5 FORBIDDEN Lightsaber Techniques Too BRUTAL For Jedi & Sith
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I love how Obi-wan just keeps using forbidden techniques despite being one of the most ideal jedi ever lol
He was trained by Qui Gon who, I think, would be considered being as close to a gray Jedi as you can within the movies. Obi-wan would have some of those tendencies of eschewing council guidelines and rules as a carry over from his master's training.
@@XSR_RUGGER Mace Windu was also close to being a grey Jedi it's why he was able to use vapaad without succumbing to the dark side he was at balance with the force.
"Only a Sith deals in absoluts!" :Obi-Wan
@rmcgowa1987 no, he's purple, Mothafucka. He's Mace mothafuckin Windu
Because the Jedi dogma was crap. If you go into a fight doing anything less than trying to survive you are willingly committing suicide. You value the life of the person you are fighting more than you value your life. A light saber duel was to the death, unless the more morale person just happened to be more skilled, or lucky enough, to survive and take the other person prisoner. All these, oh you can strike at this angle but not this angle, were rules created by Jedi who had never been in combat. Those that had, did what they had to to survive. So it's like you said, a most ideal Jedi using all these techniques.
This is not even a question. In both cases (Maul and Vader), Kenobi was fighting someone who was clearly outmatching him. When both, your life and the galaxy, are at stake, there is no room for honor and sportsmanship. You do what needs to be done.
i seriously agree with you
“I will do what I must” - Obi
There was no such thing as a fair fight. All vulnerabilities must be exploited. - Author: Cary Caffrey
@@AndrewSzala so darth vader facing luke skywalker was not a fair fight or even darth maul vs qui gon jinn and obi wan kenobi was not a fair fight or even darth vader fightnng luke skywalker again was not a fair fight or even jaina solo vs darth caedus was not a fair fight
@@thereturnofdarthcaedus exactly
.. you can NEVER assume your enemy will fight by your rules.
Honestly I think the fact that obi wan clearly knew the techniques but would only use them if he was absolutely forced to, trying literally everything else before resorting to them speaks volumes for why he's considered a paragon of the jedi. It's kinda like why superheroes who always hold back are considered heroic. Guy could have been a blender sending limbs, torsos, and heads flying everywhere. But he chose not to.
The master of defensive dismemberment
Obi wan grew up admiring Mace Windu
So it could be possible that Mace taught him these forbidden moves because Mace is the sole master of Form Vll and the only one who can teach it.
I strongly believe moukei is a Form Vll maneuver.
Indeed
This is a amazing aspect of Obi-Wan as a person. He never went all out knowing he could have potentially hurt someone, thus making it a last resort.. i trully think that it should be this way it doesn't mean that others feel the same way as to hurt there opponent im partial to last resorts.
Think I saw him use on Florrum when fighting both Maul and Savage. But like you said he only used it when there was a legitimate chance of dying when he got cornered after Savage killed Adi Galia. That on top of knee-capping Savage.
I think Cal Kestis used an improvised use of Trakata in JFO. In his third duel with Trilla, he and the Second Sister were in a blade lock. Then Cal deactivated his lightsaber, causing Trilla to stumble forward and left her open to his follow up Force push
I always thought that was creative on kals part which shows he'll will fight a bit dirt to win the duel.
I think that's just called thinking.. I'm sure if swords could do that then people would've done it years ago throughout history
I did this all of the time in Jedi academy, as well other duelists. never knew it was "forbidden"
I really wanna see esra vs cal
@@norbertgarcia6184
It fits Cal’s description. He is no longer a by the book Jedi. The Jedi are gone. Cal simply needs to survive.
1. In a duel to the death, there are no rules.
2. Being in a fair fight is the result of poor preparation and planning.
What about the usage of a Ghostfire kyber crystal? It would produce a nearly invisible and silent blade which was quite useful for stealth and during combat it had the ability to produce an after image of its wielder, confusing their opponent.
I didn't know it could produce an afterimage...
