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- Namor is coming to the MCU! There have been some leaks online recently regarding the character of Namor making his first appearance in the MCU and what that would look like exactly. Are they changing his origin to differentiate him from DC's Aquaman? In this video, "Black Panther 2: They're Changing Namor's Origin?", I go over the Namor leaks and discuss why I think these tweaks to the Namor character are being made. What do you guys think? Are you excited to see Namor appear in Black Panther 2? As always, let me know your thoughts down in the comments below!
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I don’t think we need the fully detailed history of Atlantis in the movie. Look at Wakanda for example. We got less then five minutes of their history and everyone was good with it. Having Atlantis in the MCU would be a good fit because most people already have a general understanding of the myth of Atlantis.
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exactly, easier to build off what's there than try to make something new. I don't get the logic here at all.
Maybe no Atlantis history, but connecting it to fallen city of Tenochtitlan in South America was never in the comics and frankly makes little sense! Why reinvent the wheel, better off leaving it alone, Atlantis was a mythical mystical lost place in human history.
Absolutely right 👍
Agreed, and this contradicts itself as to why there would be any change to an established character's backstory. The "bait and switch" tends to piss of fans of the comics. Who are they making this stuff for?
Hearing it's based on the Aztec city of Tenochtitlan, which stood on top of a lake. They had really advanced water sytems, which I can see why they went that direction. Really interesting and cool imo
Except Tenochtitlan is…Mexico City today.
Which means the MCU Earth has no Mexico, right?
Los Atlantes de Tula .... Sounds Good
@@mariomouse8265 I mean it's only based on it. I'm assuming the actual location will be like the gulf of mexico
@@lordalex695 LOL no one would EVER be able to find it, not like it's in between land masses in every direction but one right? so fucking dumb.
I’m hoping that a dead Celestial head and hand sticking out of the ocean will somehow tie into Namor and Atlantis.
If atlantis is a celestial head thatd be awesome
I garentee it wont these writers need to actually look at wtf is going on in the MCU and show that these stories actually happened. Like theres a whole ass celestial in the ocean none of these shows/movies have even referenced yet
Great point lol
I’m hoping that a dead Celestial head and hand sticking out of the ocean will just be mentioned again. It’s a big deal that no one in the MCU seems to care about.
To be fair...
*** Multiverse Of Madness spoilers, though rather vague, except for a character name that's likely in a trailer
It's entirely unclear when Doctor Strange 2 takes place. And I honestly don't think Stephen would care. Nor would America, since she's not from that world.
I think it's definitely possible for them to explain all that in a 15-minute movie segment. You just explained it in a 9-minute segment of this video so I think its for sure doable.
I thought the same thing.
Yeah let's not spend 15 minutes completely detracting from the movie to explain something that has nothing to do with the plot and would essentially be an exposition dumb that people and critics will point out and use against the movie.
I would rather them save the lore for namors own movie
@@UltraSteelix 💯 agree!
@@thecollector77 So you basically want an Eternals II with a 15 minute exposition dump that is a tangent from the main story.
Surviving dehydration by drinking your own urine doable. Doesn't mean you want to do it.
I think they may be using the "atlantis was a part of the americas" idea, which is one of the debated/speculated locations for the landmass. It's one of the less popular theories of where atlantis was.
Yeah, because the stories are from Ancient Greece, mainly. Plato or Socrates or someone had mentioned it was "between the horns" or something, so it's most likely it wasn't far from Greece since one of those philosophers supposedly saw it, or at least knew enough about it to describe the location.
@@Paradox-es3bl the kingdom of Princess Namora might be at the equator (Latitude 0°, Longitude 0°) which could be where the underwater earthquake mentioned in "Avengers: Endgame" happened
Lol comic books are not real life. they're changing his origin. doesn't matter the reasoning IRL this is the comicbook universe not real life.
@@Paradox-es3bl it was Plato as Socrates didn't leave any writings. It's likely Thera or modern day Santorini as it lies past the Pillars of Hercules, on the Peloponnese as classical Greeks didn't know about modern day Gibraltar
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 America is Atlantis in real life
I like it. If you remember also in Black Panther “Wakanda was thought to be El Dorado”. So if “Atlantis” is actually the ancient submerged city of Tlālōcān that makes sense. In addition Aztec culture would be a perfect fit for Namor’s brutality and leadership style
MORE LIKE OLMEC CULTURE. AZTEC IS NOT THAT OLD OF A CIVILIZATION.
