The Fall of Fear The Walking Dead - How The Show Ruined Its Potential
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- Опубліковано 12 кві 2020
- Hello everyone and welcome, in this video I take a look at how Fear The Walking Dead went being a solid alternative to The Walking Dead, to the absoulte train wreck of a show that it is currently.
There are spoilers for the entire show in this video, so please keep that in mind. I hope you enjoy this video and please let me know your thoughts below.
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When Nick died, the show died. When Madison died, every chance of forgivness for Nick's death died. I stoped watching after Nick's death. Was thinking of going back, then i heared Madison died. I never came back.
MTKUKF exactly nick was like the main character after he died it wasn’t the same but the first 3 seasons were the best
MTKUKF exactly the same story as me dude ! I didn’t really mean to slip away from the show, and I was gonna go back to it after the mid season aired so it’d be easy to catch up. I saw Madison died and I still haven’t watched an episode of the show since then
@@MrGreaves Same with me... I tried to watch 4B but didn't enjoy it, i tried to like the new characters but... Show felt empty for me with most of the core cast gone.
Same I was still semi on board till Madison’s death. Just like I stopped watching the main show after they killed off Carl. Really bad as he was integral to the whispers arc.
noneed4me2 yeah agreed. Though TWD really fixed the Carl issue, it was still a huge wtf
The biggest failing of the show, among many, was skipping past the early days of the outbreak. There was a lot of potential to cover the collapse of society but they just left that in the rear view mirror.
Not Really It Was Boring.. Especially After TWD.. It’s Soooo Slow..
For me that was the whole point of the show, after season 1 ended i just lost interest as it became worser version of TWD.
Literally was the whole draw to the show imo
Right? Even after saying in promos that the early collapse was going to be a big focus.
It was the script equivalent of a stand up comic saying "so cellphones... what's up with those?..." and leaving it without a punchline.
It could have been made interesting if they wouldn't chicken out on explaining more of the world, the infection, government, etc. they didn't have to stick to cliches and yet they did, and then instead of correcting, they just hurried forward into the apocalypse. What a shame.
Losing the main cast of the show really ruined it for me, I feel like Travis, Ofelia, Nick and Madison left the show way too soon
Maddison falling into madness and becoming a villain would've been one of the best story lines over both shows damn really wish we'd seen that
Honestly we still can see this with her return.
like season 5 rick!! tbh, at this point, don't bring her back to that awful show, it doesn't deserve her.
back then fan theories where saying she is gonna turn into alpha
@@Sparta_cus91 The show would’ve been great if it taken that route. Seeing the group slowly turn into villains as they try to survive. Eventually making their way to Rick’s group.
Madison as Alpha
Strand as Beta
Nick as Gamma
Alicia as Delta
And so on
Have a grand final season with mixed perspectives. It’d be hard picking who to root for.
I mean that was the original plan until they changed showrunners in season 4
They shouldn't have killed Travis in such a random way
His actor wanted out of the show, but it could have been handled much better.
C&M Punk for real
Nah, that was GREAT. A true "anybody can get ganked at any moment" death. Way way way better than the pointless Nick death or confusing, pointless Madison death.
The actors who played Travis and Nick both requested off the show. Cliff Curtis (Travis) is part of the Avatar franchise and wanted to be free to do its sequels. Frank Dillane lives in Europe and it sounds like he may have had some off-camera demons.
Nah man they did him a Favor, he got an Offer for Avatar to shoot 3 movies. Don't get me wrong it sucks but I'm glad he got such a great opportunity
Fear died so that the original series could live.
Gimple ruins everything he touches. they should have just given him a brand new twd series that he could make from the ground up so his shit doesn't spread to already established shows
Well about that do you see world beyond
@@mirahkasadi6988 Its amazing how bad he ruined such a good concept...
It's so weird to see you here man. It's even weirder that both sentences you wrote are exactly what I say to people about FEAR.
His spin off series would fail and he'd demand the successful series for himself.
But. That's the same time they fucked up TWD seasons and the boring ass whisper arc
I wish we had more of FTWD’s Tobias, he knew about the outbreak and the possibility of society collapsing long before everyone else knew about it. He seemed like the kind of guy that would’ve had a conspiracy board in his bedroom.
That and I'd like them to bring back Walker. He just left with crazy dog after the dam and that was that.
@@ciarajones4970 They were such good assets to the show too! Like what happened to them?!
@@krystalRosex0x they left to find the rest of their tribe or people which I understand but the Clark group or Morgan group could have been their family.
I like in the walking dead universe, even strangers can be your family. Or blood or race don't matter.
And I miss Travis. I loved this character. There was a lot of potential developing his character, much better than bringing over Morgan.
I agree with everything you said. The season with Morgan and friends helping everyone was terrible. The new showrunners ruined it. Pushing Alicia to the side was a mistake. They killed John. Every other character sucks now. Strand is bad now? Really?
Seriously...Strand should have died in season 3. Such an insufferable man.
I agree. The showrunners ruined it. I just hope the final season ends really well, maybe it can redeem itself.
Bro I wish they never killed Nick, but to make it worse everyone just forgot charlie killed him
And now Strand is gay.
@@PicklefatherNurgle Ya, you're right. I forgot about that.
They basically neutered all the characters. Maddison was no longer tough. Nick was no longer savvy. Strand was no longer sly. Alicia was no longer smart. They all basically had the same personality, same goals, same wet blankets. The writers just don't know how to write interesting characters
thats the problem i had throughout the entire thing. everything felt so bland and i never got hooked into watching the show. i never cared about the characters or their story
This is way more apparent if you re like me, drop american Tv and watch animes like HunterxHunter where the whole thing is flawless here compared to any season of TWD
@@comdrive3865 - Is it on Netflix?
@@comdrive3865 - I found it.
@@Mimoo7 - I didn't immediately love the show, I thought it was okay, but it was good enough to keep watching. The more I watched the more I liked it. I thought the characters were ok but the story felt kind of bland.But once they killed off most of the original characters I lost all interest and didn't care at all.
I wish they had shown, for at least 2 seasons, the literal fall of society. The paranoia, the denial, the slow collapse of a world we once knew. That was what I certainly craved as we had skipped all of it in TWD. That would have been phenomenal to have the slow, confusing and mindblowing reality of an apocalyptic world to every day people. People who never shot a gun and so they had to learn. People who were scared and didn't suddenly become badass fighters but who were human and relatable; slowly debating what the new normal is and what they're capable of and morally able to do.
The irony in fear is that there isn't actually enough fear. The characters are fine with dead people eating others. No slow build up, no real terror, no trying to save neighbors in vain etc etc. Just straight to killing machines, leaving their home and everything they know. Leaving all supplies, familiarity, not staying to help others (as would be the normal human, pre apocalyptic mentality) Instead they turned from a family/community to only caring about survival and number one, all knowing how to fight and shoot, no grief for the loss of the entire world as they knew it. I could go on and on but THAT is what many of us wanted.
