Robinson R22 - Cost to Own
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2022
- What does it actually cost to buy and own a Robinson R22? In this short video we break down the Cost to Own Robinson R22 and let you know exactly what your get for your money. And how much of your money it will take.
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📋 Explanation of the numbers in this video: • Understanding Cost To ...
In addition to annual costs, we cover the cost per hour and cost per mile to operate. We also cover key performance stats so you know what you're paying for.
Costs of airplane ownership vary widely from owner to owner. This video takes an average of the various expenses from existing owners and boils them down to simple to digest numbers. Your ownership experiences will be unique. - Авто та транспорт
I think you now owe us a video on the cost to own a Great White Shark.
Welp, I guess I have to now buy one to find out for sure. Thanks Jon, I very much appreciate it 🙂✈
They're pretty big, but I'm pretty sure they'll fit in a Tee hangar. Now a basking shark...
April fools video right there
@@CompleteWalkaround I’m curious to know the cost to own sharks with frikin lasers attached to their heads.
That would actually be interesting you know i am not into them but i was told they have a pretty good range
The meta joke is that sharks MUST keep moving forward. 🤣
The Nurse sharks of the seas are laughing at you right now.
"Airplanes use physics to their advantage to maintain flight and fly gracefully
Helicopters beat physics into submission until physics has no choice but to let it fly"
The R22 is such an odd machine. I trained in one and now rent it occasionally to stay proficient. It feels like you're flying something that doesn't know it shouldn't be able to fly... yet. Stays aloft on hopes and dreams.
Lol
helo elitist here - the key is to get someone else to pay you to fly their helicopter ;) also looking forward to the shark analysis in the future!
Is Air NoDak hiring??
If you're thinking to branch out from airplanes, please consider hot air balloons! Bonus points if it's a Firefly model - the load lines in the envelope are literally secured to the basket by nothing other than three wooden toggles 😂
Hey, Thanks so much! You seem to know your balloons. They would be easier to draw than helicopters thats for sure 😄
@@CompleteWalkaround my partner flies a Firefly, so I get to be around balloons a lot 😁
I am a helicopter guy and I’m disappointed you didn’t touch on the 22’s murderous reputation.
I'm waited for that too
That’s why the cabri is gaining popularity, you could also still go for a Schweizer or enstrom, they’re cheaper than the cabri but they’re not as good. So there isn’t that much choice in the piston helicopter trainer market really.
Isn’t that due to the R22 being used as a trainer in quite significant numbers? I’m just guessing here.
@@milan1200 That what I would've guessed as well. I'm not a helicopter guy either, but I've never seen a different type used for civilian training
Agreed. Was just thinking the same thing
Airbus H125 please! Really neat videos! Knowing operating cost is a nice goal to work towards.
Best vid yet you're killing it
FYI, the main reason that helicopters are slow isn't because they have to "put more energy into the vertical," its because of a phenomenon known as dissymmetry of lift:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissymmetry_of_lift
This means as they go faster the relative wind on the retreating side of the main rotor becomes slower requiring that half of the rotor to increase its angle of attack. Once a critical speed is reached, that side of the rotor will stall resulting in a loss of control and pitch up.
That being said, your channel is great, please do more helicopters in the future. :)
Thanks. Thats what I was talking about when I said "sometimes they tilt that lift a little bit forward "
What do you think it would cost for an OV-10? It's such a unique design with interesting history. Originally designed as a STOL CAS aircraft for the marines in Vietnam, it ended up being used by multiple militaries around the world for Counter-insurgency. Hell, even the US airforce brought some out of retirement to use in the middle east before retiring them again! Apparently there seem to be a few floating around in the civilian market. They're also used as fire spotting planes too!
Complete Sharkaround needs to exist
Can you please make a video about a Gyroplane?
Wow! I knew helicopters were more expensive but holy crap! Thanks for educating us on this. That is definitely off my bucket list. Planes it is!
Would be interesting to see an autogiro sometime.
Autogyro seems to have some of the benefits and pitfalls of other uncertified aircraft.
Safety is "highly situation dependent", commercial viability is non-existent, but some people get a lot of joy out of em and may not be spending much money.
