It's worth noting that Spider-Man Remastered is stupidly CPU bound in general with some finding better performance from DISABLING hyper threading on higher core CPUs.
@@lmaoitsmee1812 I've seen this game even struggle with Ryzen cpus and newer Intel CPUs. This game was making my 1600x cry and I'm upgrading to a 5600 soon. Haven't had a single game just have massive fps drops and dips that made my CPU cry until this game
@@TheRealMoeru Same here, today I bought from Amazon US a Ryzen 5 5600x, an upgrade from the Ryzen 5 2600. Everyone in my country got scared of how expensive Ryzen 7000 is and started to buy Ryzen 5000, its out of stock. Had to import it from Amazon.
The i7-5820K is only 20 quid on Cex. With 6 physical cores and 12 threads at 3.3ghz (3.6 turbo) it would be interesting to see how it compares, especially when pushed on the overclock.
In addition to the quad channel memory support. It may very well keep up with DDR5 in situations where bandwidth matters. (As DDR5 is already having issues pulling away from high end DDR4 unless bandwidth limitations come into play)
Former 3930k owner here and I remember the reviews for the i7-3820. The way to overclock it was by changing the CPU Strap to 125x (or higher) and lowering the multiplier. Moving the CPU Strap to say 125MHz would also safely move the speed for the PCH. I tried overclocking my 3930k this way, which was somewhat similar to overclocking on the x58 platform. You also have to watch the RAM speeds. This platform was released on Nov 14 2011
It's insane how the earliest i7s are still such great options for their price nowadays. Something everyone that's been thinking about getting into gaming should consider. With the sudden drop in gpu prices in the used market I think this is the best time to get into gaming in the past few years.
@@miguelpereira9859 used CPU market seems to be safer compared to the GPU market, i had what it supossedly an almost decade old i5-3470, bought it just literally before lockdown in 2020, and still kicking for almost 3 years, and yes i play demanding games too lmao, heavily modded Skyrim (around 400 mods), Cyberpunk, RDR2, Spider-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. most of the time it's on 70-95% load (i cap the fps on some games) at 70c-74c
01:09 It's not that my hand was inexperienced. It just slipped. It could happen to anyone. Hardly any pins were bent. I needed a new motherboard anyways.
BFV was hard for some 6700k's and 7700k's to run smoothly, I remember people complaining about optimization issues and here they have a 2080ti playing at 1080p and there cpu sitting at 100% where my 5960x at stock did better with a pair of 1070s with Nvidia inspector. Same can be said about 2042, see people complain their 7700ks cant run 2042 smoothly, the end of the quad core for modern triple A games I feel is pretty close.
A lot of people have forgotten what a great platform X99 is. For a while I gamed on a 6850K with a 2 x 980Ti in SLI. Being able to run both of those GPUs at 16X was a huge advantage over a "consumer" system. About to drop in a Xeon E5-2699 v3 to play with.
I bought my X79 MSI X79A-GD45 (8D) motherboard for 75 euros and Xeon 1650v2 for 21 euros. In combination with the cheap 1600mhz 4x4 gb memory overclocked to 1866mhz, it is still a very nice set, with a performance of more or less Ryzen 5 1600.
I was just looking for a comparative between i7-3820 and ryzen 5 5600x. Thanks, and I Just going to purchase a 3070 or higher (I have a 1060 6gb), but I never expect that there are almost double fps in the line. I think its better for me to make a new pc and retired the older one.
I can't think of any reason why someone would want one of these as it's slow and underequipped compared to the Xeons you can also buy for the same socket - this i7 is the same gen as the v1 E5 Xeons and is built with 32nm tech, the v2 revision moved to 22nm and was significantly faster and less power hungry. The one I'd recommend is the E5-2680v2 as it's easily found for about 20ukp, has 10 cores instead of the 4 of this i7 and is more than twice as fast. The Xeon uses less wattage, has greater memory bandwidth, supports faster memory and ECC which means you can use much cheaper ECC memory sticks, it also has PCI-E 3.0, whereas this i7 is still PCI-E 2.0. If you want to spend even less money, you can buy a v1 Xeon such as the E5-2667 for less than this i7 and still have significantly more performance, in the case of the E5-2667, about 50% more, and I paid just 10ukp for a matched pair of them a couple of months ago to upgrade a system that couldn't accept v2 Xeons.
Just bought this CPU online waiting to ship now. Come with the CPU/Mobo, GTX 660, 16gb ddr3, a sketchy "900w PSU" 120mm aio CPU cooler, 1tb HDD, and a few random led fans. Right @ $60. Snatched it in an ebay auction. Plan to do a budget build for a flip. Probably sell the PSU and GTX 660 outright for parts. I don't really plan on trying to sell built as is I'll at least give someone a decent PSU & better GPU option with SSD boot drive. Probably go with GTX 1650 and sale price @ 350. 😉
you could also buy a older dell optiplex with a 6th gen cpu and throw a gpu in that for about 250 usd (100 for the optiplex, 150 for a used rx 6500 or new 6400)
Just yesterday i got a xeon 2650 v3 on aliexpress, it's a 10 core beast that can trade blows with first gen Ryzen 7, for the unbelievable price of $11. + a motherboard for $75
Lovely video as always! I wonder what’s the difference in things like running Microsoft Office between this processor and a much newer one. From my experience while comparing my oldI5 4th gen Pro book to my very new, I7 12700H Envy 16, the difference should be quite acceptable, not to say inconsiderable. Can someone confirm that? I’m kinda paranoid thinking that there’s something wrong with my new laptop lol. Thanks!
0:10 to 0:16 😬 I like how he referred to the enthusiasts that fondly remember them as ageing rather than the hardware. Though, that is also true for the hardware.
how much are the mobos for those? cause i know that z77 chipset mobos went up so high that you might aswell get a new buffed x570 mobo and still save some... old intel chips fail really rarely... but the mobos.. die every 3-4 years, even if lucky.
I got the 4930k and a gtx 980ti, have been rocking this now for 10 years.. LOL Or close to it now!! Waiting for the next gen of Intel chips and Nividia rtx 5000 graphics cards to come out.. then I will buy again for the next 10 years.. but I will still keep this thing as a back up if needed..