The beginning of an actual zombie apocalypse with real people who are scared to death, who have no idea how to survive and who have to gain courage and skills in this new world.
nah fam, take this skimmed over fallen society of a show and timeskip to the TWD. Nobody cares about that.
I swear the writers are braindead sometimes.
Ironic
Like Rick's group had better progression from hopeful survivors to nihilistic killers, and that group doesn't even start at the beginning of the apocalypse.
In FTWD, it's like as soon as they first see a zombie, they immediately have a TWD season 5 mentality of killing anyone who looks at them dirty, not trusting anyone and have little fear (ironic) about society collapsing. Not to mention we only had like 3 episodes of the collapse which happened too quickly.
That 6 week time skip in the first season really upset me. I really never forgave the show for that.
@@randeli7785 honestly, that isn't even saying much. the nihilistic killer shtick was stupid as hell. when the entire group agreed that eugene, the only guy keeping the electric grid running and the only one who knew how to do it, should be forced to go into dangerous situations to "learn" how to survive and went through with it, I knew the whole survivalist bullshit was brain dead.
Season 3 was a master piece, best season of both shows, how it shows a multi dimensional conflict in which no side is totally irrational and every important character feels layered with their own philosophies. Along with the pacing of the season it felt long but 90% of screen time moved the story along compared to the typical 50% in most twd seasons
easily the best of each show. The dam scene at the end of fear was incredible. Troys character was insane but a fan favorite. Season 3 made nick one of the best characters of each show.
Season 3: Hey this show is actually finally finding its voice
Season 4: Ha no
They killed off their best characters the moment they got the most interesting. Travis becoming crazy after the death of his son was amazing and then dead 2 episodes later. Nick I understand because the actor wanted out of his contract so that he could pursue movies but Madison didn't want out of her contract and they still killed her for no reason whatsoever!
Yeah my favorite character were travis and nick I wish they would not have kill these two off.
Madison was the worst character xD
@@lunashiva WTF U MEAN U DUMBASS
Madison not dead tbh
@@prabhakaranpillai835 yeah she still alive in walking dead if you don't see the body they are still alive like Glenn he hid under a dumpster and kenny from the telltale game survived somehow but yeah I'm pretty sure she still alive.
They killed off there main characters too soon.
The junkie was terrible and his death was pitiful.
@@daoyang223 Nick was the best character on the show. You can't change my mind.
@@virus_v73 Like Nick, not the best character but I liked him... I was very happy when Maddison was gone... I hated that character. I also really like some of the new characters
@@Spiritwolfmac Glad you're happy with them, but they're pretty much drizzling shit that further ruined the show, to the rest of us.
@@virus_v73 still trash yo. Rick or Shane is way better yo
I would have preferred that they didn't kill Nick and just had left him in limbo after the season finale where he was swept away in the waters.
They could have implied he drowned and left an opening for him to have somehow survived, for a later storyline.
Instead they had him survive the finale, just to be killed in a more permanent fashion that had no way of ever creating a scenario that he may have come back from.
Madison though, they have left it open that she could possible return as you never actually see her die.
Either way though, the death of those two characters were like nails in the coffin.
The show lost direction and the writing just went downhill.
That's their biggest problem always killing off characters like the actor might come back. Also giving the character deaths that make no sense. Jesus was probably the best death after an actor asked to be killed off.
“they just go from place to place helping people”
morgan: *I have a settlement that needs your help*
Morgan Garvey commonwealth minuteman at your services.
Side quest
They panicked and thought Morgan could save the show. Morgan's exit from The Walking Dead was ridiculous. He'd just helped defeat the Saviors and he wants to leave?
Why would they panic though? Season 3 of Fear was absolute gold, it was actually way better than the whole savior arc.
Lee Everett seasons 1-3 of Fear were miles better than 7-8 of TWD
What was even more ridiclous is that Morgan just so happened to run into Fear's characters when he could have ended up anywhere in the US, i mean it's a bit of a coincidence, and then to have Dwight appear in the same location as well is absurd.
Yep season 2-3 I could see the show starting too take off I don’t know if they got new writers for season 4 but it was like it fell off the side of a cliff
@@ryans413 Season 4 was when Scott Gimple took over the show, the same guy that ruined the Saviors arc for seasons 7-8
I hate how they decided to kill literally everyone from season 1 for no reason. There was no reason to kill travis, nick, and that one guy who used to be an asshole and died at the dam
Travis left to film Avatar, Nick left because he wasn't happy with the change of people in control of the show and he wanted to explore other things as well
Not Cosby actually I see why they had to kill Troy. Same reason Merle had to die. They might have been somewhat likable characters, but they were also racists who had done horrible things not so much in the name of need or survival but for selfish reasons. That being said I really enjoyed both characters. Thought they had great interactions with the rest of the cast
I disagree. Those characters were horrible. I found myself actually rooting for the zombies. The show got much better in the later seasons.
I'm guessing that they were trying a Game of Thrones approach where they just kill off everyone?
I'm glad chris died. Total waste of a character. His was offscreen, told secondhand, proof of how worthless he was. The worst though, was it should have transformed travis into a major badass. Instead, he's gone a few episodes later, a true loss of great potential.
I just want a zombie show that shows the technical and logistical aspects of how the world collapsed for once. L4D and TWD are my two favorite zombie medias of all time so I'd crave anything from those universes that explains why the military fell so quickly (In TWD its because theyre dumb but in L4D the military/government is in the active process of falling, since they abandoned every state east of the Mississippi River because of the powerful zombies, however I'd still like for Valve to make a movie, tv-show, or another game that shows the events of the downfall as it happened, rather than just showing the aftermath like TWD)
In Fear they kind of touch on it. Troops are dieing in parts of the country they aren't from or nescisarrily care about. They want to help their families and they are stationed away from them. Why work for pay if pay might not matter? There is a shortage of manpower when essentially trying to police an entire country so the gaps in logists leads to a higher casualty rate. All our high tech equipment means nothing without a vast logistcal network ( the U.S Homeland). I'd have quite fighting too in the situations depicted. Family first. Pay second. Flag is third.
@@jacobwells9792 how many people in America have guns ? like I'd get such an outbreak in Europe ore Asia but in America no way
The problem is that the more you know, the less it makes sense. Any zombies powerful enough to take out the military, would be too powerful for civilians to handle.
I would suggest reading the book World War Z, they touch on a little bit about how the US went to shit by stating that at first everyone was in denial about the zombies and the government was covering it up to prevent people freaking out, plus they had just come out of a war they lost ad people didn't have much faith in the government, the military really falls apart after a battle called Yonkers, the news about zombies is out and troops are mobilized to a town called Yonkers to fight the zombies using all the latest gear available, and it becomes a shitshow with the commanders putting people directly in the path of zombies, having them wear bulky armor, and having them equipped with a headset that let them get a bird's eye view of the situation and see what other soldiers are seeing, which goes to hell when they wast ammo to do vary little to the zombies and get to see the million+ hoard coming at them, plus getting to see first hand as a guy gets eaten alive by a zombie that was in a house they didn't clear behind their lines
Yes. Those are always some of the more interesting scenes for these movies but goes fast.
