How Fire Type Pokemon Became Broken
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- This is the history of Fire Type Pokemon and how they went from bad to broken!
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You guys get JPR Friday an hour early bc I’m sitting the World Championships crowd rn lol, enjoy!
Also wanted to clarify, Hidden Power is a Gen 2 move, but didn’t see widespread usage until it was reworked in Gen 3, just thought I should clarify that point
@JPRPokeTrainer98ChronomonHM,Could Be Translated To Fire/Fairy Type,With His STAB Moves:Holy Flare And Corona!
I thought your favorite fire type was Scovillain?
How was Hidden Power reworked in Gen 3? I don't recall anything like that happening.
@@robertlupa8273 The IV system was technically the part that got reworked, so you’re both right.
A few things you missed or just skipped over.
In Generation 2, Fire gained a resistance to Ice and Steel, meaning the Fire type went from a pretty average 3 resistances, to the type with the second most resistances of any type in one generation. By Gen 6, Fire's Resistances had Doubled from where it was in Gen 1.
In Gen 4, Stealth Rocks were introduced, which made Fire types tricky to use. The ones that did see usage typically had a neutrality to Stealth Rocks. One of the reasons behind Heatran seeing wide usage was because of it's neutrality to Rocks, although having 11 resistances at the time, as well as two immunities, one natural and one from it's ability certainly helped.
Gen 6 gave us Megas, and by far some of the best Megas were the Charizards. Despite it's glaring Stealth Rock quad weakness, Mega Charizard Y was one of the strongest Fire Types in Gen 6, being a powerful Sun setter that could immediately take advantage of the weather to fire off boosted Fire moves or no charge Solarbeams. Charizard X was the more Physically oriented version but dropped it's Flying type for Dragon, making it Neutral to Fairy and taking less damage from Stealth Rocks. The fact Charizard had two Megas would set up some mind games. Would you have to face Sun boosted Flamethrowers and Heat Waves, or Tough Claws boosted Flare Blitz?
And while you did meantion Incineroar, I think it bears mentioning to how insane Incin is. This Pokemon is perhaps the most deceptively bulky Pokemon out there. Typically, when you see base 90 or 95, in a stat, you don't bat an eye (Flareon can relate). But through what I can only assume is some black magic, Incineroar is able to live hits like no other. And like a heel wrestler, it's can pull out the most absurd moves. Fake Out, Snarl, Flare Blitz, Will-o-wisp, Knock Off, Helping Hand, U-Turn, Parting Shot, Taunt, Leech Life, Close Combat, Throat Chop, Stomping Tantrum, Acrobatics, Swords Dance, Darkest Lariat, the list goes ON. It is perhaps the most absurd Fire Type Pokemon to date, at least in VGC. Whenever it is legal, it will almost certainly be top 10 in usage.
Finally, in Gen 8, Heavy-duty Boots revolutionized the Fire type. Gone were the days of fearing Stealth Rocks and now the Fire types would have their day.
So would I say the Fire type is one of the most powerful types? Yes, 200%, yes. It's also one of the types that has quietly gained more and more power, much like a fire does.
It is hilarious how insanly good incinaroars movepool is. You missed a good few too
Swords dance, nasty plot, baton pass, thunder punch, drain punch, low sweep, low kick, earthquake, bulldoze, body slam, trailblaze, iron head, freaking outrage
The cat is the swiss army knife of competitive Pokemon its so good
Incins movepool is so good it doesn’t use half the moves you mentioned although it did lose this years world championships so give it another buff like upper hand
Steel, ghost and fairy are still better imo
I find it so funny that FIRE of all types is mediocre at best offensively but the second best defensive type ever.
gen 10 should really just focus on rebalancing the type chart so Bug, Steel, and Poison dont suck while Fire and Water arent illogically dominant.
Also just give every Gen 10 electric type levitate.
Hitting Steel, Bug, Ice, and Grass with a burn secondary effect isn't mediocre at all. Nearly half of all attackers never want to switch into a fire move.
Fire is definitely underrated defensively though. Heavy Duty Boots made defensive fire types very real.
@@F14thunderhawk balancing pokemon is impossible.
@@F14thunderhawkSteel sucking is a wild assessment. Yeah sure, offensively it's mediocre but for most Pokemon, getting Steel type as a blessing.