By submerged does that mean that it fell down to the sea?
@@winningblack5112 yea aztecs were only dominate in the 1200s to1400s, to new of a culture.. Anahuac is the civilization that includes everything from the olmeca to the aztecs. Pyramid building and corn and those common practices.
When the mcu changes things from the comics, they usually screw things up. Atlantis doesn’t need a backstory on the big screen, everyone knows Atlantis.
I hope Disney got all of the Namor rights from Universal so they can make Namor projects and explore Atlantean history.
Universal still has the distribution rights to namor and the hulk. Namor will probably only be used in other heroes films or maybe he can have his own solo series which will be very expensive considering practical and cgi underwater effects.
@@Duma2011 that is true, but Marvel Studios haven't actually confirmed that the rights to Hulk and Namor have reverted back to Marvel yet
Alantis ain't a thing in the MCU
@@cvo7617 it was referenced in both 2010'a "Iron Man 2" and 2019's "Avengers: Endgame" even if it wasn't mentioned
@@cvo7617 literaly shown in the back of the end credit scene in iron man 2 with wakanda
And referenced in endgame with underwatter earthquakes close to wakanda
Not gonna lie, I’m kind of skeptical in Marvel Studios’ decision to not recast T’Challa. I understand that it’s to pay respects to Chadwick Boseman playing Black Panther, but it’s Black Panther and Namor we’re talking here. The two best rivals in Jonathan Hickman’s Avengers/New Avengers run. The bitterness between the two is what I loved about both. I just hope they make it up with giving us a good story in Wakanda Forever.
They shouldn’t have killed Killmonger smh
@@yawanathanjoseph8160 Theres always the multiverse
Did u see the movie yet? U don't know if someone else is taking the black panther mantle
And more than that, T’Challa is one of the smartest characters in the Marvel Universe (even though they don’t show him that way in the MCU). He’s got physical prowess, top-tier intellect, and a moral code. It’s just throwing away a great character if they don’t keep some form of T’Challa around, imo.
@@bori1986 Reported by Disney that their wasn’t going to be a replacement for the role… he’s just taking them up on good faith
I don't mind them connecting Namor to Meso-American indigenous cultures. My issue with this is what seems to be the chronology of it. I want Atlantis or whatever stand in society to be at least as old if not older than Wakanda in-universe.
It could be older than Wakanda (depending on how they do that)
Wakanda is 10s of thousands of years old within the realm of the mcu. Which is before the eternals. So I doubt it but who knows
It was stated that it was millions years when the vibranium asteroid hit Africa and different tribes gather in that one state and made wakanda. So if Atlantis was around billions thn sure
@@ampocalypsew3883 that might work
@@watsonsmith4126 Imo their should be three great kingdom around that time, Wakanfa, Atlantas, and the Shang Chi village or if they want the iron fist dragon temple thing. Wakanda and Atlantas have been rivals for millions of years but suddenly the county was obliterated, which they believe.
Namor is such a complex character that stretches Marvel history from the Invaders, Defenders, Avengers, X-Men, Cabal, Illuminati etc. He is truly a powerhouse. I hope they stay consistent with his comic book power set.
they're changing his origin so highly doubt it.
C’mon you know they have to Nerf him. Comics Namor would beat the breaks off MCU’s ver of Thor or Hulk 😂
Knowing the M.She.U, they'll eventually turn him into a woman, nonbinary, or replace him all together with a better female version...
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 That's not confirmed it's just a "leaked" rumor but IF that does turn out to be true an origin change wouldn't really affect his power set
@@eddiebrock1068 If they can change his origin with little to no resistance from fans, why not his powers? His status in his society, etc?
I feel that marvel should not change the origin of Namor and Atlantis. Namor was created 1st in 1939 and Aquaman in 1941. This may allow for movie fans to dig into the history, this may be a way to gain fans. By changing things up and looking into Namor in the comics will cause confusion.
You put too much faith in the general audience caring enough to research it. I do agree with you though.
I love the fact that they may be using the Mayan culture to be the background for Namor.
No offense but I don't. No need to turn it into something else from the original origin.
@@williamclancy5596 who cares. It's a great idea.
@thambone30 Im soo excited as well it’s going to be awesome and I’m going to enjoy the tears of those hating…..
It’s annoying. They now will cast a mexican actor to play namor. I feel like they did this in purpose for the sake of “inclusion”. I’m still salty for the fact that they casted a Mexican teen to play America Chavez, who is suppose to be Puerto Rican not mexican.
