can be used as a computer sometimes. For me neither of them can do my computer work since I do 3d rendering, so I chose the better tablet.
I have both, but it’s pretty hard to work on an iPad. Not that there’s no special app on the iPad, I generally only work on Microsoft office and I really tried to work on my iPad only for like a month. Of course, it didn’t work out. No matter how hard I try, the Office app just doesn’t perform that well when you are typing multiple languages (I type in English, Chinese and Japanese), sometimes the cursor on Word would start jumping around when I start typing in the two Asian languages. On the other hand, there are things that doesn’t work on my Surface because the Microsoft app store is just pure shit, for instance, I use Google Playbooks for ebooks but there is no dedicated app on windows, there used to be a workaround and you can force an Android app to work on Windows 11 but they recently decided to shut down all android support. I tried to find a balance by going for a Samsung tablet, trust me, it just doesn’t work at all.
Can new surface open office products like powerpoint like other intel laptops? With no lag And for editing 4k videos can it do that or is weak? Is it worth 32gb ram model? What about ipad for 4k long video editing? 16 gb ram will be needed or 8 can do that with no lag?
Intel lunar lake also focus on power efficiency so if ipad doesn’t change, Apple will lose again. I feel like currently employees at Apple are busy to “prove themselves“ instead of doing their real jobs 😂
@@ThisIsE I understand, their specific VPN might not work yet and that could be a problem. Just saying, people should know that you can install VPNs like surfshark and wireguard. I was under the assumption that it couldn’t run VPNs at all until another UA-cam showed that it could. Really changed my opinion about the device
I watch videos from your channel from time to time, and this is the first time that I notice how buff you are. Not sure if it's a recent thing, but congrats on the gains both physical and in terms of channel growth.
If was MacOS on the ipad, was almost a perfect device. But like that is just a toy! For regular content like music, photos, videos, watching movies, browsing the Internet, I can get an android tablet for less than half the price of the iPad.
The only reason to buy an iPad is for the drawing experience. I hate the OS and Apple products in general but it's still the go to tablet if you are into art and drawing. I want to get a Surface Pro but my 7-year-old iPad pro with the original pencil is a superior drawing device.
The day the Surface will be equipped with an 8840hs or better ryzen cpu, maybe it will finally double its autonomy and have a great chipset, otherwise m4 for editing, drawing, working (or manageable tasks under ipad OS) will strictly bury the Surface without an ounce of fight.
Anddddddd if I have the surface plugged in and using it, even moderately, all fans kick on like no fkn tomorrow and it gets hot af still and starts lagging
The iPad is not a computer it is simply a big iPhone with big apps people use of the stream and have fun. Until they make a Mac iOS hybrid platform it will always be a bigger iPhone and this is coming from someone who has multiple ones. You simply cannot beat the functionality of a computer if you need to do computer things
we are know, apple will never make an ipad as a laptop. I used to own 12.9 IPAD PRO with magic keyboard or what ever. O boy, i do definitely needed a laptop, and i hated every moment, when the laptop couldn't do things i wanted. I wanted to like that, but apple made sure, that's not the case. Get surface or mabook air.
These days the most important part of an operating system is the web browsing experience. for me extensions are integral part of my browsing. which is why I can mostly use linux comfortably without much issues. Safara on iPad on the other hand is still years behind in that area I can't use my extensions nor can I use a different browser that supports them.
Take it from me, surface is trash! While you could theoretically get away with using the surface as your main computer, it fails in all categories by being a master of none. It’s super buggy and frequently crashes not to mention endless daily updates, you can’t use in on your lap so it’s not a laptop, the touch interface is really bad so you can’t really use it as a tablet either… The iPad fares worse in that you can’t really use it as a dedicated laptop however you can use it in your lap and it really shines as a tablet. This brings me to my point, these devices are supplemental to your primary device. So if you have a MacBook and iPad is amazing. However if you have a windows laptop the surface is useless.
yes, my last surface laptop got weird problems, I’d rather have a real laptop. And iPad is just a tablet which offers me reliable and simple experience.
@@Jdnicks00 yes I originally got a surface pro as primary device because all the tech reviewers were raving about it, well I suspect none actually tried using it for real. Anyway you a right, you have to view the iPad as an accessory. I use it as a second screen (with universal mouse) and as a standalone for emails and media. Trouble is it’s a $1000 accessory which is a little crazy but an M1 Pro is about 400 and you aren’t getting much more with M4.
iPad is so useless when you need to do actual computer work, it’s way too restricted and even some websites never work. I’d definitely recommend the surface over the iPad
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I think we all have to stop comparing the iPad to a computer. The whole point of an iPad is a supplemental work tool if you are a heavy mac user. Not all iPad workflow is comparable to having an actual computer. A lot of people still don't understand this and they end up complaining and getting disappointed in the end. It's like taking a nice sedan and expecting it to perform like an F1 car. We have to stop forcing this issue on Apple and other gadget makers. They differentiate their products for a reason.
