@rizzington1 I dunno man, death guard really doesn't need more melee, we have that in spades, what we need is anti-tank fire at range, which brigands offer, sure karnivores hit hard, but so do deathshroud
I know as factions go we are in an okay spot, but seeing our army rule feel like an afterthought while we are pressured on taking so many brigands doesn’t feel great.
I mean you can still take Stalkers, huntsmen, the melee dogs. Three of your big knights are still competitively costed. Rampager isnt bad just not top of the top in terms of cost.
I certainly can and I do. I like to have variety in my lists so 6 brigands isn't for me. And you're right, I really like the rampager for what it is. But addressing your points, when I take the other dogs, I feel like there just isn't a great point to it, from a competitive standpoint at least. Not everyone's preferred way of looking at it, I know, but I'm mostly against pretty strong armies, custodes, space marines (strong against knights at least) imperial knights etc... so that does matter to me. Karnivores cost more and the other dogs losing weapon skill and AP really hurts their consistency. And as for competitively costed big knights I'm not sure, I felt like they were competitively costed before, but, except for maybe the despoiler, I felt like the points increase was a lot more than they deserved. The heart of what I'm not happy with is that I struggle to find a reason to take a different model or models that isn't just 'I like it more'. That's great, but I don't feel like I have to make any strategic give and take choices in list building. @@keyanklupacs6333
Yeah it really feels like 9th edition lite right now. That said though i feel like there's more freedom with the lists i make. I've managed to have fun games with entire big knight armies, used my tyrant almost every game and found uses for pretty much every knight in a lot of different lists. The buffs war dogs get from larger knights can make for some great combos. I'm definitely disappointed by the army rule (and battleshock in general) and the points changes but im still making the most of it. In fact the points cost in particular gave me the shits. We're paying because of Imperial Knights. The despoiler does not deserve to be that expensive. Nowhere near as powerful as people make it out to be. Also, Karnivores slap. Nothing more satisfying than running up to a tank and just tearing it in half in one turn.
Are we though? We're barely holding onto our 45% winrate and for this past week it was 43%. We're on the weaker end, and got punished because of Imperial Knights being too good.
I like that Auspex felt the need to label the Chaos Lancer with the mark of chaos to designate it as Chaos when you can see the Eye of Horus popping out there anyway
And we were so close to not just having another War Dog meta like in 9th before they nerfed everything with Towering into oblivion. I swear it's like they make these Knights datacards without wanting anyone to actually field a single, ACTUAL knight.
yeah they've ruined chaos knights again, luckily I only really play with a single friend so if/when j wanna play a knight or play knights I'll just undo the points nerf and not use the stupid towering rule. I don't know a single person who enjoys towering. it literally just removes an aspect of the game.
@@ryza7760 I do the same, i play with only a few friends and we just use the original points and dont implement Towering and we have a lot of fun playing knights (imperials or chaos), such an easy solution... no wonder GW will never implement it.
@@ryza7760 "ruined" is a strong word. They're going take a more indepth look in sepetember. If your points are still shit after that THEN I think you have a right to be angry. The towering nerf was just sort of a quick fix and three months of a meh list isnt that bad in the grand scheme of things.
@@keyanklupacs6333 they aren't gonna do anything to ck. wardog spam is keeping their win rate out of the bottom 10, which is enough to make sure they're overlooked. look, what happened in 9th, they didn't even touch ck again iirc. you really think this company has gotten less lazy?
Unfortunately war dog spam is always going to pretty good, so that's keeping our win rate up and will leave us untouched. I would say our faction rules outside of the knights of shade stratagem are almost useless and besides taking a single desecrator or castigator you are actively hurting your list bringing any big knights.
The old problem Chaos Marines used to have with Cultists. When it's very easy to vapourize the big tough expensive guys, why not spam the little effective guys instead? Basically Knights will never be viable over Wardogs as long as knights cost 3x the points. Codex Wardog.