@@AndrewAce. According to Legends that is of course! Only with a user attuned with it. Although there were no records of any users as it was on a handful of far remote planets into the Outer Rims. Or they kept that advantage secret, I know I would!
It was extremely difficult to obtain as it was "stealthy" on its own, barely registering a signature in the force. I have no idea if they made it cannon though.
Excellent
Wait a second! That last technique was used by Mace against Jango (in the extended Scene). With one blur of his lightsabre he cuts through his arms and then his neck.
no; I can see exactly how you think this. But infact what Mace done to Windu was even worse.
Basically, with the technique described; you use a single circular motion to cut of multiple limbs.
Mace outright stabs Jango in the leg on this scene; then straight up through 1 shoulder as a new attack after his drawn his blade back (chambered his attack).
It isn't until he Chambers his blade after taking of the first arm, that he takes the second arm.
Each of the limbs Mace attacks are actually single attacks in themselves.
Yea Mace straight up just butchers Jango to peices infront of Child Boba.
Infact this was mentioned in this video to a degree. He mentioned how Vaapad literally flirts with the Dark side. When Mace goes full into Vaapad he fights much more like a Sith. A hateful Nd rage filled oponenet will basically make Mace faster and more powerful.
Essentially it's likely that Mace attacked the same spots that Jango was going to aim for with his next 4 target.
If you watch any version of the scene; after killing Jango Mace stops for a second as if all of the violence from his form has died with Jango.
That wasn't an accident. The EU had detailed Vaapad already; and this scene was designed this way to actually demonstrate why the Jedi hate Mace Windu using Vaapad.
It's also part of How Palpatine manipulated Anakin. He probably knew Mace would use the form on him. If he could get Anakin to see what happens to Mace whe he uses his signature form; he could make one of the most Respected Jedi out to be a complete monster.
Mind you; Mace did often lose himself in Vaapad and do things that were extremely Jedi like. The Darker and more evil his opoenent; the more vile and brutal he became when using Vaapad.
Obi-wan would happily use a banned technique because it would save his life or someone else's. But Obi-Wan would only do it to end a battle that was clearly until Death with no other options.
Mace could never train properly using Vaapad. Jedibwere taught to be near emotionless so that Vaapad couldn't be trained on them.
And he was clearly happy to go straight into Vaapad without worrying about if there were innocents preset; or a dude young Son watching on.
Mace was not far off being a Sith in Jedi clothes; in literally every fight his ever been in.
@@Bakadono7525 awesome point of view! Thanks for sharing
@@Bakadono7525 good breakdown
@@Bakadono7525 This is the very essence of being a grey Jedi knowing you have both light and darkness and accepting both but succumbing to neither. Both Qui Gon and Mace Windu were the closest to being grey Jedi Mace Windu even more so you need to be at balance with the force to master vapaad without it completely consuming you.
I feel such techniques should be disparaged, but still taught and practiced. They are like strong medicine: terrible enough in their working that one should never wish to turn to them, but effective once need for them arises.
The sword *must* be a terrible thing, a tool of slaughter and bloodshed. It needs to be so, else it should become too easily turned to when words might do. But neither should it be neglected, for it must stay sharp to do its work when time has come to draw it.
Id love to see the comparison of lightsaber forms between jedi and sith and how they differentiate
Its the same forms, but sith tend to use different techniques in their chosen form so for instance a sith that studys let's say form 4, the sith may use more aggressive techniques and or movements compared to the jedi, however every jedi and sith does add their own style to their chosen form so there's that.
Juyo needs superior self control to master. So Sora failing to master Vapaad due to his lack of self control is not surprising. For Vapaad is based on Juyo in which I said before, needs superior self control to even master it.
obiwan is still the pinnacle of a jedi because of how he used these techniques he didn’t use them recklessly he used them incredibly sparingly and only when he was no doubt going to die if not for the technique’s
Trikata for Jedi “dishonourable”
Trikata for Sith “bitch move”
Yes… I started studying The Art of Kendo and I was inspired by The making of Empire Strikes Back Documentary back when I was youngest in the 80s.. and how the actors of The Star Wars films studied Kendo for the lightsaber duels in the films. And this video has many parallels between the two arts. Electric video… Thank you for the fantastic content.