I have had every single iPad since its initial release and I understand your point. Everything you say is 100% true if we talk about a device like the iPad Air which is more reasonably priced and adequately equipped. The Pro iPad models however ought to offer more.
It's apple that tried to compare it to a computer and it costs more than a computer and is a "pro device". In my opinion most people should just buy a regular iPad or maybe Air. The one big exception I would say if for graphic artists that use the pen a lot.
Just a CORRECTION: ipad doesnt hold its value as much as pc/mac does, the value of 2021 ipad is almost as much as entry level android with almost 70% reduction in price (i.e 1000$ device just 3 years later is only 300$ now). While mac 2021 at same time has price reduced by only 40%. Plus its annoying buying a 1200$ device, just to know it wont be running any full version of apps, neither will be holding its value anytime soon in future. But those who are rich, for them cost per value is not thing to worry about.
Well, the $700 reduction on 3 years is still means that it's hold the value better.. because the Surface $200 discount already means that, if you want to sell your used Surface, you must lower the price at least with $300, to undercut that $200 discount.. so already lost $300 value just in a few months.. not in a few years like the iPad..
@@TamasKiss-yk4st Maybe you value things based on MRP, but any seller will tell you value is always calculated on C.P (cost price) of item. Discount on MRP makes it a S.P (selling price) which is close to C.P of item (with added margin). Most companies (unlike apple) offer an initial discount (for marketing) which actually always remains close to 20% (that means their MRP has that value added factor). Some companies (mostly textiles) even offer 80% discount on product that is only for marketing, but their MRP is printed in order to maintain a profit margin. So a 20$ shirt is printed with MRP 100$ and sold on sale for 80% discount. Conclusion: So if MRP of product is say 1300$ and you are offered discount to 1000$ that means value will always be calculated from that 1000$ not from fake MRP that product is printed with.
The first issue I see that you have is. Microsoft. I wouldn’t take that tablet if you gave it to me free. iPad is another story. Or if it were OnePlus Pad. But from Microsoft. No thank you.
This sounds again so familiar. Frankly, I won't be selling my beloved iPad M4 13", but my new Surface Pro 11 wipes the floor with the iPad from a comfort and versatility point of view. Two areas are a let down in comparison to the iPad, though - and you have touched upon it - you cannot download movies and take them on the go for a vacation, but this is not really the use-case of the Surface Pro. For this, I will leave Apple device behind and count on the Fold 6. The truth is that Apple has been trying to be too many things to too many people with, in the process, only a couple of products staying stellar: MacBook Pro M series, Apple TV and the Apple Watch Ultra. Still, the AppleTV, much like the iPhone mini, and the Mac mini and the iPad mini, and the iMac and the Mac Pro and Car Play has not been properly updated for a very long time. Extremely good sound mixing on this video, as always. Even if I weren't enjoying the content, just for production quality and the "set/desk" design/organisation I would still be watching the videos with pleasure. Great job! it - you cannot download movies and take them on the go for a vacation, but this is not really the use-case of the Surface Pro. For this, I will leave Apple device behind and count on the Fold 6.
@@ThisIsE I got the Elite, indeed. With 32 GB RAM and 1 TB disk (to avoid the hassle of dealing with upgrades). I kept both the pen and the keyboard from my Surface Pro 9. I am however debating the option to use the Logitech MX anywhere or Microsoft Arc Mouse and the Keys-to-Go 2 by Logitech - both combos that I use with the iPad. I will be damned if I pay the exorbitant prices those companies are asking for keyboard, just because the trackpad is haptic. BTW, if the stylus being rattly is a big issue for you - here is what I did - in the office I use an old, first generation Microsoft Pen and it works great, has an all metal body and works with a replaceable battery for months.
The issue with video downloads is recent. Up until three months ago, downloading any Netflix video on the iPad was straightforward. However, this feature was removed to reduce development costs for the Windows app, compelling users to switch to the less efficient web version.
@KYVTrocks Absolutely true. This has spread across virtually all modern Windows non-professionals apps - most if they already have an Android and iOS app, they don't bother to code anythey else, but a webapp that is then repackaged as a Chrome/Edge webapp.
Don't take it for granted.. We click we watch and we move on but your videos are different man. I hope people can appreciate how much heart and soul you put into it❤Too many big youtubers are going for shortcuts and bro u shine
Such I lovely compliment. I appreciate that you see the work that we put in 🙏
I have tried using my iPad Pro 13 for the longest time now. It get my productivity works done, but not without A LOT of struggles. The "fatal attraction" of a surface pro is pulling me back... very strongly and I have been resisting it as the iPad Pro 13 doesn't come cheap and I had wanted to give it another go. Likely I will surrender to the surface pro.