Hi, im being offered this cpu i7 3820 + msi x79 mobo for about £41. Should i grab this? Im more to 1080p to 1440p gaming with medium high settings. Thinking of combo with gtx 1080 ti. Waddya think?
X79 boards have a blck multiplyer in steps of 0.25 Blck multiplyer is not like adjusting the bclk there are no instabilities added to the pci-e bus. Even at the first step of 1.25 that would give you a max of 125x43 = 5.375 ghz Memory and qpi do have to be adjusted to the new ratios though. And voltage has to be locked as mostlikley your offset to get lower speed step bins stable would be way to much at the max clock.
@@IcebergTech its worth a try I am not sure if the locked xeons can have the blck strap changed. Sorry for getting your hopes up if that is the case. But the 3820 definitely can use bclk straps.
@@IcebergTech @Iceberg Tech Since I got one here is how it works: Straps and locked xeons have one problem- you can't clock them to 125 bclk (bit longer explanation down below) BCLK overclocking works really well on these but around 102-105 PCIe 3.0 get's swapped with 2.0 (PLEASE test how much of an performance downgrade it is on modern GPUs) With max being anywhere from 110 to 115, Mine looks to be world fastest in CB R15 at 114.700 and 1800 score with fastest I saw all around doing 115.500 ish on air on nearly all i7s and unlocked xeons you can use 25/125 strap thus giving you PCIE 3.0 back however as you might notice there is a problem: they top out at 115. So while technicly posible you won't get them as high exept LN2 maybe So get as high as you can (use offset's vs fixed voltages that generally works better here) and test if higher cpu performance is worth sacrificing PCIE bandwidth good luck and have fun
@@andrewmcewan9145 I can confirm that adjusting the Strap does NOT work on the Xeons. I tried it on an E5-1660 and the illustrious E5-1680 v2. These have an unlocked multiplier so it doesn't matter. I have overclocked a 3930k through the strap though and this is a better way to overclock if you prefer to dial in the memory settings manually.
You going to move on to X99 soon? There's amazing bundles to be had for good prices that include a 5820K, a decent motherboard, and 32gb of RAM. Well, in the States at least. Not sure how it is over at at the land of tea and crumpets. I adore that platform since it's so affordable, it has features that are significant even today, it has AVX2 instructions, and it can compete with early Ryzen 6-core CPUs. K SKUs were the start of Intel trying to cash in on the overclocking craze since people could extract extra performance at almost no cost (meaning no extra money goes to Intel in the process, but to the utility company they pay their power bill to).
Waiting for a good deal on a branded board. I have just picked up a replacement for my Gigabyte X79 so that I can test some Xeons, but that might push my X99 testing back a few more weeks.
@@IcebergTech Hopefuuly it will work lol , it's only got 1x8gb ram but evga 600b psu , 256gb ssd 1tb hdd & a corsair h80 (I grabbed a 3930k too) Look forward to seeing what you do with yours ! 👍
@@gamingreflections6476 If you haven't seen them already, I have two other videos using this setup: ua-cam.com/video/gD37djAuHYg/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/AM35TRpTrgk/v-deo.html (plus another coming tomorrow 😁
@@IcebergTech Yes thank you I have watched both (and most of your others too , as I'm subbed )😁😁. Colour me intrigued as to what you have in store for tomorrow 🤔🤔
I have this CPU in my Alienware! Still plays games pretty well for my purposes. Autodesk Inventor and Blender can be hard on it tho. So can running a game and a UA-cam video at the same time on different screens. I'm not sure if that's a "my PC" thing or everyone's PC has trouble with that... I run it with a GTX 1070 and I just got a 6700XT for $350 to put in it until I finish gathering parts for my new build. I want to run windows 11, have faster ram, and a lighter case, otherwise I'd stick with this for a year or two more. I'm a college student so the lighter case is a must for moving between home and school.
using Civ 6 to benchmark CPU it's good to keep in mind that the game runs primarily with two threads, so single core cpu are heavily penalized (hundreds of seconds per turn in late game like turn 100 or something). typically much past 4 threads gets little benefit, but still scales upwards a bit. this is why a 5600X can sometimes beat the 5950X. there is a difference between physical cores and HT cores (so an i5 4 core without HT will still typically beat an i3 2 core with HT) but it's not huge. cache size, minimum 2 cores (preferably capable of 4 threads), and clock speeds generally will determine performance. so small/slow cache performance will hurt this benchmark, as will lack of multithread performance. even good MT performance can take a hit if the clock speed is poor.
I have! In fact, I tried the i7-3820 with a 6900XT I borrowed from another channel, but I didn't see more than a 5% improvement in BF V and 10% in Cyberpunk. I suspect the PCIE gen 2 might have been the limiting factor, but without more time with the 6900XT I couldn't confirm.
I been building and selling 1640v2 in a cheap h61 mobo with 16gb ram. It pairs nicely with a gtx 970. About $150 then including a case 256gb ssd and psu its just another $100 to the total. I would love to see you build it and test it.
benchmarks ive done on the Raspberry pi 4 shows that the ARM floating point cores are more around a 5th gen i7... Integer operations, this would blow away the pi4
No, Intel HEDT processors ran one generation behind their numbers, so i7 Extreme 3000s are Sandy, 4000s Ivy, 5000s Haswell, 6000s Broadwell, 7000s & 9000s Skylake.
I have a e5 1620 in my drawer waiting for a nice x79 board floating around Facebook market. But i may get a e5 1680 if i do find a x79 board. but hey still were good cpus. its like the i5 7640x still a very fast chip when it came out. a i5 7640x is an amazing 4 core cpu try it.
Yeah I mean ... Agreed... Also just to make it even worse, you can get a AMD Ryzen 5 4500 for £66.77 and a MSI A520M-A PRO Motherboard for £58.49 - or a MSI B550 GAMING GEN3 Motherboard for £98.99 (a store called cclonline - no clue if that's a good one or not! 🙂) - meaning you could get a much newer platform for 66.77+58.49= £125.26 ... Which is less than the price of the X79 mobo...
