Christopher Ward - The Twelve: Inspired by… yet still very cool….
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- Christopher Ward launched their own take on the integrated bracelet sports watch wit "The Twelve". This is a super exciting release not only because these watches are all the rage but also because there are so many emotions connected to how people view these watches in terms of originality and sources of inspiration.
A lot of CW watches have homage-esque designs, but they have never been full on copies. Adding their own personal interpretation on iconic designs. Same goes for this watch. That’s not a bad thing though if you still show some originality.
CW are open about their nods to Genta and his designs. The question is? Is it any good? That's what I talk about in this video
Hope you enjoy!
Cheers
To my eyes, it’s an exact counterfeit of the Czapek Antarctique Passage de Drake. So nothing to be happy and excited about.
Hi Steven,
Adrian Buchmann was head of design at Christopher Ward for eight years and was part of the team that designed the twelve.
Adrian is also credited directly by Czapek as a key contributor to the design of the antartique.
In parallel with his work at CW he also started a design studio called Fuzion, which is a company that Czapek partnered with to create the antartique - specifically the dial is what they had a hand in, as I understand it.
So to the extent that Genta made a counterfeit copy of the royal oak when he designed the ingenieur, then I suppose you could say Adrian copied himself when he used his design style on two different watches that he both worked on. After all - most of Picassos paintings all look like Picasso paintings....
Cheers 😀
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Thanks for the insight! I’m going to cancel my order for Czapek Antarctique Passage de Drake S which I have been waiting for more than 15 months.
@@stevenlui8105NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....
Ha HA! God no. Don't do that 😂😂😂😂😂😂
If I could afford a Czapek, and that Czapek specifically I would definitely have it over the CW. No doubt that it will be an even more luxurious experience, better built etc.
But they do have a lot of shared blood in and among the designers those two watches. No getting around it.....
Don't take advice from youtubers dude.... 😂😂
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch TBH I’m just pissed off by the similarities of the two watches, the dial pattern in particular. I would never pay a deposit if I knew the existence of CW!
I totally get it. Especially when there is such a price disparity. At the top end you are paying for some level of design-exclusivity and then the designer goes out and makes a budget version of his design.
I've never come across your channel before, and I would like to take the time to thank you for your masterful analysis. Your review is on another level to the typical watch review. You create a compelling rationale which I largely agreed with. I like the watch; I think CW have done good things here. Your review has only served to cement my own thought process.
Wow. Thanks for the glowing feedback. It's really appreciated. I'll try to keep it up.
And yeah - my goal is to provide perspective so people can make up their own minds. Glad I contributed and thanks for contributing to you as well 😀😀😀
Agreed. Was very impressed.
What an insightful take. And it's more impressive considering the fact that you did it without even having the watch in your possession. Watched all of the reviews on this watch and this is by far the best one.
Thanks for the feedback. It's HUGELY appreciated.
For the most part I try to review based on watches that I have had in hand - bought, borrowed or tried at an AD. No such luck with CW that has no Brick and Mortar store.
When I don't have a watch it in hand I try my best to avoid speaking too in depth about wearing experience / sizing etc. because something just happens when you put something on compared to seeing it online. In stead I try to stick to the things that I can say with reasonable confidence based on the material available.
Thanks a ton for watching and contributing! See you around again I hope 😀👍👍👍
I'll admit it. I'm not a "watch guy". Just a casual admirer. I wanted a nice integrated bracelet watch that wasn't massive on my wrist and I really like those I saw at the $15,000+ range but there was no way I could justify buying something like that.
The CW Twelve is a gorgeous watch. It brings some luxury to people who want to spend less and I don't see anything wrong with that. The fact that it is so heavily compared to more expensive watches says a lot of about the case quality in my eyes.
CW has done a reallly good job and modern manufacturing has really closed the gap to the high end brands 😀😀
Thanks for sharing 👍
Well made video! It's shocking that there's no comments yet 🤯
Thanks a ton! The comments have shown up now - was nervous there for a moment 🤦♂️😀👍👍👍
Two words: GREAT reviews! One of the few watches channels that deserve to be at the top!
