I MADE A CRAZY POWERFUL DIY DOWNHILL ELECTRIC BIKE!
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Last year Paradox Kinetics sent me a kit to convert any bike into an electric bike with a massive 1000Wh battery and awesome carbon fiber electric motor! It has 1500W output and 1800 peak power, which should be good for almost 45 mph! But is it any good, is it powerful and mainly, will I be able to fit it onto my downhill bike to make the ultimate mtb trail smashin e bike?
3200 euros is ridiculous money for that!
4200*
MORE than ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!! they basically modified a bafang conversion kit, it shows me 3.7 k euros, and over 4k euro the long range . absolutely RIDICULOUS and you even need to join a wait list LOL
Can buy a full e bike or suron for that
@@horace38 definitely better quality and over-engineered than bafang but yea that price is mental
I remember when it was 2000 euros or 20 Benjamin's and tougth that's way too much i was thinking if they are not going bankrupt and they get them mass produced it will be cheaper more fair price..
I guess they are aiming at people who already have a good emtb and a good Enduro bike etc that has way too much money and wants their emtb to perform like a electric motorcycle which it will in combo with a bimotal
we need to see a video with this and mat jones with his marinsult (diy e-bike)
Haha I didn’t know he had one actually
Yea and he’s made it better 🤙🏼 go to matts compound with the air big and get jonno his brother too lol 😂😅
Nothing can beat the Marinsult!
And the stink -E
Sam, yes do this if you can. You’ll have carefully thought through your influence on trends in the sport. When you make that vid, then, maybe make sure you both let us know how you’d feel if our trails and bmx tracks became more popular with high powered electric bikes. And of course, there’s the isdue of safety in some of those environments taking priority over damaging the track. For example, adequately strong helmets.
1.20-1.26 - didn’t blow up, good start 😂 my exact reaction every time I charge my surron battery 🤣
an open gear not the greatest design, also bafang doesnt cost that much :D
When bafang does a 2,5kw nominal mid motor, all competition will vanish...
They don't need to, maintaining a 1000w conversion is hard enough
Bafang ultra destroys drivetrains as it is. Doubling that would only double the drivetrain destruction.
When first set my e22 up, I got about 150kms out of the first cassette. The teeth literally began peeling away
Hadn't considered drive wear, would heavier less exotic chains and cassette add life do you reckon....
@Ricardofromage In my case I went from a 12 spd e13 Helix cassete. Which lasted 150km. It is super light weight aluminium, so in hindsight, it was never a good choice for a hi power eMTB. The thinner 12spd, and soft aluminium just peels away under load.
I then put a box prime 9 spd steel groupset on. And that lasted longer. I got approx 250-300km out of that. Again the cassete wore out the gears I used the most, and they began to slip under load. The cassette was steel, and with 9spd, had thicker gears. But the steel quality was low. Just junk steel, if they had of used a hi quality steel it probably would have been fine.
I then bit the bullet and got a Kindernay VII internal gear hub. And that had alot of problems with the hydraulic sequnential shifting system initially. The kindernay chain tensioner also self destructed in no time aswell. So I put a reverse components tensioner on and it is reliable so far. The kindernay gear box itself is so far pretty reliable. Ive got over 500kms of hard eMTB on it now. The oil won't stay inside though. So you need to top it up every time you change tyres or even have the back wheel off. I do get some occasional skipping gears now in the kindernay, but only in the low gears. That was because I didn't realise all the oil leaked out before the first 500km service interval. So it got mashed up from that.
I've snapped a few chain quick links aswell. But never snapped a chain itself. It's only the quick link joiners that blow. So keep a few of these in your riding kit.
This might sound like very low KMs for e bike. But eMTB is alot harder on gear than commuter e bike. Commuter ebike is just accelerate on smooth ground and once at speed you cruising. EMTB is so much harder on gear. And I like to ride the bike hard too. Full power all day. Over 60 emtb strava koms on it aswell.
@@BramBiesiekierskiso there not that bad you just ran the wrong gear .I've get loads of miles out of my setup on 1200 watts
It was mandatory in Western Australia. You could not go to work, or go to any shops, restaurants etc unless you were certified double dosed. I got sick after just 1 dose. And even though clinically diagnosed and hospitalised at RPH cardiology ward. Could not get an excemption either. Very fucked up time
Damn... imagine landing on your back with that thing in your backpack. Vertebrae fracture recepie basicly
Need padded battery
Real Nice Bike
I built a 48 volt 20ah -1500 watt
26'' fat tire snow bike
all from Amazon for a $1,000 bucks..