@@F14thunderhawkWhile I do agree that the type charts needs a bit of a rebalance, Steel is one of the best types in the game.
Sure it isn’t offensively great but it’s the single best defensive type in the game and the majority of Pokémon only benefit from having it
Fire is definitely not the best type but its become one of the best counters to the best types
it's like an anti-meta type
If you're in Hawaii and see JPR the only appropriate greeting is "Good morning JPR, good morning. It's everybody" regardless of what the actual time of day is
I thought the appropriate greeting in Hawaii was “Aloha”
@crimsonmaelstrom573 are you sure it's not "alola!" 😅 lol
@@Emily-lh6em I was wondering if someone was going to make that reference 🤣🤣
@@crimsonmaelstrom573 I'm sorry I couldn't help it lol 🥹😅
Fire types have been my favorite starters ever since I was small, so it becoming so good makes me happy
always chose the fire type starters, except Gen 2 and Gen 5
@@theamazingspooderman2697 I ain't the biggest fan of Cinderace thanks to it's design. Since I really like piggies, I think Emboar looks cool as hell, but being the third Fire/Fighting starter in a row affected his reputation.
1:57 fun fact, the weather moves being from Gen 2 is why Solar Beam is 200 power in the Let’s Go games, since there’s no way to bypass the charge turn without it and GF wanted to keep LGPE mostly faithful to Gen 1 and not include them. It applies to Sky Attack too since there’s no Power Herb due to LGPE not having held items
10:24 It also helps that fire can deal with a lot of grass's weaknesses
Fire - a lot of fire type pokemon can have Flash Fire as an ability. Heatran being the most prevalent. But Armorouge, Ceruledge, and Arcanine are also big threats that can have that ability
Ice - fire beats ice. Not to mention, aside from a small handful of pokemon, most ice types (for some reason) are slow. So most of the time, a fire type can outspeed and KO
Bug - next
Flying and poison are really the only types you'd need to worry about. But going from 3 weaknesses down to 2 at the push of a button is a pretty good trade, I'd say
*5 weaknesses to 2
@@goGothitaLOL oopsie they meant going from fire's weaknesses (3) to grass's weaknesses (2)
What’s crazy is rock covers all of grass weaknesses!
Rock beats fire, ice, bug, and flying. Rock also resists poison! So there’s some counter play to every weakness. Rock and steel are the only types that pairs with grass better than or as well as fire does
As a basic boi who loves charmander and always runs fire on a playthrough…this video made me very happy(:
SAMEEE
By the way, if you didn't notice, Fire is really underated as a defensive type
The second most resistances of any type, 6 in total. Any wonder why Heatran is goated?
Thinking in gen 1 fire types only resisted Bug, Grass and Fire moves is insane how much they improved.
Not having them resist Ice until Gen 2 was wild to find out.
I know. It makes so much sense, it’s hard to imagine why Fire didn’t resist Ice to begin with.
Don't forget that it didn't resist ice in generation 1, which they changed in generation 2 along with it resisting steel, so it got two resistances between the generations
plus back in gen 1, almost every ice type that gen was part water, so fire was pretty bad against ice that gen ironically
Gen 9 is the only Generation where all three Starters have amazing Hidden Abilities.
And busted moves. I hate gen 9.
@@TheSh4dowgalegen 8 also had pretty busted moves
Your mom has an amazing hidden ability… that sounded weirder than I intended.
@@TheSh4dowgale Why would you hate the fact that Starters can actually be competitively viable, introducing tons of the younger generation to advanced Pokémon tournaments? Do you not like feeling like a hole in the wall badass anymore?
@@TheSh4dowgaleYet guess the two strongest starters?
Ah, back then when Pokémon almost didn't have any coverages and they mostly ONLY knew moves to their types.
Also love how Torkoal basically became a fire type Peliper where in their debut Gens they was kinda useless/bad but recently got a buff and a much better ability to boost their popularity now!
And my favorite fire types is Arcanine, Alolan Marowak, Turtonator, and Kantoian Rapidash. 🔥
someone forgot their way to Spilling the Milk
Flys under the radar but the drop off of stealth rock usage really helps out a lot of fire types that are 4x weak to rock.
10:16 Fire tauros am I joke to you
Yes
Watch Game Freak make Litten the Fire Starter in Legends Z-A just so that Incineroar can get a Mega Evolution
As a non competitive player I thought fire types would be bad because of stealth rock weakness but then I remembered incineroar exists
Not really because of Incineroar.
