News flash you only see him actively killing 1 god in the comics. I won’t lie I also would’ve liked to see him do some butchering, but that isn’t why he’s a great villain.
@@davide2802 More Taiki’s fault, my guy had a story that gave is what we wanted but it was 4 HOURS and they HAD to cut it out, and he ain’t releasing a directors cut so they better use these footage in different projects
People complaining that Gorr didn’t slaughter enough gods are missing an even bigger issue. The personal vendetta between Thor and Gorr in the comics is non existent in the movie.
@@redorchid9936 I think Disney was just too afraid of offending religious groups so they decided not to take a more serious tone. I think if they did gorr right a lot of people would have come out of that theatre questioning their own god.
@@p00lboy it’d be cool if they started it out like ragnarok with him chained up but it’s a lot more serious this time and Thor is like a thousand years younger. It was so traumatic for him that it was wiped from his mind by Odin or some shit.
Also can we talk about Gorrs screen time?! We barely saw him ACTUALLY developing his plan or the progression of his character. He was just there. And then he wasn't. 😭😭😭
Overall, what does it mean for superhero movies? I feel like these recent movies are giving me superhero fatigue. A story like this needs a part 1 & 2.
The problem is there are no good villains that have survived the movies. There is no stakes for anything if the villains don't win in some of these scenarios.
I honestly thought Gorr was the creepiest villain we've seen in the MCU. I said it on a previous video and I'll say it again - the scene where Gorr is talking to the Asgardian children he's kidnapped gave me major Hannibal Lecter vibes. Christian Bale did a phenomenal job in that regard./ The problem was that it felt Christian Bale was putting in an oscar-worthy horror film performance, and everyone else was doing a full-Taika comedy performance, and there was a massive disconnect between the two.
Yeah when that scene happened I thought we were about to get a major tonal shift in the movie, but they just threw that in there then went back to the bullshit
After watchin this movie I don't like direction of the look for gorr the comic book look is what added to the creepiness and sold his whole prowess.... Along with the sword of course but this movie has him just lookin like some old ass Greek guy who survived pompei
I think you are confusing creepy with menacing. James McAvoy in Split was creepy, because he acted in a very strange way and you weren't sure what he was going to do next. Lecter was menacing. Every time he was around someone you knew that person was in danger, even when he was locked up. When he did things that were out of the ordinary it wasn't because he was weird, but because he wanted to get a rise out of someone to study them and get in their heads. Gorr in the comics was proper menacing. Gorr in the movie, significantly less so.
totally agree. the comic story was amazing but in the movie Thor was almost care-free about it. he was making jokes in front of the trapped kids and making jokes on the way to the shadow realm. how are we supposed to feel Gorr's power/threat if the main character doesn't seem to even care.
Out of all the villains I pray they don’t F ip Galaţus or Dr. Doom they are truly the bread and butter of marvel comics like no joke they can’t be killed off, and if marvel does I’m no longer a movie adaptation fan ever again or if they F up the new reboot of the X-men
Agree 100% with Gorr being in a comedy movie. Just didnt fit. Nothing in the movie made me think God Butcher. Just some guy with a sword that can kill gods. All the growth Thor had as well seemed to be turned back to immature Thor.
Completely agree. I immediately walked out the movie feeling like the tone didn't match the villain, and had a feeling prior to the movie that Gorr would feel like a "villain of the week."
You clowned us but finally realized that if they wouldn't bother make it comic accurate...they wouldn't bother put in effort for his character. Crazy...Taiki is know for this, he should just make comedy.
Taika's show 'our flag means death' has pretty decent pacing and character development. But I agree that in this case, the pacing of this movie and it's actual meaningfulness felt entirely lackluster.
@@reeseorta3052 Yeah, i loved Jojo Rabbit by Taika. But the comedy made sense because the narrative of the event was coming from that of a child. You can't do the same with Thor because the narration of Thor and Gorr is that of the audience, the audience has to see that this is actually Gorr and develop both the character of Gorr and Thor. All the characters used couldve stayed but make Gorr look like Gorr and don't kill him off because he's way too overpowered to die off like that.
I feel like it's a Disney thing and they are too scared or unwilling to go into darker aspects of certain characters I have a feeling if it wasn't a Disney property it would've been done way differently
I didn't see Gorr butcher any god, kinda disappointed with that. I agree in the comics we didn't see him butchering gods, but his whole presence and depiction was very much a threat.
I just couldn’t believe they used eternity as a wish to bring his fucking daughter back with super powers. There were so many gods who could have granted that wish. The movie really missed the mark
They definitely could have shown him actually taking out a few low tier gods atleast. Was still fun but was sadly missing something. His introduction was super cool and overall liked the look they gave him. As others mentioned the movie was almost to much of a joke sad as Ragnorock was so good.
It's funny I keep seeing a bunch of people posting comments that are very similar to yours praising Ragnarok and saying this new movie was not serious enough and it was stupid, But I also very much remember when Ragnarok came out I felt like I was the only person who liked that movie because everybody was saying the same things about that movie it wasn't serious enough and it was terrible because of it. I'm starting to feel like none of you guys actually know what you want or like out of these Marvel movies
@@NixonReptiles I never said that you personally did not like Ragnarok I just said that a lot of people when Ragnarok came out shit share the same sentiment that they have now for this new movie And now a couple of years later most people who are criticizing this new movie are also saying that they did like Ragnarok so it's just weird to me, And again I feel like a lot of people who are watching the MCU really like to just watch these movies to criticize them as they come out, If you wanna detail a plot hole that is Really annoying to character development or something I completely understand that but when you just have gripes and complaints about every new movie that comes out It starts making me wonder why a lot of people even watch the movies anymore and again I'm not trying to say that you personally are guilty of this it just seems like you share the same sentiment as a lot of these people
Just got home from the theatre. If I completely discard the comics I had a lot of great laughs. Unfortunately, a two hour movie felt like 30 minutes of true story. I enjoyed the way they did Jane and Gorr as far as origins. However fitting the entire Jane Foster comic line in one fast paced film felt off. I loved Christian Bales acting, but again the MCU struggles to implement the sheer POWER of these villains. How are we to take Celestials and God’s seriously going forward if they can’t truly scale they’re power correctly to unstudied viewers. This is my raw thoughts immediately after the film. Subject to change. Love to here anyones else’s thoughts. All love Rob!
I liked it even though it wasn't true to the source material, being disney we would never get to see Gorr at his full glory, we got no mention of it being the All Black, just the necrosword which was disappointing, I would have at least expected to see it being taken off of Hela since we got confirmation that her crawn was the Necrosword in What If?, even though in What If? the collector said A Necrosword not The Necrosword, but if he was thinking/knew multiversally then it would only be one of infinite. My only true disappointment with it overall is that we didn't get much/any info to confirm Knull.
100% agree, especially about the story fitting into the movie. It was fun but.. yeah. There was something that was missing. It didn’t have as many significant moments as Ragnarok did.
The movie made Gorr look like he wasn't so much a big threat. They should have had Gorr beat Thor silly in the first meeting to establish he is nothing to mess with. Then the severity of the situation would have been shown more
In the hands of an actually capable director, he could’ve pulled an Oscar worthy villain out of Gorr. But sadly for everyone, Waititi had to be the one to run this into the ground.
Agree 1000%! I was so excited to see Gorr in the MCU. He’s probably the best written comic book Villains and they completely missed the mark with him. One he wasn’t relatable and two, we didn’t get to see just how brutal and powerful he was. I also would have like some history there to between Gorr and a young Thor.
To be honest, I don’t care about accuracy. I just wanted him to not look forgettable. Cuz to me, with the history of him and Thor, I see Loki as Thor’s Green Goblin and Gorr as Thor’s Venom. That’s why i say they treated his character the way they treated his character design. Lazy as fuck.
I only know what I know about Gorr because of this channel, and I think I carried that with me into the film and it had pros and cons. On the one hand, I understood the tragedy of Gorr's backstory a little more and so I could extrapolate more empathy out of his character and relate to him more, which made for a more compelling villain for the first act. But the con was, knowing how much more powerful he was in the comics, I kept having that feeling of like "I should be more afraid of him than I am, he should be way more of a threat and this should be drawn out across multiple films not just the one" which lost all the momentum generated in the first act. I didn't think Bale was bad, thought I have a gripe with the makeup, less for the accuracy thing though that is an element..more just because I'm tired of aliens in movies not looking like *aliens*. I'm tired of various shades of pink and blue and grey humanoids, it feels lazy, uncreative, and like a cost-cutting measure more than artistic direction.
There's a series on UA-cam that voice acts the gorr storyline. I suggest you give it a try for a couple minutes, listen to how gorr sounds and what he actually says.i think it's called gorr the godbomb motion comic or something.. It's incredible dude honestly..
Oh and a note on the villain thing, every good character in the Pro Wrestling space is a Heel. You need a good heel/villain to make the Heroes story feel better and be meaningful. They for sure need to put more into them.
@@booming_systems757 scarlet witch wasn't that good of a villain though there are many issues with her character in mom but what annoys me the most about the way she was written in the movie was her power consistency i mean at one moment she can erase the mouth of a character that is well known to be op but then have a hard time fighting a strong hero with a shield and a wizard that is above her and also a teenager who barely knows how to use her power
Spoiler warning: I think this film would have been MUCH better with more screen time. Seeing Gorr kill gods before thor got notice, watching him fight sif, or more time with Jane getting used to being Thor would have made it top notch. (TBF I am biased cause "villain wins but not the way they expect to" is my favorite trope)
You're exactly right, and the fact that it was originally a 4-Hour movie and got cut all the way down to this mess is just sad. By the sounds of it we could have had more time with jane, more time with the guardians, more time exploring Gore before Thor... It felt like so much of the movie got cut down for jokes or to make the movie more fast-paced, fun and lively
I feel like Gorr would have been a good sobering villain. Start off with comedic and silly stuff but end with Gorr maybe not winning but surviving. Where the end is sad but then you realize he survived and was coming back. He would have been a good guy to keep him around for 3 movies.
