I feel Yoda doesn’t get enough criticism for this. He’s often accused of being very wise when after over 900 years of accumulated wisdom he only thinks things lead to one place. Ah cake, cake is the path to the dark side.
@@ethos2822 Yoda revealed quite a lot of knowledge but those he revealed it to didn't believe him. On The Phantom Menace we hear Yoda near the end say Anakin probably is the chosen one and that he sees grave danger in training Anakin. I believe that just like Qui-Gon Jin chose to follow the will of the force, Yoda knew the will of the force involving the end of the Jedi Order, but the rest of the council opposed Yoda and allowed Anakin to be Obi-Wan's padwan. What I like about Qui-Gon is his decision to stand contrary to the Jedi Code and choose the will of the force instead. "Anakin will be a Jedi, I promise him." "Do not defy the council master, not again." "I will do what I must Obi-Wan." "If you would just follow the code you would be on the council, they will not go along with you this time." "You still have much to learn my young apprentice." Qui-Gon was clearly not so in tune with the Jedi Order and more in tune with the will of the force.
@@michaelverdon7252 Middle does not mean it's not vulnerable to corruption too. And not middle like Bendu from Rebels, who does not want to (unless insulted and with that enraged) involve himself into a conflict against good rebels vs evil imperials, because he takes no sides and believes death is a fate of all living beings. 🙂
@savageq22boss15 this why I am for Sabine to be trained. Sabine can end the Jedi -- make them obsolete and replace them with a reformed Mandalorian people,
"Not only did Luke allow the order to marry, he encourages it". Except for the Disney version where he makes Grogu pick between family and the force, just like the past order did. It's Jake Skywalker all over again. Wow....it's almost like Disney doesn't have a clue how to write characters, and are more concerned with keeping their crappy sequels than doing it right.
Grogu isn't strong enough in the force that's why he had to pick between Luke and The Mandalorian. Context is important to consider when you complain about things😉
“Disney has no clue how to write characters” I mean if we were talking about the sequels I would agree with you, but since they’ve already written the sequels, they have to at least give it continuity within his new order. And with that being said, the new writing for grogu and the new Jedi order isn’t objectively bad now that we have context.
The Jedi say that attachments are forbidden, yet openly admitting that they were attached to the republic! And it's kinda funny that Yoda knew of the Sith Rule Of Two despite the rule being unknown to the Jedi because they were supposedly wiped out before the rule was made!
@@717jeezy during the high republic era about 240 years before the Fall of the Republic. A Jedi engaged a sith Lord and he was find near death his mind lost and all he kept saying was "only 2 there can be, only 2". Yoda deduced it could possibly be the sith and after the Invasion of Naboo, Mace and Yoda finally 100% confirmed it.
I think its legends but there was a tomb for a sith lord which the jedi went into. A jedi padawan lost himself and tried to destroy the jedi order and become his apprentice. He apparentally told someone that the sith lived and told the rule of two. A part of the council decided to believe this. I think this belief kept going on and yoda and the council atleast heard of it. So when the sith was killed by a freaking padawan they the fear that a sith master still existed hit out at yoda.
@@badrinath5306 I really wanna read whatever material this is as I enjoy reading the books. It always bugged me how Yoda knew of the rule of 2 and padawan kenobi killing maul always pissed me off as well.
I think if Qui-Gon had trained Anakin instead of Obi-Wan, that Anakin wouldn't have went dark side and the order wouldn't have been destroyed as Palpatine wouldn't have been able to corrupt Anakin. I say this bc Obi-Wan was far too young and inexperienced to take on a Padawan learner, he was still basically a child himself. As Qui-Gon said about Obi-Wan when addressing the council "he is headstrong and he still has much to learn of the living force". Obi-Wan may have been ready to take on the trials but he was not ready to take on a Padawan yet. Qui-Gon on the other hand would have been better equipped and able to help Anakin understand and deal with his feelings & the fears he was having. He would've gave Anakin the father figure mentor relationship that was needed to guide him, instead of the brother relationship that he had with Obi-Wan. Brother relationships often turn competitive which will lead to feelings of jealousy and resentment from one brother and that is exactly what happened between the two. Obi-Wan said it himself "We were Brothers", the problem is he didn't need a brother, he needed a father. Which is what Palpatine gave Anakin, he gave him that father figure mentor relationship he needed, in doing so Palpatine was able to gain Anakins trust and was able corrupt him.
That’s very possible. Qui Gonn is one of the only Jedi we see in the Phantom Menace who’s actions and judgment were based solely upon relying upon the Force, not obeying the Jedi Council. That’s pretty much what he tells Obi Wan in one of the first scenes. I’m not saying that Qui Gon was the best Jedi at the time but as far as a teacher and even father figure for Anakin yes. It’s even likely that Qui Gon would even have foreseen the possibility of Anakin turning and provided for his needs to prevent it.
I think in Tales of the Jedi, when Dooku confronts Sidious about Qui Gonn's death, he retorts with the claim of Maul's apparent death, as some sort of compromise. In reality, I am sure Sidious was willing to make that trade, to deny Anakin the perfect Jedi Mentor and rather leave him with the inexperienced Obi Wan instead.
Obi-Wan gets the blame for Anakin turning unfairly. Anakin's reasons for turning to the dark side Don't make any sense. He wanted power. Palpatine offered him power of life and death to save Padme. But when Padme dies anyway, Anakin continues to pledge himself to Palpatine? Why? The thing he wanted most is gone. There's nothing left for Palpatine to give him. Obi-Wan's only fault is being naive and not recognizing how much Anakin craved power.
They are evil, or atleast some members. Mace Windu tried to lead a coupe de ta by murdering the lawfully elected head of state, thankfully Anakin saved his leaders life.
The Jedi by the prequel era had really lost their way and become slaves to their own dogma. There destruction - like the fall of the Republic - had become inevitable by the time the prequels began.
O would say servants rather than slaves its a bit hyperbolic. Like clones are not slaves, conscription or drafted is a slave . And remember the sith spent a thousand years corrupting the republic before this point
Yup, the rebels act so good and pure yet they'd still be throwing the clone army into the war shredder had Palpatine not freed them from thier grip via order 66. Hell the rebels treat thier droids better than they ever treated the clones. Palpatine is basically Star Wars equivalent to President Abraham Lincoln.
Anytime they found the “Chosen One” in bondage and then they left the conditions of that slavery in tact it was obvious they weren’t paying attention to the messages being sent.
@@Imhotep397 You mean you would support Ani's side even if he created a Civil war that may leave no winners?? Because considering that was payback for betraying Ahsoka that might be even worse than killing younglings
I really think that their fate was sealed when they built their new temple on the grounds of an old Sith one in Corrasant. I believe that their arrogance comes because of countless years of exposure to residual dark side energy.
or they just think they are so hot shit. that they think sitting on the sith makes them feel big. they just give more reasons of why no one bother with the jedi's help anymore and more reasons for the sith to destroy them. and that's why this sneak attack worked for the sith. they waited untell the jedi are at there weakest.
@@rickydiscord7671 But imagine if the prophecy has a self inflicted example in the form of a Jedi Civil War. Even if in the end there would be no winner
I mean, when you spend an entire millenia without fighting any powerful enemies, only dealing with droids and fodder space pirates, you're doomed to thinking that you're invincible
They built the temple on coruscant to block the evil radiating from the sith temple below them. They built it there to protect the people for they were the only ones who had any chance of facing that energy. It's a tragic tale of the jedi once again sacrificing themselves for the greater good.
@@sirvantanite1307 Luke stupidest mistake was established a new jedi order while luke can just be solo and leave all the trouble to republic and focus on his training. Both in legends and canon
Yoda kept it to himself, and doomed all the Younglings. What did he think was going to happen to them? Yoda should have asked Asoka to take all the Younglings and keep them far away from the war when she left. She would have remained a Jedi, but more akin to Luke's Jedi, and trained them that way.
Sith USUALLY tries to turn more people to the Dark side... and the kids are real easy pick for obvious reasons.. But Anakin had a severe case of Sand Dread Fever that day of the Order 66
The problem there is that even if Ashoka took the Younglings and fled. Vader and the Inquisitors would have found them eventually. Good example is in Jedi Fallen Order where Cal Kestis has a force vision of training new Jedi, only to be captured by the empire.
Yoda spent his later years predicting the future and knew the Jedi were about to go through a new generation of masters. He knew the force would guide him to the next grand Master and Kenobi was the true vector of this future of the Jedi. Thus he did go peacefully into the force with knowledge the Sith would bring about their own destruction hence the force ghosts. Disney truly dropped the ball with the sequals and only more sequals can fix the time-line.
If Yoda had only trusted Master Dooku and heeded his warnings, perhaps the Jedi survive along with the Republic. Reform was necessary and the Jedi had the personnel at the top to pull it off. If they had the courage. Yoda, Dooku and Windu together would have been very influential.
And it will be equally shared when The Whills see fit to hit the reset button on The Galaxy and make sure the next evolution of sentient beings do not have access to The Force
Not Necessarily, It was all Sidious from the beginning. He manipulated the events of the Clone Wars to gain power. Even the Jedi never saw this coming.
That's like saying a girl was just as responsible for her molestation because she wore a revealing dress.... At the end of the day it's still the molester at fault, and at the end of the day it was the one who destroyed that was at fault. Just like how a girl may be able to avoid being molested by wearing a less revealing outfit, so too could the jedi have stopped the destruction of the sith if they truly followed the jedi ways. But in the end, revealing or not the girl did nothing wrong, and nore did the jedi cause the destruction. The jedi tho flawed tried to their deaths to save life. The responsibility of galaxy being destroyed belongs solely to the one who destroyed. Not to the fools who tried to stop it. Which is what the jedi were fools tricked by an evil they were not prepared for. They were victims like the rest of the galaxy, not perpetrators.
Yes and no, the Jedi acted like war generals but they were killing droids. Still they grew so complacent. The prophecy spoke about a kid that would bring balance to the force. There were hundreds Jedi and TWO Sith, how did they not understand what “balance” would suggest?
I agree, but Sith don’t like competition and are not loyal. They have killed each other many times (especially when they had higher numbers) Darth Bane created the rule of two while Jedi are always recruiting force sensitives
How does balance of numbers apply to a natural law? The force is everything, an energy without any known limit. The jedi train their whole lives to have balance in the force. How you define balance, and how the jedi define balance is completely different. Balance to the jedi is like still water, a feeling of tranquility in the force. Where as the sith are a chaotic use of the force. Their presence is a constant source of rippling energy coursing thoughout the force. So to the jedi balance can only mean the removal of that chaotic source allowing the force to once again reach a tranquil state. They didn't see it coming because they trained their whole lives too get balance, but failed to realize that they were out of their depths. Their knowledge of the force was too shallow and their arrogance too deep that it blinded them. They thought they understood the force and found out first hand how much they really know.
@@sirvantanite1307 because it’s got nothing to do with natural law. Palpatine was the strongest Sith to ever live yet Mace Windu was more than enough to kill him if Ana-bitch wasn’t around. Balance means that if all Jedi and all Sith were put in a room to fight then no one would be left standing.
@WK_MERCURY That's exactly what I was saying. Your understanding of balance is completely different than of the Jedi. The force is a natural law, and balance between the sith and jedi wasn't necessarily the goal of the prophecy. In the end, it was the jedi who survived while all the sith were wiped out. Both the jedi and the sith should have been wiped out for good if the balance was supposed to be jedi to sith ratio.
@@sirvantanite1307 yes I’m aware that my understanding is different than the Jedi but my point is that there understanding is retarded. That’s why they almost all got themselves killed. They were the Uber dominant force in the galaxy yet they though the chosen one bringing balance would mean the Last Sith Lord would die. In their minds this equates to balance. Their understanding was a misunderstanding.
The Jedi and sith are prime examples that you can take both good and evil to far balance is something the Jedi preach but in my opinion don’t fully understand
The fact that the Jedi take very young children to train has Jedi is damning. And of course these children are forever cut off from their families and trained to just not care about them is damning. When Yoda, among others whines that Anakin is too old to start training they are admiting that they want them young so they can more or less brainwash them. Further Yoda's justification for not training Anakin is that a 9 year old kid seperated from his mother who is a slave is full of fear for himself and his mother is a path to the darkside is just WTF. It would be perfectly normal for a kid under the circumstances to be fearful. Yoda's inane comment amounts to it is bad for a kid to be afraid for his mother under the circumstances. All of the shit about suffering and pain that is also there in Yoda's idiocies is so much crap. What all this indicates is that the Jedi order wants recruits who have not bonded with their parents and who show sociopathic indifference to personal suffering and likely other peoples suffering. The Jedi's apparent indifference to the creation of a Clone Army is also quite revealing. The creation of what amounts to a sentient "race" of disposable slave soldiers doesn't seem to bother them.
