Why The Jedi Order Failed

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  • Опубліковано 21 гру 2017
  • In the trailer for Star Wars The Last Jedi, Luke Skywalker tells Rey the Jedi have to end. We never really got an answer why inthe film so now we're going to explain to you guys why the Jedi Order failed.
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  • @unknownuser4692
    @unknownuser4692 6 років тому +1105

    Its ironic the Jedi fear and hate the dark side and yet such emotions lead to the dark side itself.

    • @adj9271
      @adj9271 6 років тому +75

      Samuel Kerby IRONIC.....

    • @zombielizard218
      @zombielizard218 6 років тому +75

      Samuel Kerby Ironic... They could fear and hate something caused by fear and hate.

    • @OnePiece-yy1lu
      @OnePiece-yy1lu 6 років тому +12

      Samuel Kerby it's not Ironic. Jesus say to be Good you must hate evil.

    • @unknownuser4692
      @unknownuser4692 6 років тому +21

      But by hating evil may like the Jedi lead you to becoming the evil you become only through debate and compromise can a common ground be found

    • @rucebajer9361
      @rucebajer9361 6 років тому +45

      I’ve seen the Jedi as the biggest hypocrites since I was 8. They were against slaves yet owned a slave army. Like, it takes a special kind of stupid to believe the Jedi way was correct.

  • @jeannebouwman1970
    @jeannebouwman1970 6 років тому +272

    The jedi code is full of absolutes, yet obiwan says “only a sith deals in absolutes” which is provably false by both the jedi code and that statement

    • @witchinspired9944
      @witchinspired9944 3 роки тому +7

      Agreed.

    • @biggboi1025
      @biggboi1025 3 роки тому +3

      The lightside is balance

    • @bosskthelizarddude1056
      @bosskthelizarddude1056 3 роки тому +6

      Jedi= sith

    • @ryanred1525
      @ryanred1525 3 роки тому +3

      @@bosskthelizarddude1056 Don’t insult Sith like that

    • @ryanred1525
      @ryanred1525 3 роки тому +2

      @@bosskthelizarddude1056 I’m not even joking at this point I actively route for the Darkside in every Star Wars movie

  • @kevinnorwood8782
    @kevinnorwood8782 6 років тому +633

    The Jedi Order failed because, over time, it became dogmatic, and refused to adapt and/or adopt new policies. This is why Luke’s New Jedi Order in the old EU was my favorite Jedi Order: Luke worked so hard to make sure the mistakes of previous generations of Jedi were not repeated. And if that meant changing and/or abolishing certain practices, Luke didn’t hesitate to do exactly that.

    • @ThatCamel104
      @ThatCamel104 6 років тому +71

      The Virgin Old Jedi and the Chad Luke's Jedi

    • @celticwind4122
      @celticwind4122 5 років тому +11

      I agreed with you until I heard the exact same quote in the vid.

    • @climber6420
      @climber6420 5 років тому +14

      That's the best version of the order also I really like Kyle kattarn

    • @nikkovalidor4890
      @nikkovalidor4890 5 років тому +10

      T H E
      S A C R E D
      J E D I
      T E X T S

    • @ShadeSlayer1911
      @ShadeSlayer1911 5 років тому +38

      Among their greatest flaws was their rejection of human emotions. That's just never going to turn out positively. It's just as flawed as the Dark Side's policy of embracing all negative emotions without restraint.

  • @infernaloz6486
    @infernaloz6486 4 роки тому +56

    My biggest problem with the Jedi is that it is easy to proclaim moral righteousness when your morals aren't challenged. The first time a Jedi's morals are truly challenged they either break or fall

    • @Obi-Wan_Kenobi
      @Obi-Wan_Kenobi Рік тому +3

      Most Jedi don't break or fall when their moral are challenged. Literally only Anakin did.

    • @jeremyallen5974
      @jeremyallen5974 Рік тому +6

      @@Obi-Wan_Kenobi it wasn't the Council questioning his morals that pushed Ani to the Dark Side, mouthbreather. It was the fifteen years of hypocritical chastising that pushed him over the edge

    • @MMZERO9
      @MMZERO9 Рік тому +1

      @@Obi-Wan_Kenobi And you think Sidious wouldn’t have found a way to outwit, outsmart and overpower *you* given time? The Sith had spent the better part of a millennium infiltrating every part of the Republic’s infrastructure. They learned how to use even your own tenets to their advantage. What exactly makes you think you would have been able to handle Sidious’s direct manipulations? You cannot defeat your opponent if they already know every move you will make. That’s a confrontation you wouldn’t be able to “high ground” your way out of.

    • @xrstevenson
      @xrstevenson 11 місяців тому

      @@jeremyallen5974 lol it wasn't even that. It was simply: "I, as a Sith, have the power to save the only person you're willing to kill and die for. If the Jedi destroy me any chance of saving her will be lost." Anakin was manipulated, the entire time he was a Jedi. And he tried his absolute best to insure he doesn't lose Padme. It's why he only disarmed Windu, its not like he can't just get a new arm. However, Palpatine used that chance to kill him. Anakin realized instantly he fucked up, and believes that all other paths have been closed to him, that this was his only option.
      All of this was because of a split second decision, lapse in judgement, and a test of faith that Anakin failed.

  • @desperado8605
    @desperado8605 6 років тому +581

    More Jedi should've been like Quigon

    • @kkruhk1641
      @kkruhk1641 6 років тому +59

      you mean dead?

    • @darthsidious4807
      @darthsidious4807 5 років тому +43

      @@kkruhk1641 I agree

    • @spencerevans7915
      @spencerevans7915 4 роки тому +59

      Yeah, if only they learned to be more individualistic like Qui-Gon and see that if they were going to call themselves champions of the Light Side of the Force then they should act like it such as not caring just about certain rules

    • @daveholland6293
      @daveholland6293 4 роки тому +1

      Die?

    • @donniedorko634
      @donniedorko634 4 роки тому +20

      Qui Gon followed the living force he was always completely in the moment.

  • @MasbyzeAllTopicsFiction
    @MasbyzeAllTopicsFiction 6 років тому +340

    Luke's criticism of the Jedi order in TLJ was pretty accurate from this point of view. Great vid man!