I've said similar elsewhere. This could've been the perfect opportunity to drag it away from the comedy a good bit and set some stakes. I enjoyed the movie but I probably won't watch more than once or twice
[LMAO] We said this movie is gonna suck or underwhelm because these movies feel like high budget "sitcom". Post Endgame, all Marvel movies are forgettable. The plot is always all over the place. Very much underwhelming.
Gor should’ve been a two part movie. It may seem a bit irrational to say but if you know about Gorr and how much of a bad ass he was in the comics plus most ppl felt we needed more screen time from him it makes sense. Marvel feels rushed and this movie is another example. It feels like we’re getting more quantity and less quality. This was a villain who could’ve fixed that by expanding. They said before final cut he movie is like 4 hours.
or they should've used someone else. The Serpent (Cul Borson) would've been a much better choice. Although I prefer a more serious tone, at least you can play with the concepts of "love vs fear" there.
I kinda agree with you and split it into two focused on Jane story and the Thor vs gorr hints the love and thunder part's. The love of Jane and her death then gorr full backstory and the three Thor's would have been awesome
So when they announced Gorr I just loved the idea of seeing this alien Freddy Krueger/Michael Myers like demon character fighting Thor in live action not because I wanted the exact comic look!! But because I’ve wanted to see our heroes go up against they more freaky aliens!! Hearing those say they didn’t want another Voldemort looking character which he didn’t need to just having the freaky eyes they didn’t look like Sith eyes but more like a demon is something I loved!! I just feel they could have done that!! Why’ll still letting us see CB’s face still!!
The MCU needs to hire Rob. Rob alone is more than enough than the entire creative team who thinks up what goes in these movies. #TheMCUNeedsRob #SaveTheMCURob
If that ever happens, despite Rob’s passion & vast knowledge of lore, they will still set guidelines & boundaries & he must work within them. They will definitely stifle his creativity.
Thor 4 is a waste of a movie. I knew right away they were going to waste Gorr considering Jane’s Thor was going to be in the movie and Marvel didn’t do anything amazing with Gorr in the movie. Why cast someone as Bale to just kill him and that’s it… it’s pretty much Malekith 2.0. Malekith had more screeentime and if we are going by evil characters in the MCU then Johann Schmidt aka Red Skull played by Hugo Weaving was the most evil character besides Arnin Zola and Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker played by Thomas Kretschmann which were also wasted characters. Thor in his solo movies is terrible and a complete clown. The Russo brothers were the ones that did justice to Thor in Avengers Infinity War & Endgame.
They honestly could have just made it into a tv show, making it like invincible, with the comedy, but slowly getting darker, with us learning of the God’s, from Thor, and Jane’s adventures, as the comedic side of the series, but also through Gorr. Gorr could have been telling the stories of the God’s he’s killing or torturing, with us hearing of how mighty they were, learning of their pros, and cons while seeing them at their lowest point, with Gorr, and his army just humiliating them.
I was really worried when they announced Gorr was the villain with Taika as the director. Sadly, nothing about this looks or feels like anything close to what I was hoping. They should not have handed Wahtiti the keys to this story.
The biggest letdown was how weak Gorr was. He should've been fearsome more than an emo character I was thinking that animation would have been the better medium for his story
Yeah I kind of agree, however Thor Dark World fan's reaction fucked serious Thor forever. I also think the balance between comedy and seriousness needs to be recalibrated in the Thor movies. This movie would be great if it were more like The winter soldier.
Gorr, I'm going to be honest, I wanted his comic book accurate appearance, because when you have aliens that look just like humans, it just seems too boring, because even though you know that they are NOT human, it just seems like a human vs human fight, with powers, so for an alien to have a unique design, it kind of drew me in more, and personally I wanted that, however he was changed, and since I can't do anything that I can do, then I just accept it, I won't exactly like it, but I will accept it. Now I'm not saying that changes are bad, like Darren Cross, being YellowJacket, instead of Hank Pym from the Comics, I'll be honest, that was awesome, I really, really liked it, at least that is my opinion, so not all changes are bad, but when you have a big Comic thing like the story with Gorr, that just drew people in, and had a lot of hype, like, "Oh my god, he is slaughtering thousands of Gods, what can Thor do !?" You want something like that hype, and so you stick to the original.
Gorr shouldn't have died, they should have kept for future movies and needed more scenes with him actually butchering gods, there's so many parts of the comic they could have kept and adapted without ruining the comedic aspect of the movie Hopefully, Marvel doesn't fall off
I think they needed at least 1 scene where he went around murking all kinds of gods and then show more if his people and him suffering and praying with no avail before he found the necro sword
So true, the movie was way to comical. I never once felt like like maybe someone important was going to die. And moments that should have been dark and serious were wasted with jokes. That's Marvel's issue right now everything needs to be funny and no it doesn't.
Bale did good with the cards he was dealt…still think they did Gorr dirty in the movie. Totally neutered him. He was too Joker-ish. He had no rage. His conviction wasn’t portrayed strongly enough. He’s a fraction of the comic version. The movie has bigger problems than Gorr’s portrayal but that was probably the biggest let down for me. My favorite villain maybe ever and is so forgettable once he gets his moment on the big screen. Bummed.
I agree to a point. I think it’s important to at least try to stay as close to the source material as possible. I think they got close enough with Gorr. But the movie borders on slapstick and I agree that killed his potential to be a good villain.
I am okay with what we got. Its a very watered down version but how do you fit Gorr's epic SAGA in one movie and still have it line up with MCU timeline? people want comic book villains than go read comic books. everyone is setting themselves up for failure and disappointment.
@@Chrisvilla767 I know nothing about Gorr other than what was presented in this movie and I really don't care to know anything more after watching this. It was a C grade MCU movie. Sounds like Gorr could have been bad ass but what I saw in the movie didn't make me give a shit one way or another about the character.
I was really hoping to see multiple Thors similar to the comics. Also wished he could have been more menacing looking and showing him kill more of those gods. The kids part felt super forced as well. Felt the movie was short handed and too over simplified. It had some really good elements but just wasn't capitalized enough. The runtime should have been a little longer too. Ragnorok did everything better and was a lot more balanced. I definitely would have waited longer for this movie had they upped the quality some more.
@@betterlatethannever4529 Because they are roles entrusted to entirely different people, is perhaps why. Also expectation is one thing, results are another; an accurate look would not have improved the movie overall, for how much of it even comprised Gorr. Writers don’t design. 🙂
You really summed up what people are feeling and that is the fact that these films are forgetting the ACTION!!! What makes these films great is that the stakes are high and heroes can die.
I definitely agree with Gorr being underutilized. marvel should try to assess what characters & arcs/stories they’re going to use before hand & then find a director who’s style fits that. We are getting to a point where now it’s starting to get to be a problem for not only comic book lovers but also the general public. End of the movie feels like it goes against what Gorr stood for in general. Still had fun tho 7/10
This story actually gave Gorr some character growth though and showed exactly why Thor is worthy, he understood where Gorr was coming from, he received the same treatment from Zues as Gorr received from his god (which imo was a better introduction for Gorr than the comic, in the comic he seems like a moron getting pissed at the gods for being too busy getting killed than helping his people) and Gorr realized not all gods are the same, Thor is the type of god he could believe in. While the movie wasn't true to the source material (wasn't expecting it to be that true with Taika directing), but it definitely felt like a comic book movie and was on par with Thors cosmic adventures. It felt like I was actually watching a Thor comic in live action, with the exception that Thor comics usually lack comic relief (and it's usually provided by an outside character not Thor, I wish we would have gotten the Hall of Murder scene with an entire wing devoted to Odin scene) and have a couple big moments, I think they completely overlooked the reason for Thor being able to defeat Gorr is because his powers mimic the sing of the anvil and fires of the forge, which the earlier/earliest (the all back) versions of symbiotes are weak to.
I agree with you Rob. Felt like Gorr could've easily been a 2 to 3 part film. Last film being his ending. The film wasn't bad but the way they killed him off and not showing his true potential power was disappointing
I agree with Rob, it was kinda what I pointed on my last comment in past video. And yes, Marvel Studios does not know any longer how to handle their villains specially when they have depth as Gorr, and to handle that awesome Jason Aaron milestone arc to someone like Taika Waititi, was a huuuuuuuuge mistake
The execution was done decently. There wasn’t enough development of the character, but in reality he was the best part of Thor L&T. I agree the comic Gorr was incredible, but I really still enjoyed Christian bales depiction.
The other big problem with the movie is that we were constantly *told*, not *shown*, that Gorr is a badass. We didn’t see any of the kills or fights against the other gods. Contrast this with Batman The Dark Knight, and we SEE how serious of a threat The Joker is. Both single run films that had to establish a major villain threat and only one did it well.
Totally agree with Gorr needing to be in a non comedy movie. The comedy made light of Gorr and what he went through, Jane and the chemo she was going through, and the struggle with Thor and the reality of needing to leg Jane go. Love the link you made with Gorr and Heath Ledger's Joker. Never thought of that before!
Gorr wanting to use a wish machine to be used for evil while the hero uses it for not reviving a close loved one and instead for someone they barely know but has larger implications for the greater universe is literally Dragonball Evolution.😭
He was the first to get there after all, which according to Zeus was how the wish worked. And had it played out as you suggest, Thor wouldn't have really won anyway. Gorr would be vindicated as Thor would have just used the wish for his own interests as expected of any of the other gods.