How ironic that Anakin/Darth Vader used Cho Mai twice in the films, using it to severe Luke's hand in Empire Strikes Back, & in Revenge of the Sith to cut off both Dooku's hands (payback for Dooku using it to cut off his hand in the past)! Still both Vader & Dooku were formerly Jedi so their use of it makes sense (Vader also likely used it on Luke to disarm him so they could talk & he could hopefully convince Luke to join him)!
Luke used cho mai against Vader on the second death star.
Love Qui-Gon Jinn So much. I remember reading a book about him fighting his former apprentice (before obi-wan). So much respect, I think is his considered more neutrally aligned than good.
In the case of both Vapaad and Trakata, they both boil down to the Jedi and Sith alike despising and fearing efficiency and effectiveness in combat. Sith are all about domination and fear, while the Jedi are all out fair play and mercy. Ever since my friends and I really started playing tabletop D20 Star Wars, my favorite character was a regular soldier that took up a Lightsaber and fought with pure efficiency with killing an enemy as soon and swiftly as possible. Battle has no respect for bullshit, after all.
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Obi out here like “honor is useless if you’re dead!”
Exar kun learned alot of forbidden techniques from tulak hord and the jedi exile he combined those techniques with all 7 lightsaber forms to become so good in blade combat
thanks for the tutorial
I'm not dying for belife in good sportsmanship
Amazing of forbidden Jedi and sith lightsaber tasks use in star was, fantastic job.
SW, I can't tell you how much all of your thorough analysis of my favorite franchise (discard everything Disney. I hate you all) has helped me through personal shit in my life. My favotite video is how Anikan, some time after falling and ending up in a space suit and cape, explains what it's like to be him. To feel a maximum of power but never be able to draw freely from it.
Turning a lightsaber off to bypass an enemy's defenses was something I thought about years ago. I didn't know it was already a thing that existed in the Star Wars universe. Trakata would DEFINITELY be my fighting style as a force user. I don't care about others judging me I'm here to win!
Edit: I just remembered originally I called it the Phantom Blade technique. If I could noticeably improve the style I could still call it that.
In fact it could be just as dangerous turning it on and off as it is effective keep that in mind not you.
Very good anything it takes I like that 🔥🔥
Imagine mastering Trakata and Vaapad both and in conjunction together as a hybrid of the two
Jedi: Noooooooo it's unsportsmanlike
Sith: Pussy
Copied meme aside, it's highly risky because if you time yourself wrong then you're pretty much dying
@@pankajsaroj3039 Snarky Grey Jedi: The p*ssy that killed you...
Love FAM. Respect.
My thought is, that there are no bad techniques, except showy, flashy ones meant to demean your opponent (Sith love those). I do agree with the disarm before killing, but only if you can. In the Maul case, he was fighting a Sith (did not know if apprentice or master) and hanging in a vent shaft unarmed, he had to do what he could and a center mass shot (Sniper talk, but applies here) was the best option, to survive it. In Anakin's case, he did what he must just as Yoda said, Anakin could not leave alive or whole as he was much too powerful (very much above Kenobi), so same thing applies, whatever it takes
The siths inability to see past their own pride and paradoxical stance on trakata is so foolish to me. If one lusts for victory and power, then a slave to honor you cannot be even if it is your own.
The discovered by the sith vertical cut in half was used by Obi Wan Kenobi in the "Rebels" series. So he used both forbidden moves.
Survival and victory always!
I imagined the same thing you said with the consular, except because he/she is a consular fighting a Sith, I imagine the Sith trying to overpower him with brute force in a saberlock, and the consular realizing he can use his force against him like some aikido move and then doing it, because that kind of sounds like the sort of epiphany a consular would have mid-combat.
