Finally people are realizing that you can put a vertical grip on a "pistol" if it meets the overall length. Once a pistol is over 26" it is no longer concealable, reclassifying it as a firearm.
So does that measurement start at the end of the buffer tube and end at the last thread on the barrel or The end of my brace to the end of my muzzle device?
how can this be so, when they clearly state that, "adding a vertical fore-grip to a handgun, creates an AOW, and is subject to NFA regulations." Their letter mentions no requirement for length. They state that taking a handgun and adding a vertical fore-grip, you have redesigned the weapons to be fired with two hands.
Mike, the marines are still requesting that all of the videos you do from now on are shirtless wearing the basic training issued jockstrap. I know you've been addressed on this topic before. The caged animals are becoming upset. You've done nothing but neglect our crayon consuming brethren. Please try to fix the emotional damage you've caused so far....
Badass Father and Son Duo. Love watching your videos. Having a gun range in my backyard and young kids (8 & 11) who are starting to get into ARs this gives me hope that they will continue to enjoy the sport as they age.
No Garand Thumb comes from when you get your thumb caught in the acting of a M1 Garand , turning it purple and hurting like hell . It was known as Garand Thumb because it happened a lot to the guys that weren't used to the rifle yet .
TangoDown13 my GF worked at Joannes and that freaked her out every time always saying "NO, FLANNEL IS A FABRIC NOT A PATTERN!" I was conditioned now to not make that mistake. Lol
Jay Velasquez I love guns but what you just quoted is exactly why you give America a bad name, it looks like you choose a recreational sport over children's safety e.i. school shootings
Kieran Ryal You obviously don't have a clue what the constitution is or what the second amendment means. This is not a "sport", this is keeping Americas real militia trained and prepared to overthrow a tyrannical government, which is what we have. 2a allows the public to protect themselves and their own families, friends, neighbors etc. Armed citizens stop 400% more violent crimes than police do. Not to mention, cops are nothing more than uniformed thugs. If all you want are armed uniformed thugs ruling this country than keep your mindset as is.
@@josiahs9559 yh but as soon as someone starts calling it a rifle, the more likely the atf are gonna say "lMAO, not a pistol, LMAO YOU A FELON NOW" or whatever they say.
These collab videos yall have started doing are freaking Gold!!!!! I love hearing from both of you guys in on video!!! More of these please. Maybe a sidearm vid next?
Garand Thumb is the painful condition you get from the bolt of the Garand M1 rifle slamming down on your thumb. I thought that was his name for a long time too.
ijh - Nope...those who register MUST retain bullet button and can retain "evil features"...those who DON'T register and KEEP evil features MUST use a form of the available "magazine locks" that require top loading or replacing magazine by breaking apart action...there is also the magazine loader which feeds fresh rounds thru the ejection port. Finally there is featureless, non registered...fixed stock, muzzle break, no pistol grip and no forward pistol grip...but you MAY replace bullet button with regular mag release
Realistically I think most people in CA just said fuck the laws and just violate it. I visited a range in CA and no one was using bullet buttons anymore, and I am certain they aren't registered.
Dave Smith - with 3 versions of compliance available and the registration deadline now pushed back to 7/2018 and non compliance being a 4th version coupled with previously registered weapons from 2000-2001...going to a range and picking out those in non compliance is impossible.
Im an RO at Okeechobee Shooting Sports, and oir farewell to our buddy, was letting him shoot every full auto, sbr/ supressed everything in our inventory.
4:01 "I got it cheap and IT WORKS" Most beautifully honest real world response I've heard from a UA-camr lol. No fluff, no bullshit aerodynamic grip clutch stuff...this is why I like Lucas.
"Hey Dad, you wanna go have a conversation next to a bunch of people shooting their guns?" "Sounds good Son!" -Them 5 minutes before they shot this, probably.
Hey guys i just wanted to say you two are my two favorite channels right now and your weapon setups are badass...too expensive for my water budget but maybe one day. Thanks for the info, videos and please make more
FYI, if you are going with the SBM4 pistol brace like Lucas has you can use the Leapers UTG AR pistol extended receiver tube with a 10.5” barrel and you will meet the 26” OAL requirement (it’s longer than a traditional pistol buffer tube). I think you might also be able to do the same with a SBA3 adjustable pistol brace if you use the Vltor A5 system like Mike has. The Vltor receiver extension is about 1” longer than a traditional carbine receiver extension. That extra 1’ might be enough to get you to 26” OAL with a 10.5” barrel but will get you there for sure with a 11.5” barrel.