Thanks a ton. Really appreciated 😀😀😀
Hi, this watch review and analysis is probably done like some of the best reviews I've seen by some of my favourite watch journalists. I am happy to share a lot of your thoughts, but am also quite educated with some of your other points. It is so true that many watches will share features of a winning design, but that is because the watches that doesn't have these winning features, most of us will not even take a second look at. Look at the Tissot PRX, it is so loved that it is now within the top 20 watch companies in 2022, and you can't deny it is love of integrated bracelets by everyone that helped them achieve this, so there is wisdom in companies learning from winning formulae. I own a CW C60 GMT Anthropocene and I feel it is as well made as my Rolex & Tudor, am a big fan long before the Bel Canto. Thank you again for this great video, hope you do more like it!
Thanks for taking the time to give me some feedback (and chuffed that it was positive). It's hugely appreciated.
I'll do my best to keep it up 😀😀😀
A very well considered and interesting review that deserves to be recognised.
Thanks a ton 👍😀
Found your channel from this video of CW which I’ve been considering/researching for the last few days. This video among the rest of channel contains very thoughtful and well crafted analysis. Your channel overall is way underrated!
Thanks a ton for the feedback. It’s not just appreciated but it also motivates me to keep going and to improve. Thanks a ton 💪🤜😀
Cheers 😀
Great video. Thank you. Can’t wait to see it in person and on wrist.
Order now and there's only a six month wait (for some models). They've got a hit on their hands 😀😀😀
I've watched countless reviews of this watch. This by far the best. I subscribed. Thank you!
Wow, thanks! Really glad you found it useful 😀😀😀
Huge kudos for an excellent review 👏.Just the right amount of Deep, Compelling and Articulate Reflections about something as simple, yet complex - technically as well as emotionally as a wristwatch. Challenging the Best!
Thanks a ton. That's really appreciated and glad you enjoyed it!! 😃😃😃
This was a great video! Very well considered and balanced opinions...
Now... straight from here to buy that Astral Blue Ti version 😮
Glad you enjoyed it!!!
Think they're sold out, but you can still preorder 😂😂😀
First time I’ve come across your channel, that was an incredible review. Subscribed!
Awesome, thank you! 😀😀😀
Hello Mike. I am a regular viewer of your content and like your no-nonsense approach to critiquing watches. This video was in the same vein and I very much appreciate it.
CW has been on my radar for some time now but I just haven't pulled the trigger. It's just because if I find even one thing missing, or one thing I don't like in a watch, I don't go for it. My watch has to be perfect. In the case of the Twelve, it would have been an instant buy for me if the case was made of grade 5 titanium instead of grade 2. It might have pushed costs up, but high enough to discourage potential buyers (?)...I am not sure of that.
A humble suggestion to CW, if they read comments on their releases, is to launch the Twelve in a Grade 5 case (they can keep the grade 2 for the bracelet to keep down the cost, like they did with the Bel-canto). This would ensure the longevity of the polished surfaces of the case. And a Glacier Blue option in this would be amazing...it's my favorite color by far😊.
Thanks for the content, keep it coming 👍👌
Thanks a ton. Glad you like my content and keep coming back for more.
A thought about grade 5 vs grade 2. Grade 5 is harder and corrodes less easily. In manufacturing it's for more industrial grade applications. Grade 2 is used in doors linings on cars to stiffen the door. Grade 5 is used as a bone implant (we don't want something rusting in our bodies 😂).
In watches you'll see a seamaster 300m (the bond) in grade 2 but a planet ocean in grade 5. Overall the grade in itself is more expensive but it's mainly down to the tooling and machining expenses to work on this tougher material.
On the other hand grade 2 is more malleable so you can twist it and get more curves that you can't with 5. There's also a small colour shift between the two alloys.
Long story short - Grade 5 isn't necessarily better. For the specific use case it might be preferable (deep diving, ultra hard wearing). I wouldn't see it as a must have in a watch that wasn't a full on dive watch like the CW (and it's still going to be harder than steel).
Just a thought... 😀😀
wow....what a review...what a wordsmith....really enjoyed your critique...also think CW have really nailed it with this one
Wow. The praise. I'm blushing 😂 Glad you enjoy my approach and thanks for contributing 😀
Impressive and thoughtful appraisal, a one man Hodinkee, very useful video, thanks.
Thanks, I think.... Hodinkee gets a lot of hate these days 😂😂
Fantastic video. Rational. To the point. Fair. Huge thumbs up!
