What price would be right for you for these controllers? A little clarification, I couldn't find any problem with occlusion playing Contractors and aiming. But if I fake the movement out of games I can notice some occlusion. I hope it makes sense :)
I was hoping that WMR 2.0 would bring smaller tracking rings to the controllers. Dangit. Oh, well, I like rubbing the tracking rings together during loading screens. XP
scrobbles mcbobbles if you go hes shown himself breaking the tracking and testing it. Dont know why he hasn’t shown gameplay sooner but hes done a good job at oulining the pros and cobs Edit: never mind he actually has shown plenty of gameplay
scrobbles mcbobbles if he was hiding anything big it would be out by now but hopefully he steps up his game and puts out more stuff if he wants people to not think that hes trying to cover up flaws
The vr market to me still feels like no one is edging the others out. Quest us simply the most affordable. Looking forward to full reviews of all of them
They should be fine on 1.2V rechargeable batteries, the old WMR controllers were too. What's important is to get a decent brand that keeps a stable voltage over its battery life and doesn't drop voltage fast. Eneloop Pro batteries are very good for these controllers if you're looking for a Ni-MH alternative.
@@asheliagaming Yeah good to hear. I think it's pretty much standard in new tech that they work with these rechargeable lower voltage batteries, so was a bit surprised that they want me to basically use Duracells. I have like 50 Eneloops and was thinking I never need to buy batteries again. :)
More G2 videos, please! Thank you for making these detailed ones!
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Those controllers are actually great news for us who wants to keep our old wmr headsets, as I've found it's impossible to find replacement controllers, until now.
Well, I already preordered this. Had Rift and now Rift S, and I think the headset itself is a great update. I have to see about the controllers. A little sad to let go of the gestures of the oculus controllers, but maybe there will be better controllers in the future to which I can upgrade to. Not to keen on using Index controllers, to expensive, and I don't want to set up noisy base stations.
Yeah thats what i was thinking, i really hope they change some aspects of the controllers tho i feel like they still need work and are far from being perfect but these are not the final product so we dont know yet, i feel like the controllers are too plastic and low quality i hope they make them look nicer too...
I was having problems figuring out how to safely remove the battery covers, and at 5:00, you showed us how. The official HP support videos don't mention it, and numerous frustrated Reddit posts don't do a good job describing the process. Thanks!
One of the most inviting "intro to a video" segments I've seen yet. I recommend posting the first 35 seconds of this video separately, titled "How To Invite Viewers To Watch". Show them how it's done properly. They might not be able to pull it off as well a you do - because it's clear you genuinely enjoy what you're doing. Also, great detail and information in the rest of the video.
i have n oddyssey+ and I can tell I have no problem whatsoever with the controller movement. i never had the feeling that i failed because of the controller tracking
The tracking system seems to be the same as original WMR except with two more cameras, so the original problems probably still stand. At high level Expert+ (custom songs) the controllers may not be able to keep up, but that's only on real top-level gameplay. They'll be fine for most users.
Picked up a set of 8 of those batteries. O+ could use a refresh and the new controllers will enjoy them as well. On the O+ the two menu buttons feel different. one is a bump and the other is depressed. makes it easier to tell them apart.
this video really goes over all my issues with the g2 controllers. the lack of capsense makes vrchat unplayable. I use every single button on my cv1 controllers, and Im glad the capsense makes gestures work without me having to sacrifice anything. I had a similar setup on WMR where I used every single button. mostly because of fullbody tracking and space drag. in short, if you want to play vrchat, the lack of capsense is a huge deal breaker.
Nice video :D Do you know when you release the through the lens video for the G2? Could you maybe include a little comparison to the Rift CV1 to show how much the headsets evolved in the last years? Would be really nice of you :D Thanks for the great videos !
Don't worry, you can use the Index Knuckles ( with base stations only ) with the Reverb G2 ( if u want the best tracking/better tracking or if u don't like the Controllers )
@@ubaft3135 It's not really wokring together. The headtracking is done by the headset and the knuckles are tracked by the external sensors. But yeah MRTV was way too positive..."It's REAAALLLY EAAASY" * shows a 20min tutorial with multiple extra software you need to download and extra usb trackers you need to buy* "It's SOOOO EASY GUYZ"
I wish they had sensors for better hand presence, however seeing older headsets being able to use newer controllers makes me hopeful it may be something to get at a later time The best would be touch controllers with knuckles sensors for great ergonomics with awesome finger tracking
I don't know if I'm going to miss the track pads or not. 7:07 Where is the cool flippy flop animation on the tracking rings? I hope they add it in for the new controllers.
Thank you for the additional, focused video. I was wondering after the last video as I already had made up my mind to get a Rift S. The Oculus exclusive games really had me excited as well. I did not know about Revive. It's looking more and more like the additional $200 is worth it.🤔
Hi Tyriel, could you ask HP which type of batteries they recommend? Nizn batteries don't have the ammount of charge cycles as the Nizn batteries and tend to fail after one to two years. They also need a specific charger. Maybe in the finished product the power consumption (or voltage demands) are lower?
1.2V is fine for these controllers, but the contact pads have to be clean and pressed tightly - they might be not. The solution is to disassemble the controller, bend the contact legs outward a little, and scrub everything clean with alcohol or acetone. Then it'll work perfectly fine with 1.2 volt batteries (its cutoff voltage is 0.9V) and alkaline batteries will last an entire day of nonstop gaming.