Nice vidio like always
Anakin knowing these moves are forebidden and still having obi-wan do one to him, and knowing obiwan did the other to Maul...
"We're not so different you and I...."
Duly noted… and very good point lol.
I'm not sure if it was a deleted scene or extra part. Maul tries to slice Obi wan as he's jumping up. Not sure why Maul didn't just block the swipe.
In answer to the question at the end.
"I will do what I must." ~Obi-Wan Kinobi~
There is no such thing as a forbidden technique in the heat of an life and death battle.
Let us not forget these skills while praying we may never have to use them outside of the upmost dire situations.
Obi Wan reads the forbidden moves text as "Stuff I'll Do All The Time"
“Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.”
Obiwan sure uses a lot of banned moves. What's next, using blasters?... wait...
Obi Wan was an exemplary example of the Jedi, including their hypocrisy.
Anakin/Vader actually did have Obi-Wan on the defense that whole fight. The one thing that bothered me was.... when they had that stupid "pirates" moment when swinging on the cables..... why didn't one of them just cut the other persons cable off and send them flying into the lava? Whatever. Vader was absolutely crushing Obi-Wan. That whole "you will try" thing.... he wasn't far off. Had he not gotten to that shore where Anakin couldn't land anywhere without being hit, he would've lost. And, if Anakin hadn't overshot his first jump over Obi-Wan and having to catch his balance, he would've won the duel right there.
The Darth Vader we all know is really cool, but it would've been cool to see a Vader without a suit. Just a badass Sith that was stronger than any other people around him. He just hadn't learned to control it. And Sidious made sure he slaughtered the Jedi and even the younglings, to purge any good left in him. The scene where he's done killing off the Separatists leaders, and he's crying..... breaks my heart every time I see it. What he didn't understand, because of the time it happened to his mother, he actually caused the death of his love. Had he just let it be. She would've lived, he would've became a Master, and all would've been fine. But, then we wouldn't have gotten Obi-wan, Luke, Han, Leia, Chewy, and Lando. (Rey, Fin, and the others don't exist in my mind. The series ended with the party in the forest.) I guess Mando is okay. We'll see what happens. They already messed up the whole Grogu thing. Luke wouldn't have said "here, you can only have one, armor, or a weapon that you'll probably kill yourself with. You don't want the weapon? Well then I'm not training you." Stupid.
WOW i like Obiwan even more now!!!
I'm more middle ground. I say most of the time use what works but one should try to keep it quick. Though to me the turning off and back on of a lightsaber makes perfect sense for some situations and thus shouldn't be shunned.
Trikata is a lightsaber form perfect for gunslingers. I'm surprised neither Kenobi, Anakin nor Darth Vader never used Trikata considering all the war crimes they committed.
I wonder if any four sensitive beings used blasters or projectile weapons of any kind. As a primary weapon. Just like Darth Maul was able to redirect blaster bolts and Kylo Ren was able to stop them mid air, someone who is for sensitive could land precision shots. Disabling or outright eliminating a target.
There was a group of jedi in legends that preferred to use blasters,they were just as proficient with them as any jedi with a lightsaber,they could actually block incoming fire with their own shots,i forget the name of the group but i remember it from a geetsly video
Most Jedi deemed blasters uncivilized, that's why most didn't use them.
Use whatever works. Turning the lightsaber on/off/on, extending/contracting its blade length, reflecting the dark side against itself...all fair in combat.
Interesting video
Sweet 👍
the old rule of combat, if it's life or death, there are no rules, obi-wan seemed to understand that.
what about who created the forms? great video!
Honor and victory
Mace Windu tought Bepa Dillaba Form VII Vapaad version. But still she favoured, as jedi knight, to taught form III, Soresu.
In a life or death duel, there's no room for things like honour and sportsmanship. You do whatever you have to do to make sure you're the one that walks away. It's as simple as that.
