Big Knights have been performing well now. Specifically lancer and rampager. Noah went 4-1 at Milwaukee, and I've been doing really well with Abominant
Picked up a chaos army set box for $125 from a LGS cause he thought it didn't have all the weapon options for the knight. I now have 3 fully magnetized abhorrent knight a Tyrant knight with 4 war dogs. All together $330. Cheapest army I have, but the most points on the board. Tyrant was a shock when I had to 3d print some A10 & A11 pieces ;)
How to start Chaos Knights. Try to find wardogs. Realise nowhere has them in stock. Get them 3D printed. Works out about £9 a wardog instead of £55 for 2. Or about £50 each for a big knight.
tip for chaosifying the imperial kits, you can hold back bits like the pauldrons and shin guards from the chaos kits and swap them with the same bits on the imperial kits. then you have all your models with bits from chaos and imperial and nothing looks out of place
One additional hint for starting the army: When you allready have any other chaos army you can use your first 3 wardogs or 1 big one as allies for your other chaos army. Allows you to play with your big toys before you have a full 1k pts ready. Assembling a full "sideboard" of 3 brigands, 3 karnivores and 1 big knight of your choice is a very motivating way to setup such an army. Most chaos armies really love having the big boy or dog swarm take over some duty that their main book is bad at. I personally love having either a few brigands or a fat tyrant with laser lance and plasma blaster to lend fire support to my world eaters. It really screws your opponents brain when suddenly there is a very real scenario where a world eaters army can OUTSHOOT him if he makes mistakes. Additionally it forces them to keep honest with transport vehicles. Without the knights there usually is diddly eff you can do against a cheap, cheeky rhino other than trade one of your more expensive units for it. A pair of brigands has a very real chance to just smoke it from 24" away with their melta spears without getting into too much trouble themselves. Or you commit and already have a unit ready to charge whats spilling out.
This was extremely helpful! I've been wanting to get back into the game for years now and the CK have been my primary focus as I have a very distinct vision in mind for my army that the knights fill perfectly. Thank you so much for this 💗
I got a Chaos Knights Box set from 2022 (Abominant+ 2x War Dogs), an Abhorrent kit, and 2 full Armiger kits (4 total) for $250. I wasn't even looking for Knights, but I guess they chose me lol.
They're currently my favorite army to play specifically due to the versatility of choice from having magnetized the War Dogs. While War Dogs+Daemon lists are the meta, there were a few recently that did well with a big knight added in. If you want all dogs, current best seems to be 1 Stalker, 5 Brigands, and 6 Karnivores with either 2 squads of Nurglings and a Sloppity Bilepiper, or just 3 squads of nurglings. When it comes to big Knights, you need to decide if you want more of a melee or more of a shooting focus. If melee, Rampagers are the way to go every time. If you want to focus on shooting, I'd recommend either a Knight Lancer or a Knight Castigator as the former gives assault and the latter gives sustained hits. Unfortunately, the Abominant is just not overly good and the desecrator and despoiler are too overcosted. The despoiler can output okay damage, but it's 455 points with poor abilities. Recommended lists here would be: Melee= Rampager, 1 stalker, 1 Huntsmen, 2 Brigands, 6 Karnivores, and 2x3 Nurglings. Shooting= Lancer/Castigator, 1 stalker, 5 Brigands, 3 Karnivores/Executioners, and 2x3 nurglings. At the moment, we rely on daemon allies for doing secondaries consistently without handicapping our other units, but you could theoretically play fixed and ditch them. If you really want to go overboard, it's possible to fit 14 War Dogs into a list following the last update. It wouldn't be good, but the look you'll get would be worth the effort.
question on the rampager, and karnivor, both have 2 melee weapons so when they get into melee do you have to chose between the two (I know with infantry you do but want sure given the whole super heavy walker thing) or use both ?
@@scottdevnull5778you select a single profile to attack with. However, if you are in engagement range with 2+ units you can divide said profile as you want. For example take sweep with Chainsword Rampager into 2 units in engagement range, you can separate the 18 attacks in 9/9 for example, if 1 unit has only 1 model and the rest is full, you can do like 2/16 and so on.
I still feel like War Dogs outperform even the "good" big knights in the end, i have been trying big knights and even after winning i trully feel they are not great and i could have done better with pure dogs, its a shame. Rampager is x2 Karnivores +100 extra points to put into more dogs or allies, i dont think he is quite worth that. I think part of the problem are the Army Rules/Detachment rules, they are just bad, i can ignore that with more models in the field, but once the number goes down by playing big ones i really start to feel the abscence of army rules since now your models are more expensive and they get nothing too, they are simply too situational and absolutely random if they activate or not, so you can never count on them, and CK's dont have good ways to force battleshock tests outside the once per turn test and you need to be close, and you need to have done damage, and you need to be turn 3 forward... it jsut sucks. 40K doesnt work that way, you shoot until thing dies, you dont want to leave them alive, so if they live it was a fluke to begin with, and then the the only good part is the +1 to wound, since -1 to be hit is super redundant since most units that might survive your attack would be bracketed (so -1 to hit already) or you are probably in engagement range so -1 to hit already again... -1BS and -1WS would be much better The only good part of the bad army rules is that when you play allies they are really not missing out anything... oh, and other than Nurglings, Beasts of Nurgle have been performing really well for me, dropping one on the backfield and marching it towards the opponents home objective is hilarious, they are so tanky that normally can survive and kill a small unit just sitting in the objective, they have to dedicate some firepower to take it down and lose time moving back, or just ignore it and lose the objective.
@@scottdevnull5778 You still have to choose one of the two. They've got different uses. On a Karnivore, you want to use the sweep profile on the Reaper Chaintalon for dealing with chaff units with 1 wound models. For everything else, you'd want to use the Slaughterclaw since it has higher strength, the same AP, and higher damage output. On a Rampager it's a similar situation, but with a bit more choices to make. Into infantry like marines, you'd want the sweep from the Reaper Chainsword; if the target is like terminators, you'd want the sweep on the Warpstrike Claw. Alternatively, the strike of the weapons serve for dealing with big units. The Claw should be used for though units that possess either a 3+ save or worse, or a invulnerable save, to get the most damage out of each wound that makes it through. The Reaper Chainsword you'll want to use for heavy units that do not possess an invulnerable save, to either push a 2+ to saving on 6s, or bypass it entirely, provided you have the strength and damage to kill the target. Occasionally you'll need to decide between the 2 for striking a target based on their toughness. Weighing if it's better to wound on 3s and give no save, or wound on 2s and they save on 6s
My personal favorite proxy is using Gunpla models as my Knights. The 2 basic scales match the small and large knights really well, and attaching them to some bases with temporary adhesive like blue tack or a pin with socket has worked great for me. They're a fun hobby all their own, and they are much cheaper than particularly large knights is your group enjoys a fun themed proxy army.