That store.... Don't buy a complete setup from them! ... on £111 sale - their Horizon 5M AMD RTX 3050 Gaming PC is £689.99 without Windows... (Their prices for the components) AMD Ryzen 5 4500 £66.77 Gigabyte B550M £90 Kingston FURY Beast 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz DDR4 £36.68 MSI GeForce RTX 3050 Ventus 2X £223.99 (An INSANE pick if you consider the PowerColor Radeon RX 6650 XT Fighter 8GB is £243 - and in a TOTALLY different league of GPU) Intel 670p Series M.2-2280 512GB £30.99 Montech Fighter 500 £59.99 (LoL what a pick!) And some no name PSU - which is not on their site - but let's take the Corsair CV Series 650W 80+ Bronze for £59.99 = £568,41 Most of the parts are "sold out" as in you have to trick their site to see the actual price of them - and a lot of them are .... questionable - like that £60 case? Really? "The 1st Player DK D4 Mid Tower Gaming Case - White" for £33.99 on their own site looks to be exactly the same cheap China quality with just as "crappy" looking fans... Also I found out what the brand of PSU is - "GameMax" .... Soooo what £40 is a much more realistic price for that one right? ... so £522.41 ... and then the wrong GPU... 689.99 - 522.41 = £167,58 to build a PC........ jeeeesssssss so it takes their crew a full day to build a PC - rather than the about 23 minutes it takes me to build an average PC in a Thermaltake H18 including cable management using velcro ties... (at least a few years ago when I was a system builder 😀) ... we used to make a lot on that with adding about £50-£80 to the price here in Denmark... These people apparently want 2-3x that.... Yeah don't do that 😀
Yeah just went down the rabbit hole looking at prices in the UK... In an online store called Scan - this is what I found for £100+ less AMD Ryzen 5 5500, AM4, Zen 3, 6 Core, 12 Thread £94.99 AsRock A520M HDV, AMD A520 £49.99 Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 16GB 3600 MHz DDR4 Dual Channel Memory Kit £38.99 Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 1TB M.2 NVMe PCIe £55.99 Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 6650 XT PULSE 8GB 229.99 Corsair CV Series 650W 80+ Bronze £63.98 Thermaltake Versa H18 £39.98 = £585.42 That's just insane... Other than the motherboard which is a waste unless you have AT LEAST a 5600X - if not 5700X - that's just flat out a better system - for £104 less...Also the 650W PSU is a bit overkill considering the "estimated wattage" of the system is 325W - however - having overhead on the PSU is good. Could make do with a 500W though.... In conclusion: Jeeeeesss be careful English people when ordering a PC! LOL That's some grade A BS right there 😀
3820 is a great starter cpu for light games! Loved it for the few years I’ve had it. Upgrade to a 1680v2, and it’s still somewhat competent today (😢 lacks AVX 2 though).
With elden ring if you want to stop the high stutter spikes by disabling hyper threading. This is a must on older CPU's or the game is a complete stuttering mess.
I got rid of my 3930K. X79 motherboards is filled with toys. Obviously, you can't cheap on the PSU, if you fill up all the dimm slots. It's good for peeps who want a lot of USB & lots of SATA input at a decent used price. For games alone, meh, I do not recommend X79.
I upgraded from an X99 system with a Broadwell-E i7 6850K to a 12th gen 12400F system, and even 60FPS feels much smoother now. Games that used to stutter have stopped now other than game engine stuff you just can't get around with even the best hardware. But even those engine blips that some games have on all hardware are at least greatly minimized now. It's all about single core performance.
My brother should feel lucky to have the i7 3770s. It pairs well with a GTX 1070, though mainly because the 1070 has enough vRAM to handle newer games at 2560x1080 unlike his previous 970.
dlss quality is almost like using 1200p and kills the actual resolution comparison. if you have a monitor using 1333x768 resolution. you know using 1280x720 doesn't change the game that much. specially 1330x768 that is identical and boost alost 2-7 fps in many games
Try adding some Strategy games if you wish to stress the CPU - those are the most intensive ones. I recommend that you look into the Total War Warhammer series as they are notorious, and Vermintide/2 will surprise you as well. Thank you for the review nevertheless!
Just sold mine last week. Quad channel ram baby! Got a 12700k and Asus TUF wifi z690 for $349USD at Microcenter. Last month they had 11700k w/ Asus TUF wifi z590 for $199. Best sales they’ve ever had
Sadly no cpu before the i7 7700 provides no value really cause of the i3 12100 and soon to come i3 13100s these cpus really make oldschool cpus look horrible as a buy in 2022/23.
Eyy my old CPU when I got my PC back in 2013. Had it for 4 years and upgraded to i7 7700k, had that for about 5 years til I upgraded to Ryzen. Really good CPUs, even though Intel were being dicks about not innovating.
hello my processor is "Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3820 CPU @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz" This is my processor. Is it the same processor as yours in this video? Did you overclock? Is it the same as my processor in this video? If it is the same, it should be a bottleneck, please write in detail, I would appreciate it.
Great video! Never had a chance to test X79 chipset and corresponding CPUs for that Tho currently i am running a X99 machine with E5-2640 v4 - Broadwell, 90W 10C/20T unit - and i am aiming to make that base for a 1440p machine with Intel ARC 750 (or RX 6600) Those X79 are lacking AVX2, but X99 have it - now include fully utilized Quad Channel memory support and *POOF* you can get a very good gaming machine even now :D
I guess it’s cheap but the downside is a motherboard is £100+ buy now used 😫 grandma’s teeth rattle as well a little bit in the percentile’s but hay she is 91!
I7 2700k was like the greatest gaming CPU ever when it was released then it was like shit these things just get a lil better every year till Ryzen caught up with them in 2020 or when ever the 5000 series Ryzen processors came out. And even today it’s definitely not faster to be on Ryzen and it’s within 20-50 watts different the Intel being a lot more effecient at some workloads and the heaviest full thread Benchmark the Intel will use more power than Ryzen but not many people are running artificial benchmarks all the time …
awesome presentation you earned a subscribe. this CPU is a great choice for an emulation PC or a gaming at 1080P 60 FPS locked PC, I wouldn't build a PC with this however I would buy an assembled PC with this CPU if the price was right.
The i7-870 is still a 1st Gen chip. Your Lynnfield processor along with Clarksfield processors are part of the 'Client' platform, whereas the i7-900 series (Bloomfield and Gulftown) are part of the HEDT platform. With the 1st Generation, Intel released their HEDT platform almost a year before they released their Client platform. With the 2nd Gen, Intel released their HEDT platform almost a year after they released their Client platform. Client/Mainstream, lga1156, 1155, 1150, 1151, 1200, and 1700 HEDT, lga1366, 2011, 2011-v3, and 2066.
