Oh don’t be like this. Neil Gaiman has given us a gift of great beauty. Enjoy the drama of it all; feel the deliciousness of the human capacity for sorrow. You’re alive! This is fiction. Sink deeply into the emotions and revel in them. Embrace this, and look forward to the healing and joy in Act 3 (Season 3).
@@tigeechan2040 definitely this puts it all into a perspective! The show is extremely well done on all counts. I just really hope we do get a season 3!
I really feel like this scene really shows two very different but very real reactions to religious trauma. crowley is the Self Proclaimed Sinner. someone who's not necessarily happy about it but he's accepted he's "going to hell" and hates the cult/church he left. for these kinds nothing would be more horrifying than being asked or told to go back. it means going into the box of repression. Aziraphale is the one who was slowly cast out because of the cracks showing in their facade. this type can be harder for people to understand. they want to be loved by the cult/church still. they want to be welcomed back and told it's okay we forgive you. for aziraphale he's been heavily manipulated just moments earlier. given everything he's wanted. salvation and forgiveness for not only him but his dearest loved one. he assumes crowley wants that too deep down. he's of course very deeply and hurtfully wrong. it makes me angry with him, as an ex-cult member who's definitely more of a Crowley but I also understand him since I've seen loved ones who are Aziraphales and how hard it was for them to finally leave the love bombing and guilt tripping and manipulation. Neil Gaiman and I'm sure John Finnemore too created something so beautiful and tragic here that makes me feel so seen. this kind of fight is so true to life and heartbreaking. I truly hope we get to see more and get the conclusion of how Aziraphale breaks free.
"Love of my life, don't leave me You've stolen my love Do not desert me Love of my, life can't you see? Bring it back, bring it back Don't take it away from me Because you don't know What it means to me You will remember When this is blown over And everything's all by the way..."
I knew this season was gonna focus a lot more on their love when it introduced Maggie and Nina's future romance. Because Maggie and Nina are practically human versions of Azi and Crowley
it's sad but i think aziraphale has a point, maybe cos he wants to protect crowley from the danger or punishment he might facing by supporting heaven's side , even by having crowley hating him since crowley has saved him more than aziraphale aziraphale doesn't want to feel powerless to see himself fail at saving the demon he loves, doesn't want him to abandon the nice things crowley has had on earth just for the angel himself
If it's gonna get violent tonight Tell me you gonna be alright, you gonna be It's an eye for an eye and I don't know if I want you to fight Want you to fight I'm losing my mind Don't leave me behind We need a bit more time 'Cause I don't want the world to turn without you And I don't want the sun to burn without you Yeah, I don't want the world to turn without you And I don't want the sun to burn without you You don't left to be the brave one every time I know you wanna make it right, you wanna make It's a lie for a lie and I'm getting tired on the other side On the other side I'm losing my mind Don't leave me behind We need a bit more time Can you hear my cry, an old lullaby drifting through the sky? 'Cause I don't want the world to turn without you And I don't want the sun to burn without you Yeah, I don't want the world to turn without you And I don't want the sun to burn without you So won't you hold me now? Hold me like I've never did anything to hurt you Don't let go Give me another minute to play here in your echo I don't want the world to turn without you And I don't want the sun to burn without you Yeah, I don't want the world to turn without you And I don't want the sun to burn without you I don't wanna live a life without you I will watch the world burn without you 💔
You know what? I’ve directly went for consolation after season 2 to Harly Quinn series.. ahah what a coincidence, love your profile picture :) But same thing can’t stop rewatching this scene though it literally gives me a headache 🥲
@@blancaherreroespana5035 I love rewatching several times scenes he's in in almost all of his shows, he has such a great ability to convey emotions with those micro expressions. He never plays plain sadness, anger etc... He always adds so much with his acting
@@giovannaargon9010 i've rewatched Broadchurch an unhealthy amount of times, although i think he's overshadowed there by Olivia Colman, but he's so good as Hardy 😭
Crowley on the verge of tears, the cracks in his voice, Aziraphale saying, “Oh Crowley, nothing lasts forever” and “I forgive you” me, crying on the floor for thirty minutes after I watched this scene for the first time
@blamgleek it's been nineteen hours, and I've now stopped cosplaying a waterfall. But now my pillow has filed a noise complaint due to my screaming into it.
A demon opening his heart to an angel, having it broken right then and there and putting his guard back up by putting on the glasses.... breaks me every time.
I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE I SEE SO MANY PEOPLE ANGRY AT AZIRAPHALE!!!! Guys. Aziraphale and Nina are the same. They are mirrors. They are BOTH coming out of abusive relationships. The difference? Nina got out, and Aziraphale hasn't yet. When we meet Aziraphale in the beginning of Season 1, his thoughts on Heaven are... complicated. He loves his life on Earth, but he also regards heaven as the "Good Guys" because that's what he's always been told. That aside, we also see that he exhibits behaviors of someone who has been mentally and verbally stripped down by others and is seeking any approval he can get to feel as if he's loved by them. Essentially: Aziraphale is in an abusive relationship with heaven. Now does that mean it's a good thing he went back to them? No. Not even close. But it is realistic. After 6000 years, he's finally gotten the approval he was seeking from "his side". His judgement is clouded by the euphoria of wanting so badly for these people to just accept him that he's willing to go to extreme lengths to step into their embrace. And inevitably, he will learn that this is not where he needs to be. He'll learn that their love is conditional, just as the love that he's learned to dole out is conditional. That he's too human for them. That he wants to love unconditionally. That he's worth more. But these are all things he must learn on his own. Had Aziraphale stayed behind, there would be a chance that at the first sign of acceptance, Aziraphale would have left Crowley. And that would have been even more devastating than this. Crowley never needed the time to grow because he rejected the doctrines outright. He didn't enjoy being an Angel because they never let him ask questions. He didn't enjoy being a Demon because they claimed he wasn't allowed to love. He rejected both because he saw them as the hypocrites they were. Aziraphale needs to learn all of this. But he needs to do it on his own. He needs to grow. To regret. To leave Heaven on his own terms. I'm glad he went back to heaven. Because when he realizes his mistake, he can truly begin fighting for Crowley with nothing, not even himself, standing in his way.
I agree with your assessment, but I also wonder why Crowley thought that leaving Aziraphale alone with the Metatron, one of the leading members of the institution that abused him, was such a good idea, especially after he was shown to be so protective over the guy who tried to cast him into Hellfire.
@@ThePrincessCH My guess, honestly, is that he trusts Aziraphale. He always has. And that's the tragedy in all of this. He trusted that Aziraphale trusted him back. He put his whole heart on the line. He handed it over and hoped, at the bare minimum, that they could go back to being how they always were. But he wanted love. He wanted to finally admit that Trust Me was always meant to be as good as a confession. And he didn't get that far. Because Crowley had hoped Aziraphale had learned. But he hasn't. Not yet. That's also what I think will make the largest impact in Season 3. Crowley has been fighting for them for so long, but he's never said anything. He's been too terrified to lose. But now he's lost. The gloves are officially OFF. These two can say what they mean, and Aziraphale can begin regaining that trust with Crowley again.
I watched this clip with my four year old and she went, “that’s weird.” So I asked her how and she said, “he left the shop without following him.” She thought Aziraphale should have followed Crowley out. See Aziraphale, even a four year old thought you should have made your feelings more clear
You know what I realised after this season? Crowley loves the universe. He loves everything so much that he can’t fathom destroying it. He wouldn’t kill Job’s goats and children, he wouldn’t let the office staff accidentally kill each other after replacing their paintball guns with actual guns, and he was against the apocalypse from the start. The only times he killed was to save Aziraphale from the French Revolution and the Nazis. He questioned ending the universe as an angel, and outright stopped it as a demon. He’s loyal to no side, only Aziraphale. Aziraphale only agreed to save it after Crowley convinced him that to thwart the Antichrist was in Heaven’s best interests. Crowley doesn’t see himself as a demon really because he didn’t really fall, just sauntered vaguely downwards, and he outright refuses to be on Heaven’s side. Aziraphale has always seen himself as an Angel. On the side of good. He has always seen the world in black and white. In Edinburgh, he originally saw grave digging as a sin, but considered it completely necessary after finding out what the bodies were used for. No grey area, just good or bad. And he thats why he offered Crowley a position in heaven, because he saw the things they did together as purely good so by his logic he must truly be an angel at heart, hence him insisting that deep down he’s a nice person. He loves Crowley, no doubt about it. But I think he currently loves the idea of Heaven more. Unless of course the Metatron did something to his coffee, in which case ignore everything I just said.
@@ThePrincessCH some people speculate that Azi was ready to decline Heaven offer at the lift. However, when Metatron mentioned 2nd coming and heaven's plans, Azi got curious and wanted to know the details and make a plan. Hence, that is why he was smiling, like he is having advantage
I loved your comment, it is basically what I think for these characters. Really I am totally agree whit this devastated final, because Azira is Azira, a fool and innocent angel, and is his charm. I think that coffee theory can be a excuse for the trama of the next season (an last help for another way for the guion?) But is interesting the act, Azira smile why? Pd: I am traumatic for this serie and by the way practicing my english :D I hope that text is understandable
I don't think it's a matter of loving heaven, but aziraphale fundamentally believes in doing good, and he thinks that if he was in charge of heaven he would be able to protect Crowley AND earth.
I agree with eveything you wrote, except one thing. Aziraphale loves the idea of Heaven, but I think he also loves the idea of Crowley and... well, not Crowley. Or at least at a conscious level. Aziraphale doesn't fully accept Crowley for what they are (aka someone who doesn't belong to Heaven, but at the same time doesn't 100% belong to Hell either). Aziraphale keeps insisting that Crowley is actually good because he doesn't love them for what they are (for now), they love the IDEA of Crowley
I can’t stand to see Michael sheen cry it just breaks my heart. And David tennant played that moment beautifully. So help me god there better be a season three and they better be together!
@@gothrockfairy yes! I mean David tenant is hot but Michael sheen has my heart forever. His smile could melt a polar ice cap, and you can’t help but love him. He’s so adorable as az and equally adorable as himself. but like I said I can’t stand to see him sad, just want to give him a big hug. 😍😍😍😍😍
@@gothrockfairy IKR. In particular, when he plays Lucian in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans (2009), it features some of the most horrifically realistic grief acting I've seen on film to date. It was heartbreaking enough to watch him cling to his last moments with Sonja before her inevitable demise, but his screaming when she actually dies...f*ck, it still hurts. 🐺💔
I always think Michael Sheen has the face of an angel. When I saw him played a scary-sexy werewolf/lycan in 'Underworld: Rise of the Lycans', I remember I was thinking he looked like a fallen angel. And I am right😁. And isn't Aziraphel the cutest thing in the entire show? You're right, Azi's smile could melt a polar ice cap. Crowley acts badass and scary all the time, but could never refuse Aziraphel's requests. Whenever Azi asks Crowley for something (with that cute smile and big eyes), everything goes, even his beloved Bentley😂.
@@tiararoxeanne1318 absolutely. Michael sheen is just so adorable. even in interviews and stuff you just can’t help but love the man. I mean if I was asked who my favorite was between Michael and David in front of them I would have no choice but to declare Michael king haha I love his smile and his eyes I mean how could you not and my heart just breaks in a thousand pieces to see him cry. I just want to comfort him haha
The sad part is that you can clearly see Aziraphale's hand pressing against Crowley's back, wanting to accept and maybe even kiss back. And, on top of that, when the kiss breaks, he was about to say "I love you" but cut off and said "I forgive you". That was his way of saying "I love you, but I can't". (I'm not crying, I'm cosplaying the rain-😭😭😭😭)
Was he gonna say that, though? I didn't get that from that scene. Just looked like he was grappling hard with his feelings for Crowley and his blind obedience to heaven, hence why he went into full angel mode when he said that line. He knows he loves him, but thinks the only way they can be together is if Crowley turns back into an angel.
0:43 The tears in "We spent our existence pretending that we aren't." 0:51 His voice breaking when he starts "And I would like to spend-" followed by the growl to clear his throat to not cry right then!!! Crowley! Darling!
