I got my private single engine VFR in 1976, it cost me a little under $2,000. Using a Cessna 150 ($15 / hr. ). The instructor was $12 / hr. A 172 was $22 / hr. A Ramco champ (Old cloth wing, tail dragger) cost was only $12 / hr. I learn how to fly a T-34 Beechcraft (old Navy trainer, retractable, variable pitch prop, around 220 knots) at $40 / hr. I was 16 at the time just working in a restaurant bussing tables. It took me close to a year to get my VFR.
I know nothing about helicopters and you couldn't pay me to ever fly in one but the engineering to make one fly is amazing and your presentation was to the point and gave me a great appreciation on the subject, thanks !!
@@MajorCaliber Ha! When I began flying, 1986, the Bell 206 was the trainer. Not as many opportunities in my area to train in turbine aircraft. Many R44's around here for training
Great video, just a few things you forgot to mention is that with Robinson, it’s 2200hrs OR 12 years. Meaning you can buy new. Fly 100 hours over 12 years and now your basically brand new helicopter needs a complete overhaul. And that any $60000 R22 will either be timed out or nearly timed out. That said you are right in that it is still the cheapest certified helicopter. Cheers man stay safe
First, I love watching your videos. Hamburger in a helicopter. Retiring school resource officer... in a helicopter. Cruising for a bruising... in a helicopter. Pretty cool. Depending on where you are, time-building can be challenging. Often a lifestyle change (that means "pack your stuff up and move") is more economical and easier than purchasing a helicopter. But hey. I love your videos. They remind me of a dream I once had. Keep living the dream! Ehud FAA Commercial pilot - rotorcraft Tucson, Arizona (Yes, in the summer DA is 5000-7000ft)
I fly a R22 in Australia and muster cattle with it at a property in the Northern Territory only thing with the Robinson design is in certain circumstances you can cause a negative G mast bump and cut your tail boom off with the main rotor blades a pilot a few years ago did this at the station I work on did this while mustering and didn’t make it
@@Paradoxical124 with insurance inspections ,fuel,parts etc it’s about $620 Aussie dollars a hr as they are getting old we have 9 R22’s and 4 R44’s and a new R66 which has turbine engine
I think the proper definition would have been ‘it’s a sandbar’. Years when I flew out of Creve Couer and Spirit, a bunch of the Cub pilots used to fly the Missouri and land on the sandbars.
Easily get there on that particular sandbar with a Supercub and many other airplanes. That being said, I appreciate your video. I'm interested in adding a rotorwing aircraft and license to my fleet and certificates.
So... at current prices for trucks, cars, SUV's... the 60k-100k range is normal/reasonable. Then maintenance,cost per ownership year... VERY reasonable especially if you're getting work returns commercially or even privately. Thanks for the share!
One such thing interesting to make a note “view” . Glad you got one for yourself & Appreciate your work to inspire to have one though.God bless you 😇🙏🏻
Over the years, I’ve had the opportunity to shoot video and still photography from the R22, Hughes 300 and Bell 47. I loved them all, particularly the Bell. But then as a fixed wing pilot I’m enamored with anything that flies, regardless of whether the wings are fixed or spin. What types of commercial work do you do?
I spent maybe around $80-90,000 getting all of my helicopter ratings up to CFII. I get paid to build my flight time as a flight instructor. There will never be cheaper nor faster way of building flight time in a helicopter. But I have to admit, your method does seem like a ton of fun!
In Europe and in the UK prices are higher to own one of them. And R22 takes just one passenger so they are great for training but not much for commercial use. Then you need the R44 that costs more. I also considered buying one but I find Porsches more fun still and more usable fun.
I am just a private pilot fixed wing. Cessna 150 then 172 currently 182 . I would more than likely kill myself in a helicopter, they are too unforgiving when mistakes are made. But my hats off to you and your Helicopter fly high Sir
Thank you for posting and kudos to you for trusting such thin tubing. It obviously works given how many are out there, but as a Bell Medium guy, you'd never convince me to ride in one. Regardless, respect to "one of us"!❤
Don't forget about composite-fx/mosquitos! They are FAA regulated helicopters. Only caveat is that they only seat one person. Cool people, made in Trenton, Florida!
I wanted to learn here in the uk prices are much higher and not doable for me unless i sold my house and lived in the heli lol. Had a trial lesson though and loved it. But in reality i get my kicks from motorcycles, embt and drone racing and enjoy life. If i ever come into serious money though i know id be getting into a heli.
