Fallout 2 Is An Absolute Nightmare - This Is Why
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Fallout is back again! This time with Fallout 2. I have a feeling people are going to be mad at me this month…
I’ve actually played through Fallout 2 twice now and both times couldn’t get into it. It is a lot more like the modern games in the Fallout series but after making this review I realised that it just has too much text for me. Fallout 2 is also so long that the interface really starts becoming a problem.
As a reminder my current plan now is to do Fallout 3, Fallout 3 DLC, a secret extra Fallout 3 video, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 4, and Fallout 4 VR mods. This will take me years.
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UpIsNotJump: “I don’t like fallout 2”
The entire fallout community: “Who the fu-who-what-I’m gonna kick your ass, who is this?”
Hold my power armor
So the door is definitely soundproof?
"Next news on you will be when I read the after-action report."
I mean there is a reason everyone simps for New Vegas instead.
I was the guy who made that reddit post in the beginning. You bet your ass im going SGT Dornan on his ass
"Prometheus was the Greek god of gaming..." he says whilst dressed as a Roman Legionnaire
And Prometheus was a titan and got himself chained but him giving us great gifts ain’t exactly out of character he gave us fire after all
The script says "dressed as a Roman in wonder receiving it".
Im sorry but, 9:34
close enough
Vale.
Fallout Player: "I'm having trouble with the enclave!"
ITodd Howard; "Have you tried turning them enclave & offclave again?"
NO
NICE ONE
Hey, it made _me_ chuckle.
Why am I laughing like an idiot at this awful, terrible dad joke?
Heheheheh
I actually NEVER stumbled upon the notice board in the small town, so I discovered all of its quests organically by talking to every NPC I came across and probing my options.
And that is why its called an RPG.
Yeah, and he didn't even have to seek our every single NPC either, he chose to.
Also if you have low intelligence, you get annoyed by the board covered in stupid papers with markings that you don't understand lmao.
You clearly didn't experience the unique revelation of becoming a New Reno pornstar through 1998 skill-based game mechanics... Truly a magical childhood memory of mine
Indeed. And also thinking "Who's gonna know? What happens in Reno stays in Reno" only to enter SanFran and be greeted by "Oh, hey *porn name*, I'm a big fan!"
this is literally all i remember of Fallout 2
also boxing
@@rlira0908 Just don't get drunk and mix the two professions up. Lance still hasn't forgiven me for that black eye.
New Reno is probably the best experience I ever had in gaming
And if you have power armor you can talk to kids near Wright Family base, explain them that you don't have to take it off to pee cause it has build in filtering system that process urine into drinking water, and then see how they make fun of you for "drinking pee".
Fallout 2: 0/10 not enough Talking Heads
This is really funny, I love talking heads
It's true there weren't enough talking heads, but playing the game was still a Once In A Lifetime experience. I discovered a New Feeling when I played it as a Psycho Killer. As long as you don't play so much you forget to sleep, then you might find yourself going crazy and Burning Down The House. Then you'd really be on the Road to Nowhere and every day would feel like Life During Wartime.
I tried picking it up again to see if it had gotten better, but it’s just the same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
The real reason nobody likes the game
@@chriswhinery925 bravo!
Honestly, I find that the best policy to approach western RPGs with is a non-meticulous, non-completionist one: talk only to NPCs that it seems reasonable to talk to, don't explore every place of residence, walk around as a normal person would and only investigate what would catch the interest of your imagined character. You can always go back for what you missed in a future playthrough. Checklisting through NPC dialogue is a miserable experience even in modern western RPGs; instead envision the world presented to you by the game as the details a tabletop DM would give you and respond to it like you would to that.
I never thought of it that way, sounds kinda fun
@@majinfoo13 I tell myself the same thing every time but I still comb every pixel of the map.
This is how I play FNV
Indeed.
This is how they are intended for you to play lol.
"Are the cows taking there turn before me" had me laughing because that's something I did not expect to see lmao.
Yeah but this quest it still horrible cows are going right into dogs jaws, dog have two turns and it is near impossible to kill them all without losing at least one cow, cows dies after 4 hits, did I mention that there is milions of this dang dogs.
This quest is one with the worst, especially because Modoc is third location we visit and suddenly we have to deal with this shit.
"Moo, i say"
I FFFFFFFFUC@KIINg hate that mssion
@@kacperaskawski3461 Play the game using different approaches and builds. Go to different places in different orders, prepare for quests ahead of time using careful saves. the game is not that hard when you give it some thought (like many other CRPGs).
@@aversiac-2 yes I know this quest is much easier with enclave power armor and minigun, but if you play the game for the first time you will be destroyed, considering that dogs have two turns to screw you over, can kill bramins extremly quickly and they are too many of them.
10:28 reading the manual takes longer than playing the game
I wanted to disagree, but then i looked up the fastest speedrun time and oh my.. 9 minutes? That's really fast.
@@XPHonza my dumbass thought you meant someone speedran reading the manual... would sound like eminem rapping lol
@@selectionn i miss game manuals. Fallout's manuals were so thicc you could almost treat it as a dungeons and dragon's player manual and run pen and paper games from it.
He coukd startet reading it while reloading the game when someone is blocking the door or the halway. He would never get to the point where it says that youn can push someone out of the way but it would be a start
@@Jannover us old farts remember what instruction books were really for. Keeping us quiet on the drive home after mommy bought us a new game.
Mom: you have to do your math homework before you can play.
Kid: ugh! I HATE math!
Mom: Too bad, do you want a lecture, young man?
Kid: no, mom. Can i at least finish working out the mean average of my armor rating by comparing it to the variable damage output by enemy class over the square root of negative pi? I really dont want to get fisted by a super mutant.
Mom: thats it. We're getting you an exorcism.
To summarise: Science man doesn’t like reading,
@Nny Daggerfall > Morrowind
@@BrenturoX hard disagree. Although there are also those who claim arena is better than Morrowind so...not the worst take
@@garrettmarshall7664 why do you disagree tho? Morrowind took Daggerfall's Features and Innovations and cut them in half and reduced the map size by a lot so they could get money from the console market
@@BrenturoX I think we can agree that they're both great games.