@@julianbrelsford Mostly a very fair assessment but can I add to that with a little more depth. If you learn to fly one properly including what most don't teach well (Blade management) they are extremely safe at low speeds. You can literally descend vertically at the rate of a parachute. I know one guy who after loosing his helmet to the prop, vertically descended from 500ft zero forward speed and bend it up pretty good but didn't even damage the rotor (don't count on that). Most low speed accidents are happening at such low speeds they are walk away from accidents even if the machine is a write off. However they are bloody dangerous at very high speeds with shallow disk angles if you go negative G you are buggered, no recovery possible (same for choppers actually). They can be commercially viable in certain contexts. In Australia they are used in cattle mustering in large properties where their excellent maneuverability combined with very low opperating costs makes them significantly cheaper than helicopters and safer as the cognitive load in an always auto-rotating aircraft is significantly cheaper. Your options are use one of these or the r22. As you can as a farmer buy a gyroplane with say a rotax 912s for significantly cheaper than a chopper mustering is definitely a major cost saving. Training is the key, get good training and they are very safe and very low stress to fly.
From my limited knowledge in Australia, I'd think the majority of R22's are being operated by commercial users rather than private individuals. I think the most notable widespread use of these is is by contractors to muster cattle on big stations here in AU
Great channel
Can you do more piston twins? Like the Cessna 414 or 421? Love the videos, watched all of them!
it was cool to see a helicopter cost breakdown here!
Could you, sometime in the future, maybe do a video covering a motorglider? Like a Super Dimona for example?
Or the even more Sexy Grob 109 B.
Another awesome video! A few comments here about its safety record make me want to ask if you’ve considered finding a way to include safety or crash statistics in your future walkarounds. Any sources or formats you like for that?
agreed good stat
Finally a rotor craft! Can we have a video for a surplus gazelle please!!!👍
HELICOPTER!!!!!!!
i love this dearly
Please do a video on the Cabri G2, R44, R66, H125, Bell 206, Bell 505, and maybe the upcoming Hill HX50
I love this channel!
I see the spiny thing on top but can’t stop thinking when will there be a video in the bearhawk 5?
You should do a Cost to Own video on the Guimbal Cabri G2 helicopter.
Can you please do a video reviewing the English electric Canberra
oh god this was brilliant. UH-1 or something related now pretty please, so that Arnold can get to the choppa!
Would love to see you make videos on cost to own 50’ sailboats. I might lose my enthusiasm for them.
50 is a big boat. The nice thing about about sailboats is if something breaks it’s unlikely that you start going down like with airplanes. In my experience maintaining sailboats is mostly optional and constant. Sailing is the practice of fixing a boat in different locations. Sail boats can be expensive but the government isn’t breathing down your neck with the maintenance like in aviation. Do as much or little as you like and sail all the while. But ya, 50 is a big boat. Last thing I’ll say about sailing is that imo 40 is the biggest boat 1 person will ever need. Bigger than that is just to fit more people. 1 (or 2 if you’re well aquatinted) person can do anything with a 40 footer. Also like airplanes you probably expect more people will be on board then actually will. That’s a generalization of course. Happy sailing
Th🙏nks 🕺
Don't know how I missed this, Thanks very much!!
You had me at, "Let's get to the chopper."
Can you do a video on the Vans RV8 , that would be sweet
He did one on the RV-14, which coincidently both of us are building one. Not sure how much he’s finished though. I’m working on my wing right now.
you get a like for the last clip at the end
Actually a really great video explaining why planes are still king, even with the limitations that takoff and landing bring.
I discovered a small plane recently, the Archon SF1, an ultra light in kit with a fighter jet look and some sport perfomance, not a great plane but, in my opinion, it could make a great video
Jesus, that thing looks like something you'd see at a Ugandan military parade.
Could you do a Cessna 421 in one of your next vid’s please 😊?
DO A CESSNA 195 next please!
Requesting the R66 and R44 as well pretty please
check the abandoned r22 i saved. not worth making it fly since the money it needs i can buy a new one, but at least i will fix it complete outside to the point that the engine starts . now if we get enough donations i will make it fly just for the content
Do one on the King Air 200 series pls
Well do R44 next🙂
I was a passenger ONCE in one of these Robinson Pretend-A-Copter aircraft... I won't be doing that again... :))
We actually have one of these at our college
i think Complete Walkaround made this video a) just to have a chance to imply a piston twin was "cheap" to operate 😂
b) to float the idea of his proposed 'complete sharkaround' channel
Can you do an autogiro? I think the Kolb Mk3 is the best plane for real pilots.