The part that really kills me is when hes about to say 'i forgive you' but right before you can hear him say "i lo-' like he was so ready to confess his love for Crowley and just couldn't
The reason why Gabriel and Beelzebub were able to go off to Alpha Centauri is because they’re selfish. They didn’t want to work, they didn’t want to deal with another Apocalypse, and they didn’t want to protect the humans. All they care about is themselves and each other. It’s romantic, but selfish, too. Meanwhile Aziraphale’s willing to give up everything he loves - his bookshop, his food, even Crowley - just to save the earth. He wants to make heaven into the good place it should’ve been and he wants Crowley to finally be happy *with* him. Crowley’s depressed even at the beginning of the season before anything happened. The only time he was actually happy was as an angel smiling, creating the stars etc. Aziraphale just wants to see that smile again.
This is a good point, people are mad at Aziraphale (understandably so) for trying to "change" and "save" Crowley who doesn't want to be saved, but in the very beginning of the season we see Crowley as an angel and Aziraphale having a huge crush on him already (lol). He has probably romanticized those times and thinks he can have them back. It's naive, but also relatable.
I politely disagree and I think it isn’t fair comparing the couples. Aziraphale has always been more loyal to heaven and because of that has been blinded by its faults. He has religious trauma and it will take time for him to work through that. Meanwhile you are forgetting once Gabriel disagreed on Armageddon 2.0 the other archangels were going to not just demote him but, erase his memory. If he and Beelzebub were to stick around they would still be targeted. You literally have Nina and Maggie as Aziraphale and Crowley parallels. Nina with her toxic girlfriend and Aziraphale with heaven’s toxic mindset/ Metatron
They decided on not wanting another Apocalypse before they fell in love, and they left for Alpha Centauri because the option was punishment and separation. Also, they both realized they could be easily replaced.
I think one of the things that hurts the most is that they both so desperately want the same thing (to be together) but can’t agree on how to accomplish this goal in a way that isn’t ripping the other apart…
I am obsessed with the fact that Crowley is the more human of the two. He couldn't kill the goats or Job's kids, he has spent his entire fallen existence doing the LEAST for hell because he loves humanity more. He introduces Aziraphale to food and all sorts of tempting human delights, causing him to love this life on Earth too. He introduces him here to a more human notion of physical love in a last desperate attempt to keep him there. He absolutely does understand more than Aziraphale, he understands he is in love and that they've been played by both heaven and hell. Aziraphale no doubt loves Crowley but doesn't know how to process or even express that because he is still so tied to heaven and his angelic identity. I don't think he even realizes it's romantic love he feels for Crowley. He thinks he is doing the right thing because it's all he knows. I'm sick, I am unwell. I will never recover. Neil what have you done to me...
i'm also obsessed with the fact that the most menacing and evil moments of Crowley happen when (we think) he's directly following God's wishes (killing the goats and the kids).
@@blancaherreroespana5035 Also whenever he tries to do anything genuinely malicious it always comes back to bite him (the freeway and the phone lines from season 1)
It's also rather telling that the first scene we see Crowley in this season is him being amazed and awestruck by the nebula he's just created. Crowley doesn't just love humans. He loves ALL of creation
Nina: "My relationship just ended. I am not ready to start another one yet - I'd just be a rebound mess. I can't start seeing Maggie. When I'm ready, I hope she'll be there but there isn't a guarantee," Maggie: ("Yes there is") Nina: "You're not helping Angel" - Nina and Maggie's relationship is a reflecting metaphor and message - hold out hope and trust in the Gaiman, the ineffable husbands ain't over yet... ...AND DAMMIT DEMAND AMAZON RENEW FOR SEASON 3
I think the saddest thing about this scene is it shows that despite how much Aziraphale loves Crowley, and how much he’s seen and been through all these years, he’s still clinging to this notion of good vs evil and can’t fully accept that Crowley is a demon. It’s a slap in the face to Crowley for sure, whose only real “transgressions” have been the audacity to question authority and to support life and freewill. And Aziraphale gets to see that first-hand, over and over again, while also witnessing how twisted the so-called "good guys" can be. Then Crowley spends pretty much the entire season bending over backwards to take care of Aziraphale, only for Az to turn around and and try to convince him to give up everything he is and stands for --- to go back to the place that essentially forsook them both. Meanwhile, Az's whole argument pretty much suggests he still views Crowley as inherently lesser or in need of forgiveness simply because of what he is. Definitely shows Az hasn't broken free of Heaven's grip and has a long way to go. I understand his point about wanting to make a difference, but I personally think he's being a bit naïve in terms of how far he thinks his influence will go and he isn't entirely prepared for what he's about to get himself into.
I'm so optimistic for season 3. Az will finally see the truth and be the one to do the apology dance to Crowley. I have to believe in that because my heart is absolutely shattered to pieces currently. 😂😭
His naivety isn't much of a surprise though. When Crowley invited him to stay with him, Aziraphale expressed how "[his] side" wouldn't like the idea and this was after they punched him in the gut when they confronted about his hidden agenda.
@@ThePrincessCH Oh yeah, I made a note of him being naïve, but I didn't think it was a surprise either. Aziraphale, I think, has always been a bit prone to being idealistic and seeing the things he wants to see rather than what's there. I would kind of tweak a few of my previous points though. I've decided I don't think Aziraphale views Crowley as lesser so much as he sees how good Crowley truly is and believes there's no reason he shouldn't be, and shouldn't want to be, reinstated as an angel. He still views Heaven as the "good" side, but I think he is also able to acknowledge that it's flawed and sees an opportunity to make things better. He believes giving Crowley back his title is a part of that fix, and contrary to my previous comment, I do think he is genuinely thinking of Crowley's needs and not just his own. Rather, he's misguided because that's not what Crowley needs. And where Crowley goes wrong is that he fails to effectively communicate WHY that isn't what he needs. Just kind of wanted to add that in somewhere because my original comment was based on initial impressions that have shifted slightly.
Just a note or two: 1. I still get the impression that Crowley never told Aziraphale what, exactly, went down in heaven when they Switched. It was to protect Aziraphale from the grief, I'm sure, but it does him no favors here because Aziraphale doesn't know the nastiest part of the story. 2. This is very much a parallel to the "I'm going back to my toxic ex" romance story beat. Down to "I can change them" and "they said things will be different this time". Either it won't go how he thinks, or it won't go how HEAVEN thinks. Aziraphale can be JUST as holier-than-thou as Gabriel ever was. And in his own way, could end up making heaven even worse because he is not the hypocrite Gabriel was; his idealism borders on zeal at times and he can be completely uncompromising. Especially if he's compensating for missing Crowley.
@@HT-wn3ehhahaha I had the exact same thought about the apology-dance as you. 😂 I bet that we'll really get see that in S3. 😆 As sad and depressing that ending is, it's necessary in the long run to tell the whole story I think. There are still lessons to be learned. 🤔 Per aspera ad astra. 💁♀️
I come back to this scene cause Tennant acting is incredible: he delivers his lines with the same anxiety of a kid's first confession AND someone who kept it a secret for centuries, all while effectively getting across how difficult it would be for a demon to articulate their feelings properly.
Yea know, i never really considerd, just how deep Azi was in heavens cult. Azi has fought with Crowly time and time again. But the second Heaven offers him to be on there side, he chooses one over the other. Jeeze, even Gabriel and Bee, the 2 enemys of last season, realized “Yeeeaaaah our lives r more improtant together than at eachothers throughts” To see Azi be so ignorant and willing to rejoin the same cult that tried to KILL him, just shows how much Azi needs to learn. even after the kiss, he said “i forgive u” HE STILL follows heavens rules instead of his own! Crowly isnt on Heaven or Hells side, hes on lifes side. Azi needs to see the difference, and hopefully will.
I think part of what convinced him to return to heaven is that Metatron made it seem like he wouldn’t have to choose between heaven and Crowley and he was very naive and just believed it.
@@Elisasmileygirl yeah, in the end, Heaven is on Heavens side. Not anyone elses. Heck they were about to basically kill Gabriel (mentally) when he disagreed on something! does he really believe they wont jump at the chance to do the same to him once he steps out of there ever thinning line?
i really feel like aziraphale was influenced or kinda brainwashed somehow, something happened between him and megatron whatever his name is that we didn’t see, because i refuse to believe azi would abandon crowley and hurt him this bad especially when he was questioning heavens morals throughout this season i might be delusional but i refuse to believe he would choose heaven over crowley :(
Sheen and Tennat always play Aziraphale and Crowley superbly. But Crowley's last speech is… PERFECT. So deep and intense. Tennat has outdone himself. I wonder when Aziraphale will realize that Crowley doesn't need to go back to heaven, he just always has it inside him. And only when they are together do they really make a difference.
You know how powerful and heartwrenching this scene is when you see hundreds of people discussing it with such passion and intensity - and I really enjoy reading all of your thoughts on that. It just shows that Neil Gaiman is a master in his craft and David Tennant and Michael Sheen are a hell (pun intended!) of actors!
To me it looked like Aziraphale was going to say something else before he said "I forgive you." I think the kiss was his first taste of passion, rather than strictly love, and I think it terrified him, with its concentrated, intense feeling--the fact that physical passion is so bodily, so real. They're not the same and don't always go hand in hand, though very often they do. I think this kiss activated feelings and responses he'd been laughing off or suppressing for years and he couldn't take it in all in a moment. It can be hard to take in when we are loved in that focused, intense way. Hard to feel we're worthy, and hard to accept that gift, in a way, which might feel too big or too strong to bear. It's very humbling, and scary, to take on someone's love, lest we find out we're not worthy of it, or not good at loving back, or we hurt the one who loves us. When we're loved in that way, it demands of us attention, responses, openness, time, vulnerability, all of which can be frightening.
Yes! Agree! You could see how that frightened him when he at first tried to kiss back or at least react somehow. When he put his hands on Crowley's back for example, but then he realized what he was doing, it scared him and he let go immediately. This earthly human thing scared him and when he realized that he actually tried to respond to this new thing, even if subconsciously (which is probably even worse than if he did it by his own will) he immediately put his hands away. It breaks me how much he's scared of the punishment, so much so, that he's trying to supress himself and his emotions and especially this new one.
@@БурневскаяМария Exactly! The whole scene where Metatron comes into the shop (notice he makes sure to come back in the second C leaves, I think so as not to leave him alone for a second and change his mind) you can see Aziraphale forcing himself to force down his feelings again and again and plaster a smile on his face.
This is a good observation! Crowley's kiss was violent. It was essentially an assault. Azi was not a consenting party and was NOT ready for this. Crowley's move was one of desperation, of laying it all on the line as a last hail mary (hahahaa) and see what happens... but really, because Azi was not ready for it, it amounted to an assault. And I like this from a storytelling perspective. Usually, in fiction, on TV and in movies, the violent-last-ditch-desperate-kiss WORKS. It's so not realistic, but we love watching it. Two characters argue, one says "f** it" and kisses the other, the other is first shocked, but then relaxes into and reciprocates. Yay, now we're all happy. But that didn't happen here. We don't get that happy ending. We get the more realistic (despite the fantasy aspect of the characters!) reaction -- Azi is first shocked, then sort of reciprocates when he puts his hands on Crowley's back, but then backs off and instead acts as though he has been assaulted rather than loved. This is how I've been thinking about it, but your addition to my thought process is that, indeed, this is the first time Azi has experienced physical passion (violent, consensual, or otherwise) and he is not able to cope with it. ESPECIALLY not at the same time as he's trying to cope with everything else happening right now. He's never allowed himself to actually think about physical romance with Crowley (or with anyone) and he's scared and confused and overwhelmed. Of COURSE he's going to start crying and close himself off and not reciprocate. He is SO not ready for it. I'd even suggest that Crowley's choice to kiss him at that moment just made things worse -- though story-wise, it was certainly necessary, since Azi now will start thinking about it at a conscious level.
@@heatherfyffe3618 I agree with your points. Yes, consent issues are involved here. It might well have made things worse though it seemed like Aziraphale's mind was made up. We can't know for sure if this was his first kiss, but somehow that's the impression I get, 6,000 years on earth or not. I think he chose heaven even after Crowley's confession possibly because that level of intimacy frightened him. I also think that he feels morally obligated to stop heave from killing humans (and angels) so routinely. I also think Metatron manipulated him by flattering his sense of pride and need for approval.
