Voice Coach Reacts | Jinjer | PISCES Live | Christi Bovee
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2019
- Veteran voice coach, Christi Bovee, reacts to her first hearing of Ukranian death metal band, Jinjer, in their live recording of "Pisces", and deconstructs both the song and lead singer Tatiana's performance.
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Jinjers label doesn't tend to CPY claim videos reacting to their music, especially not Jinjer.
The reaction videos have boosted their popularity in the past 2-3 years from a fantastic scene band to an up and comer to the mega festivals. They know that and respect that.
If you want to hear more of her range and talent, Teacher Teacher and I Speak Asrtonomy are a good start with more digestible tunes for metal virgins.
There are also some of their songs where she sings clean all the way through too.
Also, they aren't really a death metal band. They are Nu, Prog and Death. But mostly Prog Metal, they switch styles and pace and singing and everything else up often several times in the same song.
All 4 band members are masters of their instrument and highly creative people, which shows in how different every single one of their songs is.
@@enlightendbel I think a decent recommendation for one of her more clean vocals would be Bad Water. Of course, my favorite is Who Is Gonna Be The One... but she DID say that style isn't her cup of tea ;-)
@@erickknutz5599 Teacher Teacher goes far and wide with the cleans and still has some frye screams mixed in between, it shows her versatility as a singer best tbh. For a vocal teacher seeing someone flip rapidfire between the styles is probably interesting to analyze and admire.
can u do teacher teacher for junjer please
People reacting to jinjer is my new hobby!
Same
Yup love it her reaction is awesome.
another parrot
Its like one of those spring loaded snakes in a can. You just sit back and wait for them to take the top off.
@@kiyokomori371 Love this comment - it's sooooo true
Tati, Shattering peoples reality since 2009.
Chris P Bacon, that's one of the best lines posted by Jinjerite!! Hysterical and true all at the same time!
2010, she didnt join jinjer until 2010.
That sound like as if she were 10 years old LOL
I liked that, despite this not being your thing, you recognised what talent went into this performance. Kudos to you for that ❤
She is the first person who has reacted to this that I've seen actually comment about the drummer, which is funny because this live performance was specifically to showcase their new drummer and how talented he is! Lol
Honestly I don't think there's anyone in that band that's a weak link, you sit there and listen to them all, and every single player is right at the top of their game here. You just don't notice it quite as much as she still manages to overshadow the band a little.
Oh hell yeah! The guitar is nice and tight the drums are on point she is absolutely amazing, this is better than any "super group" I've ever heard!
I'm sure I've heard another reacter mention the drummer - Alex Hefner's mate (Austin?) maybe?
The reaction to this song by the channel “Lucy Reacts” gives commentary on the drumming. Lucy is also a dog 🐕
Yes, and he's a drummer himself, too (but I'm also unsure about his name)
Depending on the style of metal, Meter changes are very common. I end up playing in 6/8, 7/8, and 6/4 a lot. though I count it as 12/8 when I'm playing in it. Then there's bands like tool, which the meter changes are incredibly numerous. The other commonality in metal is how quickly we switch between Natural minor and Phrygian. The style I play very frequently uses natural minor when ascending and Phrygian or phrygian Dominant when descending. The flat second stepping down to the tonic is very much the sound of metal. Things to keep in mind.
Love this! Now I have to go listen to more metal. I had no idea it was so involved musically! Mad respect for you, sir. Mad. Respect. 😍
@@TheVoiceLoveCo I very much recommend groups like tool. There is such a wide variety of metal but they are a good step into complex metal and speaking from a vocal standpoint a lot easier to digest than some other styles. A couple song recommendations "schism" it has 47 changes in meter.
@@TheVoiceLoveCo Metal has a lot in common with classical. Especially among the more progressive corner there's a lot of room for technical play. If you want something that's metal but easier to enjoy while still technical try And Plague Flowers the Kaleidoscope by Ne Obliviscaris. Alternatively within Death Metal I'm a big fan of Be'lakor. Very melodic though they totally still scream a lot. There's plenty of metal that doesn't but that's not labelled Death.
