Are light EMTB’s for everyone? | Understanding the Tech
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2024
- There is a lot of choice in the world of electric mountain bikes, but the light weight EMTB class is often misunderstood.
As a taller and heavier rider, Doddy has generally run full power bikes - but is now a convert on the ultra minimal TQ lightweight system.
In this video Doddy share his thoughts on why the lower powered motor system works so well for him.
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TQ for the win. I have the Trek Fuel EXe and i love the TQ system
I’m proud owner of one of these bikes. It puts literally a permanent smile on my face while riding my Neat RR SL. Great bike
Hey Doddy, just wanted to say that your switch to Mondraker and your passion for the Raze made me buy one and I'm absolutely in love.
Regarding the light eMTB, I´m still not there, but I´m 100% sure that it will be the future for me! Thanks for your great work! Cheers
Just purchased a Dune XR…game changer, a new level of fun. Love it.
I have the Trek Fuel EXE and absolutely love the TQ system, one massive advantage of this system also Doddy is that the motor carries an IP67 waterproof rating which is a rare find compared to other motors which makes it perfect for UK conditions 👍
Yep 100%. You know well how bad the last winter was - I really can't fault the TQ for my needs. I'm sure it will develop in time, but as it is - I really love it.
I'm with you on this Doddy , the Raze and the Neat are my favorite Mondrakers
Nice to see you back in action, Doddy! Really enjoy your videos and I am also a happy owner of Mondraker bike.
Hey Doddy, great content as always. I recently attended a Mondraker demo day and tried the Crusher RR for the majority of the time and had a quick blast on the Neat RR SL I think it was a great bike but coming off a full fat e-bike it felt so underpowered. I was in the wrong mind set so I’m now going to get booked in for another tester of the Neat, this time with an open mind. 👍🏻
I have a crafty and a Neat and it is a different bike but I will take the Neat for everything, I am going to Dyfi in 2 weeks and tempted to take it over the Superfoxy as its just so plush and nice to ride! I have had to change how I peddle to get the most out of it though and have a battery extender for ard rock
Professor Doddy has resurfaced! Subscribed brother! 😂
Ah thanks!
Good to see you Doddy. The bike looks great but also very impressed with your solo creator skills.
Good to see you Doddy..... I need to investigate Mondraker further 😁
It doesn't look like an ebike. 👌
And it's silent 😍
After riding my Trek Rail for a few years now and loving it, I bought a Trek fuel exe for a great deal with the same motor as yours and now I’m falling back in love with putting effort in!
That NEAT is easily the best looking e-bike out there....I'd have mine in black..ha!
great choice!
Great video.
I bought 2 Neats, for my girlfriend and me. :) Unfortunately there are not frames available in Switzerland, so I bought 2 Neats RR SLs, and then teared them down to replace the cockpit, dropper, wheelset, main sprocket etc. to get it down to below 17 kg which I somewhat failed to achieve but at least it is still a proper Enduro bike with Code Ultimate Brakes etc. since the level was sooo frightening. The TQ50 is amazing, I know the company for electronics (one of our customers for 20+ years) since a long time and I have worked in electric power steering motor control so I know the topic. The power is absolutely sufficient even for me in the alps if you have a basic fitness.
One more thing: I have tested it in Lenzerheide, Switzerland, againt a Orbea Rise and a Pivot Shuttle AM. Both my buddy and I didn‘t liked, at all. Although I ride a Pivot firebird normally. The Neat was fun to ride. The travel is just enough to ride everything around and we tested it on a black trail there in Lenzerheide. The suspension platform is really good. There are some details on the bike I would change, e.g. the internal cable routing is a bit complicated and it would be helpful to have preinstalled pipes, as well as that I would use a different chain ring (woolthtooth for TQ) instead of the one installed with spide and ring since it saves you 100g. Wheelset is okay but could be lighter. The installed brakes where something which really was frightening to ride with. They are lighter, yes, but next time they should use either the Codes or Hayes or something which enough power and modulation. What really pisses me off is the placement of the rear brake caliper in a way you cannot reach the screw for the brake pads without a special shotened allen key. This is something which is really ridicules. I don‘t know what the design team thought deciding this but this is quite annoying. The rest is okay. Ah, and a ICSG5 compatible bash guard would be great. ;)
I felt the same as Doddy.
I'm about the same weight (tho more cake based) so figured I'd just overwhelm a low power bike.
I've now demoed Most of the Whyte range over the last few years and have come to the same conclusion.
The 180 in XL was a weapon, an absolute tank that just remained planted. It was stupidly quick but totally useless for the rides we do.
The 160 and 150 both in Large, my normal size, were similar although the 150 was the new 24 version.
Both had good power, the 150 very much a spin to win for the motor but as a ride (in my hands) it felt heavy and cumbersome on flow trails.