    • @macnut68
      @macnut68 5 років тому +14

      @I. Th. One way to look at that is that the destruction of his new Jedi Academy at the hands of one his students (partly triggered by him as well) pretty much broke him emotionally and spiritually. Hence the broken Jedi we met in TLJ.

    • @macnut68
      @macnut68 5 років тому +19

      @I. Th. In Legends, Luke NEARLY lost his academy, but in TLJ he DID lose it - he had no students left! There were no survivors except the one who went on to serve Snoke and the Dark Side. Luke's failure here was utter and complete, and obviously sent him into despair. So much so that he didn't even want to train anyone else.

    • @Animefan-uk8pw
      @Animefan-uk8pw 4 роки тому +1

      Bullshit

    • @biggboi1025
      @biggboi1025 3 роки тому +8

      Yes, but that why he should've of changed the order after ROTJ. Not makes those mistakes AGAIN and realize it after.

    • @Ghost_-_
      @Ghost_-_ 3 роки тому +1

      I kinda miss the old luke, where he was full of hope in revenge of the jedi, but it's more realistic either way of him losing hope

  • @martinbarnes5647
    @martinbarnes5647 6 років тому +294

    Friendly reminder: peace is a lie, there is only passion

    • @cyantile5490
      @cyantile5490 6 років тому +18

      lord spider danny there is the Senate

    • @Black-Re4per
      @Black-Re4per 6 років тому +12

      I Am The Senate

    • @heliosjollywolf9552
      @heliosjollywolf9552 6 років тому +22

      trough strength i gain power

    • @nicolasachille4371
      @nicolasachille4371 6 років тому +7

      Don't forget though power my chains are broken the force shall free me. (why do most sith forget?)

    • @heliosjollywolf9552
      @heliosjollywolf9552 6 років тому +10

      nicolas achille its through power i gain victory, trough victory my chains are broken. The force shall free me... why do most sith forget????

  • @cyantile5490
    @cyantile5490 6 років тому +222

    "Uploaded 2 minutes ago"
    *sees comments from 8 hours ago*
    What is this SORCERY?!

    • @lpflore
      @lpflore 6 років тому +7

      Same for me XD

    • @cyantile5490
      @cyantile5490 6 років тому +24

      Darth Sidious I've heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise. It didnt say anything about this...

    • @bonomael7902
      @bonomael7902 6 років тому +11

      Darth Sidious
      It is possible to learn this power (of post a coment before the video is here, or, even made) ?

    • @cyantile5490
      @cyantile5490 6 років тому +12

      bono mael not from a Jedi I suppose

    • @shanebywater6628
      @shanebywater6628 6 років тому +1

      thinking emoji

  • @thunderstudent
    @thunderstudent 5 років тому +64

    The Jedi refused to evolve and many in the order realized this from even the time before Revan who tried to reform the Jedi but was labeled a heretic and hit with a sush order. If the Jedi of old realized Revan was correct then that could have alieviated the problems and suffering the galaxy felt and possibly reunite the Jedi and Sith into one balanced order.

    • @rustyshackle8000
      @rustyshackle8000 4 роки тому +14

      I believe Revan, right next to Qui-Gon, gad the best understanding of the Force period. To him, there was no light and dark. Both had their pros and cons, and deserved equal respect.

    • @williammorahan4907
      @williammorahan4907 8 місяців тому

      I agree.
      And yet some people still think that the Dark Side is just a cancer to be cut out of the Force - rather than a half that needs to be reunited with the Light.

    • @sudowoodo5826
      @sudowoodo5826 Місяць тому

      that's not entirely true tho, Revan never really balanced the two sides of the Force, he was always in a constant inner struggle between the two

  • @darthnegrus9255
    @darthnegrus9255 6 років тому +160

    "Today you blow them up, tomorrow they blow you up." - DJ, "The Last Jedi"

    • @powerofanime1
      @powerofanime1 6 років тому +9

      "can't we all just learn to stop worrying and love the bomb?"

    • @dfein001
      @dfein001 6 років тому +4

      It's a machine, partner. Don't join.

    • @MrArmystrong85
      @MrArmystrong85 6 років тому +7

      J-j-just cut a d-deal

    • @darthnegrus9255
      @darthnegrus9255 6 років тому

      MrArmystrong85 lollll

    • @darthutah6649
      @darthutah6649 6 років тому

      He must have been referring to the death star.

  • @zigguratjones6458
    @zigguratjones6458 6 років тому +27

    When living in the universe of Star Wars... it helps to be a contrarian! Look at Qui Gon. He had different ideals than the Jedi council and they just cast him aside. The Council grew far too comfortable.

  • @DanielLee_2304
    @DanielLee_2304 6 років тому +146

    The New Jedi Order of Luke was much better, they didn't care about the politics of the New Republic.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому +38

      +Praetorian Guard yea and they had a real enemy to fight the yuuzhan vong

    • @heliosjollywolf9552
      @heliosjollywolf9552 6 років тому +2

      sith> jedi

    • @kamrudjacobson4438
      @kamrudjacobson4438 6 років тому +6

      Except that the politics did end up almost wiping them out after Darth Caedus's fall

    • @epistemo3442
      @epistemo3442 6 років тому

      Praetorian Guard And they still fall after 100 years of existing.

    • @DanielLee_2304
      @DanielLee_2304 6 років тому +13

      Somerandom Guy Well, the good thing at least is there were changes with the Luke's New Jedi Order especially being allowed to have a spouse and not kidnapping force-sensitive babies.

  • @EricssonB
    @EricssonB 6 років тому +60

    To their credit, weren't the Jedi more or less ordered to enter the war at the behest of the Senate? I don't recall them being like "oh hell yeah let's do this" but were somewhat hesitant. But then again, it's been a few years since I've seen *those* episodes.

    • @gizmofrompizmo2177
      @gizmofrompizmo2177 6 років тому +18

      But they didn't have to. Jedi are separate from the Senate and no one in the Jedi really questions all that hard who or why the slave clone army came from.