We FINALLY had a good reason to use our big knights this edition despite not being nearly as good as imperial knights !...and then we were caught in the crossfire, and now we're back to spamming wardogs... Maybe one day I'll be able to use 3 big knights competitively as a ck player...
When the chaos knights codex came out in 9th I bought the army box, painted them up as House Lucaris, had a load of fun playing them. Then I bought into daemons when their codex came out. Needless to say I'm in a pretty happy place with 2 strong armies that I can swap allies back and forth with depending on how I feel like playing. I like running a tyrant, desecrater, 4 brigands, and 2 karnivores. Give tyrant aoc and desecrater sticky objectives. My daemons right now is belkor, bloodthirster, lord of change, shalaxi, nurgle daemon prince, and 3 brigands. The 3 characters that can take enhancements do so. I'm having a ball lol. Would love to try an all war dog list though, just need 3 more boxes of wardogs (( wink wink ))
One thing to ad to the improved AP not being that impactful for the Melta for the Brigand AP -5 means that big targets without an invulnerable can't save anymore or only saves on 6 instead of 5 in cover. I'd say that's fairly big.
I just finished my paiting Abominant in Tzeentchy color scheme and since I started my Thousand Sons army I wanted to ally him there until I get more units. It will deffinetly be a mistake but it should still be fun.
I’m a thousand sons player thinking about knights and sort of starting this way, although I’m using knights as an excuse to go wild and paint something unlike my usual fare
I play mostly Slaanesh Daemons, and I ally in a night as way to A) get guns, and B) distract distract distract while the daemons get close. Daemonettes even see combat sometimes when there's a knight on the board giving them coverfire!
@@timunderbakke8756 knight are such an awesome project. I played Sigmar alot but randomly I wanted to to tackle one big project... and i chose a Chaos Knight ... as my very first 40 model. then slowly got enough of them to have a functional army . But they are such a joy to paint and kitbash
Abom just got buffed luckily! Doesn’t really matter to me though I just have one because I think they’re sick. What does matter to me is world eaters got a huge nerf for no good reason…
Brigands, Desecrator + Long Leash, and a Castigator or two. Bring the comedy as you reroll your 1s and sustain your hits. Truly, Brigand is Brigand Tier.
Cheeky use of Brigand’s “closest eligible target” is with Dread Hounds, because the brigand(s) _must_ target a specific unit, that makes it by definition the closest eligible target…
Dual wielding Gatling cannons are incredibly nieche i've found with the despoiler. Unless you're firing into squishy infantry they do bugger all. I guess against orks, nids, guard and GSC they might be useful. That said i had a squad of neophytes kill mine in one turn before it could fire thanks to GSC being crazy meta right now.
Actually took home a tournament with these guys last month. List was -Despoiler w/ thermal cannon, chainsword, ruinspear pod, panoply of the cursed -Desecrator w/aura of terror -Brigand x4 -Huntsman x2 -Executioner Huntsmen were surprisingly effective, and using the despoiler as a distraction unit panned out very well.
Remember ya gitz, if they iz pointing the shootas at our stompa, they ain't gonna see us coming up and krumping them! We'z gots to be like Mork, cunnin' but brutal
@@auspextactics Might it be worth mentioning Knights as allies in Daemon lists? They fill all the holes in Daemon rosters very nicely. Especially since you can take 3 wardogs in a Daemon list.
So war dogs are great, cool good to know. Now if we could actually BUY them from somewhere that would be better. Other than the ridiculous prices on ebay I havent been able to find them anywhere. Apparently they have been out of stock for a really long time.
I laughed at the name of the last tier, it's absolutely correct, but I blame that on internal balance and that we don't have enough choice out of the bigger knights
I feel like Karnivores should cost 150, and Brigand 160. Probably wouldn't change that much, but people would not just slap 6 Brigands (and maybe some Stalkers, super cheap AND are characters) as autoinclude
Hi there! Is the Admech tierlist planned anytime soon?, these spiky robots are an ofense to the Omnisiah, would love to know how to beat them! Love the channel btw!