Really glad a creator actually has the same view as me in phase 4. I’ve constantly felt that I was just negative with the recent projects. I love the funny the MCU brings because sometimes DC is too dark and gloomy, but never have I wanted a pure comedy movie. Great video and explanation👍🏻👍🏻
Definitely wasn't what it could've been. Maybe the folks over at Marvel just didn't think Gorr was someone they wanted to push as a true top villain🤷🏾♂️ Even though it's tough, this is what the MCU has done for quite awhile at this point, and unfortunately I'm kind of getting used to it, maybe everyone else should too.
@@svp2010 I'm honestly confident that some part of this is deliberate. That when Doom or Galactus or Apocalypse etc. someone on their level (even though Kang is great, I personally dont think he's THAT guy) finally appears, that they'll be taken care of with the utmost respect to their comic counterpart. The MCU can be funny, because for those that it seems they don't deem worthy, the writing tends to be very sloppy and thrown together, instead of working to make that particular character BETTER, they try to make them make the audience laugh (case and point, Thor, Hulk, War Machine etc.) However for those they do think have the potential to be THAT guy, they go all in and have produced some of the best, most identifiable characters cinema has ever seen (Iron Man, Thanos etc.) My point is, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Because as far as phase 4 has come, it really seems that besides Spidey, who isn't fully their property, the MCU just hasn't found THAT guy on either side, hero or villain. However I suspect that when they do find who they wanna focus on, we'll see the turn around from fans and the overall quality of the MCU skyrocket once more.
I gotta agree with you on this Rob. I just watched the film last night and just kept feeling like Gorr just didn’t feel like Gorr. However, Christian Bale did do a fantastic job as Gorr with how he was portrayed & written.
Marvel has a strange new habit of cutting it short 'cause both Dr Strange 2 and Thor 4 feel rushed. Thor 4 has so much potential with all the ideas it introduces, but it's all undercut for comedy or skipped over for time which is why Gorr is underdeveloped
I'm sure there's a lot of contractual chaos among other things going on behind the scenes that people aren't considering. I strongly believe they chose the "multiverse of madness" to make up for those issues. Like everythings mad and nobody knows where this is going for certain (including them)
Rob, when you bring a comics characters to life we should always, always be able to tell who they are when you see them. They can make some changes but if they are changed so much that you can't recognize them that's a failure.
Reading Gorr's stories i always had it in my mind that it would be a dark movie. A movie like infinity war where not everyone makes it and it ends on a losing note for the heroes. I also thought Gorr would be this guy who wouldn't let anyone get in his way. Not even his ghost form of his kids.
All great points Rob. How can you be called Gorr the "God Butcher" and yet we did not see a lot of that in the movie. Secondly, while he was dangerous there was not that feeling of spine tingling dread being felt whenever he was on screen. Marvel really needs to work on their villains because it is the one area where DC is far superior.
They butchered the story of the god butcher. Thor: The God Butcher & Thor: The God Bomb, are one of Thor's best stories. This could have easily been one of the best comic movies had they just stuck with the source material. It could have even been a 2 part movie. Hate to see Gorr butchered like this... dood!
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The way I describe it to folks is this: The things people griped about for Thor: Ragnarok are the issues I have with this movie. Though still enjoyable, there was too much comedy for dealing with a villain like Gorr. That was a spot on analysis for me.
I agree with you, friend. But I feel if they made Thor 4 darker, a lot of people would complain that it's "too dark" or "not safe for kids", like quite a lot of critics said about Thanos.
As soon as he killed the god that he stumbled across with what seemed like ease, with no justification and what seemed a bit silly on how they went about it... I knew that this character wasn't going to get any justice in the film. I would have wanted to see just 5 minutes of his people suffering and dying, all the while begging their God for mercy. Just to see Gorr stumble across the necrosword and then making his choice to become the god butcher by killing that god savagely. But they didn't even show him battling gods :/ Gorr was relatable in some sense though lol but in the film, I didn't really sympathize with him in the film the same way I did in the comics. I wanted to root for him but obviously he would lose. he just wasn't as developed in the film as he was in the comics. I hope there's an extended cut of this film. I liked the movie though lol but I'm with you 100%
Lol, what are you talking about? Gorr was being strangled to death by the guy and if he didn't kill him, he would have killed Gorr. The whole scene presents that god as vile and vain, and totally deserving of his end.
@@nm2358 What are you talking about. My whole point is that we only got to see one God die the entire movie and it was the one in the beginning. All I’m saying is that we should have seen him kill more rather than being told I would have liked to have been shown
I felt that, as a Father, I empathised to this version of Gorr more as a villain. It was different, but I felt it was different in a good way. I’m more than satisfied with the writing and performance.
10:53 yes. As many might have a problem with the second and third matrix film, people love how well written Smith is as an enjoyable villian. Complex especially as he was a program, but people love him. People love Kingpin from the Netflix series because of how deep his character is. Turning villians into an utter joke just makes the film an utter joke.... Losing to a dance battle no matter what villian that might be is an utter joke
My hope is that we were just introduced to Gorr, and we get to deal with Gorr variants that go even harder. But I'd also LOVE a Christian Bale lead Gorr miniseries where we see his descent into madness and some proper butchering of Gods.
My problem was the tone. It was a Guardians of the Galaxy type comedy. Gor the God Butcher was a very dark and serious comic book run and this movie turned it into a slapstick comedy. I wish it was given the seriousness it deserves. Edit....sounds like I'm not the only one that didn't care for the tone of the film as a comedy rather than a tragedy.
I’ll say it once again. Change Gorr’s look, but don’t undersell his character. Keep Gorr’s look so he’s at least decent looking if you’re gonna yet again screw up a Thor villain.
@@captainobvious1252 Here’s the thing. My one thing when it comes to this mindset be it kryptonians, viltrumites, saiyans and so on. Why do humans think they’re the only ones who can evolve into this general form? Earth is one of thousands of worlds in any given universe after all. That said, don’t change something that works. It only waters down someone. This would be like making Galactus into a 10ft dude w/o his helmet because it might be too much for the GA to accept a 100ft world eater with a bucket hat.
@@SuperShanko they did it with thanos, he looked completely different the first time they showed him. They made him more human like. I’m sure it’s gonna happen with galactus.
@@captainobvious1252 Well Galactus only looks human because he’s being seen by humans, so that won’t matter much there. It’s just a matter of him being 50ft tall or not.
People often disagree when I say this but X-Men: Apocalypse needed to be TWO FILMS you need the first film to set up his backstory, make the audience sympathize with him to a degree before plunging Apocalypse into the darkness he basks in during the second film . Gorr needed the same treatment this movie should've been HIS STORY with Thor (Chis Helmsworth) being someone who really only makes a hand full of appearances just to establish what Thor is doing while Gorr is laying waste to all the other gods and I personally think Chris Helmsworth could've been cut entirely. It would've been far more interesting to have Jane Foster: The Mighty Thor being a scientist almost AGREE with Gorr about the uselessness of Gods like she doesn't know the horrors he committed but travels with him because he seeks to restore the life of his daughter which Jane finds noble.
I agree it should have been two movies, but you don’t need the first one basically all about Gorr. They need to give Gorr much more time though. Hell, even have Jane somewhat agree with Gorr about the gods. Especially since she has cancer and then seeing the Gods in person she can see how unworthy they are.
Yeah no..... Multiverse of Madness was a DAMN GOOD movie, you just went into the movie with assumptions and expectations and close minded, that movie is top 5 mcu, leave that movie alone
Marvel should really try to write a movie in a similar way to how Taxi driver, Memento or even You the tv show was written… it would be super interesting to see and feel the struggles and the tragedy of a villain like gorr for instance where it’s more ambiguous about where the character we are following stands in the greater context of the universe. For example, you don’t realize that you’re following this villains origin story until the end when you and the character become privy to new information that reveals a huge answer about where they stand in relation to the rest of the established universe or even less subtly a hero you recognizes shows up in the third act or even in the final scene that connects it to the rest of the cinematic universe. From there you can even have a sequel about the clash between this villain character you actually care about to a degree (because you followed them for a whole movie) and another previously established character from the universe that you already know. It would have so much for emotion and conflict having both sides so fleshed out without their purpose being so reliant and dependent on the others existence. The codependency of hero’s to villains and villains to heroes is old and stale. Too often it seems like villains/characters are created simply to be an obstacle for an already established character and to me that’s starting to feel cheap.
I understand what you mean about being comic book accurate when it comes to appearance, especially with someone looking as unique as Gorr, but also understand if they're not willing to respect the look of a character, the likelihood of them also respecting the very character itself seems low. Shame, cause Gorr is one of those characters you HAVE to get right.
Agreed, when Gorr was announced for this film this was my worry. Shame. He's one of the stories that reinvigorated my love of comics and what they could be.
Taika Waititi is quoted as saying “I’ll ruin your mythos in a minute, baby.” What did everyone expect? His Star Wars movie is going to be goofy as hell.
How is hating on Thor L&T the popular thing to do, when ALMOST ALL popular comic movie review channels are saying it’s good? Maybe the people are tired of the cap. I’m an MCU STAN and I almost walked out of Thor L&T. In the beginning of the movie, Thor literally rode Storm Breaker like The Wicked Witch of the West!! Please stop gaslighting fans. A blind man can see that Thor L&T was GARBAGE. Thor 4 is the modern day “Batman & Robin.” And I hate to say it, but I’m finally concerned about the future of the MCU.