@Han Lockhart Warranty cannot be voided unless manufacturer proves that your modification is what caused malfunction, "warranty void" seals are null. If you screw up a basic cleaning operation then sucks to be you I guess, you'll have to live with short battery life and disabled haptic feedback. You might be able to get some mileage by paying exorbitant fees to some repair shop to do a custom work, of cleaning and tweaking rare (comparatively) electronics. I did my own controllers and they work flawlessly, no more "low battery" warning on a fresh set.
If you have the money the visuals are much better, the comfort is slightly better, and the controllers are much more ergonomic and easy to use. Also the controllers use batteries 4-5 times faster in the explorer. If you don't really have an issue with the explorer right now you don't need to upgrade but it is a bit better.
In your previous video I asked if you could do a more in depth review of the controllers. And here it is. Thank you very much! This has confirmed my worry about the controllers being a downgrade from the Oculus touch controllers. Missing the capasative buttons. Hopefully games or HP will indeed come with a workaround like you suggested so that you are not continuesly have you thumbs up. One thing I missed in this video is, are you able to use your index finger in the games to point or click buttons or context menus? As missing the capasative buttons stretching my index finger won't make me point in game right?
Hey Tyriel i've got a question about the battery compartment. Some rechargable ones are bigger than normal and im wondering if i'll have trouble fitting them. How tight is the battery fit?
Whats the tracking like compared to an outside In tracking in terms of very still movements? If I'm sitting very still or my controllers are very still, do the cameras get confused at all and sway a little or are they rock solid like my CV1? Thanks so much for the vids
The window button and menu button pressing problem can be solve with a simple rocker switch eg push left to window push right for menu, just my design thought
The dead-zone probably wouldn't be a reliable way to detect if the thumb is there because the reason the dead-zone exists is that even when not touching the controller the controller is still sending some non-zero signal. Often it's a bit noisy (bouncing around 0,0). They could probably do a dynamic testing every once in awhile when they knew for sure your thumbs were off and then create a tighter temp dead-zone but in general the reason the dead-zone exists is it's an area of the input you know you can't rely on for accurate readings. Initially I thought the same thing until I remembered just how noisy the inputs are (if you load up something where you can see the raw values, you'll see how much they bounce and that they often don't settle back to the same number after they are moved).
@Artistic Cat I was recently offered an index for 956 dollars, but I like the inside out tracking. I live in a small apartment, so don't really have the room for the base stations. I plan to get the knuckles when I move out, if something better isn't on the market. Thanks for the idea though!
Artistic Cat You need to buy external base stations + the knuckles which will add up to an extra $800 just to get capacitive buttons. U really think that’s worth it?
Hello Tyriel. I have question. How to add more overlays to SteamVr menu and add this "Windows Mixed Reality for SteamVR Settings"? I couldn't find a place to change thumbstick options.
I have a Voltcraft CM410 and it works well as long as you don't discharge the batteries too much. I got mine from Rapid Electronics but unfortunately the page for that model says it's discontinued. I can't seem to find it at a sensible price. They have a bigger, fancier Voltcraft one that is also expensive. Looks like the best bet right now is branded "Poover" on eBay, kits with batteries and a non-smart charger.
I also heard today the Reverb G2 controllers in the production version have been improved with a textured feel and improved use. So now we have the New New Controllers! Hehe
From what I've gathered, the colours seem to be pretty good, but the blacks aren't as black as what you'd see on an OLED display. I think it's worth it to avoid Mura though.
Thanks for finally a good review on the tracking and controllers. Thats been a major issue for me. Ultimately this sounds like an insane headset for Sims and shooters that don't have intrakit hand presense. Ugh im probably just gonna bite the bullet and buy both the index and this lol
And you'll probably end up not using the Index HMD in favor of this one. It would be hard to go from double resolution of the G2 back to the Index.. you would miss the clarity too much, even at the sacrifice of some FOV.
Having moved from a Dell Visor WMR to the Oculus Rift CV1, tracking will be a slight downgrade when I eventually upgrade to the HP Reverb G2. That said it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make in exchange for that super high resolution, and Index level comfort/audio quality. The controllers being more similar to the CV1 controllers also means I can easily still play my Oculus Store exclusives. In terms of the batteries needing to be 1.5v or higher, I think that depends on the brand of battery. I never had issues with my old WMR controllers using the Energizer 1.2v rechargeable 2300 mAh batteries. Speaking of controllers. Is the bluetooth connectivity built into the headset itself? Or do you need a separate bluetooth adapter like on some of the old WMR headsets? It seems like you don't need an adapter since no one has mentioned it, but I just want to make sure.
I was always very bothered by the grip button in the past versions, and the lack of buttons, for me it's night an day here, but if you like them I don't see why you should switch :)
@@Tyrielwood I really want that analogue grip button, I'm just asking if the new controller feels like night and day in your hands over the Odyssey's controller
hmm since I have the odyssey plus with a vr cover and a headstrap i think just buying the controllers off the g2 or maybe following a tutorial to get the index controllers to work would be more worth it than getting a completely new hmd
hi i have odyssey plus also, with cover and headstrap i don't think we need to drop to g2 and imo g2 controller and not better than odyssey plus but right you can try with index controler sure will be a huge improvment
@@Verociity Yes but we want the best of vr. im sick of eveyone trying to defend Hp. the controllers are rock bottom. I cant wait til vive come out with a even better head set
@@Verociity Did you not see the buttons click or The 4 aa batteries? Even the joy stick is lacking. Its like a cheap knock off oculus controller. You can pre order and be blown away for the first week or 2. But when you get used to the picture quality , thats when problems will start to you annoy.