Iron Maiden does a lot of meter changes, and writes EPIC songs. A favorite example that often goes overlooked is "When The Wild Wind Blows." Plus, their vocalist, Bruce Dickinson, is one of the absolute beasts of singers in the genre.
@@TheVoiceLoveCo Another favorite of mine that does the mix between clean and "fry" vocals is Avatar. Metal is more diverse than you may realize (and full of sub-genre style differences) , and I hope you keep trying new things
Her cleans are beautiful. But i fell in love ever since i heard her growls and screams 😍😍😍😍😍 shes queen!
Her "LADY" voice is so melodic... Love this group... She is very special as a singer... Not easy to navigate between those vibes...
It's amazing to see her live
Haha, your face when she started her fry scream was one of the best I've seen so far.
Best part of any react to this song is that first chorus drop. They ain't ready.
Hahaha! Everyone is always like "wtf, what just happened?!?!"
The best part is you can tell she's lip syncing it cause that's obviously not her voice producing that sound. Its obvious dubbed over.
@@metalhead4x448 Have you seen her live?
@@TheN9nth yeah you can hear the obvious effects
There are quite a few other women known for this style of vocal:
-Lauren Hart from Once Human (and frequent guest vocalist in Kamelot)
-Alyssa White-Gluz from Arch Enemy
-Elena Cataraga from Infected Rain
-Courtney LaPlante from Spiritbox
Just to name a few.
Vicky Psarakis from the Agonist (replaced Alyssa when she went to Arch Enemy)
Angela Gossow from Arch Enemy
Maria Arkhipova from Arkona
To name some more great ladies.
@@mormacil Floor Jansen can also growl, though she does so rarely and is not specifically known for it.
Welp found new bands to listen to thank you
None are on Tati's level tho
@@fnglert She does it rarely and I thought she did a different type of growls so I left her of the list.
What I like about you is you listen to the entire song and *then* react.
And yes, Devin Townsend performing Kingdom live for EMGtv.
I am different, I like the ones that pause and break down what they just heard as they hear it, If I wanted to listen to the song I would just go listen to the song.
@@jerthon1 yeah, Fairy Voice Mother's reaction video is good on that front, she breaks down exactly what's going on.
Tip for audio: It sounds like you're playing the audio though your laptop's speakers, then letting it feed back in through your microphone. You're better off using earbuds to listen to the song, and use the audio from the track itself in your video (like you did when you were analysing it).
Just makes for a much better listen :D
"Marty, that was very interesting.....music"
"I guess you guys aren't ready for that yet, but your kids are gonna love it"
Tatiana has said she actually has no formal vocal training. She doesn't even warm up before shows. She does it naturally which is even more insane. But you are 100% right, trying that for a beginner is not good.
From what I've watched and read, she does what's called a Fry Scream. She's not using her vocal folds which I believe is called a False Fold Scream. Regardless, she has natural talent most can only dream of.
Fry uses the true folds actually, false chord avoids them and uses the false vocal folds.
Edmund S wait...she doesn’t warm up for that? And she can flip like that? Holy cow.
just on the sound its most definitely both
@@Predalien1993 Exactly. It sounds like she's using her false folds in this song, though I'm not entirely sure whether or not she uses fry screaming in others.
@@Raptorsalad Personally, i believe she mixes both sounds and beautifully i might add! Not only that, but the lady has such a strong core singing voice!
That was a much more thorough analysis than even other voice coaches normally give! Particularly jumping back and forth between her explanation and clips from the song that demonstrate her point. It was very effective and extremely well edited for both humor and effect. Great job! I'm seeing Jinjer in concert in October, in a surprisingly small venue.
Thank you! Enjoy the concert! 💖
you showed much respect to the song without interrupting with comments until the end. I appreciate that very much.