As someone who recently started this army, if you are in the US, find 3 wardog boxes. They are constantly out of stock compared to the others. Also, having 6 wardogs and some small unit like say nurglings (yeah IYKYK) you have a solid 1,000 point army where you can take the chaff unit, or add an enhancement to your stalker. After that work on gathering your big knights or, if you enjoy the playstyle, grab a few more wardogs.
I actually created my own chaos knight household taking inspiration from the beasts of chaos line from age of Sigmar. I use a lot of kits from that range for either daemon proxies (my house, uses beastman auxiliaries in lore) or to decorate their bases. I have even created some little extra models like different beastman troops to aid my nobles, or even a heretech sacresant out of the Warhammer plus sorceress that came out last year. I also have an alt account called “Knights of RedGor”, where I drop different bits of my war, and games that I have played with my household. Feel free to check it out! All of my notes are converted, and I am even painting my most recent Cerastus Knight, Tower of Silver, while listening to this video!
My next two 40k projects are to expand from my Iron warriors and their allies. Currently have one allied Knight Despoiler painted in Iron warriors colours. Will expand that into a 2k army. Bought a few conversion bits from Taro modelmaker to increase the size of a knight Tyrant. Then ill add in a rampager flanked with Carnivores. Also being expanding out into a 1k list of lost and the damned. Cultists. Traitor guard. Beastmen mutants etc. Cant wait.
for easier painting, do not glue the armour plates on until you've painted the sub structure. then paint the plates and glue from there. also wait until you put the armour on before gluing smoke stacks
With "every army gets at least one new model this edition" I wonder what (Chaos) Knights will get once it is their time. Something smaller? Something BIGGER? Whatever it is, with how small the range for Knights is, it will be quite an expansion for possible lists.
My armies are Space Marines, custom chapter of salamanders successors(name pending) colours are orange and white. Necrons for my Xenos. Nothing super special. My chaos list was going to be Khorne, but after buying the combat patrol I decided to go with Chaos Knights. So far I have an abom and 4 wardogs but holy hell have I had a hard time getting wardogs. Thinking my next army after will be a psychic army, so either tsons or grey knights, leaning toward GK.
Even Tsons don’t feel psychic anymore. It’s just remembering you can trigger a psychic ability across every phase, but they feel more like every other ability now instead of dedicated abilities within the psychic phase.
I got a Chaos Knights army. The big ones might be less optimal but I still run 2, next to a bunch of war dogs. Imho GW should make it mandatory to run at least one big boy :P
Do keep in mind that individual knight kits can be fairly expensive (particularly in Canada and I'd guess for the Aussies), but the overall is less. This could be relevant to those on a tight budget that could only afford a box of space marines every month or two. If you are in that budget situation you may want to consider another faction or keep it as a slow burn project.
Sad thing is that even then wardogs and armigers are extremely cheap for gw Standards. You get two whole tanks for 60€ Some armies like space Marines Pay the Same for one. Or even worse Like admech playing the Same for one but its only 45points
I have a bunch of Dogs for my DG army, I really want a Despoiler or two but apparently I have to buy a Questoris. I'll finish the list with Horticulus Slimux and some nurglings to keep the Nurgle theme going.
Ork Knights (or looted knight) Just swap the knightly head to a big 3D printed ork face, speed stripe paint job, rear spoiler, ork guns pointing to every direction without any meaning, a circular saw blade as a melee weapon, and some grots on shoulders etc to repair it. Similarly, a looted sisters of battle exorcist would be cool... just glue more ork dakka to the pipe organs... pointing up even if they're just normal guns... and add some style as above.
Jesus Christ auspex has transcended to a higher plane. I went to bed last night thinking about maybe buying chaos knights, I wake up and he’s posted a video telling me how to do it.
Correct, get war dogs and some Nurglings + Beasts of Nurgle too, deepstriking one of those on the backfield is really anoying since it keeps regenerating, so if they want to get rid of it they have to backtrack and dedicate some firepower to it, and its also normally strong enough to destroy small units that just exist to hold objectives.
Oh noooo, my guy... You were serious? Im sorry I thought you meme'd, because literally every competitive Chaos knight list for the Last 3 years and especially in 10th now were all only wardogs. 😅 Big Knights just arent very good in comparrison, so every one is just playing wardogs every single time, unless they Play big Guys Just for fun. So practically all "interesting" lists people find are therefore obviously War Dog only lists.😅
Just finished the part of the Horus Heresy where House Devine turned traitor and their Knights destroyed the Imperator Paragon of Terra at the battle of Moloch and caused the Imperium to lose the battle. The perceptions of infantry and vehicles getting attacked by titans really shows how terrifying they are. Even Abaddon was like "I really hope that thing doesn't kill us all by accident."
As ive been trying to figure out which factions i like the chaos knights are one that has peaked my interest. Even if i dont play the full faction ive thought of getting some war dogs to ally in to have some anti-vehicle in my Death Guard
@@Darkja yeah, unless you do multiple stalkers, which you should not run more than 2, you'll be leaving a lot of points unused that could go towards some more nurglings or a Sloppity Bilepiper.
@@DarkjaNurgling boxes give a lot of value if you split the swarms up a bit. I got 18 Nurgling bases out of two boxes for my Daemon army. One box is enough for CK.
@@tamarjaegerI mean, sure, you can use different levels of the Nurglings towers to make more!, so you can split x3 nurglings into x9 (x3 units of x3) i just really like a full tower of nurglings!
Before I even start, I had picked up a few pins from the local GW store and Chaos Knights was the first one I pulled. Curious how this video will pan out and how much ouch my wallet will feel as I do want to start a Knights army
Just a heads-up that Fenris got a shipment of War Dogs on Wednesday and I only bought one box so there's still a few in stock at time of posting this comment for us Cannucks :)
How to start Chaos Knights: 1. Buy Nurglings 2. Buy Wardogs 3. Ignore big bois I'm jk but only 69% serious. I really like how the Rampager is useable on the tabletop now but the other big bois need to be brought up to par, and I don't believe points cuts are the right answer.
I am Setting up my first army as a Chaos Knight Army and it will look like: Chaos Cerastus Knight Castigator (Warlord) Knight Abominant Knight Rampager Wardog Karnivore (1x) Wardog Brigand (2x One will have magnets to switch between classes) Wardog Stalker (1x)
@@eo8240 you can take him in csm without him being your warlord and without battleline, the app is likely glitched on this one. Just not really a good recommendation to take him with chaos knights
When talking about magnetizing models in Warhammer, does it mean that if you have one weapon set glued on you cannot play in tournaments saying you are using another option of the datasheet?