    • @vexingrabbit1824
      @vexingrabbit1824 5 років тому +8

      Well the Jedi did started the war first even before they gotten their command or even before the clones arrived. They invaded an outer rim planet that has no ties to the Republic with a hundred jedi to capture Count Dooku who was at the time was their leader of the the outer rim (CIS).. That's like US special forces invading russia to capture Putin. Of course it will start a war.
      So no, Jedi were not hesitant, They rushed and invaded, even before jedi invaded another planet they send a single jedi to attack and spy on the said planet before hand.

  • @jumbocatstudios7239
    @jumbocatstudios7239 6 років тому +106

    They never tackle this kind of stuff in the movies.

    • @da-vidcargill4975
      @da-vidcargill4975 6 років тому +4

      Jumbo Cat Studios its too broad for just movies plus they have not touched on the years long b4 ep 1

    • @Black-Re4per
      @Black-Re4per 6 років тому +2

      they do in 8 and 9

    • @NumbingDisasterAnon
      @NumbingDisasterAnon 6 років тому +2

      I don't know, they did a lot of insinuations in the prequels, lot of implications. After all, Palpatine's words to sway Anakin might as well just be vapor if there weren't signs that Anakin could pick up that the Jedi were failing

    • @julianbaxter2403
      @julianbaxter2403 6 років тому +8

      They do imply it:
      Qui-gon's Rebellion.
      Mace and Yoda discussing the Jedi's Clouded vision, and their lessened ability to use the force.
      The Hypocrisy of "Keepers of the Peace, not soldiers".

    • @KrGsMrNKusinagi0
      @KrGsMrNKusinagi0 6 років тому

      because its just his interpretation of the whole issue it doesn't mean its the actual reality :)

  • @kev3d
    @kev3d 6 років тому +107

    They failed because, despite being the supposedly wisest beings in the galaxy, not once did any of them consider auditing the defense budget of the Galactic Republic. If they had, they would have noticed massive payments for a clone army and warships *before* Chancellor Palpatine pledged to build a grand army. Jedi Council: great with the force, terrible at accounting.

    • @annnee6818
      @annnee6818 5 років тому +11

      They probably had no business doing the accounting for the Republic so they had no way of knowing..

    • @ddy7323
      @ddy7323 5 років тому +9

      @@annnee6818 they only failed when they attach themselves to a corrupted republic that failed them all the time till their downfall.

    • @deku2949
      @deku2949 4 роки тому +3

      kev3d The clone army was paid for by Darth Plagues

    • @Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human
      @Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human 4 роки тому +6

      The Clone Army was paid for by Jedi Master Sifo Dias with money given to him by Darth Plageuis, in his public alter ego of Hego Demask.
      Sifo Dias was then killed, leaving the Kaminoan cloners with no knowledge of who was working with Sifo Dias - actually they assumed the Jedi Council were behind the order for a clone army.
      And Sifo Dias was dead, meaning the only other people who might know were Count Dooku, Sifo Dias' childhood best friend, and Jango Fett, the clone template.
      Jango Fett was working with the Seperatists, and died on Kamino a couple of days after the Clone Army was discovered.
      And Dooku led the Seperatists, and wouldn't answer any questions even if they could get hold of him to ask.
      All in all, it was a very neat plan that tied up all the loose ends.

    • @TheGoodLuc
      @TheGoodLuc 3 роки тому

      In broader perspective, they became complacent and looked too much into the future (at least in Darth Plagueis book). And many other mistakes they did make.

  • @tilerofthesoil88
    @tilerofthesoil88 6 років тому +61

    Love the je'daii reference. Wish there were more information on that order. Great video!

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому +4

      ua-cam.com/video/T45Lyjn1pCY/v-deo.html

  • @obi-wankenobi8406
    @obi-wankenobi8406 6 років тому +584

    We deed to much death sticks smh

    • @monkey9208
      @monkey9208 6 років тому +9

      Obi-Wan Kenobi dew*

    • @djdjdududi3045
      @djdjdududi3045 6 років тому +4

      Sceptile Tube *did

    • @xcom54
      @xcom54 6 років тому +4

      Obi-wan, the only high ground

    • @dannybanshee8249
      @dannybanshee8249 6 років тому

      Obi-Wan Kenobi y u get the high ground but still let Vader live?

    • @somuchtocook9159
      @somuchtocook9159 6 років тому +2

      Obi-Wan Kenobi you might need to teach the next generation to have less fear of the dark side so that theoretically the dark side can’t corrupt them as well fear leads to the dark side also you might as well have some teachings of the dark side and wait didn’t you die

  • @Old_Snake13
    @Old_Snake13 6 років тому +114

    Sith or Imperial, it doesn't matter to me. Just as long as you aren't a Joe...

  • @cyantile5490
    @cyantile5490 6 років тому +148

    Allen, I love how you pretend you're a part of the StarWars universe... It's entertaining.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому +69

      +Cyantile pretend?

    • @adj9271
      @adj9271 6 років тому +34

      Cyantile what are you talking about?? , Allen is the one who lead the droid attack on the wookies

    • @Kilory-Star_Wars
      @Kilory-Star_Wars 6 років тому +8

      These scenes are stories that summarizes Allen's point (in this case, the flaws of the Jedi during and in the 978 years before the Clone Wars).

    • @bipedleek241
      @bipedleek241 6 років тому +2

      Are you on something?

    • @joeb3702
      @joeb3702 6 років тому +2

      Arv. D Ah, I remember that...

  • @marsm9
    @marsm9 6 років тому +33

    The balance within oneself is a key point here. There can be no balance when you are a zealot for one side or the other.

    • @AhsimNreiziev
      @AhsimNreiziev 6 років тому

      +

    • @marsm9
      @marsm9 6 років тому +1

      Star Trek Theory you still mad? Must be exhausting.

    • @marsm9
      @marsm9 6 років тому

      Star Trek Theory Ok. No sweat here. Night douche mongrel.

    • @AhsimNreiziev
      @AhsimNreiziev 6 років тому +2

      +Star Trek Theory
      _"Balance doesn't make for good stories"_
      You're going to have to back that up with arguments and examples, mate. Because otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass.
      Also, counterexample(s): _Avatar: The Last Airbender_ and, even more so, _The Legend of Korra_ .