I love your editing towards the end, it made me laugh. “Taken me to school today “ ! Awesome. That’s a perfect Segway into reacting to Jinjer’s new song Teacher, Teacher!
Hurray! I'm so glad. Yes, I do believe you have a great idea there with your song suggestion! Thanks for this comment. Great to hear from you, Raul. 🌟
Seen her live..shes amazing and yes she does it healthily
Yes thank you for showing your full reaction with this format. I prefer this new format a lot compared to the previous formats you’ve done 😊
Thanks for that feedback, Said. I appreciate it! 😊
Funnily enough, this video was made to highlight the new (not so new now) drummer. The original song didn't had that many ghost notes.
Ok, now you need to hear Devin Townsend perform Kingdom live for EMGtv. Amazing.
Came to say this!
YUP
Ditto
Devin is just a master at his craft, one of the best musicians alive.
concur
Wow! What a nice reaction video!! You let the video flow without interuption. You then presented a detailed desc of timings and some highlight cuts. You took some time for the montage. This video feels refreshing. Thank you, you got a new follower :)
I know it's too late now to tell you this but Napalm Records doesn't block any of their videos on the reaction channels. Even with all the pauses you still got the usual harmless copyright notice, so there was no need for all those cuts. ; )
The remake of this song was done to showcase the different spin the new drummer, Vlad, put on a song the band considered to be one of the "weakest" in the album. Imagine that! Instead, it catapulted them into the international Metal scene. : )
Btw, it's not "the" Ukraine, it's Ukraine only. ; )
Easily one of the most comprehensive analyses on this song so far. Your depth and honesty was refreshing...Great job!
I have seen them live twice! They are the real deal! You need to listen to the song I Speak Astronomy to get your mind blown all over again!!! Her vocal range is pretty much the same during a live show. She is also an amazing live performer with incredible stage presence!!!
9:02 I almost died from laughter 😂 😂
The first woman I heard doing this was Angela Gossow with Arch Enemy in the early 2000's, but she doesn't do any clean vocals and yeah there are a whole host of women in metal doing this kind of thing these days.
Personally Im surprised few heard of Straight Line Stitch, which also switches from clean to growl frequently.
And they're quite good at it. Most of the time it's easier to tell what they're saying compared to guys doing it.
@@EvilBonsai They need more exposure. I loved their stuff the moment I heard it.
Lots of girls and women try this style but very few can hold a candle to T from Jinjer. She may actually have the most powerful metal vocals on a chic that I’ve ever heard. Throw in the fantastic cleans and she’s probably the best in the business. Most others will disappoint in comparison lol.
@@mr.nervedamagegaming8050 personally it's her cleanes that interest me most, her growl is great no doubting that but she's not doing anything new there, but as you say it's her vocal dexterity that really stands her apart from any other metal vocalist male or female. To be fair though every member of this band bring something special, they probably are one of the more interesting metal bands working today.
"Who's gonna be the one" from Resurrection Fest? Warning: More fry screaming. Also by Jinjer. Or better first do "Teacher, Teacher".
Is there a live version of Teacher Teacher yet? The official video, while it has a concert look, the sounds is studio.
Now there's also the live version of Perennial, on Napalm Records' YT channel. Another great live performance with very good audio and more diverse singing than Pisces for vocal coaches to react to. : )
its false cord not fry though
Odd time signatures are pretty common in metal, even in the most unexpected extreme metal. Those are people absolutly in love with music, taking it to extremes. You would be surprised with what you would might find digging around.
Best voice coach reaction that i have seen of this song so far. I already loved this song but your insight gave me even more appreciation for this song than i already had 😎👍
Thank you so much for taking the time to leave this lovely comment. It means the world. 💖
Watching you smile and lightly head band to Jinjer was adorable lol! I am a metal music fan and I quickly fell in love with this band. I love that you can appreciate different styles of music and vocals without necessarily being a "fan" of it. And great editing by the way.
