Back in the day, ATI used to make "SE" versions of cards. It was supposed to make you think "Special Edition", when it really meant Stunted. I'll call it the GTX 970 SE!
@@IcebergTech Heh reminds me of the GTX 460 SE. It had 1gb of Vram but it performed on par with the 768mb neutered version of the card instead of the actual 1gb card. It was priced between the 768mb and the regular version for black friday sale. Ah Nvidia 12 years and you never changed a bit.....
I don't know why Nvidia insists on making really powerful GPUs with low VRAM, they always have the minimum required to run current titles with nothing to spare (except fort the 10 series) maybe some sort of planned obsolescence but I don't know if that is really the case because it scares away buyers at the same time. I for once really wanted to get a 3070 or 3070Ti but with 8GB of VRAM it's just not worth it, I couldn't afford a 3080 and since I play at 1440p the 3060 wasn't exactly in my radar so I went the AMD route for the first time in my life and got a 6700 XT, so I don't know if Nvidia is exactly profiting from that decision. I guess there are a lot of Nvidia fanboys out there that will only buy from them no matter what crap they put out "bEcAuSe dRiVeRs AnD nVeNc" but is it really enough of them to make those awful decisions worth it?
money and planed obsolescent. newer games will need more vram and you bite the bullet and buy the new card nvidia wants you to buy even to the card could handle it or lower settings. also AI applications require a lot of vram and nvidia want to sell does pro cards for a lot more money and make gaming cards unviable.
@@gamingthunder6305 Maybe but my main question was is it worth it? I bought AMD because of that and many of my friends did the same, so are they really gaining more than they lose from that?
@@prizrak-br3332 I think they absolutely do make more sales with planned obsolescence, and more expensive sales to those of us who noticed and went to a 90 class card. Not that it's even close to worth it anymore without EVGA in the market...
Simply because most of case scenario, the one that needed VRAM right there and there is pro user (such as 3D modeller). And unlike gamers, there's no limit of how much VRAM pro user needed, it always need more. And since their optimalization for pro user is superior (and still is), they become kinda a dick and force them to bought (right now) either easily bottlenecked 2060/3060 12 gig, long jump 3090 24 gig, or just overpriced Quadro
The 970 was released in 2014. 4GB of VRAM wasn’t anything close to what passed for the “bare minimum” at the time. The R9 390 launched a year later with 8GB of VRAM and it was considered to have far far more than anyone would need for the foreseeable future.
Nicely done. I commented on another video of yours some time back about this very card, and that I also did the BIOS mod OC with it. I don't think you could have hoped for a better result. Without physically changing the cooler to something better, shunt-modding it, your results were (I think) great! I paid a lot less for mine that you paid for yours, so I wasn't nervous about BIOS modding it. Great video!
Yes, I remember! This video kept getting pushed back, originally it was going to be two videos, one testing stock and one modded, but my initial stock test was so disappointing I wondered if there was any point to the mod. Glad I eventually put the effort in!
I just discovered this channel yesterday, and I have to say, you are extremely underrated. Your photography is so professional, and your content is amazing. I wish luck to you and your channel :D
Interesting video, always nice to see some coverage on these older professional cards. The M4000 may not perform exactly like a 970 but it's also not quite as much of a power hog! Overall I'd rate it 3.5 out of 4!
You did pretty well in the bios modding. Changing the scalers are just a crap shoot in all honesty. And getting better performance on lower power is pretty much all we can ask for. As someone running the Tesla M40 12gb, the guides I followed and now having a better understanding of Nvidia settings. I use the Tesla M40 for gaming but also for video upscaling and compression. Especially with the Video2x program where the extra vram definitely helps speed up the upscaling from a entire day to half a day when programmed correctly to even utilize the Tesla card. I got my card also for $100 US exactly. Main reason I got the Tesla was because at my workplace they still run the old Teslas but got rid of all the other Quadro cards. Quadros are finicky with it's drivers and harder to maintain from what our IT department said. Yet, Teslas have pretty good driver support when mixed with the right hardware(intel 6th gen onboard graphics or a cheaper separate GPU), and you set up 4g decoding in your bios along with enabling full control of your Nvidia control panel and either changing registry edits to enable hybrid drivers and run off of internal graphics(I use UHD 630 from my i5-8400) or just using another GPU. All in all. It was first harder to understand. But thanks to my coworkers, I am better able to understand the Tesla, the Nvidia settings, and it's working specifically for my needs and will continue to be for recording and editing(if I can get to that) cause my brother used it and noticed it worked great for his editing needs when I cleaned up his system at one point. Loving the videos as always when I can catch up to them. I also noticed your running an Ezcap capture card. I'm wondering if you are experiencing what I'm experiencing with my Ezcap 324 PCI-e card. The sound will cut out cutscene dialogue in games on my PS4 and Nintendo Switch. Luckily I use my motherboard's internal sound chipset and run a simple 3.5mm audio cable for analogue audio through the PS4 controller or Switch tablet itself and then I'm able to record. You said your USB Dac/Amp was having issues. I'm wondering if you are experiencing what I am cause I'm about to test and see if it's the capture card. I'm gonna run it through another system in a dell prebuilt with an i3-8100t and GTX 1050 2gb to see if it still happens to be the capture card, the maxwell cards themselves(whether drivers or hardware), or OBS software.