@Han Lockhart Hp suckk at vr, Dont waste your money!! buy the rtx 3080 then wait for the new vr headsets next year. I dont know if you know but vr are like roller casters, It goes up and everyone wants one, and then it goes down no body cares
Another reviewer stated the connections were USB-C and if you don't have a USB-C port you have to purchase an USB-C to USB 3.0 adapter separately. Is this true?
I have Energizer rechargeable batteries 1.2v and the PKCell 1.6v ones and I never had any issues with the 1.2 but I had issues with the 1.6 not being able to tell if they are fully charged or not charged with the indicator in the WMR portal. It would be saying half battery life when I just charged it full. With the 1.2v ones always told me the right indication. I also had an issue with the charger of the PKCell not charged the batteries the same.
As long as those Nickel-Zink Batteries offer 1,6 Volts you can use them in the WMR controllers for 8-10 hour sessions before you have to replace them. Just order an 8-pack of that rechargeable batteries and charge 4 of them while playing with the other 4 in the controllers. Watch out you need a special Nickel-Zink Battery charger ..if you use other chargers which are not made for Nickel-Zink rechargeable batteries you will destroy your batteries ! ! ! After 8-10 hours of playing you have to change the batteries because the batteries have low charge inside the controllers ( never let them go below 25 % charge or the batteries will get some serious damage ! ), but the other 4 which you put in the charger are already 100% charged ! Those rechargeable Nickel-Zink batteries have 2500mWh = 1562,5 mAh and are absolutely O.K. for the WMR controllers !
Could you please help me here, I bought the headset without the controllers last year. Now how do I buy the controllers alone? There is no such a thing in the market! Unbelievable.
The only thing better than the Index is the panel resolution and clarity, but they still work on a 90Hz 110º FoV, everything else is worse, but VS Oculus everything is better.
"but VS Oculus everything is better". Everything except the controllers - better tracking (occlusion & close-up), single battery, capacitive buttons, smaller tracking ring
OMG u hearted it tysm and I’ve got a question my rift s headset is very broken but I haven’t got tonnes of money for an index or Vive so do I wait and see how much the new quest is or buy a second hand one
@@Oscar-05 Oculus has been pretty aggressive on their pricing, so I don't think the new Quest will be that expensive. Might even be the same price or lower than the current Quest. I'd wait.
0:14 holy smokes. i thought the new controllers would have some slight flaws and overall be better. but wow. wtf. why do they always make them so short? that cant be comfy. gonna need to get some extensions on those bad boys.
No clickable touchpad, just xbox like buttons. No no. The current controllers could have been more compact, smaller, but the functions these offer are better than button only controllers.
Do you know how he is using them? There are many cases where having 2 smaller monitors is 100x better (or even the only option) than having one large monitor.
"They don't feel as premium as the Oculus controllers" Ouch, my Rift S controllers are cracked all over the place lol, had to superglue the rings twice on each. If that's premium I don't want to know what's not.
No capacative touch. I play VR Chat quite alot. This is why I'm probably not getting this one. I'll wait for either Oculus or Valve to release a HMD with a comparable screen. Maybe if the new Quest is a "Pro/S" instead of a "Lite" we'll get something like that.
@@christiancollins4726 for another 600 dollars... brilliant. BTW: I had already thought of that, but the base stations are stupidly overpriced. Valve has already said they will sell them to OEM's for $60s each. +150% isn't a mark up, that's just bullshit.
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Thank you for this review! Tough decision, the headset is something I wanna go for without a doubt but the lack of thumb detection is in fact a deal breaker for me. I play a lot of VRChat and as a content creator, it's sad to see half of an already limited amount of gestures become unusable. I hope HP still thinks of a solution for this in the near future.
@@DarkAurora2002 Yes, I've been considering that. The biggest issue is the need of 2 HTC or Valve USB dongles to connect those controllers to without an Index headset. They aren't included with the controllers and neither HTC nor Valve sells them loose. And here in Europe, no store at all can deliver them. Importing them from the US will cost me about as much as buying 2 HTC trackers for the dongles and throwing away the trackers :(
Kind of annoying, but for me at least the capacitive touch didn't really add too much to my overall experience when playing with the rift CV1. Would definitely be nice to have it though.
DON'T BUY THE PKCELL BATTERIES! They have the worst quality that you can get amongst the entire 2500mWh batteries. And btw, you should look for mAh Batteries, not mWh. Ampere is the scale you should consider checking. 2500mWh are appox 1600mAh. Don't let someone fool you with those higher looking numbers.
I've been using two sets of the PKCell batteries in my Samsung Odyssey for over two years now. I've had no problems with them at all. Yes, this is anecdotal, but it is my experience with them. I get over 15 hours of use from them before having to recharge them.