I understand you when you say - struggles.
Indeed, the Surface Pro 11 is actually the best 2 in 1, and it will be even more so when most apps will be updated and made compatible with Windows for ARM.
Indeed
So “when” is that going to happen? Microsoft released the Surface X on ARM in 2019. So when, is a great question when people need devices NOW.
@@trentgilliam5192 It's happening already. VPN apps have started releasing for ARM as an example.
@@trentgilliam5192you really can't see the difference between now and then. The hardware wasn't good enough to move the needle that's changed.
I went for surface pro 11, as appealing as the iPad was. I hope there will be some Linux touch distro in the future. By the way, nice videos and highly curated esthetics and taste
Excellent and balanced video. I totally agree with your assessment. I've had a M1 12.9-inch 2TB model with magic keyboard and pencil for coming up to 3yrs and at the time I purchased it as an Intel MacBook Pro replacement which it completely failed to do due to iPad OS limitations. M series iPad Pro are technically excellent, but despite iPad OS improvements, the operating system still cripples them to live in a walled garden ecosystem of mostly mediocre smart phone style apps. I object to paying such a high price for computer tablet where Apple dictate what apps I can or cannot run through their app store policies. And consequently, I will never by another iPad Pro, because my sixth gen iPad Mini is just as competent as a media consumption and casual gaming tablet, but more portable. Why, because iPad OS wastes the incredible performance potential of the iPad Pro. I now have a Windows 11 tablet PC and love it. It's replaced both my iPad Pro and M2 MacBook Pro, because the iPad Pro does not have a desktop class operating system and the MacBook Pro's UI feels prehistoric with its lack of touch display and intrinsic stylus support which I really appreciate in my later stages of my life.
Any iPad, no matter how powerful they are, will never be a laptop replacement because Apple still needs to sell MacBooks. Great video, btw!
Thank you
Half true. The mission statement for the iPad is to be the "third device" that 1) does things the laptop and phone can't do, 2) a third of things that phones and laptops can do, it does them way better. By focusing on optimization on these things it ensures it won't be "clunky" at them. So what we're seeing in where these devices excel and fall short is a direct result of their different mission statements.
For someone wanting a Laptop-Tablet-Phone experience on only two devices, the Surface is the winner. That's literally its mission, to help you do all three with only two. You get a "passable" laptop experience coming in at 90% what the best dedicated laptop can do, and a "passable" tablet that's a bit clunky at what tablets do best. Over time, having this -10% abrasive experience of not being the best I can be, made me abandon the Surface and go for a Mac+iPad+iPhone trio.
On the Macbook+iPad+iPhone experience, you simply get a best-in-class laptop computing experience, a best-in-class tablet experience, and a kind of "automagic" integration between all three where you can just put down one and go to the other or use all three together as a single "mega-device": the iPhone giving studio quality video for webcam while the tablet is effortlessly becoming second screen for the laptop or vice versa. Copy pasting between them all as if they were one device. That's the tip of the iceberg of a list that has about 100 more things I could go on and on about..
It's more money invested up front but the luxurious optimized efficiency seems worth it. The higher resale value, better longevity, better productivity, and greater sanity at being able to "work at the speed of thought" is starting to make me feel that the total cost of ownership is even equal or less, than juggling around and replacing Windows and Android devices more often.
I'm very pleased that Samsung, Microsoft, and Apple are in a stiff competition now though. It's good for anyone who uses these devices.
Why do people want tablets to be laptops. Just buy a laptop.
@@kingech_B15 Amen. Steve Jobs had the vision on all three types of devices, as evidenced by all three form-factors being massively copying Apple.
I have both products, but I use them for different purposes. I use the Surface for all general tasks, while I use the iPad solely for consuming content. I hope that one day the iPad will be able to run both macOS and iPadOS programs. I enjoyed watching the video. Thank you.
They can make it like Dex but you know it will never happen. iPads already are as expensive as macbooks (the Pro of course) and all it has is instagram value. to take a picture on IG with it. Running mac programs will kill the macbook which will never happen.
Much appreciated!
We will see less need for Mac in iPads if developers begin to develop for both Mac and iPad.
I wonder if we don’t see both apps being developed at same time because large companies refuse to develop with Swift.
atlesst ipad os should have full fledged desktop class browser so that we can use/surf govt websites on ipad or. use web versions of app that sucks on ipad. Web Browser and Files App needs a lot of improvements. and multi stream audio playback also background activity (downloading/uploading)
you spent that much money on an ipad just to consume content?
This comparison review is one of the best! Other reviews aren't doing it like this. You deserve more subs!
Thank you very much!