I'm very interested in the Tesla cards, perhaps for a future experiment when things calm down a bit. They're not so cheap in the UK though, I'd probably have to import from the US and pay hefty tax & shipping costs! Honestly, I don't think my audio issue is related to the capture device (EZCap 321, I believe). The DAC/Amp (Nobsound NS-10G) is running from a USB port to the speakers, so the audio signal is routed to the USB DAC rather than the HDMI port- it's left out of the capture process altogether. That's why none of my videos have game audio, I never bother capturing it! Sorry I couldn't be more help
@Iceberg Tech Oh okay. So your Nobsound dac/amp is running through digital/USB(micro usb I believe based on model). I thought it was an analogue/3.5mm jack. Sorry for assumptions. But if you do want to capture audio for whatever reason with the Ezcap 321. I just found this guy's channel called "Neme Content" He going through a 3 part series of dealing with his Ezcap 321 card which is similar yet different to my issues. Thought he would cool to check out too. And also...also. If you wanted to use Tesla cards, the two biggest issues upfront are heat and power draw(which pretty much goes hand and hand). Finding a way to cool the card with no fans..it's pretty difficult. Not gonna lie. I like to tinker. It's my hobby. And I used a dead Dell's GTX 1070 blower style cooler I modded with a drill bit and file on the Tesla M40. It was almost perfect fit for all the GPU die and chipsets. Yet I had to cut a hole for the CPU 8pin connector on the GPU card. Used a dual 6pin GPU to 8pin CPU adapter just to run the card. And a GPU to 4pin fan adapter just to cool the card off of the motherboard connector. And on top of all of that! I still cut the power down to 80% on the noticing only a 0.0002% drop in performance. Turns out. It doesn't even need that much power to run. Now, I use the card not just for gaming. Most of it's life will be running programs to upscale anime or films. Then compress these videos while striking a great balance between quality and file size. It also does fantastic for editing and recording. It's doing its job as a computing graphic's card more than a gaming graphics card. And I'm managing to do both for my strange and rare hobbies. I would highly recommend you maybe either borrow a Tesla and try it out. Or just get it on a very cheap deal. You could try out the Kepler Teslas. Maybe the K20x. Going down the Tesla hole requires work on a hardware and software level which is difficult for those who don't like tinkering. I was lucky to try one out at and from work before buying one and planning on what to do the card before I would permanently put it into my big rig to play intensive games and run 12 hours of upscaling(which is super fast compared to 24 or even 76 hours once!).
I kept using Chinese LGA 1151 laptop mutants with Teslas (M40 and K20X) during the pandemic to make decent gaming builds for people. The minimum you need is a 4th gen i7, which at the time cost as much as the QQLT or QTJ2 mutants. This combination made it truly possible to pump out Warzone capable machines on a budget when people were struggling to find an RX 580 8GB under 400€.
@@b0ne91 Now that is awesome! I've been wondering myself to try the eGPU style laptops. The only thing I'll need though is a good old laptop. Shockingly, I've never come across just a used laptop locally or traveling with specs above the C2Duo eras. If I do one day though. I wanna give it a shot.
@@grizzlyindustries7593 You misunderstood. I meant QTJ2 modded laptop CPUs that go into LGA 1151 motherboards. That one performs like an i5 10400 and can be used in nearly any H110 to Z170 cheapo board you find on the used market. Miyconst has good info on those CPUs.
Do you still have the gtx 970, maxwell was known for for being pretty good overclockers. I heard that even in some cases the gtx 980 ti could overclock to pretty close to the gtx 1080.
@@yahyasajid5113 ua-cam.com/video/SeLGHALOO2c/v-deo.html The gtx 1070 is stronger but its stronger by maybe 10% or so the gtx 1660 super isn't that far behind it but it still gets beat by the gtx 1070 and like I said the gtx 980 ti is on par with it so it will be stronger too.
>5:45 Roman aka "der8auer" had run a Radeon VII only over PCIe-Slots. (4 of them) Video title is "DIY-Adapter: Running a Radeon VII just through PCIe-Slot Power".
Neet. Did you know you can also turn an MI25 into a WX9100? I'll save you the hassle of flashing Frontier Edition and tell you the display stops working after drivers load, but it still functions for 3d acceleration/rendering. ua-cam.com/video/iRaB96UbEo8/v-deo.html
Really nice video. When GPU prices went to shit I played on very cheap ~55GBP Nvidia Tesla 20Xm (GTX Titan/780ti but with 6gb of RAM, no video output whatsoever). I know some people modded the hardware to use GTX Titan BIOS on Tesla K20Xm but I didnt have to modify the BIOS at all for my gaming. Just overclocked the shit out of it for some newer games (really nice gains after OC but the power draw gone through the roof) but most of the time the card was fine stock. Served me good until I could afford used 170GBP RTX 3060.
>mod bios for 100MHz boost >GTX 970 8Gb Man, try again modify bios for changing device ID and get real GTX 970 not M5000. Play on Studio/Branch driver's it's a shit, you must get Game Ready driver for this board. If you changing ONLY frequency, you don't get a true GTX 970, maximum it's M5000 OC.
30 FPS in cyber punk while a Radeon 390 will get 60 FPS. Yeah, Maxwell is garbage. It's not a real dx12 card, trying to use it as one just tanks performance. Nvidia lied about almost everything on Maxwell, Pascal is where it actually got good, but Pascal was still less dx12 compliant than a 390, and it was garbage downgrade ports that kept Pascal relevant. Next gen consoles and RTX support then ruined Pascal, while old AMD cards would still run fine without Ray tracing. Hardware unboxed did a Vega revisit where it now beats Pascal. People who looked at API support over sponsored game benchmarks in dx11 would have known this even day one. Kinda like how we know RTX has better raytracing, but it's still mostly a gimmick, so that doesn't matter. Maxwell reminds me of the old Dx9 FX that couldn't do dx9 or 6800 sm3.0 fiasco, where it could only do 30 FPS, but somehow that made it better for being first, then Nvidia dropped it like a hot potato for dx10 and bought PhysX when they were late to dx11. They did have good dx10-11 hardware, but it was always VRAM limited and missing API features to immediately be obsolete on each new card. Woo look how the 960 destroys a 780 in the Witcher 3. Yeah. Kepler and Maxwell were just e-waste. Fermi at least had EVGA double VRAM cards that outlasted Kepler, and wasn't dependent on driver optimization, and Pascal was just Nvidia accidentally making cards not obsolete enough. Protip: If AMD offers a better card for less money, and the only issue is driver optimization, buy the AMD card, because driver updates mean it will last longer and save you from buying a new card sooner.
The R9 280x still blows the GTX970 away in my opinion at literally half the price ( yes yes Gary drivers aside ) but I honestly love this Quadro mod bravo 😎👏🏼
280X is between a 960 and 970 and has 3GB of VRAM. It's a good card, especially for how cheap it usually is. Drivers aren't really an issue imo. But power draw is crazy. I only use GCN 1.0 in ultra budget builds.
Was needing some cash and got this card plus $200 CDN in a trade for my former ASUS Dual RX 6600. I may run a custom bios on this, but so far I'm impressed in what is basically a dedicated rending GPU (for my needs)
Odd how you didn't test GTA V (Which is normally used for PC benchmarks, like Minecraft), although this is some really interesting data. I have my RX 6600 overclocked by about 150MHz as well
Modding the mobile version card was a similar experience, but boost tables are your main differentiator. Perhaps something like that would help? The voltage/power tables don't really make the difference with a low TDP limit.