As long as those Nickel-Zink Batteries offer 1,6 Volts you can use them in the WMR controllers for 8-10 hour sessions before you have to replace them. Just order an 8-pack of that rechargeable batteries and charge 4 of them while playing with the other 4 in the controllers. Watch out you need a special Nickel-Zink Battery charger ..if you use other chargers which are not made for Nickel-Zink rechargeable batteries you will destroy your batteries ! ! ! After 8-10 hours of playing you have to change the batteries because the batteries have low charge inside the controllers ( never let them go below 25 % charge or the batteries will get some serious damage ! ), but the other 4 which you put in the charger are already 100% charged ! Those rechargeable Nickel-Zink batteries have 2500 mWh = 1562,5 mAh and are absolutely O.K. for the WMR controllers !
Wow, those look pretty awful. capacitive controllers and maybe better battery life would have been good. its like going a year back from when the first set was made
What price would be right for you for these controllers?
A little clarification, I couldn't find any problem with occlusion playing Contractors and aiming. But if I fake the movement out of games I can notice some occlusion. I hope it makes sense :)
I think the MSRP will be $119.99 for a pair of G2 Controllers. Personally, I'd pay $100 for them.
100€ for controller
Old ones that Dell sold separately were only $80 for the pair. I'd say $100 is a fair price for a pair of the updated controllers.
I've pre-ordered my G2 on Amazon 3 weeks ago for 599€ with controllers.Without controllers the price is 549€..
I was hoping that WMR 2.0 would bring smaller tracking rings to the controllers. Dangit. Oh, well, I like rubbing the tracking rings together during loading screens. XP
This was a more honest review of the tracking and controllers.
Oh yeahhhhhh 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Compared to what
scrobbles mcbobbles if you go hes shown himself breaking the tracking and testing it. Dont know why he hasn’t shown gameplay sooner but hes done a good job at oulining the pros and cobs
Edit: never mind he actually has shown plenty of gameplay
scrobbles mcbobbles if he was hiding anything big it would be out by now but hopefully he steps up his game and puts out more stuff if he wants people to not think that hes trying to cover up flaws
I hope they make WMR controllers with fingertracking in the future.
i hope so to really would love to have fingertracking
really makes me wish we had 3rd party controllers manufacturers
The vr market to me still feels like no one is edging the others out. Quest us simply the most affordable. Looking forward to full reviews of all of them
Thank you for bringing up that the controllers need at least 1.5-volt batteries. I had no idea about this and was gonna buy 1.2-volt batteries
Same here. Almost added to the wishlist in amazon to order before headset arrives. Glad we saw the video.
They should be fine on 1.2V rechargeable batteries, the old WMR controllers were too. What's important is to get a decent brand that keeps a stable voltage over its battery life and doesn't drop voltage fast. Eneloop Pro batteries are very good for these controllers if you're looking for a Ni-MH alternative.
@@asheliagaming That's good to know. we had eneloop ones in our wishlist
@@asheliagaming Yeah good to hear. I think it's pretty much standard in new tech that they work with these rechargeable lower voltage batteries, so was a bit surprised that they want me to basically use Duracells. I have like 50 Eneloops and was thinking I never need to buy batteries again. :)
1.2 volt AAs work on the old WMR controllers, battery life readings are inaccurate though.
More G2 videos, please! Thank you for making these detailed ones!
Those controllers are actually great news for us who wants to keep our old wmr headsets, as I've found it's impossible to find replacement controllers, until now.
Well, I already preordered this. Had Rift and now Rift S, and I think the headset itself is a great update. I have to see about the controllers. A little sad to let go of the gestures of the oculus controllers, but maybe there will be better controllers in the future to which I can upgrade to. Not to keen on using Index controllers, to expensive, and I don't want to set up noisy base stations.
just saying the base stations arent as noisey as people say: ua-cam.com/video/96dRETGDos8/v-deo.html
DrakeFruit Noisy? Also, inside-out tracking will always be inferior.
How is the haptic feedback?
This. When i tried a quest i was very disappointed in the haptic feedback. I hope this is better
Whats haptic feedback? i completely forgot...
MagmaCreamy vibration feedback
Yeah thats what i was thinking, i really hope they change some aspects of the controllers tho i feel like they still need work and are far from being perfect but these are not the final product so we dont know yet, i feel like the controllers are too plastic and low quality i hope they make them look nicer too...
I was having problems figuring out how to safely remove the battery covers, and at 5:00, you showed us how. The official HP support videos don't mention it, and numerous frustrated Reddit posts don't do a good job describing the process. Thanks!
Nice video as usual. Keep up the good work
One of the most inviting "intro to a video" segments I've seen yet. I recommend posting the first 35 seconds of this video separately, titled "How To Invite Viewers To Watch".
Show them how it's done properly. They might not be able to pull it off as well a you do - because it's clear you genuinely enjoy what you're doing.
Also, great detail and information in the rest of the video.
How good is the tracking for high speed movements like in Beat Saber? Is it accurate?
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It works absolutely fine. Watch the video by MRTV
i have n oddyssey+ and I can tell I have no problem whatsoever with the controller movement. i never had the feeling that i failed because of the controller tracking
MRTV seemed to have no problems on Expert. Didn't try Expert+ though.
The tracking system seems to be the same as original WMR except with two more cameras, so the original problems probably still stand.
At high level Expert+ (custom songs) the controllers may not be able to keep up, but that's only on real top-level gameplay.
They'll be fine for most users.
Picked up a set of 8 of those batteries. O+ could use a refresh and the new controllers will enjoy them as well. On the O+ the two menu buttons feel different. one is a bump and the other is depressed. makes it easier to tell them apart.
this video really goes over all my issues with the g2 controllers. the lack of capsense makes vrchat unplayable.