In the study of martial arts I find that often times circumstance is the reason for using a technique. I am not saying that you can’t chose but choice sometimes comes from circumstance.
That's right, use whatever works.
8:17 YIKES!!!
I just heard star wars theories version of Anakins style of fighting. It was also about being fast and deliberate. Dooku wasnt fast but he did... Disarm Anakin... He restricted himself to the old rules too much
Obi wan using illegal techniques is the epitome of "the the wrong man for the right situations".
Actually, "the right man for the wrong situation"
Survival and victory
Mercy and honor
Why would Cho Mai be bad for a Sith? Wouldn't unwristing an opponent make it easier to do a killing blow or dunk on the opponent?
I have a hypothesis about lightsabers, that they either cannot, or it's very difficult for one blade to slide alongside another. I dunno if anyone else used to play with tunes or sticks as a kid, but pretty much the winning strategy when all you need to do is touch the opponent with your blade was holding the blade in front of you and using circular motions. If they push your blade out of the way from a lunge, you circle around their blade. Even a slight increase in range is an incredible advantage.
However if blades sort of stick then that straight-out circular technique is no longer Meta, as all they have to do is make contact with your blade and one of you has to pull back to make another strike.
This also explains why many of their locks didn't end in one just sliding down. It also explains why cross guards were never necessary. Blades down's slide down towards your hands. (kylo Ren's lightsaber did not have cross guards, it had vents. You can clearly see that even with his, a lightsaber sliding down would cut through the emitters and not be stopped by the short perpendicular beams)
It's also why palps didn't just push his lightsaber forward to stab through yoda's head in their duel when Yoda blocked it in front of his face.
It just makes everything make more sense IMO.
Light sabers use a magnetic field to contain the plasma of the beam,lightsaber blades actually tend to repel from one another,try seeing how long and how precisely you can control two magnets pushing away from each other,this is why when blade clash together they dont just phase through one another and why when in the midst of a saber lock its so intense in a duel
@@angelohowardii8907 interesting idea, but I'm just not sure the styles support that. If they were powerful magnets, the lightsaber would either repel of attract each other at larger range. Like it would take effort to get the blades to come into contact with each other but we just don't see anything to support that. Even young Jedi seem to be able to block an incoming blade and the incoming blade will make contact with theirs. That also doesn't explain why the blades sliding against each other doesn't appear to be a thing.
Some of the Greatest Jedi & Sith Masters ever used forbidden forms. Kenobi, Windu, Both Skywalkers, Reven, Traya, ect....
Nice
It's important to know of the techniques and how to utilize them so you know how to fight against them. Knowing how to use the techniques gives you knowledge of the muscles and movements that go into them thus allowing you to defeat the opponent using the technique with your own skill rather than resort to using underhanded methods.
The only thing Obi did wrong was not finishing off Anakin. Exactly what mercy was he showing to let him slowly burn up, which seriously.....backfired.
It is not how you fight but what you are fighting for that determines the good or evil of your actions.
Trakata? The main reason why Exar Kun was unbeatable.
For the question : I think that's depend by situation if is a fair duel I use probably the correct and clear style but if I must fight for my life or for the life of someone probably I can use all things that I can find for win the fight
I see Obiwan was the most naughty boy in the Jedi order.
He was taught by qui gon who was taught by dooku it’s so ironic how obi wan is the most senior Jedi in terms of sith kills simply because he wouldn’t play fair
8:11 It (presumably) doesn't damage any vital organs, and because the wound is caterized, there wouldn't be any bleeding out.
As a rogue Jedi Sentinel in Role play Whatever works and accomplishes the goal / task. Tracotta being a favored form, using dual sabers employing form 7 and 10
i like trecota so much, id use it a lot
Imagine if you took the idea of Trakata and built a light saber specifically for that technique. Have a setting that turns your saber on and off rapidly, it would be impossible to block but would also not be able to block it's self when setting the blade to "stutter"
Idk that much about all this but am fascinated. So to add to your thought, would it be possible to be so attuned to your Saber that you could control it as needed? Hope that makes sense.