Had that cheesy song in my head.." I'm talkin' bout my be-eeest friend..." ringing in my head watching these two kids together. Keep up the collabs boys.
T.REX ARMS - It was pretty much a commercial for the RAS47 by Patrick where he talked about how good the rifle was and never mentioned a single draw back like the fact that many critical parts of the rifle are assembled from cast parts. To sum up the comments section for you, these were more or less what they were. "You're a Shill, sellout, how dare you tell people to buy a hand grenade, worst gun ever you suck" .... pretty much like that.
interesting fact: Eugene Stoner original want a forward assist and it was only at the demand of the Army that it added and redesignated the M16A1. The reason Stone was against the forward assist was that if the bullet didn't chamber properly it could mean that there is an obstruction in the chamber and trying to force the bolt into battery could cause damage to the rifle. The more you know
I'm talking about other guns, not strictly the AR series. The SCAR doesn't have a separate forward assist because the charging handle reciprocates. Forward assist on the M16 series is really an American thing. Other main stream guns like the G36, Tavors, all the H&K roller delay guns, the Bren, even the L85 does not have a separate forward assist button like the AR series Even a lot of the AR-10 types the US military uses don't have forward assists.
The only thing the FA is good for IMO is doing a silent charge. Basically if you down wanna make all the noise of racking the charging handle for whatever reason, you can really quietly pull the handle slowly ana walk it back and then press the FA to put the bolt in battery.
great vid. you asked what we'd like to see. just more great training vids. the two of you running drills. i could watch that all day. mostly because of the good editing and shots.
Man i wish I could afford a high tier Ar, I really need night vision and infrared laser, if you can't shoot at night it's pretty much half a rifle.. You're a beast brother, keep it coming.
great video; informative, well researched and personal reasons why you chose x over y from experienced users - been subbed to both you guys for a while
Brioni Russo is the SBA3 allowed to be shouldered? This is where I am confused and seems to be a lot of grey are. Lucas is using a AR pistol and is shouldering it so I guess it’s okay?
Both great channels, these collaboration videos drip with success. Future ideas; maybe a sidearm show and tell like this one, or a run and gun video of you guys running drills. Your channel's video editing is money
Recently got my first AR, an M&P 15 Sport 2. I added the Holosun 515c Red Dot, and was feeling pretty good about myself...till I saw this. I think I understood about every 10th word. In fact, I'm pretty sure they made up 1/2 that stuff, but I'd never know. Lol.
MP SPORT IS A PRETTY GOOD ENTRY LEVEL RIFLE. THE HOLOSUN ON THE OTHER HAND IS COMPLETE GARBAGE. SELL IT ON EBAY AND BUY AN OLD BEAT UP AIMPOINT COMP M2 FROM A MILITARY SURPLUS VENDOR ON EBAY FOR $250 IF YOU CANT AFFORD A $500 EOTECH OR AIMPOINT. EVEN IF THAT THING IS BEAT TO SHIT IT WILL STILL RUN UNTIL THE WORLD ENDS.
Paul Barclay well, I made my comment as a joke about how advanced their conversation was, but ok. It's less about being able to afford it and more about justifying spending $500 on any optic for a sporting rifle that basically will be for range use, target practice, etc. Not everyone is runnin and gunnin with $2-$3k set ups. I guess time will tell on the Holosun but so far it's pretty awesome.
like i said-you can get an older used aimpoint comp m2 on ebay that is military surplus for $230. I have one, and im speaking from experinece. I have aimpoints, acogs, trijicons, etc, and my 15 year old beat up comp m2 will run with any of them. You dont want "time to tell" with your holosun, because when it breaks you cant sell it. If you use it, it will break. Its just a matter of time. Those things are low quality. They are not military grade. Your SW MP2 is not a high end ar15, but its a good reliable ar15 that will do whatever you need it to do. the same cannot be said about your optic. The entire point of having a rifle is for self defense, etc, regardless of using it at the range-and for self defense you need something you can bet your life on. I wouldnt bet my life on a holosun.