@@incomments2864 you are annoying.
They need to recast T'Challa. We are missing out on so much without having T'Challa. I'm sure there will be a Black Panther, but if it isn't T'Challa, they should just name it Wakanda Forever. It shows that the country/culture/story continues on without having Chadwick Bozeman passing on the mantle.
Facts
His brother even said it was ok to recast him
I said the same thing Jay...peace out to CHADWICK. BUT, how many spidermans have it been? How many Hulks has it been, hell, Captain America is also the human torch. (Which I never really thought that the guy playing Captain America was never a good fit for the part) He was a great Human Torch though.
I agree with most decisions Marvel Studios has made so far except for not recasting T’Chala…
The new Namor origin sounds a little lame. I have to see how it plays out.
What's the difference between making up some new city and just cutting history from Marvel's Atlantis? Everyone already knows the sunken city Atlantis in some form or another, changing it makes it more confusing imo.
That's why I gravitated more towards MARVEL than DC as a child. The fact that MARVEL always tried to give you feasible scientific explanations for the heroes and villains. The EARTH X series is a great linking explanation of the history of the comic universe. It includes everything up to that point in MARVEL comics and it's future.
They both give made up scientific explanations
Too bad the current MCU in Phase 4 has forgotten this greatly.
that's why it's going to suck
Welp. Now I’m losing hope in this movie and Namor’s intro
same
Honestly the name "Atlantis" alone is enough explanation. Basically everyone has at least a rough idea of what it is. Just have other characters react with "wait, Atlantis is real?" "That mythological sunken city?" "I mean, we've met Norse Gods, so... sure..." and you're there.
If you want to bring in some of the history, you can have someone ask why it was really sunk, for Namor to answer with a brief "collateral from when the Celestials stomped out the main force of Deviants...", which draws from concepts already established in the movies. Anything more in depth would only be important if it becomes relevant to the plot, so you can wait with the exposition until then.
If they made Atlantis itself in the region of where they want to change it to that’s fine, but if they don’t even make it Atlantis that’s frustrating as Namor is a much more interesting character than Aquaman AND HE CAME FIRST
Yeah that's exactly what I'm scared they might do
I agree. The concept of Atlantis has been such a huge part of us humans for soooo long I want to see how beautiful it is and the politics around it, though I can do without politics 🤣🤣
@@Raumes513 but it's from greek culture therefore it's white therefore it is bad and not "Modern" and we HAVE TO make everything "Modern" .
@@refugeehugsforfree4151 which is so ironic because Greeks weren’t even white like that lol. But I agree with what you said. Imagine namor being some shade of “white” and fighting with wakanda 😅 geeeeze
@@Raumes513 well people think Mexicans are a race so not surprised TBH.
What if, instead of a documentary about past Marvel history, you had a show about an in-universe Indiana Jones-type character who went about trying to uncover various pieces of forgotten history? They don't have to be a superhero themselves, just have adventures adjacent to all of these old secrets of the past. Then they could run into Atlanteans or whoever else might be lurking out there. I think that could be a really cool way to expand on the world of the MCU in yet another genre. I've always loved those types of shows/movies. Just a comedic romp through history.
You could make it even more fun by having the character based in the same museum that Steven Grant/Moon Knight works at. I mean, it could even be Layla. Given that I think she was really well received, it could be a cool way to expand on her story beyond just being a Moon Knight sidekick.
That would be awesome
They should change it to the Lost Island of Mu. Mu is basically Atlantis, but it is in the Pacific ocean. My isn’t as well known as Atlantis, but it is almost as well known enough where people will know about it.
Black panther was the hero we needed in the game. Now that he’s gone it’s leaving me with a ‘What If’ in my soul without him and many possibilities they could have went with his character. I have imagined them taking him to space meeting with the Guardians of the Galaxy in his own Wakanda-made spaceship. Sorta getting his inner space-traveling ambitions that he had in the ‘What If’ series but with the continued storyline he has now. And of course now that’s it’s possible (I think) meeting his queen, Storm.
A hero in many forms including our universe: R.I.P Chadwick Boseman
Tbh, I'm very skeptical about this change because it sounds like they won't even acknowledge Atlantis.