This is a thing, not 100% on the name but it’s a specific kyber crystal in legends.
There is one technique the Jedi will NEVER forbid.
And that is THE HIGH GROUND.
lol the second one I always thought about while watching the movies didn’t know it was an technique though
Three, actually. It may have been a retcon to cover an SFX misstep at first, but Kenobi's use of Trakata vs. Vader on the Death Star is actually tactically sound. By threatening a Trakata strike to the chest console keeping Vader alive, Kenobi maintains his space and keeps Vader from simply closing in and overpowering him with his cybernetics.
Mercy and honor.
If it is the most efficient way to adapt and overcome then, Time and Opportunity shouldn't be wasted, period.
It’s funny Kylie Ren kinda used Jar’Kata to kill Snooke 🤣🤣🤣
Obi-wan fought fire with fire and his burned brighter every time
4:15 - That one tactic everyone in the whole game hates and looks down upon, but one stupid noob in every server always abuses 🤣
Jedi's were protectors of peace. The moment they joined the war, the moment those rules were thrown out.
Using what works as you can not always pick and choose what techniques you can and can not use in the mist of battle. As long only one would be truly dangerous to use would be Mace Windu's fighting style since it require a state of mind only he truly possess at the time
Bepa Billapa was instructed by Windu on Vapaad, but still as Jedi Knight she favoured, mastered and taught form III, soresu
Obi Wan got that dawg in him
When you are in a life and death duel with lightsabers, nothing is off the table. Use every tool, technique, and knowledge to win the battle.
I feel like that’s why these are considered more as philosophies rather than legitimate strategy
@@aarushlal3702 Completely agree. Like pre-determined ROE, but in the heat of the battle survival instincts almost always kick in.
@@aarushlal3702 Depends on if the Jedi consider them war crimes or not. You'd think the do what it takes to survive philosophy would hold up, sadly it doesn't even in the real world. If you built an improvised flamethrower to survive youd still be hit with war crimes because it is an inhumane weapon.
Perfect for gray Jedi
Oh man, I'd love to see some Mace Windu series/movies. Especially, if S.L.Jackson was in the role.
You gotta do what you gotta do.
Victory is essential. Use ANY technique that works given the current situation.
If I may quote the greatest pirate I've ever seen.
" these are the only rules that matter. What a man can do, and what a man can't do"
If I play I play to win. ✌️
“I will do what I must”
It’s a Fight to the DEATH!! Nothing is Forbidden or too cruel!!
As a good friend likes to say, "show me a battlefield and I'll show you victims." It matters not _how_ you win a fight to the death. Only that you _do._
It's shunned because it's a goddamn combo... Trakata + Cho'mai / Mo'kip (both wrists)
Kenobi committed war crimes, broke the Jedi council rules, and left his friend to burn to death. What a Chad.
Use whatever keeps me from losing my head.
This is clearly a point when you become too good for your own good. When in a life and death situation with someone who wants to kill you, and may even better skill wise, it is suicidal to do anything less than everything you can to survive. Honestly, if you do less to try to end the fight peacefully what you are saying is you value the other persons life MORE than you value your own. For fighting regular people this style is understandable from a Jedi, fighting a Sith is a completely different scenario. This is a weakness.
What is the music we can hear at the last third of the video ? I hear it all the time in these videos but I can't put a name on it.
The Stupendous Wave: An unknown Jedi Consular created Trakata.
*Kreia has entered the chat*
That turn on/turn off technique. Didn’t Rey and Kylo do a modified version of it together in TLJ?
Thought he was gonna say cho mama 6:17
Ive used Tra-Ka-Ta (not sure how its spelled) or something similar, I dont consider that style a go-to but a past resort. of course when the lightsabers are toys the stakes are low but yea.. ppl dont like it when you use shortcuts, lol. esp. if you win.
last resort sorry.. stupid.. tiny keys