Oh boy has your channel improved, you always had great editing and filming, but now you seem to comprehend a lot what customers may look for. Keep on the hard work. A long time subscriber here.
That means a lot! Thank you very much!
I was hoping you'd make this comparative review. So glad you did!
Glad it was helpful!
I have never, ever had a problem with a Surface Pro on my lap, and I go back to the Surface Pro 2, then 4, the 5, a brief jaunt to an M1 iPad Pro, then back to the SP9 SQ3 and now the SP11 SDX Elite. If I have a lot of peripherals hanging on it, I always keep my SPs in a form-fitting, padded, "armoured" case, when not using them, and if the weight could hurt my legs, I put the case over my knees and put the SP on top of that. Or I use a table or desk. It's not an evil techno-torture device.
08:34 - The iPhone layout is killer. Fan of your work.
Thank you so much.
I considered both.
I ended up purchasing a Minisforum v3. While it is heavier, it came with the keyboard and pen, it's got 32GB ram, and a 1TB SSD. The only downside is the battery, which gets about 5-6 hours for kind of regular usage. It's gaming ability is significantly beyond either the M4 iPad Pro or Surface Pro 11 (but an even bigger battery drain). Plus, you can always use it as a monitor for another device.
All that for 999$ USD? It's just a better value. More speed, more space, more power. And for me, my preference is always matte over glossy screen, so I loved that. The only real downside I feel is the battery and that the additional weight. It's 2lb compared to the iPad Pro (m4)'s 1.25lb. It's easily noticeable. But if you're taking it somewhere for work or play, you're likely putting it on a flat surface, so, whatever. Likewise, at home, I just plug it into a dock and it does dual monitors, keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc, all by plugging in one wire.
The moment they can get all that into a 1.25lb or less package is the moment the current gen of tablets becomes almost obselete by comparison unless you're purely looking for a consumption device on a tablet.
I will definitely check it out.
@@ThisIsE you should! It’s an amazing device, especially for the company’s first foray into the tablet space.
I bought the new Ipad PRO 13 inch. Its great for consuming contents , reading emails and browsing . It so good that I am planning to get my iphone repalced with the upcoming Mini/ SE model.
Why are you so sure there will be a mini?
There is a rumours that there would be Iphone Air (same screen size as regular Iphone, but more thin and cheaper)
Same story here, after getting the iPad, I no longer consume content on my iPhone (except Music, Podcast, and some browsing), so I was thinking about getting the iPhone 13 mini, but I think I’m gonna wait to see if they’re gonna release a small iPhone this year (which I doubt), if not, I’m getting the 13 mini.
This is by far the best analysis and comparison I have seen between the two devices. I have tested the latest Surface Pro, IPad Pro, Surface Laptop, and MacBook Air & MacBook Pro devices. They all bring something unique to the table. My goal was to find a single device that could simplify my personal and productivity needs. While I believe the iPad Pro boasts the most innovative hardware package, it absolutely falls short in overall productivity, especially when using the complete Office 365 Suite as I do on a daily basis. If it weren’t for that IPad Pro would be my daily driver, but that experience is critical enough for my work that I also give the Surface Pro the nod. Outstanding analysis E.
E, your videos are super clean. great comparison.
I appreciate that!
The quality of this video is wonderful. from the lighting to the editing. I love it!
Another quality video. loved it!! it's an asmr experience to listen to you talk. God bless!!
Thank you so much 🤗
@@ThisIsE can you give the link for the iPhone case you are using? 😇
15 min of comparing laptop to big iphone😁
4:02 Me in ikea then nobody is looking
P.S Next time please cover some casual gaming in comparing like dota, cs, or steam indie games
Windows is not capable to play.. because it's better 😂 (it has outdated SD8G2 GPU.. and also can't translatw anything what required anti-cheat for example, so basically tons of games won't run, btw for the same reason even Adobe prodicts won't run on it, because they use something similar like anti cheat just for their products, and the x86 to ARM transition layer can't handle that)
Surface is not a laptop. You cannot use it on your lap. Being “portable” means it suffers from extreme thermal issues for any heavy tasks.
incredible piece of art as always!
Thank you so much 😀
Wow! such a good and clear comparison, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Wierd. Im pretty sure theres a Netflix, Hulu, etc etc app for Windows devices. Why did you knock the Surface for not having something it actually does have?
He said that the browser experience is better, but I guess he could have been more clear. Honestly if a browser page is better than a native app,, it's a bit of a shame. Not the device's fault though, but rather the maker of the app.
Your videos are always a huge masterpiece! I look forward to seeing more :))
Thank you so much!
Agree with your assessment. IPad Pro is limited by software. What is the brand of iPad Pro Magic keyboard skin on your M4 iPad? Thanks
It’s by dbrand
Great video!! E!! Quick question I been seeing you use a tech ring but I seen most of them being used in index but you have in ring finger? Which are you wearing? Thank you!