Listening to you Gor sounds like what would have happened if Job had gone insane from his suffering. I haven't read the comics or seen the movie but I would be upset if they went lite on that. He doesn't compare to Thanos as far as I can tell. They have different motivations and would act completely different. Gor would be more of a horror villain. Dark. Gor should be saying exactly why he feels the way he does and his exacting retribution would be cold and brutal. For Thor to defeat him he'd have to look deep and even then I think it would be very difficult and Thor would end up in bad shape. He wouldn't be the perfect glorious hero at the end of that battle. There'd be damage.
You’re spot on Rob! Spot on! I felt with Gorr they had the potential to make a two part movie, where the first ends with Thor being beaten or captured by Gorr to give a cliffhanger to Thor 5. And that’s where he over comes Gorr and has a newfound understanding of what it means to be a God. Would have been a great way to end the Thor character arc. But Marvel doesn’t know what to do with villains.
I agree. After watching your videos and breakdown of Gorr, I was really excited to see him in live action and thought Marvel was going to make him one of my favorite villains but I never felt like Thor was in trouble but rather felt the focus of the film was Thors relationship with Jane…which was great but Gorr felt like a back story. I wanted to be on his side while at the same time feeling like he had to be stopped, but rather I felt he just had bad luck, went crazy and needed to be stopped. More scenes of Gorr from his perspective along with him killing gods and why while still building on the relationship with Jane and Thor probably would have been great. I didn’t really connect with Gorr like I thought I would. Like I did with Thanos until End Game. Hope that makes sense.
Marvel should introduce their villains in their own separate movie before facing off with the heroes, just to give the audience the feel of how big of a threat they really are, then have them face off in a hero movie. Would be nice to see how they got so powerful and menacing before they get killed off. Christian Bale was amazing with what he was given in this film.
Thank you so much for this video. Finally some who has some prominence on UA-cam acknowledges this. No reasonable person cares about the comic book look accuracy, but this movie was a missed opportunity to show a deeper side to the mcu.
I know this is off topic but the reason why Majin Buu was a super incredible threat, was because he was unpredictably powerful and was basically like fighting a balloon that never pops but could hit you with the force of a truck.
I don’t care about the look of Gorr. They just did his story so dirty it’s such a waste of a good character. It’s so disrespectful to the original writer.
When he was in the movie, Gorr was quite good...The problem is that he's not in the movie enough. Also, as good as Natalie Portman was in this movie, Jane Foster should not have been in this movie. That should've been its own movie. If they had focused on setting up Gorr's backstory a little more, instead of reintroducing Jane, Sif, and Valkyrie (and introducing a new character in Heimdall's son), then this movie could've been a great movie. As it is, I enjoy this movie a lot. I'm gonna go see it again before I give it a score, though
I totally agree Rob. I came out of the movie thinking the comedy aspects just felt weird in relation to the concepts they're showing on screen. I would have liked to see Gorr going around killing more gods sure, but I think you're right in just showing him killing more god's wouldn't have helped. They needed to show how Gorr and Thor are opposites. Also I was REALLY hoping they wouldn't kill Gorr and I was even more surprised/confused how they just blew up the necro sword.
Your right Rob, I hope the makers of marvel are not losing their creative steam. I always thought that the mcu overall story, and trying to keep all its connectivity between stories, would eventually get to hard, and they could potentially fail. It wasn't a bad movie just wasn't what I expected.
They rushed the beginning, that was the only real flaw, comedy or not, they could have fleshed out Gorrs backstory. It just felt like obligatory villain origin without any heart
This film needed another 30-40 minutes to build up Gorr and the storyline more. I honestly didn't mind the comedy, even though it was a bit too much. The main problem was they sacrificed story and character building just to spend more time on comedy. And that made the film unfulfilling. They theoretically could have done both had they made it 30 - 40 minutes longer. But also , Taiki is clearly not the best at blending moods.
Your take is exactly right. I wish the Sony Marvel Universe would focus more on the empathy of the villains. It should focus on humanizing their actions. That would really get us paying attention to the Sony universe.
The problem for me is ever since the first iron man film is that heroes are killing off their villains. My favorite villians that I really like that felt like badasses in their own way are 1.Thanos 2.Killmonger 3.Hela 4.The Vulture and 5.Green Goblin
You NAILED every single complaint I had with this movie. I had a good time with it, but Gorr is not the type of villain that belongs in a comedy simply due to his backstory and ideology. That’s why the film felt kind of jarring to me.
I really respect Rob approach to saying everything he can possibly say without saying “I didn’t like it”. I’ve basically have taken the same approach anyone asks me because everyone I’ve talked to is excited about Love and Thunder. I remember watching this movie last Thursday and thinking to myself 45 minutes in, “They’ve gotta take Thor out of Taika Waititi’s hands”. Now, I read comics as I’m sure most of Rob’s viewers are also comic book readers. I never want to be “Well in the comics” guy because they’re the worst kind of people. You should enjoy these movies for what they are because it’s a separate universe. With this said, as a comic reader, this has to the one time we’ve gotta be disappointed. This video by Rob was well done and to add to it, Thor also had a history with Gorr. If I remember right, Gorr was captured at one point in Odin’s Dungeon when he was a kid and Thor snuck down there was Gorr creepily spoke to Thor and it actually scared him. I hope I’m remember this right but that’s the kind of seriousness and creepiness I wanted to see because Thor’s not really scared of much.
Random idea that I had: you could actually have Gorr return, and he be the Gorr that no one ended up taking seriously and he wiped his universe of the gods and goddesses. Then he learns about the multiverse, and that is the Gorr that is more along the lines of the comics version and it takes everyone Thor knows and more to stop him
This should have been 2 movies. Within the 1st movie tell two stories. The story of Gorr and the story of Thor. In that story maybe have the giant GOd that was Thors friend involved more in this story. This movie could have been fun and lighter. But I would say Involve Beta ray bill and maybe the enchantress. That would be on the Thors side then on the other side develop and see why he is called the God Butcher and actualy show him slaying some gods. Maybe have the 1st movie end when they meet and end just as Gorr killed the Giant God. Thor in a Rage rushes at GOrr and the movie ends just before they clash. Thor 5 would be the bad ass clash we've been wanting to see. Thor gets his ass handed to him and barely escapes with his life. He realizes that He could actually die. That tone should carry throughout the film with Gorr seeking to use the God Bomb. Then eventually he and beta ray bill and some Gods from thor 4 gets massacared trying to take him down With Thor ulitmately winning but at the cost of the life of Sif and Korg. All that would be left would be are the two brothers in arms.,Beta Ray bill and Thor. or something like that. its 12 am and im hitting the sack. Sleepy thoughts. Just saw the movie today and while I liked it just fine They should have had more gravitas and less jokes. I think Tiaka should step down and do the FF or antman which would be more his speed at this point.
I loved Christian Bales design. The final battle felt a bit more realistic than it should’ve been. I think the comic book design would’ve been a bit distracting. He actually looked terrifying. And his emotion in the beginning and end was just perfect.
Gorr butchering gods: Why isn’t it possible?
Marvel: It’s just not.
Gorr: Why not you stupid bastard!
It's prob Disney's fault.
He literally only killed one god in the movie and I was so disappointed
PG13 will do that
News flash you only see him actively killing 1 god in the comics. I won’t lie I also would’ve liked to see him do some butchering, but that isn’t why he’s a great villain.
@@davide2802 More Taiki’s fault, my guy had a story that gave is what we wanted but it was 4 HOURS and they HAD to cut it out, and he ain’t releasing a directors cut so they better use these footage in different projects
People complaining that Gorr didn’t slaughter enough gods are missing an even bigger issue. The personal vendetta between Thor and Gorr in the comics is non existent in the movie.
I bet scenes of Gorr killing gods was cut out along with him getting kicked out of his tribe.
because gorr didnt capture and torture young thor
@@redorchid9936 I think Disney was just too afraid of offending religious groups so they decided not to take a more serious tone. I think if they did gorr right a lot of people would have come out of that theatre questioning their own god.
@@p00lboy it’d be cool if they started it out like ragnarok with him chained up but it’s a lot more serious this time and Thor is like a thousand years younger. It was so traumatic for him that it was wiped from his mind by Odin or some shit.
@@casualthurs3243 thats way better idea than how they played it
We needed more Gorr.
Yes we do!
Hell yeah we did
Best part of the film
we needed to see a montage (at the very least) of Gorr killing a few gods. we saw nothing.
@Dan lol agreed
Also can we talk about Gorrs screen time?! We barely saw him ACTUALLY developing his plan or the progression of his character. He was just there. And then he wasn't. 😭😭😭
Right? No massacres, no slave planet, no God bomb, no battle across time. Why even use that story?
@@derek96720 Gorr may as well been another Easter egg they just threw in there so we fans can geek out for 30secs...lol
I feel this movie would’ve been a whole lot better if they just picked a less serious villain
Overall, what does it mean for superhero movies? I feel like these recent movies are giving me superhero fatigue. A story like this needs a part 1 & 2.
@@archaicrapture that's true!
The problem is there are no good villains that have survived the movies. There is no stakes for anything if the villains don't win in some of these scenarios.
No on the head
thats what made the infinity saga so good... half the universe got wiped out
yep like mysterio
there is always DOOM
@@johnnymaximum3828 im just scared they gonna fuck him up bad
I honestly thought Gorr was the creepiest villain we've seen in the MCU. I said it on a previous video and I'll say it again - the scene where Gorr is talking to the Asgardian children he's kidnapped gave me major Hannibal Lecter vibes. Christian Bale did a phenomenal job in that regard./ The problem was that it felt Christian Bale was putting in an oscar-worthy horror film performance, and everyone else was doing a full-Taika comedy performance, and there was a massive disconnect between the two.