Except they are not trained to become a Jedi but just protected and given basic education until they come of age and decide to become Jedis. This is also done with permission of the parents. How evil 😡
Its ironic isnt it? they preach apathy and logic yet display nothing but fear and weariness towards Anikan. 🤦♂️ hypocrites cant even follow their own code.
when you get down to it. the only difference between the jedi and sith is how you spell their names, to my mind the jedi of some (to the republic) is a jedi of none for the jedi who loves not all the people of galaxy is as cruel as the neglectful, abusive parents who loves not all of their children.
Sadly they reeped what they sowed. They are arrogant and prideful and didn't see the full picture. Luke's order at least tried to learn from the mistakes
It's always been complicated because of two reasons: First, the Jedi and the Sith were both very wrong in their fundamental understanding of the force, its influence and its nature. The Jedi wanted to treat it like flowing water, not disturbing its natural directions and only using it in a subtle way. (To keep the image up, let's say they only drank from that flowing water, maybe took a few cups to savor.) While the Sith treated it like something that needed to be controlled and directed. (For example, building a dam, and then using the powers of the amassed water to flow a neighboured city). This is why the Sith have always been stronger than the Jedi, at least the Lords and the very trained Sith Warriors. Their understanding of the force was much more suited for warfare and conquest, so Jedi were naturally weaker and naive. This was especially shown in the old republic, if we were to read Revan's story and go beyond it. Because this shows us the biggest flaw of the Sith, which caused them to lose to the Jedi despite being stronger: They were arrogant and selfish, even when formed together in an Empire, they sought to overhtrow their superiors and one another. If the Sith had the same dogmatic way of staying together as the Jedi did, they would have ruled over the Galaxy forever. So while this all is true, the major reason why the Jedi suck fucking ass is because they treat the force in a wrong way, thus making it hard to actually keep peace and harmony. Second reason is the Jedi order has always been problematic in its organization. While the older Jedi Orders were pretty much fine, the new one in the Film-Era was just a major fuckup. Even if their goals were goodhearted, their way of handling things was so bad that it made no sense to actually trust them.
you made me read all this crap to see if you would actually say WHY they are bad and problematic and why they treated the force in a bad way but no... just keep repeating that they did it wrong... that was a fucking waste of time hey?
Even a 1000 years ago jedi Commander Hoff was killing native species because they had a force ability. They had always been political with Jedi actually ruling the republic. Hoff led the army of light against the brotherhood. And even go so far to have grand statues dedicating jedi battles.
Another major crime that the Jedi have committed is using the clones as slaves without giving them the choice to choose. I know the Republic paid the Kaminoans to create them and that the clones were obliged to serve the Republic, but that doesn't mean they have no in choosing their path in life. In the end, the clones became nothing but slaves of the Republic and went through a huge amount of pain and suffering serving under the Jedi. The Republic may outlaw slavery all across the galaxy at the time, but they sure as shit didn't outlaw slavery within their own and the Jedi didn't even considered what the clones were going through or what they actually wanted. All they see is that the clones were nothing but "properties belonging to the republic" (-Shaak Ti) and that they have to serve them loyally. Sounds exactly like the Empire to me. The Clone Wars era Jedi had flaws, but the fact that they can just close their heart to the clones' casualties and being exploited by the Republic really made me lose any sympathy for them when they were all killed during Order 66. At least the Empire back then used soldiers who voluntarily signed up, the clones on the hand were bred purely for war without a choice.
I feel that there was a lot of misunderstanding when it came to the prophecy of the Chosen One. As best I can tell it only says that one would arise to return balance to the Force. There is never a mention that the Jedi would survive the rebalancing unscathed. Their hubris made them think that this meant the destruction of the Sith alone. However, since they had already fallen so far themselves, what actually had to happen was the destruction of both the Sith AND the Jedi as the galaxy knew them. By the end of Return of the Jedi, only one member of the old order, that we know of, survives and I firmly believe that it was because she had denounced the path the Jedi were on. Even Luke admits to making mistakes in his attempt to rebuild the order and that it was time for their old ways to die. In the end, Anakin did return balance to the Force by destroying both the Jedi, through Order 66, and the Sith, by throwing Palpatine over the Throne Room railing. This gave the Force time to heal and balance naturally since the number of Force users had diminished significantly.
This is a very good point - and picked up in other fantasy works (King Arthur, Tolkien etc) where the age of magic is waning. It would have made a very good basis for further films as we see the last magic/force users try to set the world/galaxy on a stable, sustainable path. If all the original books get filmed, Dune will cover this ground. Once could say that as a civilization, humanity today faces the same issues of balancing technological 'superpowers' with social and ecological pressures to find a middle way that avoids destruction.
Some what ifs however reimagined the prophecy of the balance as some kind of horror movie. Would like to see that someday if Lucasfilm creates such reimagination to see what happens
The Force is much, much bigger than just the people using it. The Jedi didn't have to die; they could have been reformed by an Anakin making different choices. As for Luke thinking the Jedi had to die; the point of the movie is that he's wrong, and before his death, he sees that.
The way I see it, the Jedi dogma during the time of the Republic was every bit as destructive as the Sith dogma, if not more so. I think that part of the reason why it became so easy for Jedi to fall was because they had no idea how to actually control their emotions. Instead, they basically shoved it all to one side and ignored it, leaving all their negative emotions to boil and fester like a poison. Then, when something happened to push them over the edge, they couldnt control the resulting surge of power and emotion and ended up getting addicted to it.
The Jedi knew how to control and govern their emotions. They didn't shove them aside; they let them go, and learned how to let them flow away. They were mindful. Anakin wasn't, and that's why he fell.
@@smartalec2001 the typical Jedi were extremely sheltered to the point they could not have emotions. They were psychologically conditioned from literal birth or very early childhood to NOT have dark side emotions- you can't miss what you never had just like a person born blind cant lose their vision because.. they never had it in the first place. Thats why the jedi were very hesitant, rightfully so, to train Anakin because he already had things he missed- his mom. Most fallen Jedi who fell to the Dark side did so because they lost the one attachment that was unavoidable- their Masters or former/current Padawans.
@@eugenewang4650 that doesn't seem right... the few bits of media we see involving young Jedi trainees sees them being tested through experiences of frustration, despair, anger etc. In old canon, one of the final tests for a Jedi padawan was to deal with great loss. It seems fair to say that the Jedi knew exactly what they were up against. Even the adult Jedi show sadness, anger, and more, alongside happiness and humour. Yoda even jokes along with his youngling class. It's clear they know what emotions are, and how to deal with them - training how to have them, experience them, and then to let them go.
In a more practical galaxy, maybe they could’ve saved themselves from order 66 if they actually looked into the Sifo Diyas situation, which then could’ve led to them further investigating the inhibitor chip (or just outright refusing to take the clone army); but I also believe Sidious would’ve had a “plan B” in regards to exactly how he would’ve killed off the Jedi… yet, say they did catch on to everything, the fact the vast majority of Jedi were cut down in Geonosis, they still wouldn’t have a leg to stand on in the ensuing battles. It’s a lot to think about lol
The Republic had absolutely no chance in this war without Palpatine's 'matchfixing'. Cheap mass production of billions, most likely trillions of droids far outweighs the few million clone troopers if the Separatists and Republic were acting independently. If the inhibitor chip failed then the Separatists would win putting Dooku as the puppet leader thus accomplishing Palpatine's goal of the Sith ruling the galaxy once more. A propaganda campaign showing the atrocities of the Jedi during the war would turn them into pariahs thus making their extinctio inevitable but with droids instead of clones killing them off
I prefer how in Legends Luke's Jedi Order fixed a lot of the issues the Republic Jedi had. Too bad Luke started repeating all their failures in Canon. Hopefully moving forward Rey doesn't repeat all the same mistakes with her version.
This is why I don’t like the Jedi. Their code was so rigid and dogmatic, they cut themselves off from the galaxy they swore to protect. There’s also their arrogance. This is why so many Jedi like Exar Kun, Freetan Nod, Darth Ruin, Atris, and so many others fell to the dark side, they were so full of pride and so holier than thou, that if anyone questioned them, they would lose it and abandon the order and embrace the dark side.
It's ironic how their sympathizers try to act like ANAKIN was the one in the wrong when, even if you BARELY scratch the surface of the lore, you'll see that the Jedi's rule would ALWAYS lead to someone falling to the Dark Side eventually Bottling up one's emotions to the point that they start to stagnate and rot is NOT how one properly handles their emotions
The Jedi couldn't be saved there were way too many of them and all their minds were warped to think and believe a certain way. There was absolutely no way they could reverse 800 years of an ideology from anyone's minds. The Jedi could only be saved by being wiped out the same way Darth Bane wiped the sith order out.
@@GC0077 he didn't kill vindican, he only severely wounded him, if malgus hadnt finished him off himself then vindican would have survived too... as for darach, I'll give him credit for his bravery knowing that he would lose and still fighting on til the end but if he was as great as you think then he would have escaped with his life also
Before watching Clone Wars: So tragic what happened to the Jedi, Why Anakin why? After watching Clone Wars: Nah, screw those stoic politicking, arrogant order of sociopaths, who'd rather let bureaucracy dictate who they should and shouldn't help.
Anakin: Sees constant examples of hypocrisy among the Jedi Masters, culminating in Mace Windu describing Palpatine (and why he needed to die) using Palpatine's exact words to describe Dooku. Star Wars UA-camrs: "Anakin fell because the Jedi were too inflexible in their beliefs." Did you guys even watch Revenge of the Sith?
On top of what you said, I have something else to add. In the real world that you are going to experience negative emotions, at least at some point in your life and the Jedi just pretend negative emotions don’t exist. Which, if you ask me leaves you more success to to the Darkside of the force in Star Wars.
I think banes first novel does a great job of explaining everything wrong with the jedi. At the table playing cards talking to the republic soldiers. Naive republic soldiers talk about everyone shaving their heads and bane corrects them we don't shave our heads we are being poisoned by the mines needed for the minerals for ships and armour. They say that at least we pay you for the stuff. And bane corrects again saying that he owes the mine company money for living within the mine since a child. So he's in debt by the mine company. They say the strong rules. And that's how stuff is in non-core worlds. Palpatine order at least created order. It's a really interesting take from a civilian in the galaxy. Before Bane becomes Darth Bane.
Imagine joining palpatine the guy who orchestrated an entire galactic war for power and thinking the Jedi are worse. Anakin Skywalker really had a few screws loose. Amazing he was able to marry Padme.
You do realize that thirteen YEARS passed between Ani joining the academy and him finally falling to the Dark Side, right? Stop acting like it was ALL on the kid's shoulders when the JEDI were the ones who ultimately pushed him to siding with Palps
@jeremyallen5974 the seperatists i.e. Sidious i.e. PALPATINE was actively trying to assassinate Padme. In fact Padme's life was in danger many times due to Sidious schemes. Anakin somehow forgot all that. The war he was fighting and risking his life for was all due to Palpatine's machinations. He suffered because of Palpatine's selfish schemes.
I have to say that I don't think the Jedi were necessary evil I believe that they were somewhat flawed. Something changed over the last thousand years. For years the Jedi weren't allowed to marry or have children.
It's the universal law of corruption that is built into all sentient beings. People would form dynasties and try to further the interests of their children. The Sith faced the same problems much sooner. And dealt with the by making the rule of 2. Jedi simply ignored human nature and made it so no Jedi has any attachments.
There's a comic that takes place between attack of the clones and during the revenge of the sith that shows two jedi children were the ones who erased Kemino from the database.
imo you can't fault the Jedi for allowing Kemino to be erased from the database. It was an inside job, and an impressive display of cloak-and-dagger action, without which there would be no plot.
The issue with the Jedi of the last Jedi Order, during the clone wars era, was that they became arrogant, soft, and apathetic. You can see this in on Obi Wan acts in TPM, ccontrasted with Qui Gon, who was an outlier and "rogue" like among the Jedi. Obi Wan is really arrogant and unfeeling in TPM, "Another pathetic life form" for example. The Jedi became quite socipathic in their late stages. Whereas Jedi like Qui Gon and Dooku actually felt real emotions and empathy. There were some that did feel legit feelings, like Obi Wan during the later stages of the clone wars, and how he did love Anakin. Love. Not just liking him as a fellow Jedi or former apprentice, but LOVED Anakin, like a brother/son. Real emotions. And then there's Anakin Skywalker who was VERY emotional and had an infinite ability to love and.... Hate. But yeah, Luke's New Jedi Order got it right methinks. Luke allowed his Jedi Knights to feel emotions and have love, both familial love and romantic love. Luke felt that love made Jedi Knights stronger and more stalwart. So yeah.