To everyone that says CK pays because IK were to good: The problem is the towering keyword, not the IK army. In fact every towering unit have seen a significant point increase. Sure the IK rules are better, I'm not denying it, but the real problema were the point cost mixed up with the towering rule.
Thanks you for that, I wanted to play Chaos Knight but I'm not a really good player so thanks for help me to know what units is playable and what is not. I'm pretty sad for the Abominant that I really love, but I sweat it will be buff somedays. Oh, I forfait to Say that I'm french so my english is probably Bad, and my automatic corrector don't help me
It's with noting that I support your patrion because you put a lot of work into this and provide a great service to the community as a whole. With that being said I've never wanted to win a give away more than this!
Wardogs are moving a minimum 12", T10, 12W, brigands and karnivores hit on 2s, can deliver a better tank shock than any tank, and have a 5+ invul at range. For between 135 - 160 pts.
I don't really get the hype around the brigands, sure they have 2+ attacks but they're also lacking in melee. I generally play against the Tau and I would much rather play a huntsman.
The problem is the Huntsman's melee is poor. Better to have the Brigand's gattling cannon instead. Especially as it has the 2+ BS. I only take a Huntsman when points run out for a Brigand.
At the moment its probably a negative. Only one War Dog model can take an enhancement, and most enhancements are worthless on a single War Dog. Which means it can get hit by Anti-Character attacks for no real benefit.
Honestly, tier 2 feels to high for Executioners. They're pretty much worthless. They struggle to kill even Guardsmen since theyre only ap1 on the autocannons. You can get better units to screen out of demon allies. Moirax is overcosted, but Executioners are the only genuinely bad War Dog.
The main issue of the CK is that thier main rules are crap. If they want to make a faction centered around battle shoock they should have some sort of stacking mechanic and have the BS tests be taken at the end of every movement phase. Right now the only thing that holds the faction together is the strength of their datasheets and with the big knights taking the blanket nerf war dog spam is the way competitively. I want to see some pts dropping, especially from the abominnt. He really needs to go back to about the 390 mark
I've been having fun using Knights as allies for exactly the reasons you said. Army rule sucks? Dump it. Ally 3 Wardogs in to a Daemon or CSM list and let them rip face without even worrying about their garbage army rule. Just a big sheet wrecking stuff while your Daemons teleport in extremely close and regenerate wounds, or while your CSM load the right ammo for the job or whatever.
nah tbh the reason it sucks is because volkite is just worthless lmao. if it was a plasma blast gun then I'm sure it'd actually be okay. not good, because gw refuses to let big knights ever be better than wardogs
@@ryza7760 I was trying to make a joke, given the abominant is the new, shiny big knight, and it's been given rules that are apparently not good, so clearly they don't need to sell anymore. I don't play the game, i just like listening to auspex on my walks, he makes videos long enough that they just fade into white noise.
Full Chaos Knights Index Review video linked here - ua-cam.com/video/kIJmuvVpkbQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AuspexTactics
In the battle of giants, its the tiny dog biting at heels who is king
Oddly enough, the Brigand is also the best thing in the Death Guard army too.
Yes another DG player bringing a knight!! I've had such a better win rate using a knight!
They are so good and needed for the army, I ran 3 pbcs some death shrouds the Lord of Virluence, and some brigands. I am winning so much
The damage is to swingy for me, they either do 17 wounds or whiff, I find the Karnivore more consistent and gnarly to rapid ingress.
@rizzington1 I dunno man, death guard really doesn't need more melee, we have that in spades, what we need is anti-tank fire at range, which brigands offer, sure karnivores hit hard, but so do deathshroud
I know as factions go we are in an okay spot, but seeing our army rule feel like an afterthought while we are pressured on taking so many brigands doesn’t feel great.