@@depressedcheems9961 that's true. I think every TES game has something that makes it stand out from the others. Even Battlespire haha
Yes, you can get every quest in a town but you don't have to. You can just not do them if you don't want to. I didn't feel bombarded with quests because I didn't want to do quests for the sake of doing quests
That's dependent on what kind of player you are though. When I hate the way collectibles are obtained in a collect-a-thon, people tell me to just ignore those ones but to me, the point of a collect-a-thon is to get all the collectibles & beat all the missions so that's basically just saying "Don't play the game you spent money on. Problem solved."
It's similar for me with side quests in open world games. I wanna do all of them as long as they have some kind of story/character arc to them. If they're just fetch quests with no reward except items & money, I'll probably skip 'em though. I'll also skip 'em if they'd move the story in a direction I don't want or they're too out of character for my custom character.
@@D_YellowMadness No, you actually, really DON'T HAVE TO play ANYTHING. No, not even if you bought it. If you're not enjoying it then either get a refund or just uninstall it, how fucking difficult is that? If your OCD is really that bad then seek professional help.
Just don’t play the game you paid for lol, it’s not the game’s fault
@@mr.stuffdoer8483 Just because you paid for a game doesn't mean you have to squeeze out every last dollar of value. Side quests are optional for a reason, you don't have to do them if you don't want to, that's kinda the whole point.
@@mr.stuffdoer8483I’m sure you don’t 100% every game you ever play. Also the game is like $6 it’s not like you waste that much if you don’t click on every pixel.
Ya know, I think I know why Fallout 1 and 2 has this issue.
It's from that age of western rpgs that all wanted to emulate tabletop rpgs. Hell, fallout 1 was supposed to run off the GURPs system. It seems that Fallout 2's 'DM' has an issue with verbal exposition rather than events.
The thing is though... you choose those chats. Same how you can force your DM to make up a backstory for every person in every inn and town. You don't have to talk to everyone. You just do, because you see them and want quests.
I really fail to see how is that an issue with the game and not the player. Why would we want a game with few interactions and characters? In the modern day we have tons of games with no dialogue or ridiculously flat NPCs, hell, even Fallout 4 managed to just drop the ball that hard in a series that prided itself on dialogue > cheap action.
I get that the game's not for him, but there is nothing wrong with it.
So this RPGs "issue" is that it's trying to be a fucking RPG??? Jesus fucking christ, these comments are painful 🤦♂
@Esteemed Yams
It's issue is that it lean waaaaaay too hard into the R rather than the PG, which can be good, but for FO2 it's a detriment in gameplay.
Its just different strokes for diffent folks, look someone like sseth tzeentach. I love many of the same games he does his content on, be it roguelites, textbox drenched rpgs, virtual sims etc.
Theyre often stupid, esoteric, meandering timesinks and always a constant reminder that you could be touching grass instead.
But theres some real magic there, the level of detail, interaction and careful worldbuilding, the weight of the deciscions make them feel meaningful.
Its nerd shit basically and these games clearly still have an appeal. But you have to be in the right mood, and give the game the time its asking for. If you just mash trough text, beeline objectives and never stop to try and figure it out they become devoid of entertainment value.
A tactical shooter, mp or solo, platformer etc. Forces you to engage with them. Fallout instead presents you with this world ready to be cracked open and its your choice entirely on how to approach it.
Yeah, ppl back then wanted to play a game. Now people want to play a movie.
So, I think I figured out both why this game is for me, AND why I have a falsely inflated opinion of it. It all comes down to that moment when my jaw hit the ground and I said, out loud to an empty room, "You can check the BULLETIN BOARD?!?"
I've not played this game yet (still working on the first one) but my response to him mentioning the bulletin board was a similarly excited one. "Oh shit, that sounds so much more convenient!"
LMAO, same.
Exactly! You either love it or hate it
20 years later I finally found out you can use coins on Nuka Cola machines and get Nuka Cola.
I didn’t know about the board and I’ve completed the game 6 times! I always got my info from the drunk
I've played through F2 3 or 4 times, NEVER clicked that billboard in Klamath.
SAME ! The hobbo in front of it always distracts me
Same. I was like "Wait... what!?" xD
But my guess is our overall playstyle lends itself better to enjoy the design.
Never finished it but have played quite long probably 12 times since it came out and i never knew about it either. 😅 Kind of destroys the mystery and unknown nature of it all ☹️
I never played it as he said he did either. Liked fighting people and steal their shit to get going. Trying to find powerarmor 😅
I'm convinced UpIsNotJump just has a completely different playstyle than me because I have also NEVER touched the billboard. Maybe the older games really aren't his style.
I did check the billboard first and every consecutive playthrough and every single time I go "Nope, not reading all of that" and move on.
Why doesn't anyone ever talk of Jinxed runs? probably the most fun I've had in a fallout game.
Its weird that you had an issue with the notice board in Klamath. It would make sense to me that in a post apocalyptic town people who needed help would just put it on the town notice board.
The issue wasn’t the notice board, just how it’s presented (walls of text)
That might’ve been all they could do at the time, but it still contributes to the problem.
I guess he didn't realize that he didn't HAVE to accept all these quests, or even read them all.
That part of the review was pretty weird, and kinda falls flat once you realized that the game hardly forces you to do any of those things and just pick what you want to do.
While games nowadays will hold your hand all the way to the end, back then you were left to your own devices to figure out what to do and where to go most of the time.
@@okami_issho He was doing a review. That kinda obligates him to look into that sort of thing.
@@anonymousapproximation8549 does it? isn't making a review about telling about your own experience with the game and tell more or less objectively about how you could play the game?
@@DorkN313 To review something, you need to experience it. Can't say a game is good if you don't play it, and you can't say the whole game is good without playing the whole game.