If I understand your reference to depreciation of $63/hr, do you mean after 2200 hours (the TBO? or airframe useful life?) it costs $138K to go through the bird and zero the time? A little googling I did says you can reman the motor and go through the rest of the bird... replace rotor blades, etc. and keep it airworthy... so is that ~$138K?
I owned one of the early R22s when they cost $90k plus and you flew it home from California. Insurance was $10k per year with a $10k deductible. I learned in a Bell47d, a very stable platform. The R22 is much harder to fly and much harder to do autorotations in. Little boys, little toys. It was fun when I was doing it but you aren’t going far in an R22. Nice video.
Private pilot with about ~80ish hours in Robinsons (mix of 22 and 44 but mostly 22 time). Thanks for the breakdown, looks more or less close to what I have been seeing here in NC. Rather than going with a 22 I am considering buying a 44 and renting it to our school so it makes some money while I am not flying it and it doubles as a time builder for when I am. I love flying the 22, it's what I usually fly due to how cheap it is per hour compared to the 44 but I would love to buy a used 44 and see if I can get to 1000 hours with it without breaking the bank. How many hours do you have left on that R22 before it needs a major overhaul? Just curious. It's a sweet bird and looks in mint condition. Cheers from Raleigh, NC!
Without getting too personal, are you independently wealthy? I'm 50 and recently took a check ride in a 22. I was planning on doing the same.thing and getting my private pilots license. It was fun and I would love to do it and could justify the costof getting my license, but I'm prob too old to try it to make a career out of it and the cost Is prohibitive to get the recommended hours before any company would hire you. You have youth on your side.... .My son wants to fly helos, so he is going to go to college thru ROTC and try to go thru Army Avation route. Good luck and happy flying. At least we can live vicariously thru you😅
But the most important question is how nicely did you have to ask lot owners to be able to land on their properties to go get food and stuff with it?? That’d probably be the hardest part for me tbh cause I feel like everyone would tell me no and I’d just be flying around looking at things then just going home lol I don’t think I could make a good run in one 😂😂
Thankyou for the video. I am more interested on how to get the turbine certification process. Plus, is there any difference in certification for a single turbine engine (R66) v/s a twin Turbine engine (Bell 429)and others like them.
That's not an issue, Mostly insurance requirements Certificate is good for everything rotary wing under 12,500 lbs . . . Piston or Turbine , Single or Twin - US No type rating , Some countries require a rating in each type ie: R-22, R-22 Standard, R-22 Hp, R-22 Alpha, R-22 Beta and Mariner . US you can fly all of them, In Japan you'll need a type rating in each,
I took lessons out of St. Charles Flying School when I was a teenager. Never finished when the money ran out, but was right at the solo point. I wish I could have continued. I guess at 55 now it’s never too late. Maybe…
It's actually a lot cheaper than i thought tbh. Pretty cool that it's possible to do this if you're motivated and interested enough. Price of watching Matty do it on UA-cam: free. 😎
I got my private single engine VFR in 1976, it cost me a little under $2,000. Using a Cessna 150 ($15 / hr. ). The instructor was $12 / hr.
A 172 was $22 / hr.
A Ramco champ (Old cloth wing, tail dragger) cost was only $12 / hr.
I learn how to fly a T-34 Beechcraft (old Navy trainer, retractable, variable pitch prop, around 220 knots)
at $40 / hr.
I was 16 at the time just working in a restaurant bussing tables. It took me close to a year to get my VFR.
I know nothing about helicopters and you couldn't pay me to ever fly in one but the engineering to make one fly is amazing and your presentation was to the point and gave me a great appreciation on the subject, thanks !!
I'm a retired Army 64 pilot. Flown thousands of hours and didn't die once!
Yup, you know nothing about flying.
I just found your channel. This is so cool! I appreciate all that you are explaining to us. 🚁
Im so glad i was directed to your channel a few months ago. Enjoy both you and your content. Thanks.
Looks fun! Reminds me a little of flying my ultralight back in the day. Fly safe
Enjoyed watching video. From one Robinson owner to the other. Be careful and always respect the helicopter. Fly safe and enjoy!