Yeah when that scene happened I thought we were about to get a major tonal shift in the movie, but they just threw that in there then went back to the bullshit
After watchin this movie I don't like direction of the look for gorr the comic book look is what added to the creepiness and sold his whole prowess.... Along with the sword of course but this movie has him just lookin like some old ass Greek guy who survived pompei
Nope, I saw those trailers of him
I think you are confusing creepy with menacing. James McAvoy in Split was creepy, because he acted in a very strange way and you weren't sure what he was going to do next. Lecter was menacing. Every time he was around someone you knew that person was in danger, even when he was locked up. When he did things that were out of the ordinary it wasn't because he was weird, but because he wanted to get a rise out of someone to study them and get in their heads. Gorr in the comics was proper menacing. Gorr in the movie, significantly less so.
Nailed it. That's the vibe
I feel like my biggest problem with him was a problem the movie had overall and that was it felt like nothing was being taken serious.
Agreed 100%!
Yes! That was the worst crime. I felt like introducing Certain characters like Zeus did not help either. Basically tried to shrug him off completely.
totally agree. the comic story was amazing but in the movie Thor was almost care-free about it. he was making jokes in front of the trapped kids and making jokes on the way to the shadow realm. how are we supposed to feel Gorr's power/threat if the main character doesn't seem to even care.
100
right on
If they can do this to Gorr, imagine what they can do to Galactus, Namor or Doctor Doom.
that would ignore thanos loki killmonger loki the manderin etc.
@@Shabeast Huh?
They better not mess up on doom . My fav marvel character besides Ghost rider
@Dan But you still consume like a hypocrite. And you will do it again and again.
Out of all the villains I pray they don’t F ip Galaţus or Dr. Doom they are truly the bread and butter of marvel comics like no joke they can’t be killed off, and if marvel does I’m no longer a movie adaptation fan ever again or if they F up the new reboot of the X-men
Agree 100% with Gorr being in a comedy movie. Just didnt fit. Nothing in the movie made me think God Butcher. Just some guy with a sword that can kill gods. All the growth Thor had as well seemed to be turned back to immature Thor.
A sword that can kill gods that's only been shown to kill a single god :/
Although not comic accurate I think Christian Bale did a great job as the Villian just a bad story honestly. The rest cringe
Preach 🙏
Thor kinda seemed like party Thor from the "What if..." series.
Completely agree. I immediately walked out the movie feeling like the tone didn't match the villain, and had a feeling prior to the movie that Gorr would feel like a "villain of the week."
You clowned us but finally realized that if they wouldn't bother make it comic accurate...they wouldn't bother put in effort for his character. Crazy...Taiki is know for this, he should just make comedy.
This!
Taika's show 'our flag means death' has pretty decent pacing and character development. But I agree that in this case, the pacing of this movie and it's actual meaningfulness felt entirely lackluster.
Facts
@@reeseorta3052 Yeah, i loved Jojo Rabbit by Taika. But the comedy made sense because the narrative of the event was coming from that of a child. You can't do the same with Thor because the narration of Thor and Gorr is that of the audience, the audience has to see that this is actually Gorr and develop both the character of Gorr and Thor. All the characters used couldve stayed but make Gorr look like Gorr and don't kill him off because he's way too overpowered to die off like that.
Amazing take I completely agree!
I feel like it's a Disney thing and they are too scared or unwilling to go into darker aspects of certain characters I have a feeling if it wasn't a Disney property it would've been done way differently
But they have no problem pushing the gay Propaganda
I didn't see Gorr butcher any god, kinda disappointed with that. I agree in the comics we didn't see him butchering gods, but his whole presence and depiction was very much a threat.
right?! we didn't see a thing! so disappointing. Marvel only wants family-friendly ratings
He killed his own god at the beginning of the movie.
I just couldn’t believe they used eternity as a wish to bring his fucking daughter back with super powers. There were so many gods who could have granted that wish. The movie really missed the mark
I thought at least Gorr would kill Zeus.
Right?! He didn’t do anything that should have been shown.
They definitely could have shown him actually taking out a few low tier gods atleast. Was still fun but was sadly missing something. His introduction was super cool and overall liked the look they gave him.
As others mentioned the movie was almost to much of a joke sad as Ragnorock was so good.
It reportedly was in there but Disney didn't wanna show him taking out other gods but
It's funny I keep seeing a bunch of people posting comments that are very similar to yours praising Ragnarok and saying this new movie was not serious enough and it was stupid, But I also very much remember when Ragnarok came out I felt like I was the only person who liked that movie because everybody was saying the same things about that movie it wasn't serious enough and it was terrible because of it. I'm starting to feel like none of you guys actually know what you want or like out of these Marvel movies
@@tommystrickland6268 maybe I liked Ragnarok
It was super fun still enjoyed it but something was missing. What that is I don’t quite know.
@@NixonReptiles I never said that you personally did not like Ragnarok I just said that a lot of people when Ragnarok came out shit share the same sentiment that they have now for this new movie And now a couple of years later most people who are criticizing this new movie are also saying that they did like Ragnarok so it's just weird to me, And again I feel like a lot of people who are watching the MCU really like to just watch these movies to criticize them as they come out, If you wanna detail a plot hole that is Really annoying to character development or something I completely understand that but when you just have gripes and complaints about every new movie that comes out It starts making me wonder why a lot of people even watch the movies anymore and again I'm not trying to say that you personally are guilty of this it just seems like you share the same sentiment as a lot of these people
@@tommystrickland6268 I get it for sure and It’s totally possible. Didn’t take the comment personally I know it was an in general.
Just got home from the theatre. If I completely discard the comics I had a lot of great laughs. Unfortunately, a two hour movie felt like 30 minutes of true story. I enjoyed the way they did Jane and Gorr as far as origins. However fitting the entire Jane Foster comic line in one fast paced film felt off. I loved Christian Bales acting, but again the MCU struggles to implement the sheer POWER of these villains. How are we to take Celestials and God’s seriously going forward if they can’t truly scale they’re power correctly to unstudied viewers. This is my raw thoughts immediately after the film. Subject to change. Love to here anyones else’s thoughts. All love Rob!
I liked it even though it wasn't true to the source material, being disney we would never get to see Gorr at his full glory, we got no mention of it being the All Black, just the necrosword which was disappointing, I would have at least expected to see it being taken off of Hela since we got confirmation that her crawn was the Necrosword in What If?, even though in What If? the collector said A Necrosword not The Necrosword, but if he was thinking/knew multiversally then it would only be one of infinite.
My only true disappointment with it overall is that we didn't get much/any info to confirm Knull.
@@user-ep8ns6hg4q just now after reading this noticed they didn’t call it the all black. Pain.
100% agree, especially about the story fitting into the movie. It was fun but.. yeah. There was something that was missing. It didn’t have as many significant moments as Ragnarok did.
Power scaling is a big problem with MCU, especially for villains.
hit the nail on the head
The movie made Gorr look like he wasn't so much a big threat. They should have had Gorr beat Thor silly in the first meeting to establish he is nothing to mess with. Then the severity of the situation would have been shown more
I thought Bale’s portrayal of Gorr was amazing. I liked the ways they adjusted the character for the movie.
In the hands of an actually capable director, he could’ve pulled an Oscar worthy villain out of Gorr. But sadly for everyone, Waititi had to be the one to run this into the ground.
Agree 1000%! I was so excited to see Gorr in the MCU. He’s probably the best written comic book Villains and they completely missed the mark with him. One he wasn’t relatable and two, we didn’t get to see just how brutal and powerful he was. I also would have like some history there to between Gorr and a young Thor.
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To be honest, I don’t care about accuracy. I just wanted him to not look forgettable. Cuz to me, with the history of him and Thor, I see Loki as Thor’s Green Goblin and Gorr as Thor’s Venom. That’s why i say they treated his character the way they treated his character design. Lazy as fuck.
I only know what I know about Gorr because of this channel, and I think I carried that with me into the film and it had pros and cons. On the one hand, I understood the tragedy of Gorr's backstory a little more and so I could extrapolate more empathy out of his character and relate to him more, which made for a more compelling villain for the first act. But the con was, knowing how much more powerful he was in the comics, I kept having that feeling of like "I should be more afraid of him than I am, he should be way more of a threat and this should be drawn out across multiple films not just the one" which lost all the momentum generated in the first act. I didn't think Bale was bad, thought I have a gripe with the makeup, less for the accuracy thing though that is an element..more just because I'm tired of aliens in movies not looking like *aliens*. I'm tired of various shades of pink and blue and grey humanoids, it feels lazy, uncreative, and like a cost-cutting measure more than artistic direction.
spot on with everything....agreed.
There's a series on UA-cam that voice acts the gorr storyline. I suggest you give it a try for a couple minutes, listen to how gorr sounds and what he actually says.i think it's called gorr the godbomb motion comic or something.. It's incredible dude honestly..
Oh and a note on the villain thing, every good character in the Pro Wrestling space is a Heel. You need a good heel/villain to make the Heroes story feel better and be meaningful. They for sure need to put more into them.
Marvel is currently doing this. The villains name is The Scarlett Witch.
@@booming_systems757 scarlet witch wasn't that good of a villain though there are many issues with her character in mom but what annoys me the most about the way she was written in the movie was her power consistency i mean at one moment she can erase the mouth of a character that is well known to be op but then have a hard time fighting a strong hero with a shield and a wizard that is above her and also a teenager who barely knows how to use her power
Spoiler warning: I think this film would have been MUCH better with more screen time. Seeing Gorr kill gods before thor got notice, watching him fight sif, or more time with Jane getting used to being Thor would have made it top notch. (TBF I am biased cause "villain wins but not the way they expect to" is my favorite trope)
You're exactly right, and the fact that it was originally a 4-Hour movie and got cut all the way down to this mess is just sad. By the sounds of it we could have had more time with jane, more time with the guardians, more time exploring Gore before Thor... It felt like so much of the movie got cut down for jokes or to make the movie more fast-paced, fun and lively
I feel like Gorr would have been a good sobering villain. Start off with comedic and silly stuff but end with Gorr maybe not winning but surviving. Where the end is sad but then you realize he survived and was coming back.