For me, I'd rather have the "So much texts slapped at you" of fallout 1 & 2 than what is offered in Fallout 4.
Fallout 4 = Bad
Wow, Such an original take...👏👏👏
Fallout 4 isn't perfect, i sure prefer fallout 3 and specially NV, but playing 1&2 in 2024 is an absolute nightmare.
@Henrique-bz3ch I just spent 6p hours in like the last 2 weeks playing fallout 1 and 2 ans they were amazing. Only other CRPG I had played prior was BG3 and they still were extremely fun and engaging games.
No I avoid both tf wrong with you
I'm not a ai to read that much nooo just no I'm adult I only have 4 to play every two days
@@frenchfry4017 "everyone hates it, therefore it's actually good"
This game is the reason why I learned English, I was like 13 when I played it first and at 15 I could read books and watch movies in English because my interest in Fallout2 made me want to understand the context and all the conversations I was having in the game... I understand it isn't for everyone but to this day it's so nostalgic to me
Yes! Exactly! No internet, no one to ask for help, no translation, nothing. Just a hellishly addictive game and us, a bunch of kids brainstorming a gaming equivalent of a neuro-surgery (quite literally in fact, of you recall the Skynet quest)
Gta San Andreas taught me English and it was noiceee
Same story here.
Exactly. I was playing this game with a massive English dictionary on my lap. Now, I manage huge projects in international corporations in English.
@@impact0r Projects such as FEV virus research? ;-)
I can never unsee the “David Bowie before he kicked his Heroine addiction” resemblance
Honestly I don’t see it
I could see "young david bowie", but have never thought Matt looks like a drug addict.
@@darlinglionheart4195 he isn’t nearly thin enough for the thin white duke look
But it’s nothing cocaine and fresh dye can’t fix
@@nawaf6993 LMAO next masterclass: "How to increase traffic by looking like your favorite coke addict celebrity."
Should be coke addiction, Bowie never touched heroin
I want a whole video of just you voicing the death screens, it’s just too good.
_You stepped on a piece of Lego._
"You have died"
Hi, this comment is from 2024 and has a warning. Don't read the comments section. Seriously, just watch the video and move on. It's not worth it.
He pissed off the fallout 2 horde
Look, you're not wrong, and I've never actually completed FO2 more than once (as compared to FO1 which I've played to completion at least a dozen times) but I'm still going to be mad about this because nostalgia lies to me and I've accepted that.
Ive never played them because i dont have a pc
I've tried them but I grew up with fallout 4 which I have played a dozen times (its not the best fallout though) and I just can't get used to the way fallout 1 and 2 play
@@christophertidwell2422 fallout 4 is my favorite game ever
@@Chuked Narrow horizon, eh?
@@hirocheeto7795 nope, I’ve played hundreds of other games from Red dead, to half life, to Fallout New Vegas, and I’m very confident in saying not most games even come close to this one… Fallout 4 captivated me like no other game has ever done before
The early fallout games make a lot of sense when you consider them in context: they were trying to mimic tabletop RPGs, effectively creating a game where you were a party of one and the computer was the GM. The real problem is that, well, computers make for infamously rigid and railroady GMs.
They weren't just mimicking lol the stat system is from GURPS, a TTRPG rule set lol
And yet it works in Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment, Knights of the Old Republic...
That is a weak excuse for anything game play-related, much less story-related. No good DnD game just has a sign right in front of the town that has every quest in the area written on it. No good DnD wastes time with dozens of talking NPCs that go no-where and offer nothing.
@@seprithlicastia463 just say you want streamlined rpgs and stop pussy footing around it
@@darthkek1953 kotor is not the same kind of game as fallout except that they are both rpgs, other then that no
So the summary of the two classic fallout videos is “don’t play these games if you have ADHD”
Rule #1 of playing Fallout 2 on a modern PC: *Get the Fallout 2 Restoration Patch*
hey i know its been 8 months but u dont mind me asking why ? like do u need the patch does it make the game better ?
@@brandonmccann15 it’s a combo of bug fixes and cut content restoration.
@@surprisedchar2458 hey thank u for telling me. do u know if fallout 1 has soemthing similar?
@@brandonmccann15Fallout Restoration Mod
Psychologist: “Scottish Hagrid doesn’t exist, he can’t hurt you”
Scottish Hagrid: 😈
I was in bed watching this video and when that entire sequence popped up I started rolling on the bed from laughter and fell down on my head (hardwood oak floor) and now my head hurts
Why did I read that in Hagrid’s voice
@Java Monsoon I highly doubt Rowling would give a transsexual character a major part in Harry Potter
Robbie Coltrane, the actor who plays Hagrid, is Scottish.
As someone who’s actually lived in Reno their entire life, I’ve always had a soft spot for Fallout 2 since my city isn’t really represented a lot in media.
Wait its a real city?
Reno 911
@@scientist8586 yeah Reno is in North west Nevada near the california border, it's like a couple hour drive east from Sacramento California
Likewise myself and Redding. Imagine my surprise hearing my low-key hometown getting mentioned in Fallout games!
It‘s also the biggest little city in the world
This is my favorite game.
I played through it probably five times before I even bothered to read through those dialogues.
Then, once I realized how much humor was hidden in those dialogues, I played through it a bunch more times, making sure to not miss a single quest or a single joke.
That's the beauty of this game: you can play it in so many different ways, and it will keep rewarding you for doing things different than the last time. If you don't like the dialogues you can play as a really stupid charachter. You won't be able to form full sentences and most NPC's will mock you condecendingly. It is hilarious.
Yes, Fallout2 is much slower than modern games, much like old movies are much slower pace than modern ones.
Even back then I had many friends who would get bored with this style of games and would rather play Tekken or Mario cart.
I still enjoy this game a lot, especially since the fan-made Fallout2 restoration patch was released. This patch mended the game with a lot of locations and features that was originally supposed to be in the game but was cut for time reasons.