Incineroar is a really mid Pokémon in Smogon singles, where stealth rock is basically mandatory.
Incineroar is the best Pokémon in VGC, the format where I've never seen stealth rock ever being used.
It's because switching isn't as common in VGC as in Smogon singles. And a VGC game doesn't last nearly as long as a Singles game.
Guess the design team hasn't burned out yet ...
Instead, things are about to heat up!
Hopefully the designs are going to be fire!
You missed stating that in gen 2 steel types were introduced which gave fire another type match up to win against. Also, the physical/special split was introduced in gen 4 which helped all Pokémon
Water may've consistently been the most populous of any type for a long time, but Fire is the basis of what keeps life going in one form or another for building up. It shows this in more ways than one. Be sure to check out the Leeward Islands northwest of the main islands if you can, stretching to Kure Atoll before or after the World Championships.
Wtf are you on about? Bot?
Fire for building humanity & metagaming, in both senses as time goes on
Well, that's 8 types down and 10 to go. You've done Bug, Normal, Grass, Ice, Dragon, Steel, Ghost, and now Fire. I wounder which one will be next. Considering you've done two of the Starter Types, I wounder if Water will be up next, or maybe Electric since that is techncially a Starter Type to, at least in Yellow and Let's Go Pikachu.
Psychic, dark, fighting and fairy imo would have interesting videos
@@LegendaryCaptain Oh yeah, I can only imagine the jokes he'd make about how broken Psychic was in Gen 1.
5:54 *Cries in Chandelure*
Hot Take.
By the end of Gen 10 we can confidently say Fire and Ghost are the best types in the game hands down.
Right now while you can make arugments for them a lot of people say its probably Steel and fairy
my favorite fire type i can't really pick between 3 of them Darmanatan, Fuecoco and Centiskortch
7:27 I was today days old when I realized these 2 use the same color pattern
this is the year of fire. in pokemon fire types are becoming beast and in yugioh pyro monsters are recking havoc on the game.
My favorite fire types are Talonflame, Cinderace, Chandelure, Salazzle, and Incineroar
we didn't start the fire....type
It was always burning since Gen 1 was turning
No we didn’t light it, but we tried to fight it…with water
I just discovered that song today and it’s been on repeat in my car. Thanks UA-cam music suggestions!
Fire and Water are really top tier types! Grass is very skilled. Electric isn't a terrible type. In other words, all the starter types aren't unskilled.
Every Pokémon Game I Played Fire Type Starter Every Time.
My Favorite Is Infernape.
I like you show Charizard looking sorry in the thumbnail as if The Pokemon Company hasn't been pushing it to be That Guy since gen 1
My fav fire type is ninetales. It's regular and shiny form are very pretty.
Same as me I love Shiny Ninetales
Charizard is my favorite and go to for any pokemon battle depending on my opponent's set up
Watching this video made me realize BOTH fire and ghost went through a similar history of GRADUALLY getting better through the generations to the point where their glow up and buffs are more subtle and also both are a common pairing these days along with having a bunch of great mons in gen 9.
As for other types I think the psychic video would be interesting like normal with how it fell off compared to gen 1, dark had its own identity crisis pre physical/special split and fighting had its own ups and downs
It's my favorite type and since it's so hard to choose my fav fire pokemon, I will have to say Charizard, it seems fair enough
DANGIT JPR 😂 How dare you make us wait so long for another type video? 😂😂😂
I loved the avatar reference at the start nice it’s a nice touch
I like that avatar the last airbender refence :D
I do think fire is underrated af. They have a lot of resistances and hit a lot offensively. In vgc they shine likely because of a lack of stealth rocks, although water is definitely dominating right now so we currently only see Incineroar. Other fires are good because of Tera such as Volcarona.
Unfortunately I think fire in singles struggle still because of stealth rocks and being forced to run boots. Cool video though! Didn’t realize how much fire really has!
I’d love to see a video of the history of poison types, I think they’re up there as one of the most underrated.
I almost always pick the fire starter the only exceptions being Gen 3 and Gen 6.
I see fire starters as the most popular. Personally I usually choose grass starters, beside Tepig and Fuecoco
Fire is also my most chosen Starter type. Although, the only Gens I don't pick Fire are 5, 7, and 9. I love Serperior and Primarina a lot more than Emboar and Incineroar, and while Skeledirge is cool, I love Meowscarada more.