Friends don't let friends fly Robinsons! #SafetyRecord #GetA_Bo105
@@MajorCaliber Ha! When I began flying, 1986, the Bell 206 was the trainer. Not as many opportunities in my area to train in turbine aircraft. Many R44's around here for training
49% of all accidents and 54% of fatal helicopter accudents. Some organisations will not allow staff to fly in robinson
Great video, just a few things you forgot to mention is that with Robinson, it’s 2200hrs OR 12 years. Meaning you can buy new. Fly 100 hours over 12 years and now your basically brand new helicopter needs a complete overhaul. And that any $60000 R22 will either be timed out or nearly timed out. That said you are right in that it is still the cheapest certified helicopter. Cheers man stay safe
Thanks for sharing! Very interesting!
Glad you enjoyed!
First, I love watching your videos. Hamburger in a helicopter. Retiring school resource officer... in a helicopter. Cruising for a bruising... in a helicopter. Pretty cool.
Depending on where you are, time-building can be challenging. Often a lifestyle change (that means "pack your stuff up and move") is more economical and easier than purchasing a helicopter.
But hey. I love your videos. They remind me of a dream I once had. Keep living the dream!
Ehud
FAA Commercial pilot - rotorcraft
Tucson, Arizona
(Yes, in the summer DA is 5000-7000ft)
"I'm on an island that's surrounded by.... water"
Yep, that's an island! :)
Wow! That is some serious dough. I think I'll just stick to my skateboard. Thank you so much for the excellent information. Have fun and be safe.
Looks like fun and it's an expensive venture, totally enjoyable video, thank you!
I fly a R22 in Australia and muster cattle with it at a property in the Northern Territory only thing with the Robinson design is in certain circumstances you can cause a negative G mast bump and cut your tail boom off with the main rotor blades a pilot a few years ago did this at the station I work on did this while mustering and didn’t make it
How much does that cost you to operate hourly?
@@Paradoxical124 with insurance inspections ,fuel,parts etc it’s about $620 Aussie dollars a hr as they are getting old we have 9 R22’s and 4 R44’s and a new R66 which has turbine engine
@@mrbigw100 I’m Australian too, and I am looking into using something like a small Robinson for personal use. Thanks for the insight!
"I'm on an island surrounded by water"
Isn't that kinda the definition of an island? 😆
That's like "worlds smallest in the world" haha
You could be in Iceland and be on an island surrounded by lava 😮
I think the proper definition would have been ‘it’s a sandbar’. Years when I flew out of Creve Couer and Spirit, a bunch of the Cub pilots used to fly the Missouri and land on the sandbars.
Easily get there on that particular sandbar with a Supercub and many other airplanes. That being said, I appreciate your video. I'm interested in adding a rotorwing aircraft and license to my fleet and certificates.
So... at current prices for trucks, cars, SUV's... the 60k-100k range is normal/reasonable. Then maintenance,cost per ownership year... VERY reasonable especially if you're getting work returns commercially or even privately. Thanks for the share!
New Sub! I took a Ride in a R22 years ago. SUPER FUN and COOL! And it ain't cheap....
One such thing interesting to make a note “view” . Glad you got one for yourself & Appreciate your work to inspire to have one though.God bless you 😇🙏🏻
Over the years, I’ve had the opportunity to shoot video and still photography from the R22, Hughes 300 and Bell 47. I loved them all, particularly the Bell. But then as a fixed wing pilot I’m enamored with anything that flies, regardless of whether the wings are fixed or spin. What types of commercial work do you do?
Nicely done. Thank you!
I spent maybe around $80-90,000 getting all of my helicopter ratings up to CFII. I get paid to build my flight time as a flight instructor. There will never be cheaper nor faster way of building flight time in a helicopter. But I have to admit, your method does seem like a ton of fun!
been here since 10k im pretty sure. love the videos man
Amazing video matt would love to see more videos from you
You could also get there with a STOL aircraft and paramotors, both of which are cheaper.
I could absolutely plant my bone stock Cessna 150 on that sand bar lol
Good luck taking off though.
And there it would stay forever.
In Europe and in the UK prices are higher to own one of them. And R22 takes just one passenger so they are great for training but not much for commercial use. Then you need the R44 that costs more. I also considered buying one but I find Porsches more fun still and more usable fun.
This is a great video. No BS.
My sister worked at Robinson in Torrance for years.
Some of the testing they did was crazy for the FAA
Excellent video. Thanks
Great video - thank you!