I had MSI 970, and scored at time 13th best score in 3d mark with air cooling, heavy moding in maxwell bios editor ..., if you just let it take all the power (mine has i think 2 psu connectors) good airflow, and you get nice result. I dont even mod fan curve. Now im stuck with non bios modable 1070ti .. :/ at least caps mod helped, quite much, scored 97th score with it
I’d rule out the 1030 personally, most current ones are DDR4 models and I don’t think the GDDR5 version is worth the effort to find. The RX 550 is significantly less powerful than the Gtx 1050, and I don’t think it has enough performance to really leverage that 4GB buffer. So, I guess the 1050 wins by default!
Low profile? If not get gtx 1660 super double fan version there are many second hand now and very cheap if you look hard enough youll snag one for $160 to $200, they are blazing fast for 1080p ultra and 1440p high med
I know i am like 2 months late for this thing but damn this video brings memory xd I had Titan X 12GB (the black maxwell one) and i also made a custom bio for that card. I was able to swap titan blower cooler with the EVGA ACX 2.0+ module for titan - my bios mod started only with making different fan settings, lowering max RPM from 4000 to like 2600 (since now I had 2 fans instead of blower) and also implementing passive mode below 40 degree C. After that, I decided to give it more of a try - I finished up with Custom Titan mod (still have the .rom file on my network drive :D) with: - lowered power consumption by 63W - totally changed fan settings - increased memory by 75mhz - increased clock speed by 100mhz if i gonna get that card again, i will probably just flash it with that BIOS - tho... i will have to change fan settings back to the blower one (but everything else will be as above :D)
wonder if u can get it to run modded bios in sli. also an 8gb framebuffer would be great for video editing 4k footage. and the 900 series is the oldest i can use to render in cuda with divinci resolve 18
Love my Asus 970 mini. Handle's overclock nicely. Good 1080 card. So perfect for my Asus vg247qe on a z97 plus ITX. In a Metis. Corsair RM550x and NH-U14S +2 llt 140mm fans only had to do QoL cuts and love it. Sadly don't use it often. Hurts sitting at a seat for to long. And Xbox+ sofa. 👍🏼🤷🏼♂️🍻🤗
I run a modified BIOS on my GTX 970, fixed the awful stock fan curve that went to 100% at only 60C, and tweaked the voltage frequency curves for a pretty substantial overclock. Maxed out the power limits for what the PCIe slot and 2x6 pin can handle too.
Your bench marks perform similar if not almost identical to the GTX970m 6GB that was sold for alienware gaming laptops. You can check the tech power up specs and see power and frequency is close to similar
not bad. i expect i'm not the first to say this but you could bypass all of the Power woes by tricking the Card into pulling more Power over the Power Cable. on a not crap Power Supply you can do 150Watt over a 6-Pin fine, but even if you kept it more reserved, increasing the Power from that side to like 125Watt would let you get the same Power as a 970! those extra few Watts would be worth having since there's more vRAM than a 970 and so the Memory needs a bit more Power. so having a bit more than you technically need to reach a stock 970 would ensure you should still be able to reach the same Clocks as one despite having more Memory. i'd go all the way though and do like 140 + the 45 from the Slot for a sweet Power budget to really max out the mid level Silicon. you'd need better Cooling than the garbage that Workstation Cards come with, but since you'd need to Powermod the Card (and so disassemble it) to trick it anyways (since it isn't a Consumer Card), may as well stick a real Cooler on it while you're at it.
I bought an RX480 8GB a few years ago, when I used to buy a lot of them to build cheap PCs. I found one for auction, and no one bid on it because it was modded. Turns out the dude put a 80mm fan on top of a reference card, and also soldered an extra cable sobre where on the back to give the card itself more power, alongside one of these chips to bypass the power limit (shunt mod?). Maybe you could so something like that, and maybe even strap a better cooler onto it. Try fitting the MSI cooler and see if it fits. It's just for content, you can do it.
I actually own a gtx 970 8gb. Its a frankenstein. Made of a asus strix gtx 980 pcb with 10 fases, gtx 970 core and samsung vram from a gtx 1070. Its pretty decent with its added vram. Besides the vram has gtx 1070 speed and the full 256 bit memory bus. Its one of a kind.
Bios tweaking ended with maxwell sadly. Best ever did was a Titan X Maxwell had the core near 1500mhz memory +600mhz and power at 400 watts. it scored in benchmarks like a Gtx 1080. Currently running a Gtx 980ti bios modded to 1468mhz @1.23v +500mhz Memory and 310watts power limit. Trick with 980ti/Titan X is u have to edit the first 3 voltage sliders with KEPLER bios tweaker (just move em around and save the file) so they show up in Maxwell bios tweaker.
You must have gotten a bad card, or it needed to be repasted. I changed the coolers on mine and unlocked the power much higher. 1175mhz is about max with the stick cooler. With a different cooler, 1250/1300 is possible as well as much higher TDP as well. Maybe try a M5000 next? If you can find one at a reasonable price
You need to do the ShuntMod in order to get up to 350W on the GPU if your PCB allows it. I have modded my bios and did shuntmod on my GTX970 and that thing is a beast, also turned my pc into a house heater, literally....
well, you would be better off just buying a tesla card. a tesla m40 costs the same as the quadro m4000, but it is titan x performance the m4000 is a bad choice even more, when you know that it costs 1.5-2x than a gtx 970 if you have an igpu, just buy a tesla m40 if you dont have igpu, then buy some (non nvidia display gpu (or same architecture nvidia gpu(cheapest is the quadro k620))) display gpu and god to go. the m40 also darws only 140-150w for much higher performence (it has 250w tdp, but i never managed to draw more than 210w, mainly in kholat at ultra 150% res, and sw battlefront 2 ultra 200% res.) in cyberbug at medium, with stable 60 fps it was 150-160w so even in that regard it is better and you can potentially oc ot from 1174 mhz to nearly 1500 (and has 12 or 24gb vram too)
I'm shocked that these don't perform better. My 980 4gb was able to get 60-100fps at 1080p high with these games. Really feels like Nvidia gimped the gaming performance on the quadro on purpose
In this case it's also designed to be a single slot rather than taking up 2 like most 970s, which limits the max cooling a bit more. Workstation cards also have stricter requirements for stability so it's not as ideal for nvidia to push the cores as hard as on a gamer oriented card.