    • @AhsimNreiziev
      @AhsimNreiziev 6 років тому +2

      +Star Trek Theory
      Actually, it's quite the opposite. You just proved that you are either just trolling, or don't know what you're talking about, and that your comments therefore deserve to be disregarded and even ridiculed, should someone feel so inclined.
      True, there is some debate on _The Legend of Korra_ , but most *actual writers* seem to agree the show is extremely well written. But your *REAL* downfall comes in your comment about LoK's predecessor. _Avatar: The Last Airbender_ is *universally* regarded as one of the best, if not THE best, Western Animated Series of all time. On all levels: animation, fighting, World Building, Characters and, yes, Story. There is *literally NO DEBATE* on this. It is therefore also not up to interpretation, but is instead established as objectively true by any conceivable, reasonable metric. You -- and anyone, really -- claiming that it sucked -- let alone using that position to try and prove a point -- means losing any and all credibility from now and for the rest of time.

  • @FLAWATN
    @FLAWATN 6 років тому +50

    Something seems vaguely familiar with the Jedi shunning emotion anyone else remembers the dystopian flick Equilibrium?

  • @adventure9119
    @adventure9119 6 років тому +243

    I too believe in a more grey lining of the force. Modern Jedi and Sith orders are too polarized, however, in The Last Jedi, they had a perfect opportunity for both to merge towards the middle but didn’t. I’m still a bit salty over that. Anyways, great video as usual.

    • @epistemo3442
      @epistemo3442 6 років тому +21

      It's because Grey side is nothing but fanfic bullshit and nearly all of the fanbase misunderstood that the light side and dark side is ying and yang bullshit, when in reality it's not ying and yang. This is why I believe the philosophy that Kriea created, and that the only way to bring peace to the Galaxy is to destroy the Force.

    • @AfrikanPsycho
      @AfrikanPsycho 6 років тому +5

      Somerandom Guy Thank you. I'm glad that they're are some who understand.

    • @da-vidcargill4975
      @da-vidcargill4975 6 років тому +7

      Somerandom Guy destroy the force go home ur drunk

    • @thunderspark1536
      @thunderspark1536 6 років тому +15

      The force is balance, and if you think about it, if every person is balanced in the force, there would just be gray.

    • @epistemo3442
      @epistemo3442 6 років тому +3

      SATmaster728 Scholly The Force is an insidious god that creates eternal death and chaos just to create Balance. In other words, the Force is mess up and needs to be destroy.

  • @maew150
    @maew150 5 років тому +12

    What happened to the Jedi during the mandalorian wars in KOTOR should have been a terrible reminder of how badly war can destroy even a jedi regardless of if they survive it or not.

  • @seajay5664
    @seajay5664 6 років тому +32

    "the men and women that fought under them" and the children. The children too..

  • @Poke-ladd
    @Poke-ladd 6 років тому +25

    I’m curious about the Bendu and the force creatures on Lothal

  • @GrumpyCrawley
    @GrumpyCrawley 6 років тому +62

    Dude, that was a fantastic analysis!

    • @jamesPerez1980
      @jamesPerez1980 6 років тому +2

      UndoRedo indeed. Great insight into the human condition as told through the story of the Jedi

  • @shannonreynolds624
    @shannonreynolds624 6 років тому +27

    OH THANK YOU ALAN. I keep thinking I'm taking crazy pills or something. Qui Gon was the ONLY one who had a clue and they killed him off. I wish he would be a Force Ghost. I think the point of the prequels, even though people hate them, was to SHOW just how rigid, strict, dogmatic and STUPID the Jedi actually were and how they were just as bad as the Sith.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому +11

      +Shannon Reynolds yea losing qui gon was a huge blow for the jedi

    • @tba113
      @tba113 6 років тому +2

      Yoda said Qui-Gonn had figured out how to Force-Ghost at the end of RotS, and that Yoda and Obi-wan should probably talk to him about it. I had hoped that meant we'd see him at some point, but I guess it wasn't meant to be.

    • @rucebajer9361
      @rucebajer9361 6 років тому +2

      In the show, it says Qui-gönn was the first to figure this version of immortality, one where you live in the force, not held together by it like the Sith do. Qui-gönn tells Yoda how to obtain it.

    • @murphsmodels8853
      @murphsmodels8853 6 років тому +3

      I think Qui Gon makes a force ghost appearance in the clone wars series.

  • @darthnegrus9255
    @darthnegrus9255 6 років тому +40

    True,
    but every other ideology in history has also failed, even receding after periods of widespread prominence.
    The reason is because just like individuals, society as a whole will never settle, and always question every ideology over time.
    In addition, outside ideaologies, and their assosciated political/militairy agendas will outright challenge the dominant ideology of the day.
    Thats why there has only ever been 225 aggregate years of peace in Earth's recorded history.
    The only relief is that hopefully all the failures lead to the worldwide epiphany that eutopia can finally be built upon........only to be eventually challenged once again.

    • @fduranthesee
      @fduranthesee 6 років тому +7

      The Reason Why Communism Has Failed
      My dear human being, Utopias aren't meant to exist,Utopias = Dystopia.
      Do you want George Orwell's 1984?

    • @darthnegrus9255
      @darthnegrus9255 6 років тому +2

      I agree...
      Did you read my comment all the way through?
      It never ends.

    • @jacobfreeman5444
      @jacobfreeman5444 6 років тому +4

      You realize the word utopia means nowhere, right? There can be no paradise. No peace. Only times without violent conflict. Humans may say they want peace but they actively seek conflict. Best one can do is manage this tendency so the potential for destruction is limited. Ideals are beatiful but always crumble at the first contact with reality. So trying to live by ideals must be like reaching for the stars.

    • @romanzusman2892
      @romanzusman2892 5 років тому +1

      @@jacobfreeman5444 "war. War never changes"

  • @davidgiles4681
    @davidgiles4681 6 років тому +42

    Any time you polaruze a belief, you establish parameters that limit actions and balance. Jedi and Sith did just that. Jedi Code essentially says, "I will use intillect, knowledge, peace, understanding, etc... to control my actions and will not use my powers to harm anyone overtly or willfully. I will defend myself if attacked and if I must (kill some one) in defense of myself or others.". The Sith essentially says, "I will use power to personally advance myself. I will use emotions to power me. I will kill (in the course of my belief). I will use knowledge to my personal gain. I will grow more powerful in the use of emotion.". ::P Jedi polarized to the point that the Order forbade "dark arts" . Palpatine used this fact to "court" Anikan. In a way, Palpatine was correct. The Order did limit Annikan's development. The "dark side" did not limit development (as the order did). ::P the Grey Jedi had the most difficult time. they balanced themselves between "Dark" and "light". Said balance is extremely difficult. It requires a very dedicated person (one who can use both "dark" and "light" forces). The celebcy law also did not help. It hurt. It gave the Jedi a rather limited view on life (no love for another). It also aided the Jedi in that such emotions would create problems with intellectual management. In a way, the sith were correct. Te Jedi Order created their own destruction.