Fallout 2 is amazing, playing it for the first time as an 11 year old kickstarted my love for RPG’s in general. It blew my mind as a kid, and I still play it to this day. Becoming a heavyweight prize fighter, becoming a porn star, being a slaver, a made man in the mafia, etc. it truly is one of my favorite games of all time
This is all getting very abstract, but thank you, I do enjoy working at the bowling alley
You have balls to tell story' You work to place with lot of Balls
@@memesfromdeepspace1075 bars
@@memesfromdeepspace1075 maybe he likes balls. Maybe he likes polishing balls, maybe you like balls too hmm.
idk whats happening but my first job was a bowling alley
@@tombadil64 did you like balls? Do you like polishing balls? Balls are good for you hmm.
I like how your videos are less than 20 mins. It feel like video essay are getting longer and longer without offering that much. You pack so much into a short video with good writing and editing. 😊
I see you everywhere man
I personally enjoy the longer video essays, but he does make great videos
I wish it was longer
I NEED MORE COMEDY
No, i am left not satisfied when he finishes this soon.
@@bozak5130 I like the video essays while I'm doing busy work at work. It just keeps me from having to soak in the dread that half the population of the world chooses ignorance and fear and anger over even doing nothing. Like why is the default hatred and not lazyness. Why do people need someone else to suffer to be happy. I don't understand. The inner machinations of their minds are an enigma SpongeBob.
Tldr:
Long video essays good
5:45 I have played this game over and over again(the early parts WAY more than any of the later parts) so I know a ton of what you can do in the Klamath and i am NOW LEARNING you can look at the notice board....
Fallout 2 seems like the kind of thing I'd have really liked as a kid with infinite time and a love of games. But it's content and atmosphere would've terrified me too much to play it at that age.
Fallout 2 isnt that spooky, IMO. There are several large towns, thrying to rebuild the old world. There is paper money instead of bottlecaps, in vitro fertilisation, democracy, large scale indusrty, even a mining town where humans and mutants coexist in peace.
Now Fallout 1 is something else entirely... That one was desolate and spooky af
Have you ever looked at under rail? It’s like the old fallouts with the isometric layout but without a lot of the trials of text based games. Also psychic brain powers and punching dog size rats to death.
You get to punch chihuahuas and pugs? I'm sold.
and crawlers... *I FUCKING HATE THOSE THINGS I WISH I CAN DELETE THEM OFF THE GAME*
@@yerlocaljacc8461 crawlers give me a stroke my goodness, there’s no good way to deal with em
@@frankietimmz2582 flares reveal them
@@frankietimmz2582 glad its not just me being shit at the game its hard to even fight them in general in ANY way burrowers are supposed to be "ooo scary" but they are easy af compared to those scum named "crawlers"
I almost turned into a monstrous person in the mob that want to kill you, but gave you a chance. Your points are fair and I totally understand why you or other people might dislike this game, in the past I have not received such a well formatted answer to "why do you not like the game if you liked the first one?"
Bugger that, plane tickets bought, brigade is forming, pitchforks are sharp and torches in abundance.
Fallout 1 and 2 are very different games, both tonally and story-wise, regardless of how similar graphically they appear.
@@seprithlicastia463 Yeah totally. I just find Fallout 2's world and main story much more engaging.
Fallout 1: Okay here's a town. It has at most 2 load screens. You can talk to 3 people at most, and they give you 3 things to do at most (except the hub). You finish these things, do them, and you can leave.
Fallout 2: Okay here's a town. It has 5 load screens. Hahahahahaha here's 5 million things you should probably do. And also, you move really slowly (both in game, between the 5 load screens of the town, and also between towns).
If you get to a part of Fallout 1 that isn't great, you're out of there in an hour at most.
If you get to a part of Fallout 2 that isn't great, have fun trudging through 10 hours of not having fun.
@@seprithlicastia463 I like Fallout 1 much more than 2 as well. I like both, but 1 is much tighter tonally, and had considerably less scuff and padding.
This is the first game I ever played on PC. I had a great uncle that had become a bit of a gamer in his more "can't walk around as much" years. Like a true man he chose PC gaming and had a huge collection of games that he had amassed over a decade or so. When he died and they were going through his stuff the family tossed all his games in a "donate" pile, which I took as meaning they were donating them to anyone with a need for badass PC games. I didn't get away with all of them, but I got Revenant, Fallout 1, Fallout 2, Ultimate Doom, Sim City 2000, Warcraft 2, Duke 3D, and Starcraft. For some reason I can't remember, the first one I installed was Fallout 2. I played the *absolute shit* out of it after figuring out the obtuse interface, guided by my great uncle's notes that were included in the box. Good times. The radio conversation at the ghoul reactor with the Enclave soldier is still my favorite part of the entire game. Good times.
2:25 Literally EVERY game that wasn't arcade prior to like, 1979, was either all text or text with occasional splash graphics.
Fallout 0, Wasteland 1988, was mostly text and DOS graphics. And text still ruled the day for most of the 1990s, Half Life 1 was the big shift to gameplay oriented storytelling and the end of the text based day of things
“I don’t care how good your points are, you’re still wrong.” - my nostalgia
Amen.
Best Fallout. Fallout 2.
I am not particularly fond of Fallout 2, but I have to admit, the writing is the one of best I've seen
His first point is "reading is hard" so that makes the rest of his arguments invalid
Amazing way to sum up every fan of FO1 and 2.
I absolutely love Fallout 2, it's one of the most formative games I ever played in my youth, how dare you express it in it's full and unbiased truth that it is the mostly railroaded and RNG cluster that it is?!
Honestly this is the most comprehensive and legitimate description of the Fallout universe that I've ever experienced, so thank you for your sacrifice to those who never had to experience isometric tactical RPGs.
@Spinach Chavez fallout 1, tactics and new vegas are the best for legitimate storyline, but 2, 3 and 4 are best for personal autonomy.