Great Break down and I agree 100% regarding the Jedi becoming too political and falling to the darkside without knowing it. They even Ignored the slavery and murder of Kaleeshi people until they started getting the better of the Yam'rii who had ties to the empire & trade federation.. THEN Jedi showed up to stop the Kaleesh... There were indeed lost to politics and manipulation long before the clones wars.
I don't know what made people think Jedi routinely kidnap kids. They still ask if the kid can join them and it's not a cult. The Jedi could leave anytime they wanted. Nothing was stopping them. Jedi had their problems and could be high and mighty, but they were still good guardians overall.
This is an example of a postmodern interpretation of two clashing forces. Being committed to a binary definition of morality (a belief in 'moral' vs. 'immoral') is not as pure as being 'amoral', which doesn't believe that anything is 'moral' or 'moral', only 'gray'; thus, this means by definition that the Jedi are capable of hypocrisy, but not the Sith. The Jedi will display remorse for when they engage in corruption; the Sith will commit genocide and the people who do these 'religious' Star Wars videos will attempt to justify their actions by pointing out the Jedi's corruption and atrocities in specific instances that may not have been standard practices among their ranks, and which the Sith do purposely. One can be committed to 'good' and thus seek to be 'moral' without being utterly without redeeming qualities at their flaws; the Jedi after Order 66, at least those who survived, were incredibly reflective on where they went wrong. But the Sith do not operate in this way: they accuse 'moral' Jedi of the things that they do without conscience because they know that that the Jedi will be paralyzed by failing to fully live up to their own standards. Meanwhile, the Sith not only engage in the atrocities that they do, they do it for the sake of power itself, and make no apologies in anything they do.
Bingo! Someone here gets it. This is a postmodern/Progressive corruption of our ancient universal values.... and this is a sign of how messed up and twisted people, in the real world, are becoming in our modern era. This way of thinking is being applied to all our ancient legends and stories as well. Such as the Greek Myths. Where the villains are now just classified as "victims" of their circumstances, and are therefore relieved of any accountability. Meanwhile the Heroes are being demonized. For example Persues and Medusa.
The Jedi, with all their failings, and the south with all their failings (at least in the prequel era) is the culmination of darth banes failings. Before bane wiping out the sith, and in the same fel swoop, the Jedi of his era, the “dark brotherhood” were actually working together well in a way the sith never have since, and the jedi were less dogmatic.
Bro the fact that they turned their backs on Ahsoka simply based on a simple accusation and not on evidence and proof tells u everything u need to know about them. Plus why do you think Dooku, Ventress and Anakin turned to the dark side. It’s because the Jedi High Council became too political and too arrogant and began abusing the force for their selfish needs when they should have been following the force, like how Qui-Gon did. It’s clear the Jedi are f'ed up.
One word: Atris. I blame her for this. She's the reason why Jedi such as Mace Windu and Ki-Adi-Mundi exist. She's the reason why they have rules like they do.
Its a troubling thing. For a republic to function, all related aspects of that republic must function according to the will of the republic. Any group inside that republic that operates with its own governance and with a significant military capacity is a threat to that republic. Thus, the jedi had a choice: Continue to funtion independently and probably at odds with the republic, and keeping such ENORMOUS power and influence, or submit for democracy's sake to the will of the republic. To be in a republic, you must submit to its governing forms. And yet over 1000 years the Sith corrupted the governing forms. And they had a POWEFUL means to hide their influence, even right in front of the jedi. What was to be done? The fall of the jedi was inevitable. But then again, that was the will of The Force to bring all within balance again, albeit at the cost of trillions of lives and the existence of entire planets.
@@Passi0n0323 Yeah and also there needs to be Balance and imbalance in the Star wars universe The Chosen One/Sith'ari maybe Anakin? was on the Light side of the Force tipping the scales of the Balance between the Balance and imbalance in the Universe so to fix and make things right and wrong, right Anakin's fate to join the Dark Side was his Destiny, but now the roles were sort of reversed instead of the Sith biding their time and gaining power it was the Jedi instead biding their time and also gaining power.
@@SokwanNhep the dark side will always exist, even if the sith are destroyed, what the problem was how the sith used the dark side, I suggest reading the high republic to see how Jedi are supposed to act.
In the 80s and 90s I use like the idea of the Jedi, religious individuals that had telekinetic powers and who only occasionally fought others, primarily to preserve peace and general tranquility across the galaxy. I'm a big fan of the Star Wars films and books, but the ideas within them are simply untenable and frequently don't make sense, particularly about the Jedi. Here are some reasons why I don't find the Jedi as appealing as I use to two decades ago. The movies have turned the Jedi into violent Taliban-like warriors, who take orders and dont question them, and who play tricks on people and use violence regularly. I have to admit, I'm much less of a fan today. Seems like a secular law enforcement agency in the galaxy would do a better job than the Jedi would. Furthermore, too many Jedis abuse their powers in these films and books, which renders it an organization of potential and incredible corruption. As a law enforcement idea, it fails, which I think explains the falling appeal. The Jedis are good guys until they're not. That sort of thing. Another turn off is that the "Force is about balance", which conflicts with the central idea behind many religions. Many religions push the idea that Good must win over evil. Evil must die so that good can eventually prevail. Since Star Wars pushes a dogma that balance between the light side and dark side is necessary, it's going to turn off a lot of viewers, which see that as annoying friction. In a galaxy where the balance between the light side and the dark side is necessary, what gets solved? Absolutely nothing. The Jedi are forever stuck in a conflict loop then. They sacrifice themselves to let the dark side have a place in the galaxy. Makes zero sense. To be fair, Star Wars films and books should be exclusively regarded as escapist films and literature. The ideas they push are untenable in real life, however, and they're seriously inconsistent and ultimately solve nothing in the Star Wars universe.
The Jedi Order lost their way the moment they decided to follow the will of a corrupt senate instead of the will of the Force. The Sith Order is way more terrible than the Jedi Order.
I still believe if qui-gon jinn was still alive,everything which we all witnessed. Would've happened. Because, unlike the other jedi members....qui-gon was the only wise one within the order. He would've discovered the sith lord true identity before the attack of the clones era....Anakin's mother still be alive and the jedi order would've survived and not have to participate in any war.
Bruh Qui Gon was just as ignorant as the rest of the Jedi. Remember when he steps on to the trade federation ship , Obi Wan says " I feel trouble", with Qui Gon responding " I dont feel anything"don't, despite them walking into a trap. He says this a few times throughout the Phantom Menace.
The Jedi are clearly flawed but not worse than anything done during Sith reign by far which is my biggest critique of Anakin's turn to Vader. Extremes are what trip most force sensitives up, intelligent flexibility is key. Using a tank for an ant makes 0 logical sense.
Sifo-Dyas was well known jedi. It was actually the Darth Plaguies who manipulated him into doing something he thought was good like creating an army to protect even the sith putting up the funding for the clones. Due to the corrupt republic. I suggest you listen to the Darth Plaguies novel. And the bane Novels to give you a better idea on the bane line what it means and the Jedi more so for events before Phantom menace and sidious being student.
well i know he is bound to making mistakes especially with his first student, but he had to have known what his father went through. not being able to express his feelings and/or opening up.
The video seems to be going based on Legends rather than the Disney version that pushes Luke way out of character. For example, Luke refused to kill his absentee father in a duel *after* he became an abominable mass murderer, but Disney had him almost kill his nephew in his sleep out of fear that he *might* turn evil. And then it has him flee from his problems instead of trying to fix them, which is also something he never did in the original trilogy.
He did what the Jedi council would've done. More fairly cause he was the only one to make the decision besides Asoka. Grogu was older and attachments had formed. So for Luke to let him decide makes the most sense. Don't force something so powerful and it won't spoil
The will of the force? In reality you never speak for the force it speaks for itself. The Jedi and Sith are not so different. I suddenly remember from and old holiday book I read. Imagine what the Force will say, The Force: “There are some on this earth and universe of yours… who lay claim to know us, and who do their deeds of passion, pride, ill-will, hatred, envy, bigotry, and selfishness in our name, these so called “Men of the cloth” who are as strange to us and all our kith and kin, as if they had never lived. Remember that, and charge their doings on themselves, not us.”
I THINK that if you want to be one with the force, it would maybe better learn something closer to ying & yang way of thinking. Like force comes from universe/nature and there you can see how well mostly work to maintain balance. Light darkness order chaos, life death, man woman, one can´t exist without another. E.G: earth would not exist with out any off these, also no sun or universe.
Jedi aren't allowed to visit their families or have relationships. Sounds like an HR lawsuit in the making. Starwars Episode 2.5 Attack of the lawyers.
I've loved Star Wars since i could even remember. I was 11 when i went to see Revenge of the Sith in theaters. I just thought it was cool, but i never actually understood nor cared of the politics and why everything happened the way it did. Now im 30. Having lived life, had my personal experiences with good and bad, meeting with all different types of people from all walks of life, and being able to see the world at it's absolute rawest form, the politics of Star Wars interests so much now. I'm rewatching the Clone Wars, and even though I still love all the action, I pay more attention to the political side of things. And the more i rewatch, the more I see how the Jedi had truly lost their way. How the Jedi really lost the sight of what made them the keepers of peace. And it has made me really understand why Count Dooku defected and took the path that he did. Dooku loved his family in the Jedi order, but as soon as he began pointing out the flaws that the Jedi were making, he was met with criticism and was waved off. The final nail being when the Jedi order refused to help his home planet solely because they weren't paying the tax for the Republic. I can't imagine being part of an order that makes everyone in it feel like it's wrong to love someone. I do feel real bad for Yaddle too.
I disagree. The Jedi have fought in wars and led armies many times before and was fine after. You even said in this video that the old Republic Jedi wore armor? Buy somehow the clone armor is worse? Kinda dumb logic
the difference was that the sith before and after the prequel era were militaristic and overly agressive and that was the sith the jedi were prepared against. but after darth bane restructured the order be more manipulators and in the shadows, the game was changed. the jedi were basically fighting an enemy that didn't exist in that form anymore. Hell most of the rule of two sith were either politicians like palpatine or bankers like plaguies. the sith basically inflitrated the republic at every level and it happened in plain sight of the jedi. Plaguies was even alive for most of episode one until palpatine killed him after he became supreme chancellor.
@@BlazeTube626 yeah i get that. I don't think you get what I'm saying tho. I'm just saying that the premise of the video is based on flawed logic. The Jedi dawned armor and fought in wars in the past. The order did not collapse. Honestly had the Jedi of the prequel's era actually put on some decent armor, it probably would've been better, considering most of them ended up getting shot in the back. Tython even had force wars. Your comment is more relevant to the collapse of the order than the whole video.
Yoda was an arrogant prick who destroyed the order because he ran the order like the ancient being he was. He had lost touch with the Galaxy, and when discovering that the Sith has created the clones.. he just rolled over? Refused to do anything, because he was too tired to frigging bother. Yoda was the most powerful, yet blind, Jedi at the ends of the High Republic, which was brought because of his arrogance and refusal to change.
Psychologically speaking, the Jedi dogma would lead to an inevitable implosion. Pretending you don't have emotions is absolutely stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the reason why a Jedi council can't make decisions. They all have beef with each other but will never acknowledge they have that emotion and therefore never actually squash their petty grievances and they just fester. Festering emotions will show themselves one way or another.
I can't ... keep ... explaining ....to people... they didn't pretend, they learned to let go they didn't have beef, they let go of it through meditation they didn't pretend they had no emotions... that's absurd! they tried to work through logic INSTEAD of emotions cause it's the correct way of doing things
@@davidnobre5660 working on the basis of logic over emotion is one thing. Denying your emotions outright is something else. The Jedi want to be the former, but they fall victim to the ladder.
Anakin is still the chosen one tho he is in dark side. he gave birth to luke, gave attention to yoda and the remaining jedi, they protect him and trains him.
Man, this was excellent representation of the failure of the Jedi. I know this is George Lucas's vision, but I am so frustrated on how they treated Anakin. In the clone wars animated series, Anakin saved the Jedi Order, Multiple Masters in battle and even took care of Ahsoka's framing by never giving up and no one, and I mean no one gave Anakin the support he needed. Also, Yoda needs to take more responsibility you're telling me there were no politicians that could not help the Jedi navigate through these issues? Senator Organa, PADME. I'm happy you brought this up because it was a complete failure. Anakin could have saved everyone, and Mace Windu should have been smarter about the attack on Palpatine. Great episode sorry for venting. Anakin is still my favorite Jedi. Luke Legends is a BEAST. I really wish Disney followed some of the novels this would have kept the stories interesting not have Luke die in my opinion the stupidest way possible. Great episode keep up the good work.