Treeko and Oshawott fs
Torchic was my first pokemon so always love fire types.lot mons getting mystical fire too
Fire has always been my favorite type so it’s awesome to see it doing so well. I remember as a 5 year old kid playing Pokémon Stadium with my dad I would pick 6 fire types and he’d just pick 6 water types and I’d get so frustrated I couldn’t beat him but I refused to pick anything other than fire types lol
Ceruledge Supremacy.
I play a Lilikoal team with a Tera grass Ceruledge. STAB Solar Blade if I need it or STAB, Sun Boosted Bitter Blade, while also being immune to fire due to the ability. Great times
9:16 Indigo Disk Elite Four
Aye you also noticed
Started Gen 2 with being super effective against steel. Three of my best in OU team were weak to it in Gen 4 (Substitute Jirachi, Metagross and Lucario). (The other 3 were a Specsmence lead (which is what got that Pokemon banned after I played on Shoddybattle for 2 weeks (they never switched their Swampert and Machamp leads and got 1HKOed by Draco Meteor) banded Tyranitar to go with Lucario and Metagross and my beloved physical wall Gliscor). Yeah back then I technically wasn't going to be winning against a team with both Infernape and Heatran and I was sure of it. But...not many people ran them both :) None that I can remember anyway so it was always my fear to run into both of them. Oh and if you're wondering who the best player in the world in the 4th gen considers his favorite fire type: Ho-Oh.
Fire type has always been my favourite type so I am happy that it is becoming so good
Always been my favorite type, love seeing fire types be so good, especially my boy arcanine🤝
My favorite Fire type is Chandelure, which happens to be my third favorite overall!
One of my favorite things do with my fire type party members is give them Sunny Day and Solar Beam.
For clarity, I've only played gen 3 and 4 games plus Alpha Sapphire. I keep forgetting other games have come out since despite watching UA-cam videos that prove otherwise. I have nothing against the newer games, just made a choice on which console I wanted to stick with due to budget.
Yeah I can't even finish the video. I know youtube isnt quite the wild west that it used to be but i'm like oh, we're doing that ok.
For The Fire Nation!!!!
How to make Fire great:
1. Make it advantageous against two of the best types in the game, Steel and Fairy (no, Fire isn't super effective against Fairy, but it resists it - still an advantage)
2. Make it useful in a weather that boosts your own moves and lowers the moves of the type that has the biggest advantage against you
3. Make almost all mons be able to learn a devastating move that is super effective against all three types that are super effective against you, and is used in one turn with aforementioned weather
4. Not have a lot of Special Rock and Ground moves, so that tanky Fire mons *cough* Torkoal *cough* can easily take all three types under the sun.
There's also the fact that Terra Grass makes your Offensive Threat Fire type immune to Amoongus Rage Powder... just as a neat trick.
Also, #59 will always be the best Fire mon. You know... as long as we ignore VGC, stupid wrestle cat... Arcanine is the best.
Fire has always been my favourite type, even back in gen1 😅
6:24 no Love for Reshiram??
Fire has always been my favourite in anything featuring elements or type, so seeing be so good is 'heartwarming' haha
I wouldn’t say Fire-types had it all bad in Generation 2. The introduction of Steel-types, gaining the resistance to Ice (Fire/Flying types are now neutral vs it as opposed to weak), and Sunny Day all benefitted the type in great ways. Sunny Day Moltres is an absolute nuke in Gen 2 OU, even against Snorlax.
It's gotta be between Ceruledge and Infernape. Gotta love them.
My favorite fire type is Houndoom. It's just an awesome design and I like how it plays. Nice relatively fast special attacker with some niche tools and coverage.
I found my tribe! Houndoom (and Houndour) are my favorite Pokemon period because I love fire and dark types!
High Five man! Fellow Growlithe and Arcanine fan here. They're best boi!
Blaziken is not only my favorite fire-type, it's also the poster chicken for how Game Freak has buffed some individual Fire Pokemon over the years.
Speed Boost *and* a Mega?! Why? Thank you! But why?!
Why? Wynaut ? 😂
@@Emily-lh6em 😐
@@theamazingspooderman2697 I'm sorry ill see myself out 🥲
i love that pmd music!!