It's the Ultrahuman ring. Truth be told, I can't stand wearing it on my index.
this video was an absolute treat 🥂 cheers man
I'm super happy to hear that
Great review/comparison 👍 thx
Glad it was helpful!
Well resumed..thanks
Really enjoying your videos man! Great editing and everything, very pleasing to watch! 🎉 Regarding the devices, I think overall the Surface is better, but still there are problems because of the lack of compatibility with the Snapdragon. Hope this gets better. I have the M1 Pro 12.9 and I really enjoy it, but I cannot use it as a Mac replacement (not that I want, I just wish the OS were more capable), it’s very limited. And I don’t plan on upgrading it due to Apple prices for storage and memory. Not while the iPadOS is like it is at least 😂
Subscribed because, why not?
bro don’t do videos he’s doing a documentary almost same content but what a delivery man hats off
and man that cameraman is on another level
Thank you very much 😊
I have both and love them (well an m1 iPad Pro and a surface 11 pro base model). If I could only have one it would be hands down the surface pro as I can do my work on it. Simple. iPad can’t even give me desktop Microsoft excel.
iPad still plays a crucial role in my workflow and hobbies though. Mainly photo editing, learning (languages) and obviously consuming content.
Can't wait to watch the review of what on your wrist
Thanks. Stay tuned
Good clip as always, bro.👍 It’s nice to know the detailed comparison between the two devices mentioned.✌ Unfortunately, even though some aspects of the Surface are better than the iPad Pro M4, it still couldn't sway me since I’ve been an Apple ecosystem user for almost two decades.🙃 And to be honest, I still think the iPad Pro looks much better at first glance😉
Una domanda: consigli di installare subito iOS 18?
Thank you for the review! I own a SP9 Pro and an iPad Pro M2, and I'm facing the same dilemma.
For serious work, I opt for the Surface, but for outdoor note-taking, the iPad with Cellular is my go-to. The issue arises when unexpected work comes up; I can't complete my tasks on the iPad (Because after all its just a Tablet with a bad Tablet OS - You can work as a Developer of some sort or edit videos but cant get Job Specific Programs to run for some small adjustments on the Project.
Thus, I often find myself carrying both devices or just the Surface.
I'm considering replacing both with the Surface Pro 11 when it releases with 5G. It seems capable of handling both tasks.
It's not the ideal laptop for lap use but works perfectly on a desk.
As a tablet, it's not the best due to the Windows experience, but with the Surface Pen, it's quite satisfactory for specific uses.
I used both and chose the iPad. I need the best tablet to use along side with my primary computer: a mac studio. Surface is not a great tablet.
It was interesting watch you use the iPad in attempted desktop type mode on a monitor. Desktop mode appears more usable on phones (Motorola, Samsung etc). Apple certainly can improve the mobile OS systems.
Curious if you can connect then iPad to local network environments and work that way
14:32 this is the exact reason why I move to surface. IPad makes me mad every single time I bring it outside to work and then I realize it can't do simple task without a computer.
I hear you!
Why do you not use the Logitech combo touch anymore? Thought you were raving about it in the last video. Quite surprise to see that you turn back to using the Magic Keyboard
I use it, too. The purpose of this video required me to use the Magic Keyboard for proper comparison
wow awesome review you should have at least 10 m subs
Wow, thanks!
Great video ❤
As somebody that love's apple and has drank the coolaid, the iPad will never have a desktop environment where you can put files and whatnot with a more "normal" window manager. It would cannibalize the Macbook Air and apple doesn't want that. imo the iPad will stay in this weird place between a 2in1 a tablet, leaning more towards the tablet. Opposite goes for the Macbook's, I don't see them ever getting touchscreens. If they did people would stop buying iPad Pro's.
With the rise of touch-first generation of devices and users I don’t see any cannibalism threat if Apple introduces much needed necessities.
@@ThisIsE I agree. My family has been all Mac since 2005. My kids, 21, 14 and 8 only know touch devices. They are iPad only by choice. Even their school uses iPads. Normal for them is how the iPad file system functions. When they use a MBP, they don’t like the workflow. In my opinion, workflow preferences are just developed habits. I don’t see any cannibalism threats at this point.
What are you talking about? Apple cannibalized its products before, maybe you’re too young to know what happened with iPods when iPhone was introduced. Do your research before writing nonsense publicly 😂
@thatroykid that’s not the main reason it’s the App Store commission. Watch the Verge’s video. Apple could’ve created an all new overpriced tablet segment with macos but they won’t do it
@@trentgilliam5192the future is iPad. The new generatiom like kids to new college students now prefer iPads. There is AI now and apps like Canva, CapCut, and so on, are better than macbook apps due to AI etc and has Netflix...they can focus on substance of content rather than sophistication of editting. Many new generation of content creators or vloggers with high views and millions of subscribers only use iPads and many vloggers with few views and few subscribers uses mac or windows with high end softwares that has high learning curve and complexity.