And remember kids, this is an entry level bird. Kinda like a Cessna 150. They only go up from here.
Helicopter Engineer of 30+ years here. Buying a helicopter is cheap. Properly maintaining a helicopter is expensive.
If I could afford to buy a helicopter. It would be a Robinson.
Please do a shark video, perfect for April fools.
Wonder how Composite fx compares in pricing
SuperXimango motor glider next!!
So... Question for anyone who might be able to answer... What should be the best, low cost to maintain (if possible) plane for private cargo hauling, and touring? Thanks
That's like asking what tyres should I buy. It depends on what you want to carry, how far and how fast. C-150 will carry two and couple of bicycles and two small overnight bags. A Beech 90 will carry 1200kg, a 1 ton pick up on wings. Look at what small cargo airlines are using.
Helicopters. Proof we’re living in a simulation. 😂
Love your videos!
Get to the chopper!!! haha! now to go look for that shark channel
It would be funny to see how a paraglider stacks up. Yearly costs, maybe $300 for membership dues and wing inspections. Fuel cost? Depends on where you eat, I guess. Range.... is highly variable. Pretty easy to hangar.... I keep mine in my trunk.
I have a paramotor video
@@CompleteWalkaround I must have missed it, I'll check it out! Thanks! Love your content!
How about landing in your backyard? Would that make it better than airplanes?
Not moving forward doesn't sell it no. Plenty of airplanes can land in a few dozen feet anyway
Next heli Cabri G2?
Can you do a gyrocopter?
Ouch. I’ll have a carbon Cub on tundra tires, please.
Part 103 heli to get the vertical urge out of your system, then back to fixed wing...
Piper Colt, please!
I think of Helicopters as expensive as in Harrison Ford wanting to rent a Huey. "Two million dollars", "No, I only want to rent it." "Two million dollars." "Will you take a company cheque?" A memorable conversation. Now Harriers (AV8) are the way to go but you need to fly every day to be proficient.
Please do a Cabri G2, the R22s biggest competitor
I think the Schweizer 300c/cbi is still it’s biggest competitor unless you would count factory new ones only, the cabri is gaining popularity. And enstrom fills the gaps.
@@kristus20 I'd say it's still a competitor, although I've struggled to find many to do a type rating on in the UK. Here, I'd say the Cabri is now favourable as a training platform, taking over from the R22
Lol, I'd say the R44 is the R22's biggest competitor. The Cabri is just a trainer for timid people who have money to burn.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot when the training costs on the R44 can be almost double the R22? I don't think so..
@@davidpeacock8788 Training doesn't last forever, and when its over you'll be much better off with R44 time than Cabri if you want a career in the States.
Besides, if money is an issue, train in the R22. Its cheaper than the Cabri, plus having time in it lessens the amount of time you'd need in the R44 to be PIC, as well as giving you waaaay more options for that first job.
If Bruno really wants to compete, he needs to build a four seat Cabri and price it close to the R44.
I wonder how a Jetpack does compare.
Pretty much sums up choppers
My favorite description of helicopters, "Helicopters are a collection of miss matched parts flying in loose formation."
What is the $43/hr fuel cost based on in $/gallon. How many gallon/hr in cruise at 90 kts?
8.6 Gal/Hour. $5 Gallons. I explain where I get all these numbers in this video if you are interested. ua-cam.com/video/UFUDx4gPsNA/v-deo.html
@@CompleteWalkaround So, it gets 12 mpg... 90 x 1.15 = 103.5 mph... / 8.6 gal/hr = 12 mpg. A Cessna 172 gets gets around 16 mpg.
It's sad what the ...intense regulatory system has done to the costs of fixed wing aviation, but what it's done to helicopters is just absolutely wild. For these machines that aren't much more complex than a car to cost 400,000 in the most common cases..it just feels so backwards.