Also you have to think about it with all the wise and great masters why didn't anyone feel the dark side of the force in Palpatine at the first feeling of him having too much power wouldn't you think the jedi would take him out?
In the book The rise of Darth Vader Darth Vader sees a vision that he was supposed to become the next Jedi grandmaster had he kissed Mace windu's ass one more time what people do not understand what the role of the chosen one if he is trained properly the only way he had destroyed the sith but more importantly he actually would have saved the Jedi order and passing then passing it down the loop but Anakin would have put a stop to a lot of foolishness if I had the rights to Star wars one of the things that would happen is that Anakin would learn the teachings of the Jedi warriors and he would bring back the original teachings of the Of the Living Force (Jedaai warriors)
I think a lot of people misunderstand the Jedi code. The Jedi code is supposed to be practiced in the context of flow and action. Of course there's passion, emotion, etc; but when a Jedi is on a mission, dueling a sith, or negotiating, THAT'S when the Jedi must be centered completely in the Force and have no plans or preferences. It's not dogma, it's a misunderstanding.
I disagree that they took their dogma too far because they barely followed it. They were ignorant, passionate(arrogant), the order was falling apart(chaos) and the failing to simply follow this code was what led to their downfall. Considering many Buddhist monks use this type of philosophy, this is possible. This is even seen with how they handled Anakin. They were ignorant of how people with emotional trauma would react to the Jedi order's rules.
The jedi were far far worse than what they say. Any problems that occurred because of there destruction was nothing compared to the suffering caused with their presence. Jedi sucked the moment they went away from decentralized organization in legends this was around just before the great hyperspace war. Also them become political was never the problem it was them attaching their political ideology to the republic that was the problem. They should have been fighting against the republic with the disenfranchised of the galaxy. they should have joined with the anti-slavers in hutt space. They should have allowed force academia of all kinds and diversities. Arrogance and rot were the jedi way and even with Luke's jedi order (legends) that rot still festers
I question Yoda's decision to allow the Jedi to marry. That seems like a theological mistake because it takes love in the wrong direction for a supposedly monastic order. That seems like a 50 year old non-monk writer struggling to write for a 900 year old wise monk. I could see Skywalker making that mistake, but Yoda should have known better.
Imo - I think the Jedi could have been saved, though only before the clone wars. By the end, their ties to the republic were far too deep, far too engrained. Decouple from the republic, serve as unbiased peace keepers - Listen to the seperatists, and work with them alongside the republic to find a better solution than all out war. Be true neutral peacekeepers, rather than treating anyone who didn't want to be part of the republic as evil.
Yes and no to this while Palpatine did do bad stuff but however it is my honest to God revelation that even if there was no Palpatine here the jedi would have destroyed themselves anyway and the galaxy with themselves because they were truly twisted beyond redemption
In my opinion the Jedi became terrible when they started taking children and then throwing away the ones that are either unwanted, not strong enough or not smart enough to become Jedi after years of promising children a grand existence of peace keeping only to throw them away to a research lab and easily the most messed up thing they do is not even stay in contact with younglings parents in case they weren’t chosen. They literally kidnap children and then toss them away if they’re either not wanted or not strong enough, I mean obi wan was nearly thrown away by the Jedi.
The Je’daii order was their pinnacle when they became the Jedi they failed themselves and the force and doomed themselves forever. They began down the path of arrogance removing the dark side due to their fear and are forever out of balance of the force. As they did much of the same things in the prequels they were blind to what their order needed arrogant (in forcing ridge doctrines and beliefs) and would use violence to get what they wanted (the legions of lettow left peacefully and didn’t want confrontation but the new Jedi order attacked and slaughtered them) and shackled themselves to the fledgling republic (or dying republic in the ros) the Jedi are and will always be failures people just like them because they are generally portrayed as heroes which in itself is false.
This is why it's kinda their fault I had fantazised about a Jedi Civil War and my dreams came true. Watch that what if scenario. It's soo fucking cool. And who instigated it?? Anakin as payback for betraying Ahsoka's trust
Let's break this shit down. The Jedi Order fell simply due to the fact that they had lost sight of their true purpose, to follow the will of the Force, and strive for peace and harmony within it, and the galaxy at large. They became too devoted to their code, and peace by means of upholding the will of the Republic, instead of the Force, which left them open to exploitation by outside forces, being the Republic itself, and the Sith. This is something that Jedi like Qui-Gon and Dooku recognized, which is why they distanced themselves from the Council or left the Order altogether. This doesn't make them bad in any way, it means they are people, with flaws, and costly ones. In the case of Ahsoka, the Council was in the right to hand her over to the Senate's judgement. She stood accused of multiple murders, and by all appearances seemed guilty. Perfectly reasonable, even though they turned out to be wrong, which they readily offered to rectify. Anakin's fall to the dark side was no one's fault but his own. He was not a victim. He made choices based on his own arrogance, thinking himself above the rules and beyond reproach, infallible. And he, along with everyone else, paid the price for it. The Jedi Order lasted for a thousand generations, according to Kenobi, just fine. You can't call the system broken because one foolish Jedi was incapable of conducting himself within it. The Jedi did not forbid love, they forbade attachment, because inability to forego attachments creates obsession, and fear of loss. Paths to the dark side. Look at Anakin. He fell not because of the Code of the Jedi, but his own inability to follow it. Your argument that Luke's own Jedi Order did better than its predecessor by allowing attachments is a fallacious one, because up to that point, you used canon sources, then switch to the EU because it supports your claim. The fact is, in canon, Luke's Order barely got of the ground before being burned to it. One might say, Luke's attachment to Kylo, his own nephew, perhaps blinded him from perceiving Snoke's influence until it was too late, dooming his Order to ruin. The stuff about Yoda knowing the Jedi had to end and all that is pure conjecture, and a really bad theory, nothing more. Absolute nonsense. You don't burn your house down because a rat gets in. You deal with the rat. This poor attempt at deconstructing the Jedi Order and casting them in such negative light while praising the High Republic for somehow being superior, really just sounds like you're shilling for Disney, at its a really bad look. Next shall we hear how Rey is better than Anakin, and is the REAL Chosen One? Get real man.
Couldn't agree more with this. I think Yoda was the force in its purest form acting through him and Yoda knew his path wasn't up to him. So it isn't fair to say he messed anything up. Rather he let the force flow through him and his actions.
Luke goes on to make the same mistakes. The choice he gives Grogu in The Mandalorean is exactly the kind of mistake the Jedi kept making during the Clone Wars period.
I always found this funny as I was young. Like freak, what are the Jedi suppose to do when they get horny????? Porn isn't gonna work forever🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. I find it very much more useful for the Jedi just to reproduce and have children and train them through the light, instead of searching multiple planets to find like one or two force wielders. You are taking babies/little children away from their parents just to train them in the force and to not give a freak about their parents/family in general when they get older. That's messed up itself if you ask me🤷🏾♂️ That's why I don't 100% side with the Jedi, they have their flaws and their pretty bad flaws too. But not like the Sith were any better, they wanted to conquer planets and even destroyed planets if they wanted to. Ahsoka did the right thing leaving the order, but not turning off the force, that was pretty smart. I also like Revan who doesn't always 100% obey the Sith code. I'm also glad that Luke changed the order, cause he's the only one that found out that both sides were jacked up and did something about it. While Yoda and Obi-wan knew later on, especially when their temple got backstabbed, but they just let it fly and did nothing about🤷🏾♂️. Practically waiting for Luke to do all the work🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They had spent so much time huffing their own farts after the Jedi/Sith war that they failed to see how they essentially turned their backs on the Force by getting involved in politics and NOT listening to its will
See yeah the Jedi became the self proclaimed arbiters of what the force was and wasn't and willing to run ya through with a lightsaber if you sufficiently disagreed. Or outright ostracize you like they did Ashoka. They're all about peace and justice here let me show you how peaceful I am with my laser sword and literal army of clones with weapons. The Jedi were the reason the force was so out of balance in the first place. You put all the Jedi order on one side of a scale, all the sith on the other, then one side successfully wipes out the other...yep balanced and the Jedi are the last folks in the galaxy about to be told otherwise.
One great mistake of the Jedi, was to forbid all study of the dark side. They should have allowed Xendor & his followers to study the dark side; then they would have been far better equipped to prevail against it. They would also have avoided a damaging and deadly civil war. The Jeda'ii before them made a similar mistake.
I feel Yoda doesn’t get enough criticism for this. He’s often accused of being very wise when after over 900 years of accumulated wisdom he only thinks things lead to one place. Ah cake, cake is the path to the dark side.
Yoda lack of revealing knowledge I cant overlook
@@ethos2822 A Sith would say as much...Darth Ethos...
hate you, I do
And yet you must. He defeated the sith
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Yoda revealed quite a lot of knowledge but those he revealed it to didn't believe him.
On The Phantom Menace we hear Yoda near the end say Anakin probably is the chosen one and that he sees grave danger in training Anakin.
I believe that just like Qui-Gon Jin chose to follow the will of the force, Yoda knew the will of the force involving the end of the Jedi Order, but the rest of the council opposed Yoda and allowed Anakin to be Obi-Wan's padwan.
What I like about Qui-Gon is his decision to stand contrary to the Jedi Code and choose the will of the force instead.
"Anakin will be a Jedi, I promise him."
"Do not defy the council master, not again."
"I will do what I must Obi-Wan."
"If you would just follow the code you would be on the council, they will not go along with you this time."
"You still have much to learn my young apprentice."
Qui-Gon was clearly not so in tune with the Jedi Order and more in tune with the will of the force.
I always felt that the sith and jedi represented the extreme end of opposite sides.
@@michaelverdon7252 Middle does not mean it's not vulnerable to corruption too.
And not middle like Bendu from Rebels, who does not want to (unless insulted and with that enraged) involve himself into a conflict against good rebels vs evil imperials, because he takes no sides and believes death is a fate of all living beings. 🙂
that's why they need a centrist culture to be replaced with -- the Mandalorians.
thus the Chosen One was the balancer
@savageq22boss15 the Jedi Code creates time bombs. The Jedi Code is a Sith's greatest weapon to turn Jedi. Do you remember Bastila's fall?
@savageq22boss15 this why I am for Sabine to be trained. Sabine can end the Jedi -- make them obsolete and replace them with a reformed Mandalorian people,
"Not only did Luke allow the order to marry, he encourages it". Except for the Disney version where he makes Grogu pick between family and the force, just like the past order did. It's Jake Skywalker all over again. Wow....it's almost like Disney doesn't have a clue how to write characters, and are more concerned with keeping their crappy sequels than doing it right.
That’s Disney for you. More concerned about profit than making/continuing good stuff that already existed.
Luke Skywalker is making the mistakes as the Jedi of the Prequel Era.
Grogu isn't strong enough in the force that's why he had to pick between Luke and The Mandalorian. Context is important to consider when you complain about things😉
Well said
“Disney has no clue how to write characters” I mean if we were talking about the sequels I would agree with you, but since they’ve already written the sequels, they have to at least give it continuity within his new order. And with that being said, the new writing for grogu and the new Jedi order isn’t objectively bad now that we have context.
The Jedi say that attachments are forbidden, yet openly admitting that they were attached to the republic! And it's kinda funny that Yoda knew of the Sith Rule Of Two despite the rule being unknown to the Jedi because they were supposedly wiped out before the rule was made!
This is a huge plot hole or Yoda knew of the rule of 2 but never said anything about the sith which 100% falls on him.
@@717jeezy during the high republic era about 240 years before the Fall of the Republic. A Jedi engaged a sith Lord and he was find near death his mind lost and all he kept saying was "only 2 there can be, only 2". Yoda deduced it could possibly be the sith and after the Invasion of Naboo, Mace and Yoda finally 100% confirmed it.
@@HallelujahHollaback where did you read this ? What material is it from?
I think its legends but there was a tomb for a sith lord which the jedi went into. A jedi padawan lost himself and tried to destroy the jedi order and become his apprentice. He apparentally told someone that the sith lived and told the rule of two. A part of the council decided to believe this. I think this belief kept going on and yoda and the council atleast heard of it. So when the sith was killed by a freaking padawan they the fear that a sith master still existed hit out at yoda.
@@badrinath5306 I really wanna read whatever material this is as I enjoy reading the books. It always bugged me how Yoda knew of the rule of 2 and padawan kenobi killing maul always pissed me off as well.