They should have just made Fear a 5-7 season show about Madison and family. Morgan should have just been given a separate Walking Dead spin-off.
It's all Scott Gimple's fault. He came in at season 4 because he was forced off TWD for running that show to the ground, and he immediately tried turning season 4 of Fear into season 8 of TWD.
The moment I heard him becoming new show runner I knew the show was set for failure.
Scott gimple is not a very good writer, frankly I was disappointed with the show from the beginning
Lee Everett - As soon as he came over the show sucked. I really liked it before.
@@Lalvon_Zelpharr what's disappointing is that Scott Gimple is an extremely talented writer. He wrote iconic episodes like Clear and The Grove, which showed it very clearly. That's what made his ruination of Fear so much more disheartening. S4 was on pace to outclass TWD and he absolutely squandered it when he had the potential to make it incredible.
Honestly, Gimple was heavily carried through s4 and 5 of TWD. He had the comics to go off of, so foundation was set. He had former seasons that already setup beautifully crafted characters with exponentially increasing chemistry and flow. He had some of the best plot lines to cover (i.e. Terminus, Alexandria safe-zone, the end of Governor) which truthfully could be done blindly and still work out perfectly fine. What happened in s6-8 was he actually began to take hold of the series and control more aspects of each plotline as it progressed. In other shows, he may have shown great potential as a skilled writer, but after 5 seasons collectively (FTWD S4-5 + TWD S6-8), he just isn't that good. It has been literally written in front of our eyes that he either has no intentions of making this show great, or he's just...bad. There is no way the past 5 years went down the way they did if not for those two possibilities.
I can't believe he got another job after the terrible season 8, sad I loved the first 2 seasons of fear
Nick was one of the most interesting characters I've seen in a show. Extremely flawed but very likeable. He held the whole thing together.
Flawed how?
@@bojaboom1407 meth
@@LowResCatExplosion nah, Nick was addicted to Heroin
Breaking bad is superior to everything walking dead and it’s only 5 seasons.
The biggest mistake was not focusing on the early days of the outbreak
I remember enjoying the first season just for that. And then the 2nd one came out and it was already like TWD... but worse. A pity.
They could have done so much with Travis, he was the one who brought moral to the story and his change between dealing with the life in the apocalypse was nearly perfect. You could see he was changing from morality to brutality (much like Rick) . And then they killed him off
I just pretend there's only 3 seasons of this show. Erickson is a genius.
Lol this is my exact thinking
Literally my exact mindset
right on
Same. Just like community show and borderlands game.
Its sad cause it just got good again but its not about the clark family so what is the point
Watching season 5 was like watching Tara's episode but this time for a entire season
That's correct
haha brilliant!
Oliver Marcos I mean at least Tara’s episode was better then Season 5
hahahahaha
I “Swear” I lost brain cells watching FTWD 4b and the first two episodes of 5
See I actually really enjoyed the slow burn of season one because every moment I was wondering when the walkers would make themselves known on a wide scale. And I found some of the moments in season 1 - the school and then the attack by the walker neighbours nail biting. And the scene with the “sick” boyfriend and his parents house with the car left in the driveway stuck with me. Because you don’t know what happened to the parents but you have a pretty good idea.
I thought Troy’s character was pretty interesting. You know, the human experiment thing he was doing and how he gathered so much insight about the virus and how it behaves by murdering people. I gotta say those scenes were not even half as eerie and disturbing as similar scenes of terror and gore in TWD but it brought us viewers some curious details like BMI linking to time of revival, the force field of dead acting as a repellent. I wanna see them explore that aspect more as well as finally seeing how the outbreak started. (Hint, alien spores)
The true main character was Nick and I guess the writers failed to see that it was nice to see a Morgan and Dwight but honestly after Nick died the show went WAY down hill
Nick is one of the best survivors in the series, he's my fav character, so sad he died
I agree , nick is the rick grimes of the show and they failed to see it 👍
I stopped watching after Nick died
nicks actor wanted him to die so he could focus on other projects
No, it ended when Madison "died". Replaced with just a side character from TWD, Morgan is cool but only as a side badass. Madison was a unique protagonist with a troubled past, forming her as a protective mama bear. At least Alicia is still around, but it barely feels like her story anymore.
They should have never done a timejump. If they want to crossover someone, it should have been Abraham and Eugene
A time jump COULD have worked, if the Clarks were separated for years and trying to stay ahead of the Proctors takeover of the West. But this was less a time jump and more a soft reboot.
@@BlazingOwnager that's what I was expecting before I watched season 4, I was also expecting to see Morgan interact with Madison and the others, be some sort of adviser to the group. But instead they had him takeover the show turning it into "Morgan and Friends".
Having Abraham, Eugene, and maybe that girlfriend of Abraham's (She always wore that camo hat but I can't remember her name) would have made more sense. They were originally from Texas, which would have been a close proximity to where the Fear characters eventually ended up. They wouldn't even have to timejump. The idea of Morgan walking across half the country from Alexandria is just too much to be believed.
Morgan was the WORST of the Walking Dead characters to crossover. He never seemed to know what he wanted to do, and the other characters just followed around behind him like little ducklings.
agreed 100%
@@dimitrescu182 i liked Morgan cause him and Rick were like the yin and yang but best buddies with complications.
They're complete opposite in some ways also really similar. I wanted more of that but then Morgan left again and now he has his own show in FTWD
I remember seeing something when FTWD was coming out that it would be focusing on the downfall of society, not on the actual end of society like TWD. I think they moved too fast, and just like everyone else I don't think Morgan should have been put into FTWD. I really enjoyed Seasons 1-3.
Yeah, definitely.
They should have shown a few more people's stories who died but on their survival in the collapse/fall
I watched a few episodes with my brother. All I could think was "this woman (the mother) single-handedly causes every problem the group faces." She's an Apocalypse-Karen!
She’s a psychopath. It was revealed during season 3
@@TITANICLUSITANIAI cannot remember any problems she started in the first few episodes ngl.
@@Godloveszaza It is told through a story in season 3. She killed her own father to save her mother, and she slowly stopped having intense feelings of empathy. She even gets called a “killer mom” by the Proctors at the end of season 3.
At its heart, the problem was that they transitioned the show from being about the Clark family to Morgan. Killing Nick was horrific and then offing Madison was unforgivable.....
I never liked Madison, and she reminds me of Comic Rick in the worst ways, but her death could've been done so much better.
@@Logan912 Madison was supposed to be a villain
@@sGSdYgsdGA8fSWrRb2uzpMzzt2ys90 Would have been amazing and the ultimate villain/anti-hero tbh.
