Are There Great eBikes Under £4,000? |
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- In this month's #AskEMBN Tech Clinic, Steve Jones takes a look at a mix of questions including whether you can get a great eBike for under £4000, whether you can change your battery size, and touches on the thorny issue of derestricting EMTBs...
⏱ Timestamps ⏱
0:43 - Can I upgrade from a 500Wh battery to a larger one in my Trek Powerfly 7?
2:38 - Are there any decent eBikes under £4,000?
6:45 - What eMTB would you recommend for a beginner?
10:27 - Has anyone actually had any issues from de-restricting their e-Bike?
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When will get none lithium base battery which are lighter,safer , cheaper.
Sooo I’m also thinking of returning to mountain bike and I think I’d use an EMTB a lot more even commuting and taking away with my camper , the Autoshift or free shift (still a bit foggy on the difference between these two, would be great I live in rural Devon which even my home city plymouth is very hilly and pretty steep in places, I’ve worked out a partial off road route to work which will keep me away from traffic on some roads too, but realistically which is the more affordable bikes available with automatic shifting please, hard or soft tail , but leaning more towards soft tail as I think having an EMTB would also make me more up for longer off road road mix exploring
@@ceriway380 non lithium vs none
The Yamaha Moro is a great buy.
I bought a Ghost E-ASX 160 ESSENTIAL full suspension a year ago and I love it! got it for €4,200, coming from a Giant Trance this is a great improvement and definitely a blast. I go riding almost every day in the hills near Barcelona and the stopping power is superb its got Shimano XT disc brakes and a bosh cx motor with a 625 Wh battery.
Luna x2, from California, is $3950 right now, shipped in USA. Carbon frame, bafang motor, seems like it hits the sweet spot!
For eMTB under 4000 I'd say definitely go full suspension. I converted a nice riding hard tail 29r to a mid drive eMTB and the extra weight without suspension made it a brutal harsh ride. Extra speed and unsuspended weight really beat the tar out of me and the bike - actually shook things loose on the bike that had never come loose before and that was just a couple rides on fairly tame XC trails just to test it out. Ended up putting smooth pavement tires on it and using it for greenway rides.
TLDR I got a Giant Trance E+ Pro 29er 20mph (usa version)
My Batribike Delta Plus (1 x 10 Deore drivetrain and Rockshox Judy TK upgrade) does the job brilliantly. Even with the long-range battery and computer as options it all came in at under £3k...
I bought a cannondale moterra neo 3 for less than 4k great bike 750w battery bosch motor good spec can't go wrong really.
That Stance is definitely worth checking out and you can upgrade as you go including all the way up to 800WH battery. I will tell you your not really going to get a good full suspension EMTB for 2 grand but you don't have to spend 6 either. STEVE commuting to work with my restricted EMTB is killer! Although if someone gave me a Santa Cruz Nomad I'd ride that.
Thanks Steve! More of your adventure with Ady please! He is not telling me everything hahahah
For the sub 4k ebikes , im still riding my 2019 giant fathom and it was only 2k for a hardtail , sadly i didn't have the budget for the full suspension at the time but no regrets so far.
Only thing i changed was : 1. I upgraded front suspension from the crappy suntour to a roxchox pike for 450€ and 2. changed to shimano brakes for 80€.
Only thing that would make this bike more amazing would be a little bigger battery. Maybe i can send it in to renew the cells for bigger ones and upgrade the 400wh stock battery for something around 600wh. As a new original battery costs over 800€ and refurbishment + upgrade only 350€
My Haibike Allmtn 2was Sub 4 Grand until Haibike Changed Battery from 630 to 720
I bought a 2021 giant trance e+2 in 2022 which was a ex demo with 40 miles on it for £3500 instead of £5500 so if your patient and keep and eye out there’s deals out there. I’ve also upgraded to the 800w battery which is great.
Where did you purchase the 800w battery, I think it's the same fitting as my Stance (2020)
Right now on sale $4K, Giant Stance E+1 Pro Yamaha sync pro motor 85 NM, 800 watt battery 140, 130 travel, seat drop post and better display, Giant service and retailers everywhere. I just purchased one😅
I build lightweight 20kg E-MTB with Bafang M820 75Nm and 720Wh battery for only $3950. Very good geometry, enduro capable and motor performance on par with EP8.
EU speed restrict limit is too damn low compared to the US. When are they going to say it.
The Dengfu e10 frame with Bafang m600/m510 is a great bike easily below 4k.
seriously thinking about building one myself!
And m600 is 1000w overpowered motor lol... crazy right
@@konanoobiemasterme too. Been thinking about ir for a couple weeks
I just got a GasGas G Trail 2.0 it £4k and is honestly a fantastic bike. Yamaha PW-ST is a great motor
Is the Gasgas also great for allround use or on flat paved surfaces (from time to time) or is it’s geometry made for trails?
@patrick.771 despite the trail name, it's a great all-around bike. They do have a G Enduro series that are a bit more heavy-duty, but they're more than I'll ever need
@@jackstewart7664 thanks! that helps a lot ... I'm looking for an all-around bike and the GasGas looks good and price is also good ...