@@DarkPatu Surprised you know the story of fallout tactics. It is said to be non cannon, but vault 88 and hellfire PA is entirely based on fallout tactics. Plus the bos leader Maxon in fo4 being synth is very similar to Tactics boss turning into cyborg. Too bad they use it but say it is non cannon
@@demonspawn5164 the expansion of the BoS throughout 2 and tactics prepares people for the overhaul present in 3 and Vegas.
@@DarkPatu I say NV is superior than 3 or 4 for the personal autonomy and freedom of choice.
Never played tactics.
the only point of criticism that I never understood is about the RNG, after all my many playthroughs I hardly died because of RNG, I would say that 90% of the time it happened was mostly my fault
I love fallout 2, I've spent hundreds of hours on it, and I've NEVER read the klamath notice board. Who arrives at a post apocalyptic dreg of human civilization as a tribal wasteland warrior and stops to read the notice board???
* nervously raises hand *
Well, of the three pre-made characters available at character creation Narg probably wouldn't have but Mingan and Chitsa would have. That's the thing about the early Fallouts. You might be the Chosen One but you could be a violent warrior, a calm diplomat or a duplicitous assassin. Or any of a dozen other personalities. Like the host himself said, he didn't really understand what was great about Fallout 1 until he went back and played it through multiple ways.
Anyone who plays with a “leave no stone unturned” mentality that this game seems to expect you to have in order to find all its shit.
FO2 is one of my favorite games of all time. I play it at least once every couple of years. The interface certainly hasn't aged too well and the learning curve is like climbing Everest but once you get past all that there's a experience unlike no other waiting for you. Few other games gave or give you the choice and freedom that Fallout 2 did.
I still like the video, even though you don't like Fallout 2. Great job Matt!
Not gunna lie, it hurt my soul.
I think its entirely legit to admit you didnt like F2. Im not even sure i even liked it, i just think i say i do because i played it all the way through.
You know, like finishing a book you didnt like. You feel a greater sense of accomplishment than if you just read something you actually enjoyed.
Im proud of having finished that shit fucking boring ass bullshit book Moby Dick, but i hated nearly every page in it while doing it, then when i was done, i though it wasnt that bad.
I watched your full fallout 1 playtrough in one night
@@timmian85 all games are subjective really i guess. Like I can’t stand fortnite or candy crush type crap, but a damn trillion other people do
@@ded2thaworld963 Yeah, but there are some games that you are not allowed to like and some you're not allowed to dislike it seems. Like you need 7 proxies to say something good about fallout 3's story lol. And you get the same result for saying something bad about New Vegas.
Its a shame Disco Elysium got mentioned for its lots of text, but it wasnt mentioned that the Final Cut version came out recently, which has added narration/VO to *all* the text.
I definitely couldnt have stood the game if i played when it was just text, just like the issue you have with Fallout 2, but now that it has full voice over it's *incredibly* fun and easy to sink hours into listening to what's happening
I finished Disco Elysium literally 2 days before the Final Cut came out. That’s when I realized my life was a joke.
The Final Cut sucks actually. The voice acting in the original fit the tone much better
I forgot they were doing that. I need to redownload that game
I don't know, I generally don't mind a fuck ton of text if the text is well written.
the most absurd thing about me in games is I often skip the voice acting when I've read the subtitles but I still don't like completely text based games
As mentioned in the Strategy Guide and Manual, the Bulletin Boards are intended to make finding specific quests easier or for the 'expert of the wasteland' who wants to see everything there is to do.
You aren't supposed to use it on your first playthrough, as mentioned in the manual you should just talk to the occasional NPC. You can't do everything in one playthrough that's Ludicrous.(and also literally impossible if you're insane enough to try. Several quests require specific high states and you can't have them all at once. And any quests that involve picking a side are the same. Fallout 1 even did this, you lost access to Decker's quests if you helped the Sheriff, the Sheriff's if you helped Decker, and the Theives Guild if you worked too much with either. You could either join the Khans and get more EXP now, or betray them now for a tough fight, but prevent them from causing trouble, or leave them along and only deal with them when Tandi is in trouble. You can't do all 3)
I'd really hate to see how you'd handle something like Daggerfall, which has thousands of quests and hundreds of towns, 95% of which are just for explorers or people casually grinding or larping and aren't relevant to the main story. Coming into this sort of game like you've got a checklist to complete is a really bad idea, no two playthroughs are meant to be identical. Daggerfall's map is the size of California, if you decide you don't want to use Fast Travel you're going to be riding on horse back between small towns for hours, doing quests at each pitstop, between the big cities where the main quest continues.
Thank you for reminding me why I love fallout 2 so much.
British man neurotically speaks to EVERY NPC, becomes overwhelmed.
Well he was doing a review
@@jimmyjohnjohnson9803 Yeah but that's just not how you play this game, ofc it's going to be boring when you force yourself trough all the conversations you can possibly find at once then try to complete all the quests after, he's basically destroying the pace of the game by his own free will then complains about it lol
It's like if your friend asks you to help him real quick and you say "sure" then ask everyone else in the neighborhood if they need your help before finally trying to help everyone at once, who does that ?
@@BxPanda7 but that’s how i play games, like barely a counterpoint or anything but like why put the characters there if you’re not supposed to talk to them? idk?
@@elizabethlindsay3722 replayability... I've finished fo2 twice and I could still go in today and find new people to talk to or new quests or whatever. not really my style trying to loot every single container and exhaust every single line of dialogue so every playthrough is not too long but different each time
@@Benny-xy4oz that makes no sense.
we're seeing him slowly lose his mind in real-time
6:34 he forgot to mention that 1 wrong question and you can turn the entire town hostile at certain places
Another classic Matt! Looking forward to the next one!
The funniest part of his fear of being killed by fallout 2 fans is one of the few things I know about this game is that almost everyone except him really dislikes the opening.
ClumsyGarage I like the opening, cuz I like to play fighters and the beginning is the only part where they don't suck!
It's not as bad as people make it out to be but it's definitely worse than 1, and feels very forced in.