I use every single button on my cv1 controllers, and Im glad the capsense makes gestures work without me having to sacrifice anything. I had a similar setup on WMR where I used every single button. mostly because of fullbody tracking and space drag. in short, if you want to play vrchat, the lack of capsense is a huge deal breaker.
Nice video :D Do you know when you release the through the lens video for the G2? Could you maybe include a little comparison to the Rift CV1 to show how much the headsets evolved in the last years? Would be really nice of you :D Thanks for the great videos !
Don't worry, you can use the Index Knuckles ( with base stations only ) with the Reverb G2 ( if u want the best tracking/better tracking or if u don't like the Controllers )
they drift appart sometimes and you need to callibrate them every time. MRTV was a bit over positive about this.
@@ubaft3135 You can prob fix that issue too
@@HeinzAnimation i wish. i wouldnt trust this fully yet. its 2 completely different technologies trying to work together.
@@ubaft3135 It's not really wokring together.
The headtracking is done by the headset and the knuckles are tracked by the external sensors.
But yeah MRTV was way too positive..."It's REAAALLLY EAAASY" * shows a 20min tutorial with multiple extra software you need to download and extra usb trackers you need to buy* "It's SOOOO EASY GUYZ"
Another video on hp reverb thats great they're very interesting
Do you know the clearance of the headset so I could wear my glasses? My glasses are 14.5 cm long. Thanks!
vroptician.com/ said they will add the G2. They are just waiting for the release as the rest of us. Just saying, as that could be an option.
I wish they had sensors for better hand presence, however seeing older headsets being able to use newer controllers makes me hopeful it may be something to get at a later time
The best would be touch controllers with knuckles sensors for great ergonomics with awesome finger tracking
I don't know if I'm going to miss the track pads or not.
7:07 Where is the cool flippy flop animation on the tracking rings? I hope they add it in for the new controllers.
Naaa
@@Tyrielwood Okie, you're right, lol. The only time I really used them was for scrolling up and down windows on the virtual desktop.
Thank you for the additional, focused video. I was wondering after the last video as I already had made up my mind to get a Rift S. The Oculus exclusive games really had me excited as well. I did not know about Revive. It's looking more and more like the additional $200 is worth it.🤔
Thank you for this awesome and honest test !
Thank you so much for linking the rechargeable batteries!
Hi Tyriel, could you ask HP which type of batteries they recommend? Nizn batteries don't have the ammount of charge cycles as the Nizn batteries and tend to fail after one to two years. They also need a specific charger.
Maybe in the finished product the power consumption (or voltage demands) are lower?
1.2V is fine for these controllers, but the contact pads have to be clean and pressed tightly - they might be not. The solution is to disassemble the controller, bend the contact legs outward a little, and scrub everything clean with alcohol or acetone. Then it'll work perfectly fine with 1.2 volt batteries (its cutoff voltage is 0.9V) and alkaline batteries will last an entire day of nonstop gaming.
@Han Lockhart Warranty cannot be voided unless manufacturer proves that your modification is what caused malfunction, "warranty void" seals are null.
If you screw up a basic cleaning operation then sucks to be you I guess, you'll have to live with short battery life and disabled haptic feedback. You might be able to get some mileage by paying exorbitant fees to some repair shop to do a custom work, of cleaning and tweaking rare (comparatively) electronics. I did my own controllers and they work flawlessly, no more "low battery" warning on a fresh set.
Have you ever done a setup tour? I’m really intrigued by your set up
How do you open up the controllers for batteries?!
What about adding knuckle straps.
hey, i have a question. Do you think it would be worth it from switching from the Lenovo Explorer to the Rift S?
If you have the money the visuals are much better, the comfort is slightly better, and the controllers are much more ergonomic and easy to use. Also the controllers use batteries 4-5 times faster in the explorer. If you don't really have an issue with the explorer right now you don't need to upgrade but it is a bit better.
Seth Sainz The sweetspot on the lenovo explorer is very small.
@@xenaxh8199 yah much easier to aquire the sweet spot on the rift s due to the improved lenses
@@xenaxh8199 there's no manual ipd adjustment though so it's best if you have an ipd between 60mm and 68mm
I would switch to the g2 to be honest
Hi Tyriel, thank you for your video. Have you already described your config ? screen ? CPU/GPU ect ... ?
Test the hp reverb g2 with diffrent graphics cards, even some under the “minimum requirements”. Like 1660ti to 2070ti??
“2070 ti”
In your previous video I asked if you could do a more in depth review of the controllers. And here it is. Thank you very much!
This has confirmed my worry about the controllers being a downgrade from the Oculus touch controllers. Missing the capasative buttons.
Hopefully games or HP will indeed come with a workaround like you suggested so that you are not continuesly have you thumbs up.
One thing I missed in this video is, are you able to use your index finger in the games to point or click buttons or context menus? As missing the capasative buttons stretching my index finger won't make me point in game right?
Hey Tyriel i've got a question about the battery compartment. Some rechargable ones are bigger than normal and im wondering if i'll have trouble fitting them. How tight is the battery fit?
How are the haptics? Are there LRAs in there?
I hope there will be controllers in the future which don't need batteries anymore, somehow... Maybe through hand tracking.
They should really use 18650's so you wouldn't need to keep switching them all the time..