Very sad, and everything, but you know what hurts? Aziraphel saying: *"I forgive you".* He only say that when he feel Crowley make something that everyone would hate or never forgive, like a sin; but he is an angel, and he can't he angry or sad about it. He is obliged to forgive. Anyways, I love laughing at people who complicated his life XD
The "I forgive you" hurts so much because it a direct reminder to the "I forgive you" Aziraphale told Crowley in season 1. But in season 1, it was an answer to Crowley saying that he's unforgivable, a way to tell him that Aziraphale forgives him and love him anyways. But here, it's so devastating because it means that Aziraphale still hasn't moved on from Heaven's toxic influence. It's no longer a way to tell Crowley he loves him like he is, it means the exact opposite now, it means that Aziraphale thinks Crowley has to change. And damn it hurts !
This scene killed me.. I love Aziraphale as a character to bits, but this scene opened my eyes a bit. The fact that Aziraphale was given this chance but yet did not see how much of an insult it is to suggest that Crowley needs salvation and forgiveness in order to be with him is just.. heart breaking. The entire story has always been “we’re on our side” but in this moment you can see how Aziraphale looks at Crowley, the being that he so obviously loves, and says to his face that what he is, fundamentally, is evil. In this moment, he looks Crowley dead in the eye and basically says that what he is, and who he is, is not good enough. Heartbreaking.. utterly heartbreaking. Also that kiss.. hats off to Gaiman. He took the fan’s request and spun it into the most tragically symbolic moment of the entire 2 seasons.. That kiss held over 6,000 years of companionship and love, confirmed it, brought it to the surface.. but it was too late.
Yes, 100% agree, it's heartbreaking. I also think probably Crowley has a lot more backstory that we don't (yet) know about, I think that his fall was probably really hard, because he was the one who tried to change things before (when he asked questions) and he was probably really powerful and in a position to do it. Aziraphale has always been a lower ranking angel and has never 'had the chance' and I think that's also part of the reason why he hasn't learnt yet that both heaven and hell are all the same... I'm just trying to rationalize the heartbreak, am I?
@@obsessed93oooo that’s a good thought I hadn’t really pieced together. The entire s2 I thought Crowley was definitely the more powerful of the two (he’s always had some sort of edge over Aziraphale) but he must have been in a place of more power back in heaven. It’s cool to think that he was important and knows dirty secrets about heaven that Aziraphale never did, but hopefully in S3 we learn more along with Aziraphale!
@@Anakuya1I believe it was even hinted in the scene where Crowley and Muriel examine Gabriel's file in Heaven She said that only an angel of some rank (I do not remember which) can open that file and Crowley knew how to open it Edit: Muriel mentioned that the angel who could open this file had to be at least thrones or dominions
I can confidently say that nothing I've ever watched has brought me this much anguish and genuine heartbreak in, what, just over 3 minutes, just because of how much SENSE this scene has. You cannot ignore Aziraphale's reasoning as a victim of an abusive relationship with Heaven, and you can't deny that Crowley is right in that moment. It would be too easy to put the blame on Aziraphale for choosing such cruel words to describe Crowley and walking away. But, but then, he's not going back to Heaven, not really - in his mind, he's the reform. He's rebuilding it, so it can be a place for him and Crowley to live in, where Crowley's goodness could truly shine as pre-fall. When he says "Nothing lasts forever" he doesn't mean his love for Crowley will end, in fact, I think the major part of him saying yes to Metatron was motivated by his will to be somewhere safer than the Earth with Crowley. Aziraphale understands that they can't run away forever, because as long as there are forces Upstairs and Downstairs they'll be in danger. It's all just... AHHHHH this is a Greek tragedy level of misunderstandings.
Exactly when he said "nothing lasts forever" he didn't mean their relationship he meant the way they'd been living up to then. But Crowley took it as a rejection.
3:32 The look of pure heartbreak on Aziraphale's face as he's just barely stopping himself from yelling "no" after Crowley as he leaves is masterful. the touch of his lips with trembling fingers as he tightly holds onto his one and only moment of a dream that will never be, right before he locks it up tight.
I don't know why it makes me even sadder, but Crowley grabs Aziraphale exactly in the same way he did in season one when he was called nice I think it shows how much he already wanted to do this in season 1
It’s the exact same lapel grab! You know, you just know, that it had to have been a tactical choice to have Crowley do it again here. It’s Passion Intensified™️. It makes me so 😭😭😭
Yes, but with the the whole gravedigger story, it gives also a knew meaning for the lapel grip in season one: Don't call me nice, it will earn me a severe punishment in hell!! Aziraphael can do good wothout much repercussion, Crowley pays dearly for (detecte) good deeds. Azi is pretty unaware of much of it, also because Crowley hides most of it. they are traumatized in different ways of abbusive relationships, and don't knpw how to actually DO relationship. Azi sees everything as a temptaion he should withstand, and Crowley sees it as a weekness he souldn't show.
1:07 the fact that "just the two of us" is like a whisper when Crowley says it, like it's something too precious to say out loud, that's what broke me. I can't function anymore 😭😭😭😭
"Nothing lasts forever" SAYS THE ONE WHO WORE THE SAME OUTFIT FOR 180 YEARS. SAYS THE ONE THAT DIVERTED THE END OF EARTH. SAYS THE ONE WHOS HAD THE SAME HAIRCUT SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME.
AN ANALYSIS OF SOME OF THE LINES the first “tell me you said no” was angry. the second one was scared aziraphale meant “nothing lasts forever” as in them being on earth. the bookshop wouldn’t last forever crowley took it as ‘nothing lasts forever. not the bookshop, not us.’ “I don’t think you understand what i’m offering you” meant ‘i’m offering for us to be able to love each other safely’ and “I understand a whole lot better than you do” was a ‘I’ve spent the past 6000 years thinking I wasn’t good enough for you as i am, and i was right.’ “I forgive you” wasn’t aziraphale forgiving crowley for loving him, or saying that his love was sinful. It was aziraphale forgiving crowley for hurting him like that (from his perspective) “Don’t bother” wasn’t a ‘I don’t want your forgiveness’, it was a ‘I’m not deserving of your forgiveness and I know that’
Crowley always wanted him and aziraphale to be on "our side". Nothing and no one else. So i think "You can't leave this book shop" could mean "you can't leave ME"
Aziraphale has been conditioned to believe he isn't worthwhile, that his wants and feelings don't matter. It feels selfish to him to live a life loving just one person (even the love of his life); he feels he must love and help everyone. To prove his worth. When he invited Crowley, he thought he'd found a way to have both. But Crowley has found a sense of his own identity and doesn't need to prove himself. He isn't willing to abandon that sense of his own worth, even for his angel.
@@letolethe3344 I completely agree with you on that. But Crowley was horrified when he heard that Angel had accepted Heaven's offer. because Hell had offered him the same thing, but he refused for Aziraphael's sake. This broke Crowley's heart. he is willing to do literally anything for his angel, he is willing to give up everything just to be with him. and at one point he realizes that it is not mutual. I hope I've made my point. Sorry, English is not my first language.
@@ne_v_vostorge1363 Absolutely agree with you. It's very sad and I feel so much heartbreak and compassion for Crowley. I think we feel so strongly for him because in real life so many of us have experienced that in real life, where loving someone is outweighed by other factors like different values and goals. Aziraphale and Crowley both have different ways of living a meaningful life. Crowley's values tell him to love one other person (in a very selfless, admirable way) but Aziraphale feels obligated to help many people.
This is really the most perfect scene; they've been building up to this moment since the beginning of Season 1. It's not a whim to drive us mad, or even a ploy to drag out the relationship for ratings. It reflects where both Aziraphale & Crowley are as individuals right now; BOTH still need healing & growth. It's going to be glorious, eventually.
So true. In retrospect, it feels like it was such a long time coming. They met somewhere in their happy little middle at the end of season 1 because they saved the world after nearly losing one another, but not because they'd actually resolved their differences. Season 2 delves so much more deeply into Crowley and Aziraphale both as individuals and as a unit --- and I think that while upon the first viewing, the ending can feel like it comes out of nowhere, it's a lot easier to see upon subsequent viewings how fragile their dynamic is despite how much love they have for each other. They're in such completely different places emotionally, and they don't communicate properly.
Yes, and I think that many viewers expect that love is always enough. But they don't know how to DO realtionship. And they have been fucked up by their headoffices: Crowley thinks that it is a weakness, and he has been thought that showing weakness will get you hurt. Aziraphael is always trying to do the right thing, and he has been thought that everything from a demon is temptation, which he has to withstand.
What's really tragic is they both feel rejected here. Azi doesn’t understand why Crowley doesn't want to be an angel (like him) again and Crowley doesn't understand why what they have now isnt good enough for Azi. And now, even though he already told Metatron he doesnt want to go back to heaven, he's going anyway because his pride is a bit hurt at getting what he thought was a grand gesture rejected. But remember, this season was really influenced by pride and prejudice. Lizzie rejected Darcy's first proposal. This is only the first proposal for our ineffable husbands
note how Crowley puts ON his shades. they've always been armor. whenever he feels disconcerted, and needs to put emotional distance between him and something, it puts on his shades. that's why Hastur taking them off in the first season was such a violation. but he voluntarily takes OFF his shades in the bookshop. this is someplace he feels safe. no longer
This scene completely broke me and us all. The intensity was unreal. And it's once more the proof Michael and David are insanely great actors. They love their characters and they committed to all the series and to this scene so deeply. It has the intensity of a scene acted in theatre on a stage. I felt almost intruding. I hope they receive the praise and nominations and awards they deserve because honestly, it is impossible to snub their perfomance this time.
So many clever little things about this whole scene. Absolutely heartbreaking. ‘Tell me you said no!’ and we can see such despair in Crowley’s voice. And later when he starts his speech it’s obvious how hard it’s to say these words, how he’s forcing them out and how much he means it. And he puts on his glasses, so neither Aziraphale nor we can see his eyes till the end of the episode. I can imagine why. When he repeats ‘We could’ve been… us’ Aziraphale turns his head and I’m sure he’s got tears in his eyes. And the kiss is perfect. So desperate on Crowley’s part, and we can see Aziraphale puts both his hands on Crowley’s back. Truly horrible phrase ‘I forgive you’ completely not what Crowley expected to hear. So cruel, but so in character. ‘Don’t bother’ is the only possible response to that. And Crowley doesn’t know Aziraphale touches his lips with his fingers, probably trying to process what has just happened, what HE has done. I’m not sure watching this scene so many times is good for my mental health really.
I am laughing so hard at all the fragile hetero fanboys who were mocking us last season for asserting these two were in love. "THeY'rE jUsT bRoS bEiNg BrOs!" Hahahahahahahahahaha who's in denial now? Ooh they're gonna be so pissed. Delicious.
I remember when the GO season 2 final was the most painful thing that happened to us fans, then the first three episodes of OFMD s2 happened, then we slowly healed, thEN EPISODE 8 HAPPENED
Between being invested in these characters for 25+ years and the superb acting and writing, this scene broke me. I was an ugly crying mess at the end of it, and just can't believe that this is how the season ends. It feels like a dagger to the heart. Well played, Neil, well played. There better be a Season 3 😢
1:29 - In the Portuguese version, instead of just saying "Oh, Crowley... Nothing lasts forever", Aziraphale says "Oh, Crowley, _darling_ ... Nothing lasts forever", and I love this change with my whole heart.
I just broke my own heart all over again. I had started to forget how GUT WRENCHING this scene is and decided to watch it again. Ha ha ha. Joke's on me. Now im depressed again
I've watched this scene so many times (I love pain), and I've just noticed that just before he says "I forgive you", Aziraphale seems to say "I Lo..." I think he was going to say "I love you," but changed his mind (3:14). Just another layer of agony this show has brought me over the last few days ^_^
Some very heartbroken fans are being far too harsh on Aziraphale.... They've both got valid reasons for their choices with Crowley deciding he wants love and is ready to be selfish while Aziraphale isn't willing to give up on the world and desperately wants to change Heaven for the better. First season it was Crowley convincing Aziraphale to save the Earth. This time it's Aziraphale trying to convince Crowley. Like Nina, Aziraphale is coming out of an abusive relationship (in his case with Heaven) but this doesn't mean he's given up on the ideals he thought Heaven stood for. Also, Gabriel and Beelzebub's relationship is right there for comparison and it's one of equals, whereas Aziraphale has consistently been damsel in distress in his and Crowley's history. He's been unappreciated and insulted by his fellows for 6000 years. There's no way he's ready to be with Crowley just yet, not before he learns to have confidence in himself. These two could have resolved this so much more gently if they'd just communicated 😞
Don't forget, also Crowley has been in an abbusive relationship. Like N/M said: he doesn't trust anyone anymore. He is used to act tough, so he doesn't get hurt further. Azi got insulted etc., Crowley got punished by hell (see the gravedigger story), in was abandoned by heaven in the first place. So, they developped different coping mecanisms, and that0s one of the reasons their communication is so difficult.