I love my giant fantom e+pro 29er £3600 hardtail with air forks.
Cab be a bit of a gamble, but as many people buy second hand cards, why not spend 4K (or less) on sesond hand ebike. Basically the same price as a reasonable second hand car!
Polygon Collosus NE. $4999 US. I have last year's model and is a great bike!
2020 model purchased in 2021 new Cannondale Moterra Shimano E7 525w battery Sun and Ski $4200 great EMTB I’ve put over 1300 miles on it no issues I can get 65 miles on eco mode ,45 on trail and 35 on boost (on afull charge ) I never need boost
Nope I can’t seem to see your “link below” to increasing the battery size on the 2019 Trek Powerfly
I went with a Trek Powerfly 4 FS 🇨🇦 and that was largely based on the same idea on an entry price point. Plus another deciding factor was having the availability of service and support at hand if something comes up they are common around this side of the pond
The Powerfly 4 FS is a great bike. Only the motor noise is a bit on the louder side there (for my taste).
im looking at the trek powerfly 5
@@patrick.771 it has the bosch CX motor so I don’t think it really changes on that noise scale as it’s across the board. It’s not offending but I haven’t seen a Trek Fuel so maybe that’s the category to be in ? Whirling of a motor comes with the ebike But I find that if you go faster and the wind in your ears looks after it 😁
@@AnthH13792 I think you’ll be happy with the build quality and the support from Trek was what I liked when I had an issue that was promptly addressed. would I love to have a Rail or another higher quality bike? Sure but the price for a first entry into this sport gets up there quick! In the end I’m not a Pro biker like the hosts but this channel helped me navigate a lot of the business of finding the right bike for me.
I love my trek powerfly 4
my thought is.. its hard to pull the trigger on these expensive bikes its like the Apple computer >your bike will be outdated with new tech faster, auto shift, combined gear hubs, smaller motors with bigger batteries, lighter bikes.. all in a couple years.. 🥺🤷♀
Is that not the same for almost all technology these days..🤷♂️
That's alright, after 2 yrs when the warranty runs out the motor will crap out anyway because a couple water drops got inside. (ok I'm exaggerating, but still...)
Talking about under £4000.00 specialised levo carbon is just under now is this a good bike and you did not mention the broze motor are they any good ? Keep the good work up
Road restrictions are ridiculous, I haven’t heard of any here in the us this far
Ah, the slab!!!!😂
I'd wait until later on in the year, just before new models come out, they put the old models on sale. I bought a 2023 model Mondraker Crafty R last august, so was the current model still, on sale for £3699 it had over £2k off the RRP.
It's a good idea, especially if you're not average size which usually go first.
I ride the Decathlon All Mountain Stilus v2. I can’t praise this bike enough for the money I paid. It takes me everywhere I want to go and down some insane trails. Bosch CX motor is a beast and works great.
Is it that one with the gold/brown color? I've watched videos where they say one needs 63-64° head & 77° seat angle, longer reach and 450mm chainstay or shorter, the Stilus has 66° and 70° seat angle and a much longer chainstay 485mm or so. Forks and damper are so basic, I don't know how all these ride in practical though because, that's a whole nother conversation. Lastly, what kind of trail do you ride, what riding style, skill level and don't you miss not having fork and damper lockouts and you have to stop to adjust those things?
@@Sir-Kay yes it’s the gold/brown one. I am not much into facts a figures I am afraid. I’m 6’3” and on the heavy side. This bike has more than enough power to take me on fire trails as well as highly technical single trails. The specs on mine are more than fine to begin with and you can always upgrade later down the road. The suspension is great and good quality for the price, again something that can easily be upgraded later on.
For the price I am more than happy with it, forest road, trails and rocky décents it takes it all with me on it…
Don’t not expect to get on any e-bike and expect it to be perfect. It took me over a month to get my suspension, tyre pressure and the bike in general setup for me. Over 800kms ridden in under a year and loved every minute of it…
@@chrisfr2286 being 6"3 like myself, I'm 115kg do you think the 35mm stanchion is and the other basic damper dampened the downhill section good enough or it was sketchy and hard to keep in straight lines?
@@Sir-Kay we are about the same size and weight and I have no issues with downhill sections of my weekly ride. The main down hill section is a stoney and rocky fire road that I can reach 45-50kph on an the bike remains stable. As I said before once the suspension is set up to what you are happy with its great. The Rockshox are great though it took me while to get the front tuned in and getting balance between suspension pressure and tyre pressure depends on where you ride
@@chrisfr2286 Yep but, you know the rockshox they threw in there doesn't have the bells & whistles the higher end ones have: high 7 low speed compression etc. I thought these bikes were limited to 25km/h how the hell did u get it to do 45-50km/h? & if you managed to delimit it, please give details how how you went about it.
Is there a list of bikes that are either out or coming out soonish that are full susp with the new pinion motor combined gearbox, I can't seem to find anything.