They are awesome until they stop working. When they first came out a few of my buddies got one. 2 out of 5 of them dont work anymore (although my friends use their guns hard-but not as hard as you or g.thumb does). Maybe for someone who is just taking his rifle to the range it would be fine.
Okay serious life and death question.... to +T.Rex Arms and +Garand Thumb Buy a kick ass flannel shirt to train in? Or.... New sights for the the Glock 19 FS I got? Please help, Perplexed in Louisiana
That was a great review! You two are a great duo. I look forward to more from the two of you. Excellent presentation and detailed explanations. I'm an old dude and you guys are educating me. I love it! It's also refreshing to see gun videos without watching guys that look like they're from the cast of Lone Survivor.
Thanks for making me feel better about running the forward assist on my Ruger 556. I passed up on some other budget rifles because they didn't have one. Honestly, I wasn't sure why I needed one at time of purchase but, I didn't want to find out later that I should have got a rifle with one on it. Base rifle before optics and any upgrades was $615 out the door so why the hell not? I love the damned rifle, it's more accurate than I am. Need ammo to go back to normal to I can go back to training every week.
Maniac742 does the flash hider have to be pinned and welded for him to be able to have the vert grip? Or does over all length defeat that over all? I'm asking cuz one of my ffl dealers said to me that it has to be pinned and welded while including the over all length of 26 inches in order for it to be ok to have a vert grip on, is that correct?
Can't say for sure, but pinning and welding would be the safest bet if you want to add a VFG. Given that flashiders and muzzle devices only count towards a barrel or gun's overall length when pinned and welded for rifles for NFA purposes, I'd have to assume the same is true with AR pistols.
I would NEVER do an SBR build. Once you go NFA you're on the government's radar for good as a potential firearms owner if there ever ends up being a tyrannical gun ban!
Nicholas Fernandez Daddy Garand's flannel game is a heck of a lot better though. Plus Lucas is skinny whereas The Thumb is a meaty boi so he looks better in his flannel.
Well that’s a video I’ll have to watch about a dozen time to get it all down. 😂 I’m new to this stuff, and really appreciate all this info. Great job guys!
Any time Garand Thumb is in a video the comment section become oddly weird and sexual. I think it's the flannel.
He's got that Daniel Craig sex panther thing going on
Lol you're right, it's a weirdly constant rule.
Gotta be the flannel, its a sexy fabric.
Derrick S. Tran no its because Garandthumb is our daddy. Which makes Tom Haley our Granddaddy. I am okay with it.
Gren Moyo Tom Haley? You mean Travis Haley?
Why does Lucas address his dad by first name? Isn't that rude?
Kyle Clark you're definitely in the running for best comment
buildingblocks51
Because he's not his dad, he just lives with his mom.
Give him time.
Best comment hands down
Travis Haley is Lucas's granddad, and Larry Vickers is the great-grandad.
Finally people are realizing that you can put a vertical grip on a "pistol" if it meets the overall length. Once a pistol is over 26" it is no longer concealable, reclassifying it as a firearm.
+Jake Anthony yep
So does that measurement start at the end of the buffer tube and end at the last thread on the barrel or The end of my brace to the end of my muzzle device?
Ken I’d just do thread of barrel to buffer tube just to be safe.
+Ken end of buffer tube (receiver extension) to barrel (not muzzle device. But to the threads of the barrel.
how can this be so, when they clearly state that, "adding a vertical fore-grip to a handgun, creates an AOW, and is subject to NFA regulations." Their letter mentions no requirement for length. They state that taking a handgun and adding a vertical fore-grip, you have redesigned the weapons to be fired with two hands.
Great job by thumb citing the study that Lucas mentioned. Always good to back up what you say.
+Matt Thornton Garand is the intellectual one.
T.REX ARMS I think I drooled watching this video. You guys make me miss my SWAT range days. Keep it up ! Also been digging my sidecar daily.
Mike, the marines are still requesting that all of the videos you do from now on are shirtless wearing the basic training issued jockstrap. I know you've been addressed on this topic before. The caged animals are becoming upset. You've done nothing but neglect our crayon consuming brethren. Please try to fix the emotional damage you've caused so far....