And I don't pedal it either
Average top speed is 33mph
(have had it up to 36 mpg)
I'm putting another battery on it to double the mileage
$300 26''Ffat Tire Bike
$300 1500 watt motor
$400 48v 20ah battery
to see it check the video on my page
So if you don't want to spend a ton of money & can turn a wrench & strip wires
You have options
"My old bike from 2022". Bro, my new bike is older than that 😭
Not only that, it was "2021 or 2022...I can't remember"...if you're struggling to remember a couple of years ago at your age just wait til you get older.
FIY BBSHD makes 1800w peak (1000w continous) for about 400 bucks. Over 3k is ridiculous.
Yeah probably why they went out of business. But this is also peak 1800 and 1500 continuous
Oh damn seriously, Bafang went bust, never even heard about it, damn
@@MotelVibes.??
@@Full_Throttle_no_Brakes Didn't Sam Reynolds say Bafang went out of business in the above comment or did I read it wrong.?
@@MotelVibes.Genesis motor
You should try CYC Cyclemotors kits...Similar,but way better..Ha!!
Did this & had to change to an integrated gear hub because the motor kept breaking my derailleurs.
Man I love the idea! Carrying the battery in a backpack makes the bike lighter? Than a normal ebike?.. It's still with you but the bike is free off extra weight
I'd do that so bad
Not worth 3 grand
You can get a full suspension emtb for 3400 from cube haibike giant and rock climber ,the rock climber got wp suspension same brand as KTM mc and has 150 mm and Shimano ep 8 ..i saved up half in gift card's for that rock climber I just need to sell my old levo from 2019 first because I want a bike with warranty because I had to use the warranty on my levo,,which is kinda good because now it has new motor battery display and better rear hub..which might be a good selling point ..but the paradox is really cool 😎 I would like one on my trail bike it's just like you said not worth the price when you can get a emtb with warranty for approximately the same price(edit i meant rock machine)
@@HeathenRides SCOTT also
@@HeathenRidesbut you cant shreed like that with trottle
@@ArchieeproBMX agreed throttle ruins the experience it's just a electric moped when there's a throttle..I love a good liquid cooled two stroke Enduro moped with six speed gear box,,you need skills to keep up when only having eight hp but that's not a bicycle it's very different thing's I have a specialized levo a sensor and a cube performance 500 tuned and customized for me by me with no throttle but I got throttle on my gilera rcr 50 and my derbi drd pro (which is of course derstricted and is confiscated at the moment 😂
@@HeathenRides i mean, ebike is fun, but this one is fuuuuunnniiieeerrrr
Was thinking doing this to my downhill custom dh bike its over 12 years and runs nearly new need suspension rebuilding but i was in a car accident and riding getting more difficult to ride i ise to MX and Dh before the car accident and part disabled this would help and cant afford a bomber or surron and dont want crap of police thanks to bellnuts scroats
surly they make a throttle body so u can have like a twist throttle would be kinda cool
Battery backpack, such a bad idea. What if you were to land on it 😢. Having said that, diy ebikes are great fun, I've a 4500w Specialized Status mid drive and been making them since 2016.
Even if you don't land on it, if you land on your wrists, its still and extra 4kg pushing your bones into the ground. Higher chance for injuries.
I landed with my back on a tree carrying the battery in my backpack. I thought i was gonna die but the battery absorbed all the impact and wasnt damaged at all.
P.S. Get a twist grip throttle ;-) . Your welcome .
I have a 1000 48v when I got it it did 40 when it had no weight on and 36 when it did have weight on 5 months later it does 40 with weight on and 43-45 with no weight on it but mines a hub 😂more that middrive looks sick 💨💯
500 quid 50 vole ebike kit with battery on a hardtail sorted lol
that bb clearance though 😅
Just what I was thinking! Take it anywhere rough or rocky and thT motor will be pierced or ripped off the frame!
to much noise, TO EXPENSIVE, to low ratio W vs Nm
Yes! Try somewhere else, im curious how it goes on bigger jumps
I lost the ability to pedal back in 2016 and was ONLY downhilling until a really good friend got me the Paradox Kinetics kit. I have been on one since September 2018 and now I have one on my Structure Cycleworks SCW-1 and it's been life changing. I also used to have a FUZZ named MIESHA and NS featured her on their website in 2016 I believe. My Fuzz weighed 32.5lbs and was a Dream Bike.
Awesome mate I’m glad you’re enjoying it!
I only got an e bike after a serious heart condition from an injection back in 2021. But not having 10k to drop on a name brand, I opted for a chinese frame / motor combo. Dengfu e22 / Bafang ultra
@@BramBiesiekierski”the” injection?