It's honestly really good when you play it for the first time. On the following replays though, ooooooh brother.
@@Lego6979 that too. It's a slog after.
@@nihilism6226 whoa? Playing f2 with melee chars is most convenient things to do in this game. Except early random encounters with raiders, but a bit after, you kan kick the metall asses with such ease and become a famous GROIN KILLER
Story wise, it’s the best in my opinion.
Gameplay wise I want to blow my brains out after I miss the same damn ant for the 50th time.
You used the jinxed perk too huh
Well, you could try to blow your brains out, but you’d probably miss.
Almost makes me wish for a nuclear winter...
@@Genasidal _Quicksaving…_
Fo2 lacks the focus of Fo, so I can't rate it higher in terms of writing.
This is probably one of my favorite videos you have ever made. Been watching you since 2017 and I still can't get over how amazing and entertaining this video is. Keep it up Mr.Jump
Really enjoyed the review. There were a lot of constraints building the game in such a short time, with a big mandate to re-use as much as possible from Fallout 1. For example, both budget and time were reasons that there were so few talking heads in the game. Some the best ideas and dialog were put together in the wee small hours of the morning. Kind of a miracle that it shipped tbh. Glad that everyone enjoyed it as much as they did. :)
When I played Fallout 2, I kept dying at the beginning, and I was too uncharismatic to talk my way out of fighting, so I just stole his key and ran off.
In Czech Republic, we loved Fallout 2 so MUCH... everybody was playing it those days. At the time, it was quite open world, possible to finish it with different approach and the humor... oh, the humor and gore were awesome. I respect your opinion, but it!s still wrong. :D
Russian 90s kid here, I grew up on this one. Hell I had to learn english in order to finish it. We’d gather together with kids from my block and brain storm segments like Sierra Army Depot or New Reno families’ quests. It took us god knows how long to finish it and while doing so the process grew over with stories and legends, fake or otherwise. No internet (besides shitty dial up prolly only my house in the entire neighborhood), no guides, no cheats. Only a ruthless piece of addicting software in a language we barely understood and no correct or wrong way to play it. Oh and the first time I ran out of time and my character died of old age is probably the first time ever I contemplated suicide.
@@Badchi You are a person of culture. It was quite the same here. Damn, such a great childhood.
@@evickaklierova3107 Figured it was. I don’t think they licensed and translated many games in eastern Europe back then. Hell, probably anywhere else too. Sink-or-swim kind of experience, huh? Who knows, maybe it is due to that very fact we are able to commune here now (because god knows it’s not thanks to my high-school teacher, lol)
@@Badchi Games like Fallout (1 and 2), Baldur's gate and even the first Diablo are the reason I speak and understand english today. I never liked english lessons at school, but the games, and then movies brought me to enjoying and succesfully learning the language.. so it's not only fun and art, it's also quite a portion of education. :)
Czechs also made best fallout total conversion mod called "1.5 resurrection". Bůh ti žehnej.
Fallout 1&2 were great titles for their day. They still hold up for telling an interesting story in a compelling way
I fell in love with Fallout 1 & 2, which I did recently.
Watching your video I was wondering "how can he not like this game when he accurately describes the mechanics, while showing elements that the average person would miss".
End of video: "ok the guy actually played Fallout 2 and intelligently demonstrates what he didn't like and what could be called flaws (according to the player)".
Your demonstration is very intelligent (and funny), proof of that is the wisdom of the comments, in France we would have guillotined for less (I hate the big mouth of mine but I also love them somehow).
A very nice presentation to follow, I still like these games, but I understand better why they could not be appreciated.
Merci venant d'un joueur français, bonne continuation à vous!
(Thank you coming from a French player, very good continuation to you!)
"the signs are everywhere. sick children." (shows a kid doing a kickflip)
Nah that's what a remaster would have as an easter egg if you held Y while the intro loads
Needs more upvotes!
First off: I agree
second off: how dare you? F2 is my childhood!
My sentiment exactly.
Every time I played fallout 2 and got to that city, I had no idea I could interact and just take quests from that bulletin board… wow
So Fallout 2 is a nightmare because you don't like reading. Ok...that's actually a perfectly legit reason to not like old rpgs in general.
Sometimes even in the new games it gets so jarring when it’s bullshit convo, I do think a voiced protagonist helps to keep things a little more interesting for me personally
Fallout 2's one of my favourite games of all time, I probably play through it every other year or so since it came out, at least a dozen times total.
I had no idea that message board in Klamath was something you could even look at.
It's been 20+ years.
Ah, my favourite past time, "is this interactable or just part of the decor".
Reminds me of when i got stuck in ravenholm because i thought the door i was supposed to go through was a flat texture.
@@QueueWithACapitalQ Word of advice: In Source Games, usable doors will always have doorknobs modeled
@@Kono_Dio-Da Yes, I have played many thousands of hours in source games since then.
Heres a fun fact about doors, some doors open and close fully before you can interact with them, if you stand behind or otherwise wedge them they wont be able to open. Other doors can be interactedd again allowing you to spam the door holding it in place. Both of these effectivly lock the door. Usefull if you want to be boreing in prophunt and just sit in a dead end room with 1 door and not even bother disguising yourself.
😂😂
I did see it but did what I would do in real life and ignored it. I don't think FO2 was imagined as a game where most would pick up every quest Ina run.
Redding is actually a real city in Northern California. I grew up in the mountains near it and it's basically the same as in the game, down to the radiation. I also love how he referred to it as a town, I grew up with it as the only city near me.
I live in Medford so I couldn’t help but smile when I saw Klamath in the game!
If you’re still around there, hope you survive the fires this year. I know I’ve got my go bag packed
Your new format is brilliant! Keep it up!
If Fallout 1 is a cool, insightful friend that you met at a bar, Fallout 2 would be the insane drug and alcohol fueled bender that you go on with them to an EDM music festival that tests the boundaries of your friendship, either strengthening or destroying it in the process.
fallout 3 is the morning after
This is probably the only game I've sunk like.... over 2000 hours into, from when I was a little boy, to this day lol.