  • @OnePiece-yy1lu
    @OnePiece-yy1lu 6 років тому +15

    It was stupid that Disney killed off the New Jedi Order.

    • @Kilory-Star_Wars
      @Kilory-Star_Wars 6 років тому

      Maybe the Jedi under Luke Skywalker in Canon will be written to be an organization like the New Jedi Order in Legends. We know very little about what is only referred to as "Luke Skywalker's Jedi", or simply "a new generation of Jedi", for Canon only existed for three years. In comparison, there is plenty of information on the New Jedi Order from Legends (a universe that existed for thirty-six years, and that's not counting expansions of Star Wars: The Old Republic that came out after Disney's purchase of Star Wars in 2014).

    • @OnePiece-yy1lu
      @OnePiece-yy1lu 6 років тому +2

      Kilory - STAR WARS nope 👎🏻. Disney ruined Star Wars by erasing 97% of Star Wars lore.

    • @Kilory-Star_Wars
      @Kilory-Star_Wars 6 років тому +2

      +One Piece I'm not sure if you read my comment, but I will stop attacking your opinion now. All opinions are okay. You can hate post-2014 canon, while I can like the post-2014 canon. Refund what post-2014 content you have, continue reading, watching and/or playing what you like.

  • @TheGrandTurk
    @TheGrandTurk 6 років тому +26

    I like this analysis & breakdown of the historical events that led to the fall of the Jedi. I always felt Lucas consistently made the case that the Jedi had become too mired in the politics of the Republic. And that their involvement with the Clone Wars was also motivated by their choice to assume "political" responsibility for the creation of the Jedi commissioned clone army. An element that likely fed the mistrust that led to later accusations they started the war on purpose.
    The thing I wish more people, understood that Lucas made a point of in ROTS, was that everything we fans generally know about the Force comes from the belief system of the Jedi & Sith. And that there's likely an infinite amount of ways it could be interpreted and harnessed. The light & dark are dynamics of Jedi philosophy but that doesn't necessarily mean they represent the most vital aspects of the Force. In fact, episodes of the Clone Wars series straight up allude to that.
    I'm really looking forward to seeing new factions in Star Wars that embrace the binding energy of the universe in their own interesting ways like the Nightsisters of Dathomir or the Imperial Knights of the Star Wars Legacy comic. The Last Jedi alludes to this possibility but that only makes me wish they'd started the new trilogy with that in mind in the first place. Thanks again for these fun explorations of the lore.

    • @rustyshackle8000
      @rustyshackle8000 4 роки тому +1

      I think that as well! Episode III actually has an excellent story, but the dialogue and pacing is terrible. That KOTOR really made me rethink my thoughts on the Jedi, and their often hypocritical actions.

    • @xrstevenson
      @xrstevenson 11 місяців тому

      I'm curious on your opinion on star wars now that it's absolutely failed in every way to even tackle a single one of the points you made.

  • @kurtmorales7644
    @kurtmorales7644 6 років тому +17

    Allen aren't you afraid the Coruscant police will track you using this Video?

  • @twistedwithmelancholy8436
    @twistedwithmelancholy8436 6 років тому +43

    The Jedi Order. A increasingly rigid system and structure that often becomes a controlling force over time as it tries to maintain ideals that become outdated by the changing nature of each new generation.
    The resulting consequences of this, is that those who were once liberators now grow to become dictators as they begin to assert control over others believing that their own self righteousness is the only way to maintain order.
    This leads into Sith territory as the increasing dictatorial and rebellious mindsets that spawn from these conditions are driven by emotion and not reason.
    Oppression and Destruction follows.
    In truth. Both the Jedi and the Sith are wrong. Natures path cannot be conformed to a simple template of dominance or order. Nature is dynamic and forever changing.
    The same applies to people and it applies to society.
    Adapt to the changing nature, or the changing nature will wipe you out.

  • @Hidensee
    @Hidensee 6 років тому +175

    It is ok to be Imperial.

    • @florp1230
      @florp1230 6 років тому +2

      Vítězslav Zpěvak I feel u

    • @christiandauz3742
      @christiandauz3742 6 років тому +3

      The Empire is the first to fall to Chaos!

    • @irongeneral7861
      @irongeneral7861 6 років тому +12

      and white

    • @anzelmgrzyb3982
      @anzelmgrzyb3982 4 роки тому +2

      It's ok to be the good guy

    • @josiahgibbs5271
      @josiahgibbs5271 3 роки тому +3

      By saying this, you just said it's okay to be fine with the destruction of over five planets and everything unique about them, the races, the flora, and the fauna. If it was YOUR planet getting blown to smithereens, and YOU were left alive, and forced to find a new home, it would be very different. Think how Leia must have felt when seeing Alderaans destruction.

  • @matsuspeaks
    @matsuspeaks 4 роки тому

    this commentary is fantastic!! a lot of this could also be said about luke in regards to ben solo and everything that happened between them mirrors this all so well.

  • @j.tastic9132
    @j.tastic9132 6 років тому +2

    Thanks to channels like yours I was inspired to write an essay on this exact topic and actually submitted it to a contest.

  • @jwolf5927
    @jwolf5927 6 років тому +72

    hey ive actually been looking for a Death stick dealer, so hit me up.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому +21

      +J Wolf wow use a public forum why don’t you

    • @jwolf5927
      @jwolf5927 6 років тому +8

      finals got me desperate man.

    • @NoobDeGuerra
      @NoobDeGuerra 6 років тому +6

      J Wolf Is that legal ?

    • @jwolf5927
      @jwolf5927 6 років тому +8

      only if you dont get caught.