Thanks! Massively appreciated 😀😀😀
As mentioned on one of your other videos,CW is a brand that I find interesting and looking to purchase down the raod. Some of the earlier marks appeal to me,but I'm like you....the dial is the palette that appeals to me.
Garmin for the longest time. Don't have a bike computer anymore. Running is more me at the mo... Bikes and Watches are way too expensive to have both hobbies 😃😃
With the volume of individual watch designs throughout history, it would be extremely difficult to produce a completely unique watch in every detail. This is a great review and calmly reflects my own thoughts. I love watches and want to buy a ‘Twelve’, which with my financial commitments, is at the top end of what I’m prepared to pay for a watch. Many thanks, I’ve subscribed 🙏
Thanks a ton for the sub. Glad to have you onboard 😃😃
Do you also know yema wristmaster? Also expensive but there is a version with micro rotor
Ah! You found my CW video. Glad you liked it. I know the Yema but have never had the specific model in hand. They do generally make some really cool watches.
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I have been looking for an integrated bracelet alternative to the PRX and I think I found one thanks you you 😎
Great insights, really clear and to the point this is brilliant content!
Thanks. Glad you found it useful 😀😀😀
Another epic and very passionate breakdown. Hoping to hear you one day on a Scottish watches podcast or a live stream with someone like ID Guy.
I can only dream.... 😂😂😂
Thanks for your very enjoyable and interesting review.
And thanks for watching!!! 😀👍
I own this watch, and have seen lots of chat about it. Your video said all the things i had been thinking but couldnt quite make sense of. Cheers
Glad it helped you out. My goal is not to get people to agree with me necessarily but provide a perspective that they find useful.
and cheers to you too!😀😀😀
Really appreciate your style of videos with sincere, well thought monologue and quite directly addressing topic. Subscribed 🫡.
Awesome, thank you! Glad you like my approach and appreciate the support 😀😀😀
Just found your channel today. Subscribed, from Ireland
Thanks a bunch! 😀😀
Got the CW C65 Dune GMT LTD Edition the other week. All my other Big Boy watches have just been on there watch winders collecting dust!
Right now my most worn watch for 2023 is a Seiko (SPB143). Price does not define what you click with.... Once you get over that "more expensive = happier with purchase" hump your watch enjoyment goes through the roof! Case in point CW C65 Dune.... 😀😀😀😀
Very nice work.. thank you!
Frank in Colorado
Appreciated 😀
Nice video! Can't wait for my blue titanium model to arrive in late May!
THX! 😃😃
Lucky you. Be sure to come back and let me know how you feel about it after having it for a while 👍😃
great review with substantial explanation why this watch is good and worth it
Glad it was helpful! 😀
My blue dial titanium is arriving in a week or so. I don't think you mentioned the Czapek Antartique, which I have been flirting with as a purchase for some time (it is definitely at the high end of my usual budget!) and to some extent I see the 12 as a tester for this style of watch. Plus I have admired the bright blue and green fume dials on the Oris Aquis but not really the watch itself, so the bright blue fume dial can scratch that itch as well! Overall I see it as something interesting, fun and real value for money- so why not?
how is it arriving when it says november 2023? unless you got the first batch shipped and its all sold out then everyone else gotta wait for the next batch that arrives in november? only conclusion i can come up with.
@KB MX i placed order two weeks ago and mine will be delivered first week of June
@@SupremeNamelessOne I ordered the day of launch, halfway through the first review I watched. Yes, as I checked back subsequently, it moved to June then after some days November. Clearly it's selling like hot cakes!
CW have done something really cool with this watch.
Incidentally - The head of design at CW (Adrian Buchmann) for eight years while the 12 was being designed is also owner of design studio Fuzion which is the studio creditted with coming up with the antartique for Czapek. If you like the one - there's a reason you'll likely like the other.
The 12 is a looker for sure 😀😀
Really enjoyed your review! I will be keeping my eye on this watch. Hoping CW offers a light dial for the Ti variant in the future
Thanks, glad you liked it 😀😀
Fantastically detailed,interesting and insightful review. I enjoy CW watches and this review has peaked my interest in the 12.