I mean you can still take Stalkers, huntsmen, the melee dogs. Three of your big knights are still competitively costed. Rampager isnt bad just not top of the top in terms of cost.
I certainly can and I do. I like to have variety in my lists so 6 brigands isn't for me. And you're right, I really like the rampager for what it is. But addressing your points, when I take the other dogs, I feel like there just isn't a great point to it, from a competitive standpoint at least. Not everyone's preferred way of looking at it, I know, but I'm mostly against pretty strong armies, custodes, space marines (strong against knights at least) imperial knights etc... so that does matter to me. Karnivores cost more and the other dogs losing weapon skill and AP really hurts their consistency. And as for competitively costed big knights I'm not sure, I felt like they were competitively costed before, but, except for maybe the despoiler, I felt like the points increase was a lot more than they deserved.
The heart of what I'm not happy with is that I struggle to find a reason to take a different model or models that isn't just 'I like it more'. That's great, but I don't feel like I have to make any strategic give and take choices in list building. @@keyanklupacs6333
Yeah it really feels like 9th edition lite right now. That said though i feel like there's more freedom with the lists i make. I've managed to have fun games with entire big knight armies, used my tyrant almost every game and found uses for pretty much every knight in a lot of different lists. The buffs war dogs get from larger knights can make for some great combos. I'm definitely disappointed by the army rule (and battleshock in general) and the points changes but im still making the most of it. In fact the points cost in particular gave me the shits. We're paying because of Imperial Knights. The despoiler does not deserve to be that expensive. Nowhere near as powerful as people make it out to be.
Also, Karnivores slap. Nothing more satisfying than running up to a tank and just tearing it in half in one turn.
Are we though? We're barely holding onto our 45% winrate and for this past week it was 43%. We're on the weaker end, and got punished because of Imperial Knights being too good.
@@MrHoneuma I mean in casual games its fine, but in competitive games it's definitely a struggle
I like that Auspex felt the need to label the Chaos Lancer with the mark of chaos to designate it as Chaos when you can see the Eye of Horus popping out there anyway
And we were so close to not just having another War Dog meta like in 9th before they nerfed everything with Towering into oblivion. I swear it's like they make these Knights datacards without wanting anyone to actually field a single, ACTUAL knight.
yeah they've ruined chaos knights again, luckily I only really play with a single friend so if/when j wanna play a knight or play knights I'll just undo the points nerf and not use the stupid towering rule. I don't know a single person who enjoys towering. it literally just removes an aspect of the game.
Because towering is a legitimate problem yeah.
@@ryza7760 I do the same, i play with only a few friends and we just use the original points and dont implement Towering and we have a lot of fun playing knights (imperials or chaos), such an easy solution... no wonder GW will never implement it.
@@ryza7760 "ruined" is a strong word. They're going take a more indepth look in sepetember. If your points are still shit after that THEN I think you have a right to be angry. The towering nerf was just sort of a quick fix and three months of a meh list isnt that bad in the grand scheme of things.
@@keyanklupacs6333 they aren't gonna do anything to ck. wardog spam is keeping their win rate out of the bottom 10, which is enough to make sure they're overlooked. look, what happened in 9th, they didn't even touch ck again iirc. you really think this company has gotten less lazy?
so real about the random stubber being the only weapon to hit and deal damage
Unfortunately war dog spam is always going to pretty good, so that's keeping our win rate up and will leave us untouched. I would say our faction rules outside of the knights of shade stratagem are almost useless and besides taking a single desecrator or castigator you are actively hurting your list bringing any big knights.
The old problem Chaos Marines used to have with Cultists.
When it's very easy to vapourize the big tough expensive guys, why not spam the little effective guys instead?
Basically Knights will never be viable over Wardogs as long as knights cost 3x the points. Codex Wardog.
Working on my first Chaos Knight RN!!! Shame the Abommy mommy ain’t doing too good rn, but I’m glad I magnetized it!!!