When this happened there was an entire colony of people relocating into Neil Gaimans walls. I’m sure he probably awoke the following morning to an entourage of cars, boats and planes dropping people off and each of them entering a hole in his walls like tiny mice. The vision is utterly hilarious.
My heart actually felt like it was hurting after this. So long, wanting them to be together, no matter what, to only see them being pulled apart, is so devastating. They both deserve so much, they aren't who they are without the other and they need to be happy. They need each other and it feels scary that they won't, once Aziraphale goes up to Heaven. Because that means Crowley is left behind on earth without him as well. They are all the other one is used to and so desperately needs. I really hope they get a proper happiness or my heart won't feel good for them. I'm really hoping they do because they are the most amazing set of souls. Most beautiful. ❤
I must confess I never cared much for LGBTQ ships, nothing against them, just didn't care... But this left me broken, I totally loved these two and what they had, the "Nothing lasts forever..." line killed me. Now I pray to the proverbial God this doesn't end here, the horribly whimsical higher authority in this universe cannot be this cruel.
Amo demasiado a Neil Gaiman por haber armado una escena tan poderosa, con tanta dualidad; es lo que todos queriamos, es una gran confirmación de sus sentimientos por el otro, y a su vez es una escena tan dolorosa. Y ni hablar de la actuación de ambos, especialmente de Michael, me rompió el corazón sus expresiones, su voz, sus ojos.. Pinche escenota espectácular vdd de dios
I don’t think we give Azi enough credit for how confusing and taxing this interaction must have been for him. 1. The convo starts off with Crowley confessing he loves Azi in the most roundabout way possible but concludes what he wants to say with let’s run off and be together. 2. Azi proceeds to agree he DOES want to be with Crowley and he “knows” a safe way they can do that 3. Seconds later Crowley is bargaining with the bookshop (same one he was saying they need to run from) 4. Azi (in a roundabout way of course as these guys almost always do) says he willing to give up the bookshop if that means him and Crowley are safe to be together (something Crowley was just on board btw!) 5. Crowley (fairly) interprets the “nothing last forever” line as rejection and begins to leave, seemly abandoning the group of the two of them (just say COUPLE) in Azi’s eyes 6. Now it’s time for Azi’s “i need you!” which roughly translates to “i love you” but god forbid he actually say the words (no pun intended?) 7. “No nightingales” like woof. Low blow there. This is like whiplash going from “let’s run away like the lovers who we just witnessed doing that very thing” to “I don’t feel the love in the air between us like I once did because of what you’re trying to make me do” 8. Azi’s utter devastation and what I also believe to be guilt, finally speechless turning away to conceal his tears 9. The kiss borne out of pure desperation and instinct, a way to demonstration romantic love in a way Azi will understand (from all his books) since words continue to fail them 10. Finally Azi awkward response during the kiss followed by stuttering and breathlessness, clearly in shock and unable to decipher what to feel from all the conflicting signals he’s received. The “I forgive you” line? Could mean a lot of things but my headcanon is that Azi is protecting Crowley in some way by saying this. This was a much longer comment than I intended. Here’s hoping for softer kisses, clearer communication and some apology dances in season 3! [edited for spelling & some grammar]
Yeah, I think it's easier for a lot of people to side with Crowley because so many people identify with him, but the communication breakdown was on both of them, and I think Az felt just as hurt and betrayed as Crowley did. And I think he was confused because he couldn't understand why Crowley was rejecting this chance for them to finally be together without fear and judgment while also making Heaven a better place.
Just before kissing him (by yanking him violently around when he wasn't looking, which would scare anyone), Crowley called Aziraphale an idiot and lashed out at him in the most hurtful way possible. I can't blame Aziraphale for being hurt and angry.
I just realized aziraphale still doesn't know how awful everyone was in heaven when he was in Crowley's body. He did the swap because he knew hell was going to do something bad to Crowley, but he didn't know what heaven had in store for him.
I’m going to wait until the show officially ends so that I can know whether or not they end up together so that I can know whether it’s a temporary heartbreak or a complete break in the end.
@@sheamiller1576spoilers for the possible s3? Gaiman, the co-author, already confirmed that they’ll move in together in a cottage by the end. I assure you it’s a temporary heartbreak if we get enough people to watch it and s3 is green lit.
I think this is mostly correct but feel free to correct any mistakes :) C: Tell me you said no A: if im in charge i could make a difference C:oh..oh god right okay i didnt get a chance to say what i was gonna say so i think i better say it now right okay weve know eachother for a long time weve been on this planet for a long time i mean you and me i could always rely on you you could always rely on me were a team a group a group of the two of us and weve spent our whole existence pretending we arent i mean the last few years not really and i would like to spend- i mean it gabriel and beezlebub can do it go off together then we can just the two of us we dont need heaven we don't need hell there toxic! We need to get away from them just be and us what do you say? A:Come with me to heaven ill run it you can be my second in command we can make a difference C: you cant leave this bookshop A:Oh Crowley. Nothing lasts forever. C:No. No I don't suppose it does. Good luck. A:Good luck? Crowley! Crowley come back to Heaven! Work with me! We can be together! Angels... doing good! I... I need you! I don't think you understand what I'm offering you. C:I understand. I think I understand a whole lot better than you do. A:Well... then there's nothing more to say. C:Listen. Do you hear that? A:That's the point. No nightingales..You idiot. We could have been... us. (12 second kiss RHAHFHGH) A:I... I forgive you. C: dont bother. (Crowley leaves)
I’ve been saying that since 2014 😆I was getting into Neil’s work and the BBC radio did an audio dramatization. I was hooked in the first episode. And rushed to buy a copy of the book. Now OG book fans most have been saying this since 1990🤣
I wanna know that too! They mentioned that cuppa so many times, it's even in the summary for the episode. I dont think Azi drinks coffee other times either???
It's basic etiquette... offering something to eat/drink is a polite gesture and it inspires a polite response - especially considering that they aren't on speaking terms. Politeness was the way to go here to get to talk with Aziraphale. Also, just rewatch the Aziraphales and Crowleys earlier scene in the coffeeshop... that's just how he likes to drink it.
@@NopeFuckOff yeah, but there was a theory on Twitter that almonds were added to coffee for a reason (and there was an emphasis on this), but because some substances (remember how Crowley helped a girl under opium) can affect the state of an angel and a demon in the right dosage. I want to believe it, because I can't imagine such cruelty to Crowley from Aziraphale🥺
Okay but as sad as this scene is the way it is so VALIDATING for queer people we have been baited for years upon years and I was so scared we’d never get here and there’d be yet another “they’re friends but wink” queer couple but this kiss literally had me screaming and crying for about an hour
"the worst he could say is no"
Aziraphale: "I forgive you"
Way worse
That’s the worst possible answer you could get
I think "i don't forgive you" is worse
@@lucalapaglia3941 not really actually, it's way less condescending
@@lucalapaglia3941 I forgive you sounds like pity and rejection...
“Nothing lasts forever”
“No nightingales”
NEIL GAIMAN HATES US
he really does
Oh don’t be like this. Neil Gaiman has given us a gift of great beauty. Enjoy the drama of it all; feel the deliciousness of the human capacity for sorrow. You’re alive! This is fiction. Sink deeply into the emotions and revel in them. Embrace this, and look forward to the healing and joy in Act 3 (Season 3).
@@tigeechan2040 season 3's the bloody second coming I'm a bit worried how healing and joy it'll be
@@tigeechan2040 definitely this puts it all into a perspective! The show is extremely well done on all counts. I just really hope we do get a season 3!
I’m sorry, I’m not a native speaker and maybe that’s why but I don’t get why he said no nightingales what does it mean
I really feel like this scene really shows two very different but very real reactions to religious trauma. crowley is the Self Proclaimed Sinner. someone who's not necessarily happy about it but he's accepted he's "going to hell" and hates the cult/church he left. for these kinds nothing would be more horrifying than being asked or told to go back. it means going into the box of repression. Aziraphale is the one who was slowly cast out because of the cracks showing in their facade. this type can be harder for people to understand. they want to be loved by the cult/church still. they want to be welcomed back and told it's okay we forgive you. for aziraphale he's been heavily manipulated just moments earlier. given everything he's wanted. salvation and forgiveness for not only him but his dearest loved one. he assumes crowley wants that too deep down. he's of course very deeply and hurtfully wrong. it makes me angry with him, as an ex-cult member who's definitely more of a Crowley but I also understand him since I've seen loved ones who are Aziraphales and how hard it was for them to finally leave the love bombing and guilt tripping and manipulation. Neil Gaiman and I'm sure John Finnemore too created something so beautiful and tragic here that makes me feel so seen. this kind of fight is so true to life and heartbreaking. I truly hope we get to see more and get the conclusion of how Aziraphale breaks free.
"Love of my life, don't leave me
You've stolen my love
Do not desert me
Love of my, life can't you see?
Bring it back, bring it back
Don't take it away from me
Because you don't know
What it means to me
You will remember
When this is blown over
And everything's all by the way..."
"I think my exactly and your exactly are different exactlys"
Who else is still recovering from this and yet rewatching the scene for the millionth time anyway??? 😎✌️
I knew this season was gonna focus a lot more on their love when it introduced Maggie and Nina's future romance. Because Maggie and Nina are practically human versions of Azi and Crowley
it's sad but i think aziraphale has a point, maybe cos he wants to protect crowley from the danger or punishment he might facing by supporting heaven's side , even by having crowley hating him
since crowley has saved him more than aziraphale
aziraphale doesn't want to feel powerless to see himself fail at saving the demon he loves, doesn't want him to abandon the nice things crowley has had on earth just for the angel himself
please don't let this be the last scene between them
please let them kiss again in season 3
If it's gonna get violent tonight
Tell me you gonna be alright, you gonna be
It's an eye for an eye and I don't know if I want you to fight
Want you to fight
I'm losing my mind
Don't leave me behind
We need a bit more time
'Cause I don't want the world to turn without you
And I don't want the sun to burn without you
Yeah, I don't want the world to turn without you
And I don't want the sun to burn without you
You don't left to be the brave one every time
I know you wanna make it right, you wanna make
It's a lie for a lie and I'm getting tired on the other side
On the other side
I'm losing my mind
Don't leave me behind
We need a bit more time
Can you hear my cry, an old lullaby drifting through the sky?
'Cause I don't want the world to turn without you
And I don't want the sun to burn without you
Yeah, I don't want the world to turn without you
And I don't want the sun to burn without you
So won't you hold me now?
Hold me like I've never did anything to hurt you
Don't let go
Give me another minute to play here in your echo
I don't want the world to turn without you
And I don't want the sun to burn without you
Yeah, I don't want the world to turn without you
And I don't want the sun to burn without you
I don't wanna live a life without you
I will watch the world burn without you
💔
I must really hate myself if I'm STILL rewatching this scene
SAME
Same and I'm also listening to Taylor Swift (the really sad songs that aren't angry at all)
You know what? I’ve directly went for consolation after season 2 to Harly Quinn series.. ahah what a coincidence, love your profile picture :)
But same thing can’t stop rewatching this scene though it literally gives me a headache 🥲
SAME 😭
Yeah, I watched it too much bro….
It had to happen but...at the cost of my poor heart... :(
YES!!! I am so heartbroken after finishing the season yesterday. 💔 I'm so happy for this scene and everything, but how could they end it like this?!?
@@johnp.wintergreen5712 don't worry I heard there's going to be a 3rd season.
I know, but really?! They’re good together. Come on. Not fair. My poor heart is broken.