Depends if the tournament enforces a what you see is what you get rule. Not all of them do, I only play small local events and never had someone bring it up.
I think especially for tournaments its essential that you actually have the right guns on the models. Dont know if there's a rule but i gues everything has to be wysywig. For casual games it doesn't matter as long as your opponent knows what guns they have
@@Dovakhin94 we have tournaments with generally 6- 8 players here in our club and we allow prints and proxies (within reason) and rarely get any 'feel bad' moments from mistaking the load outs, our lists are on the table and we tell eachother what each of our units do at the start of the game. We often give eachother friendly reminders if they are walking into a 'gotcha' moment too. But yeah, if I'm playing a big tournament where I'm under strict time pressure, I would prefer WYSIWYG.
I wanted to start an army combining Deathwatch and Blood Angels combat patrols, how should i move from that? Is it a good idea? Also i wanted to take a gravis captain for the aggressors
There is a small part of me that would appreciate a ‘smaller than Scout’ scout-bot. Something that replaces the need to soup in daemons, but not quite the baby carrier. The grey knights can keep that one.
If I were to buy chaos knights I’d buy two and put them in my Death guard and World Eater army. The Knight Tyrant for the Death Guard and the Rampager for the World Eaters.
@@eo8240 That is EXACTLY the situation I've been using him in and it's been great. It's definitely dependant on battleshock, but it actually utilized our army rule for some powerful effects
The one wardog that doesn't make sense to me is the dual melee one. Why does it have a sword and a claw? I don't see a rule letting it use both and unless you're sweeping with the sword the claw is superior in every single way. That one wardog seems like a massive waste of points.
Try his War Game portal affiliate link, they can back order it for you for $77, some friends got some units through them and my scout kill team is coming next week
So if the knight box doesn't build despoiler builds... forgive me for asking - then what the hell is the despoiler build? This falls pretty squarely in to the realm of "We don't make that model so we don't make those rules" I feel. Like what, I have to buy a whole-ass imperial knight from a different faction to get the guns I want to field the unit that is in my index? Like, could you imagine "lol I know you want the new krootox but it's gun that makes it legal is actually in an Ork kit." GW has selective-ass memory when it comes to it's own bullsh+t.
Not only do you have to buy the questoris kit for the despoiler, but you also have to buy a 2nd battlecannon off ebay or get one printed if you want to double up on the guns like the despoiler allows you to. I did it but the 2nd gun cost me 20 bucks off ebay.
@@FallynBarratt Yeah. I have a 3d printer. It's just insane to me that they're like "Don't ever use ANYTHING that doesn't come in the god damned box for anything else!!!! If it doesn't come in the box it's ILLEGAL" and then also this nonsense. Like, I own a 3d printer. Even if I try to follow their rules, they seem to be advising me to 3D print the parts that they don't include, despite that making my army illegal. I mean really the answer is obvious. 3D print literally everything.
I feel as though I should turn myself in to the authorities...in the last 24 hours I have found a box of nurglings, and 2 boxes of wardogs...in America...this feels like a criminal amount of good luck
Step 1: buy as many wardogs as you can Step 2: realize they’re never in stock because GW inventory is a joke. Step 3: buy an abominat because it looks cool Step 4: realize it sucks Step 5: regret wanting to play chaos knights
Any player that stupid deserves to get ripped off by selling their knights for cheap. Rules are temporary, plastic is forever, if you get into an army because "omg strong" then you deserve to get nerfed into 40% winrate so everyone else can laugh at you
Get x6 War Dog boxes, then some Nurglings and a couple of Beasts of Nurgle, there. Until big knights get a buff either points (or skills for the Abominant) or Army rules improvements, there is no reason to run big knights in a competitive list. Now, if you want awesome models, get a Desecrator/Rampager/Abominant, they look amazing, they are just not good on the game. Army Rules (Traitoris Lance) is trash, its one of the worst army rules in the game, its random and only happens once per battle round, and you have to wait until battle round 3 to even have a real impact... and still it wont most of the time since its random. The -1 to hit its pointless, most of the times you will be in engagement range, or the battleshocked unit would be bracketed, which means the -1 tho be hit is most of the times useless. Play the game without relying on anything but your datasheets/stratagems because most of the times your Army/Detachment rules mean squat. Abominant is comically overpriced, i wouldnt pay even 300 pts for one with how bad it is, id rather take 2 war dogs 100% of the time. The others still need points drops but most of the time they cost about 2 and a half + war dogs, and 95% of the time when i play with a big one i think to myself "i would be doing so much better if my big knight where 2 or 3 dogs + allies"... its really sad.
@@redrumssam5888more power to you, every single time i have played him he has been nothing but disappointment and i have always thought while playing or after how much better i could be doing with literally anything other than him on the board. I absolutely LOVED Abominant in 9th and was the only big knight i would run, but he ws way more durable with actually good skills like Winds of the Warp and the favors of the dark gods upgrades. Now?, he is a waaaaay more expensive Neurolictor, less survivable as well funny enough, Neurolictor is so much harder to kill than a big knight. A single battleshock test out of phase amounts to nothing most of the times and for 400 points?, no thanks. Neurolictor actually gives you the entire CK army rule... but from turn 1 on top of that. Sure, Abominant hits harder than Neurolictor, but he is 5 times the points and still its nothing in comparison with its peers.
@@Darkja What makes abominant so great and what it's pointed is for the context of the army rule and strategems. When he does mortal wounds, if he kills a 1 model or does 1 mortal wound that's a battleshock test on their battleshock phase that not only comes with the usual debuffs of battleshock, but also combos your strategems. I've used pteroshades to heal an abominant 11 wounds between two phases, and I've used it to heal a wardog who was bracketted and needed to kill an important target. I've used 2 abominants, increasing the likelihood of at least one target getting battleshocked, and getting the FNP in combat. It's been a star for me whenever I've used it, and others who I know used it say the same.