Stop projecting your army fantasies onto uncle sams misguided children
Crayons taste great and no one wants to see him in a "Banana hamic" Tell the ladies in the rear "We" said hello ; )
As long as Lucas joins in.
@@SmolKTN Checkout Thailand, I've heard they have what your looking for.
your shrink warned you about project your dark desires onto others, its not healthy, just come out and admit it lol
Badass Father and Son Duo. Love watching your videos. Having a gun range in my backyard and young kids (8 & 11) who are starting to get into ARs this gives me hope that they will continue to enjoy the sport as they age.
MIKE? His name is Mike? I just got straight up mind banged...I thought his first name was Garand LOL
Mike Thumb?
Same here man. Same here
No Garand Thumb comes from when you get your thumb caught in the acting of a M1 Garand , turning it purple and hurting like hell . It was known as Garand Thumb because it happened a lot to the guys that weren't used to the rifle yet .
OPSEC semi compromised
"We're using code names."
Can’t believe this video is already 6 years old. Hoping to see these guys do another video like this some day
Two of my favorite channels!
Did.. did you mean to say "Two of my favorite flannels"?
Flannel game on point
Not all flannel is plaid. Not all plaid is flannel.
TangoDown13 my GF worked at Joannes and that freaked her out every time always saying "NO, FLANNEL IS A FABRIC NOT A PATTERN!" I was conditioned now to not make that mistake. Lol
Tactical flannel fyi
"When the government takes away the people's right to bear arms it becomes people's duty to take away government's right to govern"
Agree 100%
👍
Thats actually true
Jay Velasquez I love guns but what you just quoted is exactly why you give America a bad name, it looks like you choose a recreational sport over children's safety e.i. school shootings
Kieran Ryal
You obviously don't have a clue what the constitution is or what the second amendment means.
This is not a "sport", this is keeping Americas real militia trained and prepared to overthrow a tyrannical government, which is what we have. 2a allows the public to protect themselves and their own families, friends, neighbors etc. Armed citizens stop 400% more violent crimes than police do. Not to mention, cops are nothing more than uniformed thugs. If all you want are armed uniformed thugs ruling this country than keep your mindset as is.
"I got it cheap." Well you saved $15 bucks on a foregrip, on your $3,500 rifle. :P
"Pistol" or should I say "Firearm" ..... But not a rifle
Only the MAWL-DA is 3.500K lmao
Captain America realistically it is a rifle, the NFA is retarded
@@josiahs9559 yh but as soon as someone starts calling it a rifle, the more likely the atf are gonna say "lMAO, not a pistol, LMAO YOU A FELON NOW" or whatever they say.
He needs that 15 bucks do he can get batteries for the $40,000.00 nvg's he's got.
Oddly enough, I am not on the toilet.
Lance T. But I am also
I am
Your comments are on all the videos I've watched today!
odd indeed
Matthew Loudon hilarious... I'm on it again coming back to check this reply
Such a totes cute couple...
Steve Sanders I thought I had a damn hair on my screen because of your profile picture
Andrew Henry totes ship it.
Tweak & Craig, 2.0
Yeah I’m really glad poppa garand finally got hands on time with Lukas’ rifle (I think thats his name lol)
These collab videos yall have started doing are freaking Gold!!!!! I love hearing from both of you guys in on video!!! More of these please. Maybe a sidearm vid next?
Damn Travis' basement children killing it up in hurrr.
So much flannel... So little beard.
That dudes beard at 9:28 though
That pipe hitter walked by and said "Lucas Botkin? Never heard of her..."
No offense LB, that guy just looks like he kicks ass and takes names.
+Scott H haha. He's like that.
Beards are so 2010. ..
so what ? They can shoot better than most bearded wannabees on YT
Wtf daddy thumb's name is mike?
Chet Manley
You remind me of Randy Randerson
Garand Thumb is the painful condition you get from the bolt of the Garand M1 rifle slamming down on your thumb. I thought that was his name for a long time too.
Dude WTF is up with y'all calling another grown man daddy? Y'all gay as shit for that.
Jones! Who? Mike Jones!!!