It's cheap just because the motherboard is very expensive and hard to find unless you use the crappy Chinese motherboard. And even that, there's many cheap Xeon around with more core so this became a chip no one want. The same goes for i7 5820K.
For me the Ryzen used market destroyed all those Intel offerings. You can get used B350/B450 Boards for around 40-50$ or even A320M (some of them are just relabled B350 btw like those on the Gigabyte A320M DS3(H) V2x) for crazy low 20-30$ A Ryzen 5 2600 sets u back another 60-70$ There is just no comparison. Why bother?
Not quite. In some regions amd is more expensive. I used x79 just up until recently when i switched to x299. And in many cases intel still makes more sense. Yes i agree, amd boards are mainly cheaper, especially compared with intel's enthusiast lineup. But one thing where intel shines is reliability. I had a Ryzen 7 1700x's memory controller get broken for example. Just by adjusting the voltage ever so slightly. I mean AMD ryzen cpu's have come a long way since then but intel is still the more reliable brand. Some people just care about the price and value. for those amd is usally the way to go but these old intel cpu's (x58 and onwards) hold up really well. One thing to note are these chinese boards on Aliexpress. They can actually offer a better value than amd does. And a 12 core Xeon E5 2690v3 @ 3.5GHz for 60 bucks?? C'mon this has to be better value for the money compared to a r5 2600!
X79 still wins in productivity here, 12 cores, up to 128gb of ram, support for ECC, 40 PCIe lanes (more than X99 after it) you can get those things by going with an threadripper and that's MUCH more expensive
Ryzen 7000 caused everyone in my country to buy Ryzen 5000, all the CPUs but the APUs are out of stock. Had to import the Ryzen 5 5600x from Amazon, no way I would pay $1000 to be on Ryzen 7000.
@@IcebergTech they're selling it on a local store on my town, they mostly sell old components companies stop using at a reasonable price. The problem: there is no motherboard
"hidden gem"... well yeah if you can somehow find X79 board to fit in your budget and considering price of cpu you looking at it probably won't And then if you decide to spend some more on 2011 board then why not get an 8-10 or even 12 core propositions instead that's the problem with those super cheap CPUs on no to cheap platforms
It's worth noting that Spider-Man Remastered is stupidly CPU bound in general with some finding better performance from DISABLING hyper threading on higher core CPUs.
I think it’s the lack of AVX 2. I get “alright” (50-75fps) performance @ 1080maxed. with a 1680v2 no HT.
@@lmaoitsmee1812 I've seen this game even struggle with Ryzen cpus and newer Intel CPUs. This game was making my 1600x cry and I'm upgrading to a 5600 soon. Haven't had a single game just have massive fps drops and dips that made my CPU cry until this game
*noting*
@@TheRealMoeru Same here, today I bought from Amazon US a Ryzen 5 5600x, an upgrade from the Ryzen 5 2600.
Everyone in my country got scared of how expensive Ryzen 7000 is and started to buy Ryzen 5000, its out of stock. Had to import it from Amazon.
The i3 12100 runs away in this game. It's not thread bound at all.
The i7-5820K is only 20 quid on Cex. With 6 physical cores and 12 threads at 3.3ghz (3.6 turbo) it would be interesting to see how it compares, especially when pushed on the overclock.
In addition to the quad channel memory support. It may very well keep up with DDR5 in situations where bandwidth matters. (As DDR5 is already having issues pulling away from high end DDR4 unless bandwidth limitations come into play)
the 5820K is a beast in general. It can nicely compare to a Ryzen 5 2600 - just way higher powerdraw.
5930k is £28 with 40 pci-e lanes.
yeah
and the xeons for both x79 and x99 are very cheap for what you get
an e5 2697v3 is only about 50$ while being 14c28t and still boosting to 3.6
@@bdub1682 the only problem about xeons are the motherboards, apart from that they’re a great option
Another great video! Keep up the great work good sir!
Congratulations on getting Spiderman Remastered. Can't wait to see you run the GPU gauntlet with it.
Former 3930k owner here and I remember the reviews for the i7-3820. The way to overclock it was by changing the CPU Strap to 125x (or higher) and lowering the multiplier. Moving the CPU Strap to say 125MHz would also safely move the speed for the PCH.
I tried overclocking my 3930k this way, which was somewhat similar to overclocking on the x58 platform. You also have to watch the RAM speeds.
This platform was released on Nov 14 2011
It's insane how the earliest i7s are still such great options for their price nowadays. Something everyone that's been thinking about getting into gaming should consider. With the sudden drop in gpu prices in the used market I think this is the best time to get into gaming in the past few years.
Used market is risky tho right you can get a defected unit
@@miguelpereira9859 used CPU market seems to be safer compared to the GPU market, i had what it supossedly an almost decade old i5-3470, bought it just literally before lockdown in 2020, and still kicking for almost 3 years, and yes i play demanding games too lmao, heavily modded Skyrim (around 400 mods), Cyberpunk, RDR2, Spider-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. most of the time it's on 70-95% load (i cap the fps on some games) at 70c-74c
@@AhmadWahelsa Lol good to hear that
@@AhmadWahelsa my concern on vintage CPUs like Sandy Bridge are their memory still on DDR3, and bad power efficiency, even though it's cheaper
@@AhmadWahelsa the real issue are the mobos. They crap out too easily.
great quality content as usual!!
Might've been handy to compare it to a 2600k at some point, to see if that generation gains too much from twice the memory channels
01:09 It's not that my hand was inexperienced. It just slipped. It could happen to anyone. Hardly any pins were bent. I needed a new motherboard anyways.
The only real downside to sandy/ivy bridge is it lacks the avx2 instruction set. The haswell refresh xeons are great too, like the e3-1231v3.
man I love your videos, keep up the good work.
The X79 platform still performs great in today's games. My editing rig uses an i7-3960X.
BFV was hard for some 6700k's and 7700k's to run smoothly, I remember people complaining about optimization issues and here they have a 2080ti playing at 1080p and there cpu sitting at 100% where my 5960x at stock did better with a pair of 1070s with Nvidia inspector. Same can be said about 2042, see people complain their 7700ks cant run 2042 smoothly, the end of the quad core for modern triple A games I feel is pretty close.