I think it's possible to tell Namor's backstory in 15 minutes. It's not that complicated, you just explain he is prince of Atlantis. A highly advanced civilization, on par with Wakanda. But, unlike Wakanda they kept totally isolated and hidden from the world. Never interfering with the affairs of the rest of the world unless they directly threaten Atlantis. Which if I remember correctly was basically Namor's comic book origin. That what humans were doing became a threat to Atlantis so he wages war on humanity. Anyways, that's all you would really need to tell the audience imo.
Thanks
We know the legends of King Arthur and Merlin are real in the MCU. Makkari had Excalibur on the ship and Sprite says Arthur was in love with Thena.
I think not Introducing Atlantis would be a missed chance.
There are “magical hidden cities” in Latin America mythology, so I wonder how it’s going to go with what they have planned. Tbh, I’ve never cared for Namor but I am open to learning more. Aquaman was boring so I’m curious how marvel pulls it off.
Ya know…i was gonna say something bout AquaMan but you’re right he is boring
@@marknutt4398 I was gonna say what you were gonna say about Aquaman, but you're right. They're right, Aquaman IS boring.
Fine… I’ll say it if nobody else will: Aquaman blows
is he really boring? how is namor better
In my opinion Namor is more important to the history of Marvel comics than Aquaman is to DC
Honestly I love the dichotomy that marvel and dc have for a lot of characters like aqua man and namor. Seeing how they make them different while being the same is amazing
Rob, you’re trippin. As others in the comments have echoed, you can *DEFINITELY* fit enough Atlantis backstory in whatever amount of time Namor will receive in this movie. Marvel has been getting lazy/sloppy lately with its storytelling. And each time they do they get further away from the source material. What is frustrating is that they expect fans to simply forget earlier blunders (ex: a giant Head/Hand sticking out of the Indian Ocean) and accept whatever nonsense backstory they present to us all under the guise of diversity and inclusion.
Im done with Disney/Marvel.
Sure you are
Eternals might have been better if one of the civilizations they helped to influence was Atlantis. You could have laid the groundwork for Namor in that fashion.
That kid that was in the Eternals that Thena gave that spearhead to was Namor as a kid. He’s half Mexican.
Lol no.
Rob: Namor sucks.
Also Rob: Cannot wait for Namor.
See if they hadn’t messed up with the Eternals they could have already explained Atlantas in a flashback and there it is Namor is easily set up
THIS SHOULD BE FACTS. BOOM EASILY DONE.
@@LucasWolfe233 it just irritated me as the Eternals was a perfect vehicle to set up multiple things, mutants, Atlantis, Celestials, Black Knight, difference between mutants and mutates, Galactus, Skrulls backstory, Thanos’ backstory etc and it just became a weird movie that basically revolved around 3 characters, 2 of whom were not able to have sex with the people they wanted to so they decide to screw the world instead.
@@Wezt334 "So they tried the screw the world instead" LOL
@@Wezt334 everything you just said would not fit into a two hour movie it’s better if they would of tried doing that instead but as a Eternals show or something like that
@@vrbty sure not all of that would fit in but you could’ve got most of it into either flashbacks or even during an explanation of who the Celestials are and how the Eternals came to be. My argument is if they added even half of that in the movie would have still been a great platform to set up future characters/movies but they didn’t which was just such a missed opportunity.
Perhaps Namor's story would be better told as a Disney Plus series.
Need that trailer tho.
So that earthquake off the African coast in Endgame where Wakanda “does nothing” so is that off the MCU continuity timeline now that the population after the split of Pangea Atlantians now populate off the eastern coast of South America and West coast of the African continent? Just throwing this out but the “event” (triggered by the Deviants or Celestials) that separated Pangea and the choices Atlantians had to make to go west or east to populate seems like it could carry a couple of movies. One focusing on past (when the separation occurred) and another movie starting at the blip and moving on? Sounds “new” to me. Wayyy to invested in the MCU ugh!
My only thing is namors powers.. are related to the sea but I heard in the movie he will worship a Jaguar god so he will just be namor in name with a different origin an abilities
New ways to introduce us to new characters .. we don’t need the comic book 📚 counter parts !! Way to go Marvel as always
Nah I’d say having Atlantis would still be a good idea. Just have them be an isolationist kingdom with technology more advance then wakanda just hidden beneath the waves. Maybe throw in that the city once resided in the middle between the continents but had moved to off shore of the americas which sparked rumor that it was el derado. Maybe taking a pathway through some underwater lakes (look them up it’s not a typo) or rivers you find hidden underwater paths to Atlantis. Maybe part off it connect to South America and Florida and that’s how rumors of men having eternal life and calanders of death predicting the stars came about. Unlike wakanda, Atlantis did want to help a little while maintaining its secrecy. Only problem was they didn’t give too much help before the colonization of the americas began, so they went back into hiding since the new humans clearly had advanced in technology aside from their American counterparts.