@@saylergirl23 Yes, my thoughts too. Love counts over everything!
@@fate3075
There better be!😡
Ending it like this would be a capital offense! 💀
Those first two lines: 'tell me you said no', they break me. The look on Crowley's face 😭😭😭
every single acting choice made by Tennant was absolutely impeccable i'm never getting over this
@@blancaherreroespana5035 I love rewatching several times scenes he's in in almost all of his shows, he has such a great ability to convey emotions with those micro expressions. He never plays plain sadness, anger etc... He always adds so much with his acting
@@giovannaargon9010 i've rewatched Broadchurch an unhealthy amount of times, although i think he's overshadowed there by Olivia Colman, but he's so good as Hardy 😭
@@blancaherreroespana5035 i so agree. David is so impeccable, it's insane.
I'm grateful for the glasses. The look on his eyes would break my heart to pieces😭
Crowley on the verge of tears, the cracks in his voice, Aziraphale saying, “Oh Crowley, nothing lasts forever” and “I forgive you” me, crying on the floor for thirty minutes after I watched this scene for the first time
The whole thing is giving me brokeback mountain (war) flashbacks
I haven't cried this much since I watched Brokeback Mountain😭😭
profile picture twin, hello!
@@lokist wait you’re right
Me too sista. I'm squealing and crying after watched it.
Browsing for hours, seeking for happy ending in fanart or fanfiction :')
I'm not crying, I'm just cosplaying a waterfall 😭😭😭😭
WHYYYYY AZIRAPHALE WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY
This
@blamgleek it's been nineteen hours, and I've now stopped cosplaying a waterfall. But now my pillow has filed a noise complaint due to my screaming into it.
probably because of religious brainwashing and a deep desire to do anything to protect Crowley + earth but idk
Never heard that one before XD
It's for season three only
A demon opening his heart to an angel, having it broken right then and there and putting his guard back up by putting on the glasses.... breaks me every time.
I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE I SEE SO MANY PEOPLE ANGRY AT AZIRAPHALE!!!! Guys. Aziraphale and Nina are the same. They are mirrors. They are BOTH coming out of abusive relationships. The difference? Nina got out, and Aziraphale hasn't yet.
When we meet Aziraphale in the beginning of Season 1, his thoughts on Heaven are... complicated. He loves his life on Earth, but he also regards heaven as the "Good Guys" because that's what he's always been told.
That aside, we also see that he exhibits behaviors of someone who has been mentally and verbally stripped down by others and is seeking any approval he can get to feel as if he's loved by them.
Essentially: Aziraphale is in an abusive relationship with heaven.
Now does that mean it's a good thing he went back to them? No. Not even close. But it is realistic. After 6000 years, he's finally gotten the approval he was seeking from "his side". His judgement is clouded by the euphoria of wanting so badly for these people to just accept him that he's willing to go to extreme lengths to step into their embrace.
And inevitably, he will learn that this is not where he needs to be.
He'll learn that their love is conditional, just as the love that he's learned to dole out is conditional. That he's too human for them. That he wants to love unconditionally. That he's worth more.
But these are all things he must learn on his own.
Had Aziraphale stayed behind, there would be a chance that at the first sign of acceptance, Aziraphale would have left Crowley.
And that would have been even more devastating than this.
Crowley never needed the time to grow because he rejected the doctrines outright. He didn't enjoy being an Angel because they never let him ask questions. He didn't enjoy being a Demon because they claimed he wasn't allowed to love. He rejected both because he saw them as the hypocrites they were.
Aziraphale needs to learn all of this.
But he needs to do it on his own.
He needs to grow. To regret. To leave Heaven on his own terms.
I'm glad he went back to heaven. Because when he realizes his mistake, he can truly begin fighting for Crowley with nothing, not even himself, standing in his way.
Oh my god girl you could not have put it in a better way, 100% 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I agree with your assessment, but I also wonder why Crowley thought that leaving Aziraphale alone with the Metatron, one of the leading members of the institution that abused him, was such a good idea, especially after he was shown to be so protective over the guy who tried to cast him into Hellfire.
oh... this healed me a little. thats a very good take, s2 ended so spectacularly that it definitely carves a path for s3
@@ThePrincessCH My guess, honestly, is that he trusts Aziraphale. He always has. And that's the tragedy in all of this. He trusted that Aziraphale trusted him back. He put his whole heart on the line. He handed it over and hoped, at the bare minimum, that they could go back to being how they always were. But he wanted love. He wanted to finally admit that Trust Me was always meant to be as good as a confession. And he didn't get that far. Because Crowley had hoped Aziraphale had learned. But he hasn't. Not yet.
That's also what I think will make the largest impact in Season 3. Crowley has been fighting for them for so long, but he's never said anything. He's been too terrified to lose. But now he's lost. The gloves are officially OFF. These two can say what they mean, and Aziraphale can begin regaining that trust with Crowley again.
The mirror thing made sense. I didn't think about that and now that you mentioned it I can totally see it
Now I need a rewatch
Crowley's mask was his sunglasses, and Azi's defense was, "I forgive you." It's his wall.
Very good!
I finally realized that on my ten millionth rewatch last night lol. Crowley was putting his walls back up. 😭
I watched this clip with my four year old and she went, “that’s weird.” So I asked her how and she said, “he left the shop without following him.” She thought Aziraphale should have followed Crowley out. See Aziraphale, even a four year old thought you should have made your feelings more clear
That's so sweet and so sad at the same time...
That’s so sweet. The kids are gonna be alright
I am sorry if this is true, but since your child is for, I am calling for Rebecca!
😭😭😭
From the mouths of babes
You know what I realised after this season? Crowley loves the universe. He loves everything so much that he can’t fathom destroying it. He wouldn’t kill Job’s goats and children, he wouldn’t let the office staff accidentally kill each other after replacing their paintball guns with actual guns, and he was against the apocalypse from the start. The only times he killed was to save Aziraphale from the French Revolution and the Nazis. He questioned ending the universe as an angel, and outright stopped it as a demon. He’s loyal to no side, only Aziraphale.
Aziraphale only agreed to save it after Crowley convinced him that to thwart the Antichrist was in Heaven’s best interests. Crowley doesn’t see himself as a demon really because he didn’t really fall, just sauntered vaguely downwards, and he outright refuses to be on Heaven’s side. Aziraphale has always seen himself as an Angel. On the side of good. He has always seen the world in black and white. In Edinburgh, he originally saw grave digging as a sin, but considered it completely necessary after finding out what the bodies were used for. No grey area, just good or bad. And he thats why he offered Crowley a position in heaven, because he saw the things they did together as purely good so by his logic he must truly be an angel at heart, hence him insisting that deep down he’s a nice person. He loves Crowley, no doubt about it. But I think he currently loves the idea of Heaven more.
Unless of course the Metatron did something to his coffee, in which case ignore everything I just said.
I think the Metatron did something because near the end of the credits Aziraphale was smiling, which seems odd given how he and Crowley ended things.
@@ThePrincessCH some people speculate that Azi was ready to decline Heaven offer at the lift. However, when Metatron mentioned 2nd coming and heaven's plans, Azi got curious and wanted to know the details and make a plan. Hence, that is why he was smiling, like he is having advantage
I loved your comment, it is basically what I think for these characters. Really I am totally agree whit this devastated final, because Azira is Azira, a fool and innocent angel, and is his charm.
I think that coffee theory can be a excuse for the trama of the next season (an last help for another way for the guion?) But is interesting the act, Azira smile why?
Pd: I am traumatic for this serie and by the way practicing my english :D I hope that text is understandable
I don't think it's a matter of loving heaven, but aziraphale fundamentally believes in doing good, and he thinks that if he was in charge of heaven he would be able to protect Crowley AND earth.
I agree with eveything you wrote, except one thing. Aziraphale loves the idea of Heaven, but I think he also loves the idea of Crowley and... well, not Crowley. Or at least at a conscious level. Aziraphale doesn't fully accept Crowley for what they are (aka someone who doesn't belong to Heaven, but at the same time doesn't 100% belong to Hell either). Aziraphale keeps insisting that Crowley is actually good because he doesn't love them for what they are (for now), they love the IDEA of Crowley
I can’t stand to see Michael sheen cry it just breaks my heart. And David tennant played that moment beautifully. So help me god there better be a season three and they better be together!
I hate watching Micheal cry it’s gut wrenching
@@gothrockfairy yes! I mean David tenant is hot but Michael sheen has my heart forever. His smile could melt a polar ice cap, and you can’t help but love him. He’s so adorable as az and equally adorable as himself. but like I said I can’t stand to see him sad, just want to give him a big hug. 😍😍😍😍😍
@@gothrockfairy IKR. In particular, when he plays Lucian in Underworld: Rise of the Lycans (2009), it features some of the most horrifically realistic grief acting I've seen on film to date. It was heartbreaking enough to watch him cling to his last moments with Sonja before her inevitable demise, but his screaming when she actually dies...f*ck, it still hurts. 🐺💔
I always think Michael Sheen has the face of an angel. When I saw him played a scary-sexy werewolf/lycan in 'Underworld: Rise of the Lycans', I remember I was thinking he looked like a fallen angel. And I am right😁.
And isn't Aziraphel the cutest thing in the entire show? You're right, Azi's smile could melt a polar ice cap. Crowley acts badass and scary all the time, but could never refuse Aziraphel's requests. Whenever Azi asks Crowley for something (with that cute smile and big eyes), everything goes, even his beloved Bentley😂.
@@tiararoxeanne1318 absolutely. Michael sheen is just so adorable. even in interviews and stuff you just can’t help but love the man. I mean if I was asked who my favorite was between Michael and David in front of them I would have no choice but to declare Michael king haha I love his smile and his eyes I mean how could you not and my heart just breaks in a thousand pieces to see him cry. I just want to comfort him haha
The sad part is that you can clearly see Aziraphale's hand pressing against Crowley's back, wanting to accept and maybe even kiss back. And, on top of that, when the kiss breaks, he was about to say "I love you" but cut off and said "I forgive you". That was his way of saying "I love you, but I can't".
(I'm not crying, I'm cosplaying the rain-😭😭😭😭)
underrated comment. no one else picked up on these it seems.
I know right?! It was so heartbreaking to see! 😭😭
Was he gonna say that, though? I didn't get that from that scene. Just looked like he was grappling hard with his feelings for Crowley and his blind obedience to heaven, hence why he went into full angel mode when he said that line. He knows he loves him, but thinks the only way they can be together is if Crowley turns back into an angel.
Man the tenth doctor predicted this lol
i’m pretty sure he actually started to say “again” like “kiss me again” but he couldn’t bring himself to🙁
If they go off together, season 3 will be them drinking tea, kissing, gossiping about the neighbours.
Hot chokolate 😊
And I'd have watched every millisecond of it with great pleasure.
I need it
In a south downs cottage
I think that's what we all wanted though, LOL
I have never screamed so hard at a show before...
THIS 😱 My poor flatmates probably thought I was dying or throwing a tantrum in the other room when I watched the last episode.
Same
Try Killing Eve
0:43 The tears in "We spent our existence pretending that we aren't." 0:51 His voice breaking when he starts "And I would like to spend-" followed by the growl to clear his throat to not cry right then!!! Crowley! Darling!
oh what i would do to be able to watch crowley's face when he said "and we've spent our existence pretending that we aren't"
David Fricking Tennant ❤
I ADORE david tennant's acting almost solely based on his delivery of this monologue. IT IS. SO GOOD
David's acting during these moments you mentioned are absolutely incredible. He actually brought me to tears.
I wish we could have heard him say I would like to spend the rest of our time / eternity with you 😢
The part that really kills me is when hes about to say 'i forgive you' but right before you can hear him say "i lo-' like he was so ready to confess his love for Crowley and just couldn't
holy shit, you’re right
You're right bruuuh 😭
kdjskdjsfjsksfskdj dont do this to me😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
HE LITERALLY SAID "I lo-..ve..-
I forgive you"
I'M CRYING I CAN'T
I’m inconsolable
Forwarding my therapy bills directly to David, Michael, & Neil. 😭😭😭
Same bro same
They're gonna go broke with the amount of therapy they'll have to pay
The reason why Gabriel and Beelzebub were able to go off to Alpha Centauri is because they’re selfish. They didn’t want to work, they didn’t want to deal with another Apocalypse, and they didn’t want to protect the humans. All they care about is themselves and each other. It’s romantic, but selfish, too. Meanwhile Aziraphale’s willing to give up everything he loves - his bookshop, his food, even Crowley - just to save the earth. He wants to make heaven into the good place it should’ve been and he wants Crowley to finally be happy *with* him. Crowley’s depressed even at the beginning of the season before anything happened. The only time he was actually happy was as an angel smiling, creating the stars etc. Aziraphale just wants to see that smile again.