@@abc4781 leave
Mike is the dad I wish I had, gives me the strength to one day be the woman I was always ment to be.
😄
Wtf is happening with the daddy comments
Its called daddy issues 🙄
Underrated comment.
Also I really like you guys doing videos together
These collabs are the best
Really great video. Not only was this informative, it was a joy to sit though and digest. Thank you two for all your work.
I'd like to see you guys do "California reloads" with bullet buttons.
ijh - Nope...those who register MUST retain bullet button and can retain "evil features"...those who DON'T register and KEEP evil features MUST use a form of the available "magazine locks" that require top loading or replacing magazine by breaking apart action...there is also the magazine loader which feeds fresh rounds thru the ejection port. Finally there is featureless, non registered...fixed stock, muzzle break, no pistol grip and no forward pistol grip...but you MAY replace bullet button with regular mag release
Realistically I think most people in CA just said fuck the laws and just violate it. I visited a range in CA and no one was using bullet buttons anymore, and I am certain they aren't registered.
Dave Smith - with 3 versions of compliance available and the registration deadline now pushed back to 7/2018 and non compliance being a 4th version coupled with previously registered weapons from 2000-2001...going to a range and picking out those in non compliance is impossible.
Raddlock :) Loosen it at home and the range, tighten it during transport...
Psycho021 why would they do somethin stupid like that they still have there freedom and won't allow it to be taken
Videos like this make me so depressed that I live in The peoples republic of California
Mike Powers move! We'll take freedom loving people in Indiana. Half of Illinois is moving here anyhow.
me too...surrounded by sheep errryday baaaaaaaaaaaah
Who do you think confiscate guns from us? The cops. And they aren't reading Karl Marx.
Maybe you should. Marx was pro gun.
California is NOT a republic. California is commie
Im an RO at Okeechobee Shooting Sports, and oir farewell to our buddy, was letting him shoot every full auto, sbr/ supressed everything in our inventory.
1:50 when you almost drop your baby, but play it off like it was meant to happen.
4:01 "I got it cheap and IT WORKS" Most beautifully honest real world response I've heard from a UA-camr lol. No fluff, no bullshit aerodynamic grip clutch stuff...this is why I like Lucas.
I’m seeing this kid on more and more videos. Good to see these young bucks getting into shooting rather then call of duty.
I would love to see a parts breakdown list for your builds
"Hey Dad, you wanna go have a conversation next to a bunch of people shooting their guns?"
"Sounds good Son!"
-Them 5 minutes before they shot this, probably.
2017 Lucas: Following NFA laws and talking about form 20s
2022 Lucas: Put a stock and that thing a drill that third pin baby
Thanks for all you guys do i learn so much from you both🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hey guys i just wanted to say you two are my two favorite channels right now and your weapon setups are badass...too expensive for my water budget but maybe one day. Thanks for the info, videos and please make more
Lol love how Lucas interrupted Mike going over his gun... to make a point, then ran away with it and kept talking about his own mk18. Hahaha
We need another collab with these two
You guys play off of each other well it's like I'm watching a really cool talk show well done men.
That range thou🤤
JROC out near Oregon Coast. Trained there a couple times.
@@MrKells503 the NW has tons of awesome ranges...especially if you can find the secret ones in the mtns
2:43 Isn't it "SCALE-er" Works, like the non-directional version of a vector?
SkillslikeaZebra correct.
@@Scalarworks lol I knew someone would have mentioned they're mispronouncing it...
SKAHLAR got me rolling early on
The warden is great for focusing your concussion forward. Shooting around others it's great. I have one for all my SBRs
Nerds with guns I love it...
Those who dont believe in a forward assist have never rolled around the deck in chai-land
"FIREARM" Im Dead...Definitley Building a "Firearm" now, my AR-Pistol dreams just flew out of the window, Nice Video Guys👌 nice chemistry👌
+Pac Man 👍🏼👍🏼
Pac Man dude, a "firearm" is the way to go. So many advantages for just 1" extra barrel length. Enjoy the build and the "firearm"
How do you make a firearm instead of a pistol or rifle?