Whats the tracking like compared to an outside In tracking in terms of very still movements? If I'm sitting very still or my controllers are very still, do the cameras get confused at all and sway a little or are they rock solid like my CV1? Thanks so much for the vids
The window button and menu button pressing problem can be solve with a simple rocker switch eg push left to window push right for menu, just my design thought
Any improvement is a welcomed improvement.
The dead-zone probably wouldn't be a reliable way to detect if the thumb is there because the reason the dead-zone exists is that even when not touching the controller the controller is still sending some non-zero signal. Often it's a bit noisy (bouncing around 0,0). They could probably do a dynamic testing every once in awhile when they knew for sure your thumbs were off and then create a tighter temp dead-zone but in general the reason the dead-zone exists is it's an area of the input you know you can't rely on for accurate readings.
Initially I thought the same thing until I remembered just how noisy the inputs are (if you load up something where you can see the raw values, you'll see how much they bounce and that they often don't settle back to the same number after they are moved).
The lack of touch capacitive buttons killed it for me :
@Artistic Cat I was recently offered an index for 956 dollars, but I like the inside out tracking. I live in a small apartment, so don't really have the room for the base stations. I plan to get the knuckles when I move out, if something better isn't on the market. Thanks for the idea though!
@Artistic Cat It's used, unfortunately, and without a warrant, so I think the price is fair.
Artistic Cat You need to buy external base stations + the knuckles which will add up to an extra $800 just to get capacitive buttons. U really think that’s worth it?
Yeah it's heartbreaking because otherwise this headset was perfect but hand presence is too important to me :/
Not everyone cares about VR chat. No capacitive buttons makes no difference to me.
How do I get the Windows Mixed Reality settings for SteamVR overlay?
Now I know why I was missing notes was using 1.2 volt batteries in my Q1 Controllers.
Can you remove the rubber flaps around the nose ?
I did that with Rift S to be able to see the keyboard using flight simulator like DCS World.
Hello Tyriel. I have question. How to add more overlays to SteamVr menu and add this "Windows Mixed Reality for SteamVR Settings"? I couldn't find a place to change thumbstick options.
it might be part of the beta so :)
@@Tyrielwood Thank you very much, it helped :)
@@grzenio_l did you find it?
@@Tyrielwood Yes, I found it and it is working properly :)
Can you recommend a charger for the PKCell NiZn batteries please?
I can have only found expensive or sketchy options in the UK.
I have a Voltcraft CM410 and it works well as long as you don't discharge the batteries too much. I got mine from Rapid Electronics but unfortunately the page for that model says it's discontinued. I can't seem to find it at a sensible price. They have a bigger, fancier Voltcraft one that is also expensive.
Looks like the best bet right now is branded "Poover" on eBay, kits with batteries and a non-smart charger.
Do you know what the controllers' battery life is before it needs recharge?
Great idea with the deadzone thumb recognition!
I also heard today the Reverb G2 controllers in the production version have been improved with a textured feel and improved use. So now we have the New New Controllers! Hehe
Hate that we have to choose between good quality or good controllers.
Tyler how are the colours compares to other headsets ?
From what I've gathered, the colours seem to be pretty good, but the blacks aren't as black as what you'd see on an OLED display. I think it's worth it to avoid Mura though.
The colours are better than Rift S and Index. They are very close to OLED ie the Quest.
I have one question... Can I use HTC Vive or Valve Index controllers with HP Reverb G2?
Yes, you can. MRTV (youtube Channel) made a whole video about it.
@@Ratte666 yes i saw that after this video :D, bit thanks
How can the controllers NOT have a built in rechargeable battery??
I love the controllers and the headset. So i´ve decided to preorder both^^
Thanks for finally a good review on the tracking and controllers. Thats been a major issue for me. Ultimately this sounds like an insane headset for Sims and shooters that don't have intrakit hand presense. Ugh im probably just gonna bite the bullet and buy both the index and this lol
And you'll probably end up not using the Index HMD in favor of this one. It would be hard to go from double resolution of the G2 back to the Index.. you would miss the clarity too much, even at the sacrifice of some FOV.
@@stevetb7777 I'll mostly use the index for beat saber. There's no way those cameras with their positioning can handle high level beat saber
@@laronda10 That's a pricey beat saber. ; ) I think you'll end up using the G2 HMD + the Index Controllers.
@@stevetb7777 after further inspection I have determined that to be the ultimate path
You can use the index controllers on this. Mrtv had a tutorial. Id recommend it over getting both.
Having moved from a Dell Visor WMR to the Oculus Rift CV1, tracking will be a slight downgrade when I eventually upgrade to the HP Reverb G2. That said it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make in exchange for that super high resolution, and Index level comfort/audio quality. The controllers being more similar to the CV1 controllers also means I can easily still play my Oculus Store exclusives.
In terms of the batteries needing to be 1.5v or higher, I think that depends on the brand of battery. I never had issues with my old WMR controllers using the Energizer 1.2v rechargeable 2300 mAh batteries.
Speaking of controllers. Is the bluetooth connectivity built into the headset itself? Or do you need a separate bluetooth adapter like on some of the old WMR headsets? It seems like you don't need an adapter since no one has mentioned it, but I just want to make sure.
yep, they come also already paired out of the box, and that is really cool! It will feel so normal to move from the oculus to this
Dude the samsung odyssey controller feel pretty ergonomic over the basic wmr controllers to me,is it worth switching from that?