A lot of people have forgotten what a great platform X99 is. For a while I gamed on a 6850K with a 2 x 980Ti in SLI. Being able to run both of those GPUs at 16X was a huge advantage over a "consumer" system. About to drop in a Xeon E5-2699 v3 to play with.
I bought my X79 MSI X79A-GD45 (8D) motherboard for 75 euros and Xeon 1650v2 for 21 euros. In combination with the cheap 1600mhz 4x4 gb memory overclocked to 1866mhz, it is still a very nice set, with a performance of more or less Ryzen 5 1600.
I still have my 3930k based pc too it still performs quite nicely indeed
Just found your stuff, you are the kinda content creator I strive to be one day. Keep making videos!
The 3820 could clock much higher by simply adjusting the cpu strap to 1.25. Some could even do 1.50. X79 still awsome 10 years later.
Ive gotten 127.5 stable before
I was just looking for a comparative between i7-3820 and ryzen 5 5600x. Thanks, and I Just going to purchase a 3070 or higher (I have a 1060 6gb), but I never expect that there are almost double fps in the line. I think its better for me to make a new pc and retired the older one.
I can't think of any reason why someone would want one of these as it's slow and underequipped compared to the Xeons you can also buy for the same socket - this i7 is the same gen as the v1 E5 Xeons and is built with 32nm tech, the v2 revision moved to 22nm and was significantly faster and less power hungry. The one I'd recommend is the E5-2680v2 as it's easily found for about 20ukp, has 10 cores instead of the 4 of this i7 and is more than twice as fast. The Xeon uses less wattage, has greater memory bandwidth, supports faster memory and ECC which means you can use much cheaper ECC memory sticks, it also has PCI-E 3.0, whereas this i7 is still PCI-E 2.0. If you want to spend even less money, you can buy a v1 Xeon such as the E5-2667 for less than this i7 and still have significantly more performance, in the case of the E5-2667, about 50% more, and I paid just 10ukp for a matched pair of them a couple of months ago to upgrade a system that couldn't accept v2 Xeons.
Just bought this CPU online waiting to ship now. Come with the CPU/Mobo, GTX 660, 16gb ddr3, a sketchy "900w PSU" 120mm aio CPU cooler, 1tb HDD, and a few random led fans. Right @ $60. Snatched it in an ebay auction. Plan to do a budget build for a flip. Probably sell the PSU and GTX 660 outright for parts. I don't really plan on trying to sell built as is I'll at least give someone a decent PSU & better GPU option with SSD boot drive. Probably go with GTX 1650 and sale price @ 350. 😉
you could also buy a older dell optiplex with a 6th gen cpu and throw a gpu in that for about 250 usd (100 for the optiplex, 150 for a used rx 6500 or new 6400)
seems to be using 100w at 4.3ghz for nothing just because of the HEDT platform, since my i5 2500k at 4.5 and 1.4v doesnt go above 60w
Just yesterday i got a xeon 2650 v3 on aliexpress, it's a 10 core beast that can trade blows with first gen Ryzen 7, for the unbelievable price of $11. + a motherboard for $75
Lovely video as always!
I wonder what’s the difference in things like running Microsoft Office between this processor and a much newer one. From my experience while comparing my oldI5 4th gen Pro book to my very new, I7 12700H Envy 16, the difference should be quite acceptable, not to say inconsiderable. Can someone confirm that? I’m kinda paranoid thinking that there’s something wrong with my new laptop lol. Thanks!
0:10 to 0:16 😬
I like how he referred to the enthusiasts that fondly remember them as ageing rather than the hardware. Though, that is also true for the hardware.
need to cap your fps often reducing that peak average by 10% will increase consitancy of your low and less variantion mean more consistancy
how much are the mobos for those? cause i know that z77 chipset mobos went up so high that you might aswell get a new buffed x570 mobo and still save some...
old intel chips fail really rarely... but the mobos.. die every 3-4 years, even if lucky.
I used this cpu for 7 years and it was amazing
I got the 4930k and a gtx 980ti, have been rocking this now for 10 years.. LOL Or close to it now!! Waiting for the next gen of Intel chips and Nividia rtx 5000 graphics cards to come out.. then I will buy again for the next 10 years.. but I will still keep this thing as a back up if needed..
Hi, im being offered this cpu i7 3820 + msi x79 mobo for about £41. Should i grab this? Im more to 1080p to 1440p gaming with medium high settings. Thinking of combo with gtx 1080 ti. Waddya think?
X79 boards have a blck multiplyer in steps of 0.25
Blck multiplyer is not like adjusting the bclk there are no instabilities added to the pci-e bus.
Even at the first step of 1.25 that would give you a max of 125x43 = 5.375 ghz
Memory and qpi do have to be adjusted to the new ratios though.
And voltage has to be locked as mostlikley your offset to get lower speed step bins stable would be way to much at the max clock.
Thanks! I'm looking at getting a couple of locked Xeons, I might have a go at overclocking them.
@@IcebergTech its worth a try I am not sure if the locked xeons can have the blck strap changed. Sorry for getting your hopes up if that is the case. But the 3820 definitely can use bclk straps.
@@andrewmcewan9145 Linus managed to get an 11MHz BCLK OC on an E5 2697 (back when they were new), so even if the straps don't work I remain hopeful!
@@IcebergTech @Iceberg Tech Since I got one here is how it works:
Straps and locked xeons have one problem- you can't clock them to 125 bclk (bit longer explanation down below)
BCLK overclocking works really well on these but around 102-105 PCIe 3.0 get's swapped with 2.0 (PLEASE test how much of an performance downgrade it is on modern GPUs)
With max being anywhere from 110 to 115, Mine looks to be world fastest in CB R15 at 114.700 and 1800 score with fastest I saw all around doing 115.500 ish on air
on nearly all i7s and unlocked xeons you can use 25/125 strap thus giving you PCIE 3.0 back however as you might notice there is a problem: they top out at 115. So while technicly posible you won't get them as high exept LN2 maybe
So get as high as you can (use offset's vs fixed voltages that generally works better here) and test if higher cpu performance is worth sacrificing PCIE bandwidth
good luck and have fun
@@andrewmcewan9145 I can confirm that adjusting the Strap does NOT work on the Xeons. I tried it on an E5-1660 and the illustrious E5-1680 v2. These have an unlocked multiplier so it doesn't matter. I have overclocked a 3930k through the strap though and this is a better way to overclock if you prefer to dial in the memory settings manually.