I think if Qui-Gon had trained Anakin instead of Obi-Wan, that Anakin wouldn't have went dark side and the order wouldn't have been destroyed as Palpatine wouldn't have been able to corrupt Anakin.
I say this bc Obi-Wan was far too young and inexperienced to take on a Padawan learner, he was still basically a child himself. As Qui-Gon said about Obi-Wan when addressing the council "he is headstrong and he still has much to learn of the living force". Obi-Wan may have been ready to take on the trials but he was not ready to take on a Padawan yet.
Qui-Gon on the other hand would have been better equipped and able to help Anakin understand and deal with his feelings & the fears he was having. He would've gave Anakin the father figure mentor relationship that was needed to guide him, instead of the brother relationship that he had with Obi-Wan.
Brother relationships often turn competitive which will lead to feelings of jealousy and resentment from one brother and that is exactly what happened between the two. Obi-Wan said it himself "We were Brothers", the problem is he didn't need a brother, he needed a father.
Which is what Palpatine gave Anakin, he gave him that father figure mentor relationship he needed, in doing so Palpatine was able to gain Anakins trust and was able corrupt him.
perfect explanation!
That’s very possible. Qui Gonn is one of the only Jedi we see in the Phantom Menace who’s actions and judgment were based solely upon relying upon the Force, not obeying the Jedi Council. That’s pretty much what he tells Obi Wan in one of the first scenes. I’m not saying that Qui Gon was the best Jedi at the time but as far as a teacher and even father figure for Anakin yes. It’s even likely that Qui Gon would even have foreseen the possibility of Anakin turning and provided for his needs to prevent it.
@@codyflake3080 perfect explanation
I think in Tales of the Jedi, when Dooku confronts Sidious about Qui Gonn's death, he retorts with the claim of Maul's apparent death, as some sort of compromise. In reality, I am sure Sidious was willing to make that trade, to deny Anakin the perfect Jedi Mentor and rather leave him with the inexperienced Obi Wan instead.
Obi-Wan gets the blame for Anakin turning unfairly. Anakin's reasons for turning to the dark side Don't make any sense. He wanted power. Palpatine offered him power of life and death to save Padme. But when Padme dies anyway, Anakin continues to pledge himself to Palpatine? Why? The thing he wanted most is gone. There's nothing left for Palpatine to give him. Obi-Wan's only fault is being naive and not recognizing how much Anakin craved power.
"For my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
- Anakin Skywalker.
Then you are lost Obi wan kenobi
Well evil is a point of a view after all isn’t it?
Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view
They are evil, or atleast some members. Mace Windu tried to lead a coupe de ta by murdering the lawfully elected head of state, thankfully Anakin saved his leaders life.
@@starwarscantina7130 evil yes hypocrisy no. The Jedi are some of the biggest hypocrites in the Star Wars universe.
The Jedi by the prequel era had really lost their way and become slaves to their own dogma. There destruction - like the fall of the Republic - had become inevitable by the time the prequels began.
Agreed
Yes
O would say servants rather than slaves its a bit hyperbolic. Like clones are not slaves, conscription or drafted is a slave . And remember the sith spent a thousand years corrupting the republic before this point
Oof, true. The Sith really are some crafty bois
Yup, the rebels act so good and pure yet they'd still be throwing the clone army into the war shredder had Palpatine not freed them from thier grip via order 66.
Hell the rebels treat thier droids better than they ever treated the clones.
Palpatine is basically Star Wars equivalent to President Abraham Lincoln.
Anytime they found the “Chosen One” in bondage and then they left the conditions of that slavery in tact it was obvious they weren’t paying attention to the messages being sent.
well said!
Imagine if said chosen one caused a civil war tho. I mean look at one what if named Anakin instigates a Jedi Civil War
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 So be it. I would assume that was the reason for the chosen one.
@@Imhotep397 You mean you would support Ani's side even if he created a Civil war that may leave no winners?? Because considering that was payback for betraying Ahsoka that might be even worse than killing younglings
I really think that their fate was sealed when they built their new temple on the grounds of an old Sith one in Corrasant. I believe that their arrogance comes because of countless years of exposure to residual dark side energy.
or they just think they are so hot shit. that they think sitting on the sith makes them feel big. they just give more reasons of why no one bother with the jedi's help anymore and more reasons for the sith to destroy them. and that's why this sneak attack worked for the sith. they waited untell the jedi are at there weakest.
@@rickydiscord7671 But imagine if the prophecy has a self inflicted example in the form of a Jedi Civil War. Even if in the end there would be no winner
I mean, when you spend an entire millenia without fighting any powerful enemies, only dealing with droids and fodder space pirates, you're doomed to thinking that you're invincible
I feel like the Jedi sealed their fate when they moved the temple to Coruscant.
Yeah, they were supposed to be monks first and peacekeepers second
They built the temple on coruscant to block the evil radiating from the sith temple below them. They built it there to protect the people for they were the only ones who had any chance of facing that energy. It's a tragic tale of the jedi once again sacrificing themselves for the greater good.
@@sirvantanite1307 Luke stupidest mistake was established a new jedi order while luke can just be solo and leave all the trouble to republic and focus on his training. Both in legends and canon
Yoda kept it to himself, and doomed all the Younglings. What did he think was going to happen to them?
Yoda should have asked Asoka to take all the Younglings and keep them far away from the war when she left. She would have remained a Jedi, but more akin to Luke's Jedi, and trained them that way.
Sith USUALLY tries to turn more people to the Dark side... and the kids are real easy pick for obvious reasons.. But Anakin had a severe case of Sand Dread Fever that day of the Order 66
The problem there is that even if Ashoka took the Younglings and fled. Vader and the Inquisitors would have found them eventually. Good example is in Jedi Fallen Order where Cal Kestis has a force vision of training new Jedi, only to be captured by the empire.
Yoda spent his later years predicting the future and knew the Jedi were about to go through a new generation of masters. He knew the force would guide him to the next grand Master and Kenobi was the true vector of this future of the Jedi. Thus he did go peacefully into the force with knowledge the Sith would bring about their own destruction hence the force ghosts. Disney truly dropped the ball with the sequals and only more sequals can fix the time-line.
Or atlest inform the other jedi of the possibility and tell them to have an escape plan ready
Well she was invented and written in way after the saga was already completed so…🤷🏽♂️
If Yoda had only trusted Master Dooku and heeded his warnings, perhaps the Jedi survive along with the Republic. Reform was necessary and the Jedi had the personnel at the top to pull it off. If they had the courage. Yoda, Dooku and Windu together would have been very influential.
Dooku was Yoda Padawan and Yoda didn’t even trust his own student. While Dooku, Qui-Gon, and Anakin did the opposite
The Jedi are just as responsible for the destruction of the galaxy as the Sith are
And it will be equally shared when The Whills see fit to hit the reset button on The Galaxy and make sure the next evolution of sentient beings do not have access to The Force
@@scottgrohs5940 that's really fucked up
Not Necessarily, It was all Sidious from the beginning. He manipulated the events of the Clone Wars to gain power. Even the Jedi never saw this coming.
Darth jar jar is the one to blame for all this
That's like saying a girl was just as responsible for her molestation because she wore a revealing dress.... At the end of the day it's still the molester at fault, and at the end of the day it was the one who destroyed that was at fault. Just like how a girl may be able to avoid being molested by wearing a less revealing outfit, so too could the jedi have stopped the destruction of the sith if they truly followed the jedi ways. But in the end, revealing or not the girl did nothing wrong, and nore did the jedi cause the destruction. The jedi tho flawed tried to their deaths to save life. The responsibility of galaxy being destroyed belongs solely to the one who destroyed. Not to the fools who tried to stop it. Which is what the jedi were fools tricked by an evil they were not prepared for. They were victims like the rest of the galaxy, not perpetrators.
I mean, in the end, they were the same religious absolutists that they accused the Sith of being
You're not wrong
Basically. In some cases worst.
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." - Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi, Mustafar, 19 BBY
More of a cult really. There are few if any religious aspects to the Jedi and Sith. They are closer to wizards than priests.
@@LexYeen in my piont of view the Jedi are evil
THEN YOU ARE LOST
But only a sith deals in absolutes?
Complacency is the enemy of progress - Dave Stutman.
Yes and no, the Jedi acted like war generals but they were killing droids. Still they grew so complacent. The prophecy spoke about a kid that would bring balance to the force. There were hundreds Jedi and TWO Sith, how did they not understand what “balance” would suggest?
I agree, but Sith don’t like competition and are not loyal. They have killed each other many times (especially when they had higher numbers) Darth Bane created the rule of two while Jedi are always recruiting force sensitives
How does balance of numbers apply to a natural law? The force is everything, an energy without any known limit. The jedi train their whole lives to have balance in the force. How you define balance, and how the jedi define balance is completely different. Balance to the jedi is like still water, a feeling of tranquility in the force. Where as the sith are a chaotic use of the force. Their presence is a constant source of rippling energy coursing thoughout the force. So to the jedi balance can only mean the removal of that chaotic source allowing the force to once again reach a tranquil state. They didn't see it coming because they trained their whole lives too get balance, but failed to realize that they were out of their depths. Their knowledge of the force was too shallow and their arrogance too deep that it blinded them. They thought they understood the force and found out first hand how much they really know.
@@sirvantanite1307 because it’s got nothing to do with natural law. Palpatine was the strongest Sith to ever live yet Mace Windu was more than enough to kill him if Ana-bitch wasn’t around.
Balance means that if all Jedi and all Sith were put in a room to fight then no one would be left standing.
@WK_MERCURY That's exactly what I was saying. Your understanding of balance is completely different than of the Jedi. The force is a natural law, and balance between the sith and jedi wasn't necessarily the goal of the prophecy. In the end, it was the jedi who survived while all the sith were wiped out. Both the jedi and the sith should have been wiped out for good if the balance was supposed to be jedi to sith ratio.
@@sirvantanite1307 yes I’m aware that my understanding is different than the Jedi but my point is that there understanding is retarded. That’s why they almost all got themselves killed. They were the Uber dominant force in the galaxy yet they though the chosen one bringing balance would mean the Last Sith Lord would die. In their minds this equates to balance. Their understanding was a misunderstanding.
The Jedi and sith are prime examples that you can take both good and evil to far balance is something the Jedi preach but in my opinion don’t fully understand
Like Mace Windu's own hypocritical attachment and love to The Republic.
No, give an example of 'taking good too far'
@@cadeshanley218What are you talking about?
I feel like to bring true balance to the force is to bring balance to yourself and to use both sides instead of just one.
Amen
Agreed
What really counts as using the dark side?
wrong
bring balance to the Force is to do it's will
the dark side is the corruption of the Force
wouldnt mace windu and revan fall into that though ? as they both used purple sabers and could see purple saber as balance of both light & dark user.
That’s why the clone wars series was so incredible. It showed the side of the Jedi as a war machine
The fact that the Jedi take very young children to train has Jedi is damning. And of course these children are forever cut off from their families and trained to just not care about them is damning. When Yoda, among others whines that Anakin is too old to start training they are admiting that they want them young so they can more or less brainwash them. Further Yoda's justification for not training Anakin is that a 9 year old kid seperated from his mother who is a slave is full of fear for himself and his mother is a path to the darkside is just WTF. It would be perfectly normal for a kid under the circumstances to be fearful. Yoda's inane comment amounts to it is bad for a kid to be afraid for his mother under the circumstances. All of the shit about suffering and pain that is also there in Yoda's idiocies is so much crap. What all this indicates is that the Jedi order wants recruits who have not bonded with their parents and who show sociopathic indifference to personal suffering and likely other peoples suffering. The Jedi's apparent indifference to the creation of a Clone Army is also quite revealing. The creation of what amounts to a sentient "race" of disposable slave soldiers doesn't seem to bother them.
It's disgusting that people try so desperately to excuse their actions when they were no different than the Sith
Except they are not trained to become a Jedi but just protected and given basic education until they come of age and decide to become Jedis. This is also done with permission of the parents.
How evil 😡
Its ironic isnt it? they preach apathy and logic yet display nothing but fear and weariness towards Anikan. 🤦♂️ hypocrites cant even follow their own code.
@@paperplane-db8qfcommon 70 iq jedi glazer. if you had half a 🧠 and some critical thinking youd realize both jedi and sith are extremly flawed.
when you get down to it. the only difference between the jedi and sith is how you spell their names, to my mind the jedi of some (to the republic) is a jedi of none for the jedi who loves not all the people of galaxy is as cruel as the neglectful, abusive parents who loves not all of their children.