We FINALLY had a good reason to use our big knights this edition despite not being nearly as good as imperial knights !...and then we were caught in the crossfire, and now we're back to spamming wardogs...
Maybe one day I'll be able to use 3 big knights competitively as a ck player...
When the chaos knights codex came out in 9th I bought the army box, painted them up as House Lucaris, had a load of fun playing them. Then I bought into daemons when their codex came out. Needless to say I'm in a pretty happy place with 2 strong armies that I can swap allies back and forth with depending on how I feel like playing. I like running a tyrant, desecrater, 4 brigands, and 2 karnivores. Give tyrant aoc and desecrater sticky objectives. My daemons right now is belkor, bloodthirster, lord of change, shalaxi, nurgle daemon prince, and 3 brigands. The 3 characters that can take enhancements do so. I'm having a ball lol. Would love to try an all war dog list though, just need 3 more boxes of wardogs (( wink wink ))
Is it just me or did the Imperial Knights steal our “Favor to the Dark Gods”? The one thing we had going for us and the imperials took it 😂
Always happy to see more Knight videos
Finally got Patreon set up as to get entered in the drawing. Would be so happy to get set up with some Chaos Knights!
One thing to ad to the improved AP not being that impactful for the Melta for the Brigand
AP -5 means that big targets without an invulnerable can't save anymore or only saves on 6 instead of 5 in cover. I'd say that's fairly big.
I just finished my paiting Abominant in Tzeentchy color scheme and since I started my Thousand Sons army I wanted to ally him there until I get more units.
It will deffinetly be a mistake but it should still be fun.
I’m a thousand sons player thinking about knights and sort of starting this way, although I’m using knights as an excuse to go wild and paint something unlike my usual fare
I play mostly Slaanesh Daemons, and I ally in a night as way to A) get guns, and B) distract distract distract while the daemons get close. Daemonettes even see combat sometimes when there's a knight on the board giving them coverfire!
@@timunderbakke8756 knight are such an awesome project.
I played Sigmar alot but randomly I wanted to to tackle one big project... and i chose a Chaos Knight ... as my very first 40 model.
then slowly got enough of them to have a functional army .
But they are such a joy to paint and kitbash
Abom just got buffed luckily! Doesn’t really matter to me though I just have one because I think they’re sick.
What does matter to me is world eaters got a huge nerf for no good reason…
How did it get buffed? Was there a data change ?
Brigands, Desecrator + Long Leash, and a Castigator or two. Bring the comedy as you reroll your 1s and sustain your hits. Truly, Brigand is Brigand Tier.
Ah sweet, I just started Chaos Knights! :D
I run 2 brigands in my khorne army alongside my khorne soulgrinder and 2 skullcannons. "Why yes, my Khorne army DOES know what the shooting phase is
Lancer, despoiler, stalker, 2 Brigand, 1 huntsman, 1 carnivore, and pink horrors plus a changeling
Brigan and Disicrator best friend
Cheeky use of Brigand’s “closest eligible target” is with Dread Hounds, because the brigand(s) _must_ target a specific unit, that makes it by definition the closest eligible target…
Hmm the hardest part is finding a target making the use of both weapon relevant 🤔
Dual wielding Gatling cannons are incredibly nieche i've found with the despoiler. Unless you're firing into squishy infantry they do bugger all. I guess against orks, nids, guard and GSC they might be useful. That said i had a squad of neophytes kill mine in one turn before it could fire thanks to GSC being crazy meta right now.
Actually took home a tournament with these guys last month.
List was
-Despoiler w/ thermal cannon, chainsword, ruinspear pod, panoply of the cursed
-Desecrator w/aura of terror
-Brigand x4
-Huntsman x2
-Executioner
Huntsmen were surprisingly effective, and using the despoiler as a distraction unit panned out very well.