He would have been a good guy to keep him around for 3 movies.
I've said similar elsewhere. This could've been the perfect opportunity to drag it away from the comedy a good bit and set some stakes. I enjoyed the movie but I probably won't watch more than once or twice
This guy never just says he's wrong for his approach, he doubles down.
Who Rob or Taika?
@@WesYes yes
@@WesYes Both.
@@LeagueofThieves he's right though
[LMAO] We said this movie is gonna suck or underwhelm because these movies feel like high budget "sitcom". Post Endgame, all Marvel movies are forgettable. The plot is always all over the place. Very much underwhelming.
Gor should’ve been a two part movie. It may seem a bit irrational to say but if you know about Gorr and how much of a bad ass he was in the comics plus most ppl felt we needed more screen time from him it makes sense. Marvel feels rushed and this movie is another example. It feels like we’re getting more quantity and less quality. This was a villain who could’ve fixed that by expanding. They said before final cut he movie is like 4 hours.
or they should've used someone else. The Serpent (Cul Borson) would've been a much better choice. Although I prefer a more serious tone, at least you can play with the concepts of "love vs fear" there.
This what I thought they were going to do
I kinda agree with you and split it into two focused on Jane story and the Thor vs gorr hints the love and thunder part's. The love of Jane and her death then gorr full backstory and the three Thor's would have been awesome
So when they announced Gorr I just loved the idea of seeing this alien Freddy Krueger/Michael Myers like demon character fighting Thor in live action not because I wanted the exact comic look!! But because I’ve wanted to see our heroes go up against they more freaky aliens!! Hearing those say they didn’t want another Voldemort looking character which he didn’t need to just having the freaky eyes they didn’t look like Sith eyes but more like a demon is something I loved!! I just feel they could have done that!! Why’ll still letting us see CB’s face still!!
The MCU needs to hire Rob. Rob alone is more than enough than the entire creative team who thinks up what goes in these movies. #TheMCUNeedsRob #SaveTheMCURob
I said that 7 years go. They won't Marvel and D.C are to corporate and to agena driven.
Rob kinda simps for the MCU as it is, so what would be different?
@@marcusdavis5599 Could u do better?
Nahhh man.. Rob gets lost in he's own hype. Its mostly hype. Rob would have thrown the living tribunal in there 😂
If that ever happens, despite Rob’s passion & vast knowledge of lore, they will still set guidelines & boundaries & he must work within them. They will definitely stifle his creativity.
This makes the best Gorr still and undefeated champion: Helmut Zemo. He had the same motivations as Gorr only he executed it much better.
Thor 4 is a waste of a movie. I knew right away they were going to waste Gorr considering Jane’s Thor was going to be in the movie and Marvel didn’t do anything amazing with Gorr in the movie. Why cast someone as Bale to just kill him and that’s it… it’s pretty much Malekith 2.0. Malekith had more screeentime and if we are going by evil characters in the MCU then Johann Schmidt aka Red Skull played by Hugo Weaving was the most evil character besides Arnin Zola and Baron Wolfgang Von Strucker played by Thomas Kretschmann which were also wasted characters.
Thor in his solo movies is terrible and a complete clown. The Russo brothers were the ones that did justice to Thor in Avengers Infinity War & Endgame.
They honestly could have just made it into a tv show, making it like invincible, with the comedy, but slowly getting darker, with us learning of the God’s, from Thor, and Jane’s adventures, as the comedic side of the series, but also through Gorr. Gorr could have been telling the stories of the God’s he’s killing or torturing, with us hearing of how mighty they were, learning of their pros, and cons while seeing them at their lowest point, with Gorr, and his army just humiliating them.
I was really worried when they announced Gorr was the villain with Taika as the director. Sadly, nothing about this looks or feels like anything close to what I was hoping. They should not have handed Wahtiti the keys to this story.
But rob says looks don’t matter lol his opinion is what matters here.
They could give Taika Deadpool but nothing else.
@@jimmyjam5453 There are some other goofy characters that would be a good fit for him as well but he is certainly one that would fit.
The biggest letdown was how weak Gorr was. He should've been fearsome more than an emo character
I was thinking that animation would have been the better medium for his story
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Yeah I kind of agree, however Thor Dark World fan's reaction fucked serious Thor forever. I also think the balance between comedy and seriousness needs to be recalibrated in the Thor movies. This movie would be great if it were more like The winter soldier.
Gorr, I'm going to be honest, I wanted his comic book accurate appearance, because when you have aliens that look just like humans, it just seems too boring, because even though you know that they are NOT human, it just seems like a human vs human fight, with powers, so for an alien to have a unique design, it kind of drew me in more, and personally I wanted that, however he was changed, and since I can't do anything that I can do, then I just accept it, I won't exactly like it, but I will accept it. Now I'm not saying that changes are bad, like Darren Cross, being YellowJacket, instead of Hank Pym from the Comics, I'll be honest, that was awesome, I really, really liked it, at least that is my opinion, so not all changes are bad, but when you have a big Comic thing like the story with Gorr, that just drew people in, and had a lot of hype, like, "Oh my god, he is slaughtering thousands of Gods, what can Thor do !?" You want something like that hype, and so you stick to the original.
If they can't get his look right why would anyone believe they would get the back story correct? Asking for a friend.
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THANK YOU! I don’t understand how is this such a hard concept
His look coulda been a 1-1 match and the movie woulda been no better/more fun because of this…
Gorr shouldn't have died, they should have kept for future movies and needed more scenes with him actually butchering gods, there's so many parts of the comic they could have kept and adapted without ruining the comedic aspect of the movie
Hopefully, Marvel doesn't fall off
Gorr looks good in the film. However I still prefer comic accuracy over adapting. Unless it somehow can’t work but that is rare in my opinion.
I think they needed at least 1 scene where he went around murking all kinds of gods and then show more if his people and him suffering and praying with no avail before he found the necro sword
So true, the movie was way to comical. I never once felt like like maybe someone important was going to die. And moments that should have been dark and serious were wasted with jokes. That's Marvel's issue right now everything needs to be funny and no it doesn't.
Sense of urgency is non existent mf iron man villains were more of a threat than gorr
Bale did good with the cards he was dealt…still think they did Gorr dirty in the movie. Totally neutered him. He was too Joker-ish. He had no rage. His conviction wasn’t portrayed strongly enough. He’s a fraction of the comic version. The movie has bigger problems than Gorr’s portrayal but that was probably the biggest let down for me. My favorite villain maybe ever and is so forgettable once he gets his moment on the big screen. Bummed.
I agree to a point. I think it’s important to at least try to stay as close to the source material as possible. I think they got close enough with Gorr. But the movie borders on slapstick and I agree that killed his potential to be a good villain.
I am okay with what we got. Its a very watered down version but how do you fit Gorr's epic SAGA in one movie and still have it line up with MCU timeline? people want comic book villains than go read comic books. everyone is setting themselves up for failure and disappointment.
@@Chrisvilla767 I know nothing about Gorr other than what was presented in this movie and I really don't care to know anything more after watching this. It was a C grade MCU movie. Sounds like Gorr could have been bad ass but what I saw in the movie didn't make me give a shit one way or another about the character.
I was really hoping to see multiple Thors similar to the comics. Also wished he could have been more menacing looking and showing him kill more of those gods. The kids part felt super forced as well. Felt the movie was short handed and too over simplified. It had some really good elements but just wasn't capitalized enough. The runtime should have been a little longer too. Ragnorok did everything better and was a lot more balanced. I definitely would have waited longer for this movie had they upped the quality some more.
People don't about how Gorr looks, they care about the fact that the movie was absolutely horrible.
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If you don't put in the effort to accurately depict him, why would the audience expect the writing to be anything but disappointing?
@@betterlatethannever4529 Because they are roles entrusted to entirely different people, is perhaps why. Also expectation is one thing, results are another; an accurate look would not have improved the movie overall, for how much of it even comprised Gorr. Writers don’t design. 🙂
@@StaminaMC that's the responsibility of the director to keep everyone on the same page.
@@betterlatethannever4529 And they were. Just not the same page as you. :)
You really summed up what people are feeling and that is the fact that these films are forgetting the ACTION!!! What makes these films great is that the stakes are high and heroes can die.
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I definitely agree with Gorr being underutilized. marvel should try to assess what characters & arcs/stories they’re going to use before hand & then find a director who’s style fits that. We are getting to a point where now it’s starting to get to be a problem for not only comic book lovers but also the general public. End of the movie feels like it goes against what Gorr stood for in general. Still had fun tho 7/10
This story actually gave Gorr some character growth though and showed exactly why Thor is worthy, he understood where Gorr was coming from, he received the same treatment from Zues as Gorr received from his god (which imo was a better introduction for Gorr than the comic, in the comic he seems like a moron getting pissed at the gods for being too busy getting killed than helping his people) and Gorr realized not all gods are the same, Thor is the type of god he could believe in.
While the movie wasn't true to the source material (wasn't expecting it to be that true with Taika directing), but it definitely felt like a comic book movie and was on par with Thors cosmic adventures. It felt like I was actually watching a Thor comic in live action, with the exception that Thor comics usually lack comic relief (and it's usually provided by an outside character not Thor, I wish we would have gotten the Hall of Murder scene with an entire wing devoted to Odin scene) and have a couple big moments, I think they completely overlooked the reason for Thor being able to defeat Gorr is because his powers mimic the sing of the anvil and fires of the forge, which the earlier/earliest (the all back) versions of symbiotes are weak to.