You going to move on to X99 soon? There's amazing bundles to be had for good prices that include a 5820K, a decent motherboard, and 32gb of RAM. Well, in the States at least. Not sure how it is over at at the land of tea and crumpets. I adore that platform since it's so affordable, it has features that are significant even today, it has AVX2 instructions, and it can compete with early Ryzen 6-core CPUs.
K SKUs were the start of Intel trying to cash in on the overclocking craze since people could extract extra performance at almost no cost (meaning no extra money goes to Intel in the process, but to the utility company they pay their power bill to).
Waiting for a good deal on a branded board. I have just picked up a replacement for my Gigabyte X79 so that I can test some Xeons, but that might push my X99 testing back a few more weeks.
Did you put this mb/cpu combo in a pc and sell it to cex ? cos I've just bought a custom pc (x79 ud3 /3820) from them for £80 lol
Lol no I didn’t, but what a bargain! I’m keeping hold of the CEX machine for a while, got some more plans for it.
@@IcebergTech Hopefuuly it will work lol , it's only got 1x8gb ram but evga 600b psu , 256gb ssd 1tb hdd & a corsair h80 (I grabbed a 3930k too)
Look forward to seeing what you do with yours ! 👍
@@gamingreflections6476 If you haven't seen them already, I have two other videos using this setup: ua-cam.com/video/gD37djAuHYg/v-deo.html & ua-cam.com/video/AM35TRpTrgk/v-deo.html (plus another coming tomorrow 😁
@@IcebergTech Yes thank you I have watched both (and most of your others too , as I'm subbed )😁😁.
Colour me intrigued as to what you have in store for tomorrow 🤔🤔
You might as well get a Xeon V2 with more L3 and tons of cheap ECC RAM?
Edit: oh yeah also moar cores
I have this CPU in my Alienware! Still plays games pretty well for my purposes. Autodesk Inventor and Blender can be hard on it tho. So can running a game and a UA-cam video at the same time on different screens. I'm not sure if that's a "my PC" thing or everyone's PC has trouble with that...
I run it with a GTX 1070 and I just got a 6700XT for $350 to put in it until I finish gathering parts for my new build. I want to run windows 11, have faster ram, and a lighter case, otherwise I'd stick with this for a year or two more. I'm a college student so the lighter case is a must for moving between home and school.
The UA-cam thing sounds normal to me for that CPU, as it is an older quad core processor.
same deal, got an R3 with the 3820 and a 6700xt atm, for such an old CPU the 3820 is an absolute powerhorse
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Much appreciated!
old systems are great, if you gona get a low end gpu like a rx570 or gtx980/980ti these and others before 7th gen intel cpus are amazing value
using Civ 6 to benchmark CPU it's good to keep in mind that the game runs primarily with two threads, so single core cpu are heavily penalized (hundreds of seconds per turn in late game like turn 100 or something). typically much past 4 threads gets little benefit, but still scales upwards a bit. this is why a 5600X can sometimes beat the 5950X. there is a difference between physical cores and HT cores (so an i5 4 core without HT will still typically beat an i3 2 core with HT) but it's not huge. cache size, minimum 2 cores (preferably capable of 4 threads), and clock speeds generally will determine performance.
so small/slow cache performance will hurt this benchmark, as will lack of multithread performance. even good MT performance can take a hit if the clock speed is poor.
i just found out through your link that ebay changes cart (U.S.) to basket (UK)
Have you seen the Hardware unboxed videos about Nvidia’s driver overhead on older and less powerful CPU’s?
I have! In fact, I tried the i7-3820 with a 6900XT I borrowed from another channel, but I didn't see more than a 5% improvement in BF V and 10% in Cyberpunk. I suspect the PCIE gen 2 might have been the limiting factor, but without more time with the 6900XT I couldn't confirm.
I been building and selling 1640v2 in a cheap h61 mobo with 16gb ram. It pairs nicely with a gtx 970. About $150 then including a case 256gb ssd and psu its just another $100 to the total. I would love to see you build it and test it.
i love how a few people have made videos about this recently....
benchmarks ive done on the Raspberry pi 4 shows that the ARM floating point cores are more around a 5th gen i7... Integer operations, this would blow away the pi4
Unfortunately can't find that in any online market store
Ive been overclocking this cpu to 4.65 ghz stabily with a asus sabertooth motherboard and no problem and get a 4500 in r23
Isn't it Ivy Bridge?
No, Intel HEDT processors ran one generation behind their numbers, so i7 Extreme 3000s are Sandy, 4000s Ivy, 5000s Haswell, 6000s Broadwell, 7000s & 9000s Skylake.
great video!👍
I have a e5 1620 in my drawer waiting for a nice x79 board floating around Facebook market. But i may get a e5 1680 if i do find a x79 board. but hey still were good cpus. its like the i5 7640x still a very fast chip when it came out. a i5 7640x is an amazing 4 core cpu try it.
is it thou? i7 3820 + mainbaord cost as much as used i3 10100f + h410 mainboard. Rather go for new generation
Sandy Bridge? Is it not Ivy Bridge? I wrecked a 1155 socket last week 😢
It's a socket 2011 chip, so model numbers are inflated by 1. Sandy Bridge-E = i7-3000, Ivy Bridge-E = i7-4000 etc
@@IcebergTech cool. Every day is a learning day! Great videos.
Yeah I mean ... Agreed... Also just to make it even worse, you can get a AMD Ryzen 5 4500 for £66.77 and a MSI A520M-A PRO Motherboard for £58.49 - or a MSI B550 GAMING GEN3 Motherboard for £98.99 (a store called cclonline - no clue if that's a good one or not! 🙂) - meaning you could get a much newer platform for 66.77+58.49= £125.26 ... Which is less than the price of the X79 mobo...
That store.... Don't buy a complete setup from them!
... on £111 sale - their Horizon 5M AMD RTX 3050 Gaming PC is £689.99 without Windows...