Fire really Shouldn’t resist fairy that was an unneeded buff. My favorite fire type is Ninetales
You do know realize all 3 types are weak to EQ, making Fairy spammable assuming they also share a team with a ground-type in the back
@@goGothitaLOL my point is fire is already a good offensive type instead of making it resist fairy that should have been the bug type who is in a dire need of something
fire got exponentially better with tera in multiple ways - hitting steel (a common tera) is already great, but tera grass literally flipping ALL of fires defensive weaknesses from bad to good matchups is broken, but whats even better is that since fire already has the 2nd most resistances and grass has immunity to powder snd spore moves, fire becomes excellent defensively and at countering defense. glad my favourite type has the respect it deserves finally
Fire has almost always been my choice when starting a new generation. I think the only exceptions were gens 2, 5, and 6, but yeah, they've been a staple through my playthroughs. Of all the fire types, I can't just pick one as my favorite, so I'll go with my favorites through each generation:
1- Charizard
2- Ho-oh
3- Blaziken
4- Infernape
5- Victini
6- Talonflame (not a lot of options there)
7- Incineroar
8- Cinderace (arguably my favorite starter)
9- Ceruledge
I think it’d be cool if we had a Fire/Ice starter that was fast but frail.
Instant like due to that Avatar reference 😅
Fire resists the best offensive type and is super effective on the best defensive type, they simply chose to cook
At 6:16 I thought you were going to roast the Pokémon.
I can’t unsee Skeledirge as a crocodile wearing a clown cap 🤡
My favourite Fire type? Gotta be Volcarona. The Matchup Moth that has practically forced teams to use Stealth Rock or die in Gen 5. Need I say how dangerous it is with Heavy Duty Boots?
Through the fire (type) and the flames we carry on!!!!!
Gen introduced dark and steel (weak to fire) to counter physics and gave use forretress and scizor who are both very good and 4x weak to fire.
This led to the rise of dragons who became the dominant type that were weak to ice. Ice is weak to fire.
The physical special split buffed most fire types that were physical attackers.
Fairy was introduced to counter dragons. Fire resists fairy.
The fact that fire was hard countered by the 1st 2 gyms in gen 1 and most of the roster learned a move that countered fire in addition to the fact that about half the fire types were physical attackers hurt fire a lot. But as the game became more balanced, added new game play elements and mechanics I think fire benefitted from it the most.
Mega Zard X
Never got that fire weak against rock an ground but melts steel. An fire an water should cancel each other out
I remember terrorizing gen v to gen vii with V-Create Victini in the sun. Good times.
Salazzle is my favorite fire type Pokemon
I'd say my favourite Fire-type is and always will be my Football Playing Bunny Buddy, Cinderace
Honestly I would like to see the same format of video for other types
Charizard is is my favorite Pokémon in general, followed by Cinderace.
In Hawaii where he will be completely ignored by people who recognize him and other poketubers standing right in front of him.
next video: how water and ground type pokemon became broken
I think a good way to nerf fire is let them take damage while it’s raining. But to make things fair,water types will have their speed lowered in the sun.
Fire also didn’t resist ice back in Gen 1 so Charizard was weak to it
My favorite Fire-type is Chandelure
I don't know of we can fire is good or if just have good Pokemon that happens to be fire type, Inceneroar
gen2 did buff fire types, it made them resist ice and be super effective agaisnt it, and then it resisted steel and is one of the few types that busts them
I have received a text from a Comedy Central worker named Beavis, he used to work at MTV 25 years ago, and he said “Yes, yes, fire, fire, fire”. He then wondered if this video will be followed up with one about Trainer Points for his……bunghole?
My top 5 Fire types are
1) Typhosion
2) Arcanine
3) Infernape
4) Armarouge
5) Victini
I would love for Simisear to get a buff ...
Sound type could help beat fire, steel, fairy, and water
My favorite fire type is undoubtedly Charizard
Ground is the best steel killer, second is fire
ALOLA!
You forgot to point out that in Gen I, Ice was NOT weak to Fire.
Happy JPR Friday sorry I’m late
Isn’t Hidden Power a Gen 2 addition instead of a Gen 3 one or are you referring to the DV drops for each Hidden Power becoming less drastic?
Fire is the Kyle Larson of types. Versatile and can win in anything.
Perfect intro