When you land outside your hangar, does it roll or do you have a dolly to move it in?
Just love the sound of those rotor blades...!!!!!
I am just a private pilot fixed wing. Cessna 150 then 172 currently 182 . I would more than likely kill myself in a helicopter, they are too unforgiving when mistakes are made. But my hats off to you and your Helicopter fly high Sir
do you fear mast bump in this whirlybird?
Robinsons always have "surprise" costs.
You could also land and take off there in a bush plane😉
Thank you for posting and kudos to you for trusting such thin tubing.
It obviously works given how many are out there, but as a Bell Medium guy, you'd never convince me to ride in one.
Regardless, respect to "one of us"!❤
Don't forget about composite-fx/mosquitos! They are FAA regulated helicopters. Only caveat is that they only seat one person. Cool people, made in Trenton, Florida!
short and to the point. i like it
Yep....your on an island.....hope you don't break down or have any maintenance issues!
What you call “depreciation” is really an hourly estimate of routine maintenance, if I’m not mistaken.
how much communication with atc do you need if you take off from your house and land at some random place like an island like you showed?
I wanted to learn here in the uk prices are much higher and not doable for me unless i sold my house and lived in the heli lol.
Had a trial lesson though and loved it.
But in reality i get my kicks from motorcycles, embt and drone racing and enjoy life.
If i ever come into serious money though i know id be getting into a heli.
"Only a helicopter can land here" Mike patey takes note and accepts the challenge lol
Yeah, I was thinking that there are lots of bush planes that could stick that landing.
Nice numbers videos!
Good video! Keep up the work
Thanks Ducky!
How do you move the helicopter to the hanger?. I assume you can't just lift it.
Great video! Do you fly other types?
As small as the helicopter is, it's still a lot of money
That's a rich man's game. But it looks like a tone of fun.
Goid sibg working 9 too 5 working day nit Gering any ware
The helicopter is man's most God-like invention.
Next to his Mate. 😂
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Sir, how do I migrate to India? I currently live in Australia - I would like to come somewhere nice.
I want to visit Hyderabad looks like an amazing place and I love biryani.
If I understand your reference to depreciation of $63/hr, do you mean after 2200 hours (the TBO? or airframe useful life?) it costs $138K to go through the bird and zero the time? A little googling I did says you can reman the motor and go through the rest of the bird... replace rotor blades, etc. and keep it airworthy... so is that ~$138K?
Great video thanks bro
Can you put a parachute on it?
This is one of the most interesting and informative video I've seen for a good while. Way, way out of my price range, unfortunately.
Great video!
Thanks Brad!
Never owned a 'copter but owned a Cessna Cardinal RG and can confidently say that whatever you think an airplane will cost, it is more.
Keep up the great work i love your videos
I fly fixed-wing out of your airport. Cool videos!
Same lol. Met him once, super friendly.
Thank you for sharing
I fly a tiny Cessna fixed wing. when I was a kid, I dreamed of flying a Helicopter, but as an adult, vortex ring state scares the hell out of me.
Getting a helicopter license here in the Netherlands is a minimum of 40k (6 months, 45 h min)
Did you complete your fixed wing first ?
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I owned one of the early R22s when they cost $90k plus and you flew it home from California. Insurance was $10k per year with a $10k deductible. I learned in a Bell47d, a very stable platform. The R22 is much harder to fly and much harder to do autorotations in. Little boys, little toys. It was fun when I was doing it but you aren’t going far in an R22. Nice video.
30% BMI boomer detected 😂
@@meow121.5 meow
Way cheaper then I was expecting, I thought training costed way more. I’m looking to get my private airplane licence for fun, in Canada
Halicopter paylaşım için teşekkürler efendim 🎁🙋🌹
Yeah, this was my starter helicopter to get my private license too. It's a handful.
very intersting thanks
Private pilot with about ~80ish hours in Robinsons (mix of 22 and 44 but mostly 22 time). Thanks for the breakdown, looks more or less close to what I have been seeing here in NC. Rather than going with a 22 I am considering buying a 44 and renting it to our school so it makes some money while I am not flying it and it doubles as a time builder for when I am. I love flying the 22, it's what I usually fly due to how cheap it is per hour compared to the 44 but I would love to buy a used 44 and see if I can get to 1000 hours with it without breaking the bank.