@@redrumssam5888way too many "IF" parts to his skills to make him usable for me... i dont think its worth it, not for 1/5th of my army, when on top of that its a unit thats inferior in both shooting and fighting to other options. Maybe its themeta you are in, but in mine having an Abominant at 9" of anything to make use of its skills means that Abominant is dead next turn... and thats IF it even makes it that close beyond all the chaff that can get in the way and prevent even that. Sisters get a +1 to hit and might get a +1 to wound, IF they are battleshocked from turn 3 forward then at best you put them at 3+ again... and risk putting them at +1 to wound anyways. Votann just brutalizes you even more if you have fewer models. Any Space Marines with Oath will love having a focal unit to destroy easily. I dont know about you, but i have faced quite a few Ironstorm Spearheads that just love to face knights, specially big ones! Tyranids dont care about battleshock at all because 90% of the time they roll 3d6, and in fact can battleshock you waaaaaay easier with x2-3 Neurolictors, x1 Deathleaper, Shadow + Neurotyrant or Screamer-Killers, they have way many more tests that you do and costs way less too in points. Focusing bs tests on a single big knight and then bringing it down after is super easy (i know since i also play Nids) Chaos Daemons dont care about battleshock either, they pass and HEAL from battleshock tests more often than they fail, in fact giving them battleshock tests at below starting strenght just make them heal full 60% of the time! World Eaters... oh this guys, MoE and Kharn are still monsters, and all big knights are characters for MoE, i guess you know what wil happen to them if any Knight gets charged, they all dies on the spot, again, id rather have more firepower and more models because if they do get charged i lose way less points overall with dogs. Nurglings are great screens but at some point they will get a charge Sorry, but my meta is incredibly bad for relying on big knights for anything but wasting points, SPECIALLY Abominant, at least if they focus down a single unit if its a dog i lose 140-170 points, not 400+., and splitting damage to trigger bs tests is absolutely not worth it.
@@nathanielhurley3960 hehe im ok with that if its what ure going for. Problem is facing fast armies and really melee capable ones... id imagine orks would pose a problem
@@lassemelson5668 consider that you have the potential to do 18 mortal wounds with tank shock and each of the rampagers should be killing a unit a round. IF the charges are set up properly you should be killing 4 units a round, no matter how strong, given the weapon profiles. But this is list that lives or dies in the charge phase.
If you're not printing your knights army you're doing yourself a serious dis-service. 1) Models are FANTASTIC, better than anything GW has EVER released. No contest at all here, especially when it comes to customizing for a specific god. Want a Nurgle wardog? There's options. Tzeentch? yup there's one of those too. 2) STLs are CHEAP. A whole knight may be FREE in parts or at most around $15-30 USD. That's nothing compared to GWs cost. Like it's literally cheaper than a basic kit of some random character let alone a knight. You also own that file forever. So the one file could make 12 Tyrants and an Abominant for less than a chaplain on bike. 3) Wardogs are sold out, eternally, perpetually, and probably forever more. I can't even buy from scalpers, cause there's none to find. Meanwhile the files are Free and I can print one for about $2 of resin. Really the cost of a Great 3d printer is less than a knight by itself. Honestly it's a complete victory for resin printing in this category. There's no need to buy GW here for anything except paints, and only if you like those.
I just don't think Knights should be their own standalone army. These models are good, the lore is interesting but completely underdeveloped, and the range lacking and probably limited in it's potential scope. They need to be available to other arnies to use as allies or just part of their codex.
As informative as this channel is, and as many videos I watch, I can not stand his voice. He reminds me of that old clear eyes commercial. Observe. Dry eyes.
I don't CARE how good Wardog spam is! I WILL USE THE BIG KNIGHT!
Big Knights have been performing well now. Specifically lancer and rampager. Noah went 4-1 at Milwaukee, and I've been doing really well with Abominant
Please do. I want GW to actually realize they exist and make them a little more durable haha
That's what got me into the Chaos Knights too; dropping 4 models on the table in a 2000pt game lmao
Why have a Chaos Knight army without a Big Knight?
I bought 1200 points worth of abhorrent class knights, and I’m gonna use every point of that damnit!
Picked up a chaos army set box for $125 from a LGS cause he thought it didn't have all the weapon options for the knight. I now have 3 fully magnetized abhorrent knight a Tyrant knight with 4 war dogs. All together $330. Cheapest army I have, but the most points on the board. Tyrant was a shock when I had to 3d print some A10 & A11 pieces ;)
The last time I was this early to a video, combat patrol boxes only cost $80.
😭😭😭😭 getting out-priced of playing multiple armies. Especially with the new mini policy of adding 1-2 units minimum with every codex.
£95 in the UK still waiting for it to change
Next batch of combat patrols will cost 80$ and will contain 9 units
@@stylesheetra9411I mean that’s basically the space marine one already
@@rellikskuppin74173D printing is the way they want you to play. Real models are priced as luxury items
How to start Chaos Knights.
Try to find wardogs.
Realise nowhere has them in stock.
Get them 3D printed.
Works out about £9 a wardog instead of £55 for 2.
Or about £50 each for a big knight.
I 3d printed an entire wardog army. cost me 20 bucks.
Where are you getting them printed that cheap or is that purely the resin cost?
@@adventurekobold Etsy found a great printer who also understands Warhammer modelling and who gives discounts for the more you purchase
@@adventurekoboldEtsy has a bunch of sellers
tip for chaosifying the imperial kits, you can hold back bits like the pauldrons and shin guards from the chaos kits and swap them with the same bits on the imperial kits. then you have all your models with bits from chaos and imperial and nothing looks out of place
One additional hint for starting the army:
When you allready have any other chaos army you can use your first 3 wardogs or 1 big one as allies for your other chaos army.
Allows you to play with your big toys before you have a full 1k pts ready.
Assembling a full "sideboard" of 3 brigands, 3 karnivores and 1 big knight of your choice is a very motivating way to setup such an army.
Most chaos armies really love having the big boy or dog swarm take over some duty that their main book is bad at.
I personally love having either a few brigands or a fat tyrant with laser lance and plasma blaster to lend fire support to my world eaters. It really screws your opponents brain when suddenly there is a very real scenario where a world eaters army can OUTSHOOT him if he makes mistakes. Additionally it forces them to keep honest with transport vehicles. Without the knights there usually is diddly eff you can do against a cheap, cheeky rhino other than trade one of your more expensive units for it. A pair of brigands has a very real chance to just smoke it from 24" away with their melta spears without getting into too much trouble themselves. Or you commit and already have a unit ready to charge whats spilling out.
This was extremely helpful! I've been wanting to get back into the game for years now and the CK have been my primary focus as I have a very distinct vision in mind for my army that the knights fill perfectly. Thank you so much for this 💗
I got a Chaos Knights Box set from 2022 (Abominant+ 2x War Dogs), an Abhorrent kit, and 2 full Armiger kits (4 total) for $250. I wasn't even looking for Knights, but I guess they chose me lol.
Well isn’t this perfect timing! I just ordered my first box of wardogs yesterday!
This is timely. Playing my first game with Chaos Knights tonight!
They're currently my favorite army to play specifically due to the versatility of choice from having magnetized the War Dogs.