Sadly they reeped what they sowed. They are arrogant and prideful and didn't see the full picture. Luke's order at least tried to learn from the mistakes
It's always been complicated because of two reasons:
First, the Jedi and the Sith were both very wrong in their fundamental understanding of the force, its influence and its nature. The Jedi wanted to treat it like flowing water, not disturbing its natural directions and only using it in a subtle way. (To keep the image up, let's say they only drank from that flowing water, maybe took a few cups to savor.) While the Sith treated it like something that needed to be controlled and directed. (For example, building a dam, and then using the powers of the amassed water to flow a neighboured city).
This is why the Sith have always been stronger than the Jedi, at least the Lords and the very trained Sith Warriors. Their understanding of the force was much more suited for warfare and conquest, so Jedi were naturally weaker and naive. This was especially shown in the old republic, if we were to read Revan's story and go beyond it. Because this shows us the biggest flaw of the Sith, which caused them to lose to the Jedi despite being stronger: They were arrogant and selfish, even when formed together in an Empire, they sought to overhtrow their superiors and one another. If the Sith had the same dogmatic way of staying together as the Jedi did, they would have ruled over the Galaxy forever. So while this all is true, the major reason why the Jedi suck fucking ass is because they treat the force in a wrong way, thus making it hard to actually keep peace and harmony.
Second reason is the Jedi order has always been problematic in its organization. While the older Jedi Orders were pretty much fine, the new one in the Film-Era was just a major fuckup. Even if their goals were goodhearted, their way of handling things was so bad that it made no sense to actually trust them.
you made me read all this crap to see if you would actually say WHY they are bad and problematic and why they treated the force in a bad way but no...
just keep repeating that they did it wrong...
that was a fucking waste of time hey?
Even a 1000 years ago jedi Commander Hoff was killing native species because they had a force ability. They had always been political with Jedi actually ruling the republic. Hoff led the army of light against the brotherhood. And even go so far to have grand statues dedicating jedi battles.
Another major crime that the Jedi have committed is using the clones as slaves without giving them the choice to choose. I know the Republic paid the Kaminoans to create them and that the clones were obliged to serve the Republic, but that doesn't mean they have no in choosing their path in life.
In the end, the clones became nothing but slaves of the Republic and went through a huge amount of pain and suffering serving under the Jedi. The Republic may outlaw slavery all across the galaxy at the time, but they sure as shit didn't outlaw slavery within their own and the Jedi didn't even considered what the clones were going through or what they actually wanted. All they see is that the clones were nothing but "properties belonging to the republic" (-Shaak Ti) and that they have to serve them loyally. Sounds exactly like the Empire to me.
The Clone Wars era Jedi had flaws, but the fact that they can just close their heart to the clones' casualties and being exploited by the Republic really made me lose any sympathy for them when they were all killed during Order 66. At least the Empire back then used soldiers who voluntarily signed up, the clones on the hand were bred purely for war without a choice.
I feel that there was a lot of misunderstanding when it came to the prophecy of the Chosen One. As best I can tell it only says that one would arise to return balance to the Force. There is never a mention that the Jedi would survive the rebalancing unscathed. Their hubris made them think that this meant the destruction of the Sith alone. However, since they had already fallen so far themselves, what actually had to happen was the destruction of both the Sith AND the Jedi as the galaxy knew them. By the end of Return of the Jedi, only one member of the old order, that we know of, survives and I firmly believe that it was because she had denounced the path the Jedi were on. Even Luke admits to making mistakes in his attempt to rebuild the order and that it was time for their old ways to die. In the end, Anakin did return balance to the Force by destroying both the Jedi, through Order 66, and the Sith, by throwing Palpatine over the Throne Room railing. This gave the Force time to heal and balance naturally since the number of Force users had diminished significantly.
This is a very good point - and picked up in other fantasy works (King Arthur, Tolkien etc) where the age of magic is waning. It would have made a very good basis for further films as we see the last magic/force users try to set the world/galaxy on a stable, sustainable path. If all the original books get filmed, Dune will cover this ground. Once could say that as a civilization, humanity today faces the same issues of balancing technological 'superpowers' with social and ecological pressures to find a middle way that avoids destruction.
Some what ifs however reimagined the prophecy of the balance as some kind of horror movie. Would like to see that someday if Lucasfilm creates such reimagination to see what happens
The Force is much, much bigger than just the people using it. The Jedi didn't have to die; they could have been reformed by an Anakin making different choices.
As for Luke thinking the Jedi had to die; the point of the movie is that he's wrong, and before his death, he sees that.
The galaxy would be better if force users did not exist.
The way I see it, the Jedi dogma during the time of the Republic was every bit as destructive as the Sith dogma, if not more so. I think that part of the reason why it became so easy for Jedi to fall was because they had no idea how to actually control their emotions. Instead, they basically shoved it all to one side and ignored it, leaving all their negative emotions to boil and fester like a poison. Then, when something happened to push them over the edge, they couldnt control the resulting surge of power and emotion and ended up getting addicted to it.
The Jedi knew how to control and govern their emotions. They didn't shove them aside; they let them go, and learned how to let them flow away. They were mindful. Anakin wasn't, and that's why he fell.
@@smartalec2001 the typical Jedi were extremely sheltered to the point they could not have emotions. They were psychologically conditioned from literal birth or very early childhood to NOT have dark side emotions- you can't miss what you never had just like a person born blind cant lose their vision because.. they never had it in the first place. Thats why the jedi were very hesitant, rightfully so, to train Anakin because he already had things he missed- his mom. Most fallen Jedi who fell to the Dark side did so because they lost the one attachment that was unavoidable- their Masters or former/current Padawans.
@@eugenewang4650 that doesn't seem right... the few bits of media we see involving young Jedi trainees sees them being tested through experiences of frustration, despair, anger etc. In old canon, one of the final tests for a Jedi padawan was to deal with great loss. It seems fair to say that the Jedi knew exactly what they were up against.
Even the adult Jedi show sadness, anger, and more, alongside happiness and humour. Yoda even jokes along with his youngling class. It's clear they know what emotions are, and how to deal with them - training how to have them, experience them, and then to let them go.
In a more practical galaxy, maybe they could’ve saved themselves from order 66 if they actually looked into the Sifo Diyas situation, which then could’ve led to them further investigating the inhibitor chip (or just outright refusing to take the clone army); but I also believe Sidious would’ve had a “plan B” in regards to exactly how he would’ve killed off the Jedi… yet, say they did catch on to everything, the fact the vast majority of Jedi were cut down in Geonosis, they still wouldn’t have a leg to stand on in the ensuing battles. It’s a lot to think about lol
Also they should have flat out refused clone. Clones are literal slaves how did the jedi justify using them
The Republic had absolutely no chance in this war without Palpatine's 'matchfixing'. Cheap mass production of billions, most likely trillions of droids far outweighs the few million clone troopers if the Separatists and Republic were acting independently. If the inhibitor chip failed then the Separatists would win putting Dooku as the puppet leader thus accomplishing Palpatine's goal of the Sith ruling the galaxy once more. A propaganda campaign showing the atrocities of the Jedi during the war would turn them into pariahs thus making their extinctio inevitable but with droids instead of clones killing them off
I prefer how in Legends Luke's Jedi Order fixed a lot of the issues the Republic Jedi had. Too bad Luke started repeating all their failures in Canon. Hopefully moving forward Rey doesn't repeat all the same mistakes with her version.
Kind of like Luther with his 95 theses against the Catholic Church. Luther's intent was not to destroy the Catholic Church, but rather to reform it.
@@connorhenry2176 I wonder if that’s why it was called the “Protestant Reformation” :0
Ray isn't real.
Lalalalalalalalalalalalala there is no Rey!! Lalalalalalalalalalala 🤣🤣
@@717jeezy If a "Rey"cord is not in our archives, it does not exist.
-Jocasta Nu
This is why I don’t like the Jedi. Their code was so rigid and dogmatic, they cut themselves off from the galaxy they swore to protect. There’s also their arrogance. This is why so many Jedi like Exar Kun, Freetan Nod, Darth Ruin, Atris, and so many others fell to the dark side, they were so full of pride and so holier than thou, that if anyone questioned them, they would lose it and abandon the order and embrace the dark side.
It's ironic how their sympathizers try to act like ANAKIN was the one in the wrong when, even if you BARELY scratch the surface of the lore, you'll see that the Jedi's rule would ALWAYS lead to someone falling to the Dark Side eventually
Bottling up one's emotions to the point that they start to stagnate and rot is NOT how one properly handles their emotions
@@jeremyallen5974The Jedi never had the intend to 'bottle up emotions', they let go of their emotions entirely by ridding themselves of attachments.
The Jedi couldn't be saved there were way too many of them and all their minds were warped to think and believe a certain way. There was absolutely no way they could reverse 800 years of an ideology from anyone's minds. The Jedi could only be saved by being wiped out the same way Darth Bane wiped the sith order out.
What exactly was bad about the Jedi's ideology?
I think this is the reason why none of them can learn vaapad. Mace Windu embraces his dark side while the rest of them are afraid of it.
Why because he is black?
1 Gonk Droid > the entire Jedi order
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No way...Battlemaster Kao Cen Darach was effing awesome.
@@GC0077 the same guy that was killed by darth malgus as an apprentice??? Malgus was as you put it "awesome" the jedi wasnt
@@leejamesmccarthy He took them both on and sacrificed himself, after killing Vindican. He knew he was going to die. Awesome Jedi nonetheless.
@@GC0077 he didn't kill vindican, he only severely wounded him, if malgus hadnt finished him off himself then vindican would have survived too... as for darach, I'll give him credit for his bravery knowing that he would lose and still fighting on til the end but if he was as great as you think then he would have escaped with his life also
To quote Confused Matthew: "Guardians of truth and justice, my ass."
Before watching Clone Wars: So tragic what happened to the Jedi, Why Anakin why?
After watching Clone Wars: Nah, screw those stoic politicking, arrogant order of sociopaths, who'd rather let bureaucracy dictate who they should and shouldn't help.
"in the high republic they had it right" Going by what we've seen in the acolyte that'd be a resounding NO
Anakin: Sees constant examples of hypocrisy among the Jedi Masters, culminating in Mace Windu describing Palpatine (and why he needed to die) using Palpatine's exact words to describe Dooku.
Star Wars UA-camrs: "Anakin fell because the Jedi were too inflexible in their beliefs."
Did you guys even watch Revenge of the Sith?
On top of what you said, I have something else to add. In the real world that you are going to experience negative emotions, at least at some point in your life and the Jedi just pretend negative emotions don’t exist. Which, if you ask me leaves you more success to to the Darkside of the force in Star Wars.
I think banes first novel does a great job of explaining everything wrong with the jedi. At the table playing cards talking to the republic soldiers. Naive republic soldiers talk about everyone shaving their heads and bane corrects them we don't shave our heads we are being poisoned by the mines needed for the minerals for ships and armour. They say that at least we pay you for the stuff. And bane corrects again saying that he owes the mine company money for living within the mine since a child. So he's in debt by the mine company. They say the strong rules. And that's how stuff is in non-core worlds. Palpatine order at least created order. It's a really interesting take from a civilian in the galaxy. Before Bane becomes Darth Bane.
Imagine joining palpatine the guy who orchestrated an entire galactic war for power and thinking the Jedi are worse. Anakin Skywalker really had a few screws loose. Amazing he was able to marry Padme.
You do realize that thirteen YEARS passed between Ani joining the academy and him finally falling to the Dark Side, right?
Stop acting like it was ALL on the kid's shoulders when the JEDI were the ones who ultimately pushed him to siding with Palps
@jeremyallen5974 the seperatists i.e. Sidious i.e. PALPATINE was actively trying to assassinate Padme. In fact Padme's life was in danger many times due to Sidious schemes. Anakin somehow forgot all that. The war he was fighting and risking his life for was all due to Palpatine's machinations. He suffered because of Palpatine's selfish schemes.
I have to say that I don't think the Jedi were necessary evil I believe that they were somewhat flawed. Something changed over the last thousand years. For years the Jedi weren't allowed to marry or have children.
It's the universal law of corruption that is built into all sentient beings. People would form dynasties and try to further the interests of their children. The Sith faced the same problems much sooner. And dealt with the by making the rule of 2.
Jedi simply ignored human nature and made it so no Jedi has any attachments.
@@dgray3771No, the one attachment they had was the force.
Hey stupendous wave how far are you to finishing What If Qui-Gon Jinn Trained Anakin PART 3?
There's a comic that takes place between attack of the clones and during the revenge of the sith that shows two jedi children were the ones who erased Kemino from the database.
imo you can't fault the Jedi for allowing Kemino to be erased from the database. It was an inside job, and an impressive display of cloak-and-dagger action, without which there would be no plot.