The spinning to get thrust also meant I was always in too high a gear to get a boost out of slower corners or too low on faster parts and then getting too much torque. I'm sure as you learn the bike you'll change into the right gear during a run but on my T130, I hardly ever change gear mid run.
The 140 in XL then, a revelation! It felt like it had as almost as much power as the 150 on the fireroad climb but it delivered it better and went faster for the same effort ( tyres and a few kg lighter? )
On the flows it just did, it was agile and fun. I was doubling a small set of rollers that I can't do on my lighter T130,
I haven't been able to point any of the bikes at a steep tech climb but then I don't do those and I have no doubt in the right gear and spinning away the 140 would do just fine.
I might not as much range as a fitter lighter rider but I'll get more than I do on my normal bike.
In short if enjoying trails with playful bikes is your thing rather than enduro bashing, then these bikes are for you.
Just because a motor means you can over bike doesn't mean over biking is the right way to go.
I'd like the try the Neat for the same reason I really wanted to try the E140.
👍Nice with Mondraker is that you can by a frameset of these two nice SL bikes and built your own Dreams bike😅.
I would choise this Mondraker Neat and put on a 170mm Öhlin RXF36 fork, Roval carbon wheels and XTR group set😁.
I started with a Canyon spectral ON 9.0 2019 that I put a Öhlin 170mm coil front and rear.
Next bike was a Orbea Rise M20 (rs 60Nm) carbon, that I rebuilt to XTR, DT swiss 1200 carbon wheels, Öhlin RXF36 170mm on the front and 216x63mm Öhlin STX22 on rear.
My Next bike became 2 pc Specialized SL 1.1 frame kit, when was half the price when the new 1.2 came out. This bikes is similar with XTR, Roval/Dt swiss, but one have a Fox Factory 36mm/170mm fork and teh other one have Rockshox Lyrik Ultimate. This is the Dream bike that I drivning most of the time😂.
I had to tyr a Full power Emtb, so I bough one Yamaha moro that I'm now waiting for the Öhlin RXF36 170mm fork, the Fox Factory coli 216x63mm damper and some Marvic Deemax PRO Sam Hill Alu mullet wheelset, the XTR comes later😋.
I put XTR 10-45T with a chort cage on all of my 5 Emtb😉
That sounds like a dream bike! And love your thoughts on what you would choose, and what you have chosen!
Our stock bikes have what we think are the best all round choice of components to suit the bikes - but I would still like to do some cool alternative style dream builds!
Light-ish weight E-MTB is definitely the way most of us (>40y) enjoy the most of the trails. But more important: where are those trails?!
So owning a 7 yo Merida hardtail with a 100mm fork which is still going well, I feel like I should be guilty for still riding it, but the thing is I still enjoy it, I don’t see the reason to purchase another bike when this one hasn’t let me down ( yet ) 😊
I like 120-130mm short travel trail bike just tune the rear on suspension sag but lately i move to coil 130mm just balance the rebound and poppiness
Love everything about the bike except for the 16.5k aud price tag
Да, это лучшее сочинение когда ты хочешь чтобы велосипед выглядел как велосипед, а не какая то непонятная машина. Я выбираю такой вариант, он больше подойдет для повседневных прогулок и не частых выездов в горы 🏔️. 👍🏻☀️
I would have this bike if it was a mullet and also I do love the tq motor because it’s quite and also I need more travel. Haha. So, when I saw the dune I actually ordered it and love the bike. Still learning about e bike tho.
Same, all 'playful' bikes need to be mullet. I would have the neat but looking at the dune.
Light weight EMTB's for me ride so much better than the full fat ones and this Mondraker Neat is a really good looking bike!
Can I test ride in BC?
Live outside of Whistler / Squamish
Might be best to check with Outdoor Gear Canada. Pretty sure they have a dealer in that area.
the non removable battery is always the deal breaker for me. whether I need to have more than 2 bike on my car bike rack, charging it on vacation or simple have another bigger size for really long day trips - the fixed battery is not ideal. But they are great looking bikes. At that point I am going for function instead of form 🙂
my dreambike +working horse is my Dune w 18kg, perfect geo,great SXmotor,amazing superenduro- discover the secret trails inAlgarve- JONYS E BIKE TOURS
but the price.............
I would love this bike but for me those displays are deal breaker. Only good display in market is Specialized TCU, bright, small, versatile. No other brand had come even close yet.
I’ve risen both and while the digital displays seem like they would be the way to go at first, these basic LED displays are way better. The Bosch LED display is fantastic. It has all the info you need at a glance without being distracting.
@@OscarHernandez-xx2jeIts not as usefull and its like from 2010. That is the only bad thing on Bosch. But I hope it will get better with new generation.
Doddy ya bugger, you’ve made me buy a (very good deal) ‘23 Foxy🤷🏻♂️ it’s all your fault.
Why would you need electric motor with that gearing?