@@assassindancer914 she grew on me after season 3. She was ruthless and I loved her relationship with Strand
The actor wanted to go home like a bitch so they had no choice smart guy
Can Season 6 sink any lower? Yes, dont underestimate the genius of the Gimp
Gimp the Simp
Dont forget to give Goldberg and the other dude (Chambliss?) plenty of blame, their their ones writing the overall story for each season.
@@TGTDestiny Gimple chose them
@@eddiethealbatross5734 Yeah he deserves the most blame but just dont forget to give it to the showrunners as well
Gimp has gotten most of the attention. But credit for this brilliant masterpiece should also be given to the other guys whose names I can't remember. I guess I could look what y'all said their names were but I've already invested 30 seconds typing this and I'll never get that time back. Whoever they are they deserve an Emmy
Your synopsis of the new characters added in season 4 was hilarious, and quite spot on with charlie. The fact that anyone thought killing off Nick and trying to make Charlie likeable/redeemable was actually going to work still boggles my mind. And yes, John Dorey was too good for the show.
Imagine if the fall of civilization was stretched to the first two seasons, and season 1 focused on several different groups across different regions, all handling the initial outbreak, with the show slowly showing us how ALL of their paths cross by seasons 4-5. We could've seen the fall in many different perspectives, something fans have been craving since The Walking Dead first aired, along with potentially a military and government perspective showing us how they fell.
Dave Erickson: season three of FTWD was amazing. The show is finally getting its footing, and, it is on its way to bigger and better things.
Scott Gimple: Hold my beer.
😆
@Zealed true, but, Gimple is chief content officer of both shows. He pretty much accepted everything the new showrunners wanted to do. That,imo, makes him responsible, as well.
@Zealed they sure did. They brutally butchered Fear. I'm really surprised that all their ideas got the green light.
@Zealed Gimple became showrunner for TWD in season 5 and showrunner for FTWD in season 4, both in which the shows started going downhill. That ain't no coincidence
@Zealed Did you remember their comment on when fans expressed their distaste of Season 5 and they responded that as far as they were concerned they did no wrong and season 5 was perfect? I need to find that article. Almost every media covered that article.
The biggest missed opportunity?
Fast forwarding through the early outbreak. THAT was the MAIN reason I was excited about this spinoff.
Also:
- Killing Travis was a huge mistake
- I hated Madison. I’m sorry I dropped out before getting to see her die.
- I dropped out before Nick died, but I think that was a big mistake.
- I had ZERO interest in having Morgan join the show. His character had turned into absolute garbage well before he left TWD.
Totally agree, we should have gotten way more of the beginning of the apocalypse, trapped in the city as everyone around them turns. The show never should have tried to catch up to the main twd in time period, i didnt want to see these characters 10 years into the apocalypse, i just wanted to see a family struggling to survive in a world just starting to fall apart.
@@tylermunday2146
The show made it look like that after one riot (which had nothing to do with the zombies), Los Angeles just collapsed immediately after two episodes.
And instead of focusing on this new fear of zombies rising from the dead, they immediately jump to human threats like attacking the military, and the group starts to act selfish and screws over anyone around them. At least Ricks group took like two seasons to get to that mentality from hopeful refugees to killer nihilistic survivors, and his perspective didn't even start at the beginning of the apocalypse.
Exactly we should spent more time in that world.
Definitely agree to the biggest missed opportunity.
a random fucking kid shoots and kills the main character, it's so dumb
Nick was like The Joker of FTWD. Completely unpredictable but sensible as well.
Everything you've said here is spot on.
The show nearly lost me at the start as I was hoping to learn more about the outbreak and fall of civilisation. It would've been interesting if the main characters had been a soldier and a doctor for example, giving us some insight into how everything unfolded. Instead, after 2-3 episodes of increasing zombie incidents and confusion, it pretty much just flashed forward to the same world that Rick wakes up to.
However, I stuck it out and I agree that Season 3 was fantastic. However, I only got about 4-5 episodes into Season 4 and never went back.
I adore the first 3 seasons. I genuinely would take them over the main show. I just can't believe how hard it fell in season 4. I've never seen a show drop quality that fast and to that extent. Love your videos man.
Season 2B and all of three are pretty much perfect.
Garry Williams I felt like 4A was still good even though it betrayed the first three seasons. 4B on has been such a disappointment and season 5 might be the worst season of any show I’ve watched on tv
@@JS-jg7iv I still can´t decide wich one is worse, if that one or TWD Season 8
AJ 2000 at least season 8 of twd had some good action set pieces and a nice season finale. And season 8 did have emotional moments like *spoilers* Carl dying
@@JS-jg7iv I thought 8b was mostly decent other than the finale. I even like season 7 when it's binged.
They should've been the whisperers. It was kinda teased with nick always hanging out with walkers
That would've been amazing.
I legit thought that was where they were going. Would have been an amazing perspective to see
If they had made him the start of the whisperers it could have became one of the most satisfying moments in TV, instead the show just blows. Picture a world in which his discoveries of covering himself in guts became the beginnings of them and his past junkie dog eat dog mentality became the basis of their philosophy. Instead.... we got Morgan who I promise I would have used as Zombie food very early into the apocalypse.
Bro ur so fckin right damn. Nick was planned to kick whisperers ass, he was covered in walker’s blood so many times before. Maybe thats why the nick’s actor quit the show, maybe hes dissapointed with the way that story turns because of gimple.
Ftwd and twd could be the best tv show ever if that happens damn
Nick would have been amazing
This video is spot on the only thing you don't mention is the reason Frank Dillane ( Nick ) was killed was because he asked to be killed off the show BUT if you read through his interviews he says being he's from Europe and he's home sick but he also continues to mention the change of direction in the show so my theory where I agree with you is that he was pissed off with the change of direction and him being the main character with Madison we're getting bumped down to Morgan now being the main character and he took offense to that and asked to be killed off the show . Also the character Madison was killed and in her interviews she says it shocked her when she found out and she thought she would ride the show out till the end.
I just did did a FTWD rewatch of the first 3 seasons and finished the finale for sea3 last night and I think all 3 seasons are terrific . They watch so much better binge wise then they did week to week . I agree season 3 was INCREDIBLE . Everything about it and we get these awesome characters like Troy and you didn't even mention Taka and Crazy dog . They were terrific too also proctor and if you remember even after Madison hit Troy twice with the hammer and the water started filling in . Fans were still on the boards hoping he survived somehow . My final point Scott gimple ruined this awesome show
6:30 I understand your thinking, but FTWD was supposed to show the beginning of the outbreak. It would defeat the purpose, if they skipped past everything, even though we all had an idea of what was going to happen.