You just build it to the overall length requirement of 26 inches
FYI, if you are going with the SBM4 pistol brace like Lucas has you can use the Leapers UTG AR pistol extended receiver tube with a 10.5” barrel and you will meet the 26” OAL requirement (it’s longer than a traditional pistol buffer tube). I think you might also be able to do the same with a SBA3 adjustable pistol brace if you use the Vltor A5 system like Mike has. The Vltor receiver extension is about 1” longer than a traditional carbine receiver extension. That extra 1’ might be enough to get you to 26” OAL with a 10.5” barrel but will get you there for sure with a 11.5” barrel.
Notice me dad
GottemLeaning to many kids to give privilege to jus one my brother. We all are neglected sumtimes
Damn...rapid fire geek out on rifle bling by two guys who know their shit. Love it.
love this video! I learn so much when you guys just chit-chat about your stuff.
It's called the Garand effect, any video Flannel Daddy is in, the comment section gets funky.
Can't get over the fact that shots are raining in the background
Had that cheesy song in my head.." I'm talkin' bout my be-eeest friend..." ringing in my head watching these two kids together. Keep up the collabs boys.
I really like the 2 of you together.. great video.
Anyone else see that train wreck of a review TFB put out today on the RAS47? Looks like they took it down due to all the hate they got lol.
lol they're running out of guns to review
+biggboysouth I didn't. Haha
+ReadyOrNot what happened?
T.REX ARMS they put out a video saying the RAS 47 was a good rifle. They were immediately blasted by the AK crowd.
T.REX ARMS - It was pretty much a commercial for the RAS47 by Patrick where he talked about how good the rifle was and never mentioned a single draw back like the fact that many critical parts of the rifle are assembled from cast parts. To sum up the comments section for you, these were more or less what they were. "You're a Shill, sellout, how dare you tell people to buy a hand grenade, worst gun ever you suck" .... pretty much like that.
4:47 kinda sucks that you have to measure from the folded position now. so that would be illegal now given the ATF "clarification"
Love the duo videos. And that flannel is on point.
It's super cute when Mike does the whole fangirl thing with his little brother. Great job boys, keep up the good fight!
Daaaaaamn Lucas why you tactical so hard? 😂 garandthumb the Gawd
interesting fact: Eugene Stoner original want a forward assist and it was only at the demand of the Army that it added and redesignated the M16A1. The reason Stone was against the forward assist was that if the bullet didn't chamber properly it could mean that there is an obstruction in the chamber and trying to force the bolt into battery could cause damage to the rifle. The more you know
Which is why a lot of the "later gen" rifles either don't have a forward assist or it's integrated into the charging handle
Excalibur01 on civilian rifles sure, but the military still insists on having a forward assist for some reason. Military intelligence
I'm talking about other guns, not strictly the AR series. The SCAR doesn't have a separate forward assist because the charging handle reciprocates.
Forward assist on the M16 series is really an American thing. Other main stream guns like the G36, Tavors, all the H&K roller delay guns, the Bren, even the L85 does not have a separate forward assist button like the AR series
Even a lot of the AR-10 types the US military uses don't have forward assists.
valid point, I assumed that still talking about AR/M-16 family. You're right, and the AR family is 60 years old, there are but rifles
The only thing the FA is good for IMO is doing a silent charge. Basically if you down wanna make all the noise of racking the charging handle for whatever reason, you can really quietly pull the handle slowly ana walk it back and then press the FA to put the bolt in battery.
Was watching another gun vid and accidently skipped it, was going to go back but saw that it took me here so i stayed
Good vid on the SBR's Lucas again for your age you move shoot very well, keep them coming. Thanks John
What about a video on hearing protection?
What said
Check out MSA Sorin Supreme Pro-X
Whaaat?!
Yes please do the ir laser devise review soon, first time for me seeing anything like that, so going to hold off on buying the D3 right now
It’s hella funny how he tries to mimic Travis Haley’s mannerisms and shit you can tell he watched all magnum videos and honors the man
great vid. you asked what we'd like to see. just more great training vids. the two of you running drills. i could watch that all day. mostly because of the good editing and shots.
+William Powell sounds like a plan!
I still have diarrhea..thanks for the new vid...
Man i wish I could afford a high tier Ar, I really need night vision and infrared laser, if you can't shoot at night it's pretty much half a rifle.. You're a beast brother, keep it coming.