How many hours do you have left on that R22 before it needs a major overhaul? Just curious. It's a sweet bird and looks in mint condition. Cheers from Raleigh, NC!
I know of a few! Message me on Instagram!
Without getting too personal, are you independently wealthy? I'm 50 and recently took a check ride in a 22. I was planning on doing the same.thing and getting my private pilots license. It was fun and I would love to do it and could justify the costof getting my license, but I'm prob too old to try it to make a career out of it and the cost Is prohibitive to get the recommended hours before any company would hire you.
You have youth on your side.... .My son wants to fly helos, so he is going to go to college thru ROTC and try to go thru Army Avation route. Good luck and happy flying. At least we can live vicariously thru you😅
@2:46 i do this for my cars too.
Like i could buy car X, but it will cost me 0.60$/mi vs another car that is at 0.05$/mi
Everything you need to get a pizza or see a movie! 😂
did not realize how expensive insurance was, how often do you have to renew your license, is it yearly?
Insurance is really expensive! I renew my pilots license every 2 years(Bi-annual flight review).
isnt that expensive, i was paying 500ish for a car monthly , so i take 750 for a helicopter any day!
@@bladi-senpai9398500 monthly for a car? I pay 480 a year in the best possible insurance plan, love small cars haha
What is the practical flight time / range in miles for this helicopter? How high do you fly in this helicopter?
Cool dude .
You can absolutely land a paramotor on that little island.
Landing is half of it....can you get back in the air. Sand is risky.
Kobe pilot learned how to fly on the R22
A 60,000 R22 would have run out times LOL
do they offer Turbine power-plant on these?
But the most important question is how nicely did you have to ask lot owners to be able to land on their properties to go get food and stuff with it?? That’d probably be the hardest part for me tbh cause I feel like everyone would tell me no and I’d just be flying around looking at things then just going home lol I don’t think I could make a good run in one 😂😂
Thankyou for the video. I am more interested on how to get the turbine certification process. Plus, is there any difference in certification for a single turbine engine (R66) v/s a twin Turbine engine (Bell 429)and others like them.
That's not an issue, Mostly insurance requirements
Certificate is good for everything rotary wing under 12,500 lbs . . . Piston or Turbine , Single or Twin - US
No type rating , Some countries require a rating in each type ie: R-22, R-22 Standard, R-22 Hp, R-22 Alpha, R-22 Beta and Mariner . US you can fly all of them, In Japan you'll need a type rating in each,
@@user-jq2rf4nf3o thankyou
The more engines you have the more gas you burn the more complex maintenance and service is.
@@RowanHawkins Oh im sure it is. I was just wondering if you needed an additional certification to fly with two turbines rather than with one
No interest in helicopters but this was really interesting, safe flying / hovering 😊
How about the Hughes 269 or Schweizer 300, those seem smaller than the R22.
Both are bigger(I believe)
The R22 and R44 have documented issues with delamination of the rotors. What is your opinion/thoughts on that?
The stainless skinned blades were problematic - They were phased out , Never had an issue with the ones I flew.
@@user-jq2rf4nf3o Appreciate the reply. Retired mil pilot, safe flying. Cheers.
Ole Crew Chief OH 58, UH 1 CH 47
and Commercial Helicopter / 133
Flew nearly everything under 12,500 lb@@scottyscave
i love ur vids
Why didn’t you get your instructors certification to help build hours? That is what I have seen to be the most common path for commercial pilots.
New sub ❤
If you have a ppl for plane is helicopter something I can add like an endorsement or rating ?
You can add a helicopter to your ppl, but it is not enough endorsement
How much money does it cost to be trained as an helicopter pilot please.
I took lessons out of St. Charles Flying School when I was a teenager. Never finished when the money ran out, but was right at the solo point. I wish I could have continued. I guess at 55 now it’s never too late. Maybe…
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Interesting!
Brantley B2 or B2B is smaller and you can buy one for $45,000 with spares
I learned with a r22 i have a bo 105 now.
What is its range?
Nice vid! But how on earth do you go from $50k to $350 with an R22?
Why is less anti torque input needed, when a helicopter achieves translational lift?
Tail rotor?
It's actually a lot cheaper than i thought tbh. Pretty cool that it's possible to do this if you're motivated and interested enough.
Price of watching Matty do it on UA-cam: free. 😎
Cool 👍