If the writers and amc really wanted to do a crossover, why didn’t they crossover Abraham, Eugene, and Rosita. They could’ve kept the timeline more close to the end of season 3 and the Fear group would meet Abraham and gang as they’re on there way to DC (before they met Glenn) and this would have been way more better for the show, and we’d learn more about Abraham, Eugene, and Rosita a little bit more. This would also make sense to use these characters, because they came from Texas and that area. This would’ve made a lot more sense and later on if this crossover didn’t pay off then they would have the shows split apart again, as obviously they’d have to get rid of them to match the timeline to season 4 of TWD. But if it did payoff, then at the right moment, then do another appropriate crossover at an appropriate and better time. Btw I like the video and content, keep it up, stay safe.
amcthewalkingdeadone that’s exactly what I thought they would do! Follow on from the Dam and Have Abraham, Eugene and Rosita on Fear for a season and then have them leave at the end of season 4 and then continue on with fears story for season 5,6 etc. Not all the save people bullshit! The two show runners can fuck off honestly! TWD wasn’t this bad during 7 and 8 and thanks to Angela seasons 9 and 10 have been great! Fuck Gimple and the other two!
The funny thing is that Daniel and Abraham could know each other
Michael Cudlitz would've been freed up from his recent death on twd too. He would've been a great addition to the group. Straight up would've made accomplished killers out of everyone in the group lol
Potato King he would have been open to do it aswell cus he directs on the main show now and he’s really passionate about this show and so he would probably want to do it! But hey ho! A missed opportunity by AMC! 👍🏻
I remember a lot of people thought there was gonna be a crossover with Abraham before they announced that it was Morgan. If only lol. I still don't think the crossover would have been neccessary, but that would have been better. If they had done a crossover such as that in the past, it would have been temporary rather than a reboot. Not to mention Abraham is a much better character than Morgan. Hell Eugene and even Rosita are better at this point lol
I think the saddest thing is that AMC is releasing ANOTHER spin off.
cunt Fear fell off the rails because Scott Gimple took over the show. The same reason why the main show fell apart after his ego inflated a million degrees after season 5’s massive success. Kang is doing a great job making the show good again, but it’s too little too late for most of the audience (and season 10 hasn’t been great, by and large.. at least not nearly to season 9’s quality)
The new show, not necessarily going to be good mind you, isn’t going to be helmed by him as far as I know.
@@VIO__ i mostly agree with u about gimple and how he has no sense of direction of storytelling even when they have have fkn source material but season 10 is equally as good as season 9
arnav gupta it’s good and had some really great episodes like Morning Star, but by and large I was let down by the quality of the first half in particular. I thought the Whisperers became too cartoony and there was far too much emphasis placed on Dante and Siddiq only for Siddiq to be killed off and Dante to immediately be discovered and also be killed off. It seemed pretty obvious they wanted a shocking and emotional death but didn’t want to kill any main characters so they had to actually make the audience care about Siddiq first. Just seemed like a lot of treading water for treading waters sake, not to build up anything really.
at least that's a limited 2 season thing
I think the new show could be really good cause it is a limited show or it is so terrible and they know it and that is why it is a limited show
4 season survivor and walker here...got to see alot of BTS and reasons why the story played out the way it did. All in all the horror of the show didn't compare to what we had to go through in real life to make it happen. So many fell to heat exhaustion for little pay being treated like sub humans even though we had been there for years even outlasted alot of crew. That said it was a hard show to make. Props to my Fear Family that lasted as long as they did.
I remember really like this show when it first started, the whole family dynamic was great and seeing them go through it from the start. It looked like Chris had the makings of turning into a psycho and they just randomly killed him off camera. I remember missing a number of episodes and coming back to find Travis, Nick and just the whole season 1 cast was dead (say for Alicia, Victor and Daniel). I mean it felt like I got up to go get a snack and when I came back the whole cast is dead 🤦♂ They added a lot of great character and are even bring back Madison, but sadly the actor playing Alicia left before they could reunite. Still, it feels a bit too little to late.
Season 6 opening
Morgan: These walkers live in horrible conditions, many of them are walking around in tattered rags no protection from the harsh elements. Even worse many are literally falling apart. For just the price of a cup of coffee you can sponsor one of these poor unfortunate souls.
I’m Morgan Jones and the best way to “clear” your conscience is by sponsoring a walker today. You know you’re supposed to, because everything gets a return.
I really with they got rid of scott gimple before season 7 , I can only imagine how great the Negan arc would've been. Carl wold still be alive and who knows, maybe Andrew Lincoln would still be in the show. Also fear probably would still be pretty decent without that stupid clown gimple
Dude I know, Gimple has failed miserably as showrunner. He destroyed two great shows.
Gimple wrote some of the best episodes of the series. A shame his tenure as showrunner didn't go as planned.
@@TheKaijudist He wrote 3 episodes back in season 2, which was a time when both the writers and the showrunner were on the same page for the show's direction. Season 4, which is exactly when people slowly started losing interest, was when Gimple took over. Then when he left for Season 9, the show was good again.
With FTWD the show was solid for seasons 1-3, then when he took over for seasons 4 and 5, it bombed. It's definitely not a coincidence.
I think Andrew Lincoln would've stayed if they didn't kill Carl. Them killing Carl pissed of so many of the legacy actors that Andrew Lincoln left, Norman Reedus and Lauren Cohan both tried to get new shows
Same, i'd love to have seen Angela Kang deal with the Negan arc, it would have been so much better.
The episode where Shane and Lori watch a city get forebombed did more to show the collapse of society than the entirety of the show, and I STILL love FTWD.
Not surprising that this happened. Given with what amc did to Frank Darabont, things can only get worse for the world of twd.
Nick died because the actor wanted his character killed off so he can leave the show. It sucks that such a good character had to go.
Can't blame him, dude probably saw the script for season 4 and dipped out knowing it was getting worse and worse.
Yup
Pitch Meeting: We're gonna make a show that goes into detail about the early stages of the outbreak, which everyone wants to see. Then barely spend any time on the initial stages and make family friendly TWD (Season 5)
Producer: Can we bring TWD characters over and ruin both them and the show?
Writer: sure it’ll be super easy barely an inconvenience
wow wow wow wow...wow
exactly, i was so hoping for more time in la and then they just ran away to mexico
Uh oh... whoopsie
Skipping things people want to see is TIGHT!
random kid: shows up
also random kid: shoots and kills main character
I Fell off Fear the Walking Dead when the Dad got killed off. The relationships between the family was my biggest drawing point, and if their just gonna start killing them off I didn't have any interest in the show. Glad I didn't watch them kill the other 2 off as well. Jeez, what a way to kill a show.
Season 3 was amazing. I was so mad when they killed Troy. He was the best character on the entire show. And then season 4 sucked, I hated how they skipped ahead.
Man they hit a goldmine in season 3, the show was really becoming something to the point it had way better storytelling the the Saviors arc. Then Gimple came it and destroyed the show.