U.S.- SheepDog47 if only money weren't an issue
build 1...or go the ar pistol route its cheaper and easier
Bro they got 199 dollar nods right now. Jus pls dont look down when changin mags while wearin...
And it brings it back to train with what you use also. If people are running a brace train with it. I love seeing you train with the brace
great video; informative, well researched and personal reasons why you chose x over y from experienced users - been subbed to both you guys for a while
Try the SBA3 its adjustable for length of pull
Brioni Russo is the SBA3 allowed to be shouldered? This is where I am confused and seems to be a lot of grey are. Lucas is using a AR pistol and is shouldering it so I guess it’s okay?
@@danielbyerly8269 yes it is
Not 100% is SB has a ATF letter for the sba3 yet..
How did you get the folding sba3??
SBA3 is Batfe compliant. Almost every retailer states this on their page. And if I’m not mistaken (might me be) Sb’s site reflects this too.
Both great channels, these collaboration videos drip with success. Future ideas; maybe a sidearm show and tell like this one, or a run and gun video of you guys running drills. Your channel's video editing is money
Learn something new everyday. Excellent video as per the usual.
Good to see Lucas helping out G Thumb with some tactical pointers
Recently got my first AR, an M&P 15 Sport 2. I added the Holosun 515c Red Dot, and was feeling pretty good about myself...till I saw this. I think I understood about every 10th word. In fact, I'm pretty sure they made up 1/2 that stuff, but I'd never know. Lol.
MP SPORT IS A PRETTY GOOD ENTRY LEVEL RIFLE. THE HOLOSUN ON THE OTHER HAND IS COMPLETE GARBAGE. SELL IT ON EBAY AND BUY AN OLD BEAT UP AIMPOINT COMP M2 FROM A MILITARY SURPLUS VENDOR ON EBAY FOR $250 IF YOU CANT AFFORD A $500 EOTECH OR AIMPOINT. EVEN IF THAT THING IS BEAT TO SHIT IT WILL STILL RUN UNTIL THE WORLD ENDS.
Paul Barclay well, I made my comment as a joke about how advanced their conversation was, but ok. It's less about being able to afford it and more about justifying spending $500 on any optic for a sporting rifle that basically will be for range use, target practice, etc. Not everyone is runnin and gunnin with $2-$3k set ups. I guess time will tell on the Holosun but so far it's pretty awesome.
like i said-you can get an older used aimpoint comp m2 on ebay that is military surplus for $230. I have one, and im speaking from experinece. I have aimpoints, acogs, trijicons, etc, and my 15 year old beat up comp m2 will run with any of them. You dont want "time to tell" with your holosun, because when it breaks you cant sell it. If you use it, it will break. Its just a matter of time. Those things are low quality. They are not military grade. Your SW MP2 is not a high end ar15, but its a good reliable ar15 that will do whatever you need it to do. the same cannot be said about your optic.
The entire point of having a rifle is for self defense, etc, regardless of using it at the range-and for self defense you need something you can bet your life on. I wouldnt bet my life on a holosun.
+J Reed Holosuns are awesome
They are awesome until they stop working. When they first came out a few of my buddies got one. 2 out of 5 of them dont work anymore (although my friends use their guns hard-but not as hard as you or g.thumb does). Maybe for someone who is just taking his rifle to the range it would be fine.
What FOREGRIP is garland thumb running?
Could be wrong because there are so many that look exactly like his, but I think its a Samson
Garland, how lovely 😂😂
Beautiful video, many points to help new and old builders!
I miss this combo collab. Bring Mike back to this channel.
"tell them about your build, Mike" cuts him off 3 seconds in to explain how his pistol is set up.
Up the protein chicken legs.
@ben honeycut - LMAO! A few sqwaats ain't gonna hurt either.
But his facial expressions and stern looks could bench 200lbs
He can't bulk up since he fucking sprints everywhere. Makes me anxious just watching. So intense and adhd.
More mass harder to move and easier to get shot
remember guys it's all about looking cool
-Garand Thumb
keep rocking the flannel
You guys are great. You are a wonderful help. Thanks again and keep going.
Flannel...the new 5.11
Okay serious life and death question.... to +T.Rex Arms and +Garand Thumb
Buy a kick ass flannel shirt to train in?