@@user-ep8ns6hg4q what are you on about? They disrespected Gorr.
I agree with you Rob. Felt like Gorr could've easily been a 2 to 3 part film.
Last film being his ending. The film wasn't bad but the way they killed him off and not showing his true potential power was disappointing
I agree with Rob, it was kinda what I pointed on my last comment in past video. And yes, Marvel Studios does not know any longer how to handle their villains specially when they have depth as Gorr, and to handle that awesome Jason Aaron milestone arc to someone like Taika Waititi, was a huuuuuuuuge mistake
The execution was done decently. There wasn’t enough development of the character, but in reality he was the best part of Thor L&T. I agree the comic Gorr was incredible, but I really still enjoyed Christian bales depiction.
The other big problem with the movie is that we were constantly *told*, not *shown*, that Gorr is a badass. We didn’t see any of the kills or fights against the other gods. Contrast this with Batman The Dark Knight, and we SEE how serious of a threat The Joker is. Both single run films that had to establish a major villain threat and only one did it well.
Totally agree with Gorr needing to be in a non comedy movie. The comedy made light of Gorr and what he went through, Jane and the chemo she was going through, and the struggle with Thor and the reality of needing to leg Jane go. Love the link you made with Gorr and Heath Ledger's Joker. Never thought of that before!
Gorr wanting to use a wish machine to be used for evil while the hero uses it for not reviving a close loved one and instead for someone they barely know but has larger implications for the greater universe is literally Dragonball Evolution.😭
I think gorr was the only one capable to make the wish . Or thats how i kind of remember it not sure
He was the first to get there after all, which according to Zeus was how the wish worked. And had it played out as you suggest, Thor wouldn't have really won anyway. Gorr would be vindicated as Thor would have just used the wish for his own interests as expected of any of the other gods.
Really glad a creator actually has the same view as me in phase 4. I’ve constantly felt that I was just negative with the recent projects. I love the funny the MCU brings because sometimes DC is too dark and gloomy, but never have I wanted a pure comedy movie. Great video and explanation👍🏻👍🏻
Definitely wasn't what it could've been. Maybe the folks over at Marvel just didn't think Gorr was someone they wanted to push as a true top villain🤷🏾♂️
Even though it's tough, this is what the MCU has done for quite awhile at this point, and unfortunately I'm kind of getting used to it, maybe everyone else should too.
Well I'm not going to keep spending my hard earned currency on this if that is the direction the MCU is going in. Skip getting used to it!
@@svp2010 I'm honestly confident that some part of this is deliberate. That when Doom or Galactus or Apocalypse etc. someone on their level (even though Kang is great, I personally dont think he's THAT guy) finally appears, that they'll be taken care of with the utmost respect to their comic counterpart.
The MCU can be funny, because for those that it seems they don't deem worthy, the writing tends to be very sloppy and thrown together, instead of working to make that particular character BETTER, they try to make them make the audience laugh (case and point, Thor, Hulk, War Machine etc.)
However for those they do think have the potential to be THAT guy, they go all in and have produced some of the best, most identifiable characters cinema has ever seen (Iron Man, Thanos etc.)
My point is, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Because as far as phase 4 has come, it really seems that besides Spidey, who isn't fully their property, the MCU just hasn't found THAT guy on either side, hero or villain. However I suspect that when they do find who they wanna focus on, we'll see the turn around from fans and the overall quality of the MCU skyrocket once more.
So wait for it on blue ray???
I gotta agree with you on this Rob. I just watched the film last night and just kept feeling like Gorr just didn’t feel like Gorr. However, Christian Bale did do a fantastic job as Gorr with how he was portrayed & written.
Marvel has a strange new habit of cutting it short 'cause both Dr Strange 2 and Thor 4 feel rushed. Thor 4 has so much potential with all the ideas it introduces, but it's all undercut for comedy or skipped over for time which is why Gorr is underdeveloped
I'm sure there's a lot of contractual chaos among other things going on behind the scenes that people aren't considering. I strongly believe they chose the "multiverse of madness" to make up for those issues. Like everythings mad and nobody knows where this is going for certain (including them)
@@davontihoward9038 I agree
We'll have to see what their plan is as time goes on, but I have my doubts
Rob, when you bring a comics characters to life we should always, always be able to tell who they are when you see them. They can make some changes but if they are changed so much that you can't recognize them that's a failure.
Reading Gorr's stories i always had it in my mind that it would be a dark movie. A movie like infinity war where not everyone makes it and it ends on a losing note for the heroes. I also thought Gorr would be this guy who wouldn't let anyone get in his way. Not even his ghost form of his kids.
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All great points Rob. How can you be called Gorr the "God Butcher" and yet we did not see a lot of that in the movie. Secondly, while he was dangerous there was not that feeling of spine tingling dread being felt whenever he was on screen. Marvel really needs to work on their villains because it is the one area where DC is far superior.
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They butchered the story of the god butcher. Thor: The God Butcher & Thor: The God Bomb, are one of Thor's best stories. This could have easily been one of the best comic movies had they just stuck with the source material. It could have even been a 2 part movie. Hate to see Gorr butchered like this... dood!
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The way I describe it to folks is this:
The things people griped about for Thor: Ragnarok are the issues I have with this movie.
Though still enjoyable, there was too much comedy for dealing with a villain like Gorr. That was a spot on analysis for me.
I agree with you, friend. But I feel if they made Thor 4 darker, a lot of people would complain that it's "too dark" or "not safe for kids", like quite a lot of critics said about Thanos.
As soon as he killed the god that he stumbled across with what seemed like ease, with no justification and what seemed a bit silly on how they went about it... I knew that this character wasn't going to get any justice in the film. I would have wanted to see just 5 minutes of his people suffering and dying, all the while begging their God for mercy. Just to see Gorr stumble across the necrosword and then making his choice to become the god butcher by killing that god savagely. But they didn't even show him battling gods :/ Gorr was relatable in some sense though lol but in the film, I didn't really sympathize with him in the film the same way I did in the comics. I wanted to root for him but obviously he would lose. he just wasn't as developed in the film as he was in the comics. I hope there's an extended cut of this film.
I liked the movie though lol but I'm with you 100%
The movie was just ok Ragnarok is still the best
We only got to see one god die and I’m so disappointed
Lol, what are you talking about? Gorr was being strangled to death by the guy and if he didn't kill him, he would have killed Gorr.
The whole scene presents that god as vile and vain, and totally deserving of his end.
@@nm2358 What are you talking about. My whole point is that we only got to see one God die the entire movie and it was the one in the beginning. All I’m saying is that we should have seen him kill more rather than being told I would have liked to have been shown
I felt that, as a Father, I empathised to this version of Gorr more as a villain. It was different, but I felt it was different in a good way. I’m more than satisfied with the writing and performance.
bale did fantastic with what he had [story nose and no headtails]
10:53 yes. As many might have a problem with the second and third matrix film, people love how well written Smith is as an enjoyable villian. Complex especially as he was a program, but people love him. People love Kingpin from the Netflix series because of how deep his character is. Turning villians into an utter joke just makes the film an utter joke.... Losing to a dance battle no matter what villian that might be is an utter joke
My hope is that we were just introduced to Gorr, and we get to deal with Gorr variants that go even harder. But I'd also LOVE a Christian Bale lead Gorr miniseries where we see his descent into madness and some proper butchering of Gods.
The villains should always ne more important and intriguing, they need to drive the story
My problem was the tone. It was a Guardians of the Galaxy type comedy. Gor the God Butcher was a very dark and serious comic book run and this movie turned it into a slapstick comedy. I wish it was given the seriousness it deserves. Edit....sounds like I'm not the only one that didn't care for the tone of the film as a comedy rather than a tragedy.
I’ll say it once again.
Change Gorr’s look, but don’t undersell his character.
Keep Gorr’s look so he’s at least decent looking if you’re gonna yet again screw up a Thor villain.
What’s with aliens looking human tho? Something Rob doesn’t talk about, his opinion is the only right way. 🙄
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Here’s the thing. My one thing when it comes to this mindset be it kryptonians, viltrumites, saiyans and so on. Why do humans think they’re the only ones who can evolve into this general form? Earth is one of thousands of worlds in any given universe after all.
That said, don’t change something that works. It only waters down someone. This would be like making Galactus into a 10ft dude w/o his helmet because it might be too much for the GA to accept a 100ft world eater with a bucket hat.
@@SuperShanko they did it with thanos, he looked completely different the first time they showed him. They made him more human like. I’m sure it’s gonna happen with galactus.
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Well Galactus only looks human because he’s being seen by humans, so that won’t matter much there. It’s just a matter of him being 50ft tall or not.
People often disagree when I say this but X-Men: Apocalypse needed to be TWO FILMS you need the first film to set up his backstory, make the audience sympathize with him to a degree before plunging Apocalypse into the darkness he basks in during the second film . Gorr needed the same treatment this movie should've been HIS STORY with Thor (Chis Helmsworth) being someone who really only makes a hand full of appearances just to establish what Thor is doing while Gorr is laying waste to all the other gods and I personally think Chris Helmsworth could've been cut entirely. It would've been far more interesting to have Jane Foster: The Mighty Thor being a scientist almost AGREE with Gorr about the uselessness of Gods like she doesn't know the horrors he committed but travels with him because he seeks to restore the life of his daughter which Jane finds noble.
I agree it should have been two movies, but you don’t need the first one basically all about Gorr. They need to give Gorr much more time though. Hell, even have Jane somewhat agree with Gorr about the gods. Especially since she has cancer and then seeing the Gods in person she can see how unworthy they are.
Sadly, this is the first time I’ve felt let down by a Marvel MCU movie.