This is a good point, people are mad at Aziraphale (understandably so) for trying to "change" and "save" Crowley who doesn't want to be saved, but in the very beginning of the season we see Crowley as an angel and Aziraphale having a huge crush on him already (lol). He has probably romanticized those times and thinks he can have them back. It's naive, but also relatable.
Selfish? Perhaps but I think what it really comes down to is that in finding each other, they found something more worthwhile than their work.
I politely disagree and I think it isn’t fair comparing the couples. Aziraphale has always been more loyal to heaven and because of that has been blinded by its faults. He has religious trauma and it will take time for him to work through that. Meanwhile you are forgetting once Gabriel disagreed on Armageddon 2.0 the other archangels were going to not just demote him but, erase his memory. If he and Beelzebub were to stick around they would still be targeted.
You literally have Nina and Maggie as Aziraphale and Crowley parallels. Nina with her toxic girlfriend and Aziraphale with heaven’s toxic mindset/ Metatron
They decided on not wanting another Apocalypse before they fell in love, and they left for Alpha Centauri because the option was punishment and separation. Also, they both realized they could be easily replaced.
I think one of the things that hurts the most is that they both so desperately want the same thing (to be together) but can’t agree on how to accomplish this goal in a way that isn’t ripping the other apart…
Well-said! I agree.
Yes, Azi sees it as a temptation he has to withstand, and Crowley sees it as a weakness he shouldn't show.
I am obsessed with the fact that Crowley is the more human of the two. He couldn't kill the goats or Job's kids, he has spent his entire fallen existence doing the LEAST for hell because he loves humanity more. He introduces Aziraphale to food and all sorts of tempting human delights, causing him to love this life on Earth too. He introduces him here to a more human notion of physical love in a last desperate attempt to keep him there. He absolutely does understand more than Aziraphale, he understands he is in love and that they've been played by both heaven and hell.
Aziraphale no doubt loves Crowley but doesn't know how to process or even express that because he is still so tied to heaven and his angelic identity. I don't think he even realizes it's romantic love he feels for Crowley. He thinks he is doing the right thing because it's all he knows.
I'm sick, I am unwell. I will never recover. Neil what have you done to me...
i'm also obsessed with the fact that the most menacing and evil moments of Crowley happen when (we think) he's directly following God's wishes (killing the goats and the kids).
Also notice how Crowley incites Azi to do the morally right things instead of following orders without questioning.
@@blancaherreroespana5035 Also whenever he tries to do anything genuinely malicious it always comes back to bite him (the freeway and the phone lines from season 1)
It's also rather telling that the first scene we see Crowley in this season is him being amazed and awestruck by the nebula he's just created. Crowley doesn't just love humans. He loves ALL of creation
@@hfar_in_the_sky he's so cute
Nina: "My relationship just ended. I am not ready to start another one yet - I'd just be a rebound mess. I can't start seeing Maggie. When I'm ready, I hope she'll be there but there isn't a guarantee,"
Maggie: ("Yes there is")
Nina: "You're not helping Angel"
- Nina and Maggie's relationship is a reflecting metaphor and message - hold out hope and trust in the Gaiman, the ineffable husbands ain't over yet...
...AND DAMMIT DEMAND AMAZON RENEW FOR SEASON 3
I think the saddest thing about this scene is it shows that despite how much Aziraphale loves Crowley, and how much he’s seen and been through all these years, he’s still clinging to this notion of good vs evil and can’t fully accept that Crowley is a demon.
It’s a slap in the face to Crowley for sure, whose only real “transgressions” have been the audacity to question authority and to support life and freewill. And Aziraphale gets to see that first-hand, over and over again, while also witnessing how twisted the so-called "good guys" can be. Then Crowley spends pretty much the entire season bending over backwards to take care of Aziraphale, only for Az to turn around and and try to convince him to give up everything he is and stands for --- to go back to the place that essentially forsook them both. Meanwhile, Az's whole argument pretty much suggests he still views Crowley as inherently lesser or in need of forgiveness simply because of what he is.
Definitely shows Az hasn't broken free of Heaven's grip and has a long way to go. I understand his point about wanting to make a difference, but I personally think he's being a bit naïve in terms of how far he thinks his influence will go and he isn't entirely prepared for what he's about to get himself into.
I'm so optimistic for season 3. Az will finally see the truth and be the one to do the apology dance to Crowley. I have to believe in that because my heart is absolutely shattered to pieces currently. 😂😭
His naivety isn't much of a surprise though. When Crowley invited him to stay with him, Aziraphale expressed how "[his] side" wouldn't like the idea and this was after they punched him in the gut when they confronted about his hidden agenda.
@@ThePrincessCH Oh yeah, I made a note of him being naïve, but I didn't think it was a surprise either. Aziraphale, I think, has always been a bit prone to being idealistic and seeing the things he wants to see rather than what's there.
I would kind of tweak a few of my previous points though. I've decided I don't think Aziraphale views Crowley as lesser so much as he sees how good Crowley truly is and believes there's no reason he shouldn't be, and shouldn't want to be, reinstated as an angel. He still views Heaven as the "good" side, but I think he is also able to acknowledge that it's flawed and sees an opportunity to make things better. He believes giving Crowley back his title is a part of that fix, and contrary to my previous comment, I do think he is genuinely thinking of Crowley's needs and not just his own. Rather, he's misguided because that's not what Crowley needs. And where Crowley goes wrong is that he fails to effectively communicate WHY that isn't what he needs.
Just kind of wanted to add that in somewhere because my original comment was based on initial impressions that have shifted slightly.
Just a note or two: 1. I still get the impression that Crowley never told Aziraphale what, exactly, went down in heaven when they Switched. It was to protect Aziraphale from the grief, I'm sure, but it does him no favors here because Aziraphale doesn't know the nastiest part of the story.
2. This is very much a parallel to the "I'm going back to my toxic ex" romance story beat. Down to "I can change them" and "they said things will be different this time". Either it won't go how he thinks, or it won't go how HEAVEN thinks. Aziraphale can be JUST as holier-than-thou as Gabriel ever was. And in his own way, could end up making heaven even worse because he is not the hypocrite Gabriel was; his idealism borders on zeal at times and he can be completely uncompromising. Especially if he's compensating for missing Crowley.
@@HT-wn3ehhahaha I had the exact same thought about the apology-dance as you. 😂 I bet that we'll really get see that in S3. 😆 As sad and depressing that ending is, it's necessary in the long run to tell the whole story I think. There are still lessons to be learned. 🤔 Per aspera ad astra. 💁♀️
I come back to this scene cause Tennant acting is incredible: he delivers his lines with the same anxiety of a kid's first confession AND someone who kept it a secret for centuries, all while effectively getting across how difficult it would be for a demon to articulate their feelings properly.
Yea know, i never really considerd, just how deep Azi was in heavens cult. Azi has fought with Crowly time and time again. But the second Heaven offers him to be on there side, he chooses one over the other. Jeeze, even Gabriel and Bee, the 2 enemys of last season, realized “Yeeeaaaah our lives r more improtant together than at eachothers throughts” To see Azi be so ignorant and willing to rejoin the same cult that tried to KILL him, just shows how much Azi needs to learn. even after the kiss, he said “i forgive u” HE STILL follows heavens rules instead of his own! Crowly isnt on Heaven or Hells side, hes on lifes side. Azi needs to see the difference, and hopefully will.
We can't wait for another 4 years 😭
I think part of what convinced him to return to heaven is that Metatron made it seem like he wouldn’t have to choose between heaven and Crowley and he was very naive and just believed it.
@@Elisasmileygirl yeah, in the end, Heaven is on Heavens side. Not anyone elses. Heck they were about to basically kill Gabriel (mentally) when he disagreed on something! does he really believe they wont jump at the chance to do the same to him once he steps out of there ever thinning line?
Yea they were even saying he could have Crowley with him and then less than a minute later insulting Crowley over his questions
i really feel like aziraphale was influenced or kinda brainwashed somehow, something happened between him and megatron whatever his name is that we didn’t see, because i refuse to believe azi would abandon crowley and hurt him this bad especially when he was questioning heavens morals throughout this season i might be delusional but i refuse to believe he would choose heaven over crowley :(
*Kicking, sobbing, screaming, ugly crying* My therapist will know about this 😭
I spent my whole therapy appointment today talking about it!
Sheen and Tennat always play Aziraphale and Crowley superbly. But Crowley's last speech is… PERFECT. So deep and intense. Tennat has outdone himself. I wonder when Aziraphale will realize that Crowley doesn't need to go back to heaven, he just always has it inside him. And only when they are together do they really make a difference.
You know how powerful and heartwrenching this scene is when you see hundreds of people discussing it with such passion and intensity - and I really enjoy reading all of your thoughts on that. It just shows that Neil Gaiman is a master in his craft and David Tennant and Michael Sheen are a hell (pun intended!) of actors!
“tell me you said no!!”
the pain in his voice i-
"group of the two of us"
hit me hard first time I watched. you can tell he wanted to say couple but didn't dare to.
The sheer blunt force head trauma that this scene gave me is indescribable
To me it looked like Aziraphale was going to say something else before he said "I forgive you." I think the kiss was his first taste of passion, rather than strictly love, and I think it terrified him, with its concentrated, intense feeling--the fact that physical passion is so bodily, so real. They're not the same and don't always go hand in hand, though very often they do. I think this kiss activated feelings and responses he'd been laughing off or suppressing for years and he couldn't take it in all in a moment. It can be hard to take in when we are loved in that focused, intense way. Hard to feel we're worthy, and hard to accept that gift, in a way, which might feel too big or too strong to bear. It's very humbling, and scary, to take on someone's love, lest we find out we're not worthy of it, or not good at loving back, or we hurt the one who loves us. When we're loved in that way, it demands of us attention, responses, openness, time, vulnerability, all of which can be frightening.
Yes! Agree! You could see how that frightened him when he at first tried to kiss back or at least react somehow. When he put his hands on Crowley's back for example, but then he realized what he was doing, it scared him and he let go immediately. This earthly human thing scared him and when he realized that he actually tried to respond to this new thing, even if subconsciously (which is probably even worse than if he did it by his own will) he immediately put his hands away. It breaks me how much he's scared of the punishment, so much so, that he's trying to supress himself and his emotions and especially this new one.
@@БурневскаяМария Exactly! The whole scene where Metatron comes into the shop (notice he makes sure to come back in the second C leaves, I think so as not to leave him alone for a second and change his mind) you can see Aziraphale forcing himself to force down his feelings again and again and plaster a smile on his face.
This is a good observation! Crowley's kiss was violent. It was essentially an assault. Azi was not a consenting party and was NOT ready for this. Crowley's move was one of desperation, of laying it all on the line as a last hail mary (hahahaa) and see what happens... but really, because Azi was not ready for it, it amounted to an assault. And I like this from a storytelling perspective. Usually, in fiction, on TV and in movies, the violent-last-ditch-desperate-kiss WORKS. It's so not realistic, but we love watching it. Two characters argue, one says "f** it" and kisses the other, the other is first shocked, but then relaxes into and reciprocates. Yay, now we're all happy. But that didn't happen here. We don't get that happy ending. We get the more realistic (despite the fantasy aspect of the characters!) reaction -- Azi is first shocked, then sort of reciprocates when he puts his hands on Crowley's back, but then backs off and instead acts as though he has been assaulted rather than loved. This is how I've been thinking about it, but your addition to my thought process is that, indeed, this is the first time Azi has experienced physical passion (violent, consensual, or otherwise) and he is not able to cope with it. ESPECIALLY not at the same time as he's trying to cope with everything else happening right now. He's never allowed himself to actually think about physical romance with Crowley (or with anyone) and he's scared and confused and overwhelmed. Of COURSE he's going to start crying and close himself off and not reciprocate. He is SO not ready for it. I'd even suggest that Crowley's choice to kiss him at that moment just made things worse -- though story-wise, it was certainly necessary, since Azi now will start thinking about it at a conscious level.