They might not be too much more conceptually complex than a car to manufacture, but the cost of failure tends to be significantly higher - a car which suffers from a structural or engine failure doesn't immediately begin a semi-uncontrollable decent from altitude! This is why there is regulation... and you could probably make a reasonable link between the strict regulation of commercial aviation and its favourable safety outcomes at scale, and take some some of those lessons back to the civil aviation world!
Don't disagree it's a pain though, I regularly take an 11 hour road trip instead of a 90 minute commercial flight haha
Oh that's fantastic! Thank you for covering a helicopter! Now do a gyroplane please. 🙂🙏 I hear they have 80% of a helicopters performance at 20% of the cost.
I will do my best, but I can assure you neither of those things are true 🙃
@@CompleteWalkaround Depends on the gyro. Don't just look at the terribly expensive eurotubs. Look at the lighter end too. Much better value.
But the access helicopters grant is a big factor
Yet they do exactly what airplanes do; make lift (the downward flow of an amount of air that weighs +\- the same as the aircraft-fight me) with air foils and a power source with controls for controllable flight.
I remember looking into helicopters, seeing the new-cost and fuel burn of an R22 and thinking, "This is just a 172 with a really big propeller. Why does it cost double to rent?!" Now I know.
It’s a super expensive air gokart that is constantly trying to shake itself apart. Sometimes I wonder why I convinced myself to switch over to rotary.
Waiting for the shark video
Hey mate first! Can you do the aeronca champ (7AC)
I sure can
@@CompleteWalkaround awesome!
now we need a bell 47
Please do an Autogyro! (or Gyroplane?)
These are priced around $150,000-200,000+ here in New Zealand,not that cheap really, for 200K I would rather buy a Shweizer 300 👍🏻
A Robinson Errrr 22
I know of a school in SLC that is about to sell all of their pristine R22s if anyone is interested
Upper limit finally giving up?
@@Fred-rv2tu certainly seems that way. Their last rotor instructor left a few months ago and the owner is prepping the helis for sale/lease
the fact that the first thing that comes to mind is r/catastrophicfailure should tell you something about the safety of these things...
I never liked the Roberson -22’s over price and basic as hell. I mean it’s a 5.2L4cyl carbureted. that makes like 100 hp. And for some reason cost 200,000? Never understood what’s so good about them
They can stop in mid air and land anywhere on a dime.
I didn’t know it was the only helicopter that could do so.
@@mbmann3892 Its the only one that can do those things for an "affordable" price.
I can't take my kid from my backyard to his soccer field in a Baron, so... check and mate. 😁
And that's how you destroy someone dream of owning one. Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣
But they’re so cooooolll
"Yes, Helicopters are cool, we've covered that"
Do a gyrocopter now!
Is there anything similar to piper cub that can take 4-5 passengers
Yup, bearhawkaircraft.com/bearhawk-model-5/
Or a Maule?
I can't think of a Maule that'll seat more than 3 passengers. Doesn't mean there isn't one
@@CompleteWalkaround that's a neat looking kit aircraft! Definitely bookmarking that.
@@CompleteWalkaround thank you sir
As a career, I think they’re cooler but otherwise meh
I'm disappointed that you compared it to the cost of an airplane and not of a shark
#completesharkalong
$150000 every 12 years, fucking hell!!! Plus $36000 on annual inspections during these 12 years
The only logical next video is the R44!
Helicopters!!!
Welp no Helicopter for me
So based
"I am not into helicopters."
Also: "I really like helicopters."
Yep, that's pretty much every fixed wing pilot!
I know I can't afford it so I just keep telling myself I'm not that into it. It's a CHOICE alright? 😅
Helicopters don't fly. They beat the air into submission.
The ground repels them because they are so loud or ugly (depending on helicopter type)
I was told by a helicopter pilot that they don't fly based on lift, but rather are repulsed from the earth by their ugliness.
If a helicopter devoted "all of its energy" to getting in the air, it wouldn't be able to climb higher, or go faster.
- just sayin'
I knew helicopters were more expensive than fixed wings, but oof that's a lot 😳
Ok, now you have to do a Gyrocopter, you know, to be fair to rotorcraft!
Buy a coffin at the same time.
Your life !!!!!😬the cost if you buy a Robinson 😬😬flying a helicopter is a controlled crash 😳🤫🤫