I wonder maybe you could give a try with nvidia p104-100. It is mining card with same board with gtx 1070. Same 8gb of vram only no display. While I'm having no difficulty in converting this mining gpu to gaming gpu. The p104 has limited pcie bus only in x4 instead of 16x. If you somehow managed to break the limitations that could be very helpful to the users. Thanks
You missed THE in-depth (3 years old ...) video for modding this quadro. Turn captions on if you don't understand german. Get his modded BIOS from the link in the video. Then you can play around :) ua-cam.com/video/y6MJKYE4TD0/v-deo.html
The content is great and there's a lot of useful data here, but the way you visualize it is mildly infuriating. Wildly different colors (i.e. red & blue) for related data (i.e. avg & 1% lows). And then you swap colors with the unrelated data halfway through, which makes it really confusing if you happen to miss the transition (hell, even if you pay attention it's still confusing). Please, don't ever visualize your data like this.
people protested and asked for a refund. just because the ram is less than 4gb while all Android cellphones have capacities below their specifications. (example : ram and internal storage)
Water Cool it with a 980Ti cooler it should bolt on or even a decent 980Ti air cooler, shunt mod it for extra power and increase those voltages BAbyyyyyy
while I'm appeasing the algorithm, I thought I'd ask why the colours change during the comparison charts? Surely you just give them both high contrast colours and show it once
Y'know, I still haven't settled on a chart design I like. So far I've been using Google Sheets, which is what I use to store my benchmark data, but something about them looks off. I keep trying different styles, sometimes different colours, sometimes fading between one set of results and the other, but nothing seems to stick.
Pretty sure you can go over spec on the power draw of 6 pin power connectors. After all the saftey margins on those things are ridiculous. Thats what the shunt modding community has been doing for years too, so you wouldnt be the first.
Dude that game called split gate I swear it is the exact same as my unreal tournament 2004 and unreal tournament 4 combined especially that map that you're showing
Super cool, id love to see a new cooler and attempts to push the oc higher. In therory the quardro should be better binned, just often thats used for better preformance at lower power
Honestly, this isnt such a bad idea if you are using a space limited case. Single slot half decent GPUs are few and far between. The 1070 Katana is probably the best single slot GPU that I know of currently, but those are still expensive.
I did a similar thing with my RX580, firstly it did not have a make, GPUZ said it was made by AMD, Secondly it has a single fan. I bought it used and when I started playing games on it I noticed the clock speed creeping down at 60 degrees Celsius, I couldn't figure out why it was throttling at such low temperatures. Having nothing else to do, I download the AMD bios editor, set the clocks manually (with a slight overclock to the gpu & a almost 500mhz overclock to the memory) lowered the voltages and flashed it (I could do all this through windows, flashing AMD cards are super easy) long story short now my RX580 scores more than a titan black, 1060 6G and 5500XT and being used to play games for almost 3 years.
What is insane, is just the next year, nvidia released the 115w mobile gtx 1070 with BETTER specs than the desktop version. When that one is tuned it would very well be almost 2x faster than this modded quadro m4000. With the same 8gb of vram.
People ask me if getting a cheap Quadro is a cheap, good gaming option. If it was a good idea, we'd all have done it by now. Damn good crack though. Loved watching this. The GTX 970 is in my hall of fame of best GPU's ever made :)
The Quadro costs about four times as much as a 970 on ebay, so I find this pretty pointless. Interesting that it can be done, but no real purpose to it imho.
Congrats. You just made the world's first GTX 965.
Back in the day, ATI used to make "SE" versions of cards. It was supposed to make you think "Special Edition", when it really meant Stunted. I'll call it the GTX 970 SE!
@@IcebergTech nVidia had those as well on the GTX 460 SE and the (OEM only) GTX 560 SE, so calling this the 970 SE seems entirely correct to me!
Or the first GTX 960 Ti.
@@laszlozsurka8991 970UnTi
@@IcebergTech Heh reminds me of the GTX 460 SE.
It had 1gb of Vram but it performed on par with the 768mb neutered version of the card instead of the actual 1gb card.
It was priced between the 768mb and the regular version for black friday sale.
Ah Nvidia 12 years and you never changed a bit.....
The virgin "1080 ti isnt enough anymore its basically low end Ewaste" vs the CHAD "The 970 still stands on its own two legs"
And i remember my entire office using 970s flashed to work as quadros :)
Nice quality, consistency, content, and channel… you are criminally underrated!
So many, and me included have noticed, yet youtube is just starting to push out his chsnnel to the rest of the public.
Sold this for $100 back in 2020 before the 3080 launch to help pay down for my 3080, amazing card served me well for many years.
I don't know why Nvidia insists on making really powerful GPUs with low VRAM, they always have the minimum required to run current titles with nothing to spare (except fort the 10 series) maybe some sort of planned obsolescence but I don't know if that is really the case because it scares away buyers at the same time.
I for once really wanted to get a 3070 or 3070Ti but with 8GB of VRAM it's just not worth it, I couldn't afford a 3080 and since I play at 1440p the 3060 wasn't exactly in my radar so I went the AMD route for the first time in my life and got a 6700 XT, so I don't know if Nvidia is exactly profiting from that decision.
I guess there are a lot of Nvidia fanboys out there that will only buy from them no matter what crap they put out "bEcAuSe dRiVeRs AnD nVeNc" but is it really enough of them to make those awful decisions worth it?
money and planed obsolescent. newer games will need more vram and you bite the bullet and buy the new card nvidia wants you to buy even to the card could handle it or lower settings. also AI applications require a lot of vram and nvidia want to sell does pro cards for a lot more money and make gaming cards unviable.
@@gamingthunder6305 Maybe but my main question was is it worth it? I bought AMD because of that and many of my friends did the same, so are they really gaining more than they lose from that?
@@prizrak-br3332 I think they absolutely do make more sales with planned obsolescence, and more expensive sales to those of us who noticed and went to a 90 class card. Not that it's even close to worth it anymore without EVGA in the market...
Simply because most of case scenario, the one that needed VRAM right there and there is pro user (such as 3D modeller). And unlike gamers, there's no limit of how much VRAM pro user needed, it always need more.