Remember ya gitz, if they iz pointing the shootas at our stompa, they ain't gonna see us coming up and krumping them! We'z gots to be like Mork, cunnin' but brutal
Any videos on chaos daemons coming soon? There hasn't been any 10th edition coverage since the datasheet leaks
Yeah, they're the next Index review on the agenda!
@@auspextactics Might it be worth mentioning Knights as allies in Daemon lists? They fill all the holes in Daemon rosters very nicely. Especially since you can take 3 wardogs in a Daemon list.
I’m a fan of a big squad of Flamers, a Changling, then fill in the rest with Wardogs.
MY FAVORITE ARMY WOOOOOO BIG KNIGHT GO PEW PEW!!!
As someone who runs a 2000 point all war dog army these tiers check out
So war dogs are great, cool good to know. Now if we could actually BUY them from somewhere that would be better. Other than the ridiculous prices on ebay I havent been able to find them anywhere. Apparently they have been out of stock for a really long time.
Managed to go 4-0-1 at Leeds super major a few weeks ago with CK. Have say I think the tyrant is one of the best units in the army
Every big knight in tier 4 and all War Dogs in tier 1. All big knights are hilariously bad compared to the small knights.
Been waiting a min for this
I laughed at the name of the last tier, it's absolutely correct, but I blame that on internal balance and that we don't have enough choice out of the bigger knights
I am going to have to double check because I am seeing two different point lists for the Knights.
Run the Abominant in a Thousand Sons army and use Twist of Fate for big memes.
That is fun but what was even more fun was taking a despoiler with double rapid fire battlecannon and using twist of fate
Would love an update after the balance dataslate and the points changes.
I love big knights
It is time for Chaos Giant Robots!
As a World Eaters player, please please please do not nerf the Brigand 😢
Good news is the knight tyrant is allowed the -1AP now
When I'm deciding what kind of war dogs to add to my world eaters, my mans is out here doing his best to help. What a guy! Lol 👏👏👏
Same here man, lmao. War dogs provide amazing fire support with general chaos shooting feeling so anemic
@grayw00f now I just have to find a box that isn't over priced lol
@darthquado7516 ain't that the truth. People are trying to sell New in box war dog kits for $200+! I like my shooting, not that much 😂
@grayw00f yah I'll just spam what i can get my hands on...zerkers lol zerkers in rhinos for everyone!!!
@darthquado7516 everybody's talking shit until I walk up with 60 legionaries 😂
I feel like Karnivores should cost 150, and Brigand 160. Probably wouldn't change that much, but people would not just slap 6 Brigands (and maybe some Stalkers, super cheap AND are characters) as autoinclude
but u cant bring too many stalkers as that would make the enemy pick assasination and bring it down fixed missions
I play CK and watching an Abominant get torn down in melee because someone has Anti-Psyker 2+ is both hilarious and depressing
Very informative.
Such a lovely army it's my dream army def
Knight tyrant is just such a fun shooty unit though tbh
Shooty variant is superior due to lack of "NothingPersonal, Kid" Relic Valiant IK have.
@PeteOfDarkness nothing quite like a. Seeing an sm player oath a planopy tyrant and b. Hear that the damage is d6+8
Hi there! Is the Admech tierlist planned anytime soon?, these spiky robots are an ofense to the Omnisiah, would love to know how to beat them! Love the channel btw!
To everyone that says CK pays because IK were to good: The problem is the towering keyword, not the IK army. In fact every towering unit have seen a significant point increase.
Sure the IK rules are better, I'm not denying it, but the real problema were the point cost mixed up with the towering rule.
Thanks you for that, I wanted to play Chaos Knight but I'm not a really good player so thanks for help me to know what units is playable and what is not. I'm pretty sad for the Abominant that I really love, but I sweat it will be buff somedays. Oh, I forfait to Say that I'm french so my english is probably Bad, and my automatic corrector don't help me
Dunno why ud want to take stubbers when u can have 10+ havoc launchers that can wreak havoc on back objective holders or other soft stuff
LETS FUCKING GOOOo
Lies! 3 Rampagers, a Tyrant & a Karnivore.. rampage!!