I was always very bothered by the grip button in the past versions, and the lack of buttons, for me it's night an day here, but if you like them I don't see why you should switch :)
@@Tyrielwood I really want that analogue grip button, I'm just asking if the new controller feels like night and day in your hands over the Odyssey's controller
hmm since I have the odyssey plus with a vr cover and a headstrap i think just buying the controllers off the g2 or maybe following a tutorial to get the index controllers to work would be more worth it than getting a completely new hmd
but man i do want better controller tracking so i might save for the g2
hi i have odyssey plus also, with cover and headstrap i don't think we need to drop to g2 and imo g2 controller and not better than odyssey plus but right you can try with index controler sure will be a huge improvment
Been waiting for your through the lenses ....
I love what Hp has done here! The head set gets a big thumbs up for me! but the controllers.. can we have light house tracking support please.
that would greatly add to the cost but this is practically good enough for me
@@Verociity Yes but we want the best of vr. im sick of eveyone trying to defend Hp. the controllers are rock bottom. I cant wait til vive come out with a even better head set
@@johncast4988 they're similar to the touch controllers which are great, no finger tracking isn't a deal breaker.
@@Verociity Did you not see the buttons click or The 4 aa batteries? Even the joy stick is lacking. Its like a cheap knock off oculus controller. You can pre order and be blown away for the first week or 2. But when you get used to the picture quality , thats when problems will start to you annoy.
@Han Lockhart Hp suckk at vr, Dont waste your money!! buy the rtx 3080 then wait for the new vr headsets next year. I dont know if you know but vr are like roller casters, It goes up and everyone wants one, and then it goes down no body cares
Don't the massive rings get in the way if you're inserting a magazine or cocking a weapon in VR?
good question! not really tho, I didn't even think about it because it never happened
This guy says they get in the way in Half Life Alyx: ua-cam.com/video/-NBMdcUTC2M/v-deo.html
Another reviewer stated the connections were USB-C and if you don't have a USB-C port you have to purchase an USB-C to USB 3.0 adapter separately. Is this true?
In my set there's a USB-c to USB-a adapter.
I just bought a pack of 8 AA batteries for the G2 and they were 1.2V. *sigh* guess i'm gonna order more. Thanks for the info!
I have Energizer rechargeable batteries 1.2v and the PKCell 1.6v ones and I never had any issues with the 1.2 but I had issues with the 1.6 not being able to tell if they are fully charged or not charged with the indicator in the WMR portal. It would be saying half battery life when I just charged it full. With the 1.2v ones always told me the right indication. I also had an issue with the charger of the PKCell not charged the batteries the same.
@Froggerdog I can bearly afford food and ur getting a G2 😩 have fun tho 😊
The lack of capacitive buttons makes this controller functionally useless for VRchat, which is a huge use case for many people...
im gonna play vrchat with this headset. hopefully i can upgrade to the valve ones if i hate them
@@mumsenmarte You can, there is already guide on how to use index controllers
They just released an update which makes gesture possible with all controllers!
@@buddyman148 oh rlyy on vrchat?
@@Navhkrin ik, thats like the ultimate setup
Thanks, that was very useful. Specially the information's about the batteries. Now i need to buy better (1.6V) rechargeable batteries. XD
know your feeling, just bought a new pack for them, 1.2V /facepalm
As long as those Nickel-Zink Batteries offer 1,6 Volts you can use them in the WMR controllers for 8-10 hour sessions before you have to replace them.
Just order an 8-pack of that rechargeable batteries and charge 4 of them while playing with the other 4 in the controllers.
Watch out you need a special Nickel-Zink Battery charger ..if you use other chargers which are not made for Nickel-Zink rechargeable batteries you will destroy your batteries ! ! !
After 8-10 hours of playing you have to change the batteries because the batteries have low charge inside the controllers ( never let them go below 25 % charge or the batteries will get some serious damage ! ), but the other 4 which you put in the charger are already 100% charged !
Those rechargeable Nickel-Zink batteries have 2500mWh = 1562,5 mAh and are absolutely O.K. for the WMR controllers !
thx for the 1.6V battery tip
In the steam store is this headset valve index or windows mixed reality?😆
Valve index
WMR of course.
Could you please help me here, I bought the headset without the controllers last year. Now how do I buy the controllers alone? There is no such a thing in the market! Unbelievable.
The only thing better than the Index is the panel resolution and clarity, but they still work on a 90Hz 110º FoV, everything else is worse, but VS Oculus everything is better.
"but VS Oculus everything is better". Everything except the controllers - better tracking (occlusion & close-up), single battery, capacitive buttons, smaller tracking ring
I love ur vids
OMG u hearted it tysm and I’ve got a question my rift s headset is very broken but I haven’t got tonnes of money for an index or Vive so do I wait and see how much the new quest is or buy a second hand one
@@Oscar-05 Oculus has been pretty aggressive on their pricing, so I don't think the new Quest will be that expensive. Might even be the same price or lower than the current Quest. I'd wait.
Ville Väänänen thanks
Man non capacitive buttons makes this head set a no go for me. Which is a shame cause I think this is a worthy upgrade to my Rift S
0:14 holy smokes. i thought the new controllers would have some slight flaws and overall be better. but wow. wtf. why do they always make them so short? that cant be comfy. gonna need to get some extensions on those bad boys.