And since their optimalization for pro user is superior (and still is), they become kinda a dick and force them to bought (right now) either easily bottlenecked 2060/3060 12 gig, long jump 3090 24 gig, or just overpriced Quadro
The 970 was released in 2014. 4GB of VRAM wasn’t anything close to what passed for the “bare minimum” at the time.
The R9 390 launched a year later with 8GB of VRAM and it was considered to have far far more than anyone would need for the foreseeable future.
Nicely done. I commented on another video of yours some time back about this very card, and that I also did the BIOS mod OC with it. I don't think you could have hoped for a better result. Without physically changing the cooler to something better, shunt-modding it, your results were (I think) great! I paid a lot less for mine that you paid for yours, so I wasn't nervous about BIOS modding it.
Great video!
Yes, I remember!
This video kept getting pushed back, originally it was going to be two videos, one testing stock and one modded, but my initial stock test was so disappointing I wondered if there was any point to the mod. Glad I eventually put the effort in!
My congratulations on making the world's first GTX 960 Ti
This experiment was ridiculous, and I love it. Thanks for this fun GPU ride. 😁
I just discovered this channel yesterday, and I have to say, you are extremely underrated. Your photography is so professional, and your content is amazing. I wish luck to you and your channel :D
Interesting video, always nice to see some coverage on these older professional cards. The M4000 may not perform exactly like a 970 but it's also not quite as much of a power hog! Overall I'd rate it 3.5 out of 4!
You did pretty well in the bios modding. Changing the scalers are just a crap shoot in all honesty. And getting better performance on lower power is pretty much all we can ask for.
As someone running the Tesla M40 12gb, the guides I followed and now having a better understanding of Nvidia settings. I use the Tesla M40 for gaming but also for video upscaling and compression. Especially with the Video2x program where the extra vram definitely helps speed up the upscaling from a entire day to half a day when programmed correctly to even utilize the Tesla card.
I got my card also for $100 US exactly. Main reason I got the Tesla was because at my workplace they still run the old Teslas but got rid of all the other Quadro cards. Quadros are finicky with it's drivers and harder to maintain from what our IT department said. Yet, Teslas have pretty good driver support when mixed with the right hardware(intel 6th gen onboard graphics or a cheaper separate GPU), and you set up 4g decoding in your bios along with enabling full control of your Nvidia control panel and either changing registry edits to enable hybrid drivers and run off of internal graphics(I use UHD 630 from my i5-8400) or just using another GPU.
All in all. It was first harder to understand. But thanks to my coworkers, I am better able to understand the Tesla, the Nvidia settings, and it's working specifically for my needs and will continue to be for recording and editing(if I can get to that) cause my brother used it and noticed it worked great for his editing needs when I cleaned up his system at one point.
Loving the videos as always when I can catch up to them.
I also noticed your running an Ezcap capture card. I'm wondering if you are experiencing what I'm experiencing with my Ezcap 324 PCI-e card. The sound will cut out cutscene dialogue in games on my PS4 and Nintendo Switch. Luckily I use my motherboard's internal sound chipset and run a simple 3.5mm audio cable for analogue audio through the PS4 controller or Switch tablet itself and then I'm able to record. You said your USB Dac/Amp was having issues. I'm wondering if you are experiencing what I am cause I'm about to test and see if it's the capture card. I'm gonna run it through another system in a dell prebuilt with an i3-8100t and GTX 1050 2gb to see if it still happens to be the capture card, the maxwell cards themselves(whether drivers or hardware), or OBS software.
I'm very interested in the Tesla cards, perhaps for a future experiment when things calm down a bit. They're not so cheap in the UK though, I'd probably have to import from the US and pay hefty tax & shipping costs!
Honestly, I don't think my audio issue is related to the capture device (EZCap 321, I believe). The DAC/Amp (Nobsound NS-10G) is running from a USB port to the speakers, so the audio signal is routed to the USB DAC rather than the HDMI port- it's left out of the capture process altogether. That's why none of my videos have game audio, I never bother capturing it!
Sorry I couldn't be more help
@Iceberg Tech Oh okay. So your Nobsound dac/amp is running through digital/USB(micro usb I believe based on model). I thought it was an analogue/3.5mm jack. Sorry for assumptions.
But if you do want to capture audio for whatever reason with the Ezcap 321. I just found this guy's channel called "Neme Content" He going through a 3 part series of dealing with his Ezcap 321 card which is similar yet different to my issues. Thought he would cool to check out too.
And also...also. If you wanted to use Tesla cards, the two biggest issues upfront are heat and power draw(which pretty much goes hand and hand). Finding a way to cool the card with no fans..it's pretty difficult. Not gonna lie. I like to tinker. It's my hobby. And I used a dead Dell's GTX 1070 blower style cooler I modded with a drill bit and file on the Tesla M40. It was almost perfect fit for all the GPU die and chipsets. Yet I had to cut a hole for the CPU 8pin connector on the GPU card. Used a dual 6pin GPU to 8pin CPU adapter just to run the card. And a GPU to 4pin fan adapter just to cool the card off of the motherboard connector. And on top of all of that! I still cut the power down to 80% on the noticing only a 0.0002% drop in performance. Turns out. It doesn't even need that much power to run.
Now, I use the card not just for gaming. Most of it's life will be running programs to upscale anime or films. Then compress these videos while striking a great balance between quality and file size. It also does fantastic for editing and recording. It's doing its job as a computing graphic's card more than a gaming graphics card. And I'm managing to do both for my strange and rare hobbies.
I would highly recommend you maybe either borrow a Tesla and try it out. Or just get it on a very cheap deal. You could try out the Kepler Teslas. Maybe the K20x. Going down the Tesla hole requires work on a hardware and software level which is difficult for those who don't like tinkering. I was lucky to try one out at and from work before buying one and planning on what to do the card before I would permanently put it into my big rig to play intensive games and run 12 hours of upscaling(which is super fast compared to 24 or even 76 hours once!).
I kept using Chinese LGA 1151 laptop mutants with Teslas (M40 and K20X) during the pandemic to make decent gaming builds for people. The minimum you need is a 4th gen i7, which at the time cost as much as the QQLT or QTJ2 mutants. This combination made it truly possible to pump out Warzone capable machines on a budget when people were struggling to find an RX 580 8GB under 400€.
@@b0ne91 Now that is awesome! I've been wondering myself to try the eGPU style laptops. The only thing I'll need though is a good old laptop. Shockingly, I've never come across just a used laptop locally or traveling with specs above the C2Duo eras. If I do one day though. I wanna give it a shot.