As a shape, life time performance, quality and design 100% the ipad
As for the usage 100% the surface 11
The IPad suits my workflow and I find it a lot more fun to use. BTW how does Surface handle photo and video editing? And both devices still cannot game as well as the handheld consoles despite their powerful chips.
The Surface handles plenty like a champ
For browsing - iPad. For anything work related - surface... can't believe I said it but yea... If your work is spamming mails, I guess you can do it from the iPad :D :D
Several VPNs have released ARM64 apps now, and OpenVPN worked great before that as well.
What Windows device makers fail to understand is that a good anti reflective display help improve battery life since you don't need to crank up brightness to compensate for the glare
That's a valid point!
This is one of a few times I'd take a Windows product over an Apple product.
I hear you!
"Surface pro is not a tablet" Exactly. It does a lot more than an iPad in the similar form factor and price point
Is there my difference between the iPad Pro m4 and 2020 iPad Pro a12z?
There's a huge difference in perfomance and display technology.
Thanks for the review. It made me realise that the iPad is the right device for me.
I am glad I could help
Ipad isnt a 2 in 1 its just a tablet
My surface pro is ok and all but god forbid I have A LOT of drawing to do in one note before shit starts freezing up. And as a med student, there is A LOT of drawing pathways. So tbh I might get an iPad
The iPad is a superior tablet for drawing. It's a shame because I hate the Apple OS and want a windows tablet for drawing, but the Surface Pro is not it. !0 years and MS hasn't been able to equal or exceed the Apple drawing experience. My 7-year old iPad pro with the original Apple pencil and Procreate is a superior drawing device than the new Surface.
Surface is a better computer that can be used as a tablet sometimes, iPad is a better tablet that can be used as a computer sometimes.
For me neither of them can do my computer work since I do 3d rendering, so I chose the better tablet.
Whats your primary device?
@@ThisIsEIt’s a Windows desktop, even tho I prefer Macs, but the main software I use (3ds Max) is only available on Windows.
I have both, but it’s pretty hard to work on an iPad. Not that there’s no special app on the iPad, I generally only work on Microsoft office and I really tried to work on my iPad only for like a month. Of course, it didn’t work out. No matter how hard I try, the Office app just doesn’t perform that well when you are typing multiple languages (I type in English, Chinese and Japanese), sometimes the cursor on Word would start jumping around when I start typing in the two Asian languages. On the other hand, there are things that doesn’t work on my Surface because the Microsoft app store is just pure shit, for instance, I use Google Playbooks for ebooks but there is no dedicated app on windows, there used to be a workaround and you can force an Android app to work on Windows 11 but they recently decided to shut down all android support. I tried to find a balance by going for a Samsung tablet, trust me, it just doesn’t work at all.
Can new surface open office products like powerpoint like other intel laptops? With no lag
And for editing 4k videos can it do that or is weak? Is it worth 32gb ram model?
What about ipad for 4k long video editing? 16 gb ram will be needed or 8 can do that with no lag?
Nor ipad or Surface Pro should be used for pro video editing. They can, but they are not designed for that.
Intel lunar lake also focus on power efficiency so if ipad doesn’t change, Apple will lose again. I feel like currently employees at Apple are busy to “prove themselves“ instead of doing their real jobs 😂
Where or how did you get the surface pro $200 off? I’m on a budget and I’ve been leaning more towards the surface pro 11
The product can be found on Microsoft's official Surface store.
Right now it says it’s the full amount on their website?
Could you share the link please?
You look like Professor X 😂😅
Wouldn't the more capable device be the better choice for a buyer?
True, but capabality for one person is different for the other.
Can someone name the widgets he has on the ipad?
Which one?
You can install VPNs. Just not all of them yet
You get the point, though?
@@ThisIsE I understand, their specific VPN might not work yet and that could be a problem. Just saying, people should know that you can install VPNs like surfshark and wireguard. I was under the assumption that it couldn’t run VPNs at all until another UA-cam showed that it could. Really changed my opinion about the device
I watch videos from your channel from time to time, and this is the first time that I notice how buff you are. Not sure if it's a recent thing, but congrats on the gains both physical and in terms of channel growth.
anything proprietary is always a down mark in my opinion, especially if it is the power connection.
It's not that you are locked to it! You can charge via all the ports
excellent video !
as a 2 in 1 surface is better overall... as a tablet go for the ipad
Perfect summary 👌
If was MacOS on the ipad, was almost a perfect device. But like that is just a toy!