Tyriel probably just has big hands
Rechargeable LIPO pack accessory please @HP @johnludwig
No capacitive sensing means these are landfill almost right ootb.
IF You need raised dot on the menu button ask Your Girfriend's/Wife's manicurist to make acrylic dot on it :)
No clickable touchpad, just xbox like buttons. No no. The current controllers could have been more compact, smaller, but the functions these offer are better than button only controllers.
4:07 Tyriel, just buy one, 4k, OLED or LCD TV, 46-50 inch size, instead of 2 monitors :)
Do you know how he is using them? There are many cases where having 2 smaller monitors is 100x better (or even the only option) than having one large monitor.
"They don't feel as premium as the Oculus controllers"
Ouch, my Rift S controllers are cracked all over the place lol, had to superglue the rings twice on each. If that's premium I don't want to know what's not.
Premium doesn't mean indestructible lol
Touch controllers are great. HP ones don't really feel half as good.
I cant wait anymore i refunded my quest to buy this headset and it just look so good. keep up the good work
No capacative touch. I play VR Chat quite alot. This is why I'm probably not getting this one. I'll wait for either Oculus or Valve to release a HMD with a comparable screen. Maybe if the new Quest is a "Pro/S" instead of a "Lite" we'll get something like that.
@@christiancollins4726 for another 600 dollars... brilliant.
BTW: I had already thought of that, but the base stations are stupidly overpriced. Valve has already said they will sell them to OEM's for $60s each. +150% isn't a mark up, that's just bullshit.
Han Lockhart its a way to say you are really hyped for it to come
nice
i'm hoping the controllers will be 70-100 but i think they will probably be 100-120
Thank you Tyriel for this very good vidéo joys of HP G2 👍🏻👍🏻🇫🇷🇫🇷👍🏻👍🏻
Very very complète test 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The Best for me 👍🏻👍🏻
You are à real gamer as me 👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you for this review! Tough decision, the headset is something I wanna go for without a doubt but the lack of thumb detection is in fact a deal breaker for me. I play a lot of VRChat and as a content creator, it's sad to see half of an already limited amount of gestures become unusable. I hope HP still thinks of a solution for this in the near future.
If you buy base stations you can use index controllers with the G2
@@DarkAurora2002 Yes, I've been considering that. The biggest issue is the need of 2 HTC or Valve USB dongles to connect those controllers to without an Index headset. They aren't included with the controllers and neither HTC nor Valve sells them loose. And here in Europe, no store at all can deliver them. Importing them from the US will cost me about as much as buying 2 HTC trackers for the dongles and throwing away the trackers :(
Thank you so much for this honest Review. You are not like all the other payed facebook thugs. Thank you😘
No capacitive buttons ? What is this 2015 ? Way to drop the ball HP/WMR
Kind of annoying, but for me at least the capacitive touch didn't really add too much to my overall experience when playing with the rift CV1. Would definitely be nice to have it though.
Your thick accent and my inexperience with VR makes it impossible to tell which controller is the G2 and which... whatever the other one is.
The one with joystick is new
DON'T BUY THE PKCELL BATTERIES! They have the worst quality that you can get amongst the entire 2500mWh batteries. And btw, you should look for mAh Batteries, not mWh. Ampere is the scale you should consider checking.
2500mWh are appox 1600mAh. Don't let someone fool you with those higher looking numbers.
I've been using two sets of the PKCell batteries in my Samsung Odyssey for over two years now. I've had no problems with them at all. Yes, this is anecdotal, but it is my experience with them. I get over 15 hours of use from them before having to recharge them.
As long as those Nickel-Zink Batteries offer 1,6 Volts you can use them in the WMR controllers for 8-10 hour sessions before you have to replace them.
Just order an 8-pack of that rechargeable batteries and charge 4 of them while playing with the other 4 in the controllers.
Watch out you need a special Nickel-Zink Battery charger ..if you use other chargers which are not made for Nickel-Zink rechargeable batteries you will destroy your batteries ! ! !
After 8-10 hours of playing you have to change the batteries because the batteries have low charge inside the controllers ( never let them go below 25 % charge or the batteries will get some serious damage ! ), but the other 4 which you put in the charger are already 100% charged !
Those rechargeable Nickel-Zink batteries have 2500 mWh = 1562,5 mAh and are absolutely O.K. for the WMR controllers !
Wow, those look pretty awful. capacitive controllers and maybe better battery life would have been good.
its like going a year back from when the first set was made
Why don't they just do like Oculus with the controller. These are so bad for cooking a gun.
Not really, It depends on the temperature, and how long you cook that gun for. 🔥
These controllers kill the entire headset for me
Why did you stop making leak vids bout oculus?
there isn't any new info out for now, and what you see is all speculations, as soon as something comes up I will make them don't worry :)
touch button- please (vrchat user)
Please I want simple tutorial about mixed reality for oculus quest 🙏
Nagham what u mean?
@@wizardlizard2034 do you know about mixed reality capture??
I mean this 😔
If im understanding you correctly, I dont think thats possible to do.
@@lolpota892 No we can do this
80 per controller
First!
Cringe.
No one cares
I think touchpad is usefull!
For some reason I am getting some vive cosmos vibes from this headset. I hope i am wrong for your sake, but I am gonna pass on this headset.
Not keen on these controllers i think the rift ones are better
Ugh. Why do WMR manufacturers all make these chintzy, half-assed controllers? Come on. Valve and Oculus basically showed you guys the way.