(Their prices for the components)
AMD Ryzen 5 4500 £66.77
Gigabyte B550M £90
Kingston FURY Beast 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz DDR4 £36.68
MSI GeForce RTX 3050 Ventus 2X £223.99 (An INSANE pick if you consider the PowerColor Radeon RX 6650 XT Fighter 8GB is £243 - and in a TOTALLY different league of GPU)
Intel 670p Series M.2-2280 512GB £30.99
Montech Fighter 500 £59.99 (LoL what a pick!)
And some no name PSU - which is not on their site - but let's take the Corsair CV Series 650W 80+ Bronze for £59.99
= £568,41
Most of the parts are "sold out" as in you have to trick their site to see the actual price of them - and a lot of them are .... questionable - like that £60 case? Really? "The 1st Player DK D4 Mid Tower Gaming Case - White" for £33.99 on their own site looks to be exactly the same cheap China quality with just as "crappy" looking fans... Also I found out what the brand of PSU is - "GameMax" .... Soooo what £40 is a much more realistic price for that one right? ... so £522.41 ... and then the wrong GPU...
689.99 - 522.41 = £167,58 to build a PC........ jeeeesssssss so it takes their crew a full day to build a PC - rather than the about 23 minutes it takes me to build an average PC in a Thermaltake H18 including cable management using velcro ties... (at least a few years ago when I was a system builder 😀) ... we used to make a lot on that with adding about £50-£80 to the price here in Denmark... These people apparently want 2-3x that.... Yeah don't do that 😀
Yeah just went down the rabbit hole looking at prices in the UK... In an online store called Scan - this is what I found for £100+ less
AMD Ryzen 5 5500, AM4, Zen 3, 6 Core, 12 Thread £94.99
AsRock A520M HDV, AMD A520 £49.99
Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 16GB 3600 MHz DDR4 Dual Channel Memory Kit £38.99
Samsung 970 EVO PLUS 1TB M.2 NVMe PCIe £55.99
Sapphire AMD Radeon RX 6650 XT PULSE 8GB 229.99
Corsair CV Series 650W 80+ Bronze £63.98
Thermaltake Versa H18 £39.98
= £585.42
That's just insane... Other than the motherboard which is a waste unless you have AT LEAST a 5600X - if not 5700X - that's just flat out a better system - for £104 less...Also the 650W PSU is a bit overkill considering the "estimated wattage" of the system is 325W - however - having overhead on the PSU is good. Could make do with a 500W though....
In conclusion: Jeeeeesss be careful English people when ordering a PC! LOL That's some grade A BS right there 😀
3820 is a great starter cpu for light games! Loved it for the few years I’ve had it. Upgrade to a 1680v2, and it’s still somewhat competent today (😢 lacks AVX 2 though).
Lack of AVX2 is the biggest problem X79 gonna face in the next years imo
Rocking i7 2600 on z77 4.2ghz goes strong.
With elden ring if you want to stop the high stutter spikes by disabling hyper threading. This is a must on older CPU's or the game is a complete stuttering mess.
Could you test it with F1 22?
Love the content
im running a i3 3220 right now thinking of upgrading to a i5 3450
I got rid of my 3930K. X79 motherboards is filled with toys. Obviously, you can't cheap on the PSU, if you fill up all the dimm slots. It's good for peeps who want a lot of USB & lots of SATA input at a decent used price. For games alone, meh, I do not recommend X79.
Something like a Xeon E5-1680V2 should still do the trick nowadays on X79. 8 Cores, unlocked multiplier. At 4.5 GHz basically second gen Ryzen
Funny thing is this CPU still expensive compared to a 5960X which sells for $90 in my country
Maybe use 4 channel memory intead of 2 will help in performance, i presume
I did!
I upgraded from an X99 system with a Broadwell-E i7 6850K to a 12th gen 12400F system, and even 60FPS feels much smoother now. Games that used to stutter have stopped now other than game engine stuff you just can't get around with even the best hardware. But even those engine blips that some games have on all hardware are at least greatly minimized now. It's all about single core performance.
My brother should feel lucky to have the i7 3770s. It pairs well with a GTX 1070, though mainly because the 1070 has enough vRAM to handle newer games at 2560x1080 unlike his previous 970.
It's fine, the 1070 is just better than the 980 Ti, good pairing.
How well does it come when handling newer games?
dlss quality is almost like using 1200p and kills the actual resolution comparison.
if you have a monitor using 1333x768 resolution. you know using 1280x720 doesn't change the game that much. specially 1330x768 that is identical and boost alost 2-7 fps in many games
I think the Xeon (forgot which model, same as i7 2600) is a better value. It's basically the same price but much cheaper and more common motherboard.
Xeon E3-1230 V1
It's a locked CPU tho, which will get stomped by i7-2600K OC.
Criticizing the 3820’s overclocking ability is foolish. They were amazing clockers.
i7 3820 did for me a good steady 4.5 ghz
Bro why did the ram config just randomly change
In the B-roll? I used some old shots from the CEX machine video to fill for time.
@@IcebergTech :0
4.3GHz gigahertz? Everything? 4.5GHz takes no problems, my processor was running at 5 GHz on a regular basis.
Try adding some Strategy games if you wish to stress the CPU - those are the most intensive ones. I recommend that you look into the Total War Warhammer series as they are notorious, and Vermintide/2 will surprise you as well.
Thank you for the review nevertheless!
I'd be surprised if most x79 users aren't on a 6 core or even 8 core (1680v2) by now.
Just sold mine last week. Quad channel ram baby! Got a 12700k and Asus TUF wifi z690 for $349USD at Microcenter. Last month they had 11700k w/ Asus TUF wifi z590 for $199. Best sales they’ve ever had
@@MrJaman0083 they are literally worth more on the used market.
Sadly no cpu before the i7 7700 provides no value really cause of the i3 12100 and soon to come i3 13100s these cpus really make oldschool cpus look horrible as a buy in 2022/23.
Pls explain
@@jelly8594 newer is better, it's quite easy to grasp.
I'm running this right now, on my 10 year old PC, 32gb ram, runs everything fine.
Will no doubt get a new PC in the new year, I'm long overdue.