    • @adj9271
      @adj9271 6 років тому +9

      NoobDeGuerra I WILL MAKE IT LEGAL!!!

  • @MarcMagma
    @MarcMagma 6 років тому +80

    Because they were so small-minded and had a completly wrong understanding of the word "balance".
    Now let's see what you have to say, Generation Tech.

    • @GAdmThrawn
      @GAdmThrawn 6 років тому +4

      Yes, somewhat, on the small-mindness, no, on the wrong understanding of balance. Balance was achieved when Anakin killed the Emperor at the cost of his life.

    • @violentscorl697
      @violentscorl697 6 років тому +13

      Grand Admiral Thrawn The Jedi really didn’t grasp what “balance” means. They were openly talking about how Anakin, the chosen one, would bring balance to the force and “exterminate the sith”. A hundred thousand light side users and zero dark siders is *balanced* ? Yeahhhhh, tooootally.

    • @GAdmThrawn
      @GAdmThrawn 6 років тому +4

      It doesn't matter if there were a thousand Jedi or just one. Balance in the Force isn't achieved with the number of Jedi or the number of Sith as they have no bearing on it. The Force exists whether there is Jedi or not. Balance was achieved when Anakin killed the Emperor; this is confirmed by George Lucas in the ROTS audio commentary.

    • @violentscorl697
      @violentscorl697 6 років тому +5

      Grand Admiral Thrawn wow. That’s what I’d call a big-ass plothole

    • @MarcMagma
      @MarcMagma 6 років тому +4

      +TeoTeoTeo No, it's unbalanced if the dark and the light isn't used equally. If you put two black weights on one side and 100 white weights on the other with all weights having the same, well, weight, you have an unbalance. If you remove all the weights of one side you have even more of an unbalance.

  • @devinsweeting4978
    @devinsweeting4978 6 років тому +10

    inform the emperor, get this man a medal. his paper should be widely published.

    • @FranzFerdinandVIII
      @FranzFerdinandVIII 4 роки тому +2

      As Archduke, I shall honor Alan with an Academic Prestige Diploma.

  • @thomaswende3092
    @thomaswende3092 6 років тому +78

    Obi-Wan: "You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them, bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness"
    Nope, he definitely brought balance to the force. Before there was an entire order of Jedi & just 2 Sith. After order 66, it was pretty much even. Just saying, Anakin definitely matched his prophecy.

    • @violentscorl697
      @violentscorl697 6 років тому +16

      Thomas Wende Yep. The dogmatic and idiotic Jedi Order or rather its high council did obviously not know what “balance” freaking means!

    • @chrisbibber6199
      @chrisbibber6199 4 роки тому +5

      I still say that Anakin fulfilled the prophesy by bringing Luke and Leia to the universe. Both were force users, yet luke was jedi, and leia a politician. Luke taught all aspects of the force, both light and dark. Leia as a senator made choices best for the republic, not individual pieces of the republic. Luke and Leia brought balance, so in a sense, Anakin brought balance to the force.

    • @darthsidious1183
      @darthsidious1183 4 роки тому

      There were tens of youngling outposts across the galaxy and many more Jedi masters, just over a hundred still searching for force users.

    • @superman9269
      @superman9269 4 роки тому

      Yeah it wasn’t gonna happen the way they thought it would happen the prophecy that is

    • @thomasalegredelasoujeole9998
      @thomasalegredelasoujeole9998 3 роки тому

      Thomas Wende despite himself though. The force uses its users, wether they like it or not, in ways the users can’t see.

  • @vitamindubya
    @vitamindubya 6 років тому +3

    I have a little trouble with something that includes "there is no emotion"

  • @halrold7369
    @halrold7369 6 років тому +11

    Here's the problem: This "tolerant" belief that you talk about that would have "saved" the Jedi is EXACTLY why the New Republic fell. They signed a treaty with the Empire/First Order, and refused to take action against them. This allowed the First Order to build an army, navy, and superweapon to destroy the New Republic. Sometimes, the only thing you can do is to strike down your enemy without mercy, especially one that has proven to have a complete lack of empathy for individual life. They built not one, but two weapons that could destroy entire planets. What is it to say they wouldn't build a third?

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому +8

      +halrold that’s the thing tho the Jedi should either be geared towards war our in my opinion left out of it. The Jedi were extremely capable soldiers but not all of them were great tacticians. In the end most battles aren’t 1 vs 1 hero duels but about larger units. And the clones were the finest soldiers in the galaxy give them a good general who doesn’t have to follow a Jedi code and you have unstoppable force.

    • @violentscorl697
      @violentscorl697 6 років тому

      Generation Tech Exactly!

    • @jacobfreeman5444
      @jacobfreeman5444 6 років тому +7

      Yeah, a classic case of lawful stupid. It isn't that the new Republic being honorable is bad but they refused to not abide by their agreement even when the other side was ignoring their obligations. Obedience to law took precedence over good sense. An agreement only works when both parties follow it. If one is only doing lip service to it then that opens up all sorts of complications. Like war.

  • @GALAXIE67
    @GALAXIE67 6 років тому +2

    There is truth in the wisdom of your words☺ excellent video👍👍Merry Christmas🎄🎄 & a happy new year🎉🎉 to everyone @ G- tech☺

  • @MrDavidSalamon
    @MrDavidSalamon 6 років тому +2

    Excellent dude!! A good understanding of what the Jedi order went through.

  • @JacobHollis96
    @JacobHollis96 5 років тому +4

    Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The force shall free me.

  • @collguyjoe99
    @collguyjoe99 6 років тому +16

    Would love to see a Humanity Shot First tshirt!

  • @Pan-demic
    @Pan-demic 5 років тому +2

    I like how you emerge yourself in the Star Wars universe. Keep up the good work!

  • @shannonreynolds624
    @shannonreynolds624 6 років тому

    Oh, nice video BTW. I always enjoy watching them and have referred your channel to a lot of people because they are so interesting.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому

      +Shannon Reynolds thanks I appreciate it

  • @Raidoven
    @Raidoven 6 років тому +8

    this. this is why i loved the prequels. the execution may have been sloppy, but the core idea was brilliant. the movies may have fucked it up, but the clone wars series made up for it, IMO.