TLDR: atltanis is just wakanda underwater, they moved the city off the shore of the americas secretly. Watched as the humans on land in the americas hadn’t progressed much technology wise. Decided to help them some to get humanity back on its feat “they thought” then as the humans from across the sea which had advanced (in comparison to the natives) came to the americas, they recognized that the human race was capable of advancing on their own so then they duck back into hiding minding their own business again.
The only thing I don't like is that Namor is going to be a straight up villain in the MCU and not a antihero
How are they gonna tie in the earth quakes that were mentioned in endgame??
Thanks!
Look at how ripped kumail nanjiani got for eternals... He would have looked incredible for Namor.
During Reginald Hudlin's Black Panther run, Namor and Black Panther were once allies at one point before the events of AVX.
The History of the MCU, hosted by the Watcher, in the style of "Ripley's Believe it or not."
An episodic "History of the Marvel Universe" would be dope. Do something akin to the Animatrix and I'm in.
In a 15-minute segment in someone else's movie, all you need to say is, " I am King Namor from Atlantis. IMPERIOUS REX!!!"
Well they don't have to explain his backstory in this movie 🤔 They can hint to what happened but they are probably gonna save the whole story for the Namor movie or Disney plus show.
If they started BP2 off with what you said would be great imo
OG Rob Core fans will remember the Sub Mareener.
It’s cool and all, but man I would’ve loved to see Luke Evans as namor. He just looks the part
Lets make him not like auqa man then change his birth to be just like aquamans
Personally I think this change sounds pretty awesome. I'm admittedly not much of a Namor fan, I haven't read many of his comics. So I'm fine with the change if anything I think it's more interesting.
Jake, from a non comic reader (which describes most of the MCU fan base) , any major change would go unnoticed and wouldn’t change the enjoyment level in the least. Only hard core comic readers like myself will have the most critical opinions and critiques. What comic reading fans have to remember is that these movies are not made for us. They are made for the masses and will implement social agendas to reach the widest audience in order to make the most money from the intellectual properties. Period.
Dumb idea! Everyone knows of the legend of Atlantis. So therefore it's not a stretch to assume that most people will accept the idea of Atlantis being in the MCU regardless of how much set up the first act of a Namor movie provides. I'm aware most cultures have a sunken/ destroyed city myth, but not using the most widely known, which is already the characters canonical origin is a mistake.
It's on purpose. they don't want to show Greek culture because they view greek culture as "white" and they want "diversity" so they just replace his origin to take the "whiteness" out of it. Marxist deconstructionism, they infiltrate, confuse, then destroy and move on.
My boy better have those wings on his ankles or else . Also , will he be considered the first mutant to debut ?
Need him to be a mutant and have wings
But not a mutant...
@@markdeejay86 why
@@davidbordeaux1575 honestly I think they're saving the debut of mutants for the eventual X-men reboot.
Namor goes way back to World War 2. The Invaders team first appeared in flashback stories set during World War II, and comprised existing characters from Timely Comics, the 1940s predecessor of Marvel. Originally, Captain America (Steve Rogers), his sidekick Bucky (James Barnes), the original android Human Torch ("Jim Hammond"), the Torch's sidekick Toro (Thomas Raymond) and Namor the Sub-Mariner were together as heroes opposing the forces of Nazism. When these superheroes saved the life of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill from Master Man, the thankful Churchill suggested that they should become a team, known as the Invaders.
The Invaders fought the Axis powers over the world until eventually finding themselves in England, where they met Lord James Montgomery Falsworth, the original Union Jack. He joined the team and provided them with a base of operations in England.[2] Eventually, Falsworth's children Brian (Union Jack II) and Jacqueline (Spitfire) became members.[3] The team later added Miss America (Madeline Joyce) and super-speedster the Whizzer (Bob Frank), during a battle with the Super-Axis.[4] Later, against the threat of the Battle-Axis, the team was assisted by the Blazing Skull and the Silver Scorpion.
I gotta ask Rob, do you think Namor will be a mutant when he's introduced into the MCU? And if so do you think it will be acknowledged in Wakanda Forever? Assuming he is in the movie, I don't know if that's confirmed.
Why
@@walnuthead why what? Why would he be a mutant? Because he was the first Marvel character to be published that was a mutant.