@@LeeEverett1 Gimple is the worst! TWD has been much better without him
Lee Everett duuuuude season 3 was SOOO GOOD i was waiting for season 4 for SO long just to be disappointed
"FTWD is dead and like one of its walkers, it's now wandering around aimlessly and needs to be put out of its misery..."
When you're right... you're right !!!!!!
Hello! I've watched before, but this video got me thinking, what would *I* do if I'd handed the reigns for Fear. I personally think their main problem was having a screwy timeline in the first place. The timeline of the actual fall doesn't make enough sense for it to work pacing-wise. *But,* if I had been told to write the pilot, this would be my pitch:
We open on a family, (either the Clarke’s, or following the Morales family would be a cool tie-in with my ending), and they get a call saying that their grandfather has had a heart attack. We follow them rushing to the hospital, saying bye, to grandpa, etc. Grandpa flatlines and dies, and the family tearfully starts to leave, but then they hear stirring behind them. They turn around and see Grandpa moving and twitching. He’s still flatlined, so they stare, confused and horrified. He gives a final twitch and his bloodshot eyes open as the granddaughter says “Grandpa?” *Cut to title card*
The rest of the first season follows the family trying to wrap their heads around what the hell happened, and the cases of dead people coming back and behaving oddly popping up over the country. The first season ends with the president making a speech to the country about “grave times ahead” and putting the country on a national lockdown.
Season 2 (there’d only be 2 seasons) follows the family dealing with being quarantined. (yeah yeah I know it hits too close I promise we don’t stay in quarantine) They’re locked down and desperate for answers and news from the outside, which is being denied to them. The midseason finale is them getting ahold of the quarantine-zone doctor and threatening them for information. (Perhaps Madison’s role if we keep the Clarkes?) The doctor reveals what we as viewers know--that the dead are coming back to life and eating people.
The second half of season 2 follows the world being unable to cope with the pandemic and falling apart. Our main family watches the cities be bombed, quarantine zones be abandoned, etc. The family and other side characters flee and form a settlement outside of the city, much like Rick’s group at the quarry. The series finale is some of the group members wandering around, looking for supplies. They come across the hospital where Rick is. The final shot is a zoom-in on the hospital, zooming through the destroyed hospital and all the way into black...and with a jolt Officer Rick Grimes wakes from his coma.
Ah yes, my favorite spin-off show with 3 seasons and only 3 seasons. And John Dory really was too nice for the show he got stuck with lol
Scott Gimple is a scourge on TWD universe. I’ll never forgive them for killing Maddison in such a disappointing and stupid way.
Yeah Angela Kang is SO much better for TWD
Well is she dead we did not see a body.
I think they should have offered Frank Dillane (Nick) the opportunity to appear in the movie with Rick. Also Madison should have never died.
Matt S I don’t know about that one, Nick is pretty dead unfortunately. I would love a Fear movie with Nick, Madison and the gang after the dam explosion
TommyG97 1 No I mean they should have made him leave the show and go to the movies, I would have written it to be that he just didn’t come back in season 4 and the Clark family just didn’t know what happened to him.
Matt S ohhh my bad I mis read that. I would’ve loved having Nick in the Rick movies. I always theorized how their meeting would be
Madison's death was the last nail in the coffin for this show
I feel like they could've done a whole lot more with the fall of La and the fall of society in general.
Wasnt it a budget issue? The show’s scope was way too big for AMCs wallets apparently
Brilliant review of the series! Explained very well. I have tons of complaints about FTWD, but I didn't realize what happened with the posters - Thank You! Yes, what happened with the ratings of Season 4 episode 1 is how Gimple operated with TWD, too, taking advantage of the hard work others have done - lots of people watched S4 E01due to being so satisfied with Season 3 (along with the SuperBowl) and in TWD, viewers got heavily invested in the story & characters in Season 1 thanks to Frank Darabont, then Gimple and others took advantage of all the hard work he did, when they fired him for being upset that they were not doing their jobs properly.
If only more actors, other than just one, would have protested when Darabont was unjustly fired in the very beginning and had Gimple's group of a-holes removed, imagine how amazing the franchise would be! The Science Fiction & Horror genres would have a better reputation and viewers would have quality shows to watch. When Darabont was in charge, the story engaged us and made us use our brains to think, but the storytelling from all the shows now is nitwitted, braindead, and humiliating for everyone.
I recently went back and watched season 1 and the first few EP of season 2 that Durabont produced and directed. Man is it a wayyyyy better show. It doesn't feel the same as at all you can feel The Green Mile and Shawshank in the production and camera work. It's a masterpiece of film made for television. Glen and Rick in the city...Mearle on the rooftop...Otis and Shane at the school...Everything about it is exponentially better. Then FTWD starts off with so in much potential...and it's ruined by another Gimple/Hurd/AMC takeover. FTWD then immediately begins using the same camera filters, character development and shitty writing. AMC ruined everything The Walking Dead franchise could have been....
34 minute long Predatoure videos are the only thing keeping me sane in quarantine
I agree... Although... I find the lack of Scotty G disturbing...
AlejoConejo2209 I heard that Josh and Scott aren’t on speaking terms after Josh found Scott farting into his cereal... Here’s hoping Scott finds it in his heart to forgive Josh and continue being in his video!
@@AlejoConejo-vb8ln haha don't worry, i plan on the next video being something more stupid/lighthearted so Scotty G will make an appearance
UA-cam as a whole is what keeps me sane during these times. At this rate I'm running out of content to watch tbh
The show ended after the explosion, I stand by this and its canon.
Morgan
not anymore i believe
@Cameron Hawthorn yes*
A year out from this comment and I still stand by my beliefs. I don't have faith in Madisons return being handled in a way that she deserves, so unfortunately I'm still actively choosing to the believe the show unfortunately got cancelled ahead of its time and ended at Season 3. Damn shame.
@@MikeisMAV wait what are the chances i see this video and comment 10 hours after you reply to yourself 1 year later...dunno if that makes sense but thats crazy
I could see why some people weren’t too fond of the direction the earlier seasons went, becoming a spin off rather than truly exploring the first days/weeks of the apocalypse and the effects it had on its environment/people but at least (to me) season 1-3 was a solid and enjoyable experience and the setting in Mexico during the 2-3 season gave a fresh new perspective for the walking dead universe. New people, new behaviours/attitudes, new events.
That being said, season 4’s time jump and change in setting was in my opinion one of the shows biggest mistakes. Things became a lot more predictable and cliche’d and just plain stupid. Scott gimple basically just got a hard on for having a spaghetti western esque zombie show and changed everything to achieve that with the addition to shoe in Morgan.
what pissed me off was when they changed the intro to some kind of happy tune the original intro actually made jump and get ready to see some violence.
Hi everyone, just some quick points about this video that I want to clarify:
1: I know i missed out on some important points, some of which I have mentioned in my other Fear videos on this channel, and in hindsight I probably should have brought them up again.