It's with noting that I support your patrion because you put a lot of work into this and provide a great service to the community as a whole. With that being said I've never wanted to win a give away more than this!
What’s the point to the Rampager having two melee weapons if it can only use one
Look how they massacred my boy Abominant...
Is there any reason to use knights over tanks or vice versa? I want to get some big stuff for my csm
Knights are big and stompy, and also an opportunity to get a big centerpiece. Currently working on a house Perdaxia lancer for my alpha legion.
Def go with the knight, tyrant is a bully but its hard to go wrong with 2-3 brigands in any chaos army.
Wardogs are moving a minimum 12", T10, 12W, brigands and karnivores hit on 2s, can deliver a better tank shock than any tank, and have a 5+ invul at range. For between 135 - 160 pts.
I don't really get the hype around the brigands, sure they have 2+ attacks but they're also lacking in melee. I generally play against the Tau and I would much rather play a huntsman.
The problem is the Huntsman's melee is poor. Better to have the Brigand's gattling cannon instead. Especially as it has the 2+ BS. I only take a Huntsman when points run out for a Brigand.
Do you find the stalker being a character a positive or negative to its placing?
At the moment its probably a negative. Only one War Dog model can take an enhancement, and most enhancements are worthless on a single War Dog. Which means it can get hit by Anti-Character attacks for no real benefit.
Is it worth getting a knight or something to add to my black legion army?
Honestly, tier 2 feels to high for Executioners. They're pretty much worthless. They struggle to kill even Guardsmen since theyre only ap1 on the autocannons. You can get better units to screen out of demon allies. Moirax is overcosted, but Executioners are the only genuinely bad War Dog.
My current list is 3 brigands one desecrator one tyrant and one lancer
u cant be winning much with that setup?
@@lassemelson5668 haven't played it yet but thats the list
@@christophertidwell2422 u will have big problems doing secondaries... focus on the 3 small knights and u have no boardpresence
@lassemelson5668 I have three brigands with assault to get across the board and the th tyrant to get rid of at least one thing
The main issue of the CK is that thier main rules are crap. If they want to make a faction centered around battle shoock they should have some sort of stacking mechanic and have the BS tests be taken at the end of every movement phase. Right now the only thing that holds the faction together is the strength of their datasheets and with the big knights taking the blanket nerf war dog spam is the way competitively. I want to see some pts dropping, especially from the abominnt. He really needs to go back to about the 390 mark
I've been having fun using Knights as allies for exactly the reasons you said.
Army rule sucks? Dump it. Ally 3 Wardogs in to a Daemon or CSM list and let them rip face without even worrying about their garbage army rule. Just a big sheet wrecking stuff while your Daemons teleport in extremely close and regenerate wounds, or while your CSM load the right ammo for the job or whatever.
Brigands best unit is Death Guard and World Eaters
Pretty much all war dogs are good since the big nights got NERFED by imperial and Wayover priced now and not worth it
Just came here to vent that Brigand bs 2+ is oppressive as f@ck. Fix please. Melta never misses.😮
Our faction rules are F tier
I guess they sold out on abominants and thus gave them crap rules. Once they get them back in stock, I’m sure the points will improve
nah tbh the reason it sucks is because volkite is just worthless lmao. if it was a plasma blast gun then I'm sure it'd actually be okay. not good, because gw refuses to let big knights ever be better than wardogs
@@ryza7760 I was trying to make a joke, given the abominant is the new, shiny big knight, and it's been given rules that are apparently not good, so clearly they don't need to sell anymore. I don't play the game, i just like listening to auspex on my walks, he makes videos long enough that they just fade into white noise.
@justinrockholt7055 ooohhh hahaha, right, i forgot they did that
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I dont like that knights are part of regular 40k