The issue with the Jedi of the last Jedi Order, during the clone wars era, was that they became arrogant, soft, and apathetic. You can see this in on Obi Wan acts in TPM, ccontrasted with Qui Gon, who was an outlier and "rogue" like among the Jedi. Obi Wan is really arrogant and unfeeling in TPM, "Another pathetic life form" for example.
The Jedi became quite socipathic in their late stages. Whereas Jedi like Qui Gon and Dooku actually felt real emotions and empathy. There were some that did feel legit feelings, like Obi Wan during the later stages of the clone wars, and how he did love Anakin. Love. Not just liking him as a fellow Jedi or former apprentice, but LOVED Anakin, like a brother/son. Real emotions.
And then there's Anakin Skywalker who was VERY emotional and had an infinite ability to love and.... Hate.
But yeah, Luke's New Jedi Order got it right methinks. Luke allowed his Jedi Knights to feel emotions and have love, both familial love and romantic love. Luke felt that love made Jedi Knights stronger and more stalwart.
So yeah.
Great Break down and I agree 100% regarding the Jedi becoming too political and falling to the darkside without knowing it. They even Ignored the slavery and murder of Kaleeshi people until they started getting the better of the Yam'rii who had ties to the empire & trade federation.. THEN Jedi showed up to stop the Kaleesh...
There were indeed lost to politics and manipulation long before the clones wars.
I don't know what made people think Jedi routinely kidnap kids. They still ask if the kid can join them and it's not a cult. The Jedi could leave anytime they wanted. Nothing was stopping them. Jedi had their problems and could be high and mighty, but they were still good guardians overall.
Until you do even a moment of research and realize they only really helped those who were in bed with the Republic
This is an example of a postmodern interpretation of two clashing forces. Being committed to a binary definition of morality (a belief in 'moral' vs. 'immoral') is not as pure as being 'amoral', which doesn't believe that anything is 'moral' or 'moral', only 'gray'; thus, this means by definition that the Jedi are capable of hypocrisy, but not the Sith. The Jedi will display remorse for when they engage in corruption; the Sith will commit genocide and the people who do these 'religious' Star Wars videos will attempt to justify their actions by pointing out the Jedi's corruption and atrocities in specific instances that may not have been standard practices among their ranks, and which the Sith do purposely.
One can be committed to 'good' and thus seek to be 'moral' without being utterly without redeeming qualities at their flaws; the Jedi after Order 66, at least those who survived, were incredibly reflective on where they went wrong. But the Sith do not operate in this way: they accuse 'moral' Jedi of the things that they do without conscience because they know that that the Jedi will be paralyzed by failing to fully live up to their own standards. Meanwhile, the Sith not only engage in the atrocities that they do, they do it for the sake of power itself, and make no apologies in anything they do.
Just like the leftist in 🇺🇸
Bingo! Someone here gets it. This is a postmodern/Progressive corruption of our ancient universal values.... and this is a sign of how messed up and twisted people, in the real world, are becoming in our modern era.
This way of thinking is being applied to all our ancient legends and stories as well. Such as the Greek Myths. Where the villains are now just classified as "victims" of their circumstances, and are therefore relieved of any accountability. Meanwhile the Heroes are being demonized. For example Persues and Medusa.
@@scythianking7315What you say is also Zamasu's overall sickening philosphy. Not kidding
The Jedi, with all their failings, and the south with all their failings (at least in the prequel era) is the culmination of darth banes failings. Before bane wiping out the sith, and in the same fel swoop, the Jedi of his era, the “dark brotherhood” were actually working together well in a way the sith never have since, and the jedi were less dogmatic.
Anakin "for my point of view the Jedi are evil!" 😈
Bro the fact that they turned their backs on Ahsoka simply based on a simple accusation and not on evidence and proof tells u everything u need to know about them.
Plus why do you think Dooku, Ventress and Anakin turned to the dark side. It’s because the Jedi High Council became too political and too arrogant and began abusing the force for their selfish needs when they should have been following the force, like how Qui-Gon did. It’s clear the Jedi are f'ed up.
One word: Atris.
I blame her for this.
She's the reason why Jedi such as Mace Windu and Ki-Adi-Mundi exist.
She's the reason why they have rules like they do.
Its a troubling thing. For a republic to function, all related aspects of that republic must function according to the will of the republic. Any group inside that republic that operates with its own governance and with a significant military capacity is a threat to that republic. Thus, the jedi had a choice: Continue to funtion independently and probably at odds with the republic, and keeping such ENORMOUS power and influence, or submit for democracy's sake to the will of the republic.
To be in a republic, you must submit to its governing forms.
And yet over 1000 years the Sith corrupted the governing forms. And they had a POWEFUL means to hide their influence, even right in front of the jedi.
What was to be done? The fall of the jedi was inevitable. But then again, that was the will of The Force to bring all within balance again, albeit at the cost of trillions of lives and the existence of entire planets.
One has to wonder if Darth Jar Jar created the Force lol
The mere existence of jedis means the sith will exist to balance the force
The Chosen One is meant to bring Balance to the Force, 2 Sith Vs. Over 100 Jedi but afterwards it's now 2 Sith and 2 Jedi
@@SokwanNhep thats not balance, the sith are the imbalance
@@Passi0n0323 Yeah and also there needs to be Balance and imbalance in the Star wars universe The Chosen One/Sith'ari maybe Anakin? was on the Light side of the Force tipping the scales of the Balance between the Balance and imbalance in the Universe so to fix and make things right and wrong, right Anakin's fate to join the Dark Side was his Destiny, but now the roles were sort of reversed instead of the Sith biding their time and gaining power it was the Jedi instead biding their time and also gaining power.
@@SokwanNhep the dark side will always exist, even if the sith are destroyed, what the problem was how the sith used the dark side, I suggest reading the high republic to see how Jedi are supposed to act.
@@Passi0n0323 Yes I agree :)
Their treatment of Ahsoka showed how blind the Jedi were in their arrogance.
They should've committed to having the Jedi throw Ahsoka to the wolves to show how far they had fallen instead of throwing Bariss under the bus
It makes me feel like the Jedi kind of got what they deserve for all their misdeeds.
What about the droid attack of the wookies?
Nah mate what about the attack on his family 😅😅 💀
What about the Jedi attack on the Chancellor?
@@gumdeo
Oh man I didn't think about that? I heard rumors about mace windu attacking the Chancellor?
In the 80s and 90s I use like the idea of the Jedi, religious individuals that had telekinetic powers and who only occasionally fought others, primarily to preserve peace and general tranquility across the galaxy.
I'm a big fan of the Star Wars films and books, but the ideas within them are simply untenable and frequently don't make sense, particularly about the Jedi.
Here are some reasons why I don't find the Jedi as appealing as I use to two decades ago.
The movies have turned the Jedi into violent Taliban-like warriors, who take orders and dont question them, and who play tricks on people and use violence regularly. I have to admit, I'm much less of a fan today. Seems like a secular law enforcement agency in the galaxy would do a better job than the Jedi would.
Furthermore, too many Jedis abuse their powers in these films and books, which renders it an organization of potential and incredible corruption. As a law enforcement idea, it fails, which I think explains the falling appeal. The Jedis are good guys until they're not. That sort of thing.
Another turn off is that the "Force is about balance", which conflicts with the central idea behind many religions. Many religions push the idea that Good must win over evil. Evil must die so that good can eventually prevail. Since Star Wars pushes a dogma that balance between the light side and dark side is necessary, it's going to turn off a lot of viewers, which see that as annoying friction.
In a galaxy where the balance between the light side and the dark side is necessary, what gets solved? Absolutely nothing. The Jedi are forever stuck in a conflict loop then. They sacrifice themselves to let the dark side have a place in the galaxy. Makes zero sense.
To be fair, Star Wars films and books should be exclusively regarded as escapist films and literature. The ideas they push are untenable in real life, however, and they're seriously inconsistent and ultimately solve nothing in the Star Wars universe.
The Jedi Order lost their way the moment they decided to follow the will of a corrupt senate instead of the will of the Force.
The Sith Order is way more terrible than the Jedi Order.
I still believe if qui-gon jinn was still alive,everything which we all witnessed. Would've happened. Because, unlike the other jedi members....qui-gon was the only wise one within the order. He would've discovered the sith lord true identity before the attack of the clones era....Anakin's mother still be alive and the jedi order would've survived and not have to participate in any war.
I don’t think so he realized the order had to fall
Bruh Qui Gon was just as ignorant as the rest of the Jedi.
Remember when he steps on to the trade federation ship , Obi Wan says " I feel trouble", with Qui Gon responding " I dont feel anything"don't, despite them walking into a trap.
He says this a few times throughout the Phantom Menace.
The Jedi are clearly flawed but not worse than anything done during Sith reign by far which is my biggest critique of Anakin's turn to Vader. Extremes are what trip most force sensitives up, intelligent flexibility is key. Using a tank for an ant makes 0 logical sense.
So it was Republic Jedi’s arrogance that lead to their downfall .
Sifo-Dyas was well known jedi. It was actually the Darth Plaguies who manipulated him into doing something he thought was good like creating an army to protect even the sith putting up the funding for the clones. Due to the corrupt republic. I suggest you listen to the Darth Plaguies novel. And the bane Novels to give you a better idea on the bane line what it means and the Jedi more so for events before Phantom menace and sidious being student.
If luke wanted jedi to make more sincere connections, why did he make grogu decide between the two?
Growing pains
Luke is a water farmer who never got the full story of the Jedi Order's fall, of course he's going to make mistakes.
well i know he is bound to making mistakes especially with his first student, but he had to have known what his father went through. not being able to express his feelings and/or opening up.
The video seems to be going based on Legends rather than the Disney version that pushes Luke way out of character. For example, Luke refused to kill his absentee father in a duel *after* he became an abominable mass murderer, but Disney had him almost kill his nephew in his sleep out of fear that he *might* turn evil. And then it has him flee from his problems instead of trying to fix them, which is also something he never did in the original trilogy.
He did what the Jedi council would've done. More fairly cause he was the only one to make the decision besides Asoka. Grogu was older and attachments had formed. So for Luke to let him decide makes the most sense. Don't force something so powerful and it won't spoil
The will of the force? In reality you never speak for the force it speaks for itself. The Jedi and Sith are not so different. I suddenly remember from and old holiday book I read.
Imagine what the Force will say,
The Force: “There are some on this earth and universe of yours… who lay claim to know us, and who do their deeds of passion, pride, ill-will, hatred, envy, bigotry, and selfishness in our name, these so called “Men of the cloth” who are as strange to us and all our kith and kin, as if they had never lived. Remember that, and charge their doings on themselves, not us.”
Great breakdown of the failings of the Jedi! I thought about this a lot, but your analysis is really in depth.
I THINK that if you want to be one with the force, it would maybe better learn something closer to ying & yang way of thinking. Like force comes from universe/nature and there you can see how well mostly work to maintain balance. Light darkness order chaos, life death, man woman, one can´t exist without another. E.G: earth would not exist with out any off these, also no sun or universe.
Could this be an example why church and state should be separated? The state will end up corrupting the church.
In this case the church was just as corrupt as the government
Jedi aren't allowed to visit their families or have relationships. Sounds like an HR lawsuit in the making. Starwars Episode 2.5 Attack of the lawyers.
I've loved Star Wars since i could even remember. I was 11 when i went to see Revenge of the Sith in theaters. I just thought it was cool, but i never actually understood nor cared of the politics and why everything happened the way it did.
Now im 30. Having lived life, had my personal experiences with good and bad, meeting with all different types of people from all walks of life, and being able to see the world at it's absolute rawest form, the politics of Star Wars interests so much now.
I'm rewatching the Clone Wars, and even though I still love all the action, I pay more attention to the political side of things. And the more i rewatch, the more I see how the Jedi had truly lost their way. How the Jedi really lost the sight of what made them the keepers of peace. And it has made me really understand why Count Dooku defected and took the path that he did. Dooku loved his family in the Jedi order, but as soon as he began pointing out the flaws that the Jedi were making, he was met with criticism and was waved off. The final nail being when the Jedi order refused to help his home planet solely because they weren't paying the tax for the Republic.
I can't imagine being part of an order that makes everyone in it feel like it's wrong to love someone.
I do feel real bad for Yaddle too.