@@JakeFromUA-cam Oh yeah true, i forgot lol.
@@walnuthead lol all good I was just confused like "what do you mean why?"🤣
I hope so. They don't have to mention it in the movie because it'll make no sense as mutants aren't even a thing yet. But when the x men movie comes out they can mention namor being the first mutant and that'll be the first bomb they can drop on the audience members who don't read comics.
Damn, I have been wanting Doom for years in the MCU and know I want Merlin and Morgan La Fey (Runaways)
Atlantis should have been introduced in eternals. Which would have made for a more interesting movie in mcu history where the eternals could have fought deviants and made deviants a more credible threat. The lore would have been amazing
@Telegram@Geek Culture Explained09 wait what?
Good video as always Rob. Thank You
I think they can explain it. During the movie in 15 mins or less by starting off the movie in the past showing briefly how they were sunken I to sea and how it connects to Wakanda or issues between the two, the flash backs at certain points of the movie that could connect it more to current day
I like the fact that it’s based off a great location and society that fits the myth im just curious if Atlantis has underwater gods
Poseidon
Let's hope it's not called Nova Roma. I mean, we all want the mutants, but still...
The way they are changing up the origin can see why both wakanda and Atlantis would be at war with each other
A mocumentory with Deadpool as the host!!
My only hope is that they don’t nerf him. Namor in the comics is strong as shit.
#RecastTchalla
They’ve nerfed a good number of characters in MCU so sadly this is gonna happen with Namor too most likely
@@bet0v966 Lies.........Maybe Hulk but nonetheless lies.
@@UNFITTED1 Gamora, Drax, Quicksilver, Odin, The Collector, Mantis, The Grandmaster, Loki, Ultron, & Thanos
@@bet0v966 There's 2 versions of Drax from the comics and they seemed to lean towards the dim witted version. So not nerfed. Gamora has her comicbook background. Her nickname as the deadliest in the Galaxy hasn't been seen but her journey is still ongoing and she has been a good guy bad ass. Quicksilver was used in an excellent way but died to early, still not nerfed. Odin was shown to be a bad ass in Thor 1 and 2 so not nerfed. You really used Grandmaster and the Collector as an example lol. They are elder Cosmic entities and played the role they played in the comics. One just happened to not be blue. Stop it. I used Hulk as an example because we didn't get the Hulk that was deserved in Infinity War film. Hulk in the Infinity Gauntlet comicbook was smart Hulk but he did get his ass whooped in that comicbook by Thanos. And lol to Thanos being nerfed after being the best Marvel film villain yet. He didn't need to be in love with the entity Death to get his point across. Only power taken away from him was plasma projections from his hands.
Namor is amazing! Cant wait!
A documentary/mocumentary would be awesome, thats a rad idea.
They could make namor a Chinese monk for all I care, but why make it a point that the mcu just wouldn’t have to explain the past and history of a major location and character. Especially when you’re moving a character from an already somewhat Known mythology to a mythology not quite largely as known and understood as the based upon one?
I wanna see the beef between Namur and Black panther, oh man imagine seeing that on the big screen. Black panther and Namur duking it out
I just hope Kevin feige and Ryan Couglar understands that if they want to bring in a Mexican hero from Aztec/mayan descent that they give him the same care they did to the wakandans and don't make this version Atlantis's language be Spanish. Modern Mexicans were forced to learn Spanish due to the colonization from Spain. He should either speak one of the many indigenous languages or (which is the safest route) a new fictional language derived from indigenous languages. Just like they made the wakandan language for the movies
I love your idea for a mockumentary series for Marvel! The guy from Ancient Aliens could be the host!
Atlantis backstory should remain intact. If marvel still has access to kull the conqueror it was during a battle at end of his empire that Atlantis sank. Blade also has a piece of this action too because it was due to experimentation on the part of Atlantis that gave rise to vampires. So what if namor resembles aquaman, marvel shouldn't be repeating the same mistake DC made with their captain marvel, but not standing their ground on the name because their character had it first.
Yes sir can't wait till they drop off he first trailer 😭😭😵
At this point I wish they would just scrap Wakanda Forever and make a full Namor Movie.
And instead of noble and angry they'll probably make him a wise-cracking clown.