  • @waitandhope
    @waitandhope 6 років тому +8

    I hardly say they failed, they succeeded in keeping peace for generations

  • @papparenzulli918
    @papparenzulli918 3 роки тому

    Allen your content gives me happiness keep it up!! I love your videos snd contetnt

  • @ryancampbell8203
    @ryancampbell8203 4 роки тому

    Excellent summary Generation Tech!!!!!

  • @InventorZahran
    @InventorZahran 6 років тому +6

    Imagine what would happen if the Jedi Order was composed of force-sensitive Vulcans...

  • @owendiaram3870
    @owendiaram3870 2 роки тому +5

    I'd love a neutral faction in later Star Wars history (post-empire) and in these stories this organization is viewed as hostile or evil by our jedi protagonists but slowly... bit by bit... they realize that the neutral faction is right and end up working with this faction to dismantle the new jedi order

  • @MrRich2u
    @MrRich2u 5 років тому

    Great Video. Well thought out and very true.

  • @donstarlancer
    @donstarlancer 6 років тому

    This was awesome. I really like the way you did this subject.

  • @mmacity608
    @mmacity608 6 років тому +5

    Your super nerdy kayfabe won me over by the end lol

  • @devinjedimaster9947
    @devinjedimaster9947 6 років тому +16

    I'm still a jedi but yeah i can say the order had problems.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому +4

      +Devin Brown goooood

    • @kkruhk1641
      @kkruhk1641 6 років тому +3

      a portion of the jedi remained in the order but did not agree with the council's decisions

  • @Giganfan2k1
    @Giganfan2k1 6 років тому +1

    I love this format. Make 100 more, this video made me subscribe.

  • @donniedorko634
    @donniedorko634 4 роки тому

    You hands down are the BEST youtuber on Star Wars. I hope you're always here.

  • @darthXreven
    @darthXreven 6 років тому +5

    Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
    Through Passion I gain Strength.
    Through Strength I gain Power.
    Through Power I gain Victory.
    Through Victory my chains are Broken.
    The Force shall free me.
    Reven said that in order for the sith to be strong it wasn't necessary for a massive horde to exist but merely 2 souls, a master and a student, one to embody power and one to learn and eventually usurp power through ritual combat. by spending time growing in power and teaching 1 person your ways and eventually falling to their blade ensured that each new generation of sith would be stronger, while the jedi would mediate the peace the hidden sith would amass power until the time was right, it might happen tomorrow it might happpen 10,000 years from not but one day the day will come when a sith lord would rule the galaxy.....
    ---
    flash to the Emperor's throne room circa Battle of Endor...oops, the sith must try again
    ---
    flash to when luke tries to kill his nephew....wait what??
    ----
    flash to when luke projects his image across a vast distance.....wait, you can do that? so now the jedi done finally outdid the sith and have a skill we lack WTF?
    SW is broken man, it's broke I say lolz

  • @Demolitiondude
    @Demolitiondude 6 років тому +35

    Space Marine recruitment is more hardcore.

    • @clintmorgan1491
      @clintmorgan1491 6 років тому

      Paladin Demo Heretic

    • @Demolitiondude
      @Demolitiondude 6 років тому

      The Last Knight what me?

    • @hbme2103
      @hbme2103 6 років тому +1

      yes, but space marines are genetically engineered super soldiers, an organic cyborg if you will and were made for war and protecting the imperium. the tau even refer to them as living weapons which is technically correct. they are totally different from the jedi in terms of how they function and serve the society.

    • @Demolitiondude
      @Demolitiondude 6 років тому +1

      hbme2103 remember they have to be natural born killers by age ten to be considered a recruit.

  • @f1b0nacc1sequence7
    @f1b0nacc1sequence7 5 років тому +1

    Great wisdom you have...

  • @heatherrockwell9012
    @heatherrockwell9012 4 роки тому +1

    The music in this video is an odd choice but it works very well. Makes you feel for the Jedi a lot.

  • @toddfox1559
    @toddfox1559 6 років тому +7

    Hows that new disrupter rifle doing for you? I know you said you couldn't afford the next one up, but I may have something you would like. I have come across some parts that for a few credits more would definitely increase the firepower and accuracy of your current rifle. Interested ??

  • @christopherlheagy
    @christopherlheagy 6 років тому +4

    I'm so fucking happy to have found this channel.

  • @tarkajedi3331
    @tarkajedi3331 6 років тому

    Brilliant - Had to subscribe!!!

  • @bonoki3870
    @bonoki3870 6 років тому +1

    most impressive video by far, thanks.

  • @nicholasmosley2851
    @nicholasmosley2851 5 років тому +3

    The thing that always bothers me is that Obi wans statement is yes an absolute but he is not dealing in an absolute in the statement. Dealing in an absolute was what Anakin did by saying if you are not with me then you are my enemy which is dealing with only two options.

  • @julianbaxter2403
    @julianbaxter2403 6 років тому +10

    To be fair on the Jedi Order, you must remember they spent ONE THOUSAND YEARS without an incident of a Sith Lord. Enough to make them think they are extinct.
    Meanwhile, the Sith have evolved. They hid, letting the Jedi rest in their power. They waited for the jedi to become complacent, clouding the Jedi vision with the Dark side. Then they attacked.
    To summarise, 1000 years is not a bad mark. Now lets talk about the Rebel Alliance, the New Republic and Luke's Order...

  • @maarifawalcott5145
    @maarifawalcott5145 6 років тому

    Dope video, compelling thesis, I like!

  • @JPLeonhart
    @JPLeonhart 6 років тому

    Another great video, thanks!

  • @markusnavergard2387
    @markusnavergard2387 6 років тому +4

    the Sith evolved with the times. the Jedi never did.

  • @Hexenkind1
    @Hexenkind1 6 років тому +5

    This is the very lesson luke learned in all his time in exile.

  • @Marcusjnmc
    @Marcusjnmc 6 років тому

    great video, wish the people behind episode 8 had done more to take advantage of all the set up for this sort of thing so many great storytellers worked on

  • @FreedomforHaiti
    @FreedomforHaiti 5 років тому

    Very interesting and insightful.

  • @arctroopernull8733
    @arctroopernull8733 6 років тому +37

    Sometimes all it takes is a little push haha.