@@heatherfyffe3618 I agree with your points. Yes, consent issues are involved here. It might well have made things worse though it seemed like Aziraphale's mind was made up. We can't know for sure if this was his first kiss, but somehow that's the impression I get, 6,000 years on earth or not. I think he chose heaven even after Crowley's confession possibly because that level of intimacy frightened him. I also think that he feels morally obligated to stop heave from killing humans (and angels) so routinely. I also think Metatron manipulated him by flattering his sense of pride and need for approval.
PRIME YOU BETTER MAKE A SEASON 3 OR ILL DIE SAD. Why can't I have one ship end well?! Plz....😭
or murder the entire team whoever couldn't make the happy ending 😂
@@guysandlove6069 maybe it's not happy because it's not the ending
Very sad, and everything, but you know what hurts? Aziraphel saying: *"I forgive you".* He only say that when he feel Crowley make something that everyone would hate or never forgive, like a sin; but he is an angel, and he can't he angry or sad about it. He is obliged to forgive.
Anyways, I love laughing at people who complicated his life XD
The "I forgive you" hurts so much because it a direct reminder to the "I forgive you" Aziraphale told Crowley in season 1. But in season 1, it was an answer to Crowley saying that he's unforgivable, a way to tell him that Aziraphale forgives him and love him anyways.
But here, it's so devastating because it means that Aziraphale still hasn't moved on from Heaven's toxic influence. It's no longer a way to tell Crowley he loves him like he is, it means the exact opposite now, it means that Aziraphale thinks Crowley has to change. And damn it hurts !
Brilliant analysis of three simple words! Thank you for sharing that.
@@tigeechan2040Thank you so much for your comment ! It really makes my day 😊
Yes!!!! This!!!
A poll: What hurts worse; the broken “you idiot, we could have been…US” or a bitten off “I lo…” turning into the most damning “I forgive you”? 😭💔
I think his anger got the better of him. He felt C was rejecting him, just like all the angels in heaven.
In fact you can't think of one single sentence in this scene that doesn't violently kill you
I torture my self watching this in loop
Yeah me too
Same. Its the 9th time ive watchted it. Certainly not the last tho
idem
This scene killed me..
I love Aziraphale as a character to bits, but this scene opened my eyes a bit.
The fact that Aziraphale was given this chance but yet did not see how much of an insult it is to suggest that Crowley needs salvation and forgiveness in order to be with him is just.. heart breaking. The entire story has always been “we’re on our side” but in this moment you can see how Aziraphale looks at Crowley, the being that he so obviously loves, and says to his face that what he is, fundamentally, is evil. In this moment, he looks Crowley dead in the eye and basically says that what he is, and who he is, is not good enough. Heartbreaking.. utterly heartbreaking.
Also that kiss.. hats off to Gaiman. He took the fan’s request and spun it into the most tragically symbolic moment of the entire 2 seasons.. That kiss held over 6,000 years of companionship and love, confirmed it, brought it to the surface.. but it was too late.
I couldn’t have said it better myself 😭😭
Season 3 please
Yes, 100% agree, it's heartbreaking. I also think probably Crowley has a lot more backstory that we don't (yet) know about, I think that his fall was probably really hard, because he was the one who tried to change things before (when he asked questions) and he was probably really powerful and in a position to do it. Aziraphale has always been a lower ranking angel and has never 'had the chance' and I think that's also part of the reason why he hasn't learnt yet that both heaven and hell are all the same...
I'm just trying to rationalize the heartbreak, am I?
@@obsessed93oooo that’s a good thought I hadn’t really pieced together. The entire s2 I thought Crowley was definitely the more powerful of the two (he’s always had some sort of edge over Aziraphale) but he must have been in a place of more power back in heaven. It’s cool to think that he was important and knows dirty secrets about heaven that Aziraphale never did, but hopefully in S3 we learn more along with Aziraphale!
@@Anakuya1I believe it was even hinted in the scene where Crowley and Muriel examine Gabriel's file in Heaven
She said that only an angel of some rank (I do not remember which) can open that file and Crowley knew how to open it
Edit: Muriel mentioned that the angel who could open this file had to be at least thrones or dominions
If you start watching at 11:57:04 on December 31st, they kiss at midnight on New Year
0:04 same, Grandfather Clock, same ☹️
“I forgive you..” “don’t bother” THAT HURT😭😭
I can confidently say that nothing I've ever watched has brought me this much anguish and genuine heartbreak in, what, just over 3 minutes, just because of how much SENSE this scene has. You cannot ignore Aziraphale's reasoning as a victim of an abusive relationship with Heaven, and you can't deny that Crowley is right in that moment. It would be too easy to put the blame on Aziraphale for choosing such cruel words to describe Crowley and walking away. But, but then, he's not going back to Heaven, not really - in his mind, he's the reform. He's rebuilding it, so it can be a place for him and Crowley to live in, where Crowley's goodness could truly shine as pre-fall. When he says "Nothing lasts forever" he doesn't mean his love for Crowley will end, in fact, I think the major part of him saying yes to Metatron was motivated by his will to be somewhere safer than the Earth with Crowley. Aziraphale understands that they can't run away forever, because as long as there are forces Upstairs and Downstairs they'll be in danger. It's all just... AHHHHH this is a Greek tragedy level of misunderstandings.
Exactly when he said "nothing lasts forever" he didn't mean their relationship he meant the way they'd been living up to then. But Crowley took it as a rejection.
3:32 The look of pure heartbreak on Aziraphale's face as he's just barely stopping himself from yelling "no" after Crowley as he leaves is masterful. the touch of his lips with trembling fingers as he tightly holds onto his one and only moment of a dream that will never be, right before he locks it up tight.
He mouthed "don't go" 😢
I don't know why it makes me even sadder, but Crowley grabs Aziraphale exactly in the same way he did in season one when he was called nice
I think it shows how much he already wanted to do this in season 1
It’s the exact same lapel grab! You know, you just know, that it had to have been a tactical choice to have Crowley do it again here. It’s Passion Intensified™️. It makes me so 😭😭😭
Yes, but with the the whole gravedigger story, it gives also a knew meaning for the lapel grip in season one: Don't call me nice, it will earn me a severe punishment in hell!! Aziraphael can do good wothout much repercussion, Crowley pays dearly for (detecte) good deeds. Azi is pretty unaware of much of it, also because Crowley hides most of it. they are traumatized in different ways of abbusive relationships, and don't knpw how to actually DO relationship. Azi sees everything as a temptaion he should withstand, and Crowley sees it as a weekness he souldn't show.
@@karinsch3347 this is also very true!
@@karinsch3347 Yes, it's not "I am a demon, I am not nice", it is "I am a demon, it is dangerous for me to be nice."
Perfectly put.@@justlettheraincome
1:07 the fact that "just the two of us" is like a whisper when Crowley says it, like it's something too precious to say out loud, that's what broke me. I can't function anymore 😭😭😭😭
"Nothing lasts forever" SAYS THE ONE WHO WORE THE SAME OUTFIT FOR 180 YEARS. SAYS THE ONE THAT DIVERTED THE END OF EARTH. SAYS THE ONE WHOS HAD THE SAME HAIRCUT SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME.
AN ANALYSIS OF SOME OF THE LINES
the first “tell me you said no” was angry. the second one was scared
aziraphale meant “nothing lasts forever” as in them being on earth. the bookshop wouldn’t last forever
crowley took it as ‘nothing lasts forever. not the bookshop, not us.’
“I don’t think you understand what i’m offering you” meant ‘i’m offering for us to be able to love each other safely’
and “I understand a whole lot better than you do” was a ‘I’ve spent the past 6000 years thinking I wasn’t good enough for you as i am, and i was right.’
“I forgive you” wasn’t aziraphale forgiving crowley for loving him, or saying that his love was sinful. It was aziraphale forgiving crowley for hurting him like that (from his perspective)
“Don’t bother” wasn’t a ‘I don’t want your forgiveness’, it was a ‘I’m not deserving of your forgiveness and I know that’
Crowley always wanted him and aziraphale to be on "our side". Nothing and no one else.
So i think "You can't leave this book shop" could mean "you can't leave ME"
Aziraphale has been conditioned to believe he isn't worthwhile, that his wants and feelings don't matter. It feels selfish to him to live a life loving just one person (even the love of his life); he feels he must love and help everyone. To prove his worth. When he invited Crowley, he thought he'd found a way to have both. But Crowley has found a sense of his own identity and doesn't need to prove himself. He isn't willing to abandon that sense of his own worth, even for his angel.
@@letolethe3344
I completely agree with you on that. But Crowley was horrified when he heard that Angel had accepted Heaven's offer. because Hell had offered him the same thing, but he refused for Aziraphael's sake. This broke Crowley's heart. he is willing to do literally anything for his angel, he is willing to give up everything just to be with him. and at one point he realizes that it is not mutual.
I hope I've made my point. Sorry, English is not my first language.
@@ne_v_vostorge1363 Absolutely agree with you. It's very sad and I feel so much heartbreak and compassion for Crowley. I think we feel so strongly for him because in real life so many of us have experienced that in real life, where loving someone is outweighed by other factors like different values and goals. Aziraphale and Crowley both have different ways of living a meaningful life. Crowley's values tell him to love one other person (in a very selfless, admirable way) but Aziraphale feels obligated to help many people.
"Nothing lasts forever" oof, thats the entire line of thinking you stopped last season.
This is really the most perfect scene; they've been building up to this moment since the beginning of Season 1. It's not a whim to drive us mad, or even a ploy to drag out the relationship for ratings. It reflects where both Aziraphale & Crowley are as individuals right now; BOTH still need healing & growth. It's going to be glorious, eventually.
Perfectly put.
So true. In retrospect, it feels like it was such a long time coming. They met somewhere in their happy little middle at the end of season 1 because they saved the world after nearly losing one another, but not because they'd actually resolved their differences. Season 2 delves so much more deeply into Crowley and Aziraphale both as individuals and as a unit --- and I think that while upon the first viewing, the ending can feel like it comes out of nowhere, it's a lot easier to see upon subsequent viewings how fragile their dynamic is despite how much love they have for each other. They're in such completely different places emotionally, and they don't communicate properly.
Yes, and I think that many viewers expect that love is always enough. But they don't know how to DO realtionship. And they have been fucked up by their headoffices: Crowley thinks that it is a weakness, and he has been thought that showing weakness will get you hurt. Aziraphael is always trying to do the right thing, and he has been thought that everything from a demon is temptation, which he has to withstand.
Gaiman wouldn't leave them on a downer ending permanently, it would be rude to Pratchett.
Eventually, things will be better.
What's really tragic is they both feel rejected here. Azi doesn’t understand why Crowley doesn't want to be an angel (like him) again and Crowley doesn't understand why what they have now isnt good enough for Azi. And now, even though he already told Metatron he doesnt want to go back to heaven, he's going anyway because his pride is a bit hurt at getting what he thought was a grand gesture rejected.
But remember, this season was really influenced by pride and prejudice. Lizzie rejected Darcy's first proposal. This is only the first proposal for our ineffable husbands
When they had the whole of eternity and still find the worst moment
note how Crowley puts ON his shades. they've always been armor. whenever he feels disconcerted, and needs to put emotional distance between him and something, it puts on his shades. that's why Hastur taking them off in the first season was such a violation. but he voluntarily takes OFF his shades in the bookshop. this is someplace he feels safe. no longer
I think Crowley is going to wear his shades next season until he trust Aziraphale once again
its been half a year why am i still here
ITS CONFIRMED THAT AZIRAPHALE’S LOOK AFTER THE KISS MEANS “DO IT AGAIN” HE WANTED CROWLEY TO KISS HIM AGAIN SO HE COULD KNOW HOW TO FEEL IM DYING
This scene completely broke me and us all. The intensity was unreal. And it's once more the proof Michael and David are insanely great actors. They love their characters and they committed to all the series and to this scene so deeply. It has the intensity of a scene acted in theatre on a stage. I felt almost intruding. I hope they receive the praise and nominations and awards they deserve because honestly, it is impossible to snub their perfomance this time.