Bulls Vuca Evo
@Boingftw looks lush, ouch at price but I expect they're all going to be similar, best part of 9k for 900wh version
@Boingftw looks lush, ouch at price but I expect they're all going to be similar, best part of 9k for 900wh version
Any bikes better speced than the Decathlon Stilus AM 29" under $4k?
just bought a Cannondale monterra nero 4 from Pauls bikes for £3250, it was a 2022 model model, so reduced significantly (from £5k). Shimano EPS8, 630 WH battery, full suspension with rock shock recon upfront, debonair at back, both pneumatic, 12 speed sram eagle, hydraulic brakes, dropper post,. only ridden it a few times (,crashed twice) . My last bike was ancient, about 27 years old & battered to heck (like me, except I;m much older, hence why I went for an e-bike) , so hard for me to compare against other modern bikes, but I'm quite happy with it and the service was great. But look for last years models, you can get big discounts (and fi it last me 27 years, what do I care if its a 2022 or a 2023 model).
@@philldavies7940 Suntour forks and X fusion dampers though?
Ktm macina kapoho 6971, bosch cx motor, rockshox 35 forks £3500 at winstanleys bikes, and I can keep up with my friends on much more expensive kit.
Thanks for insurance and number plate see ya
Now some Karens may attack but if I buy a 4k (or more) EMTB, I want to use it how I want to use it, not restricted. I don't want to fly over with 40mph, but 15mph is WAY too slow. Plus, the way the motor cuts power way ahead of 15mph is not for me!
Theres some myth growing here. You can go way over 15mph on any eBike, the restriction is on the engine supplied power only. With a bit of peddling I easily get to 20+ on the flat and, what with the bike weight helping, way over 30 going downhill
Lucky UK not as Strict as France on Derestrict Ebike you end up in Prison & €33,000 Fine
That's insane! Seriously?!
under 4000 pound should buy a awesome bike thats $7500aud. I brought a norco range A2, i didnt really see the money in alot of the hop-ups, on the upper spec models in any brand, this is my 1st bike in 20 years.
try to find a sale or just negotiate a better deal.
Vitus website doesnt list a bafang
Apparently out in August
Great show as always Stevie Boy. Im just back from Torridon, full sun all day. what a place to ride your e-bike. for me, the Kenevo sl is simply the best e-bike out there.
Rather than relying on manufacturer RRP better off deal hunting on the internet or local retailers. Shops will knock £2k off premium models when they've got stock they need to shift.
So true, I have just seen a one year old but brand new giant , was 4.400pound when it was released now it is under 3 grand
I'd prefer no resistance to unrestricted. They're fast enough uphill, so it's only when you're trying to grab extra speed that the restriction is a problem.
I've an Orbea Wild and I've just bought an Alma M50.... It's way faster on the road and nice and light to carry. So I've the best of both worlds until I buy a Rocky Mountain Altitude 🤣
10:28 Just don't do it. It wastes all your components pretty quickly. Especially the "high end, low weight" equipment. If you want to go faster on the roads and backroads, buy an S-Pedelec that is designed to take the sustained beating. Or vote for a party, that will allow 30 kph (drop off to 32 kph) instead of 25 kph (27 kph drop) and will invest in proper infrastructure.
A 30 kph average makes you faster than a car in a normal sized "1980's design" city. On a bad day, cars go as low as
The non anal answer to the question about derestriction is no. However it depends on which country you are riding in. If Bosch want to be fussy about it just buy another brand with a compatible motor for the derestricting devices found on the internet. I have an early brose and my device is easy to fit and it improves the riding experience. My next bike will be a 45kph bike with plates and insurance because the new legal power restrictions allow those to go to 1000w motor power. EMBN showing an actual e motorbike and not a derestricted bike is just misdirection.
BOSCH software prevents the owner from -de-restriction? Does that include the aftermarket dongles ? Please dont assume we're all teenage-brained trail terrorizers. When I'm riding San Francsco streets, I sometime need speed to get away from trouble! (As owners, it should be our right to modify what we bought)
Josh ignore the nonsense about the motors going into limp mode. Speed fun have updates to deal with bs bosch. My local bike shop has done dozens of em and no problem. If they did have probs they did a quick update and boom out the door.
Disgrace ful to see these restricted bikes on pristine mountain destroying the landscape and causing bog slides. Stay off mountains with those skinny wheels.😢
No, there is no issue riding a bike derestricted, from a mechanical standpoint, its just a political solution that was implemented incorrectly.
The channel is obviously heavily endorsing top brand MTB products from big brands; but the e-bikes from these brands are overpriced!
An ebike for under £4000 😂😂😂...I have a bafang mid motor mounted to a new Cannondale hardtail which I've manually tuned over 1000miles, total cost was £900...it, the bike not me as an amatuer,will destroy any of your £10k bikes easily for a fraction of the price!
mY 2017 HARDTAIL Levo STARTing to LOOK OLD ,,auto shift must be whole hate group for that on Facebook ,