@@grizzlyindustries7593 You misunderstood. I meant QTJ2 modded laptop CPUs that go into LGA 1151 motherboards. That one performs like an i5 10400 and can be used in nearly any H110 to Z170 cheapo board you find on the used market. Miyconst has good info on those CPUs.
you mean 7gb? 😛
Still have a 970, now paired with a 5600x, its a decent card, and for now all i can afford, it makes me happy
Do you still have the gtx 970, maxwell was known for for being pretty good overclockers. I heard that even in some cases the gtx 980 ti could overclock to pretty close to the gtx 1080.
Nah, I sold the 970. I have my 980Ti but it has a slightly warped PCB and tends to glitch in both 2D and 3D.
I could only get my 980ti to 1660S performance
@@yahyasajid5113 A gtx 980 ti is equal to a gtx 1070 which is stronger than a gtx 1660. The Gtx 980 ti is already better then 1660
@@yahyasajid5113 ua-cam.com/video/SeLGHALOO2c/v-deo.html The gtx 1070 is stronger but its stronger by maybe 10% or so the gtx 1660 super isn't that far behind it but it still gets beat by the gtx 1070 and like I said the gtx 980 ti is on par with it so it will be stronger too.
>5:45
Roman aka "der8auer" had run a Radeon VII only over PCIe-Slots. (4 of them)
Video title is "DIY-Adapter: Running a Radeon VII just through PCIe-Slot Power".
Yes, in this moment I feel like he's Tony Stark, and I'm the guy meekly explaining to Jeff Bridges that I am *not* Tony Stark...
Neet. Did you know you can also turn an MI25 into a WX9100? I'll save you the hassle of flashing Frontier Edition and tell you the display stops working after drivers load, but it still functions for 3d acceleration/rendering. ua-cam.com/video/iRaB96UbEo8/v-deo.html
The Gtx 970 has 6 + 8 pin power connectors, mine used to hit 1500 mhz overclocked.
Really nice video. When GPU prices went to shit I played on very cheap ~55GBP Nvidia Tesla 20Xm (GTX Titan/780ti but with 6gb of RAM, no video output whatsoever). I know some people modded the hardware to use GTX Titan BIOS on Tesla K20Xm but I didnt have to modify the BIOS at all for my gaming. Just overclocked the shit out of it for some newer games (really nice gains after OC but the power draw gone through the roof) but most of the time the card was fine stock. Served me good until I could afford used 170GBP RTX 3060.
>mod bios for 100MHz boost
>GTX 970 8Gb
Man, try again modify bios for changing device ID and get real GTX 970 not M5000. Play on Studio/Branch driver's it's a shit, you must get Game Ready driver for this board. If you changing ONLY frequency, you don't get a true GTX 970, maximum it's M5000 OC.
30 FPS in cyber punk while a Radeon 390 will get 60 FPS. Yeah, Maxwell is garbage. It's not a real dx12 card, trying to use it as one just tanks performance. Nvidia lied about almost everything on Maxwell, Pascal is where it actually got good, but Pascal was still less dx12 compliant than a 390, and it was garbage downgrade ports that kept Pascal relevant. Next gen consoles and RTX support then ruined Pascal, while old AMD cards would still run fine without Ray tracing. Hardware unboxed did a Vega revisit where it now beats Pascal. People who looked at API support over sponsored game benchmarks in dx11 would have known this even day one. Kinda like how we know RTX has better raytracing, but it's still mostly a gimmick, so that doesn't matter. Maxwell reminds me of the old Dx9 FX that couldn't do dx9 or 6800 sm3.0 fiasco, where it could only do 30 FPS, but somehow that made it better for being first, then Nvidia dropped it like a hot potato for dx10 and bought PhysX when they were late to dx11. They did have good dx10-11 hardware, but it was always VRAM limited and missing API features to immediately be obsolete on each new card. Woo look how the 960 destroys a 780 in the Witcher 3. Yeah. Kepler and Maxwell were just e-waste. Fermi at least had EVGA double VRAM cards that outlasted Kepler, and wasn't dependent on driver optimization, and Pascal was just Nvidia accidentally making cards not obsolete enough.
Protip: If AMD offers a better card for less money, and the only issue is driver optimization, buy the AMD card, because driver updates mean it will last longer and save you from buying a new card sooner.
The R9 280x still blows the GTX970 away in my opinion at literally half the price ( yes yes Gary drivers aside ) but I honestly love this Quadro mod bravo 😎👏🏼
Thanks! We'll have to agree to disagree on the 280x, the money you save on a that card over a 970 only gets transferred to your energy bill!
280X is between a 960 and 970 and has 3GB of VRAM. It's a good card, especially for how cheap it usually is. Drivers aren't really an issue imo. But power draw is crazy. I only use GCN 1.0 in ultra budget builds.
Was needing some cash and got this card plus $200 CDN in a trade for my former ASUS Dual RX 6600. I may run a custom bios on this, but so far I'm impressed in what is basically a dedicated rending GPU (for my needs)
Odd how you didn't test GTA V (Which is normally used for PC benchmarks, like Minecraft), although this is some really interesting data. I have my RX 6600 overclocked by about 150MHz as well
Modding the mobile version card was a similar experience, but boost tables are your main differentiator. Perhaps something like that would help? The voltage/power tables don't really make the difference with a low TDP limit.
I had MSI 970, and scored at time 13th best score in 3d mark with air cooling, heavy moding in maxwell bios editor ..., if you just let it take all the power (mine has i think 2 psu connectors) good airflow, and you get nice result. I dont even mod fan curve. Now im stuck with non bios modable 1070ti .. :/ at least caps mod helped, quite much, scored 97th score with it
which gpu should i get? a brand new gt 1030 2gb, a second hand rx 550 4gb oc edition or a second hand gtx 1050 2gb?
I’d rule out the 1030 personally, most current ones are DDR4 models and I don’t think the GDDR5 version is worth the effort to find. The RX 550 is significantly less powerful than the Gtx 1050, and I don’t think it has enough performance to really leverage that 4GB buffer.
So, I guess the 1050 wins by default!
@@IcebergTech thanks for the response! :D
Low profile? If not get gtx 1660 super double fan version there are many second hand now and very cheap if you look hard enough youll snag one for $160 to $200, they are blazing fast for 1080p ultra and 1440p high med
The 1050. It's still fine.