So many clever little things about this whole scene.
Absolutely heartbreaking.
‘Tell me you said no!’ and we can see such despair in Crowley’s voice. And later when he starts his speech it’s obvious how hard it’s to say these words, how he’s forcing them out and how much he means it.
And he puts on his glasses, so neither Aziraphale nor we can see his eyes till the end of the episode. I can imagine why.
When he repeats ‘We could’ve been… us’ Aziraphale turns his head and I’m sure he’s got tears in his eyes.
And the kiss is perfect. So desperate on Crowley’s part, and we can see Aziraphale puts both his hands on Crowley’s back.
Truly horrible phrase ‘I forgive you’ completely not what Crowley expected to hear. So cruel, but so in character.
‘Don’t bother’ is the only possible response to that. And Crowley doesn’t know Aziraphale touches his lips with his fingers, probably trying to process what has just happened, what HE has done.
I’m not sure watching this scene so many times is good for my mental health really.
I spend my existence pretending that I don't know all the lines by heart right now
I am laughing so hard at all the fragile hetero fanboys who were mocking us last season for asserting these two were in love. "THeY'rE jUsT bRoS bEiNg BrOs!" Hahahahahahahahahaha who's in denial now? Ooh they're gonna be so pissed. Delicious.
They're like "it feels odd" "it takes away from the story" and "destroys the camaraderie" 💀
@@ZS-gd9zh The heteros are upseteros 😂
Aziraphale doesn't want to make Crowley good enough for heaven, he wants to make heaven good enough for Crowley.
We’re at the point where watching this makes me feel better after watching Izzy die lmao
I remember when the GO season 2 final was the most painful thing that happened to us fans, then the first three episodes of OFMD s2 happened, then we slowly healed, thEN EPISODE 8 HAPPENED
Between being invested in these characters for 25+ years and the superb acting and writing, this scene broke me. I was an ugly crying mess at the end of it, and just can't believe that this is how the season ends.
It feels like a dagger to the heart.
Well played, Neil, well played.
There better be a Season 3 😢
this entire scene is so perfect. They both are amazing actors
MASOCHISTS UNITE!
1:29 - In the Portuguese version, instead of just saying "Oh, Crowley... Nothing lasts forever", Aziraphale says "Oh, Crowley, _darling_ ... Nothing lasts forever", and I love this change with my whole heart.
Daves and micheals acting was so good im actually shaking
I just broke my own heart all over again. I had started to forget how GUT WRENCHING this scene is and decided to watch it again. Ha ha ha. Joke's on me. Now im depressed again
I've watched this scene so many times (I love pain), and I've just noticed that just before he says "I forgive you", Aziraphale seems to say "I Lo..." I think he was going to say "I love you," but changed his mind (3:14). Just another layer of agony this show has brought me over the last few days ^_^
i heard it too 😢😢
He said that
Whenever I see them two it reminds me of them showing their paintings to themselves.
Some very heartbroken fans are being far too harsh on Aziraphale.... They've both got valid reasons for their choices with Crowley deciding he wants love and is ready to be selfish while Aziraphale isn't willing to give up on the world and desperately wants to change Heaven for the better. First season it was Crowley convincing Aziraphale to save the Earth. This time it's Aziraphale trying to convince Crowley. Like Nina, Aziraphale is coming out of an abusive relationship (in his case with Heaven) but this doesn't mean he's given up on the ideals he thought Heaven stood for.
Also, Gabriel and Beelzebub's relationship is right there for comparison and it's one of equals, whereas Aziraphale has consistently been damsel in distress in his and Crowley's history. He's been unappreciated and insulted by his fellows for 6000 years. There's no way he's ready to be with Crowley just yet, not before he learns to have confidence in himself. These two could have resolved this so much more gently if they'd just communicated 😞
Don't forget, also Crowley has been in an abbusive relationship. Like N/M said: he doesn't trust anyone anymore. He is used to act tough, so he doesn't get hurt further. Azi got insulted etc., Crowley got punished by hell (see the gravedigger story), in was abandoned by heaven in the first place. So, they developped different coping mecanisms, and that0s one of the reasons their communication is so difficult.
Hello masochists
Hello 😛
Imagine how difficult it is to be Tennant's wife. This man has heartbreaking chemistry with anything that moves. Even a bloody wooden blue box.
They are crazy in love and have five kids, I'm sure they are fine 😂
This scene broke me but I must say, they’re both such INCREDIBLE actors!!🥲
When this happened there was an entire colony of people relocating into Neil Gaimans walls. I’m sure he probably awoke the following morning to an entourage of cars, boats and planes dropping people off and each of them entering a hole in his walls like tiny mice. The vision is utterly hilarious.
I have a love hate relationship with Neil Gaiman. Because he made Good Omens but he also made Good Omens
What is the difference between angels and demons in this series? Propaganda. Propaganda and choices.
My heart actually felt like it was hurting after this. So long, wanting them to be together, no matter what, to only see them being pulled apart, is so devastating.
They both deserve so much, they aren't who they are without the other and they need to be happy. They need each other and it feels scary that they won't, once Aziraphale goes up to Heaven. Because that means Crowley is left behind on earth without him as well. They are all the other one is used to and so desperately needs. I really hope they get a proper happiness or my heart won't feel good for them. I'm really hoping they do because they are the most amazing set of souls.
Most beautiful. ❤
I must confess I never cared much for LGBTQ ships, nothing against them, just didn't care... But this left me broken, I totally loved these two and what they had, the "Nothing lasts forever..." line killed me.
Now I pray to the proverbial God this doesn't end here, the horribly whimsical higher authority in this universe cannot be this cruel.
Amo demasiado a Neil Gaiman por haber armado una escena tan poderosa, con tanta dualidad; es lo que todos queriamos, es una gran confirmación de sus sentimientos por el otro, y a su vez es una escena tan dolorosa. Y ni hablar de la actuación de ambos, especialmente de Michael, me rompió el corazón sus expresiones, su voz, sus ojos..
Pinche escenota espectácular vdd de dios
I'm not sure the amount of time I have rewatched this is healthy...
You are not alone
@@timey8260Glad I'm not the only one who like to suffer!
The acting in this scene from both of them is phenomenal.
I love angst but damn this hurts. I’m going to rewatch until they confirm Season 3. Eventually the pain will numb or at least I hope so.
I don’t think we give Azi enough credit for how confusing and taxing this interaction must have been for him.
1. The convo starts off with Crowley confessing he loves Azi in the most roundabout way possible but concludes what he wants to say with let’s run off and be together.
2. Azi proceeds to agree he DOES want to be with Crowley and he “knows” a safe way they can do that
3. Seconds later Crowley is bargaining with the bookshop (same one he was saying they need to run from)
4. Azi (in a roundabout way of course as these guys almost always do) says he willing to give up the bookshop if that means him and Crowley are safe to be together (something Crowley was just on board btw!)
5. Crowley (fairly) interprets the “nothing last forever” line as rejection and begins to leave, seemly abandoning the group of the two of them (just say COUPLE) in Azi’s eyes
6. Now it’s time for Azi’s “i need you!” which roughly translates to “i love you” but god forbid he actually say the words (no pun intended?)
7. “No nightingales” like woof. Low blow there. This is like whiplash going from “let’s run away like the lovers who we just witnessed doing that very thing” to “I don’t feel the love in the air between us like I once did because of what you’re trying to make me do”
8. Azi’s utter devastation and what I also believe to be guilt, finally speechless turning away to conceal his tears
9. The kiss borne out of pure desperation and instinct, a way to demonstration romantic love in a way Azi will understand (from all his books) since words continue to fail them
10. Finally Azi awkward response during the kiss followed by stuttering and breathlessness, clearly in shock and unable to decipher what to feel from all the conflicting signals he’s received. The “I forgive you” line? Could mean a lot of things but my headcanon is that Azi is protecting Crowley in some way by saying this.
This was a much longer comment than I intended. Here’s hoping for softer kisses, clearer communication and some apology dances in season 3!
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Yeah, I think it's easier for a lot of people to side with Crowley because so many people identify with him, but the communication breakdown was on both of them, and I think Az felt just as hurt and betrayed as Crowley did. And I think he was confused because he couldn't understand why Crowley was rejecting this chance for them to finally be together without fear and judgment while also making Heaven a better place.
Just before kissing him (by yanking him violently around when he wasn't looking, which would scare anyone), Crowley called Aziraphale an idiot and lashed out at him in the most hurtful way possible. I can't blame Aziraphale for being hurt and angry.
I just realized aziraphale still doesn't know how awful everyone was in heaven when he was in Crowley's body. He did the swap because he knew hell was going to do something bad to Crowley, but he didn't know what heaven had in store for him.
I’ve never even watched this show and I’m so damn invested!
It’s so good, you should watch it
I’m going to wait until the show officially ends so that I can know whether or not they end up together so that I can know whether it’s a temporary heartbreak or a complete break in the end.
@@sheamiller1576spoilers for the possible s3?
Gaiman, the co-author, already confirmed that they’ll move in together in a cottage by the end. I assure you it’s a temporary heartbreak if we get enough people to watch it and s3 is green lit.
I think this is mostly correct but feel free to correct any mistakes :)
C: Tell me you said no
A: if im in charge i could make a difference
C:oh..oh god right okay i didnt get a chance to say what i was gonna say so i think i better say it now right okay weve know eachother for a long time weve been on this planet for a long time i mean you and me i could always rely on you you could always rely on me were a team a group a group of the two of us and weve spent our whole existence pretending we arent i mean the last few years not really and i would like to spend- i mean it gabriel and beezlebub can do it go off together then we can just the two of us we dont need heaven we don't need hell there toxic! We need to get away from them just be and us what do you say?
A:Come with me to heaven ill run it you can be my second in command we can make a difference
C: you cant leave this bookshop
A:Oh Crowley. Nothing lasts forever.
C:No. No I don't suppose it does. Good luck.
A:Good luck? Crowley! Crowley come back to Heaven! Work with me! We can be together! Angels... doing good! I... I need you! I don't think you understand what I'm offering you.
C:I understand. I think I understand a whole lot better than you do.
A:Well... then there's nothing more to say.
C:Listen. Do you hear that?
A:That's the point. No nightingales..You idiot. We could have been... us.
(12 second kiss RHAHFHGH)
A:I... I forgive you.
C: dont bother.
(Crowley leaves)
seeing david tennant kiss a man 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
They make cute couple
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING SINCE FUCKINF 2019.
I’ve been saying that since 2014 😆I was getting into Neil’s work and the BBC radio did an audio dramatization. I was hooked in the first episode. And rushed to buy a copy of the book.
Now OG book fans most have been saying this since 1990🤣
I have only one question that may answer everything.
Why Metatron really want Aziraphale to drink coffee?
I wanna know that too! They mentioned that cuppa so many times, it's even in the summary for the episode. I dont think Azi drinks coffee other times either???
It's basic etiquette... offering something to eat/drink is a polite gesture and it inspires a polite response - especially considering that they aren't on speaking terms. Politeness was the way to go here to get to talk with Aziraphale. Also, just rewatch the Aziraphales and Crowleys earlier scene in the coffeeshop... that's just how he likes to drink it.
@@NopeFuckOff yeah, but there was a theory on Twitter that almonds were added to coffee for a reason (and there was an emphasis on this), but because some substances (remember how Crowley helped a girl under opium) can affect the state of an angel and a demon in the right dosage.
I want to believe it, because I can't imagine such cruelty to Crowley from Aziraphale🥺
@@bunnyseahorseallied It seemed strange to me that Metatron even emphasized the name of Nina's cafe…
I think he put something into it because near the end of the credits, Aziraphale was smiling which seems odd given how things ended with Crowley.
Okay but as sad as this scene is the way it is so VALIDATING for queer people we have been baited for years upon years and I was so scared we’d never get here and there’d be yet another “they’re friends but wink” queer couple but this kiss literally had me screaming and crying for about an hour
Azi: I just told you about my plan about coming to Heaven
Crowley; Okay, YeAHhHH, Right.
Azi: ...
Crowley: NOW MY COnFEsSIOn--