  • @GT-he4jt
    @GT-he4jt 4 роки тому +3

    The emperor would probably publish your video now that the Jedi order fell.

  • @jeffvandam874
    @jeffvandam874 6 років тому

    Great video!

  • @Gasrojo27
    @Gasrojo27 6 років тому

    Very interesting point of view. I share a lot of your thoughts.

  • @yuyaplays9311
    @yuyaplays9311 6 років тому +3

    mmm death sticks ... and yeah hopefully with Reis lack of training will help her to develop a new Jedi order that is more grey.

  • @ibraheemahmad7404
    @ibraheemahmad7404 6 років тому +4

    This is one of the best videos you have ever put out. I totally love this channel.

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому +3

      you would like this palps

    • @bipedleek241
      @bipedleek241 6 років тому

      Darth Sidious praise lord Vader and Emperor Palpatine

  • @godzillavkk
    @godzillavkk 6 років тому

    Good work. Though I'm saddned that the Clone Wars cartoon did not show the war as you described it and instead babied it to good vs evil.

  • @MrMarinus18
    @MrMarinus18 6 років тому +2

    One of my favorite storylines in this vein is the mandelorian wars. It was fairly early in the history of the republic and it was just after the jedi had sworn an oath to protect the republic against the sith. However the mandelorians were not sith and so it was a real question of rather they could just sit back and watch the republic burn or if they should become involved in a war in which they really have no stake in since the force is not involved.

  • @KatrinaLeFaye
    @KatrinaLeFaye 5 років тому +3

    From your logic, outside of holy war, the Jedi would be best served by sociopaths that are raised from infancy with the code.
    It would eliminate emotion and passion allowing for true knowledge to be acquired and with the code of conduct instilled, possibly subliminally from infancy, they would not find it a problem to add to the force upon discorperation of the physical form. This last part would be especially true if they were raised to believe in Force Ghosts and their powers.

  • @rockyperez6668
    @rockyperez6668 6 років тому +20

    Excute order 66

    • @christiandauz3742
      @christiandauz3742 6 років тому

      Then the Jedi worship Chaos out of desperation
      And then they kill the Clones and Sith

    • @bipedleek241
      @bipedleek241 6 років тому

      Yes my lord
      Blast him!

    • @kkruhk1641
      @kkruhk1641 6 років тому

      order 66 never got me

    • @darthsidious1183
      @darthsidious1183 4 роки тому +1

      Don’t steal me line

  • @paigebettencourt2382
    @paigebettencourt2382 6 років тому +2

    The Jedi thought that balance meant destroying the dark side. They're so over their heads that all they had to do was check up what the word "balance" meant.

  • @havenousbrown5917
    @havenousbrown5917 6 років тому

    Excellent video.

  • @shawnstankiewicz6244
    @shawnstankiewicz6244 6 років тому +5

    Bro this is hands down the best video I ever seen to explain how ill equipped the Jedi were totally out up there depth as General's of the GAR.Which Left them on a downward spiral to there own destruction.

  • @MannyK8705
    @MannyK8705 6 років тому +3

    what form of media is that footage from Old Republic period? I've never played the video games... is that what it is?

    • @GenerationTech
      @GenerationTech  6 років тому +3

      +MannyK8705 it’s from the mmorpg which is kinda bleh... it’s no kotor

  • @catalyzzt6383
    @catalyzzt6383 6 років тому +2

    this channel should have at least 1mil subs

  • @simlucien
    @simlucien 6 років тому

    Another brilliant one!

  • @DenDhur
    @DenDhur 6 років тому +52

    Watching order 66 unfold is still hilarious

    • @USSAnimeNCC-
      @USSAnimeNCC- 6 років тому +2

      Watching Boba fett to a blind man is hilarious

    • @DenDhur
      @DenDhur 6 років тому +3

      Steven Anchundia seeing weak Jedi go down is way more satisfying

    • @ironbear5073
      @ironbear5073 6 років тому +1

      it was sad!

    • @kkruhk1641
      @kkruhk1641 6 років тому +1

      i survived it!

  • @jesusmario6106
    @jesusmario6106 6 років тому +3

    Honestly I didn’t like that jedi rule of no emotion, I mean that’s the one thing that makes us human

  • @yellowfig812
    @yellowfig812 6 років тому

    Good video man

  • @thehighlander1194
    @thehighlander1194 6 років тому +1

    I like this guy well spoken and thoughtful.

  • @TheDuckClock
    @TheDuckClock 6 років тому +14

    So in other words. Luke was right that the old Jedi way needed to end in The Last Jedi.
    However in doing so he also allows for Rey to rebuild it in a new modern way from a blank state. Ones with less dogma's and restrictions.

    • @vanillagorilla6990
      @vanillagorilla6990 6 років тому

      the group with dogma will be the dominating force. your proposing an ideology with no back bone and will be crushed by sith never the less. this does seem to be what is in mind for disney.

  • @JACCO20082012
    @JACCO20082012 6 років тому +8

    Obviously Lucas never intended the Jedi to be flawed and corrupt and dogmatic. He intended them to be the epitome of goodness and morality. His poor writing in the prequels was what led to this.
    That said, I think it is far more interesting to be able to examine things like this and I think it makes the story better when you realize that the Jedi and Sith are two sides to the same coin.
    If anything the Sith are the more civilized side of the coin because they don’t go around slaughtering people at the drop of a hat like the Jedi do (Geonosis).

    • @violentscorl697
      @violentscorl697 6 років тому +6

      JACCO20082012 The portrayal of the Jedi oder as a flawed cult in the prequel movies was way too deliberately done to be considered a “mistake” on Lucas’ part.
      He just wanted to show why and how the Jedi Order fell and that they had their fair share of flaws that pushed them over the edge into doom.

  • @ChamplainValleyRailSnapshots
    @ChamplainValleyRailSnapshots 6 років тому +1

    Very fascinating video. I think it leads to the heart of the Anakin matter, which I was hoping you'd get into. That Qui-Gon and the Jedi that were obsessed with the prophecy and balance to the force were right about Anakin... just not in the way they assumed. Thinking he was their to eliminate the dark side, blind to the fact that the Jedi order had gone totally out of whack.

  • @Ezinma88
    @Ezinma88 9 місяців тому

    Funny setup and well argued.