So, a 6GB GTX 580 is possible too... I've heard "Fermi was limited by VRAM" multiple times.
All things considered, I'd say you did pretty well. Cool idea.
I am currently retiring my GTX970 for an A750. 8GB would have been lovely for doing some more machine learning
I know i am like 2 months late for this thing but damn
this video brings memory xd
I had Titan X 12GB (the black maxwell one) and i also made a custom bio for that card.
I was able to swap titan blower cooler with the EVGA ACX 2.0+ module for titan - my bios mod started only with making different fan settings, lowering max RPM from 4000 to like 2600 (since now I had 2 fans instead of blower) and also implementing passive mode below 40 degree C.
After that, I decided to give it more of a try - I finished up with Custom Titan mod (still have the .rom file on my network drive :D) with:
- lowered power consumption by 63W
- totally changed fan settings
- increased memory by 75mhz
- increased clock speed by 100mhz
if i gonna get that card again, i will probably just flash it with that BIOS - tho... i will have to change fan settings back to the blower one (but everything else will be as above :D)
wonder if u can get it to run modded bios in sli. also an 8gb framebuffer would be great for video editing 4k footage. and the 900 series is the oldest i can use to render in cuda with divinci resolve 18
Wow I can't believe you don't have a bigger audience! Your videos are so helpful and high quality
Love my Asus 970 mini. Handle's overclock nicely. Good 1080 card. So perfect for my Asus vg247qe on a z97 plus ITX. In a Metis. Corsair RM550x and NH-U14S +2 llt 140mm fans only had to do QoL cuts and love it. Sadly don't use it often. Hurts sitting at a seat for to long. And Xbox+ sofa. 👍🏼🤷🏼♂️🍻🤗
I run a modified BIOS on my GTX 970, fixed the awful stock fan curve that went to 100% at only 60C, and tweaked the voltage frequency curves for a pretty substantial overclock. Maxed out the power limits for what the PCIe slot and 2x6 pin can handle too.
Haaa, I've been running the exact same setup for 1 year, I love it!
Your bench marks perform similar if not almost identical to the GTX970m 6GB that was sold for alienware gaming laptops. You can check the tech power up specs and see power and frequency is close to similar
"numbers you don't see"
bruh, in a shooter any FPS gain is absolutely noticeable
hell, 120FPS is pretty slow right off the bat
not bad.
i expect i'm not the first to say this but you could bypass all of the Power woes by tricking the Card into pulling more Power over the Power Cable. on a not crap Power Supply you can do 150Watt over a 6-Pin fine, but even if you kept it more reserved, increasing the Power from that side to like 125Watt would let you get the same Power as a 970! those extra few Watts would be worth having since there's more vRAM than a 970 and so the Memory needs a bit more Power. so having a bit more than you technically need to reach a stock 970 would ensure you should still be able to reach the same Clocks as one despite having more Memory.
i'd go all the way though and do like 140 + the 45 from the Slot for a sweet Power budget to really max out the mid level Silicon. you'd need better Cooling than the garbage that Workstation Cards come with, but since you'd need to Powermod the Card (and so disassemble it) to trick it anyways (since it isn't a Consumer Card), may as well stick a real Cooler on it while you're at it.
For me over clocking the quadro m6000 worked all for except the video memory which was also underclocked
I bought an RX480 8GB a few years ago, when I used to buy a lot of them to build cheap PCs. I found one for auction, and no one bid on it because it was modded. Turns out the dude put a 80mm fan on top of a reference card, and also soldered an extra cable sobre where on the back to give the card itself more power, alongside one of these chips to bypass the power limit (shunt mod?).
Maybe you could so something like that, and maybe even strap a better cooler onto it. Try fitting the MSI cooler and see if it fits. It's just for content, you can do it.
Great idea! Next upgrade the cooler!
I have 3 Quadro P5000 and always wanted to try to convert them to GTX 1080 16Gb but as I´m not an expert there is the doubt what if... I screw up
wow ! thats an impressive bios mod .
this guy does a lot of cool stuff. I'm subbing!
Great videos! Exited for the future modding videos
I actually own a gtx 970 8gb. Its a frankenstein. Made of a asus strix gtx 980 pcb with 10 fases, gtx 970 core and samsung vram from a gtx 1070. Its pretty decent with its added vram. Besides the vram has gtx 1070 speed and the full 256 bit memory bus. Its one of a kind.
With a determination, this channel with great video quality will blow up.
You did not failed ,very good improvement and fun to watch too...
Cyberpunk looked like a typical Sunday morning.
Ah yes. The 960ti.
Bios tweaking ended with maxwell sadly. Best ever did was a Titan X Maxwell had the core near 1500mhz memory +600mhz and power at 400 watts. it scored in benchmarks like a Gtx 1080.
Currently running a Gtx 980ti bios modded to 1468mhz @1.23v +500mhz Memory and 310watts power limit.
Trick with 980ti/Titan X is u have to edit the first 3 voltage sliders with KEPLER bios tweaker (just move em around and save the file) so they show up in Maxwell bios tweaker.
You must have gotten a bad card, or it needed to be repasted. I changed the coolers on mine and unlocked the power much higher. 1175mhz is about max with the stick cooler. With a different cooler, 1250/1300 is possible as well as much higher TDP as well. Maybe try a M5000 next? If you can find one at a reasonable price
You need to do the ShuntMod in order to get up to 350W on the GPU if your PCB allows it. I have modded my bios and did shuntmod on my GTX970 and that thing is a beast, also turned my pc into a house heater, literally....
Rx580 from that era lives on fine cus of 8gb vram option and most thankfully bought the 8gb model.
well, you would be better off just buying a tesla card.
a tesla m40 costs the same as the quadro m4000, but it is titan x performance
the m4000 is a bad choice even more, when you know that it costs 1.5-2x than a gtx 970
if you have an igpu, just buy a tesla m40
if you dont have igpu, then buy some (non nvidia display gpu (or same architecture nvidia gpu(cheapest is the quadro k620))) display gpu and god to go.
the m40 also darws only 140-150w for much higher performence (it has 250w tdp, but i never managed to draw more than 210w, mainly in kholat at ultra 150% res, and sw battlefront 2 ultra 200% res.)
in cyberbug at medium, with stable 60 fps it was 150-160w
so even in that regard it is better
and you can potentially oc ot from 1174 mhz to nearly 1500
(and has 12 or 24gb vram too)
I'm shocked that these don't perform better. My 980 4gb was able to get 60-100fps at 1080p high with these games. Really feels like Nvidia gimped the gaming performance on the quadro on purpose
I have a feeling that's exactly what they did,to keep used business products from cutting into gaming sales.