Or....
New sights for the the Glock 19 FS I got?
Please help,
Perplexed in Louisiana
You don't need to see shit as long as they can see what a badass cool operator you are in the flannel. duh.
get plaid sights for yer Glock
skip the flannel and sights, id drop the Glock 19 and get a sig 2022
Man those mag changes are amazing.
That was a great review! You two are a great duo. I look forward to more from the two of you. Excellent presentation and detailed explanations. I'm an old dude and you guys are educating me. I love it! It's also refreshing to see gun videos without watching guys that look like they're from the cast of Lone Survivor.
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what is that short grip on garands thumbs gun
Could be wrong because there are so many that look exactly like his, but I think its a Samson
Thanks for making me feel better about running the forward assist on my Ruger 556. I passed up on some other budget rifles because they didn't have one. Honestly, I wasn't sure why I needed one at time of purchase but, I didn't want to find out later that I should have got a rifle with one on it. Base rifle before optics and any upgrades was $615 out the door so why the hell not? I love the damned rifle, it's more accurate than I am. Need ammo to go back to normal to I can go back to training every week.
It’s more accurate than you are then it’s good enough💯💯
Enjoy both your channels. Keep up the good work!
10.3" barrels look cooler, but 11.5" barrels run better in my experience.
SBA3
Still relevant and a good reference for shorty builds. Tx
It’s so cute you guys are wearing the same plaid shirts.
adderall sure helps with focus and energy, side effect ,talking super fast
Do a video on tje FosTech Echo Trigger. It's one of the coolest and innovative new things to enter the ar15 market recently.
+Purple Teddy Binary triggers are horrible.
I'd be interested in a video explaining why.
The Binary Trigger is horrible, but the Echo Trigger is awesome
Usually folks like to look at what they are shooting every time the trigger is squeeeeeeeeeeezed.
In a way the Binary, echo triggers are similar in concept in usage to burst fire mode on guns. They are mechanically different for legal reasons.
No shit? I just mentioned you on G Thumbs channel and here you guy's are doing a review. My two favorite weapons channels united. Frickin sweet!
+Mike Frizzell 👍🏼
probly the best two shooters on youtube.
Bromance game A1
It's an "any other weapon" once you add the vertical grip, right? But since yours is more than 26" the ATF essentially stops giving fucks.
Maniac742 does the flash hider have to be pinned and welded for him to be able to have the vert grip? Or does over all length defeat that over all? I'm asking cuz one of my ffl dealers said to me that it has to be pinned and welded while including the over all length of 26 inches in order for it to be ok to have a vert grip on, is that correct?
Phillip Schmauch Only if the flash hider is required to beat 26". If it's 26" without the flash hider, then no.
Maniac742 ok, a build I have is 26.5 inches including the flash hider. Can I put a vert grip on? Or do I need to pin and weld the flash hider?
Can't say for sure, but pinning and welding would be the safest bet if you want to add a VFG. Given that flashiders and muzzle devices only count towards a barrel or gun's overall length when pinned and welded for rifles for NFA purposes, I'd have to assume the same is true with AR pistols.
Maniac742 well crap
They look like they are going to host a home renovation show
You guys are an ambiguously cool duo
I would NEVER do an SBR build. Once you go NFA you're on the government's radar for good as a potential firearms owner if there ever ends up being a tyrannical gun ban!
Hk 4lyfe First to die, but first to fight. Become a legend
If you have ever filled out a 4473 you are on their radar so....
80% lower.... you’re on no ones radar
80% lower.... you’re on no ones radar
Exactly the sba3 brace is ajustable and is basically a big fuck you to the NFA never register with the government.
lucas is challenging daddy flannel with his own flannel!!!! buckle up the flannel war is coming!!!!
Nicholas Fernandez Daddy Garand's flannel game is a heck of a lot better though. Plus Lucas is skinny whereas The Thumb is a meaty boi so he looks better in his flannel.
Well that’s a video I’ll have to watch about a dozen time to get it all down. 😂 I’m new to this stuff, and really appreciate all this info. Great job guys!
Watching this again in 2021 and didn't even realize Lucas is wearing a Fieldcraft Survival hat. Lol pretty awesome.