While War Dogs+Daemon lists are the meta, there were a few recently that did well with a big knight added in.
If you want all dogs, current best seems to be 1 Stalker, 5 Brigands, and 6 Karnivores with either 2 squads of Nurglings and a Sloppity Bilepiper, or just 3 squads of nurglings.
When it comes to big Knights, you need to decide if you want more of a melee or more of a shooting focus. If melee, Rampagers are the way to go every time. If you want to focus on shooting, I'd recommend either a Knight Lancer or a Knight Castigator as the former gives assault and the latter gives sustained hits. Unfortunately, the Abominant is just not overly good and the desecrator and despoiler are too overcosted. The despoiler can output okay damage, but it's 455 points with poor abilities.
Recommended lists here would be:
Melee= Rampager, 1 stalker, 1 Huntsmen, 2 Brigands, 6 Karnivores, and 2x3 Nurglings.
Shooting= Lancer/Castigator, 1 stalker, 5 Brigands, 3 Karnivores/Executioners, and 2x3 nurglings.
At the moment, we rely on daemon allies for doing secondaries consistently without handicapping our other units, but you could theoretically play fixed and ditch them.
If you really want to go overboard, it's possible to fit 14 War Dogs into a list following the last update. It wouldn't be good, but the look you'll get would be worth the effort.
question on the rampager, and karnivor, both have 2 melee weapons so when they get into melee do you have to chose between the two (I know with infantry you do but want sure given the whole super heavy walker thing) or use both ?
@@scottdevnull5778you select a single profile to attack with. However, if you are in engagement range with 2+ units you can divide said profile as you want. For example take sweep with Chainsword Rampager into 2 units in engagement range, you can separate the 18 attacks in 9/9 for example, if 1 unit has only 1 model and the rest is full, you can do like 2/16 and so on.
I still feel like War Dogs outperform even the "good" big knights in the end, i have been trying big knights and even after winning i trully feel they are not great and i could have done better with pure dogs, its a shame. Rampager is x2 Karnivores +100 extra points to put into more dogs or allies, i dont think he is quite worth that.
I think part of the problem are the Army Rules/Detachment rules, they are just bad, i can ignore that with more models in the field, but once the number goes down by playing big ones i really start to feel the abscence of army rules since now your models are more expensive and they get nothing too, they are simply too situational and absolutely random if they activate or not, so you can never count on them, and CK's dont have good ways to force battleshock tests outside the once per turn test and you need to be close, and you need to have done damage, and you need to be turn 3 forward... it jsut sucks. 40K doesnt work that way, you shoot until thing dies, you dont want to leave them alive, so if they live it was a fluke to begin with, and then the the only good part is the +1 to wound, since -1 to be hit is super redundant since most units that might survive your attack would be bracketed (so -1 to hit already) or you are probably in engagement range so -1 to hit already again... -1BS and -1WS would be much better
The only good part of the bad army rules is that when you play allies they are really not missing out anything... oh, and other than Nurglings, Beasts of Nurgle have been performing really well for me, dropping one on the backfield and marching it towards the opponents home objective is hilarious, they are so tanky that normally can survive and kill a small unit just sitting in the objective, they have to dedicate some firepower to take it down and lose time moving back, or just ignore it and lose the objective.
@@scottdevnull5778 You still have to choose one of the two. They've got different uses. On a Karnivore, you want to use the sweep profile on the Reaper Chaintalon for dealing with chaff units with 1 wound models. For everything else, you'd want to use the Slaughterclaw since it has higher strength, the same AP, and higher damage output.
On a Rampager it's a similar situation, but with a bit more choices to make. Into infantry like marines, you'd want the sweep from the Reaper Chainsword; if the target is like terminators, you'd want the sweep on the Warpstrike Claw. Alternatively, the strike of the weapons serve for dealing with big units. The Claw should be used for though units that possess either a 3+ save or worse, or a invulnerable save, to get the most damage out of each wound that makes it through. The Reaper Chainsword you'll want to use for heavy units that do not possess an invulnerable save, to either push a 2+ to saving on 6s, or bypass it entirely, provided you have the strength and damage to kill the target. Occasionally you'll need to decide between the 2 for striking a target based on their toughness. Weighing if it's better to wound on 3s and give no save, or wound on 2s and they save on 6s
@@MrHoneuma thank you for the details
My personal favorite proxy is using Gunpla models as my Knights. The 2 basic scales match the small and large knights really well, and attaching them to some bases with temporary adhesive like blue tack or a pin with socket has worked great for me. They're a fun hobby all their own, and they are much cheaper than particularly large knights is your group enjoys a fun themed proxy army.
As someone who recently started this army, if you are in the US, find 3 wardog boxes. They are constantly out of stock compared to the others. Also, having 6 wardogs and some small unit like say nurglings (yeah IYKYK) you have a solid 1,000 point army where you can take the chaff unit, or add an enhancement to your stalker. After that work on gathering your big knights or, if you enjoy the playstyle, grab a few more wardogs.
The real reason I started C. Knights wasmy love of rules that debuff foes, and going "ooga booga" in particular
I actually created my own chaos knight household taking inspiration from the beasts of chaos line from age of Sigmar. I use a lot of kits from that range for either daemon proxies (my house, uses beastman auxiliaries in lore) or to decorate their bases. I have even created some little extra models like different beastman troops to aid my nobles, or even a heretech sacresant out of the Warhammer plus sorceress that came out last year. I also have an alt account called “Knights of RedGor”, where I drop different bits of my war, and games that I have played with my household. Feel free to check it out! All of my notes are converted, and I am even painting my most recent Cerastus Knight, Tower of Silver, while listening to this video!
My next two 40k projects are to expand from my Iron warriors and their allies.
Currently have one allied Knight Despoiler painted in Iron warriors colours. Will expand that into a 2k army. Bought a few conversion bits from Taro modelmaker to increase the size of a knight Tyrant. Then ill add in a rampager flanked with Carnivores.
Also being expanding out into a 1k list of lost and the damned. Cultists. Traitor guard. Beastmen mutants etc. Cant wait.
for easier painting, do not glue the armour plates on until you've painted the sub structure. then paint the plates and glue from there. also wait until you put the armour on before gluing smoke stacks
With "every army gets at least one new model this edition" I wonder what (Chaos) Knights will get once it is their time. Something smaller? Something BIGGER? Whatever it is, with how small the range for Knights is, it will be quite an expansion for possible lists.