As one of the 5 Namor fans, I'm really hoping they stick with Atlantis. Remember the Atlantis Easter egg in iron man 2 on the map? Also, the guardians of the Galaxy ride at Disneyland has Atlantean relics mentioned by name
Thanks Rob
Well, no they probably couldn't do all of Atlantis' history in 15 minutes. But they don't need to. They only need to give a brief rundown of the conflict and then introduce the Atlantis history in a Namor spinoff series or film I guess. Really not sure how I feel about this if its wholly true. MCU with Namor but without Atlantis and its mythos will feel a bit lacking.
I’d love a series that explores those things
Absolutely practical, more than science itself.
Atlantis was in fact America.
Toth was the Atlantean King.
His emerald tablets were found in Mexico inside a pyramid.
They were guarded by tall statues called the Guardians of Atlantis.
Just off the shore of Cuba they found submerged pyramids in the style of the Maya.
So yes extremely practical.
Im stoked.
If anything, Aquaman is a carbon copy of Namor! Namor appeared in comics two full years before Aquaman! Namor first appeared 1939 and Aquaman first appearance was in 1941.
Sounds like if Fiegi wants too, he could make the lead up to secret wars something akin to Lord of the rings with all the different kingdoms at play.
It may be an easy way to differentiate Namor from Aquaman if you make it off the coast of Central America, but it will become harder (and likely making things worse) to explain how and why Atlantis and Wakanda are at War.
Central America and Africa aren’t exactly “neighbors”. Not to mention the fact that S.H.I.E.L.D. already has Atlantis off the coast of Africa. So unless we’re gonna a long massive underwater tectonic plate shift that move Atlantis across the Atlantic Ocean, it make less sense than undoing history and canon, because they’re worried about a “They copied DC” label.
Just keep it the way it was written and make an AWESOME movie! The fans that have been excited for Namor will do the rest!
And I mean one has long hair and the the other one doesn’t so.
They're apparently trying to include real life history so casual viewers can connect to the story better which history has shown has worked better than something that disconnects them. Dr. Strange 2 ran into this issue even though I love it and it seemed made for deep cut Marvel comics fans. Casuals didn't understand it.
@@UNFITTED1 yes, but historically, 99% of the people that believe Atlantis exist, believe it’s off the coast of Africa.
@@KetoFitChef You're giving people too much credit lol. Hidden city maybe. Where it is. Doubt it.
@@KetoFitChef facts. some people even believe it has connections to the eye of the sahara.
Interestingly, the earliest account of Atlantis' existence came from Plato's Timaeus and Critias, where Plato quoted a Greek statesman claiming to have found stories of Atlantis from the Egyptians. The Atlantians supposedly had the same gods as the Ancient Greeks, even though their history was recorded by Egyptians. Some claim Atlantis was founded by Atlas, but it's unclear whether the myths meant the Titan or some other guy named Atlas. Robert Graves claimed that it was the titan Atlas, and even claimed that he was Poseidon's son, even though Atlas was supposed to be the son of Iapetus and Asia. Atlantis tried to conquer other parts of the world, and that may have led to their downfall. When Atlantis lost a major sea battle with Athens, that's when the Greek gods sank them. Plato may have made up Atlantis as a philosophical allegory, but it ended up dominating the imaginations of people for centuries. Atlantis' story is still retold in science-fiction, fantasy, horror, and superhero comic books to this day.
I like the idea of Black Panther 2's version of Atlantis being Mesoamerican than Greek. It would've been interesting to see Atlantis as Egyptian than Greek, too. Some stories even had Atlantis be Egyptian, which makes sense considering that the Atlantis legend supposedly came from Egypt. I'm curious how different the Mesoamerican Atlantis would compare to the Atlantis from the Namor comics. It would be far out if Namor's Atlantians started as a fusion of Ancient Greek and Mesoamerican: that would result in one intense deep sea civilization. I wonder what the Mesoamerican equivalent of Poseidon and Atlas could be. Gukumatz of the Mayans, Chalchiuhtlicue of the Aztecs, and Mama Cocha of the Incas sound like awesome equivalents for Poseidon. Instead of losing to Athens, this version of Atlantis could've lost to the Mayans, Incas, or Aztecs before their gods sank them.
I've yet to study the full lore of Atlantis according to the Aquaman or Submariner comics, but I am impressed with how the backstories were told in the comics I've read. The history of Marvel's Atlantis and Lemuria is pretty nuts, even for their early comics. It amazes me to this day how the classic Marvel writers wrote such elaborate backstories for their world. The lore for DC's Atlantis is interesting, too. I don't know how Namor's story will be exactly told in Black Panther 2, but I'm eager to see how it plays out.