How tf did you get that for 12 pounds , i paid 83 for my i7 3770k
Eyy my old CPU when I got my PC back in 2013. Had it for 4 years and upgraded to i7 7700k, had that for about 5 years til I upgraded to Ryzen. Really good CPUs, even though Intel were being dicks about not innovating.
Sandy Bridge?
I tought that i7 3000 series is Ivy Bridge.
no, Intel advanced the generational number with their HEDT platform. Ivy Bridge HEDT is the i7-4820k, i7-4930k, and the i7-4960x.
hello
my processor is "Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3820 CPU @ 3.60GHz 3.60 GHz"
This is my processor. Is it the same processor as yours in this video? Did you overclock? Is it the same as my processor in this video? If it is the same, it should be a bottleneck, please write in detail, I would appreciate it.
you really wanna bring that budget down pair it with a chinese x79 board with quad ddr3 support for £51 and winner winner chicken dinner
Great video!
Never had a chance to test X79 chipset and corresponding CPUs for that
Tho currently i am running a X99 machine with E5-2640 v4 - Broadwell, 90W 10C/20T unit - and i am aiming to make that base for a 1440p machine with Intel ARC 750 (or RX 6600)
Those X79 are lacking AVX2, but X99 have it - now include fully utilized Quad Channel memory support and *POOF* you can get a very good gaming machine even now :D
I guess it’s cheap but the downside is a motherboard is £100+ buy now used 😫 grandma’s teeth rattle as well a little bit in the percentile’s but hay she is 91!
Don't buy a 2011 motherboard, buy a 2011 system such as a Dell T3600 or HP z420 which are both dirt cheap these days and upgrade it.
The difference in price between the 3930 and 3960 vs performance gains is mind numbingly horrible lololol
the problem is expensive motherboards
I7 3770 and i7 4790
Or still great gaming CPUs highly overlooked by people who haven’t been into PC gaming since 1998 haha
I7 2700k was like the greatest gaming CPU ever when it was released then it was like shit these things just get a lil better every year till Ryzen caught up with them in 2020 or when ever the 5000 series Ryzen processors came out. And even today it’s definitely not faster to be on Ryzen and it’s within 20-50 watts different the Intel being a lot more effecient at some workloads and the heaviest full thread Benchmark the Intel will use more power than Ryzen but not many people are running artificial benchmarks all the time …
it supports only pcie 2.0 so rip?
i think you should test it with a gtx 1650 or a 10603gb or 6gb prob more accurate ik this is a cpu benchmark but im just giving you a idea
awesome presentation you earned a subscribe. this CPU is a great choice for an emulation PC or a gaming at 1080P 60 FPS locked PC, I wouldn't build a PC with this however I would buy an assembled PC with this CPU if the price was right.
130W TDP? No wonder it was forgotten... better buy a 3770K at 77W.
2nd gen was not Sandy Bridge, it was lynnfield. I know because I owned an i7 870.
The i7-870 is still a 1st Gen chip. Your Lynnfield processor along with Clarksfield processors are part of the 'Client' platform, whereas the i7-900 series (Bloomfield and Gulftown) are part of the HEDT platform.
With the 1st Generation, Intel released their HEDT platform almost a year before they released their Client platform. With the 2nd Gen, Intel released their HEDT platform almost a year after they released their Client platform.
Client/Mainstream, lga1156, 1155, 1150, 1151, 1200, and 1700
HEDT, lga1366, 2011, 2011-v3, and 2066.
You could probably get a 300 or 400 series board with a ryzen 5 1600 for 80 pounds or whatever too
this cost 70 dollars in my country
The performance is not awful for the price on a 3070
this would make a really good build for someone on a budget
Nobody is dropping £100+ on a decently specced board to put in a £12 CPU :D
It’s not bad
Im using i7 4770 very good CPU
I have this in an old Dell Optiplex, pairs well with a GTX 1650.
tdp 130 watts wtf
It's cheap just because the motherboard is very expensive and hard to find unless you use the crappy Chinese motherboard. And even that, there's many cheap Xeon around with more core so this became a chip no one want. The same goes for i7 5820K.
lmao i used to have this chip till i updated KEWK
For me the Ryzen used market destroyed all those Intel offerings. You can get used B350/B450 Boards for around 40-50$ or even A320M (some of them are just relabled B350 btw like those on the Gigabyte A320M DS3(H) V2x) for crazy low 20-30$
A Ryzen 5 2600 sets u back another 60-70$
There is just no comparison. Why bother?
Not quite. In some regions amd is more expensive. I used x79 just up until recently when i switched to x299. And in many cases intel still makes more sense. Yes i agree, amd boards are mainly cheaper, especially compared with intel's enthusiast lineup. But one thing where intel shines is reliability. I had a Ryzen 7 1700x's memory controller get broken for example. Just by adjusting the voltage ever so slightly. I mean AMD ryzen cpu's have come a long way since then but intel is still the more reliable brand. Some people just care about the price and value. for those amd is usally the way to go but these old intel cpu's (x58 and onwards) hold up really well. One thing to note are these chinese boards on Aliexpress. They can actually offer a better value than amd does. And a 12 core Xeon E5 2690v3 @ 3.5GHz for 60 bucks?? C'mon this has to be better value for the money compared to a r5 2600!
X79 still wins in productivity here, 12 cores, up to 128gb of ram, support for ECC, 40 PCIe lanes (more than X99 after it)
you can get those things by going with an threadripper and that's MUCH more expensive
Ryzen 7000 caused everyone in my country to buy Ryzen 5000, all the CPUs but the APUs are out of stock.
Had to import the Ryzen 5 5600x from Amazon, no way I would pay $1000 to be on Ryzen 7000.
Everybody is not able to have the good* US/EU deals.
@@lmaoitsmee1812 That's right.
I found the i7 3960x for 30 bucks lmao
Funny you should mention that...
@@IcebergTech they're selling it on a local store on my town, they mostly sell old components companies stop using at a reasonable price. The problem: there is no motherboard
(I have a video about that exact CPU coming up in 24 hours 7 mins time, but don't tell anyone!)
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"hidden gem"... well yeah if you can somehow find X79 board to fit in your budget and considering price of cpu you looking at it probably won't
And then if you decide to spend some more on 2011 board then why not get an 8-10 or even 12 core propositions instead
that's the problem with those super cheap CPUs on no to cheap platforms