Funny thing is, I bought one box of Wardogs this past Monday.
fancied two yesterday, got them delivered today.. *laughs in UK*
My armies are Space Marines, custom chapter of salamanders successors(name pending) colours are orange and white. Necrons for my Xenos. Nothing super special. My chaos list was going to be Khorne, but after buying the combat patrol I decided to go with Chaos Knights. So far I have an abom and 4 wardogs but holy hell have I had a hard time getting wardogs. Thinking my next army after will be a psychic army, so either tsons or grey knights, leaning toward GK.
GK doesn't feel that psychic right now, is the only thing. But 10th is temporary, plastic is forever.
Even Tsons don’t feel psychic anymore. It’s just remembering you can trigger a psychic ability across every phase, but they feel more like every other ability now instead of dedicated abilities within the psychic phase.
Perfect timing for me
I got a Chaos Knights army. The big ones might be less optimal but I still run 2, next to a bunch of war dogs.
Imho GW should make it mandatory to run at least one big boy :P
Do keep in mind that individual knight kits can be fairly expensive (particularly in Canada and I'd guess for the Aussies), but the overall is less. This could be relevant to those on a tight budget that could only afford a box of space marines every month or two. If you are in that budget situation you may want to consider another faction or keep it as a slow burn project.
Sad thing is that even then wardogs and armigers are extremely cheap for gw Standards. You get two whole tanks for 60€
Some armies like space Marines Pay the Same for one. Or even worse Like admech playing the Same for one but its only 45points
I have a bunch of Dogs for my DG army, I really want a Despoiler or two but apparently I have to buy a Questoris. I'll finish the list with Horticulus Slimux and some nurglings to keep the Nurgle theme going.
Ork Knights (or looted knight)
Just swap the knightly head to a big 3D printed ork face, speed stripe paint job, rear spoiler, ork guns pointing to every direction without any meaning, a circular saw blade as a melee weapon, and some grots on shoulders etc to repair it.
Similarly, a looted sisters of battle exorcist would be cool... just glue more ork dakka to the pipe organs... pointing up even if they're just normal guns... and add some style as above.
Very timely as this is the army intend to collect next. I don’t care if it’s bad I only want 2x war dog kits and then work on the big guys
Really informative video!
Jesus Christ auspex has transcended to a higher plane. I went to bed last night thinking about maybe buying chaos knights, I wake up and he’s posted a video telling me how to do it.
I'm guessing here, but buy like 10 of the war dogs? Since the big guys still ain't good enough?
Correct, get war dogs and some Nurglings + Beasts of Nurgle too, deepstriking one of those on the backfield is really anoying since it keeps regenerating, so if they want to get rid of it they have to backtrack and dedicate some firepower to it, and its also normally strong enough to destroy small units that just exist to hold objectives.
That's not the Meta anymore.
I recently found an interesting War Dog only army list I plan to build
I See what you did there
@@leSmokySmoke I don't see it so maybe you point it out to me?
Oh noooo, my guy... You were serious?
Im sorry I thought you meme'd, because literally every competitive Chaos knight list for the Last 3 years and especially in 10th now were all only wardogs. 😅
Big Knights just arent very good in comparrison, so every one is just playing wardogs every single time, unless they Play big Guys Just for fun. So practically all "interesting" lists people find are therefore obviously War Dog only lists.😅
Minor correction, the abominant kit is $185 on GWs website not $170
Well this is uncanny I was thinking one day I should start a Chaos Knights army, and then this.... what a coincidence Auspex made this video
Just finished the part of the Horus Heresy where House Devine turned traitor and their Knights destroyed the Imperator Paragon of Terra at the battle of Moloch and caused the Imperium to lose the battle.
The perceptions of infantry and vehicles getting attacked by titans really shows how terrifying they are. Even Abaddon was like "I really hope that thing doesn't kill us all by accident."
As ive been trying to figure out which factions i like the chaos knights are one that has peaked my interest. Even if i dont play the full faction ive thought of getting some war dogs to ally in to have some anti-vehicle in my Death Guard
Myphitic blight haulers, my man… and you can *still* ally a big knight too
How to Start Chaos Knights: 6 boxes of War Dogs. 1 Box of Nurglings. Your army is now complete.
Come on, thats not fair!... you need x2 or x3 boxes of Nurglings!
@@Darkja yeah, unless you do multiple stalkers, which you should not run more than 2, you'll be leaving a lot of points unused that could go towards some more nurglings or a Sloppity Bilepiper.
@@DarkjaNurgling boxes give a lot of value if you split the swarms up a bit. I got 18 Nurgling bases out of two boxes for my Daemon army. One box is enough for CK.
@@tamarjaegerI mean, sure, you can use different levels of the Nurglings towers to make more!, so you can split x3 nurglings into x9 (x3 units of x3) i just really like a full tower of nurglings!
BUY SIX BOXES OF WARDOGS
Then 2 boxes of nurglings lol. Then feast on the opponent's tears
@@Ravnican127and a Beast of Nurgle!
Before I even start, I had picked up a few pins from the local GW store and Chaos Knights was the first one I pulled. Curious how this video will pan out and how much ouch my wallet will feel as I do want to start a Knights army
Wardog spam used to bother me, but now I imagine them as these kinda roving biker gangs and it's made them more flavorful and scary in my mind.
Just a heads-up that Fenris got a shipment of War Dogs on Wednesday and I only bought one box so there's still a few in stock at time of posting this comment for us Cannucks :)
I like the fact the knight it the magnets section has the same colour scheme as the ICP face paint. Coincidence? I think not 😂
How to start Chaos Knights:
1. Buy Nurglings
2. Buy Wardogs
3. Ignore big bois
I'm jk but only 69% serious. I really like how the Rampager is useable on the tabletop now but the other big bois need to be brought up to par, and I don't believe points cuts are the right answer.
I am Setting up my first army as a Chaos Knight Army and it will look like:
Chaos Cerastus Knight Castigator (Warlord)
Knight Abominant
Knight Rampager
Wardog Karnivore (1x)
Wardog Brigand (2x One will have magnets to switch between classes)
Wardog Stalker (1x)
Buy 4 boxes of big knights, because you won't find war dogs.
Is Be’lakor able to ally in with knights? The GW app seems to indicate yes but then errors when you add him.
You can't because he needs to be your warlord if he's in your army and because he's an ally in Chaos Knights you can't pick him as warlord
@@eo8240 you can take him in csm without him being your warlord and without battleline, the app is likely glitched on this one. Just not really a good recommendation to take him with chaos knights
i want them to make like some repairers with like 2hp and 1 gun and every turn they can possibly heal those titans
When talking about magnetizing models in Warhammer, does it mean that if you have one weapon set glued on you cannot play in tournaments saying you are using another option of the datasheet?
Depends if the tournament enforces a what you see is what you get rule. Not all of them do, I only play small local events and never had someone bring it up.