In this case it's also designed to be a single slot rather than taking up 2 like most 970s, which limits the max cooling a bit more. Workstation cards also have stricter requirements for stability so it's not as ideal for nvidia to push the cores as hard as on a gamer oriented card.
I wonder maybe you could give a try with nvidia p104-100. It is mining card with same board with gtx 1070. Same 8gb of vram only no display. While I'm having no difficulty in converting this mining gpu to gaming gpu. The p104 has limited pcie bus only in x4 instead of 16x. If you somehow managed to break the limitations that could be very helpful to the users. Thanks
You missed THE in-depth (3 years old ...) video for modding this quadro. Turn captions on if you don't understand german. Get his modded BIOS from the link in the video. Then you can play around :)
ua-cam.com/video/y6MJKYE4TD0/v-deo.html
Clicked this video and thought you were random gaming in HD 😂😂😂😂
gtx 970 should had been 6gb by stock
The content is great and there's a lot of useful data here, but the way you visualize it is mildly infuriating.
Wildly different colors (i.e. red & blue) for related data (i.e. avg & 1% lows). And then you swap colors with the unrelated data halfway through, which makes it really confusing if you happen to miss the transition (hell, even if you pay attention it's still confusing).
Please, don't ever visualize your data like this.
hey man, hope you can check some laptop graphic performance aswell in the future. even the cheap one from early 2010s or 2015..
Aw dude, I'd love to but my past laptop videos have gone down like a lead balloon!
That the last .5 of vRAM on the GTX 970 is slower doesn't mean it ceases to exist. It still has 4GB of vRAM, just that part of it is rubbish.
i have a p600 just sitting there, I might try to get closer to 1050 performance. Didnt think it was possible to do any modding to quadro cards.
according to my bring back dislikes button, 1 person has disliked this video thus far
people protested and asked for a refund.
just because the ram is less than 4gb
while all Android cellphones have capacities below their specifications.
(example : ram and internal storage)
so nobody's gonna talk about those puppets on the intro??? look. i've watched that movie when i was 10... it's traumatizing 😐
Water Cool it with a 980Ti cooler it should bolt on or even a decent 980Ti air cooler, shunt mod it for extra power and increase those voltages BAbyyyyyy
I know it would be a lot to ask for a photo or a still of the working bios settings in the video unless I missed something
while I'm appeasing the algorithm, I thought I'd ask why the colours change during the comparison charts? Surely you just give them both high contrast colours and show it once
Y'know, I still haven't settled on a chart design I like. So far I've been using Google Sheets, which is what I use to store my benchmark data, but something about them looks off. I keep trying different styles, sometimes different colours, sometimes fading between one set of results and the other, but nothing seems to stick.
Pretty sure you can go over spec on the power draw of 6 pin power connectors. After all the saftey margins on those things are ridiculous. Thats what the shunt modding community has been doing for years too, so you wouldnt be the first.
Fir real. Get two 120 Arctic Fans and get off the plastic Cover and Fan.
Nice Mod. Great Video
I mean, you said you didn’t see a huge bump in quality on FF7, but 35 to 56 in 1% lows means way less stutter.
Dude that game called split gate I swear it is the exact same as my unreal tournament 2004 and unreal tournament 4 combined especially that map that you're showing
Super cool, id love to see a new cooler and attempts to push the oc higher. In therory the quardro should be better binned, just often thats used for better preformance at lower power
Trying to mimic settings but im getting issue with timespy failing!
would you be able to share your settings in any way please?
Thank you!
Please make GeForce GT 210 1gb DDR3 vs i3 7100s hd 630 please
After the 1080ti nvidia got greedy we will never see a card that’s 4 generations old competing with the current gen again
You probably could have made it perform closer to a 970 if you changed the cooler
No I can go back to mining and dumping RVN for HEX
today i learned cyberpunk has lower requirements than i thought
Yeah.... Not gonna comment on you saying you don't like Apex.
tweak the bios more and add a bigger cooler it would be sweet. these new games need 6gb vram just to run...
Such a dumb video consempt, but at least it makes for a good title and tumbnail.
Enjoyable video, thank you
there are some true 4gb GTX 970. i have a asus one that gpuz say it has 4gb
Honestly, this isnt such a bad idea if you are using a space limited case. Single slot half decent GPUs are few and far between. The 1070 Katana is probably the best single slot GPU that I know of currently, but those are still expensive.
it took me until 10 minutes into the video for me to actually understand what you did lol
People with a GTX 970 comment here!!
Maybe try flashing a gtx 970 bios onto it?
why dont you run fh5 on medium settings, it still looks good
Nice video. Keep it up👍👍
I did a similar thing with my RX580, firstly it did not have a make, GPUZ said it was made by AMD, Secondly it has a single fan. I bought it used and when I started playing games on it I noticed the clock speed creeping down at 60 degrees Celsius, I couldn't figure out why it was throttling at such low temperatures. Having nothing else to do, I download the AMD bios editor, set the clocks manually (with a slight overclock to the gpu & a almost 500mhz overclock to the memory) lowered the voltages and flashed it (I could do all this through windows, flashing AMD cards are super easy) long story short now my RX580 scores more than a titan black, 1060 6G and 5500XT and being used to play games for almost 3 years.
Fuuuck.. I just realised how old the GTX 970 is.. Jesus.. I thought my 5820k to 7950X update were a long run, man cant believe the 970 is so old.
What is insane, is just the next year, nvidia released the 115w mobile gtx 1070 with BETTER specs than the desktop version. When that one is tuned it would very well be almost 2x faster than this modded quadro m4000. With the same 8gb of vram.
People ask me if getting a cheap Quadro is a cheap, good gaming option. If it was a good idea, we'd all have done it by now. Damn good crack though. Loved watching this. The GTX 970 is in my hall of fame of best GPU's ever made :)
ı have gt940m ı am sorry ı am sad
Do the Quadro P4000, K4000, and K4200 next.
The Quadro costs about four times as much as a 970 on ebay, so I find this pretty pointless. Interesting that it can be done, but no real purpose to it imho.
Makes a lot of sense when you need a single slot card.