I should have mentioned that Frank Dillane wanted to leave Fear before Season 4 began, although I still feel that Fear should have handled Nick's death differently to how they did, and should have still done away with all the flashback nonsense.
2. I know there's a few points that i may have gotten wrong, but in my defence this was the longest script i've ever written, so you'll have to forgive me for messing up a few times!
3. You're all aware by now i normally film my videos using a video camera, but i decided to just use a mic for this video because the subject matter is quite dry and serious and i didn't think me being on screen would really add anything to it.
Don't worry, i'm not planning on switching back to making all my videos like this, i prefer recording using a camera to talking to a microphone, but i might do make some more lengthy videos in a similar style to this one in the future.
4. Sorry if the audio quality dips at point, but i recorded it in one take and it took over an hour to record so there was no way i was doing it again!
And that's it, i hope you like the video, like i said it is a bit of a serious video, so I might do something silly next, i'm in the mood for making something a bit more lighthearted next. Hope you're all keeping safe, let me know if there's anything else you want me to cover in videos. :)
Man, you should make a video about why The Walking Dead itself is still so good. I made a video like that myself.
ua-cam.com/video/TRyHypPvhk4/v-deo.html
But since I don't have much subscribers people haven't watched it yet.
I'm pertty sure you can make a better one and get more people back on board for the ratings of the show. Stay safe.
You should do another Gimple Q&A :-) that was halarious.
Kaveh Teimory . Really liked your video. It was spot on :-)
@@wlsmojo thank you!
Honestly your being too hard on yourself. I enjoyed this video as much as the others. I do miss your roommate Scotty G though. But I understand, he's so busy being a showrunner and managing the entire zombie universe
Morgan should've had his own spin-off series with John Dorie, June, and Althea (and every other character that followed up after, so Jim, Sarah, Wendell, Clayton, Logan). FTWD should've continued on focusing on the Clark family + Daniel, Strand, Luciana, and Taqa. Nick should've been the one leading the horde inside the baseball stadium since he had to die (the actor wanted to leave the show). Madison should've gone on to lead the group and grow as a strong leader. Dwight could've been introduced in FTWD or the Morgan spin-off since it makes sense for him to go wherever. He could even appear on both because he will follow his wife throughout the entire country.
This show totally ruined its potential by killing off Madison and Nick. Their deaths didn't even seem to have a huge impact on the other characters and it's downright stupid.
Nick's death was kind of unavoidable, his actor was ready to move on to other things. And they're undoing Madison's "death" so...
fuck madison... though she can die but nick nah they failed it and yeah also agree about them not carring to much and it was too fast
Right like where did Taqa even go?! He & his tribe were a great addition to the show, & then they just vanished! 😒
Nick was my favorite too! That one scene when he was cool strolling through the zombies…loved it!
great video! great points, very articulate, and engaging pacing! keep up the good work!
Season 2 and 3 are amazing. Why couldn't we follow the badass group lead by Madison...
I stopped watching after the mid-season of Season 4,i lost interest,because,it turned into a Morgan spin off,it should've stayed a show focused on the Clarks,also Nick and Madison dying didn't help to keep my interest.
This is a perfect statement; it did turn into The Morgan Show. And I detest Morgan.
the series was about a dysfunctional family surviving in the zombie apocalypse.
The actor for Nick wanted to leave. His choice. Not the show runners.
Jonathan Ramirez he left because they destroyed the show
and then, there was season six...
Good video man and i agree with everything you said almost like what i was thinking myself. Sad about how Fear turned out after season 3 it was a rolldercoasted for a while there but they had to go and ruin it lol
When Morgan Jones crossed over the show plummeted. You cant have a passive person as leader during end of the world.
That's debatable because Morgan isn't a passive person, he just chooses to be so he doesn't go into that clear phase again, if he needs to he will kill, it's why I really like Morgan and wish he could go back with Dwight and sherry to the og twd show bc gimple fucking ruined ftwd and Morgan Dwight and sherry does not deserve to be on this shitty show.
I really was disappointed by FTWD, it had everything going for it by not being afraid of showing way more gore but I gave up at the end of season 3...
Wierd that you gave up when it was still at its best. Most people love the first 3 seasons.
Yeah I loved the first 3 seasons, but I had a look at 4 and just didn't like it as much tbh
same!
It was going OK for a while there, then it just fell apart. If I wanted to watch a zombie soap opera, then I'd just watch TWD.
"Sorry Nick, this is my show now." - Morgan 'No-violence' Jones, 2018
Honestly if they kept going with their main characters a bit longer this show would of been a smash hit.
Riiight. Their main characters were unlikeable assholes.
You nailed it. Every single thought I had you said. Gimple is a murderer.
FTWD lost me with one line: "9 days later" when Chris mused about the time spend in Quarantine. The only thing I really wanted to see a show tackling a believable take on how society would collapse in an outbreak slow zombies, but we aren't shown that. Probably because the writers had now clue how to make that a believable story to tell - so they just skipped it. After they skipped in what I was interested in the first place, I stopped caring.
Same here. I carried on watching for a few episodes after that but then once society had fallen it was essentially TWD with inferior characters, so why would I want to watch that? Made it halfway through the second season. Was a real missed opportunity.
I agree. They should have never done a time jump in the first season. It was suppose to show a slow burn, not just get into it. that's what got me to watch it in the first place. Then I stopped watching, after Alex's last appearance.
Exactly. FTWD became just another version of TWD, with fresher zombies. I really wanted to see the 'nuts and bolts' explanation of how a fully technological and sophisticated world technology of the 21st century could be taken down and collapse in the 30 or so days Rick was in a coma. Instead we got 'just because...' broad-brushstrokes. Guy looks out the window of a plane at night. L.A.'s grid goes dark chunk by chunk. There! That's your explanation. Shut up and like it.
By the way, if you want to see a 'nuts and bolts' highly detailed description of society disappearing, read 1958's 'Alas, Babylon' about a small pocket in central Florida that survives nuclear war. Author: Pat Frank.
I'm actually surprised how many of us really wanted that slow burn. I wonder if most audiences have the tolerance for that anymore? It would probably take a caliber of writers higher than AMC would want to pay. Maybe HBO or Showtime could pull it off. I really want to see a good group of characters from day one when the very first headline comes out, and then I want it to take a few months or maybe even a year or two as civilization slowly unwinds and no one seems able to control any area for more than a few weeks or months - I want to see what areas of the world really fall first. Would it be rural areas? The suburbs? The cities? Slow burn is where it's at. I really hoped FTWD would be that.
Same I really wanted to see at least like 3 seasons dedicated to society's downfall and a cross the country road trip showing its the same everywhere. Eventually resulting in the group going to Alaska and crossing over into Russia by boat or plane and see that the rest of the world is fucked too but there are variants of the zombies.
Season 6 : "Hold my beer" .