The restoration project is an absolute masterpiece by the way.
restoration project?
Replayed it a lot in vanilla, then discovered restoration mod and it was the best thing it existed, wished I've played it b4 with that
F2 and Baldur's Gate 1&2 (2 if I have to pick one) are my "stranded on an island" games. I've played them fairly regularly for about 20 years and I still get giddy over discovering little things here and there.
Must be played with the fallout restoration project, seriously just try
@@MiSambra ad Diablo 2 in there and I could replay those games for the rest of my life without getting bored!
Oh yes could you please recommend the diet that got you slim as seen in the thumbnail Mr.Upisnotjump
They called it the African Cleanse
I believe it’s mostly based on nuclear fallout
Its the death diet. Hasn't failed a single creature since discovered.
It's called the blue beans diet and you can only eat lead.
I love how you say it's not for you, yet lavish praise after praise. I do agree I miss the voice acting. I absolutely love the tragic ending of the talking death deathclaws and Gorrick
Ahh the games that had a manual instead an obligated tutorial so you could choose to jump in or read all the tricks beforehand. Peak of gaming, no mercy to ADD folks.
The Enclave sound like Payday characters and I love it so much
Thanks, now i can't help but imagine an Enclave soldier yelling for a Doctor Bag
@@TheAtomicWarrior
*MR PRESIDENT, I NEEEED A MEDIC BAG*
Frank Horrigan be like :
DONACDUM MUTIE
(But yeah some line would be great especially for pager answer)
Enclave answering a pager...Oh god I can see it already
Time to mod that in as a voice line
I don't like a lot of reading in games, but for some reason this wasn't an issue for me in Fallout 2.
I think it’s because fallout 2 borders on being a “playable book”
And it’s amazing writing! In between the… the game bits.
So if you’re like me and you love getting immersed into a good book then this game is awesome! But if you want to play a game then I relent that this may not be the best place for that.
Still a lot of fun though.
It's the infinity engine.
Idk man, for me I legitimately take large moments of out my HIGH OCTANE HIGH ACTIVITY GAME PLAY to just sit around and read the nice lore.
I just like the lore when *I* have to look for it.
Awesome writing, eerie background music, good payoff if you pay attention to the story.
Plus who can't forget those times where it breaks the fourth wall.
Do a dumb character next - less reading, but you'll have to read everything again as the dialogue is different.
"Doctor: what's your symptoms?" "Me glow in dark"
I honestly think there isn't actually people who "don't like story-based games" just people who don't play games with good stories.
AKA Nintendo 1st party fans.
I just randomly stumbled across your videos and I absolutely love them already and I’ve only watched 2 so far
3:04 this made my heart jump it sounds exactly like the fire alarm at my uni before it's about to go off (I'm not even at uni at the moment)
Jumpisnotup has returned to mildly shit on the fallout series once again
Not is up jump
And we love it
@@TehBuhmDiggeee jump not up is
Is Up not Jump?
@@The_Endless_Now jump is up. Not.
i actually prefer f1, it feels more laconic, every time i try to replay the second one, i'm entering the first town, stop for a second and like "H... how many quests is here?!?"
I agree. I love 1 to death and I always get super pissed whenever I play 2. The rng in the desert is absolutely fucked, and the enclave are way more annoying than the deathclaws and supermutants in 1.
But, do you HAVE to do them?
@@facundon2032 If you want to level up at all? Yes.
Of course, you can just skip straight to the ending of the game immediately if you want to.
To me Fallout 2 has the better story, but I have to say Fo1 is greater in the sense of how iconic it is.
@@facundon2032 from what i've read so far, fallout 2 excels in side quests lore and stories, so if you want to experience the good sides of fallout 2, i'd say you do have to do them
8:37 this part absolutely send me. I was on the ground dying from my belly laughs
"Just so we're clear, "
*picks up glass*
"Get it? Because it's see-through -- I'm wasted on you."
Comedy gold. Even the sponsorship spiel's a treat to watch.
I think your problem was the completionist approach with guides, wiki etc. It was so fun for me to play that game all those years ago again and again, each time discovering something new and awesome, meet people that I never met and even visit new unseen locations...
That is possible, but that's also another reason why the game didn't age well. Nowadays you're supposed to go do whatever to find whoever and talk to everyone in order to get the most complete experience. Unless you're playing a Ubisoft game. It's very rare for a game that has come out in the last 2 decades to not encourage a completionist playstyle, so finding an old game that doesn't work like that just doesn't work, game design has evolved too much for that.
@@Barlakopofai I mean why would you skip out on gameplay, I don't really get why someone wouldn't try to find content
@@Barlakopofai RPGs are better when they are rich enough to support different playthroughs with different characters, whether that's a combat build, dialogue choices, factions or quests. Doing every single quest because it's there feels comparatively boring. I'd rather just do the ones that actually seem like they would interest my character or they believe in.
Yup, that's exactly that. This game really shined for me when I abandoned completionist approach and actually tried to role-play a character - otherwise you simply get overwhelmed.
Even in-game mechanics are implemented in the way that you actually don't have to complete everything - you can get enough resources with pretty much any playstyle, nothing is mandatory.
he has the looks and the energy of a young, heroin addicted david bowie
Injectable cocaine, but yes.
First i didnt believed but then i searched it and i could only say "holy shiet". The looks ar uncanny
I always found it fun how game progression makes You completely forget about your original quest :)
Love this format, keep it up!
Huh. If he ever plays Planescape: Torment he might just implode as it is pretty much a playable book.
it's a playable book until it stops being a playable book, and then you restart because you didn't invest into magic enough
Yeah, he already disses Disco Elysium. Reading is obviously not his thing.