For regular content like music, photos, videos, watching movies, browsing the Internet, I can get an android tablet for less than half the price of the iPad.
True that
The only reason to buy an iPad is for the drawing experience. I hate the OS and Apple products in general but it's still the go to tablet if you are into art and drawing. I want to get a Surface Pro but my 7-year-old iPad pro with the original pencil is a superior drawing device.
The day the Surface will be equipped with an 8840hs or better ryzen cpu, maybe it will finally double its autonomy and have a great chipset, otherwise m4 for editing, drawing, working (or manageable tasks under ipad OS) will strictly bury the Surface without an ounce of fight.
Competition is coming. Stay tuned this september
@@ThisIsE Surface pro with hx 370? 🤔
Where do u get your ipad cases from?
Various places. Locally, Amazon, some are being sent as well.
@@ThisIsE thanks... ur videos are very interesting...
Ipod for me because im a apple fan made
Fair enough 👌
This OLED version with Snapdragon X Eilte costs $1499 not $1299
There's a discount that's been available for quite a while
Anddddddd if I have the surface plugged in and using it, even moderately, all fans kick on like no fkn tomorrow and it gets hot af still and starts lagging
Not in my experience. It even works great in a desk setup
The iPad is not a computer it is simply a big iPhone with big apps people use of the stream and have fun. Until they make a Mac iOS hybrid platform it will always be a bigger iPhone and this is coming from someone who has multiple ones. You simply cannot beat the functionality of a computer if you need to do computer things
Ipad does not have the full version of the any software and its operating system is lighter than laptops .
we are know, apple will never make an ipad as a laptop. I used to own 12.9 IPAD PRO with magic keyboard or what ever. O boy, i do definitely needed a laptop, and i hated every moment, when the laptop couldn't do things i wanted. I wanted to like that, but apple made sure, that's not the case. Get surface or mabook air.
I like surf ❤❤❤❤❤
Bro , use Pixel 9 Pro XL for 39 Days straight
I am thinking Fold
These days the most important part of an operating system is the web browsing experience.
for me extensions are integral part of my browsing.
which is why I can mostly use linux comfortably without much issues.
Safara on iPad on the other hand is still years behind in that area
I can't use my extensions nor can I use a different browser that supports them.
But ipad is nothing more than facebook browser.
Obviously its Ipad. Nothing beat Apple.
I used to be like you
Take it from me, surface is trash!
While you could theoretically get away with using the surface as your main computer, it fails in all categories by being a master of none. It’s super buggy and frequently crashes not to mention endless daily updates, you can’t use in on your lap so it’s not a laptop, the touch interface is really bad so you can’t really use it as a tablet either…
The iPad fares worse in that you can’t really use it as a dedicated laptop however you can use it in your lap and it really shines as a tablet.
This brings me to my point, these devices are supplemental to your primary device. So if you have a MacBook and iPad is amazing. However if you have a windows laptop the surface is useless.
I would’ve agreed with you if it was last year’s model. I’ve been using this Surface for months hassle free. I appreciate the feedback!
yes, my last surface laptop got weird problems, I’d rather have a real laptop. And iPad is just a tablet which offers me reliable and simple experience.
@@Jdnicks00 yes I originally got a surface pro as primary device because all the tech reviewers were raving about it, well I suspect none actually tried using it for real. Anyway you a right, you have to view the iPad as an accessory. I use it as a second screen (with universal mouse) and as a standalone for emails and media. Trouble is it’s a $1000 accessory which is a little crazy but an M1 Pro is about 400 and you aren’t getting much more with M4.
iPad is so useless when you need to do actual computer work, it’s way too restricted and even some websites never work. I’d definitely recommend the surface over the iPad
If aint for ecosystem hands down windows win in this !!!
Surface pro runnung macOS FTW
1:06 - iPad Pro M4 also has OLED display.
I know
iPad for entertainment and artists.
If you need to do real work then get the Surface pro
Unless you are an artist :)
windows >>> ipados
great video but pretty sure netflix and co are available in the form of apps on the windows store....its only on the mac that u dont get anything
Conclusion: Just get a MacBook Air 😃
Hahahah
can the surface have 2 different users? ipad no!!!
Valid point
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I think we all have to stop comparing the iPad to a computer. The whole point of an iPad is a supplemental work tool if you are a heavy mac user. Not all iPad workflow is comparable to having an actual computer. A lot of people still don't understand this and they end up complaining and getting disappointed in the end. It's like taking a nice sedan and expecting it to perform like an F1 car. We have to stop forcing this issue on Apple and other gadget makers. They differentiate their products for a reason.
I have had every single iPad since its initial release and I understand your point. Everything you say is 100% true if we talk about a device like the iPad Air which is more reasonably priced and adequately equipped. The Pro iPad models however ought to offer more.