Glad you enjoyed the review. CW are doing some fun stuff for sure 👍😃
Comments? No, I actually agree with your statements. In fact, I’m really looking forward to my titanium CW Twelve. It will be my first from this brand and I guess that I will see some differences with my Omega’s and Grand Seiko. But it will be a brilliant daily driver which the other watches are less suitable for. Great review
Thanks - Glad you enjoyed my take on the watch and thanks for taking the time to contribute. It means a ton. 👍👍👍
One thing I can’t quite figure out for a watch like this is sizing when the 40 and 36mm exist. I have a 7” wrist which can typically wear smaller or larger watches and my personal preference for retro style watches is for them to run smaller while the more modern a little larger. This looks more modern overall but has elements that pay homage to more classic watches I would want to run a little smaller… and with how busy it is it might be downplayed/more subtle appearing on a smaller watch… the joys of speculating about a watch you can’t get your hands on in person are certainly noted and I think I’m convincing myself to get a 36 😂. Also love your very even handed and logical approach /opinions on this channel. Keep it up!
Very well reviewed. At first look I didn’t like the crown guards which look like afterthoughts. But the rest of the watch is so well done that I’m leaning toward a purchase. White or glacier blue?
Tough choice. Personall: Glacier, I think. Interesting, but not over the top 😃😃😃
Profound Analytics. Comprehensive Review.
Thanks. Glad you found it useful 😀
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch you kind of found the perfect words to _describe_ precisely what I _felt_ about this watch but could not express.
I bought one of these the day it launched but returned it because, like most integrated bracelets, it lacked on-the-fly microadjust. But CW fixed this when they launched the skeletonized Twelve X in titanium exactly a year later. The integrated bracelet for the Twelve X has a clever pair of snap-out extensions built in.
GOOD NEWS however. I just ordered a Twelve Titanium watch on a rubber strap and added a separate Twelve X titanium bracelet with microadjust (at the same price as the Ti bracelet with no microadjust). Viola --an upgraded CW Twelve!
As somebody wanting their first automatic watch, I don't want a PRX as they're so common, and I don't want an Orient due to price (silly I know). I have around £1,000 to spend and this is the watch I think I've settled on. This review has been really helpful. Would love to see you get your hands on it.
Good choice 😀
The PRX is cool but you do see quite a few of them around by now. That's for sure.
You just may see me get my hands on it. I put the order down the other day, and now the waiting starts... (but it'll be here a lot faster than a Rolex would. So there's that).
Thanks for taking the time to contribute! 😀
I have a trident 300.. Love it after nearly a year.
Frank in Colorado
I don’t understand for integrated bracelet, why watch makers put chamfer on the outer side of bracelet instead of on the inner side which touches skin. Only few makers put chamfer to the skin-touching side to make watch wear more comfortable.
Really good question.
My guess? Cost.
Those extra chamfers, rounded edges etc all add to material costs and tooling costs and whatever is going on on the underside of the watch doesn't get that much attention in press etc..
Slab sided cases have the same issue sometimes. So they save money, cut a corner here or there and the watch still looks good on the wrist and in photos.
See you around (in the comments) 😀👍
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatchThat is really true. The chamfer on out side of bracelet will follow chamfer profile on the case edge. If luxury brands don’t do inner side, the small brands will have no reason to spend extra to do it. I have only seen Monta and Straum adding chamfer to the skin-touching side of bracelet.
it s a hit, it s gonna stay;; I love it, your review is great
Agree! and THANKS! 😀😀
A superb and automotive, well reasoned review. I agree that the dial is a little busy with the recurring flag logo. I bought a blue 39mm C63 Sealander on a bracelet a few months ago. It spends more time on my wrist than my Omegas. I never feel short changed, asides from power reserve. I was seriously considering a Tudor Ranger recently, I tried one on but it felt inferior to the C63 I was wearing.
Thanks!
And to my point. Higher price does not guarantee higher happines or wearing "joy". Case in point - You do get a lot of watch from CW in this and other models.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts 😀😀
I didn't know you and I agree with your analisys, I tried a zenith defy 36 (amazing but too pricey) and Maurice lacroix aikon and decided then to try a cw twelve. I have a 6 inch wrist so still has to try if can be good. I really love the bezel and the dial so ordered one to try
Glad you liked my vid.
That's the cool thing with CW. You can order, try and return if you're not happy with it. I'm sure you will be though.