The jedi lost the day bane became the one sith lord
I disagree. The Jedi have fought in wars and led armies many times before and was fine after. You even said in this video that the old Republic Jedi wore armor? Buy somehow the clone armor is worse? Kinda dumb logic
the difference was that the sith before and after the prequel era were militaristic and overly agressive and that was the sith the jedi were prepared against. but after darth bane restructured the order be more manipulators and in the shadows, the game was changed. the jedi were basically fighting an enemy that didn't exist in that form anymore. Hell most of the rule of two sith were either politicians like palpatine or bankers like plaguies. the sith basically inflitrated the republic at every level and it happened in plain sight of the jedi. Plaguies was even alive for most of episode one until palpatine killed him after he became supreme chancellor.
@@BlazeTube626 yeah i get that. I don't think you get what I'm saying tho. I'm just saying that the premise of the video is based on flawed logic. The Jedi dawned armor and fought in wars in the past. The order did not collapse. Honestly had the Jedi of the prequel's era actually put on some decent armor, it probably would've been better, considering most of them ended up getting shot in the back. Tython even had force wars. Your comment is more relevant to the collapse of the order than the whole video.
Yoda was an arrogant prick who destroyed the order because he ran the order like the ancient being he was. He had lost touch with the Galaxy, and when discovering that the Sith has created the clones.. he just rolled over? Refused to do anything, because he was too tired to frigging bother.
Yoda was the most powerful, yet blind, Jedi at the ends of the High Republic, which was brought because of his arrogance and refusal to change.
Psychologically speaking, the Jedi dogma would lead to an inevitable implosion. Pretending you don't have emotions is absolutely stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the reason why a Jedi council can't make decisions. They all have beef with each other but will never acknowledge they have that emotion and therefore never actually squash their petty grievances and they just fester. Festering emotions will show themselves one way or another.
I can't ... keep ... explaining ....to people...
they didn't pretend, they learned to let go
they didn't have beef, they let go of it through meditation
they didn't pretend they had no emotions... that's absurd! they tried to work through logic INSTEAD of emotions cause it's the correct way of doing things
@@davidnobre5660 working on the basis of logic over emotion is one thing. Denying your emotions outright is something else. The Jedi want to be the former, but they fall victim to the ladder.
@@propheinx2250 again, they don't deny their emotions, they control them
Anakin is still the chosen one tho he is in dark side. he gave birth to luke, gave attention to yoda and the remaining jedi, they protect him and trains him.
Man, this was excellent representation of the failure of the Jedi. I know this is George Lucas's vision, but I am so frustrated on how they treated Anakin. In the clone wars animated series, Anakin saved the Jedi Order, Multiple Masters in battle and even took care of Ahsoka's framing by never giving up and no one, and I mean no one gave Anakin the support he needed. Also, Yoda needs to take more responsibility you're telling me there were no politicians that could not help the Jedi navigate through these issues? Senator Organa, PADME. I'm happy you brought this up because it was a complete failure. Anakin could have saved everyone, and Mace Windu should have been smarter about the attack on Palpatine. Great episode sorry for venting. Anakin is still my favorite Jedi. Luke Legends is a BEAST. I really wish Disney followed some of the novels this would have kept the stories interesting not have Luke die in my opinion the stupidest way possible. Great episode keep up the good work.
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Bro if you want to be a Jedi then just say that😂
Bro if you want to be on a fartherless garbarge trash council than just say that😂
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Great Explanation. This should have been a central arch to the films. Great Stuff.
Also you have to think about it with all the wise and great masters why didn't anyone feel the dark side of the force in Palpatine at the first feeling of him having too much power wouldn't you think the jedi would take him out?
In the book The rise of Darth Vader Darth Vader sees a vision that he was supposed to become the next Jedi grandmaster had he kissed Mace windu's ass one more time what people do not understand what the role of the chosen one if he is trained properly the only way he had destroyed the sith but more importantly he actually would have saved the Jedi order and passing then passing it down the loop but Anakin would have put a stop to a lot of foolishness if I had the rights to Star wars one of the things that would happen is that Anakin would learn the teachings of the Jedi warriors and he would bring back the original teachings of the Of the Living Force (Jedaai warriors)
I think a lot of people misunderstand the Jedi code. The Jedi code is supposed to be practiced in the context of flow and action. Of course there's passion, emotion, etc; but when a Jedi is on a mission, dueling a sith, or negotiating, THAT'S when the Jedi must be centered completely in the Force and have no plans or preferences. It's not dogma, it's a misunderstanding.
Kenobi said it best 😢 "Anakin my aligence is to the Republic,to democracy!!" The Jedi's aligence should've been to the force like Qui Gon did
I have to say, I love your Star Wars videos. I look forward to each one that shows up in my notifications.
I disagree that they took their dogma too far because they barely followed it. They were ignorant, passionate(arrogant), the order was falling apart(chaos) and the failing to simply follow this code was what led to their downfall. Considering many Buddhist monks use this type of philosophy, this is possible. This is even seen with how they handled Anakin. They were ignorant of how people with emotional trauma would react to the Jedi order's rules.
The jedi were far far worse than what they say. Any problems that occurred because of there destruction was nothing compared to the suffering caused with their presence. Jedi sucked the moment they went away from decentralized organization in legends this was around just before the great hyperspace war. Also them become political was never the problem it was them attaching their political ideology to the republic that was the problem. They should have been fighting against the republic with the disenfranchised of the galaxy. they should have joined with the anti-slavers in hutt space. They should have allowed force academia of all kinds and diversities. Arrogance and rot were the jedi way and even with Luke's jedi order (legends) that rot still festers
Not to mention the Jedi Order is a freaking cult just look at the BITE model
The emotion and passion part is something i had issues with involving the jedi. Everyone deserves to love, marry, and have feelings.
Prequel Jedi: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Emotions is the DEVIL!! WE MUST LIVE AS DISPOSABLE MOOKS!
Not when you hold power of entire planets. Just think of having to make a choice between your family or 1000s of other lives
There is nothing wrong with the Jedi though, those that want to marry can leave the order if they want.
They made Yarel Poof get pizza.
I question Yoda's decision to allow the Jedi to marry. That seems like a theological mistake because it takes love in the wrong direction for a supposedly monastic order. That seems like a 50 year old non-monk writer struggling to write for a 900 year old wise monk. I could see Skywalker making that mistake, but Yoda should have known better.
Imo - I think the Jedi could have been saved, though only before the clone wars. By the end, their ties to the republic were far too deep, far too engrained.
Decouple from the republic, serve as unbiased peace keepers - Listen to the seperatists, and work with them alongside the republic to find a better solution than all out war.
Be true neutral peacekeepers, rather than treating anyone who didn't want to be part of the republic as evil.
Hell yeah they do! *Palpatine didn’t do anything wrong!*
Yes and no to this while Palpatine did do bad stuff but however it is my honest to God revelation that even if there was no Palpatine here the jedi would have destroyed themselves anyway and the galaxy with themselves because they were truly twisted beyond redemption
In my opinion the Jedi became terrible when they started taking children and then throwing away the ones that are either unwanted, not strong enough or not smart enough to become Jedi after years of promising children a grand existence of peace keeping only to throw them away to a research lab and easily the most messed up thing they do is not even stay in contact with younglings parents in case they weren’t chosen. They literally kidnap children and then toss them away if they’re either not wanted or not strong enough, I mean obi wan was nearly thrown away by the Jedi.
Why does Star Wars lore UA-cam keep making the same 5 videos on repeat
The Je’daii order was their pinnacle when they became the Jedi they failed themselves and the force and doomed themselves forever. They began down the path of arrogance removing the dark side due to their fear and are forever out of balance of the force. As they did much of the same things in the prequels they were blind to what their order needed arrogant (in forcing ridge doctrines and beliefs) and would use violence to get what they wanted (the legions of lettow left peacefully and didn’t want confrontation but the new Jedi order attacked and slaughtered them) and shackled themselves to the fledgling republic (or dying republic in the ros) the Jedi are and will always be failures people just like them because they are generally portrayed as heroes which in itself is false.
This is why it's kinda their fault I had fantazised about a Jedi Civil War and my dreams came true. Watch that what if scenario. It's soo fucking cool. And who instigated it?? Anakin as payback for betraying Ahsoka's trust
Yeah that’s how fucked up the jedi were is that they didn’t help Count Dooku just. Because they want to be close with the senate
The Jedi are good people with bad apples
The sith are bad people with like 3 dudes that look cool enough to have fanboys
Let's break this shit down.
The Jedi Order fell simply due to the fact that they had lost sight of their true purpose, to follow the will of the Force, and strive for peace and harmony within it, and the galaxy at large. They became too devoted to their code, and peace by means of upholding the will of the Republic, instead of the Force, which left them open to exploitation by outside forces, being the Republic itself, and the Sith. This is something that Jedi like Qui-Gon and Dooku recognized, which is why they distanced themselves from the Council or left the Order altogether. This doesn't make them bad in any way, it means they are people, with flaws, and costly ones.
In the case of Ahsoka, the Council was in the right to hand her over to the Senate's judgement. She stood accused of multiple murders, and by all appearances seemed guilty. Perfectly reasonable, even though they turned out to be wrong, which they readily offered to rectify.
Anakin's fall to the dark side was no one's fault but his own. He was not a victim. He made choices based on his own arrogance, thinking himself above the rules and beyond reproach, infallible. And he, along with everyone else, paid the price for it. The Jedi Order lasted for a thousand generations, according to Kenobi, just fine. You can't call the system broken because one foolish Jedi was incapable of conducting himself within it. The Jedi did not forbid love, they forbade attachment, because inability to forego attachments creates obsession, and fear of loss. Paths to the dark side. Look at Anakin. He fell not because of the Code of the Jedi, but his own inability to follow it. Your argument that Luke's own Jedi Order did better than its predecessor by allowing attachments is a fallacious one, because up to that point, you used canon sources, then switch to the EU because it supports your claim. The fact is, in canon, Luke's Order barely got of the ground before being burned to it. One might say, Luke's attachment to Kylo, his own nephew, perhaps blinded him from perceiving Snoke's influence until it was too late, dooming his Order to ruin.
The stuff about Yoda knowing the Jedi had to end and all that is pure conjecture, and a really bad theory, nothing more. Absolute nonsense. You don't burn your house down because a rat gets in. You deal with the rat.
This poor attempt at deconstructing the Jedi Order and casting them in such negative light while praising the High Republic for somehow being superior, really just sounds like you're shilling for Disney, at its a really bad look. Next shall we hear how Rey is better than Anakin, and is the REAL Chosen One? Get real man.
Couldn't agree more with this. I think Yoda was the force in its purest form acting through him and Yoda knew his path wasn't up to him. So it isn't fair to say he messed anything up. Rather he let the force flow through him and his actions.
Luke goes on to make the same mistakes. The choice he gives Grogu in The Mandalorean is exactly the kind of mistake the Jedi kept making during the Clone Wars period.
I always found this funny as I was young. Like freak, what are the Jedi suppose to do when they get horny????? Porn isn't gonna work forever🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. I find it very much more useful for the Jedi just to reproduce and have children and train them through the light, instead of searching multiple planets to find like one or two force wielders. You are taking babies/little children away from their parents just to train them in the force and to not give a freak about their parents/family in general when they get older. That's messed up itself if you ask me🤷🏾♂️
That's why I don't 100% side with the Jedi, they have their flaws and their pretty bad flaws too. But not like the Sith were any better, they wanted to conquer planets and even destroyed planets if they wanted to.
Ahsoka did the right thing leaving the order, but not turning off the force, that was pretty smart.
I also like Revan who doesn't always 100% obey the Sith code.
I'm also glad that Luke changed the order, cause he's the only one that found out that both sides were jacked up and did something about it. While Yoda and Obi-wan knew later on, especially when their temple got backstabbed, but they just let it fly and did nothing about🤷🏾♂️. Practically waiting for Luke to do all the work🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I really can't understand how the Jedi couldn't see through the darkside
They had spent so much time huffing their own farts after the Jedi/Sith war that they failed to see how they essentially turned their backs on the Force by getting involved in politics and NOT listening to its will
See yeah the Jedi became the self proclaimed arbiters of what the force was and wasn't and willing to run ya through with a lightsaber if you sufficiently disagreed. Or outright ostracize you like they did Ashoka. They're all about peace and justice here let me show you how peaceful I am with my laser sword and literal army of clones with weapons. The Jedi were the reason the force was so out of balance in the first place. You put all the Jedi order on one side of a scale, all the sith on the other, then one side successfully wipes out the other...yep balanced and the Jedi are the last folks in the galaxy about to be told otherwise.
One great mistake of the Jedi, was to forbid all study of the dark side. They should have allowed Xendor & his followers to study the dark side; then they would have been far better equipped to prevail against it. They would also have avoided a damaging and deadly civil war. The Jeda'ii before them made a similar mistake.