Love the way you edited this video! The quick-pace edits you did were very entertaining.
Glad to see that someone who is not in to that style but knoweledgable about music is able to recognize the degree of talent that they have. I love them
I love that you tell it just like you feel it. "Not exactly my style. But talented musicians.". Perfectly put...because I can tell that genuinely how you feel. Nothing better than honesty, blended with love.
You're amazing.
I like that you pointed put the drummer (and all the others, too, and rightfully so. That beast on the bass conquered this instrument), because this video was actually made to present their new drummer. But then it got kinda viral and all people not familiar with them were talking about Tati's vocals. (:
Hi. 😊 Alternating time signatures is quite common in metal, actually. It’s most common in progressive metal (and I’d say Jinjer is more progressive metal than death metal, but I digress). And yes, there are other women who mix cleans with growls, but I’ve never enjoyed it from anyone else. I suspect it’s Tatiana’s accent that makes me enjoy her more than others. Anyway, good for you for keeping an open mind! 😊
Yeah I'm not that much familiar with Jinjer but this sounded progressive to me, certainly more so than death. Got the same vibe from the bassist too, well the band generally. That riff introduced in the later part of the song is goddamn beautiful too.
@@notquitemytempo1353 The band is crazy technical. Eugene the bassist is an absolute beast. Roman (guitarist) and Vlad (drums) are ridiculously good as well.
@@notquitemytempo1353 Indeed. That riff later on is pretty much taken from Opeth as Jinjer is influenced by them, that whole song is very Opeth-ish. That kind of riff is literally a signature for their music. If you have not listened to them yet, I recommend Harlequin Forest.
she definitely has put her time in...Tatiana's been singing like this for 10 going on 11 years now...she's self taught only having a short period vocal training as a child....the only thing that worries her in regards to singing is catching a cold...other than that she's sung this way so far without incident 🤞....really cool of you to recognize the talent throughout the band...for obvious reasons initially Tatiana is the focus...your advice for anyone attempting to try this style was also very cool 👍🙂
Paz Wretzky and started screaming because of Otep
@@cassiewinters331 yeah I know....I actually said that today on an Otep reaction I saw earlier
LOL the intro of this video knowing whats coming.
Yeah. We wait for the facial expressions when that first chorus drops. ;)
100% I was watching her face the whole time waiting for that drop. Well worth it.
"I was not expecting that."
Such a common phrase among reactions to this song.
Loved the editing! -playing the part after your comment, cool. Also your expressions were priceless.
I love seeing people's reaction to Tatiana going full frayed vocals during that first chorus... it's so pleasing :)
It's a pleasure to hear someone say "It's not my thing" and then still be objective enough to comment on the abilities of the musician/singer/band.
thank you ! you are the first that i have watched to speak of the band and not just tatiana
Your face when the screaming starts is priceless! she have a very powerful scream, controlled very well, not easy!
Nice i love this, you are also reading time signatures and some odd time too, compliments to the Musicians
Thank you for watching the video and taking it all in, THEN going back afterwards to talk about it and keeping an open mind. All of these vocal coach reactions consist of them rambling technical jargon throughout the whole song and not even attempting to connect with the music at all.
As soon as I heard this lady speak in the beginning. I i was like oh no no honey you isn’t ready
Jinjer- Teacher, Teacher, 4 different singing styles in one song all by the same performer.
Also Tatiana is not the only woman to sing with the fry technique.
Thanks for the editing, it's refreshing to watch a "reaction channel" with some work in it (and nicely done).
Keep going Christi :)
Cheers from France.
try Teacher, Teacher - Jinjer - more vocal range
And then there's Beggar's Dance to completely throw you for a loop! lol
absolutely love that song
One of the most professionally done reaction videos I've seen...kudos lady!...
U look speechless She is amazing and band is extremely Talented. Saw them 2x going to see them in Oct for 3x can't wait. Love her and Band is brilliant to
First there is shock
Than disbelief
Confusion
Than Curiosity
After you are amazed!