I really dig the change. I think it’s a very cool twist on the mythos and helps distinguish him from Aquamans mythos. Can’t wait to see Namor!
I understand the purpose of the possible change, however I hate that they are changing it. Tbh they didn't have to spend much time on his origin in this movie, they could focus on the origin of the issues between Wakanda and Atlantis. That would have actually opened up a possibility for a separate movie for Namor that focused on his origin and one of his main antagonist outside of the Wakandans.
That's why you have the comics.
Great idea for Disney plus
Looked to see if Rob made a video about this and boom 💥 he did 1 hr ago video posted thank you Rob for always explaining you truly are the best we have in this comic Hobby. 🐐
I don’t know. I thought in the comics it was supposed to be off the coast of Africa. Which would make sense why they would be at war with Wakanda. But if it’s off the coast of South America, I’m curious how that’s going to work. Or if they’re even at war. 🤷🏽♂️
Basically the Ancient Alien theory. History channel FTW.
Marvels first mutant. They're going to have to dance around his villain past status given his new ethnicity and cultural roots or it's going to go down bitterly. I hope they do him and his reimagined roots right.
It makes sense that they would give it the "Latveria" treatment...
The 15 minutes they use in the movie to explain all this: Some character goes "look I found this on UA-cam" and they they play this video which is only 12 minutes and 22 seconds, and that's it.
You are on point my man. Explaining the universe in a TV series it's just how all the comics got where they are in present day. When I was young and growing up there was no movies there was nothing but TV series. all kids back then were addicted to television. And we didn't even be inside as much as the kids that are in the house today up under a screen. All the movies supposed to do is compliment a story it's not supposed to be the entire story. You either created origin story or you explain the origin later after the movie. Either way it goes expanding the universe cannot be done with just movies that's a huge risk to take. Which is why I don't understand why DC isn't doing any good because they wasn't putting their heart into their TV series content. No way should they have had to scrap all that CW stuff. I just think it's just being lazy. Just like you look for talent for actors you need talented writers. Fresh new riders with new ideas new ways to explore. The world loves what Kevin feige is doing. Just hope he can put it all together right. It isn't impossible to make billion dollar movies if your critically thinking the process out. Everybody is not going to read the comics but everybody will watch TV shows.
I think it's too big a change. Namor is from Atlantis. That's his defining trait. Saying they don't want it confused with Aquaman's mythos is the tail wagging the dog. Namor came first.
Tying him to Central America instead of North America is ok. Skipping the entire Invaders thing in WW II - great. Making his country being a small colony barely half a millennium old, founded by a few thousand people? No.
And if they want to differentiate him from Aquaman, making him the son of a human and a princess? Bad idea.
I don't see how you don't mind them changing the original details of his story, like the ww2 stuff, but then do mind the new stuff they have been trying to incorporate into his story for awhile now, as his character is just extremely old fashioned and lackluster. Also he's frankly neither popular nor well liked, so a makeover to his character is overdue imo
@@LilNika117 We already sae WW2 in the MCU, and he was not there. Kind of hard to insert him now. If they had dropped hints here and there in prior movies, I'd have no problem with Namor being a veteran of that war.
But he's Namor, king of Atlantis. It's like Steve Rogers becoming mexican, or Wolverine becoming french, Ororo Monroe becoming scandinavian.
Namor's kingdom has a lot of baggage associated to the name, and no other sunken city of folklore can match. It's important to the character, if nothing else, to explain his arrogance.
And it's funny that they are making those changes so people don't think he's a copy of Aquaman - that could be dissociated from Atlantis without losing much, by the way.
To expand on the last point for those who are not into comic book history: Aquaman was an almost blatant copy of Namor. The greatest difference was that, unlike the Avenging Son, his original origin (try saying this three times fast) didn't include Atlantis.
I think this might be a red herring for the movie. Like a “Namor discovers his heritage” like an after school special 😂
I was just thinking of the idea of bringing the Atlantis in the MCU and realised, that we got a huge thing with the Eternals. So we know that celestial (forgot the name) got killed, but his birth SOMEHOW??? caused the "awakening" of Atlantis. Maybe there was the time when Atlantis was as advanced as modern Wakanda and something caused the "death" of this land (check out a multfilm about Atlantis). Or at some time there was a war between Atlantis and Wakanda and that's why Namor will be the antagonist of the future movie. I don't know but this thing with celestials got me thinking about this theory.