Thanks for sharing 😀😀😀😀
On top of all the things that you have mentioned, it's also a 10 ATM WR watch!
True. That's also a plus. No 3ATM here.... 😀😀
Sick review, thanks meng!
You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it 😀😀😀
Great video
Thanks for the feedback - Appreciated 😀😀😀
Trying to decide between the 12. titanium and the Zenith Defy Skyline. I like this dial better but I think the bracelet is better on the Zenith. Thoughts?
Good question. TBH - The Zenith is better technically in so many ways. The finishing is a notch up, the dial and most definitely the movement. Is it as much better as the price is higher? Not at all.
The skyline, I prefer in 36mm. The left side seconds dial is not my cup of tea. Personally I would (and have) gone for the CW, but you have to decide for yourself...
Thanks Mike. I think ultimately I want the look of the bracelet and the fat bezel and will probably go for the Zenith even though I think the Wards dial is more interesting.
Agreed! ❤️👍🏾 (and now subscribed)
thanks! Aprreciated hugely. 😀😀
I agree-and I’m tempted! CW is making what watch lovers want yet watch snobs are crying it’s too derivative. Most people aren’t able or willing to buy a RO or Czapek and CW knows this. CW will sell a buttload of them 😎! Best regards
When an online only, direct to consumer, Sellita using brand have a six month wait list for a watch - then you have hit on your hands.... 😀
Excellent Analysis ❤
Thanks! Appreciate the feedback 😀😀
well said, I instantly fall in love with this watch and I'm going to get it this year :D
Good plan. Treat yourself 😀😀
Mike, do you have any opinions on the CW 65 dune automatic?
Yes. May actually make a video on it.
They remind me a lot of the BB36 models but I prefer the Dune models domed / box crystal which is a key differentiator for me. The darker ones are my favorites and come across more as field watches than the BB36 models. If I were to choose I'd go for black dial with leather strap for that field watch look.
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@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch Thank you for responding. I totally agree, that colour and that strap are a winning combo
Great review, balanced and objective. Now subscribed 😊
Glad you enjoyed it, and super happy you subscribed. THX! 😀😀
Awesome review!!
Thx. Glad you found it useful 😃😃
Who is this dude, why didnt i know this dude, this is an epic review
Most important thing is you've found me now!
Thanks for the praise on the video 😀😀😀😀
Do you shave your eyebrows?
My first troll! Thanks so much. I sort of feel I've arrived thanks to you. The more comments I get, the more it fuels the algorithm to spread my videos even further.
Keep em coming. It grows my viewer base
Thanks a ton for helping out 😀😀😀😀
And no. I don't shave my eyebrows. I'm just balding everywhere 😂😂😂
Great review
thanks a ton! Glad you liked it. 😀😀
Would love to have a non fumé dial on the titanium model with then sellita sw300. Not a particular fan of the color choices here
There are a couple that are not going to be broadly popular, that's for sure... 😀😀😀
Its competition here is Formex, Maurice lacroix, Titoni, Epos, some nice Nordic watches
Good examples. Personally I'm partial to some of the formex options. They have some game 👍
Impressive review and reviewer.
Thanks. Glad you find my content worth watching 😀😀
Nice watch…. But customer service is subpar and the company is not prepared for the demand.
I ordered the day of release on the first hour the blue titanium, wrote in the same hour to see if I could change for purple, never got an answer.
After the supposed delivery date I tried to search with my order and zip code and the order never appeared. Tried to contact them 3 times, never had an answer.
The I asked to cancel and instead of trying to contact me and make things right they cancelled the ordered without even responding my e-mail
Very sub par company service. A real pity.
Yikes. That sucks.
I've actually just put my own order down on this watch. I ended up convincing myself 😀
It'll be my first CW. Hopefully your experience is not indicative of their general customer service.
Thanks for sharing 👍👍👍
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch may I ask what version/color you went with? Myself, would love titanium version, but concerned about scratches, so thinking stainless. Love those blue colors, but concerned about wearing versatility, so thinking the white/silver dial.
Sigh, I want to like the flag logo, which is quite clever, but it still resembles a partially assembled puzzle.
Fantastic critique - well argued. Your review is better quality than Christopher Ward because it isn't as busy :D
He he! Thanks a ton for the feedback 😀😀
I think its a nice watch that is slowly growing on me. Only problem is I think the two flags logo is horrible. They should just use the Christopher Ward name.