I think especially for tournaments its essential that you actually have the right guns on the models. Dont know if there's a rule but i gues everything has to be wysywig. For casual games it doesn't matter as long as your opponent knows what guns they have
@@Dovakhin94 we have tournaments with generally 6- 8 players here in our club and we allow prints and proxies (within reason) and rarely get any 'feel bad' moments from mistaking the load outs, our lists are on the table and we tell eachother what each of our units do at the start of the game. We often give eachother friendly reminders if they are walking into a 'gotcha' moment too.
But yeah, if I'm playing a big tournament where I'm under strict time pressure, I would prefer WYSIWYG.
if u want to get into using magnets for ur knights its actually very easy to do
I wanted to start an army combining Deathwatch and Blood Angels combat patrols, how should i move from that? Is it a good idea? Also i wanted to take a gravis captain for the aggressors
Hoping the imperial version get one or two more armiger class options too
Hehe And i hope that both factions get some groundtroops like servitors or other support
I'd like to see certain limited infantry units added to the roster in lieu of allies.
There is a small part of me that would appreciate a ‘smaller than Scout’ scout-bot. Something that replaces the need to soup in daemons, but not quite the baby carrier. The grey knights can keep that one.
If I were to buy chaos knights I’d buy two and put them in my Death guard and World Eater army. The Knight Tyrant for the Death Guard and the Rampager for the World Eaters.
Pray it is ever in stock?
Step 1. Get an imperial knights army
Step 2. Get some spike
Step 3. Put the spikes on your knight
And now you have chaos knights
ABOMINANT IS GOOD! I'VE USED IT, I'VE HAD PEOPLE USE IT, ITS BEEN USED IN TORNAMENTS ABOMINANT IS GOOD!
(or at least viable)
Get him in the middle of a lot of units and its like a bomb going off. Had a lot of success with it recently
he is mindnumbingly bad...
@@eo8240 That is EXACTLY the situation I've been using him in and it's been great. It's definitely dependant on battleshock, but it actually utilized our army rule for some powerful effects
@@lassemelson5668have you used him?
Just got a war dog for my traitor guard army. Because of Scorch part 1. Happy Heretic Noises !
The one wardog that doesn't make sense to me is the dual melee one.
Why does it have a sword and a claw? I don't see a rule letting it use both and unless you're sweeping with the sword the claw is superior in every single way.
That one wardog seems like a massive waste of points.
Can you combine a few big knights with abaddon and chaos marines in an army?
It would be nice to finish my Chaos Knights army, IF I COULD FIND A BOX OF WARDOGS THAT DON'T COST $100
Just got 3 boxes for $80 ea on amazon a couple weeks ago
Try his War Game portal affiliate link, they can back order it for you for $77, some friends got some units through them and my scout kill team is coming next week
Just picked up a box on Amazon today for 80
Buy 6 wardog boxes, buy one armiger box, buy two nurgling boxes from aos.
Buy magnets.
Done
400 bucks well spent
So if the knight box doesn't build despoiler builds... forgive me for asking - then what the hell is the despoiler build? This falls pretty squarely in to the realm of "We don't make that model so we don't make those rules" I feel.
Like what, I have to buy a whole-ass imperial knight from a different faction to get the guns I want to field the unit that is in my index? Like, could you imagine "lol I know you want the new krootox but it's gun that makes it legal is actually in an Ork kit."
GW has selective-ass memory when it comes to it's own bullsh+t.
Not only do you have to buy the questoris kit for the despoiler, but you also have to buy a 2nd battlecannon off ebay or get one printed if you want to double up on the guns like the despoiler allows you to. I did it but the 2nd gun cost me 20 bucks off ebay.
@@FallynBarratt Yeah. I have a 3d printer. It's just insane to me that they're like "Don't ever use ANYTHING that doesn't come in the god damned box for anything else!!!! If it doesn't come in the box it's ILLEGAL" and then also this nonsense.
Like, I own a 3d printer. Even if I try to follow their rules, they seem to be advising me to 3D print the parts that they don't include, despite that making my army illegal.
I mean really the answer is obvious. 3D print literally everything.
I feel as though I should turn myself in to the authorities...in the last 24 hours I have found a box of nurglings, and 2 boxes of wardogs...in America...this feels like a criminal amount of good luck
“How to start a Chaos Knight army?”
Buy 7 war dog kits, done
102 views in 5 minutes. Fell off.
Keep up the good work Auspex!
Step 1. Wait for war dogs to be available
Step 2. Wait for Step one
Does anyone know a good site to find Slaanesh mod kits for knights and war dogs?
Or you could use my method: Buy 5 used knights and kitbash/convert the living warp out of them.
THE MAN DOES NOT SLEEP
Step 1: Buy six boxes of Wardogs
Step 2: Fume at just how crap your faction rule is when compared to the one that Imperial Knights get.
Step 1: buy as many wardogs as you can
Step 2: realize they’re never in stock because GW inventory is a joke.
Step 3: buy an abominat because it looks cool
Step 4: realize it sucks
Step 5: regret wanting to play chaos knights
Answer: You don't because GW is never in stock.
How to start a Chaos Knight army - DONT RUN THE ABOMINANT. I know he looks cool, but he’s a dirty trap! Absolutely awful unit.
Haven't started the video yet, but it should just be buy war dogs until you cant fit anymore into your list... profit.
Step one, get a 3D printer. My 13 War Dog list only cost 100 bucks in resin. There's no way I was going to pay the price GW is asking for those.
0:48 if you have to ask this question then knight isnt for you 😅
Get your knights second hand from an imperial knight player who gave up after the last dataslate
Any player that stupid deserves to get ripped off by selling their knights for cheap. Rules are temporary, plastic is forever, if you get into an army because "omg strong" then you deserve to get nerfed into 40% winrate so everyone else can laugh at you
Can save lots of time: How to Start a Chaos Knights Army - buy lots of wardogs. /end
how tf am i supposed to play against 10+ wardogs?
no way i'm boarding so much anti vehicle
Step one, buy 7 boxes of War Dogs.
You're done.
Get x6 War Dog boxes, then some Nurglings and a couple of Beasts of Nurgle, there. Until big knights get a buff either points (or skills for the Abominant) or Army rules improvements, there is no reason to run big knights in a competitive list. Now, if you want awesome models, get a Desecrator/Rampager/Abominant, they look amazing, they are just not good on the game.
Army Rules (Traitoris Lance) is trash, its one of the worst army rules in the game, its random and only happens once per battle round, and you have to wait until battle round 3 to even have a real impact... and still it wont most of the time since its random. The -1 to hit its pointless, most of the times you will be in engagement range, or the battleshocked unit would be bracketed, which means the -1 tho be hit is most of the times useless. Play the game without relying on anything but your datasheets/stratagems because most of the times your Army/Detachment rules mean squat.