@@liamrmorgans921 maybe covid vaccinated
Yes. But if I say that. My comments disapeer
just letting you know thats a tinny battery compared to like any other ebike
Need more mtb to eletric bike build videos
Dude not even a motorbike engine costs this much, braindead prices
What happens if you get caught on one of these in the UK? If I was caught I would probably lose my drivers license...
Yeah don’t really know actually! Probably won’t go on the roads with it
Haha ya both need to watch the last video matt jones done with his Marin E BIKE diy build. Think it hits near 40 mph. He has ben next to him. in the car!
@@SamReynolds26 BUT you can get reg an moped
Yep, not legal anywhere on public land/road in the UK. And only on private land with express consent of the owner. Whether we like it or not that's just the way it is.
That bike looks discrete, so long as you aren't going stupid fast on the road without pedalling it wont attract attention.
I would put the battery in a bag on a rack on the back
looks good but for over 3000 quid you could buy a complete ebike
Bafang have been doing it for years.
And CYC
Apparently Paradox Kinetics died. Out of business. No more. Finished.
Yeah shame!
Way too noisy, good luck with that..
Can't wait to see you try that on a downhill trail ....
Cassette and chain won't last longer than a few days.
I NEED A CRAZY POWERFUL DIY UPHILL ELECTRIC BIKE....the coming down is the easy part
Are you going to test it on a MTB dirt jump?
Just missing a Deliveroo bag.
It wasn't fast enough!
By the way that’s a badass car
Hey Sam , hope you continue to enjoy your eeb . I built an old Orange 223 with a Bafang bbshd 1000w with 52v battery . Although it is a downhill bike it'll climb anything . Try for a 1 to 1 ratio [ i have 40 teeth front and 40 tooth first gear on my casette , 11 tooth 9th gear ] you will be able to climb a wall ! Mine will do about 2mph in first gear and power level 1 , 48mph in 9th gear and power level 9 . I also effectivley have 81 gears !!!
I've got exactly same setup as you with a 42t chainring and top speed is 35mph on throttle only, there is no way you are getting 48mph with that setup unless your wheel setting on the display is not right.
Figures aside, this I exactly what I've been mulling over with an old Blur lt or Nomad, but i was thinking hub drive, having read this about gearing........ Nice one guys!!
Theres more good stuff up there! Moved to town within biking distance of those trails. Love to see the city build a climb trail and spend some money to bring more mtb money to town.
If anyone is interested, and doesnt want to get robbed, you can get a CYC Photon or CYC Stealth for 30% of the price of this kit.
@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe, best netname ever, let's go Brandon!!!🤙✌️😎
The only thing is at over 3 grand for the kit it is actually cheaper to buy an e-bike and you don’t have to carry a 3-4 kg battery on your back
Does this kit have a pedal assist sensor?
That’s a nice setup but for that price nowadays you can get a proper EMTB.
Me you and chris need to go for a ride. I still have mine. does chris still have his?
but what if you fall ur just attached to the bike
Two stroke or die haha braaaaap
no key sensor torque controller
Mount the battery to the frame
We need to see what you can do with this engine on a DJ at Newhaven pumptrack
please ebike jump bike
This kit costs almost as much as a new sur ron
darkfest........ 2025
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Is 1500W really powerful? My skateboard is 1600W!
1500w for eMTB is like double or tripple what the name brands shit out. Eg Bosch, Shitmano etc. But for me, I would consider a nice entry level power figure.
My first eMTB had the bafang ultra which is like 1000w nominal 1500peak. And at first I thought it was alot, but you soon get used to it and quickly want more. I think around 2.5/3k nominal would be a happy medium where it's still a bike you can ride on MTB type terrain. Enough power to get up and boogy on. But not so much that the weight of the motor and battery you need to run it push it more into motor bike territory. But that's just my opinion.
get a 72v surron
Sam, it's so much fun. I've got a zooz electric BMX with a throttle, and it's got so much torque that it makes it even more fun 😂😊 do some more videos plz 😁😆
Nice!❤
What's your battery?
Maybe some loam TRACKS
now try going up the loam tracks...
It will be so awesome if you could make a loam track with your bike and it might beat the world record for having fun
Price of the kit pls
the next stink e and marinsult 😂
I. Actually after this myself thanks 4 the kinda review 😂 why didnt u get the backpack battery ??
I didnt watch it all beforehand lol
😂
Nature with Chris would be proud
I so wanna see that DJ w-bike 😂
damn
I’d love to see that motor on a dirt jump bike at s4p😂
Haha it would actually be great wouldn’t it! So many laps!