Great show thanks! Just not for me, I find it too tacky which is mainly due to the dial, also dislike those but plug hands. Subscribed
Thanks a ton for the sub!
And yes - Always go with your own gut when it comes to watch choices 😀😀
6 month wait for mine :(
Waitlists are no longer just a rolex thing - but you'll get it eventually (unlike most rolexes for us mere mortals) 😀😀
people only use "for the money" when describing value at the lower end. lol i find it hilarious because if you apply "for the money" to Rolex, u would actually see the opposite effect. Diminishing returns get ridiculous at that point and you really are just ripping yourself off at the sake of brand name.
this is arguably far more intricate of a case design than every copy paste case from Rolex. Sure you aren't getting a hand finished, in-house movement but at least you can have a gander at it lmao
That's a really good point.
Rolex (and other brands) definitely operate in a price range where the markup in MSRP because of brand recognition + marketing budget can be exhorbitant and undercut the "for the price argument". That, and like you said, diminishing returns - I always think of speakers. Most people can hear the difference between a $200 set of speakers and a $2000 set. But most people are hard pressed to hear the difference at $20.000,- or $200.000.
Rolex is also a lot lazier in terms of visual innovation. It's refinement which all things equal is cheaper to do.
Having said that - At least Rolex for the most part holds it's value.
Great thoughts on your part and thanks for sharing 😀😀👍👍
Not wild about integrated bracelet watches, but the CW is a good-looking watch.
The case back on that A. Lange Sohne is beautiful.
A lange 1 or Zeitwerk would be my grail watch for the movement finishing alone....😀😀😁
You compare a Royal Oak with a Rolex sub?
😂😂😂
This time the comparison was more the Sub and RO vs the CW, but yes - I happily compare watches at vastly different price points if it illustrates a point or provides perspective.
Check out my video on the AP Code 11.59. I compare it to a Hamilton Khaki Navy. I'm kooky that way 😂😂😂
Thanks a ton for taking the time to comment. 👍
Its kinda "TooMach"...)
For some it will be 😂😂
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch ...in general, i guess!)
Twice as much as a PRX. Still not worth the premium over the Tissot.
I have both. Twelve takes a massive dump on a PRX in terms of finishing and modern looks. Like it's not even close.. It's a whole other category. Putting them in the same bracket is not fair.
@@cantbreakdance2849 Maybe your right,would have to feel them both in the flesh side by side. I have a PRX
And am happy for what it is and the price.
The PRX is also a very cool watch.
For me it's a bit like wines. Somebody will tell me a $300,- bottle is the best wine in the world, but there's something fun and engaging about finding that $20,- bottle that does 80-85% of what the expensive wine does at less than 10% of the price. The CW is finishing wise better than the PRX but they are both solid, dependable and good looking - The one you like from there is the one you like...
Thanks for sharing 😀😀
Looks like a cheap Czapek
Excellently spotted. 👍👍👍
This is among other things likely down to the fact that Adrian Buchmann who was head of design at CW for eight years is also one of the key designers behind the Czapek Antartique.
The studio behind the Czapek is a company called Fuzion based out of the UK. Adrian owns that studio (founded in 2018 while he was still at CW) and William Brackfield who was also at CW is now at fuzion as well.
So. Same guy(s) likely designed both watches 😀
@@Mike.thiswatchthatwatch very interesting thanks
No matter how good the watch is, I get turned off by micro brands named after a person, especially with an English name and no heritage. Unless it's a well respected independent watchmaker like FP Journe or Philippe Dufour, I really despise these brands. Dr Chris Ward is also the name of my general practitioner. Perhaps it may be a good idea to have my GP's phone number and my blood type inscribed on the caseback just in case I have a medical incident; actually hold that thought, it may be a good idea for a 'doctor's watch'. Other cringe worthy brands I wouldn't buy are Daniel Wellington and Dan Henry. I don't get why you would want someone's name on a mass produced homage watch. They are an embarrassment in my opinion. Roger Smith or George Daniels are the only English names I want to see on my dial.
Fair point! and lol...
Don't get me started on Daniel Wellington.. Was kind of hoping they were dead by now.. 😃
Great video
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it