It's apple that tried to compare it to a computer and it costs more than a computer and is a "pro device". In my opinion most people should just buy a regular iPad or maybe Air. The one big exception I would say if for graphic artists that use the pen a lot.
Just a CORRECTION: ipad doesnt hold its value as much as pc/mac does, the value of 2021 ipad is almost as much as entry level android with almost 70% reduction in price (i.e 1000$ device just 3 years later is only 300$ now). While mac 2021 at same time has price reduced by only 40%.
Plus its annoying buying a 1200$ device, just to know it wont be running any full version of apps, neither will be holding its value anytime soon in future. But those who are rich, for them cost per value is not thing to worry about.
Just a clarification: talking about 2nd hand devices and depreciation.
My value comparison was aimed at the alternative in the video.
Well, the $700 reduction on 3 years is still means that it's hold the value better.. because the Surface $200 discount already means that, if you want to sell your used Surface, you must lower the price at least with $300, to undercut that $200 discount.. so already lost $300 value just in a few months.. not in a few years like the iPad..
@@TamasKiss-yk4st Maybe you value things based on MRP, but any seller will tell you value is always calculated on C.P (cost price) of item. Discount on MRP makes it a S.P (selling price) which is close to C.P of item (with added margin). Most companies (unlike apple) offer an initial discount (for marketing) which actually always remains close to 20% (that means their MRP has that value added factor). Some companies (mostly textiles) even offer 80% discount on product that is only for marketing, but their MRP is printed in order to maintain a profit margin. So a 20$ shirt is printed with MRP 100$ and sold on sale for 80% discount.
Conclusion: So if MRP of product is say 1300$ and you are offered discount to 1000$ that means value will always be calculated from that 1000$ not from fake MRP that product is printed with.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 where did you get that? iPad Pro 2021 now are still 700usd and higher now for 2nd hand devices esp now with Apple Intellgence.😂😂😂
The first issue I see that you have is. Microsoft.
I wouldn’t take that tablet if you gave it to me free.
iPad is another story. Or if it were OnePlus Pad. But from Microsoft. No thank you.
The iPad clearly sounds better
I hate apple bit i would choose the ipad for one reason.... Copilot
What do you mean?
@@ThisIsE I don't like copilot and recall features on windows. It's too intrusive for privacy concerns
@@kingcooleyivAgreed.
Ipad all and everyday! Microsoft sucks…..
ios, ipados, well-made make up only. win gets better and better and definitely fits for all-round usage and suitable for creation and consuming.
This sounds again so familiar. Frankly, I won't be selling my beloved iPad M4 13", but my new Surface Pro 11 wipes the floor with the iPad from a comfort and versatility point of view.
Two areas are a let down in comparison to the iPad, though - and you have touched upon it - you cannot download movies and take them on the go for a vacation, but this is not really the use-case of the Surface Pro. For this, I will leave Apple device behind and count on the Fold 6.
The truth is that Apple has been trying to be too many things to too many people with, in the process, only a couple of products staying stellar: MacBook Pro M series, Apple TV and the Apple Watch Ultra.
Still, the AppleTV, much like the iPhone mini, and the Mac mini and the iPad mini, and the iMac and the Mac Pro and Car Play has not been properly updated for a very long time.
Extremely good sound mixing on this video, as always. Even if I weren't enjoying the content, just for production quality and the "set/desk" design/organisation I would still be watching the videos with pleasure. Great job!
it - you cannot download movies and take them on the go for a vacation, but this is not really the use-case of the Surface Pro. For this, I will leave Apple device behind and count on the Fold 6.
Looks like we're in the same boat again, haha. Did you get the X Elite? Also, are you using the Flex keyboard?
@@ThisIsE I got the Elite, indeed. With 32 GB RAM and 1 TB disk (to avoid the hassle of dealing with upgrades). I kept both the pen and the keyboard from my Surface Pro 9. I am however debating the option to use the Logitech MX anywhere or Microsoft Arc Mouse and the Keys-to-Go 2 by Logitech - both combos that I use with the iPad. I will be damned if I pay the exorbitant prices those companies are asking for keyboard, just because the trackpad is haptic.
BTW, if the stylus being rattly is a big issue for you - here is what I did - in the office I use an old, first generation Microsoft Pen and it works great, has an all metal body and works with a replaceable battery for months.
The issue with video downloads is recent. Up until three months ago, downloading any Netflix video on the iPad was straightforward. However, this feature was removed to reduce development costs for the Windows app, compelling users to switch to the less efficient web version.
@KYVTrocks Absolutely true. This has spread across virtually all modern Windows non-professionals apps - most if they already have an Android and iOS app, they don't bother to code anythey else, but a webapp that is then repackaged as a Chrome/Edge webapp.