A lot of technical metal, tend to stray away from common 4/4 times. Sometimes, some bands repeat an odd time signature until its divisible by 4. The drummer will play 4/4 up top on their cymbals and snare, and matching the other time signature on the kick drum.
Yep - Tomas Haake is the boss at this. To give a rough example - 4/4 on the china crash, 7/8 on the snare and 23/16 syncopated double kick all at the same time. Dude is not human.
Aaaaaand there it is at 2.00 minutes exactly.
One of my favourite WTAF moments on UA-cam... the moment that Tatiana switches seamlessly into her scream.
The point where the reactor just goes "Did I just hear that correctly?"
That was one of your best Christi, funny also:-). and your pauses were perfect. didn't really miss a beat. just a great reaction girl, I think one of your best ever:-)
Hey, Jim! Thank you! I had a lot of fun putting this video together. Appreciate your kind feedback! Have a wonderful week! 🌟
Love the format!
Thank you for letting me know. 💖
Liked the edited-in interludes. Much more preferable to the alternative of your stopping the performance during recording and talking through the pauses, because doing so would detract from your ability to get a full sense of the performance, and, as a viewer of a reaction, I don't want that interruption in the reactor's experience. So, post-production pauses are much more preferable to in-recording pauses. So, good job on that. And, the ~50s-ish TV-bulletin-style motif on your pause notice was cute.
Didn't like the muted audio (though, in the analysis portion, it wasn't muted), but I get that you're doing what you feel you need to do.
Love this feedback QQ. Keep it coming. I'm listening. 😍
@@TheVoiceLoveCo - Oh, the needle-on-record noise is a cool touch, BTW.
lol. Even a vocal coach can't explain this.
Tatiana Shmaylyuk = A goddess with a beast vocal.
Jinjer - tolling youtube reactions with Pisces since 2017
And she is self-thaught, that makes it even more incredible!
If you really wanna get taken to school react to Jinjer-Teacher, Teacher :P
Great reaction and editing, it is so tidy
YES! Well said! So grateful to have you here. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Love hearing viewers break down the experience even further, especially since I am still learning the genre. Thanks so much!🌟
@@TheVoiceLoveCo You're welcome! You are open minded, professional and very polite, coaches like you deserve a big following. 🤩
Tatiana is beautiful, physically and vocally. Such an angel
Ahhh one of my favorite bands. Tatiana has the voice of an angel and demon. Her lyrics are absolutely beautiful and the band as a whole is amazing.
Agreed! 🌟
I swear I will never get tired of watching people react to this. And, sexist or not, Tatiana is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.
LOL, yes! Loved the reaction. So glad you did this one. That was my reaction the first time I heard them in February as well. Now I'm a huge fan and excited to see them live in Toronto this October, already got my tickets. Thank you. And I'm glad we could show you something a little different. :)
I agree. I spent most of my life not really attracted to the metal genre, occasionally listening to Metallica or Iron Maiden (yes, I'm dating myself). A few months ago, a casual friend had me listen to Nightwish (with Floor Jansen), and I loved it! Then I started listening to other groups like Jinjer. I'm blown away by the musicianship, even if I don't always love the particular song. However, I do really enjoy this song,and I love Tatiana's switch between that gorgeous pop sound and that riveting growling.
@@larrysmith2638 I jumped on the Nightwish train the same time I found Jinjer. I've always loved metal and was shocked I've never heard of Nightwish before, they're incredible as well. And Floor is a goddess.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO MENTIONS THE METER!!!! i absolutely cannot figure out what the meter is during the screams but i love that they use 7/8 for some parts w the cleans. my favorite time signature of all time
Excellent reaction video. You dove into the mechanics of this band and song. Thanks from a diehard metal fan who loves seeing respect for those who have mastered their craft.