Abominant is comically overpriced, i wouldnt pay even 300 pts for one with how bad it is, id rather take 2 war dogs 100% of the time. The others still need points drops but most of the time they cost about 2 and a half + war dogs, and 95% of the time when i play with a big one i think to myself "i would be doing so much better if my big knight where 2 or 3 dogs + allies"... its really sad.
Abominant is good. It's been taken into tournaments and I've been using it myself for a while now.
@@redrumssam5888 sure it has but its still bad for its price
@@redrumssam5888more power to you, every single time i have played him he has been nothing but disappointment and i have always thought while playing or after how much better i could be doing with literally anything other than him on the board. I absolutely LOVED Abominant in 9th and was the only big knight i would run, but he ws way more durable with actually good skills like Winds of the Warp and the favors of the dark gods upgrades.
Now?, he is a waaaaay more expensive Neurolictor, less survivable as well funny enough, Neurolictor is so much harder to kill than a big knight. A single battleshock test out of phase amounts to nothing most of the times and for 400 points?, no thanks. Neurolictor actually gives you the entire CK army rule... but from turn 1 on top of that. Sure, Abominant hits harder than Neurolictor, but he is 5 times the points and still its nothing in comparison with its peers.
@@Darkja What makes abominant so great and what it's pointed is for the context of the army rule and strategems. When he does mortal wounds, if he kills a 1 model or does 1 mortal wound that's a battleshock test on their battleshock phase that not only comes with the usual debuffs of battleshock, but also combos your strategems. I've used pteroshades to heal an abominant 11 wounds between two phases, and I've used it to heal a wardog who was bracketted and needed to kill an important target. I've used 2 abominants, increasing the likelihood of at least one target getting battleshocked, and getting the FNP in combat. It's been a star for me whenever I've used it, and others who I know used it say the same.
@@redrumssam5888way too many "IF" parts to his skills to make him usable for me... i dont think its worth it, not for 1/5th of my army, when on top of that its a unit thats inferior in both shooting and fighting to other options. Maybe its themeta you are in, but in mine having an Abominant at 9" of anything to make use of its skills means that Abominant is dead next turn... and thats IF it even makes it that close beyond all the chaff that can get in the way and prevent even that.
Sisters get a +1 to hit and might get a +1 to wound, IF they are battleshocked from turn 3 forward then at best you put them at 3+ again... and risk putting them at +1 to wound anyways.
Votann just brutalizes you even more if you have fewer models.
Any Space Marines with Oath will love having a focal unit to destroy easily. I dont know about you, but i have faced quite a few Ironstorm Spearheads that just love to face knights, specially big ones!
Tyranids dont care about battleshock at all because 90% of the time they roll 3d6, and in fact can battleshock you waaaaaay easier with x2-3 Neurolictors, x1 Deathleaper, Shadow + Neurotyrant or Screamer-Killers, they have way many more tests that you do and costs way less too in points. Focusing bs tests on a single big knight and then bringing it down after is super easy (i know since i also play Nids)
Chaos Daemons dont care about battleshock either, they pass and HEAL from battleshock tests more often than they fail, in fact giving them battleshock tests at below starting strenght just make them heal full 60% of the time!
World Eaters... oh this guys, MoE and Kharn are still monsters, and all big knights are characters for MoE, i guess you know what wil happen to them if any Knight gets charged, they all dies on the spot, again, id rather have more firepower and more models because if they do get charged i lose way less points overall with dogs. Nurglings are great screens but at some point they will get a charge
Sorry, but my meta is incredibly bad for relying on big knights for anything but wasting points, SPECIALLY Abominant, at least if they focus down a single unit if its a dog i lose 140-170 points, not 400+., and splitting damage to trigger bs tests is absolutely not worth it.
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2x lancers
2x rampagers
2x carnivores
Call it "yeet force 1" and yeet 2k points of melee knights into your opponents face turn 1.
I love the idea u will most likely lose on secondaries
@@lassemelson5668The only way this list wins is if you table your opponent. Competitive? No, fun? Yes.
@@nathanielhurley3960 hehe im ok with that if its what ure going for. Problem is facing fast armies and really melee capable ones... id imagine orks would pose a problem
@@lassemelson5668 consider that you have the potential to do 18 mortal wounds with tank shock and each of the rampagers should be killing a unit a round. IF the charges are set up properly you should be killing 4 units a round, no matter how strong, given the weapon profiles. But this is list that lives or dies in the charge phase.
@@nathanielhurley3960 :d i would be worried a bit by having to maneuver around terrain as u can only use knights of shade on 1 unit
#1 get 3d printer
Step 1: Give up because GW is fucking inept at having Wardogs in stock.
There is no Step 2.
how to really start a chaos knights army:
Get a 3d printer. print 3-4 big knights and 5-6 small wardogs for $50-$60 dollars lmao
Lies. You print 12 war dogs and some nurglings
BIG ROBOTS
If Lancers to go legends i will kms lol
If you're not printing your knights army you're doing yourself a serious dis-service.
1) Models are FANTASTIC, better than anything GW has EVER released. No contest at all here, especially when it comes to customizing for a specific god. Want a Nurgle wardog? There's options. Tzeentch? yup there's one of those too.
2) STLs are CHEAP. A whole knight may be FREE in parts or at most around $15-30 USD. That's nothing compared to GWs cost. Like it's literally cheaper than a basic kit of some random character let alone a knight. You also own that file forever. So the one file could make 12 Tyrants and an Abominant for less than a chaplain on bike.
3) Wardogs are sold out, eternally, perpetually, and probably forever more. I can't even buy from scalpers, cause there's none to find. Meanwhile the files are Free and I can print one for about $2 of resin.
Really the cost of a Great 3d printer is less than a knight by itself. Honestly it's a complete victory for resin printing in this category. There's no need to buy GW here for anything except paints, and only if you like those.
Don't worry about remembering your faction mechanics! It's useless.
How to start a chaos knight army - take out a loan
that goes for a lot of armies... ck is relatively cheap
I just don't think Knights should be their own standalone army. These models are good, the lore is interesting but completely underdeveloped, and the range lacking and probably limited in it's potential scope. They need to be available to other arnies to use as allies or just part of their codex.
As informative as this channel is, and as many videos I watch, I can not stand his voice. He reminds me of that old clear eyes commercial. Observe. Dry eyes.
You dont need thirty minutes to say buy 7 boxes of war dogs and a pair of nurglings
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