I have a gen 1 paradox kinetics on an old santa cruz nomad. Has brought me fun for years! mostly ride it in the snowmelt mixed conditions can power through any mud or snow! Really fun. Being able to shift without pedaling is really fun like a rally car.
I destroyed 3 derailleurs and 2 cassette on a converted mtb with the cyc kit...don't shift while going fast...have fun 👍
Instead of thumb throttle I used sur ron throttle
Ah really! How easy was the Suron throttle to fit?
@@SamReynolds26the sur ron and cyc throttle has 3 wires and it's color matched two colors are the same the third wire just connect to the unmatched color and that it oh and wire gauge are the same.
I don't know about the paradox kinetic wiring and gauge but you need to check wiring diagram and voltage or contact the manufacturer and see if they have a throttle.
Oh if attempting to upgrade to a throttle some country it's illegal to add a twist throttle.
Hope this helps 🍻
@@jondonut1810 you need to split the wires to use the original cyc connector
@@SamReynolds26 it's easy because it's just 3 wires power , ground , and signal that's it took me 2 hrs total
Your kit is the paradox kinetic I looked up for wiring diagram couldn't find any you could try contacting them for recommendation to throttle conversion
I got 150 km out of a e13 Helix cassete on a bafang ultra powered dengfu. The teeth literally started peeling off. Next cassete/group was a box prime 9. Got about 250km put of that before the ultra munched it up. Then I went with an internal gear hub.
That was flippen fantastic. I am looking forward to seeing the other shenanigans that come of this hahaha.
Home made ebikes rock
They do
They don't.
You definitely don't want to chain ring case that 😂😂
No 😂 instant write off
@@SamReynolds26 Design is fail, like that voiceover.
Please do a video with mr Matt jones with both of your DIY electric builds!
Ok! Thats a good idea
@@SamReynolds26 yea pretty sure matt is on bike no 2 of DIY. builds sure he has a stinky E and a marin e bike try some hits to the air bag!!
i saw this video thinking you were sam pilgrim lol
Impressive it survived those puddles
Definitely needs front and rear fenders
Annoyingly Loud and obnoxious. 0 respect, and I build many bikes. Though I must say I'm only a one man team enthusiastic about bikes. Cracking fibers are not a good choice for engineering bikes. Aircraft aluminum and titanium are far superior. Otherwise it's just a sales gimmick. High price plastic.
Don’t they make formula 1 cars, moto gp bikes and pretty much every bike racing World Cup cross country, enduro and downhill with carbon?
@@SamReynolds26 Yup, great for one or two races, then it's done. Turbo charger is great for extra power but shortening the life of the engine is the trade off. It's a trade off. I prefer things I can repair or maintain for decades. PS: our industrial revolution was made of steel, glass and other non toxic materials. We've been sold out and sold a bill of goods with a short expiration date. Plastic vs Glass, I'll take glass hands down, at least I can recycle it cheaper and create over and over again.
Hahaha, bloody awesome build, for sure make another vid and convert your dj, that's going to send you both to the mooooon LoL 😂🤣 ... cheers to you 🤟🎶
The battery in the back pack is genius. Awesome video Sam
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Love it Sam that looks like fun!😂
So much fun!
Lets goooo! I love these type of videos!
it's very good Kit I have too.. try it on a trail bike too!
I’ll try it on all the bikes eventually!
Let pilgs make one and then we got a race. You, Matt and pilgs
Haha that would be awesome
We need a video of you and matt on his stink-E 😂😂
Sam can you and pilgrim do a collaboration with this bike.
You've made a dirtbike is what that is.
Where's neighbour Chris with his ebike he built?
Caution - this will be classed as an electric motorbike. Lots of issues on where they can be used, registration and insurance requirements
Looks like the Bordon pump track. I worked in the bike shop near there. Nice one
Yes it was!
Amongst the most disappointing vlogs you've done mate. Complete disregard for the level of influence you have while promoting a machine yo be used "on BMX tracks", yet not in bike parks. So it's cool on a venue maintained by volunteers at the expense of their riders, but not in a bikepark. I thought you were better than this Sam.
Shut up Julian allen
Shut up bro😂 you have a brain yourself and so have other people its up to them to use it😂
@@bigounce3524 si
Move along Karen. Absolute loser.
What is the issue? Still a downhill bike.
You can get ebike twist throttles. Get one of them on there 👌🏼😜 @SamReynolds26
Awesome I just don’t know which ones are comparable! Definitely need to get one