Jinjer was in the middle of evolving from metalcore to progressive metal for that album. But their amazing. Cool reaction!
Greatly placed reaction!!! It's not easy to bow your hat and appreciate even not your cup of tea! Salud!
Props to you for recognizing sheer talent, and I really enjoyed your breakdown of the composition.
Thank you for watching. Means a lot. 😊
Im so glad you mentioned the musicians, that drummer is legit
Another great song by Jinjer worth checking out is perennial
wow, great vid...who does your editing, that was fantastic!!!! I appreciate the vocal advice, keep it up!
Yours is the first Reaction to this song I see that points out the different meters. Thank you for that, I personally love these changes in music.
I love most of Jinjer’s stuff. I don’t care that you don’t enjoy this type of music. You’re getting my sub because of how Objective your reaction is. Great editing. Loved it.
Thank you so much. Welcome! 💖
The first time I heard a reaction video talking about the composition and the other musicians! It's such an intricate piece of songwriting. The bassist and drummer were doing some really cool stuff.
Welcome to the "Being speechless after hearing the goddess Tatiana for the first time" club. She has the voice of a hypnotic angel and a demon at the same time, an an amazing band backing her up, very cool!
This lady is glowing! What a pleasant open minded and intelligent human she is!
My first time listening to Jinjer as well. I'll be seeing them live at Bloodstock Open Air next year.
She reminds me a lot of Otep.
Welcome to the world of Jinjer. All of 'em are amazing musicians! Tatiana all the way!
Nice honest review and nice video editing !
First time I've happened onto your channel -- first one to do a really strong analysis of the song & the artists! Thank you!
Thank you! I appreciate you watching and taking time to comment. 💖
I love this song and band! She is a freak of nature vocally!!!🤘🤘🤘Amazing musicianship too, I might add!
You were great and your expressions made smile so big and wide. Also, you are beautiful and that makes it even better. 👍
I really like watching reactions to Jinjir. Especially, this song. I like your commentary on the vocal techniques and that you didn't leave out the other players incredible talents. I also really liked the interactive clip cuts during your assessment. Very cool.
Once Human. That vocalist is amazing! Listen to that band!
Excellent editing, especially at the end.
I think you're the first person reacting to this song who recognizes those changes of time signatures and such. It takes some skill to write a complex song which still has a very natural flow. I love the jazzy harmonies too. I'm not a fan of the genre but that's some great musicianship.
Death Metal? Yeah no, "Surprisingly amazing progressive metal"? sure.
Noted. Thanks for helping me learn about all of this. Wow!😍
It's an honest mistake if you aren't a metal head like me. You will be amazed how many genres of metal there are.
@@steffithemad8327 that's what I love about metal so many styles and genres and differences I'm mainly a nwbhm fan but I live pretty much all metal
Groove metalcore
Music.
I pretty much watched EVERY reaction to this song! And yours is one of the best 👌😊
Thank you, Roman. I appreciate the encouragement very much. 💖
Dope review. Dope edit as well.
Love this song! Can't get enough reaction videos on this song. 😁
Good reaction of this. She is amazing along with the whole band. So true if u don't know how to sing like than don't do it. Not my top fav of music either but I love them lol. They are that good.
I love it so sweet I am listening to jinjer today. Fast forward to facial reaction
try Jinjer Teacher Teacher!
Wow. Great reaction and, above all, excellent analysis of the song. Odd time meters are more common in metal than you think. The whole progessive metal genre is all about it.
Great reaction vid! Titianna said that it took her years to develop her style of singing/growling and being able to turn it on and off as she pleases and that she's not damaging her vocal cords, but wouldn't recommend it to anyone else.
The rest of their catalog has a bunch of other vocal styles. She sings in a few other clean styles(jazzy, belted, raggae, rap) and also raps in her growl.
Another couple great examples are: teacher teacher, Perennial, and who is gonna be the one
Black water is also great it's one of just a few songs with 100% clean vocals in it