I loved your video. I would like to write a fan fiction of what happened after season 3 and follow original characters
Season 4 is as confusing as the SAW movies, flashbacks in flashbacks.
I mean the saw movies aren’t really confusing but ok-
It is so sad to see a once fantastic show get turned into crap. I loved Fear (season 1-3) for what is was. After that, it is no longer the same show. The way I look at it is, season three of FTWD ended on an amazing series ending cliffhanger.
Thank you for another awesome video. I appreciate all the hard work that you do for us 😎😎😎😎😎👍👍👍👍👍
Agree with everything you've said, and no problem, thank you for watching!
my headcanon is season 4 of other countries attempting to control the outbreak and at CDC dr edwin jenner and the other doctors are studying wildfire
Travis died in such a dumb way I honestly thought he was going to come back. It was just so bad.
Kirkman’s stubbornness over not exploring the onset of the start or anything about the wildfire virus has gotten old. I hope they keep straying from his vision in that way
Seeing as the actor of Nick wanted to leave I can understand why they killed him off but the way they did it and the timing were just ridiculous and stupid. Killing Madison in the same Season? Why? What was the idea behind that? I will never understand ... But what I get even less is why push Alicia's characters to the side after doing it? This show was about her family and watching her deal with the loss and being the only one left could have been a really interesting storyline, and the next logical step would have been to push her to be the main character. I would have loved to see her maybe go down a dark path killing charlie and just going into full survivor mode. Morgan could have been incorporated into this so well since he went down a dark path after losing his son. I think what many people don't seem to know is that a big chunk of fear-twd watchers are Alycia Debnam-Carey Fans and making her the main focus of the show could possibly attract even more of her fans to watch the show. I've stopped watching after season 4 but the few chunks i saw of season 5 were horrible and boring. At this point, I'm just praying for the show to get canceled.
Season 7 should have started with in the Bunker, instead of just not showing her until what is apparently supposed to be the mid-season finale. (And her prothesis made out of her own bones is a bit morbid and I would not have expected that from her in any way.)
The show is clearly a victim of a lighter and softer retool. Season 3, was even better than the mainland show imo. Then season 4 happened 😭😔😭😔
Man a prequel following a villain group would’ve been so interesting.
I remember the years of 2011 and 2012, damm Game Of Thrones, Walking Dead and Breaking Bad was the best thing you could watch, what an amazing years. I never understood how they could kill this show so badly
The way I took the marketing and what made me excited for the show was seeing the decline of society at the beginning of the outbreak. When in season 2, they practically abandoned that idea: it was so disappointing. Those episodes with the soldiers in season 1 were amazing because I wanted to know why and how the military/government collapsed. I wanted to see how people rationalised and dealt with the outbreak before it completely destroyed society. Instead it just was one disappointment to the next. I stuck around only for John but gave up with this current season and didn't bother because it just adopted all the tropes and boring storylines of the main series. It took what made it unique: this is the beginning of the outbreak and threw it out the window.
yaaaassssss exactly
Agreed! That premise was the main reason I was interested in watching it.
I think it would be awesome if Virginia's group gets killed off by the Proctors within the first few episodes. Then, it could be revealed that the Proctors have been holding Madison hostage this whole time. Shortly after that, Crazy Dog, Walker, Pickaxe Lady, and Tobias could resurface, and save the day. That, imo, would be a great way to get Fear back on the right track.
Which will never happen as long as Gimple is there
I agree, that would be awesome. But I’m not holding my breath for that
please pitch this idea to AMC
I'd watch a spinoff show with Crazy Dog and Walker all day long.
And then Troy returns and brings Nick back to life! The only way they could save this show
I liked the show when Morgan came on but very disappointed when they killed off John who was my favorite character with his 6 gun and cowboy hat.
You are pretty much spot on with all of this. I was a staunch defender of Fear the Walking Dead since it started. It wasn't great but the show slowly gained its footing and, as you say, felt fairly accomplished after season 3. I was actually pretty excited by the news that Morgan was going to join FTWD since he was probably my favorite character on TWD at that time. And I thought season 4 of FTWD was actually decent. The crossover mostly worked (for me) from a story perspective and I admired AMC's attempt at creating a cohesive Walking Dead extended TV universe. But season 5 of FTWD was utter trash. Honestly, one of the worst and most misguided seasons of TV I've ever sat through. Most shows that bad I would never stick with, but as a fan of the show since it's first season I wanted to see it through. And, unfortunately, the show has never recovered and has been aimless claptrap ever since. It's too bad because, as I said, I thought AMC's attempt at creating a TWD TV universe was a worthwhile goal if done right. It's too bad that AMC has completely fumbled everything with their TWD universe. The main show is not good and hasn't been for awhile, while FTWD and the new World Beyond show are truly awful. Makes me wonder whether a successful TWD extended TV universe is even possible? My answer to that is that with the right creative team it is definitely possible. And more importantly, IT'S STILL NOT TOO LATE! Unfortunately, AMC clearly has no clue as how to make these shows interesting. I think going forward that season 5 of FTWD can probably be studied in film schools as a prime example of what NOT to do when developing a TV show.
Well this was a welcome surprise. Haven't watched it yet but just wanted to say thank you for putting a smile on my face despite the fact of going back to work tomorrow. Will tuck into this later. Hope all is well.
No problem dude, hope you're staying safe at work
@@HeyJoshyJosh Thanks man. It's all good ta. Hope it isn't too stressful for you in local government. PS Vid was excellent btw.
The show would have done better if I wasn’t killed off
twdeffect. Frank wanted to leave around the same time that Erickson was removed as showrunner. I think he saw the writing in the wall and got out before it went bad.
MrBenjy1991 The change in showrunner is most likely was the reason Frank left though. He announced he was leaving around the same time that AMC fired Erickson.
@twdeffect. The decision to remove Erickson was made after season 2 not 3. Frank said that it felt like an end of an era. Frank most likely wanted off the show before it went in a new direction. A season 3 death would have done that but he agreed to stay on for part of 4.
@twdeffect. I just wonder if his choice would have been different if a reboot wasn't coming up in the following season.
twdeffect. I think that’s parts of it.
Honestly the change of showrunners in season 4 ruined the show, because the original plan was so good with Madison becoming the villain and like no time skip.
13:20 yeah, even before watching the video, I thought "The introduction of Morgan into the series likely has something to do with it." And yeah, at the end of the season we only got a glimpse of Madison's survival, then the next season starts with a whole new cast of characters (or "new" in case of Morgan) and none of the older characters. Later the reveal that Madison died off-screen.
It goes even further, that the original series did a 6 year time-skip without Morgan. So whenever Morgan talks about going back to Alexandria in FtWD, we as the audience already know "that's not going to happen."
19:46 The way they avoided talking about Madison, I kind of expected a reveal of Madison betraying her own ideals and the Stadium by joining that gang of car-nomads or whoever they were.