See, having played through all of the fallout games, I can say that the first two are an... acquired taste. You either love every second of it or are bored out of your mind the entire way through. There is no in between
There is. I do not like Fallout 2, but can recognize that my criticisms for it are a matter of taste and I can understand why some people like what I do not from it. As such, my opinion of 2 falls rather middling. Similar with Fallout 1: I like it, but it has enough flaws it falls down to middling. If you told me you hated 1 or 2, I would shrug and say "I get that". Same thing if you told me you hated it.
the "read the manual" argument is so dumb, I don't wanna have to read a f*cking book to simply know how to play a game
Thanks for making this. I wanted the fight scenes in Fallout, so i always pressed randomly through the conversations.. Nobody has time for that.
A modern "proper" take on Fallout 2 can end only in three possible outcomes - Caravaneer 2, DA:O/2 or Outer Worlds. As you can see, not the kind of games that could be easily mixed together into a single project.
There's Wasteland 2, which was pretty alright.
Don't know if I'd put Outer Worlds in the same galaxy as FO2.
@@Chopstorm. Outer Worlds is Obsidian's version of Fallout, and considering that the best Fallout, best KOTOR, and some of the best CRPGs are Obsidian's (Tyranny, Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2), they clearly know what they're doing.
Outer Worlds has already been done. It's called Fallout: New Vegas (also Obsidian). Different time period, different location, but ultimately, the exact evolution of Fallout 2, where 3 was the perfect follow-up to Fallout 1. For an isometric game, again Obsidian kind of has that cake. Just look at Tyranny and the two Pillars of Eternity games. They could probably bring in a real-time with pause isometric game pretty well to life in fallout. The other alternative, for the turn-based aspect is either going through a Divinity: Original Sin direction, which well and truly updated the original Divinities into the modern era, or a sort of XCOM 2012 but with less retarded chances to hit. The D:OS direction is probably the better as it follows closely to the game's open world iso crpg style, than XCOM's mission based system.
I don't think a Dragon Age take would work as well because then you're combining the two things that never went together in a fallout game: 3D and tactics. The full 3d Fallouts are FPS RPGs with relatively minimal tactics, and a higher focus on combat ability or the stealth/speech/etc. skill to avoid combat altogether. The 2d Fallouts allowed for much more tactical combat, that was more focused on the character's ability than the player's. Dragon Age Origins and 2 incorporated a real-time-with-pause system in full 3d, which worked because it was an extension from it's origins in the first KOTOR, and the Baldur's Gate series (and the DnD games in general of that era). Fallout could probably go in that direction at the cost of the fanbase however. The veterans of 1 and 2 would be put off by the 3D and it's connotations into 3, 4, and especially 76, while the more recent fans would find the departure from the FPS style a turn-off. Furthermore, that system worked in DA because you had a party, while the Fallouts have always been relatively solitary journeys, where the occasional companion acted more as additional inventory and bullet sponge, than anything significant toward easing the fights.
DA:O/2?
I don’t think anyone remembers how they found upisnotjump, but they all just sticked around and enjoyed all of it
FO4 is an absolute nightmare.
Not everyone's memory is as bad as yours ^_^
Bob Ross Fallout 4 Machinima
I kinda do. It was one of the Fallout 4 Nightmare ones (possibly VR), and then I Tweeted the Elite Dangerous one to a popular Twitter handle who were talking about the game and that got a bazillion RT's and likes so you're welcome/I'm sorry/[redacted]/Gary I guess.
I remember binge watching Bob Ross videos and getting recommended his Fallout Bob Ross memes
The Bob Ross Video Game
At first I was upset, because I loved this game so much. But since the year is 2022, you make some good points. This game was clearly amazing for its time, given it was a quickly made sequel.
It has tons of exposition, to a fault. And it's HARD. They don't really make games like this anymore, especially since you're expected to read the manual before you can even enjoy it. If anything, this video has made me want to replay the first one again.
Entertaining and insightful analysis. Thanks for posting.
Btw I think Bowie had more of a taste for coke than heroin, which is the vibe I'm getting from this video.
Yeah, I hated hacking in Bioshock 1 as well, and was very happy they made it much more streamlined and easier (and soulless) in Bioshock 2
I love listening to a British man who sounds like he just got through with his divorce papers talk about fallout two
The only thing I don’t understand is how arroyo went from settled hero to crazy tribals in 3 generations...
Clearly you've never been to a musical festival like Leeds Music Festival, Glastonbury or Burning Man. Imagine that for eighty years.
@@Armageddon2077 haha great analogy
I remember being 10 years old and getting raped by that super mutant in broken hills for the first time. I thought no one would know… until I went to the tanker. Everyone knew.
Your videos are straight chaos…. I love it
Wait... that was a quest board? I never bothered clicking on it and just explored the town and wasteland until I found something interesting.
It's not so much a quest board as just a board with notes on it, were people who need something post what they need... Like a real life billboard XD
Same here. I played this game so often that I exactly knew where and how to get the best equipment within the first like two hours of the game.. but not once did I notice that notice board. But I guess we were the lucky ones then. I can see how this notice board can overwhelm new players instantly. I always hate it when games throw this many quests in at you in an instant. It's great if you know the game, but if you are new..? Then it can be quite confusing I suppose.
@@johankarlsson1776 Yes, the town billboard working like an actual billboard is so 'unimmersive' .... What?!
If Tarzan don't like billboard, Tarzan don't look billboard.
Problem solved
Tarzan must touch billboard, Tarzan must make pointless points about billboard. Tarzan mad!!!
clickbait UA-cam video made
To encourage himself to keep the script shorter, every page ended with the line "destroy a computer"
this video restarted my fallout addiction and also made me want to play the originals
The voice acting for the Enclave encapsulates my online interactions.
Oh the memories... I played over 1k hours in this game... I knew every trick, every secret. I think I tried all approaches. But Ive never clicked on that board in klamnath... Wtf? Awesome video cheers!
Sid turned himself into a pen , funniest shit i’ve ever seen
The exploration in the game, the lore, the sneaky things you could find as a reward for exploration--that was my favorite aspect to the game.
1:32 I can't tell you how many times that lingering thought crosses my mind.