Multiverse of madness sealed the deal for me. I am still excited for ant man 3 but my expectations are extremely low
Yeah no..... Multiverse of Madness was a DAMN GOOD movie, you just went into the movie with assumptions and expectations and close minded, that movie is top 5 mcu, leave that movie alone
Great video Rob, I 100% agree this should have been a much more serious movie and Gorr should have been presented much more menacing and powerful
Marvel should really try to write a movie in a similar way to how Taxi driver, Memento or even You the tv show was written… it would be super interesting to see and feel the struggles and the tragedy of a villain like gorr for instance where it’s more ambiguous about where the character we are following stands in the greater context of the universe. For example, you don’t realize that you’re following this villains origin story until the end when you and the character become privy to new information that reveals a huge answer about where they stand in relation to the rest of the established universe or even less subtly a hero you recognizes shows up in the third act or even in the final scene that connects it to the rest of the cinematic universe. From there you can even have a sequel about the clash between this villain character you actually care about to a degree (because you followed them for a whole movie) and another previously established character from the universe that you already know. It would have so much for emotion and conflict having both sides so fleshed out without their purpose being so reliant and dependent on the others existence. The codependency of hero’s to villains and villains to heroes is old and stale. Too often it seems like villains/characters are created simply to be an obstacle for an already established character and to me that’s starting to feel cheap.
I understand what you mean about being comic book accurate when it comes to appearance, especially with someone looking as unique as Gorr, but also understand if they're not willing to respect the look of a character, the likelihood of them also respecting the very character itself seems low. Shame, cause Gorr is one of those characters you HAVE to get right.
Agreed, when Gorr was announced for this film this was my worry. Shame. He's one of the stories that reinvigorated my love of comics and what they could be.
Taika Waititi is quoted as saying “I’ll ruin your mythos in a minute, baby.” What did everyone expect? His Star Wars movie is going to be goofy as hell.
How is hating on Thor L&T the popular thing to do, when ALMOST ALL popular comic movie review channels are saying it’s good? Maybe the people are tired of the cap. I’m an MCU STAN and I almost walked out of Thor L&T. In the beginning of the movie, Thor literally rode Storm Breaker like The Wicked Witch of the West!!
Please stop gaslighting fans. A blind man can see that Thor L&T was GARBAGE. Thor 4 is the modern day “Batman & Robin.” And I hate to say it, but I’m finally concerned about the future of the MCU.
Listening to you Gor sounds like what would have happened if Job had gone insane from his suffering. I haven't read the comics or seen the movie but I would be upset if they went lite on that. He doesn't compare to Thanos as far as I can tell. They have different motivations and would act completely different. Gor would be more of a horror villain. Dark. Gor should be saying exactly why he feels the way he does and his exacting retribution would be cold and brutal. For Thor to defeat him he'd have to look deep and even then I think it would be very difficult and Thor would end up in bad shape. He wouldn't be the perfect glorious hero at the end of that battle. There'd be damage.
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You’re spot on Rob! Spot on! I felt with Gorr they had the potential to make a two part movie, where the first ends with Thor being beaten or captured by Gorr to give a cliffhanger to Thor 5. And that’s where he over comes Gorr and has a newfound understanding of what it means to be a God. Would have been a great way to end the Thor character arc. But Marvel doesn’t know what to do with villains.
I agree. After watching your videos and breakdown of Gorr, I was really excited to see him in live action and thought Marvel was going to make him one of my favorite villains but I never felt like Thor was in trouble but rather felt the focus of the film was Thors relationship with Jane…which was great but Gorr felt like a back story. I wanted to be on his side while at the same time feeling like he had to be stopped, but rather I felt he just had bad luck, went crazy and needed to be stopped. More scenes of Gorr from his perspective along with him killing gods and why while still building on the relationship with Jane and Thor probably would have been great. I didn’t really connect with Gorr like I thought I would. Like I did with Thanos until End Game. Hope that makes sense.
Marvel should introduce their villains in their own separate movie before facing off with the heroes, just to give the audience the feel of how big of a threat they really are, then have them face off in a hero movie. Would be nice to see how they got so powerful and menacing before they get killed off. Christian Bale was amazing with what he was given in this film.
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Thank you so much for this video. Finally some who has some prominence on UA-cam acknowledges this. No reasonable person cares about the comic book look accuracy, but this movie was a missed opportunity to show a deeper side to the mcu.
Totally totally agree with your take on how they presented Gorr. The movie wasn't serious enough to present a villain like Thor.
I know this is off topic but the reason why Majin Buu was a super incredible threat, was because he was unpredictably powerful and was basically like fighting a balloon that never pops but could hit you with the force of a truck.
I don’t care about the look of Gorr. They just did his story so dirty it’s such a waste of a good character. It’s so disrespectful to the original writer.
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When he was in the movie, Gorr was quite good...The problem is that he's not in the movie enough. Also, as good as Natalie Portman was in this movie, Jane Foster should not have been in this movie. That should've been its own movie. If they had focused on setting up Gorr's backstory a little more, instead of reintroducing Jane, Sif, and Valkyrie (and introducing a new character in Heimdall's son), then this movie could've been a great movie. As it is, I enjoy this movie a lot. I'm gonna go see it again before I give it a score, though
Agree. The post credit for this movie should've been the lead-in to Jane's movie, just like the comics.
I totally agree Rob. I came out of the movie thinking the comedy aspects just felt weird in relation to the concepts they're showing on screen. I would have liked to see Gorr going around killing more gods sure, but I think you're right in just showing him killing more god's wouldn't have helped. They needed to show how Gorr and Thor are opposites.
Also I was REALLY hoping they wouldn't kill Gorr and I was even more surprised/confused how they just blew up the necro sword.
Your right Rob, I hope the makers of marvel are not losing their creative steam. I always thought that the mcu overall story, and trying to keep all its connectivity between stories, would eventually get to hard, and they could potentially fail. It wasn't a bad movie just wasn't what I expected.
They rushed the beginning, that was the only real flaw, comedy or not, they could have fleshed out Gorrs backstory. It just felt like obligatory villain origin without any heart
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This film needed another 30-40 minutes to build up Gorr and the storyline more. I honestly didn't mind the comedy, even though it was a bit too much. The main problem was they sacrificed story and character building just to spend more time on comedy. And that made the film unfulfilling. They theoretically could have done both had they made it 30 - 40 minutes longer.
But also , Taiki is clearly not the best at blending moods.
Your take is exactly right. I wish the Sony Marvel Universe would focus more on the empathy of the villains. It should focus on humanizing their actions. That would really get us paying attention to the Sony universe.
Rob! You should be hired as a consultant on future MCU projects! Plain and simple! This movie had so much potential.
The problem for me is ever since the first iron man film is that heroes are killing off their villains. My favorite villians that I really like that felt like badasses in their own way are 1.Thanos 2.Killmonger 3.Hela 4.The Vulture and 5.Green Goblin
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Totally agree with you. Thor was never even hurt in the film, felt like gorr wasnt a treat at all.
You NAILED every single complaint I had with this movie. I had a good time with it, but Gorr is not the type of villain that belongs in a comedy simply due to his backstory and ideology. That’s why the film felt kind of jarring to me.
I really respect Rob approach to saying everything he can possibly say without saying “I didn’t like it”. I’ve basically have taken the same approach anyone asks me because everyone I’ve talked to is excited about Love and Thunder. I remember watching this movie last Thursday and thinking to myself 45 minutes in, “They’ve gotta take Thor out of Taika Waititi’s hands”. Now, I read comics as I’m sure most of Rob’s viewers are also comic book readers. I never want to be “Well in the comics” guy because they’re the worst kind of people. You should enjoy these movies for what they are because it’s a separate universe. With this said, as a comic reader, this has to the one time we’ve gotta be disappointed. This video by Rob was well done and to add to it, Thor also had a history with Gorr. If I remember right, Gorr was captured at one point in Odin’s Dungeon when he was a kid and Thor snuck down there was Gorr creepily spoke to Thor and it actually scared him. I hope I’m remember this right but that’s the kind of seriousness and creepiness I wanted to see because Thor’s not really scared of much.
Random idea that I had: you could actually have Gorr return, and he be the Gorr that no one ended up taking seriously and he wiped his universe of the gods and goddesses. Then he learns about the multiverse, and that is the Gorr that is more along the lines of the comics version and it takes everyone Thor knows and more to stop him
This should have been 2 movies. Within the 1st movie tell two stories. The story of Gorr and the story of Thor. In that story maybe have the giant GOd that was Thors friend involved more in this story. This movie could have been fun and lighter. But I would say Involve Beta ray bill and maybe the enchantress. That would be on the Thors side then on the other side develop and see why he is called the God Butcher and actualy show him slaying some gods. Maybe have the 1st movie end when they meet and end just as Gorr killed the Giant God. Thor in a Rage rushes at GOrr and the movie ends just before they clash. Thor 5 would be the bad ass clash we've been wanting to see. Thor gets his ass handed to him and barely escapes with his life. He realizes that He could actually die. That tone should carry throughout the film with Gorr seeking to use the God Bomb. Then eventually he and beta ray bill and some Gods from thor 4 gets massacared trying to take him down With Thor ulitmately winning but at the cost of the life of Sif and Korg. All that would be left would be are the two brothers in arms.,Beta Ray bill and Thor. or something like that. its 12 am and im hitting the sack. Sleepy thoughts. Just saw the movie today and while I liked it just fine They should have had more gravitas and less jokes. I think Tiaka should step down and do the FF or antman which would be more his speed at this point.
I loved Christian Bales design. The final battle felt a bit more realistic than it should’ve been. I think the comic book design would’ve been a bit distracting. He actually looked terrifying. And his emotion in the beginning and end was just perfect.